Speaker 1: And I got you guys back. I figured it out nice.
Speaker 1: You never lost us, You never lost us.
Speaker 2: We were actually carrying you all along, Jody, those times
Speaker 2: when there was only one set of footsteps, that was
Speaker 2: Miles and me carrying you. Miles was carrying me, and
Speaker 2: then I was carrying you like like children stacked in
Speaker 2: a trench coat.
Speaker 3: Is that like the closest thing to like a Jesus
Speaker 3: human centipede. There's multiple people carrying each other like on
Speaker 3: a beach.
Speaker 4: The video, the video is running some weird Jesus clip.
Speaker 2: That's right. Every time we get on video, it's his week.
Speaker 2: It's his week. You know that's right.
Speaker 4: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three eighty four, Episode.
Speaker 2: Three of Deadly Guy. Yeah, production of iHeartRadio. That's right,
Speaker 2: I'm back. I'm back baby.
Speaker 4: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 4: into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, April sixteenth, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five. That can't be right, Miles, Yeah, it is, Miles,
Speaker 4: it can't be right.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: I know you're experiencing a severe time dilation via jetlag,
Speaker 3: but it also is April sixteenth. Shout out all the
Speaker 3: banana lovers. It's your day, but the tariffs might fuck
Speaker 3: up the prices. National Banana Day. It's also National bean
Speaker 3: Counter Day, because I think this is for all the
Speaker 3: CPAs out there get they get to relax, as it were,
Speaker 3: since Tax Day was yesterday, National Orchid Day, National Healthcare
Speaker 3: Decisions Day, National where your Pajamas to Workday? There it
Speaker 3: is April sixteenth, fuck man, Oh ex Benedict Day too.
Speaker 3: If you like X Benigs Benny's.
Speaker 2: NAT's your day too, baby. That's the only Bennies I
Speaker 2: care about. I just want my job to give me
Speaker 2: eggs Benedict.
Speaker 3: And what about the Bennies Oh Benetes, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: you know egg Benedict.
Speaker 2: Uh, I guess anyways. My name is Jack O'Brien aka
Speaker 2: Ma Mar Mar. He's one shitty old white that's a
Speaker 2: once bitten, twice shy Great White aka from House Yon Salad,
Speaker 2: Great White. Wows You ever listen to Great White? Do
Speaker 2: you remember them? They were probably little before you Wait,
Speaker 2: didn't they have that concert all those people that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was kind of their main thing.
Speaker 3: That's that's only I'm like, dad, that's the concert.
Speaker 1: After that, which.
Speaker 3: You're like, dude, Now we're talking death metal. That's fucking
Speaker 3: rock and roll right there.
Speaker 2: What a tragedy.
Speaker 1: But also the idea that if you it's only your
Speaker 1: age that determines whether you were a huge Great White
Speaker 1: fan or not, the assumption being anyone over the age
Speaker 1: of a certain age was gonna be all on board.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly if you had if you're around,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if you had good taste or bad.
Speaker 1: Everyone was white.
Speaker 2: I was both very temporarily into metal and also into sharks,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even fuck with Great White that's how
Speaker 2: good they were anyways, house he on Salad on the Discord.
Speaker 2: In reference to the news that just broke that, Bill
Speaker 2: Maher sucks. I leave the country for two weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I come back, hero. Bill Maher says, Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: his friend.
Speaker 3: I know, well, at least at least the tattoo you
Speaker 3: got him his face you can kind of look more
Speaker 3: like a Jigsaw from Saw if you kind of altered
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just turned it into a dog and dog. Is
Speaker 2: that what Sylvester Stallone did? Yeah? Yeah, Wait, what did
Speaker 2: Sylvester salone do? I think Sylvester Stallone had had a
Speaker 2: tattoo of one of his Axes turned into a dog
Speaker 2: like his current dog. Hell yeah dog a dog in
Speaker 2: him anyways. Thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 2: co host, mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 5: Yeah, rightful, co host seeds Miles great aka, ain't no lunchtime, Dean,
Speaker 5: only if I'm set on my plate.
Speaker 2: Ain't no lunch time, Guan. And this risis all a load.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll have some Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Okay,
Speaker 2: shout out Salvador Jolly there look, yes, prop was on.
Speaker 3: We were talking about Filipino cuisine and there it is,
Speaker 3: Salvador Jolly.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that wonderful aka swish on performances on
Speaker 2: the writing execution. Thank god. I'm just trying to keep
Speaker 2: my job from trying to keep my job, trying to
Speaker 2: keep my job.
Speaker 1: That is in your quarter. Put an eggs better in
Speaker 1: front of you and ask you to sing. And if
Speaker 1: you hit THEE and I'm like, and what about money?
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no, singer Bill Withers song,
Speaker 2: Oh you can eat buffets. Miles. We're thrilled to be
Speaker 2: joined in our third seat, yes by a podcaster extraordinary
Speaker 2: French for extraordinary, that's not right. You know him from
Speaker 2: this Day in Esoteric Political History on Radio Toopia. He's
Speaker 2: also hosted thirty for thirty on ESPN, the five thirty
Speaker 2: eight politics podcast. Lead producer on the Puzzler. You know him,
Speaker 2: you love him, folks, It's Jody E.
Speaker 4: Regad.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And you know what, Jack, I've
Speaker 1: made your life a little easier going forward. We changed
Speaker 1: the name of the show from This Day in Esotech
Speaker 1: Political History to just this Day because I was sick of,
Speaker 1: in part, saying the very long name over and over
Speaker 1: and over. This day the show is called this Day. Oh,
Speaker 1: let me tell you about it?
