1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: What I've heard consistently are the same teams. It's the Cubs, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: it's the Tigers, it's the Red Sox, the Blue Jays, 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: and the Astros. Those are the teams that have had 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: some level of interest. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: But the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: and Ken, let's start with the signing one year, five 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: million dollars for Yon Mancatta, who has not played much lately, 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: and goes from the White Sox to the Angels. We 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: might have Tim Anderson and Yon Mancatta as the starting 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: shortstop and third basement on opening day. Being that I 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: think Zach Netto is going to start the season late 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: for the Angels. I was shocked to see the signing, 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: but I want to get your thoughts. 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: The Angels know they can't count on Anthony Rendon to 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: play third base to be healthy. That hasn't worked out 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: for them, right, So Mancata gets a chance here to 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: really do some things. And what's interesting to me about this, guys, 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: is to see the White Sox players outside of the 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: White Sox environment. Now, obviously Tim Anderson had some problems 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: in his career and there was some stuff he has 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: referred to personal things going on okay, and he got hurt. 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: Mancatta has also had some injuries, but Mancatta elloy him 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: and is who's now with Tampa Bay. These guys maybe 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: got too comfortable there. I'm not saying that for sure, 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: but it's possible when you get a contract at a 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: young age and you're the only organization you've ever known, 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: that that can happen. So now their careers are at stake. 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Tim Anderson's is certainly at stake, Mancatta too, and Oloi. 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see how they do now where 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: there's a different kind of motivation. They're all extremely talented. 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, these guys were really well 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: thought of in the game, and it seems to me 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: that not all three of them lost it. We'll see 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: which ones can bounce back. 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: And all three of them were on the twenty twenty 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: one postseason White Sox, Like it's not that long ago 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: that this happened. Was there other interest in Mankata because 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: five million seems like a price tag that is indicative 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: to other interests. 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: There was other interest, and what was interesting about his 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: situation is that he was waiting for Bregman and that 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: indicates to me that he had interest from some of 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: the teams that are on Alex Bregman. Whether it's Detroit, Chicago, Cubs, Boston, 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Red Sox, Toronto, whoever those teams were. We know who 45 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: those teams are. Houston's another one, and I don't know 46 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: which teams specifically were after him, but he did have 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: that interest. And eventually, what I heard yesterday is that 48 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: he just got tired of waiting for Bregman, and he 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: wanted to make a decision and he wanted to get going, 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: and the Angels were there for him, and that's why 51 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: he chose them. 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take us in a different direction owners meetings 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: this week. You have a fresh column in The Athletic 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: this morning about the salary cap, and I'll just preface 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: my question with this. There's probably quite a few owners 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: or sons of owners who now kind of control the 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: team who either weren't really old enough to remember the 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four strike and missed games, or don't care. 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, but your thoughts on the salary cap 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: conversations going on down in Florida this week. 61 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: What prompted me to write this column, Scott, were some 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: public comments that have been made recently, how Steinbrenner was one, 63 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: David Stearns had some things to say, and David Rubinstein, 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: the Orioles owner. Now, in addition to those comments, I 65 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: have heard privately from ownership types people in the game 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: that this talk is just continuing, that the owners are 67 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: eagerly looking forward, not all of them, but some of 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: them to show down with the union over a salary 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: cap after the labor agreement expires December one, twenty twenty six. 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: And the point of the column was just to say, Okay, 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: you guys want this. Do you really want to go 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: back to where we were losing games and being in 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: the same situation the sport was in after the strike 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety four ninety five, The sport was in 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: a horrible place. Fans were ticked off and rightly so. 