1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Every day. 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: We do this from one until four o'clock and every 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: day after four o'clock. If you miss anything, go to 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: the podcast John Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: We had Rick Caruso on at the top of the 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: two o'clock hour if you missed it. That's why the 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: podcast exists, so you could listen to the two o'clock 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: hour Rick Caruso. Because Rick is getting frustrated with Bass 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 2: and city Hall and the bureaucracy. And I'm saying this, 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: I don't think Bath cares at all if the Palisades 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 2: ever gets rebuilt. I think that whole crowd in her 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: administration and the city council would love to build affordable 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: housing for poor people and homeless people and drug addicts. 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: I think that's the future they see. 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: So they're going to tie up Palisades residents and keep 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: them from rebuilding until the Palisades people give up and 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: then sell to developers. And with Scott Wiener's new bill 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: and Sacramento that he's pushing, all these residential lots could 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: be turned into low income apartment buildings. I think that's 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: Bass's vision and nuisance vision as well. We'll be on 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: top of this over the next coming days and weeks. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: I want to get Michael mcche on here. Michael mcche 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: is the USC professor and we've talked to him several 26 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: times this year. He went through fifty years of gas 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: price statistics here in California and concluded that California's always 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: had the most expensive gas and it's almost always been 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: self inflicted by government to taxes and regulations, almost never 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: has anything to do with price gouging by the oil companies. 31 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: And secondly, he's discovered that with two refineries closing and 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: a new sixty five cent price increase coming from CARB 33 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: for a low carbon field standard, we're looking at gas 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: prices exceeding maybe eight point fifty within the next year 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: and a half. He wrote this great piece in the 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Times in the last week, and I wanted 37 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: to have him come on and talk about it. Michael, welcome, 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: Thank you. 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: John. 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: Good to be back with you. 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: I will say it seems like more and more of. 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: The rest of the media has picked up on your 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: writings and research and is affirming and publishing what you 44 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: have been warning about. And I don't see any credible 45 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: pushback against your prediction that the gas prices may be 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: exceeding eight dollars not too far down the road. 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of hard to push back on the 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 4: statistics and the data and the facts. You know, in California, 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: by the way, that eight forty three was the kind 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: of the worst case scenario, and that assumes that we 51 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: can't replace the gasoline we're losing as a result of 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: the two refineries closing. Right, So if you look at 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: the two refineries that are closing from twenty twenty three 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: to twenty twenty six April, we will have lost close 55 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: to twenty one percent of our in state refinery production 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: of gasoline. Okay, So the question then becomes, you know, 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: where are you going to get the gasoline? And that's 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: you know, at least six to ten million gallons a day, 59 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: depending on how you want to calculate it. And so 60 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: the issue then becomes, how are you going to replace it? 61 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 4: Where you're going to get the gasoline from, and how 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: much is it really going to cost the California consumer. So, 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: you know, this is the situation that the state is confronting. 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Now, is it true that that Newsome has been holding 65 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: meetings on this the legislature has been warned. 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: Carl Demyo was claiming that. 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago that the oil companies sent 68 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: in executives and briefed legislators, briefed Newsome and said, hey, 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: this is real. These refineries really are closing. In fact, 70 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: we might be closing down a pipeline because there's not 71 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: enough oil in it. They can't keep the pressure going. 72 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 4: What are you hearing, Yeah, well I've heard the same thing. Uh, 73 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: and it's and it's a pretty serious thing. I mean, 74 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 4: I think I think Gavin's in South Carolina. Uh was 75 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: there yesterday? Hopefully he took a look at the South 76 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: Carolina gasoline prices at two dollars and eighty cents a 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: gallon and ask himself why is it so high in California? 78 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: So perhaps he had to wherewithal to do that. But 79 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: but let's let's, you know, get back to you know, 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: what's happening in California. Are in state production? 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 5: Uh? 82 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: Now, we have anywhere from the fifth to the seventh 83 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: largest oil reserves in the country underneath our feet. In California, 84 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 4: our oil production has fallen by eighty eight percent over 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: the last thirty years. 86 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: Eighty eight percent. 