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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Monday edition of the Daily Juice podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Matt barolt here Off of Bettingpros dot com.

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Speaker 1: We've had a phenomenal start to the Daily Juice. If

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Speaker 1: So good stuff there, really simple, really easy. But Monday

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Speaker 1: is a unique day for us. So Monday's we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to somebody in the sports gambling world that

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Speaker 1: can help us become better sports gamblers. Experts, bookmakers, handicappers,

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Speaker 1: people who've been in the game for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to them about their process, how

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Speaker 1: they get together, how do they find things to bet on,

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Speaker 1: and how do they approach to sports gambling in general,

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Speaker 1: and try to talk about different things that they're experts in.

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Speaker 1: So for our first ever guest, we're gonna have Nick Koalakis,

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Speaker 1: who now works for Circus Sports as a risk supervisor,

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Speaker 1: but has been a professional sports gambler in the mixed

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Speaker 1: martial arts UFC world for a very long time. He

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Speaker 1: also does a show on UFC Fight Pass talking about

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Speaker 1: the sports gambling opportunities that are available on pay per

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Speaker 1: view cards for the UFC. So he is a tremendous guy.

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Speaker 1: I think, for my money, he's the best handicapper in

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Speaker 1: mixed martial arts in the world, in the country, and

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Speaker 1: to have him as our first guest here on the

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Speaker 1: Daily Juice, I'm really fired up about it. I will

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Speaker 1: give you a quick little caveat, however, because the recording

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Speaker 1: of this interview it sounds fine. It just doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: as good as I wanted it to. I'm sure if

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Speaker 1: you're a longtime listener for podcasts, you're gonna say, oh,

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Speaker 1: it sounds fine. But I'm a stickler. I'm a radio guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm an audio guy. I like the audio to be perfect,

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Speaker 1: and it's unfortunately not because I had a setting set wrong,

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Speaker 1: which is just a normal stupid thing. I'm so I

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Speaker 1: apologize for that. But if you can bear with me

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Speaker 1: just in this first one, all these interviews won't always

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Speaker 1: sound like this, but normally the interviews will sound better

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Speaker 1: than it did. I'm a little bit angry at this

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Speaker 1: because the interview is tremendous. Nick Kolakis gave us some

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Speaker 1: just amazing stuff. After we talk to Nick, I will

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Speaker 1: give you my play. I've got a pick for a

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Speaker 1: future wager from Major League Baseball that we'll get into.

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Speaker 1: That really is nothing going on. There's a Premier League

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Speaker 1: game if you like to bet on soccer, but Monday

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Speaker 1: there just is not much. I mean, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a much busier end of the month of July when

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Speaker 1: basketball and baseball and hockey start back up again. So

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Speaker 1: this is one of the final Mondays where there's just

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Speaker 1: not gonna be a whole lot going on here. So

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Speaker 1: this is one reason why we started the long form

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Speaker 1: edition of the podcast here on Mondays, because there's just

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Speaker 1: not a ton of stuff to get into on Mondays

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Speaker 1: coming out of the weekend until we get going with Well,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday we've got a UFC card, and Wednesday we've got

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Speaker 1: some NASCAR to talk about, and then we've got the

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Speaker 1: Memorial starting on Thursday, Tiger Woods playing in his first

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Speaker 1: event post COVID, So there's gonna be a ton of interest.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a ton of plays going on on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the interview. I will give you my

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Speaker 1: record so far. We're gonna talk about winning weeks and

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Speaker 1: losing weeks. We're not gonna do individual types of situations.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to break down every bet I made.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you whether we had a winning

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Speaker 1: week or a losing week. We've gotten off to a

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Speaker 1: great start, so I can tell you right now it's

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Speaker 1: a winning week to start for week number one of

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Speaker 1: the Daily Juice. But it's a you know, three sixty

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Speaker 1: five podcast. Every day, this thing will drop. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take it from a you know, snapshot a week,

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Speaker 1: you know, Sunday to Saturday, how did we do? And

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Speaker 1: we'll go through everything. Really, I guess I'll go Monday

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Speaker 1: to Sunday. Guess that's a better way of doing it.

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Speaker 1: We'll go Monday to Sunday and get you where we

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Speaker 1: where we are and hopefully where we're going to go again.

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Speaker 1: Here for a week, winning weeks fifty three percent, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're after every week. That's our goal. But first,

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Speaker 1: Nick Kalayks from Circus Sports had a chance stuck to

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Speaker 1: him about what's happening, what happened at UFC two fifty one,

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Speaker 1: on the Daily Juice. All right, joining us for the

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Speaker 1: first time here on the Daily Juice podcast. As I

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Speaker 1: told you guys, every Monday, we're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: And Nick Khalakas is a guy who is, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: for my money, the best in the business when it

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Speaker 1: comes to handicapping UFC and mixed martial arts. He's a

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Speaker 1: guy that you'll see on the UFC Fight Pass They're

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Speaker 1: gambling show, and now a risk supervisor at my favorite

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Speaker 1: sports book in Las Vegas that is Circus Sports. He

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Speaker 1: is Nick Kalakas. He joins us here on the Daily Juice.

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Speaker 1: Nick Matt Parrel, how are you.