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: And it took first cal Ripken in ninety five with 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: the consecutive games record once play resumed, and then really 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: the McGuire social home run chase, which we now know 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: was tainted in ninety eight for the sport to really recover. Now, 80 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: some owners might believe and some fans might believe, it's 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: worth it to miss games, miss even a season to 82 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: get a salary cap. To me, that's insane. And there 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: is a reasonable discussion to be had about whether a 84 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: salary cap would be good. That's an intellectual exercise. I 85 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: have no problem with that discussion. The problem with that 86 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: discussion is that the union is so adamantly opposed to 87 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: a cap that what we're looking at. If the owners 88 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: try to impose it, as they've tried to impose it, 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: virtually every labor negotiation is a work stoppage. You're gonna 90 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: have a lockout. And again at a time when the 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: sport is finally entering a bit of a renaissance. Here 92 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: record revenues of twelve point one billion last year, twelve 93 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: point one billion. Don't tell me the sport is broken. 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Tell me how to fix the legitimate problem that exists 95 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: in revenue disparity between the large market and small market teams. 96 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: There are ways to do it without a cap. Some 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: of the owners don't want to think about it. They 98 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: just want the cap. It's the easiest solution for them, 99 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: and so be it. 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Some 137 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: fans are educated and realize that their team is not 138 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: carrying the weight, okay, And then here's the other side 139 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: where the smear campaign happens. This fan goes, I'm a 140 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: fan of a team that is way below my one 141 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five million dollars. Oh, because he wants 142 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: there to be a floor of one twenty five million, 143 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: a cap of like to low two hundreds he said, 144 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: my team has no shot. I have no interest in 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: attending their games and spending money. When the owner does 146 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: not spend money to improve, it's going to get good. 147 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 5: Watch. 148 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: In fact, to give you a hint, my team was 149 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: the worst team in baseball history last year and actually 150 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: cut payroll this year, and the ticket office has the 151 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: goal to continue to call me to buy tickets and closing, 152 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: honestly a hope a lockout after the twenty sixth season 153 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: because he wants this to get fixed. I'm reading this 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: thinking it's going to be one of these other teams, 155 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: and I'm like the Chicago White Sox. That's who this 156 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: this fan is is going for here and is shilling 157 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: for now. 158 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: The White Sox Scott don't have a revenue problem, or 159 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: at least they shouldn't. 160 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: They have an ownership problem. 161 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: And that is where this starts now for a number 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: of teams, and I kind of address this in the column, 163 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: a new ownership class would be welcome. And we're seeing 164 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: some different kinds of owners coming into the game, some 165 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: private equity types not necessarily going to be spending aggressively, 166 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: we don't know, but they have money, right So with 167 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox with other clubs. It is an 168 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: ownership problem. Now, I'm not dismissing and fans often get 169 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: confused when I write these things. I'm not dismissing the 170 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: problems that do exist. They're legitimate problems. Pittsburgh and Cleveland, 171 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: for example, cannot compete the way the New York Mets 172 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: and Los Angeles Dodgers can, or at least they cannot 173 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: spend the way those teams do. But there are other 174 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: low revenue teams Tampa Bay, Milwaukee. Cleveland is actually one 175 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: of them that compete very well despite the restriction that 176 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: they're under. So the answer to me is to help 177 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: those teams further. Now, you do that maybe through draft 178 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: and giving them more picks, better positions. You could do that. 179 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: You do that through different kinds of revenue sharing, and 180 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: specifically what I mentioned in the column would be making 181 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: the luxury tax penalties at the top even steeper because 182 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: those teams get fifty percent of the luxury tax proceeds, 183 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: or about fifty percent. And there are other things as well, 184 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: including a floor that should be considered. There are a 185 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: lot of levers to be pulled here without going to 186 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: the extreme of a salary cap. 187 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: That would only. 188 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: Lead to a workstoppage. So what I'm hoping is that 189 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: this is the typical saber rattling, the beating of the 190 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: drums that takes place before every CBA negotiation, and that 191 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: eventually cooler heads will prevail. But what concerns me is 192 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the talk, at least in my recollection, has started even 193 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: sooner this time, and the talk is even more vehement 194 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: among certain ownership types about getting this salary cap done. 195 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: And again, you want to take the sport down a 196 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: bad path, be my guest, go do it. It's not healthy. 197 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: It's not a good thing. 198 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: Is there. 199 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: We had Jim we had Jim Bowden on just the 200 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: other day and he talked about being in those owners 201 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: meetings when his when his owner was suspended for the year. 202 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: Is there a clear Is there a clear delineation between 203 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: this group of owners and that group of owners? 