87 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 4: Eighty eight percent absolutely falling through the ground. So, in 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: other words, if you look at nineteen eighty two, forty 89 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: years ago plus, we produce sixty one percent of our 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: oil for our needs in the state of California, which 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 4: meant we imported, you know, thirty nine percent. The most 92 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: recent estimates in this sort of anecdotal when you're talking 93 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 4: to the people, is that this year today, we're producing 94 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 4: less than twenty percent of our oil in state, which 95 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: means we're gonna have to import at least eighty percent. Right, 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 4: so the full decline over forty year period's been eighty 97 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 4: eight percent. But the problem that you're going to have 98 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: with that, it's a real serious problem, is that if 99 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: you're producing it less than twenty percent, chances are you 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: don't have enough oil going into the pipeline to even 101 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 4: operate it. You need pressure in the pipeline to move 102 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: the oil through it. So if you're not producing enough 103 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: oil in state to move it through an in state 104 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: pipeline to an in state refineries, that's a big problem. 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: And so if you lose that pipeline. So you need 106 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 4: two things. You need pressure to move it through, and 107 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: the pipelines run on an economic model. The more barrels 108 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 4: of oil you pump through it, the more profitable the pipeline. Right, 109 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 4: So if you're not pumping through a lot of oil, 110 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 4: you have low pressure and low economies of scale, the 111 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: pipeline will shut down. It's just pure engineering and economics 112 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 4: at this point. So if that pipeline shuts down, then 113 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 4: you've got a bigger problem in terms of getting oil 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: to the refineries, which means you're probably going to be 115 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 4: flooding the freeways with trucks and tankers. Big, big problem. Well, Governork, 116 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 4: to my knowledge, you know, to my knowledge, the governor 117 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 4: has been briefed on that. 118 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: He's been briefed. Well, something has to be done. Some 119 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: adult has to reverse the direction we're going in here. 120 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: Well you would think. So, you know, when you're looking 121 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: at a twenty one percent decline in in state production, 122 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 4: now you know the narrative now is, oh, don't worry 123 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 4: about it. The markets will compensate for that, will find 124 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: the oil someplace else, and the world will be perfect. Okay, great, 125 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: you're going to be tanking it in on these big 126 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: maritime tankers, probably someplace from Asia most likely, or you're 127 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: going to circumvent that Jones act like California has done 128 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: and bring it in from the Bahamas, which is actually 129 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 4: American gasoline shipped to the Bahamas. You change the flag, 130 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: and then you bring it into California as an import. 131 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: So you know, what's the net effect on greenhouse emissions 132 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: in the climate if indeed you're you're just what. 133 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: I understand that all this, all this is going to 134 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: make it make more greenhouse emissions. 135 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: Whatever they think, the problem is, it's all going to 136 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: get worse. So why do this? 137 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's sort of what we said it 138 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 4: was offshoring, right, you're going to offshore this this issue, 139 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: but you're not. You're not curing it. You're not even 140 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: Actually I think you know, I'm not an a climatologist, 141 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: but it would seem to me that by using these 142 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: offshore refineries and using all these tankers, you're contributing to 143 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: more greenhouse emissions. 144 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: You've written you've written that in your story in the 145 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: La Times that we're sitting on one of the largest 146 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: untapped reserves in the world. It's called the Monterey Shale, 147 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: but we import most of our oil from a rock 148 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Guyana, and Ecuador. We have in the 149 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: past imported it from Russia and Venezuela, and then uh 150 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: we send it to be refined. Mind and then the 151 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: tanks take thirty to forty days to cross the ocean 152 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: from Asia. 153 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: That's that's an insane. 154 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: System, very costly, and it produces way more in emissions. 155 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 4: You know, I think when you look at the state's 156 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: natural resources and the abundance of that, and the fact 157 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 4: that we also have when you count up all the 158 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: California debt, including the unfunded pension liability, we're sitting at 159 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: one point six trillion dollars in debt in the state. 160 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: Thirty nine percent of our GDP is debt. And you 161 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: sort of look at yourself and you look at these 162 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: consumer prices and you say, well, gee, isn't isn't there 163 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: like a better way of addressing this that it makes 164 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 4: more economic sense for the hard working people in California. 165 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 4: And that's simply you know what I'm asking you know, 166 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: as you know, as an individual, you know, as somebody 167 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: who studies this industry, there must be a more cogent 168 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 4: way of going about this, and apparently you know there 169 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: are many different ways of going about it that I 170 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 4: think would resolve in a steady supply of fuel, responsible 171 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: environmental stewardship, and a reduction and gasoline prices. I mean, 172 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: this is insane, and they're. 173 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: Going to go up. 174 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: Let me ask you one more thing, because then I 175 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 2: got to get to the news. There's two more refineries 176 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: scheduled to close in the coming months. 