Speaker 2: Which one this exactly?
Speaker 1: Well, that's the question we try and answer. But anyway,
Speaker 1: it is a thrill to be back with the two.
Speaker 2: Great to have you. Well, we're thrilled to have you. Jody.
Speaker 2: Have you been other than shortening the title of your
Speaker 2: podcast is mainly what you've been up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took it took a lot. We have to
Speaker 1: go letter by letter, pull the trigger on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been thinking about shortened the name of this
Speaker 4: one just to the daily.
Speaker 2: What do we think that the other one that's true?
Speaker 2: Bar borrow?
Speaker 1: Yeah did it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were in and then we were like, I
Speaker 4: guess the New York Times is trying to get in
Speaker 4: on the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how this goes. Yeah, yeah, it goes.
Speaker 1: How do the two of you answer the how are
Speaker 1: you doing? Question? Do you have an elegant way to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Aside from all of that stuff, here's an.
Speaker 3: Actually I do because my house burned down the fire,
Speaker 3: So I do that all things consider me n PR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing okay, all things considered on n p R.
Speaker 2: Terry gross. My house.
Speaker 1: Considered a lot. I do the like asterix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I honestly just I've just been I've just
Speaker 3: become more honest. I just go honestly not good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then you know then people go, yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: It's I think more people and to be like no,
Speaker 3: I get I feel that.
Speaker 2: I feel that. Then when you're like, yeah, yeah I'm fine,
Speaker 2: I'm fine. You know, shit's fucked, there we go. I
Speaker 2: just usually I usually spell thriving out in all caps.
Speaker 2: That is what That's how I answer that. All right, Jody,
Speaker 2: we're thrilled to have you. We're gonna get to know
Speaker 2: you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
Speaker 2: going to tell the listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 2: we're talking about today. It's just gonna be you know,
Speaker 2: catch him up on what I missed. Sounds like, uh, JD.
Speaker 2: Vance is bad at picking up football trophy object. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not only does it look like he's never hoisted a trophy,
Speaker 2: it looks like he's never picked up a thing before.
Speaker 1: Or with human beings, Yeah, human beings.
Speaker 2: Your physical objects.
Speaker 3: He has like it showed that he's kind of used to,
Speaker 3: like gesturing at something for a servant to do it,
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, would you mind moving that?
Speaker 2: Thank you? And then obviously anytime he tries to work
Speaker 2: with the servant catastrophically. All right, we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the latest trend in masculinity,
Speaker 2: which is getting your eyelashes edged up, edged off.
Speaker 1: You have really found some gems for today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, masculinity and crisis.
Speaker 2: JD.
Speaker 3: Vans can't lift object, man can't have eyelash or woman.
Speaker 2: That's right, all that plenty more. But first, Jody, we
Speaker 2: do like to ask our guest, what is something that
Speaker 2: you have been searching on this bean counter day? What
Speaker 2: what's something from your search history? Oh, you are knowing
Speaker 2: about who you are.
Speaker 1: Well recently in my search history. So I have a
Speaker 1: show that I just launched. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: been on since I launched a show. I launched a
Speaker 1: music show called Summer Album, Winter Album, which I'm very
Speaker 1: excited about. I should have you guys on at some point.
Speaker 1: But the premise is that all albums are either summer
Speaker 1: albums or winter albums. I sull agree, and then we
Speaker 1: take favorite albums of ours and debate. And so I
Speaker 1: was chatting with my co host, is this guy, Craig Finn,
Speaker 1: who was the lead singer of the band to the
Speaker 1: Wold Steady and just a fantastic musician, very thoughtful guy.
Speaker 1: We were chatting yesterday about his new album and I
Speaker 1: was trying to get him to classify it as a
Speaker 1: summer album or winter album. And we were talking about
Speaker 1: some of the influences, and we were talking about Tom
Speaker 1: Petty's album Dan the Torpedoes, which is a great album,
Speaker 1: and he said was a big influence on his new record,
Speaker 1: and he mentioned his favorite Tom Petty song, and I
Speaker 1: had this moment where I was like, Oh, this is great.
Speaker 1: I'm going to trot out this line that I've had
Speaker 1: for a while about my favorite Tom Petty song, which
Speaker 1: is a little more obscure, and it's one of those
Speaker 1: moments that I like to have where I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what actually is the best Tom Petty song?
Speaker 1: It's this one, and I could not conjur it. In
Speaker 1: that moment, I was like, fuck me, like not only
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I do genuinely like the song,
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't remember the name of it.
Speaker 2: Any lower exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a balling So in real time I was trying
Speaker 1: to like remember what it was. I couldn't, so I
Speaker 1: didn't throw that anecdote in there. I didn't get my little, like,
Speaker 1: you know, music nerd moment, and then I spent the
Speaker 1: afternoon trying to remember and google and.
Speaker 2: Name of your favorite Tom Petty song.
Speaker 1: My favorite I'm pretty so literally in my short history
Speaker 1: it says like Tom Petty song that has you in
Speaker 1: the title, because I'm almost positive that has the word
Speaker 1: you in it, but none of the someones that came
Speaker 1: up have the word you. So I feel like an
Speaker 1: idiot for this.
Speaker 2: What about you don't know how it feels? Or that
Speaker 2: was just called how it feels?