204 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Like? 205 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: Is it like? 206 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: Well, the teams that are in the smallest markets are 207 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: all on this side of salary cap argument and the 208 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: teams in the veggest are on the other side. 209 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: It's not that clear. And there are times, Eric where 210 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: there's some crossover. I guess you would call it. I 211 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: am quite confident saying there are certain large market teams 212 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: that would want a salary cap. Actually, all owners probably 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: would want a salary cap because it limits their spending, right, 214 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: kind of saves them from themselves, which is what the 215 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: owners have always asked the players to do for them, 216 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: save us for ourselves. So it's complicated, of course, and 217 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: the commissioner has an idea now about kind of bringing 218 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: the television packages, all the streaming packages under. 219 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: One umbrella, the league's umbrella. 220 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: And with that, if you had that, then perhaps you 221 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: could justify a cap to the larger market teams. It's complicated. 222 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how it worked. I don't know why 223 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: the large market teams would give up their competitive advantage 224 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: that way, but maybe to get a cap they would. 225 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: So I don't know where it's going. But it's not 226 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: always as clear as large market versus small market. And 227 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: in terms of if you polled all thirty owners about 228 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: whether they want a cap, I expect all thirty would 229 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: say yes. Now the question is how to get it 230 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: in place and whether it's actually practical. And my point 231 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: is in this particular argument, is that it's not practical 232 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: ken what. 233 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 4: Have you read it? 234 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: But I'm sure you don't have your own article pulled 235 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: up the last three sentences. I'm going to read it 236 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 3: for you, so hopefully it doesn't feel like litre cap 237 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: anibal by me reading your own writing here. But it's 238 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: you said in the last three sentences of your article. 239 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: It was tremendous. 240 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: Their sky is falling quote sky's falling act is already 241 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: growing tiresome. Fix the sport some other way, or sell 242 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: your damn team. That was just the best way to 243 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 3: finish the article. So I appreciate that. 244 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: Ken Well, thanks Eric, and again, these are complicated conversations 245 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: that have to take place because the economics of the 246 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: sport are complex. They're difficult because you have a sport 247 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: that has thirty franchises in which the primary revenue driver 248 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: is local revenue. It's not like the NFL, when you 249 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: have a national television contract and that is the primary revenue. Here, 250 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: it's local, and markets obviously are not equal in size. 251 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that the sport is a competitive problem 252 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: as much as it has a revenue disparity problem, and 253 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: I guess it's always going to have that. It's kind 254 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: of hard to get around. But again, a salary cap 255 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: you might think it's an answer, but it's an answer 256 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: that's going to bring the sport to a place where 257 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't want to be. And I remember the strike 258 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety four ninety five, and I remember how 259 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: ticked off fans were, and I remember how difficult it 260 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: was to kind of get back going again for the sport. 261 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: In terms of revenue and popularity, all of that. You 262 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: can make the argument that the sport has never fully recovered. 263 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would go that far. If 264 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: you have a stoppage in which part or all of 265 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: a season is lost in twenty twenty seven, it's going 266 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: to be a big problem for a sport that again, 267 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to repeat it, twelve point one billion in 268 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: revenue last season, and that was a. 269 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 6: Record, unbelievable. Talking about money, Pete a. Lonzo finally got 270 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 6: signed with the Mets. Now on until I think the 271 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 6: biggest name that's still out there, Alex Bregman. There's been 272 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 6: talks to him, made me going back to Houston. What 273 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 6: is the latest you've heard on and we'll be hearing 274 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 6: a shining here pretty soon. 275 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: Todd. The answer to that question, actually both questions, is 276 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: I don't know now I can tell you what I've heard. 277 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: What I've heard consistently are the same teams. It's the Cubs, 278 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: it's the Tigers, it's the Red Sox, the Blue Jays, 279 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: and the Astros. Those are the teams that have had 280 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: some level of interest. Now let's go one by one. 281 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: The Astros have their offer out there. It was six years, 282 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: one fifty six. It is reported that they went up 283 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: a little bit and it still wasn't good enough. Okay, 284 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: that's one team. The Cubs, I don't believe they have 285 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: the willingness or the financial flexibility from their owner to 286 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: go six years. Tigers, I don't believe they want to 287 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: go six years because they're sitting on hobby buyers' contract 288 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: and it's an albatross, and that is informing their thinking. 