177 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: We'll up sixty six in Los Angeles Bellero in the 178 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Bay Area. 179 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: This is two hundred and eighty four thousand barrels of 180 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: daily production according to your article here. Is there anything 181 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: that can be done to keep these two refineries. 182 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: Going doubtful because they've already taken significant financial write offs 183 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: of billions of dollars against those refineries, and Valero in 184 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: particular has made public statements that they're out of the 185 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: state and they are closing it down. So the best 186 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: we might be able to do is use some of 187 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: those refinery facilities for storage tanks for imported gas. 188 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: So this is a done deal. There's nothing we can do. 189 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: We're not going to get this refining capacity back. There's 190 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: no emergency action that Newsom could take to reverse the situation. 191 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: As far as I know, it would be very difficult 192 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 4: for him to invoke emergency actions in this area. Now 193 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: he might be able to do it. I'm not a 194 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, a lawyer in that regard or at all, 195 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: but I think it would be very difficult for him 196 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: to compel These refineries sustain the state under current operating conditions. 197 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: And again, they're also losing money. When the price accruent 198 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: is this low, and it's been seventeen percent lower under 199 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: Trump than it was previously, the margins are going to 200 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: be low. So the refiners are struggling either way. So 201 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 4: you know, they're given the regulatory environment, the costs, and 202 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: all the other factors that we've talked about, including the 203 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: political bias against the refiners. 204 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: Apparently this is crazy. Michael mchee, USC professor, thank you 205 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: for coming on. 206 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. John, have a great day. 207 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: All right. 208 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 209 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: six forty. 210 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: Just had Michael mcchey on, the USC professor who has 211 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: done all this research about the about the price increases 212 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: in gasoline. Yeah, Newsom went to South Carolina to start 213 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: his presidential campaign and the price the prices there are. 214 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: In the twos. It's like two eighty. 215 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: In South Carolina, Michael Miche sent us a sheet of 216 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: things you should know. 217 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: Uh. 218 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: And ever since Gavin Newsom took over, California, gas prices 219 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: have increased by thirty nine percent. 220 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: That's and. 221 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: There were a lot of taxes. When he took over, 222 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: he added even more. The main state gas tax increased 223 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: by twenty nine percent. Our refining capacity has shrunk by 224 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: twenty one percent. After these next refineries close up. Drilling 225 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: permits have fallen ninety seven percent. California issues almost no 226 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: drilling permits. Our population is declined by about one and 227 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: a half percent, but spending group by sixty four percent. 228 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: These are all newsome numbers. We used to produce sixty 229 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: one percent of our oil needs, now less than twenty percent. 230 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: In state oil production in California has dropped eighty eight 231 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: percent over the last forty plus years. We are importing 232 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: the oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Guyana and Ecuador. 233 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: The oil is shipped. 234 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: To Asia, like to South Korea, converted into gasoline and 235 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: then shipped across the Pacific. Takes thirty to forty days. 236 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: This is doing. It is creating more more greenhouse gas emissions, 237 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: not less, and it doesn't have any effect on the 238 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: climate either way. I've got several sheets here that I 239 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: could read to you if I had the time. All 240 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: of it would make you crazy. Tomorrow we're gonna have 241 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: Tony Strickland on. He's the state Senator from Huntington Beach, 242 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: and he's going to talk about this because he says 243 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: that every time the Republicans bring up a bill to 244 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: stop the gas tax increase, the Democrats kill it, and 245 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: we have a sixty five cent increase coming very soon, 246 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: and the Republicans are trying to stop it the legislature, 247 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: and the Democrats refuse to stop it. They want you 248 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: and I was reading just this week this was all 249 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: by design. This is no no conspiracy theory here. They 250 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: thought if they raised the prices high enough, then people 251 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: would flock to electric vehicles. And so that's what they're doing. 252 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: Even though the electric vehicle mandate has been struck down, 253 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: has been overruled by Congress, even though we don't have 254 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: much of a charging network, even though we don't have 255 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: an electrical grid to support electric cars, they're still intentionally 256 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: created policies to push gas prices now potentially. 257 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: In the eight dollar range. 