Speaker 1: No, that's called you don't know how it feels and
Speaker 1: that I think, and that's a great song, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the one, and I just couldn't. I
Speaker 1: listened to every Tom Petty song that has you in
Speaker 1: the title, and I was like, maybe this isn't it.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, maybe my little anecdote isn't about
Speaker 1: Tom Petty. Maybe it's some other artists who I like
Speaker 1: this little like that's my actually the best song. And
Speaker 1: I just tied myself in knots. And then I had
Speaker 1: a moment where I was like, how wonderful is it
Speaker 1: that I can still have these moments where like information
Speaker 1: is just I can't access it. It's just not there.
Speaker 1: I can search, I can go online, like how I
Speaker 1: mean it used to be the case. It used to
Speaker 1: be the case when you couldn't remember something. You just
Speaker 1: kind of like that was it, that was your life.
Speaker 1: You didn't know that.
Speaker 2: It's just such a funny moment to me. Do you
Speaker 2: think it's because Google uses AI now and Google sucks
Speaker 2: or you I.
Speaker 1: Tried a I too that.
Speaker 2: I'm buddy.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that many albums, So I looked at
Speaker 1: every single I mean, I spent a lot of the
Speaker 1: afternoon doing this, I looked at every single song and
Speaker 1: I and and that's where I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: this little thing of mine isn't about Tom Petty. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's some other artists, but.
Speaker 2: About something deep inside Jody. Maybe that's what this whole
Speaker 2: thing early that fear constantly it was the words, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, fuck, here it goes.
Speaker 1: I love it. There was like, there's there's information out
Speaker 1: there that I can't actually with the internet, even with
Speaker 1: the Internet work my way towards and I was and
Speaker 1: I've come to be at peace with that. And actually
Speaker 1: it's kind of lovely.
Speaker 3: I love the idea that you're talking about Tom Petty
Speaker 3: with somebody and then it's kind of like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I love Petty too. You know my favorite that's a
Speaker 3: great one, but the best one. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: which one?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Know, but I just like it playing out like that
Speaker 4: Wiley coyote out over the Grand.
Speaker 2: And you know the one that I really love is
Speaker 2: just full sweat, which one man, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I love to hear.
Speaker 2: The premise for your new podcast is so good. I
Speaker 2: do need to hear some examples, and I also want
Speaker 2: to I'm a hold. I'm specifically a big fan of
Speaker 2: the whole Steady album Sepration Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great album.
Speaker 2: Is that a winter or a summer album?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's interesting, Well start doesn't that start with the song
Speaker 1: constructive Summer? But Craig has talked on our show about
Speaker 1: how with that album. We haven't done that as a
Speaker 1: proper episode, but he's he's mentioned that album a few
Speaker 1: times in that For musicians sometimes when you know, if
Speaker 1: you record an album in the dead of winter, but
Speaker 1: then you're touring it in the summer, so there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways in which it could be
Speaker 1: imprinted on your head. And that's the kind of like
Speaker 1: thing I love about this show is just like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of different ways in which an album
Speaker 1: could be coded for you as summer or winter, and
Speaker 1: is it something about your experience or is it something
Speaker 1: about intrinsic in the album itself? And so we kind
Speaker 1: of like end up exploring a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really it's really fun. It's been very
Speaker 1: fun to.
Speaker 2: Make what's the twopac album? Not All Eyes on Me
Speaker 2: but Me against the World? Is I think it? So? I?
Speaker 2: No album more clearly evokes a time and place for
Speaker 2: me than that album. I just like was listening to
Speaker 2: it NonStop in eighth grade in Kentucky, like right as
Speaker 2: school was getting out and I was going into summer,
Speaker 2: and like I can like still smell like the air
Speaker 2: of that time when I hear that album. But the album,
Speaker 2: when you listen to it is like kind of like
Speaker 2: I feel like it's not really a warm weather album
Speaker 2: based on the music. I've always thought that, like it's
Speaker 2: a it's a weird contrast in that, but I love
Speaker 2: the premise. Great premise for a podcast.
Speaker 1: If you want to come on and argue and argue
Speaker 1: that that's a winter album, I would love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Miles, you have a favorite summer winter album?
Speaker 3: Uh, summer or winter album? I mean I love J
Speaker 3: Dilla's Donuts, and I would say that for me is
Speaker 3: winter just because just the background of the making of
Speaker 3: that album is so like sort of emotional and not
Speaker 3: grim necessarily but tragic that and also just I don't know,
Speaker 3: if I don't know, that album sounds better than Me
Speaker 3: and the Cold too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like Wu Tang albums are
Speaker 2: mainly winter albums for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean when we've talked about we haven't
Speaker 1: done hip hop album yet, but when we do, we've
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about it might be a little trickier,
Speaker 1: especially because it does feel like West Coast. It's hard
Speaker 1: to argue winter and East Coast like Illmatic just you know,
Speaker 1: there's all these New York albums that feel so dead
Speaker 1: of winter, but maybe you know Chicago or Atlanta, you know,
Speaker 1: like those outcast albums. Yeah, I argue that, right, Yeah, Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so so we got to you know, some some albums,
Speaker 1: I mean, most albums, I think you can sort of
Speaker 1: impose this lens on and because a lot of it
Speaker 1: is about your personal experience, but there's some albums where
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like that wouldn't make that interesting
Speaker 1: of a conversation, Like that's pretty clearly a summer album,
Speaker 1: pretty clearly, right.