289 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Maybe not the right way, but it is. On Bregmann. 290 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: The Red Sox, they need a right handed bat. They 291 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: needed a right handed bat since last year. And I 292 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: do not know, and I cannot figure out, other than 293 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: financial restrictions, why they have not been more aggressive on 294 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: that front. They could use Bregman, The Tigers could use Megman. 295 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: The Cubs could use Bregman. The Blue Jays, of course, 296 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: could use him as well, and maybe they're a team 297 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: that would go six years, and maybe like Alonzo, like 298 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: Soto and like others, he just is not willing to 299 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: go there. But the question now for me is does 300 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: Bregman end up somewhat like Alonso shorter deal with opt 301 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: outs what Scott boris the agent calls a bridge contract 302 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: that has worked for some and not for others. Or 303 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: does Bregman ultimately get the six year offers that we 304 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: keep hearing about six or seven years. That's where going 305 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: That's where this is going to turn or hinge. Now, 306 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: when he gets a six year offerings reported, that means 307 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: nothing to me. It could be six years sixty million. 308 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: That's not something he's taking. Now, I'm not saying it is. 309 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: But my point is even if he has six years, 310 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the right dollars, it doesn't matter. 311 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: So again, that to me is the real question here. 312 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: Does Bregman end up with the length of deal that 313 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: he wants or does he end up with one of 314 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: these shorter bridge contracts with the early opt outs and 315 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: the ability to go back into the market. 316 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: Again, all right, we just followed all the crumbs around 317 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: in a circle for Bregman. 318 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: Does all this lead to. 319 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: Something with Aeronado, and all Aeronado is still sitting there 320 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, because now you're here possibly these teams. 321 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: Does it lead to something like almost immediately afterwards. 322 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't know about immediately, Eric, 323 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: but certainly these two players are linked and Arnado needs 324 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: Bregman to pick a spot. If Regman goes to say Detroit, well, 325 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: then Boston is open for Arnado if Boston is interested, 326 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's not exactly clear how interested they are, and 327 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: of course this will be a negotiation with the Cardinals 328 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: about how much money they would be picking up, and 329 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: it would be a negotiation with Arnado, who has a 330 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: no trade clause. Boston is a team where he would 331 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: like to play. I would expect that if the Yankees 332 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: got involved, he'd be willing to play for the Yankees. 333 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: And of course they have a question now of who 334 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: is going to be in their infield with Jash Chisholm, 335 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: either a third or second. There are probably other teams 336 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: he would go to at this point because he does 337 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: want out. But the question then becomes, okay, those teams 338 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: viable and would he really in the end say yes, 339 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: so yes, Bregman's situation does have an effect on Arnado's, 340 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: and I believe, I expect that Bregman will need to 341 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: be resolved first in one way or another, before Arnado 342 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: can be resolved. Now it's possible, I guess, thinking out 343 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: loud here, that if Boston eventually signals to Arnada, listen, 344 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: we're not doing Bragman, let's go, then Arnauda could go first. 345 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: But we're sitting here with this giant staring match between 346 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: the teams and Bregman, Cardinals and Arnado and all these 347 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: things going on. And right now it's February seventh, the 348 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: first camps are opening this weekend, and these two guys 349 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: are still out there. 350 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: It is eggs okay, let's finish with this criminal case 351 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: comes to an end. Epey Sho Aotani's interpreter receives a 352 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: good chunk of time in prison. He asked for eighteen months, 353 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: he ends up getting fifty seven months. Just final thoughts, really, 354 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: because I don't think we're going to be bringing up 355 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: this case too much more After this well. 356 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: I continue to hear from people, mostly on social media, 357 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: but even friends of mine who say I don't get it, man, 358 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: there's no way show Hey couldn't have known something's fishy. 