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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: Radio camp I camp I camp I camp Brady's got it,

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Speaker 1: got that camp I. I tell all of them, I

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Speaker 1: get that camp I, bring it up, bring it down,

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Speaker 1: camp by CAMPI, Brady's CAMPI by CAMPI to Jonas camp

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Speaker 1: d I make love.

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Speaker 3: To a strip off.

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Speaker 4: Yes he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first you have to tip you did?

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Speaker 4: She said, I'm not quipon quipon.

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Speaker 1: They already they say, Loraina coming, she comes like a storm.

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Speaker 3: Huh huh.

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Speaker 1: I bet you. Lorena is a big tipper one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I think that this is now.

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Speaker 5: It only takes fourteen singles, that's it.

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Speaker 6: Heck yea, what is that?

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Speaker 5: They still come to me?

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Speaker 6: They still come to you, dang, you worked at a restaurant, right, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 6: if you've ever worked at a restaurant, you're a big tipper.

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Speaker 6: You just kind of know that world. Then there's something

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Speaker 6: she just said. She rolls with fourteen to a strip club.

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Speaker 6: I mean, why go.

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Speaker 1: In there if you're only going in there with fourteen singles?

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Speaker 1: What you please tell me what the plan is with

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Speaker 1: fourteen singles?

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Speaker 5: You find the ones, give them a man, and you

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Speaker 5: give her all fourteen of your.

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Speaker 1: Ones, like singularly, yeah, make it rain. No, you can't

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Speaker 1: make it rain with fourteen singles.

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Speaker 6: You could if the lightings right.

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Speaker 1: No, you cannot. What do you mean that is impossible? Well,

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Speaker 1: here's as well.

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Speaker 7: Throw Here's what Jonathan at Jonas goes and picks them

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Speaker 7: up after you throws them down.

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Speaker 4: Correct, you know he's he's breaking them up. You know

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Speaker 4: he's picking him up quick. That's that's throwing it up there,

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Speaker 4: that's the movie.

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Speaker 1: Jonas throws him at his computer while he's holding the

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Speaker 1: mouse with his right hand.

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Speaker 6: You're right, left hand, you're right, Yeah, I'm not good there. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you just you throw them up in the air and

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Speaker 6: then as soon as they go to grab me, just go.

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Speaker 6: He's got a gun, and then you just scoop all back.

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Speaker 5: Up and you take the first stripper I fell in

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Speaker 5: love with, who got my fourteen dollars? Is also tattooed

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Speaker 5: on my Ankle's very awkward.

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Speaker 4: Would you say the first stripper you feilh like?

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Speaker 5: That may be that may be a curly hair, Oh

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Speaker 5: my god.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, that may not, that may not be the story

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Speaker 3: we want to hear.

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Speaker 6: What do you mean her name or picture or what.

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Speaker 5: Like her image? Her likeness in a stick figure stripper?

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Speaker 6: Yes, she.

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Speaker 1: You were so guys, you guys extend Nazi. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: it inspired? That was y'all had a moment. Huh, y'all

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Speaker 1: had a moment, a lot of moments. Yeah, memorable moments.

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Speaker 5: For fourteen dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, man, cheaper in a movie. I mean, why

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Speaker 1: couldn't you just round it off to fifteen? Like why fourteen?

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Speaker 1: What's the significance of fourteen? I'm just I'm confused.

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Speaker 5: That was just what we decided on that night.

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Speaker 6: All right, it's interesting, Okay, that's interesting. I had no

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Speaker 6: clue that was going to take that turn.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that one threw me off. I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I mean just when I thought it couldn't get any

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Speaker 1: more bizarre. Then we go to a tattoo of her

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Speaker 1: on the ankle. That's uh wow, Well okay, there you go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Let mean, let's see it, right, I mean, have

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Speaker 6: you posted that on your ig for uh uh.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think I have posted my stick figure

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Speaker 5: your stripper. I'll show you guys in the break.