258 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: And as Carl DeMaio pointed out a couple of weeks ago, 259 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: if that pipeline goes down, we have a major supply 260 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: pipeline that takes the oil to the refineries to turn 261 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: into gas. But there's so little oil in it it 262 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: may be shut off there's not enough pressure. Then we're 263 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: looking at ten dollars gas. If you are not calling 264 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: everybody in the legislature, I don't know what's wrong with you. 265 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: Newsom is in a state now trying to become president 266 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: in South Carolina where the gas prices are in the twos. 267 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: That's what he knows. The gas prices are in the 268 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: twos there. He knows the gas prices are in the fives. 269 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: Here headed for the eights. They're doing it on purpose 270 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: because you let them. Karen bass is purpose not issuing 271 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: permits to replace the homes of the Palisades. They're doing 272 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: it on purpose. They want to turn the Palisades into 273 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: a low income housing paradise for poor people, homeless people, 274 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: drug addicts, and criminals. 275 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: They want to do it on purpose. 276 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: We come back, We're going to talk to Alex Stone 277 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: TSA here in La no longer going to require you 278 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: to take your shoes off when you go through security. 279 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: And then we're also going to play Eric Leonard's report 280 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: on the origin of the Palisades fired. 281 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 282 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: six forty. 283 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: Coming up in the next segment, we're going to play 284 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: you Eric Leonard's report from NBC four yesterday about the 285 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: investigations into the Palisades fire origins. What are they honing 286 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: in on. Are they drifting away from the fireworks being 287 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: reignited as the number one theory as to what caused 288 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 2: the fire? 289 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: If all I have to do is. 290 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: Read you the list of agencies involved in this investigation, 291 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: and it gives you an idea of where they may 292 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: be heading. But we'll do that coming up in a 293 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: few minutes. First, one of the most irritating things going 294 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: through airport security, and then you have to take off 295 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: your shoes because one idiot terrorist twenty years ago had 296 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: a shoe bomb and then for twenty years, hundreds of 297 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: millions and billions of people had to take off their 298 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: shoes unless you got TSA pre check, which I got 299 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: I have that too. That's not very much money. I 300 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: don't know why everyone doesn't get it. It's like twenty 301 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: bucks a year. Yeah, and I'm shocked how long the 302 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: lines are. 303 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: It's like, although. 304 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 5: More and more people are getting that, we're getting a 305 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 5: glibal entry and so the lines are long. 306 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: The lines are backing up. Let's got Alex Stone on here. 307 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 2: Let's see what the big revelation. Yeah, I noticed that 308 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: last week when I was flying. I was like, well, 309 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people in the regular line. 310 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: I thought more people would have a pre check by 311 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: now that say, it's not that hard to get right, 312 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: But she came by lunch for twenty bucks, right, and 313 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 2: to not we'll take off your shoes until now and 314 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 2: not take out your laptop and your belt and all 315 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But on the belt yes, and 316 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: the drinks yeah. Well, and so that's the thing of 317 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: what may be coming next that there are some thoughts 318 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: and maybe the liquids will change at some point too. 319 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: But there's an old generation that that in their twenties, 320 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: this is what they have had. This is all they've known, 321 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: is that you take off your shoes going through the 322 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 2: airport if you're not in a pre check line and 323 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: beginning immediately. There was no warning, no leaks that this 324 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: was coming, no real push for a change right now. 325 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: Christinome a short time ago, late this afternoon making this announcement. 326 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 6: TSA will no longer require travelers to remove their shoes 327 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 6: when they go through our security checkpoints. 328 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: We first got word last night that Seattle and some 329 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: others were beginning to say no shoes can remain on, 330 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: and then the memo had gone out TSA saying that 331 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: they were no longer going to do it. Christ You know, 332 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying this is a number of things. One that 333 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: we've come along way with technology over the last twenty years, 334 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: almost twenty years that this has been in place. Two, 335 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: they've got more TSA officers to watch people who are 336 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: going through when something doesn't look quite right. And then 337 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: the real ID that everybody hated getting, but that that 338 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: secure is the identity of that person who is going 339 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: through that you know that they have had a secure 340 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: not really a background check, but they've had their documents 341 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: checked that they are who they say they are. It's 342 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: not couldn't be a fake ID that remember in the 343 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: days when they wouldn't scan it and they just look 344 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: at it and hand it back to you that they 345 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: feel like they're at a new spot. She also says 346 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: this is about being more welcoming in the. 347 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 6: US, make people safe, but also provide some hospitality as well. Now, 348 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 6: this is especially important to streamline the process and look 349 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 6: at efficiencies that we can build in as we build 350 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 6: up for some big events that are going to be 351 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 6: coming here in the next twelve months here in the 352 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 6: United States of America. As you all know, right now 353 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: we have the Club Champion Chips going on. A lot 354 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 6: of travelers and visitors are coming into the country. But 355 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 6: next year we will also have the Olympics that will 356 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 6: be in the United States of America. 