359 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: And listen from the outside. Absolutely this is a weird deal, 360 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: and yeah, something was fishy. However, do we have proof 361 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: of any of it. No, And if you're saying to me, 362 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: Ipe just took the fall for show Hey, they're taking 363 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: care of him. Really, it's gonna spend almost five years 364 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: in jail, or at least that's what his sentence is 365 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: going to be. We have a government report that was 366 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: pretty airtight about Ipe's activities. We have no evidence, none, 367 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: literally none, that anything untoward has taken place. So when 368 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: you tell me Ken, you guys aren't doing a good 369 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: job reporting something happened here, I get it. That's fine, 370 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: but show me the evidence. Show me anywhere where there's 371 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: been evidence that this is anything about Ibe stealing from 372 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: Show Hey. And believe me, reporters including myself, were really 373 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: checking into this and trying to do our best to 374 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: figure out what went on here, to figure out if 375 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: anything was truly linked. 376 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 5: To Show Hey. 377 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: And obviously we never have found anything. Maybe in time 378 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: somebody will. But you've got the government report, you've got 379 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: the sentence, you've got the audio, tape of Iba talking 380 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: to the bank impersonating Show Hey. Maybe it's time for 381 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: us to just accept that this guy stole from Show Hey, 382 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: and that's how it went down and Show Hey and 383 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: I wrote about this last July. He is oblivious. He 384 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: is baseball only and he is the kind of person, 385 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: maybe the only kind of person for whom this could 386 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: have happened to without him knowing. 387 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if everyone thinks they were in on 388 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: something together. Ibe was even taking shots at Otani in 389 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: his letter to the judge, and the judge said yesterday 390 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: how it was a really rude and misled letter. So 391 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, they really played it up all the 392 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: way to him getting his prison sentence and that kind 393 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: of affecting things. I'm like, I love me a good 394 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: conspiracy theory in baseball can, but this one just it 395 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: doesn't add up to get it again. 396 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: And I'm inviting anyone out there they've got the evidence, 397 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: you know where to find me. I'm easily accessible. Bring 398 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: it to me and I'll go look at it. 399 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: You. 400 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I have not gotten any communications along those lines, and 401 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: when we checked, we got nothing. 402 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 5: You're not in Jersey anymore, Ken, I can't help you. 403 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: Out, Buddy, my heart still todd. 404 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 5: All right, that's all that matters. That's it. 405 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: And hey, Ken's done some good investigative reporting in the past, 406 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: so you can look back. There's plenty of stories. But Kent, 407 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: thank you for the time. Good to see you. We'll 408 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: catch it on Monday on Fair Territory. Thanks guys, thank you. 409 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal with the inside scoop. And 410 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: that includes many topics that we didn't get to today 411 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: on purpose with Ken because he covered them yesterday on 412 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: his own live show called Fair Territory. And a lot 413 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: is out. So it was Tricia Whittaker who knows all 414 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: about the rays. They locked in on the rays for 415 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: at least five to ten minutes of the show, among 416 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 2: many other questions. So go check it out wherever you 417 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: get shows, pods, the whole deal in the Weeds. Two 418 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: articles to break down same topic, and there were many 419 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: others written about this this week. It just all kind 420 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: of fit in salary. Cap was a big conversation in baseball. 421 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: Parody was a big conversation in sports. And the NFL 422 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: has the end of their season coming up this weekend, 423 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: so you know, Cyrus, Jason Stark and others wrote about 424 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: the situation between the NFL and MLB. As far as 425 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: parody goes, I'll take a few notes from Jason Stark. First, 426 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: his article's fresher. He said the Chiefs might do four 427 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: Super Bowl titles in a six season span. The Dodgers 428 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: have won four titles in fifty nine years. He's talking 429 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: about like the best teams, and the only team he 430 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: kind of left out was the Yankees, and they really 431 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: haven't had their dynasty rolling into the twenty first century. 432 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: He's like, the Braves have won four titles in the 433 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: last one hundred and twenty one years, Red Sox four 434 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: titles last one oh six years, Giants four titles last 435 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: ninety one years, combined the Phillies and the Astros, big 436 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: markets one hundred eighty five seasons of existence, combined four titles. 437 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: So there are a ton of numbers. I can go 438 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: on and on that NFL in eighteen possible slots in 439 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: the last nine years for Super Bowls has just eight 440 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: teams making it to the Super Bowl. MLB's number twelve. Basically, 441 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: he was writing about the NFL have and four quarterbacks 442 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 2: that just dictate everything for the past quarter century. It's Mahomes, 443 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: Brady Manning, and you could add Ben Roethlisberger there if 444 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: you want to just even more sweeten the pot. Okay, 445 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 2: even payroll wise, and we'll get your thoughts and I'll 446 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: mix in Ninosyrus later on. Who went beyond like the 447 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: championship level and looked more at who's making the playoffs. 