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Speaker 2: Doing good man? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: On, Thank you for coming on. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: actually have never asked you these questions because we've just

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Speaker 1: where we are with different cards. But you know, how

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Speaker 1: long have you been how long have you been doing this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how long have you been doing handicapping and

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Speaker 2: Really, it's been a while. It's a bit about what

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Speaker 2: like seventeen years or so. With that Brown, the end

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Speaker 2: So it's been about seventeen years or so.

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Speaker 1: How has the industry changed? How have you seen the

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Speaker 1: game change since when you first started to where it

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Speaker 2: Oh, man, I mean drastic. At the beginning, it was

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Speaker 2: sportsbook managers saying, why are we even offering this junk?

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Speaker 2: It's like WWE fake wrestling. I mean, it's all fixed.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning, it was. It was brutal. Really, there

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Speaker 2: UFC has done amazing, I mean the Ultimate Fighter, thank

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Speaker 2: Eventually we hit the forums. I mean, even the Internet

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Speaker 2: come a long way right now. What we're seeing in

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all the books have been through this pandemic

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Speaker 1: When was there a moment where you saw the limits

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Speaker 2: So that's when the limits really started spiking up to

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Speaker 2: great things, you know, lover hater, whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 2: She brought a lot of new fans and popularity to

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Speaker 2: have made it easier for people to kind of get

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Speaker 1: We saw a card last night with UFC two fifty

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Speaker 1: one where we had three belts on the line, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you can talk about the main event. We'll

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Speaker 1: as to what the public did with Horay Masvidal, But

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Speaker 1: you know, UFC versus boxing has been a big, big argument,

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Speaker 1: also in the sports betting world as to which is

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Speaker 1: bet on, Which is a better use of your time

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Speaker 1: to go in there and handicap. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek Stevens is an incredible job, And you guys

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Speaker 2: I think you could do a lot of research. I

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Speaker 1: It's great, Okay. So Nick, one of my philosophies in

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a very very solid opponent. He's very dangerous,

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00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,639
Speaker 2: and so you cannot go crazy, you know, betting against

432
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,760
Speaker 2: the guy like Masvedl. It's it's kind of formula for

433
00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,040
Speaker 2: destruction really in most cases. But obviously styles big fights

434
00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,800
Speaker 2: and with the popularity impact. I mean, he's just risen

435
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,400
Speaker 2: so much these last couple of years, with his wins

436
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,800
Speaker 2: over Askron, with this wins over Diaz. I mean, so

437
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,400
Speaker 2: that really got him in the public eye, and that's

438
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,359
Speaker 2: what caused I think a lot of this action. People

439
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,479
Speaker 2: know how legitim a fighter he is, and he really is.

440
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,480
Speaker 2: But I think the other side of it is when

441
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,560
Speaker 2: you have kind of an unknown fighter like Usman. And

442
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,000
Speaker 2: I know that's crazy to say it because he's a

443
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,879
Speaker 2: UFC champion for crying out lout right, but I mean

444
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that told me they're not

445
00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 2: even sure who Usman was coming into this fight, you know.

446
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 2: I mean they were like, I never even heard of

447
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,239
Speaker 2: the guy. I mean, that tells you something, right, I Mean,

448
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 2: he's a UFC champion and he's still he's kind of

449
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 2: I guess not out there. You know as far as

450
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,240
Speaker 2: like talking a lot of smack, He's not the personality

451
00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 2: that you're going to see, you know, being a little

452
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,480
Speaker 2: bit over cocky or you know, over confident or just

453
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,439
Speaker 2: running his mouth. He's trying to get himself out there

454
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,480
Speaker 2: a little bit more, for sure, but he's just kind

455
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 2: of one of those kind of low key guys than

456
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 2: just does the work and puts the work in and

457
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 2: he's great at what he does. Obviously this went over Mosvidal.

458
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,639
Speaker 2: It's just tremendous and it's gonna obviously boost him to

459
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 2: the next level. But yeah, spots like this where you

460
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,200
Speaker 2: have sometimes like a champion or the favorite fighter that's

461
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 2: not really in the public eye is phenomenal. Man. I mean,

462
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 2: like I said, it's always a risk, but we had

463
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 2: a really good feeling that Usmann was gonna win, and

464
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,679
Speaker 2: we went on that side. I mean we kind of

465
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,919
Speaker 2: you know, we have to move the action accordingly, right,

466
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 2: so you don't want to get totally crushed, and you know,

467
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 2: and just in case anything happens. It's a fight, it's

468
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 2: a sport that I mean, you can actually hurt yourself.

469
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, not too long ago we saw josh Emmont

470
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: step in there and he won his fight against Shane Burgos,

471
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 2: but he actually tweaked his knee in the first round

472
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 2: and it looked like he might have been in some

473
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: serious trouble there. So I mean there's even self inflicting

474
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 2: injuries that can happen in the octan, so you never know,

475
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: so you have to definitely respect the market and kind

476
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 2: of go with the flow and try to get some

477
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 2: action back where you need at times. But make no mistake,

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, we were pretty heavy on Masvedol and we

479
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: liked that position, so it worked out really well. And

480
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think fading the public and

481
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 2: circumstances like this is almost always a smart thing to do.

482
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Speaker 1: How big of a decision was it for you guys?

483
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Speaker 1: I mean I saw an offshore book say that if

484
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Speaker 1: Masvedel had won, it would be their single biggest loss

485
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: in their business history on any UFC events. But I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: how lopscited were you and how big of a how

487
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Speaker 1: big of a night did you guys have on Saturday night?