Speaker 3: B Yeah, I feel like most Golden era New York
Speaker 3: hip hop, it feels the aesthetic is I'm seeing your
Speaker 3: breath as you read.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing I'm wearing the timberlands and the puffy coat and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Jody, what's something you thinks underrated?
Speaker 1: I think ginger chews are underrated, you know, a ginger chew.
Speaker 2: Love ginger chewes.
Speaker 1: You love a ginger chew. I've got a peuple in
Speaker 1: my pocket. I might eat one, it might not not
Speaker 1: maybe not great for that, but okay, So I've been
Speaker 1: obsessed with ginger chews. I've been eating probably like thirty
Speaker 1: a day. And in part, well, so I think they're underrated.
Speaker 1: I think they're on the come up. And in part
Speaker 1: because I like to keep track of what I call
Speaker 1: fancy bodega watch, which is like, what are the things
Speaker 1: that are starting to show up on that one shelf
Speaker 1: in my fancy in the fancy bodega in my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you know, is that one cooler and that one shelf
Speaker 1: by the checkout that are always seemed to be rotating
Speaker 1: and stuff seems to be coming in to fashion and
Speaker 1: out of fashion, like the cooler. I would love to
Speaker 1: do like an oral history of like that one cooler
Speaker 1: that's seen it all. It's like I live through the
Speaker 1: vitamin water days. I live for the coconut water days.
Speaker 1: Now it's Arizona, the Arizona tea, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: now it's like those electrolyte drinks and the Celsius you know,
Speaker 1: had a moment and then the on the on the shelf,
Speaker 1: I noticed, just like a couple of weeks ago, it
Speaker 1: just felt like they took down. I think it was
Speaker 1: like all the plantain ships disappeared and the ginger chees
Speaker 1: moved in and now that's a different kinds of ginger
Speaker 1: to the ginger chee takeover. And it worked on me.
Speaker 1: It worked on me.
Speaker 2: They're they're warming, they're good for your stomach. We we
Speaker 2: have them around a lot because my youngest gets a
Speaker 2: lot of motion sickness, and that's one of the things
Speaker 2: that will give him when he's feeling motion sickness.
Speaker 3: Is there a consumption more like like utilitarian like it's
Speaker 3: it's that it's doing something or it is enjoyable, because
Speaker 3: I feel like every time I've had a ginger chew,
Speaker 3: it's also been like, oh, this will help your stomach
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: great and it's pleasant.
Speaker 2: But then I don't find myself always being like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I need to know the ginger chew.
Speaker 1: Well, if they're around, then you just find yourself eating
Speaker 1: them non stop, and then you can convince yourself, Oh,
Speaker 1: the reason I don't have a stomach ache.
Speaker 2: Right, eight more ginger chewes.
Speaker 1: This morning, but yeah, orange orange flavor one.
Speaker 2: Would be on your fire if I didn't have my
Speaker 2: fourteen ginger choose in my mouth simultaneously right.
Speaker 1: Now, Lemon flavored ginger chews. So they're making varieties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, combine over. We've got a little citrus ginger
Speaker 2: getting down. Any other fancy bodega predictions coming our way?
Speaker 1: I think the Celsius era is over, so I'll be
Speaker 1: curious to see what moves in next.
Speaker 2: That was just because they were just like, here's a
Speaker 2: drink that has two hundred and fifty grams of cat milligrams.
Speaker 1: It was four leuco all over again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wonder if that is a trend that
Speaker 2: we'll keep on for if they'll be like, here's a
Speaker 2: bottle of water and two no dose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a blast.
Speaker 2: What's what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: Well, this one I'm curious your thoughts on. But my
Speaker 1: overrated is uh is maga. So here's here's here's something
Speaker 1: I've been thinking and no, yes, magazines, no, here's what
Speaker 1: they've been thinking about. And I actually would love your
Speaker 1: love your thoughts, but you know, on my history podcast
Speaker 1: this day. We did it episode right before inauguration or
Speaker 1: we were chatting a little bit about kind of the
Speaker 1: present moment, and I said, then, and I think I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I was right. I said then,
Speaker 1: whether I was wondering whether the window between Trump's second
Speaker 1: election and inauguration was the high water mark for the
Speaker 1: kind of cultural cachet for Trump world, and purely in
Speaker 1: a cultural sense, you know, that was when it was
Speaker 1: like felt coolest, felt edgiest, like let's take a chance,
Speaker 1: let's roll the dice, and a lot of people I
Speaker 1: know who voted for Trump, like that was kind of
Speaker 1: the vibe in those last couple of weeks heading into
Speaker 1: the election. You know, it's just like, well, let's let's
Speaker 1: see you know this, this feels this feels cool, which
Speaker 1: I think is a big part of help people make
Speaker 1: political decisions. Uh. And I just feel like in the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, for some maybe for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: just the cool factor is gone.
Speaker 2: I mean it's gone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think a lot of the people
Speaker 1: I know who were the like anti left, heterodox thinker
Speaker 1: t ies who found themselves voting for Trump or at
Speaker 1: least flirting with that, like they're kind of horrified by
Speaker 1: what Musk is doing and then more by what happened
Speaker 1: to their portfolios over the last few weeks. But you know,
Speaker 1: like some guy went on Joe Rogan and like kind
Speaker 1: of called him out and was like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Like I'm just seeing like the cracks seem to be
Speaker 1: forming in a way from a cultural sense, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say that, like the real war fallout
Speaker 1: of Maga World is not real, but the cool factor
Speaker 1: seems to be disappearing. And the sort of knockoff to
Speaker 1: this is I've also been thinking about how like Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg looks like the biggest dufist in the world, Like
Speaker 1: that guy no one has ever bought high more than
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, like showing up in that chain and talking
Speaker 1: about mastering energy like at the very very very peak
Speaker 1: moment that I feel like the wind started shifting two
Speaker 1: weeks later and I just look back at it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, like you really you're you're what
Speaker 1: a torque?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was like flirting, he was getting
Speaker 2: into UFC. The the evolution of zuck The thing you
Speaker 2: got to understand about the evolution of Zuck is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second he did joined the JITs mob, it
Speaker 3: was over when he got into jiu jitsu.