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Speaker 1: I think you need to show it to us. Now,

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Speaker 1: come on, come show it to us. Now, give a

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Speaker 1: little let's get a look at this. Let's get it

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Speaker 1: in segment view of this this stripper that you fell

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Speaker 6: the country. Is Larta is now coming into the studio

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Speaker 6: right now. She's hiking up get in the middle of

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Speaker 6: her bell bottom in between us yoga pants, and she's

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Speaker 6: trying to show us this. Oh that's tiny, I'll get please,

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Speaker 6: that looks like the Blair Witch stick. Please, that's how

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Speaker 6: you were playing Hangman and you stop midway through.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Lee did the did the tattoo. So

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Speaker 1: I'll say you did not need a tattoo artist for

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Speaker 1: that one, Lorena, that was one. Uh.

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Speaker 5: I don't sell that online?

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, So Brady can see it. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 6: I'm not please.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If that's the likeness of the stripper you fell in

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Speaker 3: Looks straight like a witch hair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's not I mean, yeah, no, I don't buy

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Speaker 1: that one. But that looks like that looks like the

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Speaker 1: new image that goes on women's bathrooms is what it

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Speaker 1: looks like women enter here. You got to be more

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Speaker 1: clear with that stuff these days. Yeah, did you see it? Q?

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Speaker 3: Did you see it? I've not seen you're not seeing it.

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Speaker 3: It's not come through.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not missing much. You're not you're not

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Speaker 1: missing much. That that that is a very short story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's just one of the something that's just one of

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Speaker 1: the worst things to say that this is the reason

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Speaker 1: why I got it. If you're saying based off.

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Speaker 4: Of real quick, what age did you get that tattoo at?

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Speaker 3: And how well was the tattoo artist the same.

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Speaker 6: Maybe me think?

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Speaker 5: Okay, hold on, hold on? Was that it was at

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Speaker 5: least it was at least eight years ago?

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Speaker 6: Good, it is at least years ago.

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Speaker 5: And it was I went to the Fits the Fritz

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Speaker 5: in Anaheim. That's this, that's the strip club I went to.

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Speaker 5: And then I got the tattoo when I went to

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Speaker 6: So you were so inspired you waited months?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had to design what we wanted.

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Speaker 3: So you had to design that.

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Speaker 6: Tell me you design and.

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Speaker 5: My friend put two different So mine's in one position

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Speaker 6: But same same girl is.

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Speaker 3: Is in a different position.

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Speaker 5: And yes, I have matching sticks figure tattoos.

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Speaker 1: Did you have a relationship with him as well? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like a group thing.

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Speaker 6: Group enough.

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Speaker 1: Hey, all right, y'all clearly was on on something because

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Speaker 1: that that stick figure.

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Speaker 1: I think she's cute, the stick figure. Yes, that's why

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Speaker 1: you put it where no one can see that? Bad

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Speaker 1: boy you? Okay, all right, Well there we go. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk some Well, here's what we can see.

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Speaker 6: Shadoor Sanders this weekend in the NFL, all right, shad

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Speaker 6: Or Sanders getting a start for the Cleveland Browns. Everybody's

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Speaker 6: excited he'll take on the Carolina Panthers and uh, people

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Speaker 6: are really fired up about this, but people are also concerned.

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Speaker 6: Somebody that's concerned about the whole situation is one Lewis

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Speaker 6: Riddick of ESPN, who said this about Shudor's opportunity.

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Speaker 8: I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason

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Speaker 8: games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're

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Speaker 8: going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in

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Speaker 8: order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter

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Speaker 8: when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.

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Speaker 8: That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.

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Speaker 8: I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.

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Speaker 8: We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps.

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Speaker 8: They play a whole half of a game, and then

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Speaker 8: all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you

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Speaker 8: making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,

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Speaker 8: damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You

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Speaker 8: never even talked to me during practice, But now you

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Speaker 8: expect me to know that's what they're gonna expect of him.