488
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I'm allowed to kind of

489
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 2: talk with details as specific Petro dot So I don't

490
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 2: want to give myself in trouble, but Yeah, it would

491
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: have definitely been one of the worst. I mean, obviously

492
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Speaker 2: since I was there, it would have been the worst

493
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: loss by far if Mosvedl would have come through, and

494
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 2: I would have felt horrible, you know. I mean, that

495
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: would have been definitely horrific because I feel responsible for

496
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 2: a lot of that. But that said, thankfully worked out

497
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: and it was definitely one of our biggest wins that

498
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Speaker 2: we've had, at least since I've been there. I mean

499
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Speaker 2: I've only been there about a month or so, so

500
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's probably it was, you know,

501
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest wins they've had in this individual

502
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Speaker 2: UFC fight since the company started. I would think, you know,

503
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Speaker 2: Circus Sports has been around for a little bit over

504
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: a year now, so I would assume. Again, don't you know,

505
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 2: quote me on this, but I think it's definitely one

506
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,959
Speaker 2: of the biggest you know, profits that they've made from

507
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Speaker 2: an individual fight in the history of Circus Sports, I believe.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you always got to be careful, I think for

509
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 1: folks who are listening and learning about UFC fights. I mean,

510
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: somebody said to me, I saw it on Twitter last night.

511
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: Somebody was like, you know, Uzman is so boring to watch,

512
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 1: and he just isn't entertaining. He needs to do more

513
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: if he wants to keep the casual fan interested. And

514
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of go the other way on that,

515
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: and I kind of say, if you educate yourself and

516
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: understand what's happening in the octagon. I mean I really

517
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Speaker 1: five years ago when I moved to Vegas, that's when

518
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: things really changed stream when it came to UFC fights

519
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: and watching it and learning it and you know, talking

520
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: to different people, and you know, I've had the opportunity

521
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: to talk to Megan Olivia Ton both on and off

522
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: the air, and talk to different people who have been

523
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Speaker 1: involved in the fight game for a long time because

524
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: we're the you know, we're the UFC capital, the MMA

525
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: capital of the world really here in Las Vegas. But

526
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, it does take time and it does take

527
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: a lot of research to kind of figure out what's happening.

528
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: But if that's the case, you're not going to be

529
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Speaker 1: bored by Usmann fight because you know what he's going

530
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: to do. You understand what his wrestling technique is, and

531
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: you understand how you know, he's a Division two champion

532
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: at Nebraska Carney and a guy who understands what he

533
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: has to do to be a guy like masved Also,

534
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: that fight went pretty much exactly how I thought. The

535
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Speaker 1: only way only I got wrong all night was I

536
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: thought that Uzman would tire Masvedel out to the point

537
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: where in the fourth round he'd be so tired that

538
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: the fight would end. It almost happened, but Masveel was

539
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: able to get the thing to the cards. And speaking

540
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: of going to the cards, how do you feel about

541
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: judging in the UFC and when it comes to betting,

542
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: how difficult is that when judges tend to sometimes not always,

543
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: but sometimes go the other way that people think of

544
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: fight You should.

545
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: Have gone, oh man, it's awful. I mean, Dana White

546
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: kind of addressed it again last night, you know, during

547
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: his postfight press conference or whatnot. I believe it's been

548
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: like that though. I mean a lot of people are

549
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: going to come in and complain, you know, and a

550
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: lot of the newer fans are like, I can't believe

551
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: these decisions. It's been like that for so long. I mean,

552
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: that is the hardest part about betting MMA. So you

553
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: have to realize that and you have to be cautious

554
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: about that. Fights they hit the scorecards. These judges are

555
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: going to mess up quite a bit. I mean, we

556
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: were watching the boscoel Ouspud fight yesterday with you know,

557
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: a couple of the guys in the wrisk room there,

558
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: and I will say, you know, it's pretty clear, but

559
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: you never know what the judges bad. I mean, they're

560
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: so bad. That fight was obviously an easy fight to score,

561
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you, I've seen worse, you know, as

562
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: far as like scorecards go, so it's incredible. I never

563
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: trust the judges. It's just so bad. And you know what,

564
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: realistically there's no foul play. So I don't want people

565
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: to get the wrong idea thinking that these judges are

566
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 2: in on something or No, it's not like that. I

567
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: just think it's kind of more ignorance and these guys

568
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: just don't know how to do their job properly. And

569
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: in most cases I hate to say that too, but

570
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: I think it's true. And every one of them kind

571
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: of has a different opinion on how they score a

572
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: fight too, so you know, they might some of these

573
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: judges might like the grappling aspect of things, some of

574
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: these judges will hate the grappling aspect of things, and

575
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: they might give the guy on the bottom that's getting

576
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: punched in the face and just get laid on or

577
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: whatever because he's landing some elbows off his back, they

578
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: might give him the round. I mean, you just never know.

579
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: It is a true wild card. And for me personally,

580
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: most of my losses have come by crazy decisions. I mean,

581
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: and that's a fact. That's not an overblown statement. I

582
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: know a lot of people say it comes and goes.