448 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: But one more note here, looking at top five payrolls. 449 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: We just had that with the Yankees and Dodgers. Also, 450 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: it was pretty good for business, and it doesn't happen 451 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 2: that often. In the last thirty five World series that 452 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: we've seen, we have had two out of the top 453 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: five payrolls matchup. Let's see in twenty eighteen with the 454 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 2: Dodgers in Red Sox. Obviously we just had it. We 455 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: had nineteen ninety nine with the Yankees and Braves, nineteen 456 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: ninety six with the Yankees and Braves. 457 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: That's it. 458 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: So let's start there, because I do want to get 459 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: into the parody discussion because there are a lot of 460 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: fans who think that they have the solution right now, 461 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: do you think they have the solution? Todd Father? 462 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 4: If we yet? 463 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: I know we've been hard on this topic. But even 464 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: let's take the salary cap out of it. Do we 465 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: really have a parody problem in Major League Baseball? Or 466 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: is it like five to seven teams that just have 467 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: crap owners that can't figure their shit out? 468 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 6: Thank you that that's it, thank you, that's one hundred percent. 469 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 6: You know, I've I've beaten on this horse and so 470 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 6: many times. All these owners they have money, and they 471 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 6: complain in small market. I don't I don't want to 472 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 6: hear it. I am sick of hearing that they have 473 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 6: opportunities to get guys. Teams had an opportunity to get 474 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 6: Pete A. Lonzo, one of the top twenty hitters in 475 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 6: the league, one of the top three power hitters, as 476 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 6: Cratzy said, this guy that could have got him for 477 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 6: so much, for so less money than what they expected. 478 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 6: Other teams are gonna get, they just don't go out 479 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 6: there and get it because they wontn't feel sorry for themselves. 480 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 5: I can't stand it. So it's just it's. 481 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 6: Hard to hear, uh, these these small market teams complaining 482 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 6: that they can't go out there and buy a bit 483 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 6: name guy. 484 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 5: They can and they should. The are billionaires that can 485 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 5: do it. 486 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 6: They just want to sit back and not say, oh, well, 487 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 6: we don't have a chance that this guy you do, 488 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 6: every team does. 489 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 3: I think part of this too is if you look 490 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: at it from a player's standpoint, players have for years 491 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: constantly asked for competitiveness, asked for a league that essentially 492 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: is a monopoly. And so when you have a monopolistic 493 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 3: sport where there's no other leagues competing against Major League Baseball, 494 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 3: you have to make sure everybody is competitive. You don't 495 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: have to make sure everybody has the same amount of money, 496 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: you have to make sure they are being competitive and 497 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: not pocketing the extra cash. So to me, you need 498 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: to ask yourself as a fan, is my team doing 499 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: the best that they can to put the best team 500 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: out there, whether that's draft picks, whether that's trades, Which 501 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 3: is the part that I think is super important. Like, 502 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: teams have the opportunity to go out and make these trades, 503 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: but most of the time, the teams that don't, the 504 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: ownerships that don't, they're afraid. They're afraid of losing their jobs. 505 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 3: Owners are afraid of maybe breaking even maybe even losing 506 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: some money in the situation, which would never happen in 507 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: another business. You wouldn't make a move to lose money 508 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: in a business unless that move could make you three 509 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 3: x later on. But they're just fine pocketing the money. 510 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: They're fine keeping as front offices GMS. I'm not going 511 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: to trade anybody these guys because I'm fine working another 512 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: five years at this job that pays me a lot 513 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: of money. I'm fine just where I'm at. Instead of 514 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: how a player thinks, how wit Maryfield just thought when 515 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 3: he was talking, I'm given everything. I have to make 516 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: sure I'm out of that field to be the last 517 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: team standing at the end of every year. And I 518 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 3: think if we can focus and go on that light 519 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: and not the well. 520 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 4: I don't have as much as everybody. 521 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 3: Else, then you would have more parody because everybody would compete, 522 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 3: or you would have more teams pushing all in and 523 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 3: the product would improve together as a group. 