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Speaker 8: But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid

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Speaker 8: because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling

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Speaker 6: So that is Lewis Riddick on.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is such a long departure from the truth

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Speaker 7: and the reality. And what pains me about a take

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Speaker 7: like this And I heard this and I literally thought

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Speaker 7: to myself, it's a lie. Like I want everyone out

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Speaker 7: there to know that is one of the biggest lies.

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Speaker 7: It's one of the biggest reasons why people get frustrated

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Speaker 7: with ESPN's content is because they have people who go

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Speaker 7: on TV and they say things that literally are not true.

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Speaker 7: Let's just start off with this fact. Has it ever

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Speaker 7: changed for a rookie that he wasn't gonna get enough

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Speaker 7: in the history of the NFL draft, Like that's always

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Speaker 7: you never or very seldom, I would say, what point

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Speaker 7: zero one percent of the time, maybe you're like a

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Speaker 7: cam Ward, which even cam Ward up to a point

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Speaker 7: this offseason, who is the number one overall pick was

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Speaker 7: quote unquote battling with Will Levis. So even he wasn't

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Speaker 7: getting every single rep to prepare him for the first

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Speaker 7: preseason game. But every single player isn't getting every single

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Speaker 4: And by the way, that's okay.

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Speaker 7: Like when you become a backup, or if Shoud or

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Speaker 7: Sanders ends up being the backup, do you think he's

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Speaker 7: gonna get every single reped in the course of the

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Speaker 4: No, that's like.

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Speaker 7: Part of the job. So I would look at it

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Speaker 7: this way. One like the scenario he's playing out is

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Speaker 7: such a long departure from the truth for every single rookie,

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Speaker 7: not just Shadoor Sanders, which is what I hate about

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Speaker 7: him actually saying this on TV at anyone giving it

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Speaker 7: any credibility. The second thing is Picket's been out with

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Speaker 7: the hamstring injury, Gabriel's been out with the hamstring injury.

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Speaker 7: Flacco has been mixing in with the reps too, They've

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Speaker 7: all kind of shared reps. So in reality of all

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Speaker 7: of the quarterback situations, just because there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: bodies there, it actually doesn't mean at all that shad

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Speaker 7: door Sanders hasn't got a fair amount of reps and

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Speaker 7: all sorts of different types of situations. The next thing

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Speaker 7: i'd step two is it's preseason.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 7: Everyone understands that there's going to be mistakes made. Everyone

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Speaker 7: He's got a lot of experience. Like he's started more games. Okay,

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Speaker 7: The first preseason game I ever got into, do you

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Speaker 1: Most guys move with camp during the first game of

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Speaker 1: That's what preseason is really about, especially the first game,

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Speaker 6: What's the downside? A week ago, the conversation was, he's

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Speaker 1: Their first preseason and you already saying stuff that that

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Speaker 3: Wait, like this is all good.

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Speaker 7: And that's the other thing, like, is he gonna be

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Speaker 7: He's number one the depth chart. Now that's not gonna change.

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Speaker 7: This is really about whether or not Shador will be

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Speaker 7: This entire thing is completely upside for Shaudor to go

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me, and I'll leave it

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Speaker 1: All of that pressure now creates the what is Cleveland doing?

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Speaker 1: What's justified to say that there's now the moment in

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Speaker 6: Have you guys heard anything about Jalen Milroe this offseason?

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Speaker 6: It's just but like like that's all the conversation is

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Speaker 3: It's just it's cloud chasing too right, like it's cloud.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's let's pull back the curtain. We've worked in TV,

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Speaker 7: What's going to grab the attention? Like I was just

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Speaker 7: They take a lot of the data and research behind

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Speaker 7: It was about sixty four percent of fans that were

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Speaker 7: So as you start to break these things down, you

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Speaker 4: But I kind of keep going going back to this is.