Speaker 2: You're the mob now.
Speaker 3: I don't know now masculinity and crisis perhaps, but.
Speaker 2: He'll just switch back. I mean he'll be He'll probably
Speaker 2: be and this is a controversial take, billionaire will probably
Speaker 2: be fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like the vibes have shifted? Am? I? Am?
Speaker 1: I is this wishful thinking of my part?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think just from watching I mean I
Speaker 3: think just the last few weeks with the tariffs. I
Speaker 3: think it's especially been pronounced because a lot of the influencers,
Speaker 3: especially online, who were like, yeah, man.
Speaker 2: It's Trump baby, let's do this.
Speaker 3: Because right after the election, everyone got their bump and
Speaker 3: their crypto and stuff, and all these mouthpieces that like
Speaker 3: the Dave Portnoy's and the Aiden Rosses of it all
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, dude, this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: And then then came reality and now all these guys
Speaker 3: like what the fuck is going on? And I think
Speaker 3: that's that's like that. I think that's like sort of
Speaker 3: the first layer. Then I also think like the tesla
Speaker 3: of it all has also brought to the surface, like
Speaker 3: this idea that suddenly now the sort of ideology that
Speaker 3: was screaming about how dumb electronic electric vehicles are are
Speaker 3: suddenly like caping for them and being like the Cybertrup's
Speaker 3: actually really sick. It's just like you see a lot
Speaker 3: of these, like even comedians online and we're like, dude,
Speaker 3: this the truck fucking sucks. It looks stupid, Like why
Speaker 3: are people even like pretending so that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I feel like that is like now the
Speaker 2: thing that no.
Speaker 1: But like like what it is, like, what is I
Speaker 1: would love to hear what like theovon really feels like
Speaker 1: right now, you know, because that guy, clearly, I think,
Speaker 1: was just like, oh this feels cool. All my friends
Speaker 1: are doing this, let me get on board in the
Speaker 1: last few weeks and sort of shit, And I wonder
Speaker 1: if he's just like what he's just a useful what
Speaker 1: I signed up for?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of those guys, you
Speaker 2: know that Pete Davidson character on SNL who's just like
Speaker 2: following like the I was like put this on, He's
Speaker 2: like okay, then yeah, okay, just like says okay to
Speaker 2: whatever people are. I feel like that's him. That's like
Speaker 2: Rogan in a lot of cases, like they're just what.
Speaker 2: You put somebody in front of them saying a thing
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, yeah, that's interesting, man, that's interesting
Speaker 2: because yeah, I was doing some research. Yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 3: I think even with THEO Vaughn, like one of his
Speaker 3: recent episodes, I saw a clip from it and they
Speaker 3: were talking about the tariffs, and he was just kind
Speaker 3: of like confused.
Speaker 2: He's like, why would they do? I don't get it.
Speaker 2: He's like, isn't this like bad?
Speaker 3: And before I think a lot of these people who
Speaker 3: would just be like, yeah, everything's good, everything's great, this
Speaker 3: is the way to go, they're now they're kind of
Speaker 3: falling into this bucket. Like at best they're like I'm
Speaker 3: I think he knows what he's doing, but like this
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to me. And then you have the
Speaker 3: people who are like fuck all this I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: seeing less and less of like the people fully come
Speaker 3: out at least and from like that Manisphere area that
Speaker 3: got a lot of attention where they're like, you know,
Speaker 3: this is it, this is this is the way.
Speaker 2: I did have the question heading into this presidency of
Speaker 2: like how are these people who are like edge lords,
Speaker 2: you know, mega fans going to continue to be edge
Speaker 2: lords when Trump is president, Like how they just like
Speaker 2: tune in every day and be like, I think the
Speaker 2: president's doing a good job. I think he's cool, but
Speaker 2: like now, like the presidency's going so.
Speaker 4: Badly that like I feel like maybe they can continue
Speaker 4: to be edge lords because it's like such a counterfactual
Speaker 4: take to be like, yeah, I don't know, I think
Speaker 4: he's doing a great job, but yeah, the degree to
Speaker 4: which they have to whiplash what they support like on
Speaker 4: it from day to day is probably a little bit deflating. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my friend Nicole Hammer, who who's the
Speaker 1: co host on My History show, and it's like a historian,
Speaker 1: but she really watches right wing spaces, bless her heart.
Speaker 1: She listens to like hours of right wing talk and
Speaker 1: sort of watches stuff every day, and she's like, there
Speaker 1: are very few even the like pure uncut maga folks.
Speaker 1: There are very few like defenses of the tariff policy
Speaker 1: and even the doge stuff, and it is entirely do
Speaker 1: you trust Trump? Like that is this that is the
Speaker 1: safe hit? Yeah, still left, and I mean that's pretty powerful,
Speaker 1: you know, And so it might still work. But but
Speaker 1: even that doesn't feel like like Trump's cool and doesn't
Speaker 1: it feel great to own the libs Like that is
Speaker 1: just seems to have.