583
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: It does. I mean, you get some of those losses back,

584
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: for sure at times where you could kind of squeak

585
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: by and get a lucky decision, But for the most part,

586
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: it's not a good thing. I wish that the judging

587
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: aspect of things would get better and improve. I really

588
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: don't think we're going to see it, though, unless something

589
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: drastically happens, where you know, these guys that have these

590
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: questionable scorecards get reprimanded and get pulled off the card

591
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: and maybe have to go back into like a week's

592
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: worth of training or explaining why they saw a fight

593
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: a certain way, and then maybe give these guys a

594
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: second chance once they understand the guidelines of how to

595
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: score the fight properly, and get him back out there

596
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: and give him a second chance. That's fine. I'm all

597
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: for second chances, but man, some of these guys are

598
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: so bad, so that is definitely a risk. Scorecards are

599
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: always a question mark, and I'm always concerned when it

600
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: hits the cards.

601
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm assuming you guys saw continue to see a

602
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of money on Max Holloway. This is where I

603
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: was going with this because I had Alexandr Wolganowski. I

604
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: had him, I had had that fight going the distance.

605
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: I had out and a winning on the decision, and

606
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: I had it as part of a parley as well.

607
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: So that was a three tier w for me, which

608
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: I was holding my breath. It was a split decision

609
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: because I was going, okay, this is a coin flip.

610
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what Michael Bisban was watching. He was

611
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: driving me crazy by what he was saying. It was

612
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: just like to him, the fight was a five to

613
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: nothing win for Max Holloway, and I kept on saying,

614
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm not watching the same fight that you're watching, man,

615
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a really close fight and look

616
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: sixty seven leg kicks. Leg kicks count, and I think

617
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: the public may not understand that that you know, leg

618
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: kicks are still scoring, and maybe it's not the most

619
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: strongest of leg kicks, or maybe he's not getting injured

620
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: by the leg kick. But I mean, I felt like

621
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: it was a coin flip and I wouldn't have had

622
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: a problem either way. If Holloway had won, I wouldn't

623
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: have argued, And then Alexander winning, I didn't have a problem.

624
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: Was better for my bank roll, obviously for Volkanovski to win.

625
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: But one, how did that decision go for you guys

626
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: at CIRCA And two did you have a problem with

627
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: the outcome? I didn't have a problem with the outcome,

628
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: believe it or not. I mean, I think it was

629
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: close enough, Like you said, if hollow we got the nod,

630
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: mean obvious, I wouldn't have been mad.

631
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: He would have deserved it. I think it was that

632
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: close of a fight that I could see the judges

633
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: kind of going either way with that fight. So I

634
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think it was a horrible decision. I mean,

635
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: I think more people, more fans probably scored it for Holloway,

636
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: which is okay. I can understand that, But you got

637
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: to give credit to Volkanowski, as you said. I mean,

638
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: I think he kind of made the adjustments It's funny

639
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: because in the first fight, it was Holloway making the

640
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: adjustments late, and in this fight it seemed to be

641
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: Volkanovski making the adjustments as he went on and kind

642
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: of you know, tightening the gap and stealing kind of

643
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: the fight from Holloway. So kind of a tale of

644
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: two worlds. But yeah, no, we needed Volkanovski to win.

645
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: But I'm not just saying that because we needed Volkonovsky

646
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: to win. Obviously there was more money on Holloway. I realist.

647
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: I mean, as far as just UFC judging goes and

648
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: what we've seen overall, I think that was kind of

649
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: a justifiable kind of split decision type of fight that

650
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: could have realistically went either way according to how to

651
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 2: fight most fights are judged. So I was, you know,

652
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: not upset the decision. Obviously it went okay for us,

653
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 2: but I mean we would have been okay even if

654
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: we would have lost that decision overall for the night,

655
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: so you know, wouldn't have had a drastic impact on us.

656
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's definitely more action coming on Holloway, So

657
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of disappointed betters out there.

658
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: But again, I mean, Dana said it too. You just

659
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: can't leave it to the hands of the judges in

660
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: most cases, you know. I mean, it's just one of

661
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: those things. But two quality fighters like that. I mean,

662
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm not shocked to see that it does hit the scorecards.

663
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: And I wasn't, like I said, surprised to see that

664
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: Bolkanowski won either. I could definitely see why two judges

665
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: scored it that way or whatnot. So I think it

666
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: was Okay.

667
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: We've got two more fights on Fight Island, two more

668
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: fight cards on Fight Island that we'll get to here

669
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: in just one second. But I'm the third and final fight.

670
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Jose Aldo is a legend in the sport.

671
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's only thirty three years of age,

672
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: considering how long he's been in the sport. But you know,

673
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: Peter Yan, Peter Jan, however you gonna say his first name,

674
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: is a very skilled striker and eventually stops Aldo in

675
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: the fourth round. It kind of was the tail of

676
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: aldo second half of his career, where he tends to

677
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: slow down in the second, third rounds and then kind

678
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: of gases out as you get into the later rounds.

679
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, where does Yon go in how big

680
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: of a win for that? In your mind, he won

681
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: the belt clearly, But in terms of star and getting attention,

682
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: whether he gets it against Henry Suhudo or he fights

683
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: al Jamaine Sterling coming up next, where does yon star

684
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: power rank now here in the UFC.

685
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh that was the biggest win of his career for sure.