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Speaker 7: They're talking about it because it will grab people's attention

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Speaker 7: at how they're creating something to talk about on TV

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Speaker 7: this time of year when there's not much to talk about,

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Speaker 7: this stuff gets thrown in there and then someone takes

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Speaker 7: a passionate take like that where you're going, dude, this

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Speaker 7: is this completely unnecessary, and it just it feels like

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Speaker 7: for some reason, you know, people feel like they need

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Speaker 7: to do this and they don't. Shador has handled himself

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Speaker 7: with the exception of you know, speeding, you know, he's

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Speaker 7: handled himself exactly how you'd hoped he would and settle

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Speaker 7: the right things and done all the right things. And

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Speaker 7: you know, even for people at issues with how he

449
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Speaker 7: conducted himself in Colorado, he it's not like he was

450
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Speaker 7: popped for doing you know, bad stuff off the field,

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Speaker 7: just because he's got a different way of showcasing his

452
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Speaker 7: brand and showcasing himself, especially when he has success, so

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Speaker 7: I don't feel like there's any issue there at all,

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Speaker 7: And it's almost like people are trying to stir up

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Speaker 7: an issue or create an issue out of nothing when

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Speaker 7: we haven't even got to a game yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be one.

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Speaker 1: Dang, I mean this is sports talk radio. Oh oh,

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Speaker 1: you're kind Is that Lewis Dang run DMC was before

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Speaker 1: their time?

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Speaker 2: Brad?

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Speaker 6: Did you just say that was Lewis Riddick.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I was saying like, this is like like to him,

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Speaker 2: this is like the message to him.

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Speaker 5: That's why I asked Lorna to play the song.

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Speaker 6: You know he's got a full time man. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 6: that old school hip hop right here. I love this song.

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Speaker 6: from now here on FSR SO I don't know what

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Speaker 6: to do with this, because I thought that this was

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Speaker 6: just a well, you know, this just happens periodically, but

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Speaker 6: no big deal. And it feels like it gets worse

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Speaker 6: every single offseason and especially during training camp, to where

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Speaker 6: you've got people keeping stats, people keeping score in training

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Speaker 6: camp at some of these practices, and somebody who has

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Speaker 6: had the numbers come out and they haven't looked all

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Speaker 6: that great has been Justin Fields. He started off training

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Speaker 6: camp with the toe injury, he came back, and I

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Speaker 6: guess apparently this week it's been been a little bit

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Speaker 6: rough for Justin Fields there. So I'm not sure what

510
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Speaker 6: to do with this information because none of it counts

511
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Speaker 6: towards what he's going to do in the preseason or

512
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Speaker 6: the regular season. But apparently this is just now the norm,

513
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Speaker 6: and this is the way this stuff is being covered.

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Speaker 6: And I always go back to this when people in

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Speaker 6: the media got pissed because you know, a few years back,

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Speaker 6: coaches said close practice to the media, we don't want

517
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Speaker 6: you doing this like teams were doing that. This might

518
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Speaker 6: be the reason why, because now Justin Fields and others

519
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Speaker 6: have got to sit up there and answer questions as

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Speaker 6: to why they went, you know, nine of sixteen in

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Speaker 6: a two minute drill or whatever it was during a

522
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Speaker 6: training camp practice. And I don't know if this is

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Speaker 6: just the way this is going to be now, especially

524
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Speaker 6: with the coverage that the NFL gets. But if it is,

525
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Speaker 6: you guys, tell me make something of it or not

526
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Speaker 6: make something of it. A guy struggling a training camp,

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Speaker 6: I thought, that's where the scene is supposed to happen.

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Speaker 4: I don't make anything of it.

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Speaker 7: He's in a new team, in a new system, with

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Speaker 7: an offensive coordinator in Tanner inkstrand that's that's the first

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Speaker 7: time calling plays.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of newness there, a lot of

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Speaker 4: first I guess you could say.

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Speaker 7: And honestly, the thing about Justin Field is one of

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Speaker 7: his most special attributes is his athleticism. That's not going

536
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Speaker 7: to show up during the course of training camp until

537
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Speaker 7: you really get to games because he's not live.