Speaker 2: Evaporated or it's it's definitely diminishing return.
Speaker 1: And so who knows. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means for coming next, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: the pendulum swings all the way back to you know,
Speaker 1: the EI is cool, but uh, you know, but it is.
Speaker 1: That's that's uh, that's my that's my overrated I think like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean megas, I'm buying low on Mega. I think they're
Speaker 2: going through a rough patch, but buying the dip that day, Well,
Speaker 2: that's because I am buying that dip by that man
Speaker 2: load one up. There we go.
Speaker 1: Let they put a ginger chew in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 2: come back and talk about JD. Vance and his ability
Speaker 2: to pick up physical objects. We'll be right back, and
Speaker 2: we're back. We're back, and JD. Vance, if if he
Speaker 2: had ever watched a football game, might have noted that
Speaker 2: what he did yesterday was a bit of a fumble,
Speaker 2: A bit of a fumble. Ruski on his behalf but
Speaker 2: this is I mean, it was a big moment for him.
Speaker 2: He's famous Ohio native, his Ohio State Buckeyes won the
Speaker 2: National football championship and it's everything came together. He was
Speaker 2: there to greet them at the White House and pretty
Speaker 2: much nailed it right. I didn't I didn't see the
Speaker 2: video of that actual Well.
Speaker 3: We'll pull up this Zapruder film in a moment, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, what better way for the the Ohio State
Speaker 3: buck guys to celebrate their championship then to go meet
Speaker 3: two dipshits who know nothing about football and Trump and Vance.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that was great for them, But I think
Speaker 3: one thing about JD.
Speaker 2: Vance is his near.
Speaker 3: Cosmic ability to self own whenever there are cameras around,
Speaker 3: and this occasion was no different. So like when you
Speaker 3: will he'll hear this clip, the Marine Corps band is
Speaker 3: like squeaking out, we are the champions. JD Vance attempts
Speaker 3: to lift the championship trophy and just makes a total
Speaker 3: fucking ma just it feels like a comedic bit almost
Speaker 3: how how comical this fumble is. But here's JD Vance
Speaker 3: and he's about to lift the trophy. Is how do
Speaker 3: I hold this spellas oh.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, oh shit, that's okay, all good, all good.
Speaker 3: Then I think another handler comes out to be like,
Speaker 3: hold on, asshole, don't fucking break this.
Speaker 2: When he first approach. Can we just go back to
Speaker 2: the initial back into the left? Yes?
Speaker 1: Right? Do you have you have your illustrator here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Like he's doing a couple know how gravity
Speaker 4: works at this point, because he's like dragging it a cross,
Speaker 4: like he doesn't know to pick it up that that
Speaker 4: you want to like put your hands on the sides
Speaker 4: and pull upwards.
Speaker 2: He's just kind of moving it across.
Speaker 3: And oh boy, how many times did he break grandmother's
Speaker 3: earn with all her ashes in it?
Speaker 2: It feels like I gotta saying, I.
Speaker 1: Gotta say, this guy in the tan suit is getting
Speaker 1: off scott free.
Speaker 2: Because he played a part. Yeah, yes, I will say. Also,
Speaker 2: the structural integrity of the trophy counter Hey, we can
Speaker 2: just call him Barack Obama. Okay, not on my watch
Speaker 2: would he be allowed to wear a suit like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the reason too, is interesting because
Speaker 3: a lot of people are like, he broke the trophy,
Speaker 3: And as much as I'd love to say that, it's
Speaker 3: not totally accurate, because the trophy is like it's made
Speaker 3: of two pieces. There's this base and then it's that's
Speaker 3: the base, and then the trophy itself, which looks like
Speaker 3: a gold plated taki. That's the actual trophy. And because
Speaker 3: Vance has no idea like about that, he tried lifting
Speaker 3: like both at the same time. And I think that's
Speaker 3: where like the player was like, nah, bro, this is
Speaker 3: the act, Like just lift the fucking trophy. Like, have
Speaker 3: you seen any photos of a college team that won
Speaker 3: this trophy? They're not like they'll hold the bass at
Speaker 3: the presentation, but when they're parading it around, they're usually
Speaker 3: just holding the fucking gold part. And I think that's
Speaker 3: what he was, like, whoa, what do you okay? You
Speaker 3: want to slide the base off? Go ahead, sir, go ahead.
Speaker 2: This is just like a concentrated shot of like everything
Speaker 2: that was on display and that donut you know where
Speaker 2: he he like went in to order donuts, and it
Speaker 2: was just evident that he had not like ordered anything
Speaker 2: or interact. Like at first, you're like, does he not
Speaker 2: know what a donut is? And then you're like, does
Speaker 2: he not know what human like how to talk to humans? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who who's the least nightmarish of the nightmare blunt rotation
Speaker 2: in the In the Maga world.
Speaker 1: A tough one.
Speaker 2: Steven Miller would be great to get high. Oh I
Speaker 2: would be all.
Speaker 1: I would that one friend that like you'd like the
Speaker 1: fun with everyone kind of likes to fuck with. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There was like a kid I remember in high school.
Speaker 3: We got him high and he he was like his
Speaker 3: first time. He like hid in the back of my
Speaker 3: friend's like pathfinder and He's like, we got to get
Speaker 3: out of here, and I'm like, I don't where. And
Speaker 3: he heard a helicopter goal Bys like they're looking for us. Man,
Speaker 3: my dad's gonna ground me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh damn, little boy. Was Stephen Miller.