686
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: I mean, although of course just a legendary former champion,

687
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: So I mean, beating a guy like that despite you,

688
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: like you said, I absolutely agree with you. I mean,

689
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: I think that was kind of the narrative going into

690
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: this fight. I knew it was going to be fairly

691
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: competitive early on, but as the fight progressed, I mean

692
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: we were talking about in the office as well. As

693
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: the fight progresses, Aldo's probably going to slow down. Yan's

694
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: gonna end up, you know, finding possibly a finish there

695
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: as well. That's why you saw the total. I believe

696
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: it was around two and a half rounds or so

697
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: because of that aspect, Because as the fight got deeper

698
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: a little bit, there was likely to be a finish

699
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: from Yon. So I'm not surprised how that ended up,

700
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, kind of playing out there and as far

701
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: as I mean, just like I said, Stark caliber. I

702
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: think Yan has it, man. I mean, I think there's

703
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: a lot to like about him. I think, like I said,

704
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: quality win over Aldo now, I think people can respect

705
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: his fighting style. He's a very exciting fighter. He you know,

706
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: pushes a high pace. He's got good stamina to go

707
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: along with it. And I think if he keeps on,

708
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: you know, getting quality wins over like you said, s Hudo,

709
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: that that's gonna be interesting. I mean, if Sahuda comes back,

710
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: I know there was some smack talk already between the

711
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: guys or what not to that would be a great fight.

712
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: But Stirling definitely deserves this spot as well. You know,

713
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: that's stylistically, that's an interesting matchup. I think, so Hudo

714
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, Sterling for jan is definitely a

715
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: tough test. I mean, so if he could get by

716
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: those guys, man his it'll just keep on skyrocketing his

717
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: stock for sure. So he's got the chance though. I'll

718
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: tell you what, Like I said, I think he's marketable.

719
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: I think the fans can get really get behind him.

720
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he still has a long way to go

721
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: as far as getting to you know, to the upper

722
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: echelon of marketability from you know, the UFC or one not.

723
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: But he's on his way for sure. That was just

724
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: such a good win for him. I'm glad he got it.

725
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: He's such a talent. He's a great striker too. I mean,

726
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: he's he's a beast. It really is really fun to watch.

727
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I really do enjoy it, all right. So we got

728
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: two more events this week at Fight Island, and I

729
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: need you to talk me through Calvin Cator here for

730
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: a second, because I'm a Boston guy, so my heart

731
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: is you know, I have a tough time ever betting

732
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: against this dude, and he is a really interesting guy.

733
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: Now in the main event that Injes the opponent in

734
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: the in the featherweight division. What do you make a

735
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Calvin Cator And what do you make of the main

736
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: event coming up on Wednesday?

737
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: Man, it's a fantastic main event really. I mean, these

738
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: guys are both featherweights that are on the rise. You know,

739
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: they're knocking on the door of a title shot in

740
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: their own right. So they're both such exciting fighters to watch.

741
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Cater's really stepped up recently. He's only getting better,

742
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: you know. I Mean you see some of the finishes

743
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: he has that finish over Stevens was just incredible too.

744
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: So I think he's one of the best strikers we've

745
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: seen in featherweight. He's so clean, he's so you know,

746
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: technical with the striking, he's got power, he makes his

747
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: things up well. I mean, he's a beast on the feet,

748
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: and then he's got the great takedown defense where he

749
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: could keep it upright. So he's a handful. He's a

750
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: tough matchup for anybody obviously in the featherweight division. But

751
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: then you got to respect the EGA's up too though.

752
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: I Mean again, I know a lot of people were

753
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: kind of questioning that decision that he got over Barboza

754
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: in his last fight, But make no mistake, I mean

755
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: Ega was in that fight and he was doing really well,

756
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: I know. You know again, I think it was round

757
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: two they got swayed a little bit where you know,

758
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: I got kind of got hurt towards the end of

759
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: round two, and that's where a lot of people kind

760
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: of gave that round to Barbosa. But I mean he

761
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: was winning that fight. Well, he was winning that round

762
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: up until that point he got hurt, and then of course,

763
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, he just did great. He got it out

764
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: over a very tough and game Barbosa. So if you

765
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: look back at some of the other recent wins that

766
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: EGA has had, I mean, the guy's phenomenal because he's

767
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: got the total package as well. He has an outstanding

768
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: grinding wrestling game, grappling game. But on the feet, man,

769
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: this guy packs a lot of power and he's not

770
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: afraid to mix it up. So this is just a

771
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: fantastic main event. I mean, it's fireworks. Of course. If

772
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: you're looking at the betting line right now at Circle,

773
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: we have minus two eighty for Cater the comeback plus

774
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: two thirty five on Ega kind of makes it tough

775
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 2: to bet. I mean right away, the initial you know,

776
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: I think feel for it is Cater's probably gonna have

777
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: the edge here overall because I think he's probably the

778
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: better stand up fighter, so he can mix things up

779
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I think he could do a

780
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: little bit more damage against Ega. But EGA's so tough.

781
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: He's gonna be pushing forward as well, landing some hard shots.

782
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: He's gonna be looking to try to take this fight

783
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: to the floor. So I think the line's kind of

784
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: tough to the bet where it's at with almost minus

785
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: three hundred price hang on it. I wish it was

786
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: a lot lower because I would definitely pounce on Cater

787
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: if that was the case, and we could see the

788
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: line drop a little bit. I think, you know, again,

789
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: people are gonna put cater into parlays though, so that

790
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: we might have to balance that out some so it

791
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: might not be too much of a drastic drop, but

792
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: I think we will see some dog actually come in

793
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: an egay, So depending on where the price goes, I

794
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: would definitely probably lean a little bit more charge cater,

795
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: but again, at the price it kind of is tough.