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Speaker 4: You know, when he is able to take off and

539
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Speaker 4: run and impact defenses with his legs.

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Speaker 7: And very similar to what LeVar said a little bit

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Speaker 7: ago about game planning for a quarterback, you know, it's

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Speaker 7: going to change the complexity of how defense is playing.

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Speaker 4: It's going to change.

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Speaker 7: Everything you know in training camp, when those guys are alive,

545
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Speaker 7: they don't have to worry about trying to bring that

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Speaker 7: guy down.

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Speaker 4: So I look at it and say, is it concerning.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe to a degree, but it's practice, Like, if

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Speaker 7: he's gonna make mistakes, you got to figure out, like

550
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Speaker 7: when's that gonna happen. You'd rather be in practice training

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Speaker 7: camp before actual games that matter. And if he's going

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Speaker 7: to be your guy this season, which all indications are

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Speaker 7: he's going to be the guy, then I would give

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Speaker 7: him a little bit of the benefit.

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Speaker 4: Of the doubt.

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Speaker 7: So to me, it's an overreaction, And I just I

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Speaker 7: hate the fact that in our media there's not an

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Speaker 7: understanding of that you have to fail in order to

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Speaker 7: learn and improve and get better. And anyone who's been

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Speaker 7: to the top of the mountain or anyone who's played

561
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Speaker 7: at a professional level will tell you that, like, you

562
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Speaker 7: learn more from the experiences when you lose and you

563
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Speaker 7: make mistakes than you do from when you succeed, And

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Speaker 7: so going through those mistakes and that time of learning

565
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Speaker 7: is helpful for you to continue to build. And so

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Speaker 7: the problem is right now they get a sneak peek

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Speaker 7: into that building process. That learning process, and they make

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Speaker 7: it sound like a negative thing and running reality, you know,

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Speaker 7: he's just trying to learn this offense. He's just trying

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Speaker 7: to develop chemistry with the guys he's throwing to. That's

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Speaker 7: all part of the process here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at preseason, some of the

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Speaker 1: best teams don't have very very productive preseasons. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I recall New England wasn't very good in preseason. But

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Speaker 1: you get to a regular season, you can't you can't

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Speaker 1: mess with them. So I would say preseason obviously is

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Speaker 1: a dress rehearsal and audition for your team. If you're

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Speaker 1: a starter, if you're an established vet, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: just you, you know, going through the dress rehearsals of

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Speaker 1: preparing yourself for the regular season. If you're someone who

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Speaker 1: is a journeyman trying to make a you know, make

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Speaker 1: a roster. If you're an undrafted guy. If you're a

583
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Speaker 1: drafted guy, you're you're auditioning everything you do and you

584
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Speaker 1: get an opportunity to put on film, you're giving yourself

585
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Speaker 1: more of an opportunity to say, my resume or my

586
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Speaker 1: body of work gives me this, this opportunity to get

587
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Speaker 1: this roster spot. If an injury takes place, if somebody unexpectedly,

588
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Speaker 1: you know, has something take place and they're not available,

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Speaker 1: that's preseason, and so I don't I don't think that

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Speaker 1: preseason should be used to say, Okay, this guy is

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent going to be the starter. I've seen guys.

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Speaker 1: I remember one year, I forget the dude's name. It

593
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Speaker 1: was a running back for Washington, and I mean he

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Speaker 1: crushed it in preseason, like everybody loved them. They were

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Speaker 1: like on his I mean they were on his train.

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Speaker 3: Was it was it Al Morris?

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Speaker 1: It might have been Alfred Morris and he ended up

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Speaker 1: he ended up getting an opportunity to play as well.