Speaker 1: Miller Miller.
Speaker 2: There's no no looking back from there. Yeah, I mean, so,
Speaker 2: my my good friend Bill Maher actually said Trump is
Speaker 2: pretty chill to hang so, I mean, it's the speak
Speaker 2: of THEO Vaughn. And by the way, this is now
Speaker 2: a THEO Von Recap podcast. But his interview with trust
Speaker 2: was what was it hilarious? Like, I think Trump would
Speaker 2: be entertaining to be in the same room with if
Speaker 2: you weren't you know, being physically revolted by the fact
Speaker 2: that he's a racist Nazi.
Speaker 3: Well that's yeah, because that's the part that happens when
Speaker 3: all the time we get like those quotes out of him, Like,
Speaker 3: I fucking hate that I'm laughing at this piece of shit,
Speaker 3: but there's just something fucking so goofy about it. I
Speaker 3: can't help but laugh when you're like, everything's computer, how
Speaker 3: do you do yet?
Speaker 1: Everything's computer is on the fucking Mount Rustler. For me,
Speaker 1: that is that was so good, wow, incredible everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why I like it was able, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean not to rehash the horrors of the last election,
Speaker 1: but it's like a lot of these right wing podcast folks,
Speaker 1: the Rogans and the Theovons and the Milk Boys and
Speaker 1: so forth. I mean, I think their politics were moving
Speaker 1: a maga direction, but mostly they they had Trump on
Speaker 1: because like they knew that they could chop it up
Speaker 1: for two hours and not feel super awkward. And then
Speaker 1: the Democrats are like, how about this person? It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this isn't a good hang, so right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think about the dynamic.
Speaker 3: I think that's the easy part about being a Republican
Speaker 3: right now is you don't have to fake anything. You
Speaker 3: can just be so out there with your backwards ideas,
Speaker 3: whereas the Democrats are so like in their heads about
Speaker 3: triangulating and presenting and evoking the right shibblets at the
Speaker 3: right time that like they don't they're not going to
Speaker 3: come off in the way that they would be open to,
Speaker 3: like talking about cocaine in an interview.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, I will say, it's
Speaker 1: a long ways to go, but that is starting to change.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's it's too little, too late, but
Speaker 1: I and maybe this is the flip side to what
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier about the cool coming off
Speaker 1: of my maga a little bit. I do think at
Speaker 1: least some democratic channels are starting to realize, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just have to be more nimble.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Corey Booker gave that thing and then was on like
Speaker 1: six different podcasts and like Instagram shows afterwards, Wing and
Speaker 1: like take.
Speaker 3: The Zeitgeist challenge. Come off and talk about cocaine, right,
Speaker 3: you want to win the people back. Open invitation, any
Speaker 3: sitting senator, come on, let's talk about how fucked up
Speaker 3: you've gotten.
Speaker 1: Ever senators who've done cocaine one through fifty. Let's come.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did Kahla Harris talk about smoking weed at one point?
Speaker 2: I feel yeah, but like it was it was just
Speaker 2: it was like one of the characters. Yeah, but she
Speaker 2: did it in a way.
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm Jamaican, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: it was sort of like, Okay, like you're saying, of
Speaker 3: course I smoke weed because I'm Jamaican, is like different.
Speaker 3: You know, again, this is a this is an era
Speaker 3: where people were like, if I said I've ever done
Speaker 3: a drug, that's it for me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They got rid of power Dean for screaming loud. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 2: come back. We'll talk about the latest trends and eyelashes.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back. We're back. And
Speaker 2: how's ther men doing? How they been out of the
Speaker 2: country versu hor men doing? They figure everything out.
Speaker 3: It's a weekly check in, I think on this show
Speaker 3: at this point with how are y'all?
Speaker 2: How are we doing out there? Boys? How we doing? Fellas?
Speaker 3: Last week there was the Nazi pastor who thought the
Speaker 3: TSA scanner was a gay beam that somehow would take
Speaker 3: away his ability to suppress his own sexuality or some shit.
Speaker 3: H Now I'm seeing a trend about guys shaving off
Speaker 3: their eyelashes because if they're too long, they're feminine. They
Speaker 3: want to look more masculine, and nothing looks more masculine than.
Speaker 2: Having no eyelashes. I yuess is the logic here. I
Speaker 2: love to imagine the battle going in going on inside
Speaker 2: these guys where their gay feelings are, like like they
Speaker 2: just they assume that it's being caused by They're like,
Speaker 2: every time I go on a plane, other man like.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that's that's a question that's
Speaker 3: missing in those conversations are like, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: probably not I don't know. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: It's probably gonna make you gay. And I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 3: let's explore that. So what is what's what's what has
Speaker 3: been your experience.
Speaker 2: In the machine?
Speaker 3: It goes through you and then you start going, oh,
Speaker 3: I liked how that man told me to assume the
Speaker 3: position in this small booth.
Speaker 1: It's the only it's the only pat down encounter that the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, only, but it's the only time that somebody another
Speaker 2: male physically touches their body where they don't immediately respond
Speaker 2: by punching them in the shoulder. Come on, who's that?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: But wait, Jack, is your is your? Is your theory here?