357 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: Now, not to correct the secretary, but the Olympics are 358 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: not next year, they are in three years. 359 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: I think we all panicked in LA when she said 360 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: next year, But you are correcting. 361 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: Okay, I am, but but but the bottom line is 362 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: that the Olympics are coming and they want to make 363 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: it more open. But well, the World Cup is coming 364 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 2: next year and the Yea Bowl is after that year 365 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: in l Yeah, and there are a number of different 366 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: things that they want to try to streamline. 367 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: Things. 368 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: You would talk to Nico Melendez, a friend of KFI 369 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: formerly of the TSA, today his view on this, He says, yeah, 370 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: this is about that we've come a long way since 371 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: two thousand and six. By the way, the Richard Reid 372 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: American Airlines shoe bomber, that was in two thousand and one, 373 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: and the rule went into place in two thousand and six. 374 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: There was a five year period there when it happened. 375 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: Had that happen in two thousand and one, Yeah, it 376 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: was a long time, but it took them. It took 377 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: him five years, five years to come up with that rule. 378 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: But he says, yeah, we've come a long way. The 379 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: next thing he wants to know though, is probably even 380 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: more so than shoes, because you go through a magnetometer. 381 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: Who knows what's in your shoes. 382 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: But with liquids that we now have the technology to 383 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: say that's water, that's gasoline, that's breast milk without making 384 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: you drink it. Why are we still doing this three 385 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: point four ounce thing? He wants to know that. 386 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 5: He told us, when are we going to get to 387 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 5: the elimination of the liquid band policy, because that was 388 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 5: another stopgap measure after the liquid bomb plot in two 389 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: thousand and six that continues to burden passengers. So there's 390 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: a lot of things that were done as stop gaps, 391 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 5: but things that have not all had remedies to them 392 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 5: just yet, and hopefully we get to that point where 393 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 5: some of these overburdens some regulations that are implemented on 394 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 5: passengers are eliminated. 395 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: So thing if that worked out, then you could go 396 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 2: through a bottle of water or you know, a bigger 397 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: bottle of shampoo. 398 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: Always that. But we're confiscating women's breast milk. 399 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember, or take a sip of it, or 400 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: have a baby take a sip of it. 401 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a weird finish some of the 402 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: agents have. 403 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but people are happy about this today, even though 404 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: there are some questions about Yeah, but what if somebody 405 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: tries to come through, They it would be harder to catch. 406 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: But they say that we've got the technology and everything. Now, 407 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: this guy at the airport today. 408 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm habitually late selling. I'm running late, trying to put 409 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: my shoes back on. So taking away some of the 410 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: extras is a blessing. Yeah, this lady loves it. I 411 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: think the new policy is going to help the line 412 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: speed up a little. More family members won't have. 413 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: To be taken off their shoes, so it'll be it'll 414 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: be a lot faster. 415 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be something positive. 416 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: So it's immediate. Seattle was first one where it was 417 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: really noticed. Other big airports. I don't know if Lax 418 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: is doing it today or Burbank or John Waynebody. 419 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: Lax is on the list. I don't know when. 420 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: They're starting pretty quick because it's as of today, but 421 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: they said it's got to kind of roll out, and 422 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: there will be times where they may say, hey, look 423 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: you got to do it today for whatever reason. But yeah, 424 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: so it's it's immediate after no announced it. All right, 425 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: very good, Alex, thank you, Thank you for coming on. 426 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 2: Alex Stone. Sip your breast milk. Okay, don't don't save 427 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: that bite right there. I don't want to hear that again. 