524 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the revenue sharing is not landing in a place 525 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: where it's then being reinvested, all of it being reinvested. 526 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: That's the biggest problem in the game right now. I 527 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: promise you that there's plenty of penalties, there's qualifying offers. 528 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: The Dodgers haven't had a top ten pick in the 529 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: draft in nineteen years. They haven't even had a top 530 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: twenty pick in the last twelve years. They're also just 531 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: run really well. They've got a top ten even if 532 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: you take Roki Sasaki out right now, Baseball America had 533 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: them top ten with farm system, Like everything is being 534 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: pushed against them to not have a great farm system, 535 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: and they're still thriving. Just like we see in the NFL. 536 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: In the NBA, some organizations are just run better than others, 537 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: and that's going to be the case no matter what. 538 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: My fears will have more super teams if you start 539 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: to cap contracts and limit players, because they're gonna be like, well, 540 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 2: i could get the same amount here or here, I'm 541 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: going to go to LA or New York, and then 542 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna also make more money on marketing. So if 543 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: it's going to be that close, I'd rather just form 544 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: even more of a super team. We're getting a little 545 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: bit of that right now with the Dodgers this offseason. 546 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: I think it could get way worse. I truly believe 547 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: in that. Let's look at the last decade. How many 548 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: teams have missed the playoffs in the last decade of 549 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 2: the thirty organizations. Is there any fan base that has 550 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: not seen playoff baseball in the last ten years. 551 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: In last ten no, I don't think so. 552 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: Every single organization has had playoff baseball in the last 553 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: ten years. MLB has the smallest playoff field. People were 554 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: complaining when they expanded it, but that gives teams more 555 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: of a chance. I believed in that because I think 556 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: there were some teams that pick up the pace in 557 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: the second half of the season and deserved to get 558 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: a final wildcard spot. 559 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 5: Right. 560 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: We just saw it like the Mets made a kind 561 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: of a late surge after a super slow start, Right, 562 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: didn't they have the last wildcard spot this time around? 563 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: I think wildcards helped, which never was right, but I 564 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: mean even the Padres were a wildcard team this time around. 565 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: I love the wildcard So fell in the NHL did 566 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: not have every team in their league make the playoffs 567 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: in the last ten years. How about back to back champs? 568 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: We haven't had one still. It's been a quarter century 569 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: in Major League. 570 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: Twenty four years. 571 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, sixteen out of thirty MLB teams have won the 572 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: World Series in the two thousands, more than half the league. 573 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: How many teams you want to know? 574 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: The rest? 575 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I was just gonna say, 576 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 3: how many number one seeds in the NFL are eliminated 577 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: in the first round. The other year we had all 578 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: the number one seeds gone. Now we have to try 579 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: to change the rules so the number one seed from 580 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: the regular season gets an opportunity to move on to 581 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: the next round. That doesn't happen in other sports, never happens. 582 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 4: It's a good call. 583 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: NBA two thousands, how many teams have won a title? Eleven, 584 00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: NFL thirteen, NHL thirteen, MLB sixteen. So the NBA has 585 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: seen a team win six titles since two thousand. That's 586 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: the Lakers. Three others have won at least three in 587 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: that time period. In MLB, you've got six multi World 588 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: Series winners in the two thousands. It's Boston with four, 589 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: the Giants with three, Theo's the only teams that have 590 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: won more than two during that time period. NHL has 591 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: had six teams in that conversation win multiple titles, and 592 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: those six teams, the Devil's Red Wings, Penguins, Lightning, Blackhawks, 593 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: and Kings account for fifteen of the last twenty four 594 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Stanley Cup champs. The Chiefs have won three of the 595 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: last five Super Bowls and they have a chance to 596 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: win another right now. Obviously the Patriots were a powerhouse. 597 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: I'm just missing the parody conversation, and I just keep wondering, 598 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: are we picking on the same five teams that are 599 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: making everything look bad here? Where you're going to point 600 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: to your team and say, I don't feel like my 601 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: team has a chance. And it's the same teams with 602 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: the same five owners that are kind of screwing over 603 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: their fans. So which side of the pendulum is the problem? 