796
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: But as far as pure matchup goes, Oh man, it's

797
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: gonna be such a great fight.

798
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: You mentioned parlay's. That's one thing I didn't ask you about, Nick,

799
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: and I just want to circle back to it real

800
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: quick because it is a really interesting philosophy here. And

801
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: I actually I don't like parlays, but I actually do

802
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: like two leg parlays in mixed martial arts in the UFC.

803
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I use that with the Amanda Hebas fight because I

804
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: was positive she was winning that fight in Page van

805
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: zand it's going to be gone. So I was unfortunately

806
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: feeding her to the lion there. But how do you

807
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: feel about, you know, the public who gets in love

808
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: with these four and five leg parlays.

809
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: I mean, yesterday it worked out great because a lot

810
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: of these people had the chalk parlay. So we did

811
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: take a loss as far as parlays go at CERCA yesterday,

812
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: we definitely because you know, the main card, everybody basically

813
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: came through as far as chalkos, so that position. A

814
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: lot of people are putting four or five team parlays together,

815
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: like you said, so they were happy with the parlaying.

816
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: But thank god, you know, everything else worked out where

817
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: we can kind of, you know, get through that and

818
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: end up profiting anyway with some of the other results

819
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: that we had overall. But yeah, parlays. I mean, when

820
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: it's all chalk, usually the betters are going to do

821
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: pretty well. I don't agree with four or five fight parlays.

822
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, for MMA and UFC, it's

823
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: like two teamers that you want to do two fight parlays,

824
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: two fighter parlays. You don't want to go above and

825
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: beyond that too much. I mean, because you're realistically have

826
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: a solid shot at winning these two fight parlays. I mean,

827
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: it's not a bad way to bet some of these fights.

828
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: But if you're putting four or five in the mix,

829
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: I think you're just asking for a bad beat, you

830
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I mean, even yesterday, like I said,

831
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: the main card the well Volkanovski in Holloway, I mean,

832
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: that could have easily went the other way, and that

833
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: would have busted up a lot of parts. From a

834
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: parlay perspective, that would have been great for us, honestly.

835
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: So again it was I mean contradicting a little bit,

836
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: but we needed, you know, Volkanovski to get the win.

837
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: But as far as parlay action goes, it would have

838
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: been okay for us also if Hollowey got the win,

839
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: because we would have busted up a ton of parlays.

840
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: So from a.

841
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: Betting perspective, booking perspective, you know, it's kind of sucks

842
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: when you see all these four or five you know,

843
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: fighter parlays coming through. But as far as like from

844
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: a better's perspective, yeah, I would stick to probably like

845
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: two teamers, maybe some three teamers depending on what it

846
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: is from time to time, but I think two teamers

847
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: is the way to go. All right.

848
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: So now on Saturday, we have a very interesting fight

849
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: in the flyweight division. And Joseph Benavidez is a really

850
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: good dude, and his wife, Megan Ollevia somebody. Both of

851
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: them have been great to me since I moved to

852
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Vegas about five years ago. So I'm completely biased here,

853
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: But devils In Figueroa is a phenomenal fighter. But what

854
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: do you do with this COVID nineteen situation for him?

855
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: And do you guys have a line even up yet?

856
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Figarola did test positive for COVID nineteen, but it's from

857
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: two months ago and the virus can stay in your

858
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: system for quite a long time, as I know as

859
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: as someone who's gone through COVID nineteen, and so he's

860
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: going to pass a bunch of different tests in order

861
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: for this fight to go off on Saturday. He has

862
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: not flown yet to Abu Dhabi to fight Island, but

863
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: he is expected to, at least the UFC right now

864
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: is expecting him to be able to be cleared to

865
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: fight Benavidez for this belt. But what for the open belt?

866
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: But what do you make of that fighting? Do you

867
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: guys have a lineup yet on it?

868
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a lineup. I mean we've had

869
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: it up for a while it was minus two twenty

870
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: five plus one ninety five. I believe we pulled it.

871
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: I had him pull it when all the news kind

872
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: of broke. But now, like you said, I mean, we're

873
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 2: expecting him to get cleared, so the line will pop

874
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: back up a little bit, and I'm sure we're probably

875
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: going to see the line drop a little bit. We

876
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: have to make a few adjustments in that case, you know,

877
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: because I think with the COVID situation, I mean, obviously

878
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: his training probably will be impacted, so I think a

879
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: lot of people might take a stab at Benavidez. Anyway,

880
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: the line it's kind of tough as well, because it's

881
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: a little bit over, Like I said, minus two twenty

882
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: five right now, so it's a little bit over the

883
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: two hundred, which makes it a tough bet because last time,

884
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: even before better Nvidez got caught, he was doing okay

885
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: early on in that fight. Now, Figuredo is just such

886
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: a tough matchup for anybody realistically, and I think we're

887
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: seeing guys that a guy that's kind of on the

888
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: rise versus Benavidez has been around for so long. I mean,

889
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: he's one of the best as far as Banta weaights

890
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: and feather but he was great in a featherweight or

891
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: I should say flyweights, and he was great in abandonweight

892
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: division obviously as well. So he's he's just one of

893
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: the best all time fighters, I think in the lighter

894
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: weight classes. It's a shame the guy hasn't had that

895
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: strap yet, you know, and he's so close to getting that.