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Speaker 1: I want to say it was Alfred Morris. He was

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Speaker 1: killing it in preseason, but it didn't actually kind of

601
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Speaker 1: lead up to him. It was a different guy. It

602
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Speaker 1: wasn't Al for Morris. It was it was a more

603
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Speaker 1: obscure name. The point is is that you could have

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Speaker 1: one of the most phenomenal, most most productive preseasons that

605
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Speaker 1: a player would have and still find yourself having the

606
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Speaker 1: clear waivers. You'll end up getting a pink slip just

607
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Speaker 1: because it's a numbers game. Like Okay, Emmitt Smith is

608
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Speaker 1: in the backfield. You put up down there one thousand

609
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Speaker 1: yards of rushing in the preseason, you're still going to

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Speaker 1: be looking for a job or be the backup. So

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that you can quantify production

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Speaker 1: or lack thereof in the preseason and make that the

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Speaker 1: correlation of if a player is going to play well

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Speaker 1: in the regular season, or even what their their position

615
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Speaker 1: on the depth chart will be on the right or

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Speaker 1: if even if they're on the roster to begin with.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that that's what what happens in

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Speaker 1: the preseason. Yeah, I'm trying to find this running back

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Speaker 1: ran for Washington. Well, it would have been like oh nine,

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Speaker 1: maybe two thousand and ten, maybe maybe before then, but

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Speaker 1: not a white I know.

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Speaker 4: What you're saying.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't though.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we had a We had a wide receiver in

625
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Speaker 7: twenty thirteen with the Seahawks named Stephen Williams. And Stephen

626
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Speaker 7: was a legit deep ball threat, like I really thought,

627
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Speaker 7: and that's the year obviously Seattle went on to win

628
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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. I really thought he was going to

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Speaker 7: play more of a factor on the roster in regards

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Speaker 7: to just the downfield a game now, mind you. You know,

631
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Speaker 7: you had guys like Jermaine Curse. He had other players

632
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Speaker 7: like Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, really really good you know

633
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Speaker 7: receivers on that roster who stepped up that year. But

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Speaker 7: I think he was averaging like over thirty yards of

635
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Speaker 7: catch that preseason and he had probably you know, three

636
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Speaker 7: touchdown receptions. And it was one of those deals like

637
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Speaker 7: I was in a quarterback battle with Tavaris Jackson and

638
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Speaker 7: God rest his soul, by the way, and you know

639
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Speaker 7: the biggest difference between like our quarterback competition was he

640
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Speaker 7: just got to throw a couple more deep balls to

641
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Speaker 7: Steven Williams, like like the one time I get through it,

642
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Speaker 7: it's a touchdown catch that you know, a couple of

643
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Speaker 7: times he got through it's touchdown catches. Like he was

644
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Speaker 7: so good tracking the ball, you know, beating defenders downfield.

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Speaker 7: But to your point, it never ended up translating to

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Speaker 7: the regular season. And it was always crazy to me,

647
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Speaker 7: like why that was the case, only because he was

648
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Speaker 7: so good, you know, during his time, But you know,

649
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Speaker 7: that's that's how it works out.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes.

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Speaker 7: I think that year he might have bat a little

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Speaker 7: bit of injuries too, when he when he was in

653
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Speaker 7: the active roster. But that's that's why again you can't

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Speaker 7: look too much into a lot of what happens in

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Speaker 7: training camp in preseason. I mean again, I recall a

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Speaker 7: time when we came out and we're and you know

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Speaker 7: how you do, like you know those boots right, and

658
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Speaker 7: you've talked about before, LeVar, what's the acronym that you

659
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Speaker 7: guys talk about on the defensive side on like a

660
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 7: bootleg CBR, CBR cutback boot reverse. Yeah, so right, So

661
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Speaker 7: a quarterback boots and you typically have like three options.

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Speaker 7: You have a flat right, you got your flat control

663
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Speaker 7: on the backside, and see their tight end full back,

664
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Speaker 7: a tight end sliding across, could be a wide receiver

665
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 7: sliding underneath, going the opposite way. You know, if you're

666
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 7: fake left, when you're rolling right, you've got your over

667
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Speaker 7: out again by a wide receiver tight ends about ten

668
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Speaker 7: and twelve yards, you know, could be up to fifteen

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Speaker 7: depending on the defense coming across as well. And then

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Speaker 7: the third layer of that is usually a deep comeback

671
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Speaker 7: at about eighteen to twenty yards depending on the system.