604 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: Like to me, Todd Father, the NLS is a great 605 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: example of, Yes, a dominant Dodgers team that has really 606 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: put together a strong ball club and they spend well, 607 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: like the Diamondbacks were in the World Series two years ago. 608 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: The Padres were went away from taking down the Dodgers 609 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: and I think then winning a World Series championship. The 610 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: Padres and the Diamondbacks are model franchises right now in 611 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: terms of how they run themselves and make competitive ball clubs. 612 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks just picked up Corbyn Burns this offseason, which 613 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: might be the best movie of the offseason. I just 614 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 2: don't know what I'm missing here. If the Dodgers won 615 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: five titles in a row, I'd be like, yeah, maybe 616 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: we have a problem, but the NFL has a problem. 617 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm bored for Sunday. I'm going to watch, but I'm 618 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: bored for Sunday. I'm sick of watching the Chiefs. I 619 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: don't want to watch them again. I want to watch 620 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: some other flavor. I don't want the same ice cream 621 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: every freaking Sunday once a year. 622 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 6: You know, Hey, I get it, and I get it totally. 623 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 6: This is why baseball is probably. 624 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: Cookies and cream. He's waiting for his ice cream flavors. 625 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 5: No, he's not getting into Hey. 626 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 6: All I know is, listen, you can be a really 627 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 6: bad team in baseball and you could still beat a 628 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 6: really really good team like the Dodgers. And that's why 629 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 6: baseball is a tough sport. You gotta come to play 630 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 6: every single day. It's a rarity to see that upset 631 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 6: in football. You know, same with basketball for the most part. Man, 632 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 6: But baseball, you gotta hit the win and you gotta 633 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 6: gotta play defense and all this kind of jazz. I'm 634 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 6: rambling because I'm just waiting for Cratzy to talk. 635 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: Let's go, what do you got? What do you got 636 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: for uskrats? What's your complaint. 637 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 3: I could eat vanilla ice cream every single day and 638 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 3: I would not complain and go Birds. 639 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: That's it. That's it. 640 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: This Sunday is It's not a boring day. It's gonna 641 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: be a great day. The Birds are gonna win. And 642 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 3: as soon as the super Bowl's over, that means baseball 643 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: season starting. 644 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 4: Let's go. Boy. 645 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 5: That's right. 646 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: But tell me, if you're a fan of a team 647 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: in the past decade, who is the fan that should 648 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: be really angry? Like I start going through the list, 649 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: and there's not that many, Like even right now. You're 650 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: a White Sox fan. Your team was good not that 651 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: long ago. You're in the biggest market in the al Central. 652 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: I was making fun of a fan dur and Ken 653 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: segment because he starts writing about how everyone should feel 654 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: sorry for him and he wants baseball to miss games. 655 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait, wait, you're a fan of the 656 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: White Sox. You have the worst record in baseball last year, 657 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: and you guys didn't spend and you're saying when when 658 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: it's not fair. You're in the Ale Central. You guys 659 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: should be leading in peril. We should be complaining about 660 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: you and your team. If anything. That's where I'm just 661 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: missing the boat. I'd love to have more conversations about 662 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 2: this guys with fans and understand where they're at. But 663 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: often when I have a conversation, it's with the same 664 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: few fans and they're on the same page with me 665 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: and that it's a Pittsburgh fan and they're like, we 666 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: only had one run. You know, since I've been paying 667 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: attention to sports, and it was what thirteen to fifteen, 668 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen to fifteen, And I'm like, Okay, there's a 669 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: different situation going on there, right Let's let's lock in 670 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: on what's going on with your specific team. To me, 671 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: that's different. Most fan bases don't have a case for this. 672 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: Right now. We're talking about maybe five teams that have 673 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: ownership issues. The rest of Baseball's fine. Had the Royals 674 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: get to keep their Patrick Mahomes. 675 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 4: Yet one million dollars. 676 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: Bobby Witt Junior is essentially a Royal for life, Julia 677 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: Rodriguez is a Mariner for life, and go down the line. 678 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: You can keep those guys. Also, if you're shrewd and 679 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 2: you're smart, you offer those contracts earlier in their careers. 680 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: Mookie Betts should have been a Red Sox for life. 681 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 2: He's in a big market. They messed up. They kept 682 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: undercutting their offer. He gone, all right, let's get Dodgers. 683 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 5: Will not lose another game, Go ahead. 684 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: Exactly, can't wait. I don't know why we were playing 685 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: the season We joked, but I just I don't know. 686 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: I think the parody is more of an issue in 687 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: other sports, and all the data backs it up.