896
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he's right in the mix all the time.

897
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: And his skill set is just phenomenal because he has

898
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: great striking, he's got the phenomenal wrestling to go along

899
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: with it. So he's just such a tough out and

900
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: he's a smart fighter too as well. So it's hard

901
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: to lay that kind of chok I think against Benavidez,

902
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: and especially with the COVID situation that we're hearing now,

903
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: So the line is probably going to drop back down

904
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: after you know. Like I said, I have to check

905
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: and make sure if it's up currently right now, I'm

906
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: not at the office, but if it is back up

907
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: and back open, we're definitely gonna have to adjust it

908
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: and drop the price a little bit because I would

909
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: expect some of Benavidez action to come in more so

910
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: on and but make no mistake again, the public favorite

911
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: will be Figuredo in this spot, and I think we're

912
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: gonna see a lot of parlay action again mixed in

913
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: with him. I think people are gonna kind of disregard

914
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: the COVID situation if he's able to fight. I mean,

915
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: this is just the way public is sometimes, right, They're

916
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: gonna probably gonna throw all the extra information out the window,

917
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: and I not even care about it. I mean, we

918
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: have to care about everything that kind of comes in

919
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: and information that you could use to kind of make

920
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: the line better to one now, so we will make

921
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: a few adjustments in that case. But again, I think

922
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: as far as the public is concerned, they're not gonna

923
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: care too much, and it's gonna be like Figuredo is

924
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: gonna be the popular side of this fight for sure.

925
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: And we'll we'll wrap with this next kind of point

926
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: because it's a tip for gamblers. I think when it

927
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: comes to the to the to the weights, to the

928
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: weight cuts into the way and you know, these two

929
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: guys fought, but figure it'll misweight badly the first time

930
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: these guys fought, and it's been unfortunately kind of a

931
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: trend here. Now this is for a title bout, so

932
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: he's got to make weight. But what happens on Friday

933
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: before events? For you, how closely do you watch guys

934
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: on this scale? Does it matter to you what they

935
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: look like? And do you take that into your handicapping

936
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: accounts for the fights?

937
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean I think again, a lot of

938
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: times we'll see like steam coming in after the weighans.

939
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: You know, if a fighter misses weight, if a fighter

940
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: looks drained on the scale, you know, has to use

941
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: a towel. Just all these circumstances. A lot of the

942
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: betters out there, you know, the pros and the people

943
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: that are actually watching and betting these fights on a

944
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: week to week basis, they're paying attention to all that

945
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: stuff as well, you know, so they're looking at the

946
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: WANs and if if somebody looks bad, you know, they're

947
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: going to fade them a little bit. They're going to

948
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: probably or they're going to get ahead of the line

949
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: movement a little bit. They know. You know, all right,

950
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 2: this price is at minus three hundred, this guy failed

951
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: to make weight. There's no way the line's going to

952
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: stay at minus three hundred. So I'm going to come

953
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: in and take the dog where it is at plus

954
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: two fifty or whatever the case may be, and then

955
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: the line does end up dropping and you know later

956
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: on it's plus two hundreds, so you've got great line

957
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: value and plus two fifty for example in that regard,

958
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: and sometimes you can buy back out and you know,

959
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: just kind of make money no matter what if if

960
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: the price, if you get the price at the right time,

961
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: sort of speak as well and get ahead of the steam.

962
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: But yes, I think WANs are important. They do make

963
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: an impact. You know, sometimes you can't I mean a

964
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: lot of people you can look at the size and

965
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: you can't take everything you see at the weigh ins

966
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: and overly put that into your equation as far as

967
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: moving a line or whatnot either, because I mean I've

968
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: seen time and time again a fighter look a lot

969
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: bigger than the other fighter at the wayans and then

970
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: you know, during the fight itself, it didn't play out,

971
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: it didn't help them that much or what not too

972
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: as well. So you learn from everything along the way

973
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: through the years to kind of use what information you can,

974
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: but at the same time, don't go too drastic with

975
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: it either. And we've seen time and time again, I

976
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: mean Jessicay stands out to me not too long ago.

977
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: I mean, she ended up losing her fight, but she

978
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: ended up looking pretty awful on the scale. I mean,

979
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: she was kind of weak and declined, and a lot

980
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: of people are saying, is she going to make the

981
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, she going to be able to make it

982
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: five whole rounds? You know a lot of people were

983
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: questioning that. And you know what, despite her looking as

984
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: kind of worn out and you know, weak as she

985
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: did on the scale that day, she made it five rounds.

986
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: Just fine. I mean, it wasn't that the cost of

987
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: the fight, you know, So I think that you have

988
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: to just be cautious about that. But as far as

989
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: steam hitting the sportsbooks, I mean, it does usually impact

990
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: that you know the lines for sure. So I think

991
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 2: if you do see something that's way off, I mean again,

992
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: maybe just for line value alone, you can make a

993
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: quick stab at it if the line's not moving drastically

994
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: yet and you think you can get ahead of it.

995
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't blame you for kind of taking a stab

996
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: at whichever side you know, maybe the better side in that.

997
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: And that's a specific situation, if that makes sense.

998
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: He is Nick Kolegas at fight odds on Twitter, pro

999
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: odds maker, pro better Risk supervisor with Circus Sports and

1000
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: you can see his stuff on UFC Fight Pass with

1001
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: their incredible show that they do for UFC pay per views. Nick,

1002
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: thank you so much for the time. This was a

1003
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: ton of fun. I really appreciate you coming on.