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Speaker 7: Now you're going to read that you know, low to high,

673
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Speaker 7: meaning that flat to the over to the comeback. I'm

674
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Speaker 7: not gonna adjust, but there's always on the backside of

675
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Speaker 7: the play this deep post. And the deep post is

676
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Speaker 7: to hold a middlefield safety because that middlefield safety can

677
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 7: cut that crosser. And then sometimes you're sol and you

678
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 7: don't have anyone to really go to. So I remember

679
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Speaker 7: one time during price, Pete was like, hey, have you

680
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Speaker 7: ever thrown that backside post. I'm like no, and you know,

681
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Speaker 7: Russ looks over and the like no, They're like, we'll.

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Speaker 4: Try to throw it today. And basically he was like,

683
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Speaker 4: if you get time to boot and roll out, test

684
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Speaker 4: our defense to see if they cut the crosser, which

685
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Speaker 4: that defense, you know, with dan Quinn's defense cordinator would.

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Speaker 7: He's like, throw that backside corner, excuse me, post, because

687
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Speaker 7: that corner is not gonna be able to cover all

688
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Speaker 7: that space.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to be inside that corner because he's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna be inside, and there's gonna be no one in

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Speaker 4: the middle of.

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Speaker 1: The field because that center's I mean, that corner is

693
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Speaker 1: waiting for something to come back across, right, you know,

694
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Speaker 1: so they're going to I.

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Speaker 7: Remember, like Russ, Russ got an opportunity to, like I

696
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 7: never really during practice. I don't know that Tavares did either,

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Speaker 7: but it's one of those examples of if someone.

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Speaker 4: Was watching casually, they'd be like, oh my gosh, what

699
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 4: a plan.

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Speaker 7: Really, all we were doing was keeping the defense honest,

701
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 7: like we were showing them, Hey, man, if we get

702
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 7: out there with some time, like, we're gonna look at

703
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 7: that like that's not just like a run for the

704
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 7: love of the game route to keep the middlefield safety

705
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Speaker 7: off there. If you guys want to cut that crosser

706
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 7: and you guys just want to have that middlefield safety

707
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Speaker 7: and come out of the middle of the field and

708
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 7: take away that ten to twelve fifteen yard over out

709
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Speaker 7: like we're gonna go ahead, and then replace that with

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Speaker 7: a deep post for a touchdown. And that's really what

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00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 7: it was about. So it's just it's interesting to me,

712
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 7: how again, you get so many people who've got opinions

713
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 7: on stats and things like this, and they don't know

714
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 7: even what's being said in between periods, in between practice from.

715
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Speaker 4: Day to day.

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Speaker 3: Roy helu that might be it talking about that might

717
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Speaker 3: be it.

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Speaker 6: It'd be so much easier if he was white, if

719
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 6: you just said white running back that he was.

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Speaker 3: I don't know Helou had a really good preseason. That

721
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Speaker 3: might be it.

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Speaker 1: There's there might be another one, though, I feel like

723
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Speaker 1: there's another name. He freaking crushed it in preseason Ryan

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Speaker 1: Terrain Terrain. It might be terrain Ryan Terrain. That sounds

725
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Speaker 1: about right now. That's the name. Big Back, Big Big.

726
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Speaker 1: Like he ran so well in the preseason, everybody's like, oh,

727
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: he's a shoe in ah did he Did he even

728
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: make the roster? They might have cut him.

729
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 6: Well, he led the he led Washington in rushing in

730
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Speaker 6: twenty ten.