428 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: Eric isolated. All right, uh Era, let me see here? 429 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: What see? 430 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: Everything comes back to that story. I sent Deborah's story 431 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: today and we really should go through it on the air. 432 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: It was written three years ago. It's on a blog 433 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: called lifehacker dot com. I don't know how I found 434 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: it today. I think I think I sometimes I google 435 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: and sometimes I google a phrase like why is everybody stupid? 436 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: I really do this, like late at night if I 437 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: can't sleep and I'm aggravated about something. It's like, it's like, 438 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: why is everybody stupid? And I found this article why 439 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: should you? Why you should assume everyone is stupid, lazy, 440 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: and possibly insane, including you? And I started thinking that. 441 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: I started thinking about just about everyone I know, certainly 442 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: everybody who works here. Oh yeah, and they fall into 443 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: one of those three categories, if not all three, and 444 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: uh lifehacker dot com and and and that there's there's 445 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: no reason that if one has a shoe bomb it 446 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: would take five years to ban shoes. 447 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that is crazy, and then twenty years to unban them. 448 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: I was like, why did it take twenty years to 449 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: come up with a detection method so that somebody can't 450 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: hide an explosive in their shoe? Did? 451 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: I didn't get that because they had to scan, so. 452 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: You couldn't put an explosive in your pants pocket right, 453 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: or in your underwear right, or in your breast pocket, 454 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: on your shirt or shut jacket. So why is it 455 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: the shoes? They couldn't scan automatically as you're walking through 456 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: all right, more coming up we're gonna play the Eric 457 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: Leonard story about the origin of the Palisades fire. Which 458 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: way is the federal government maybe leaning? I hate to 459 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: put all these hedges in, but you'll see in the story. 460 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: Why you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI 461 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: A six forty. 462 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: Here's the story I've been wanting to play. God, there's 463 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: so much going on today and I didn't even get 464 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: to half of it. Eric Lanyard with the NBC four 465 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: six months from the fire, What did the officials believe 466 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: is the cause of the fire? Well, I'll listen to 467 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: this report, see what you can make out of it. 468 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 7: This is the question everyone's been asking, how did it start? 469 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 7: And several of our law enforcement sources tell us they 470 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 7: believe they're very close to confirming the cause of the 471 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 7: January seventh fire, and they say there's still a possibility 472 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 7: someone could face criminal charges. Our contacts tell us a 473 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 7: lot of investigation still needs to be done and it's 474 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 7: too soon to share too much more information publicly. Many 475 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 7: theories have been explored in the last six months on 476 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 7: the possible causes. One by one. Almost all have been 477 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 7: ruled out, including the accidental amis ignition by utility lines. 478 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 7: Several law enforcement officials familiar with the case but not 479 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 7: authorized to speak publicly publicly say much of the inquiry 480 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 7: now centers on that much smaller brush fire that was 481 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 7: extinguished one week before the Palisades fire, a fire that 482 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 7: neighbors reported had been ignited by illegal fireworks set off 483 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 7: on New Year's Night. Now, you might remember, in late April, 484 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 7: the ATF conducted a series of burn tests in the 485 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 7: Palisades Highlands, very close to where both fires started. The 486 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 7: January seventh Palisades fire started during daylight hours, but these 487 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 7: tests were done between eleven PM and three am, That's 488 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 7: the timeframe when the January first fire started. The source 489 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 7: has told us the test fires were set in order 490 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 7: to gauge the sensitivity of some remote detection equipment that 491 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 7: would help narrow the timeline for when that New Year's 492 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 7: Eve fire ignited. 493 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: So all of this suggests that. 494 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 7: Investigators have found some definitive connection between those two fires, 495 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 7: But so far, the ATF has simply said the investigation 496 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 7: is ongoing. It's also declined to answer our specific questions, 497 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 7: and we're told it may be another month or two 498 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 7: before we get an official statement. On what all of 499 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 7: those arson investigators have found back to you guys, Hey. 500 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 5: Eric, before we'll let you go, what have you learned 501 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 5: about the cause of the Eton fire. There seemed to 502 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: be quite a bit of evidence out in public that 503 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 5: the electrical lines and the foothills where they source it 504 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 5: all are the sparks but the flames. 505 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 7: Right, so certainly a very different kind of mystery out 506 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 7: in Altadena, where authorities said there's little doubt the origin 507 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 7: of that fire was directly below some electrical lines and 508 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 7: towers in Eaton Canyon. The question there that fire investigators 509 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 7: have been looking at, along with state regulators and attorneys 510 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 7: representing fire victims, has been trying to answer exactly which 511 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 7: electrical line There are several that run through Eaton Canyon, 512 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 7: including some deadlines that investigators suspect could have been momentarily 513 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 7: re energized in the extreme winds that night and sparked. 