1004
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Oh awesome. I love being on here with you, So

1005
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: thanks for having me on.

1006
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: All right, big thanks that Nick kolak Is for coming in.

1007
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys listen to the entire interview, and I

1008
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: do apologize for the audio quality there. It will not

1009
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: be that bad every single time. That was just my fault.

1010
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: But Nick gave us thirty minutes and I didn't want

1011
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: to go back and retape the whole thing because that stuff,

1012
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: some of that stuff was gold from Nick kalakas here

1013
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: on the Daily Juice. Okay, so let's talk about where

1014
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: we are here heading into a Monday from the record standpoint. Okay,

1015
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: So we did really well at UFC two fifty one.

1016
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: We went five and one. There, we went four and two.

1017
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: On the work day, we got an Xfinity race, right,

1018
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: So we're off to a really really good start. So

1019
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: week one in the win column, in the Win Winter column,

1020
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: we made money in week one of the Daily Juice,

1021
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: so one win, no losses. So let's see what we

1022
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: do coming up for this week. Not every week. We're

1023
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: not gonna go ten and three every week. Okay, that's

1024
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: not gonna be our record. I'm really excited about it,

1025
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: but that's not what we're gonna have every single week

1026
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: for you. If we do, that will be tremendous. Again,

1027
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: fifty three percent is the goal. We are well above

1028
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: that right now here with ten out of thirteen bets cashing.

1029
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: But we will get ourselves, you know. Hey, we'll ride

1030
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: the wave, as they say for sports gambling. So really

1031
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: good first week. Hopefully you followed a bunch of our

1032
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: plays and we're back again with more plays for this week.

1033
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: But first I want to get into a future wager

1034
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: for baseball. That's gonna be kind of fun and maybe

1035
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a fandom type of play for me,

1036
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: but I do think it actually works. Okay, So the

1037
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: New York Yankees at most books right now are at

1038
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: thirty seven and a half or thirty seven wins, somewhere

1039
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: in that range. The over is juiced up at most books.

1040
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: At Circa in Vegas, it's thirty seven wins at minus

1041
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: one fifteen. Let's talk about the under here. Sixty game

1042
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: schedules are very funky and very different. We're gonna have

1043
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: all types of problems with COVID nineteen for baseball players

1044
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: or all this. Chapman just tested positive over the weekend,

1045
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and he he's the closer for the Yankees. You're gonna

1046
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: be without him for many many weeks. Who knows how

1047
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: long or all this jobman, if you will, he'll play

1048
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: at all coming up this year for the Yankees. Maybe

1049
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: in the playoffs he'll join them. But we've got taxi

1050
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: squads ready to go. We've got distractions all over the place,

1051
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: and I know the public's gonna say, well, that lineup

1052
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: is so incredible. I'm gonna make this prediction. I don't

1053
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: think anybody's gonna win forty games. I don't think anybody

1054
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: goes forty to twenty in this environment in Major League Baseball. Okay,

1055
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. The Yankees if they go

1056
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: thirty five and twenty five normally one hundred and sixty

1057
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: game schedule, I mean, that's a twenty five game, thirty

1058
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: game over five hundred type of season, right, that's really good.

1059
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: So in a snapshot, thirty five and twenty five. I

1060
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty good indication. I think it's a

1061
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: pretty good bet that they're gonna go thirty five and

1062
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: twenty five if you believe in fangrafs. Fangraps have them

1063
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: at thirty four and twenty six. Okay, I know you've

1064
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: got Cole and you've got that pitching staff, and you've

1065
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: got the lineup, you've got judges back after the shoulder,

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Speaker 1: but they've lost Severino. They're now without a roll of

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Speaker 1: this Chapman. I think betting the under and fading the

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Speaker 1: public here, I think that's the play. I think the

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Speaker 1: Yankees under thirty seven and a half. You can find

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Speaker 1: that hook. I really like thirty seven and a half,

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Speaker 1: but I don't even mind thirty seven because I think

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Speaker 1: thirty five wins is what they're gonna do. Fangrafs have

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Speaker 1: a thirty four wins, so to me, I think, you

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Speaker 1: look at the Yankees and I'm gonna play the under

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Speaker 1: for the Yankees season win total. So I'm a Red

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Speaker 1: Sox fan, so you might go, oh, that's just a

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Speaker 1: bias Red Sox fan. I just think if they win,

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Speaker 1: they're ten games over five hundred. They're gonna win the division,

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Speaker 1: all right. They're gonna win the division. They're gonna be

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Speaker 1: in the postseason. And I think it's all about the

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Speaker 1: playoffs anyway. It's just get into the tournament if you will.

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Speaker 1: And again I think in the COVID nineteen issues as

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Speaker 1: to where we are, I think fading the Yankees in

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Speaker 1: their win total, I think thirty five is a very

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Speaker 1: good number. Again, Fangrafts likes it at thirty four. I

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Speaker 1: think taking the under on the Yankees regular season win

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Speaker 1: total is where is what I've bet. And again I

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Speaker 1: got it at thirty seven and a half. Hopefully you'll

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Speaker 1: get it there as well, maybe even thirty seven, though

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Speaker 1: I don't mind it at thirty seven either. If that's

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Speaker 1: where you want to go, all right. You can follow

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