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Speaker 3: I believe it's possible. I mean he did end up playing.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

733
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Speaker 1: You put yourself in position to get a job. If

734
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Speaker 1: somebody gets injured, like, they will bring you back if

735
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Speaker 1: you're if you're not on somebody else's team. That's generally

736
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Speaker 1: you know why you want to play well. But that

737
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Speaker 1: does not correlate to you heading towards having an all

738
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Speaker 1: pro season or bus season. It does not lead to

739
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Speaker 1: you getting on the roster or even a starting job

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Speaker 1: if you play or losing it.

741
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: Like, it's not what preseason is.

742
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 6: Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Brady Quinn Jonas

744
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 6: Knox with you. Coming up next though, we are going

745
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 6: to tell you about whether or not there's cause for

746
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 6: concern with this other quarterback. We're talking about a Super

747
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Speaker 6: Bowl champion right here on FSR two pros and a

748
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Speaker 6: cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington Brady Quinn

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Speaker 6: Jonas knocks with you here coming up top of next

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Speaker 6: hour a little over ten minutes from now, Big night

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Speaker 6: in the NFL. If you don't believe us, join us

752
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 6: ten minutes from now we'll explain why here on FSR. See,

753
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: you guys are going to be trusted here to tell

754
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 6: us whether or not there is cause for concern for

755
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 6: somebody in the NFL. Ye, and that's somebody is Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 6: All right, So, according to Ian Rappaport, Matthew Staffords not

757
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 6: taking part in training camp practices for the Rams, And

758
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 6: according to Ian Rappaport of the NFL, he's dealing with

759
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 6: an aggravated disc and has received an epidural in his

760
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 6: back to help him deal with it. The Rams have

761
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Speaker 6: called him week to week. They're being cautious, but they

762
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 6: do have plans on him to be ready for Week

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Speaker 6: one against the ten I'll just say.

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Speaker 3: You need a bachiotomy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I you know, look, deuble disc issues in my back,

766
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 7: had surgery, tried epidurals. You know, we'll probably need a

767
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 7: fusion later on in life. But I'm kind of able

768
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 7: to push through now, like this is a band aid

769
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Speaker 7: onto an issue that he will most likely need surgery

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Speaker 7: on at some point, whether it be this season or

771
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Speaker 7: after he's done playing. But that's typically how it works

772
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Speaker 7: when you're a rotational athlete. And my guess is that

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Speaker 7: it's somewhere between the lumbar part of a spine and

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Speaker 7: the sacred part of a spine.

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Speaker 4: So L four H five L five S one.

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Speaker 7: You ask, any rotational athlete could be a you know,

777
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 7: baseball player, pitcher, hitter, golfer, football throat, you know, anything

778
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 7: that's that's Those are the areas that are largely going

779
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: to be impacted as a rotational athlete, and you know,

780
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 7: for him, it's going to impact everything. And the one

781
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Speaker 7: of the reasons why he's doing probably so little right now,

782
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 7: and then why they're giving him the epidurals. They want

783
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 7: to reduce the inflammation because he's experiencing pain. You know,

784
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 7: it feels like there's a string connected from his back

785
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 7: all the way down one of his legs. That's one

786
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 7: way you feel it. Or he's maybe got more symptoms

787
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 7: where your leg goes numb altogether. Yeah, and it feels

788
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 7: like your legs asleep. So hope he gets through it.

789
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Speaker 4: Hope they can get him healthy to the season and

790
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: actually able to play games.

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Speaker 1: That ssiatic nerve is it called sciatica or whatever, When

792
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: when your your back is jacked up so bad, it

793
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: starts to squeeze that nerve and then that's when your

794
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: whole foot and your legs starts burning and all kinds

795
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: of like you almost get like drop foot, you know, right.

796
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Speaker 4: I I dealt with that. I still did.

797
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So one thing that could help with that, though, LeVar, Yeah,

799
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Speaker 4: is good sleep. It starts with a good mattress.

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Speaker 7: sleep easy. That's awesome.

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Speaker 6: Brings a tear to my e make that back feel better,

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Speaker 6: tear to my that's a radio professional right there, proud

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Speaker 6: of you man,