514 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 7: So far, no official conclusions there either. Authorities tell us 515 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 7: it remains under investigation as well. 516 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: In the written report that Eric filed with the NBC four, 517 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: it says experts told NBC News that the cold ignition 518 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: theory that something still smoldering the January first fire reignited 519 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: on the seventh was not impossible, but was an unlikely 520 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: could be a difficult case to prosecute in court, and 521 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: it looks as if there could possibly be criminal charges. 522 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: And I wondered, did that mean of the people who 523 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: started the original fire on the first that reignited on 524 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: the seventh, because yeah, that would be tough to get 525 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: a conviction on that, or are they talking about some 526 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: entirely different people. They've had not only the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, 527 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: and Firearms and Explosives leading the investigation, but they have 528 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: the Fire Department's arsen Section, the LAPD's Major Crimes Division, 529 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: And I wonder, because you have to wonder about an 530 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: arson guy, a crazy person or what I thought right away? 531 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: And I still think just a bomb, just one of 532 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: the many homeless people, because quite a few of them 533 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: live up in the hills in the wilds throughout the 534 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: Santa Monica Mountains. And I also thought that if it 535 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: was some crazy guy living in the wilds and he 536 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: started the fire, and maybe he was motivated because of 537 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: the winds and the warnings, that this would be fun 538 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: to do it and see what happens if officials here 539 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: would ever admit to it. I'm glad the federal government's involved. 540 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: You're more likely to get the truth out of the 541 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: ATF than you are from any California agency. Certainly anything 542 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: that Newsom or Bass have any oversight or connection to, 543 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: because what I always was suspicious of is like, well, 544 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: what if it's if it's a homeless guy, would they 545 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: ever admit that? And would they admit it? Well, everybody 546 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: was upset and paying attention. Now we're getting six months 547 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: later and the emotions have faded, the interest has faded, 548 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: and so they could they could release a story about 549 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: a homeless guy and wouldn't get the same reaction as 550 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: we found out that week, because you know, Bass then 551 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: really would be over if it was a homeless person 552 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: that started the fire who somehow didn't make it into 553 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: her insight safe program. They never admitted if it was 554 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: a homeless person who burned the ten freeway. No, they 555 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: never did, and clearly someone but they made that go 556 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: away fast. Yeah, that's that's why I did Bass and 557 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: Newsome make stuff go away for again. You compare the 558 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: Bass and her response to the fire with the Bass 559 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: who goes to MacArthur Park and loses her mind and 560 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: starts screaming and shouting, Get everybody. That's what she cares about. 561 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: She cares about the illegal aliens getting rounded up. She 562 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: doesn't care about the Palisades residents. You are not the 563 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: right demographic. I am convinced now that she and the 564 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: city council want to make the Palisades a low income 565 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: high rise apartment heaven, that that's what they're hoping for. 566 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: And if Scott Wiener's bill passes in Sacramento, than any 567 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: any lot that is zoned for single family housing, anyone 568 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: could sell their lot to a developer and turn it 569 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: into a low income apartment building. That's what may be coming. 570 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: And the Palisades could be entirely low income housing. And 571 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 2: that's why bass is showing such little interest. And that's 572 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: why you can't get a permit. That's why the repairs 573 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: or the rebuild is going so slowly. They don't want 574 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: people to rebuild. They want to try their their great 575 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: social experiment. Ad a lot we're going to do tomorrow. 576 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna have Tony stricklan on about how the Democrats 577 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: are stopping every bill that would limit the gas tax increase. Also, 578 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: Katie Grimes is gonna come on about Newsom's bizarre press conference, 579 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: how all these idiot politicians were praising Newsom for his 580 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: work on the fire and it looked like a launching 581 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: pad to go to Sacramento, South Carolina, which he did today. 582 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: And he's campaigning more or less in South Carolina, holding 583 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: meetings with Democratic officials because that's one of the earliest primaries. 584 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: So he's starting now three and a half years in advance. 585 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: He's lost in Bass, has lost interest in rebuilding the Palisades, 586 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: Newsom has lost interest in the entire state. That'll come 587 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: up again tomorrow. We got Michael Krozer and then we're 588 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: gonna Mark Thompson in for Tim Conway. Krozer is live 589 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: in the twenty four hour calf I knew. Hey, you've 590 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You can 591 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: always hear the show live on KFI Am six forty 592 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, and 593 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 2: of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.