Speaker 1: That the I'm saying that the t s A screening
Speaker 1: is making me gay is a cover for the gay
Speaker 1: feelings that are already popping up inside it.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a cover. I think it's the
Speaker 2: like it's oblivious, like they're there just like there's something
Speaker 2: going on here. Like that's where like they're assuming that
Speaker 2: everybody is having the same feelings, that those feelings are
Speaker 2: unnatural and coming from outside of them rather than inside
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: It just seems like you would pick something that happens
Speaker 1: more frequently than the TSA screaming, because if you have
Speaker 1: those feelings all the time, maybe times a year that
Speaker 1: you fly, just be like, uh, you know, drive throughs
Speaker 1: are making me.
Speaker 2: He's like, I fly a lot, fly.
Speaker 3: Buddy, I am flying a lot of at least three
Speaker 3: times a week I'm flying.
Speaker 2: Maybe something that happens more often, like noticing that your
Speaker 2: eyelash that you have some thick, luscious lash.
Speaker 1: Watch some videos. How do you actually trim your eyelashes?
Speaker 2: Dear, it's about as it's about as simple as you
Speaker 2: thought it would be.
Speaker 3: It's just shaving them off with electric clippers. This is like,
Speaker 3: there's like at first I was like, is this really
Speaker 3: a thing? And now I've seen multiple video some dudes
Speaker 3: in a barber chair and getting their eyelashes trimmed.
Speaker 2: So here's the first one.
Speaker 1: No, no, but first of all, choice, I love this music. Choice.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just turn the audio off there because that's
Speaker 2: probably not gonna make it on the Oh.
Speaker 3: That first one, how it just went right off. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, I thought I was gonna take the fucking
Speaker 3: eyelid with it.
Speaker 1: Can we see a photo of what someone looks.
Speaker 2: Like for people who aren't watching the video that, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's somebody like this is not what I thought was happening.
Speaker 2: I was assuming it would be scissors and you just
Speaker 2: do a like a straight cut, just like having the
Speaker 2: like the thing that like in a movie when somebody
Speaker 2: gets a bad haircut, it's always this thing and like
Speaker 2: the slip yeah yeah, like right next to you close.
Speaker 1: Your eyes so that your lashes are sort of running down, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the razor and they go and just down a beard, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you edge beard what.
Speaker 3: Are the guys like, I like it more to look
Speaker 3: like eyeliner than eyelashes.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how big of a difference it makes.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, like like this, the guy in this video,
Speaker 1: he's got got it's all gone. Yeah, his eyebrows are
Speaker 1: gone too. Well, people have been like sculpting their eyebrows.
Speaker 3: I mean this is yeah, I mean, yeah, it's appropriate.
Speaker 3: I guess what I mean. The truth is out there.
Speaker 3: If you have long eyelashes, you are less masculine, clearly, clearly, clearly.
Speaker 2: I mean what are they saying about JD Vans? You know, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't appreciate the application there, fellas.
Speaker 3: Looks because this motherfucker pulling up like one of Odd's homies.
Speaker 3: Like we've said, like the beautiful eyeliner, thick gass eyelashes.
Speaker 1: So what is the part of the broken online manisphere
Speaker 1: that this is tapping into?
Speaker 2: I mean, jesus, I mean it just like I think,
Speaker 2: I think it lends itself to video. It makes for
Speaker 2: good video. You get to see somebody go from like
Speaker 2: it's equally I could see this working as like do
Speaker 2: the eyelash challenge. You know it feels, so it makes
Speaker 2: for great video. And then also they're just bored and
Speaker 2: don't have that many different things that they that they
Speaker 2: can work with.
Speaker 3: And also I think we're also just like in this
Speaker 3: era where people don't really think for themselves, Like I
Speaker 3: see this all the time, especially on Reddit, like where
Speaker 3: people are like how do I how do I know
Speaker 3: a song is good? Or people like that, like because
Speaker 3: I'm DJing, I'm getting into DJing in and I see
Speaker 3: all these like posts or people are like, what what's
Speaker 3: the way to think about music if it's good? And
Speaker 3: somebody people are like, what do you mean? Like if
Speaker 3: you like it, that's that's the benchmark. There's no like
Speaker 3: like what's going on. Just honor whatever your feelings are
Speaker 3: about something rather than looking for like an external definition
Speaker 3: of it. And I think stuff like this, or the
Speaker 3: guys who don't wash their ass because if I touch
Speaker 3: my ass, I'm fucking like not straight or whatever. It's
Speaker 3: all like these weird ways to like flatten your identity
Speaker 3: out and like, okay, I can tick the box if
Speaker 3: I do that. Oh thank god I don't have long eyelashes.
Speaker 3: Oh thank god, I'm not washing my ass. Now I'm
Speaker 3: a man, and now I've achieved manhood. It's like very
Speaker 3: and I mean it's just like a very. It's like
Speaker 3: a simplified way to sort of assert your identity, but
Speaker 3: like without you know, being truthful about who you are.
Speaker 2: I don't know, my day, we had no fear t
Speaker 2: shirts to let everybody know we're straight, right, But now
Speaker 2: you have to do it via social media clips where
Speaker 2: my eyelashes off.
Speaker 1: Now's your point about kind of the lack of socialization
Speaker 1: for like how do I figure out who I am?
Speaker 1: You know, and and even stuff like this. I mean,
Speaker 1: there have always been trends, right, but I think that
Speaker 1: one thing I've been thinking about a lot is how
Speaker 1: one of the things that's been hollowed out is the
Speaker 1: whole kind of process by which you have to do
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that you actually don't like doing.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to watch movies that you think suck.
Speaker 1: You have to like try on a persona that is
Speaker 1: not for you and then two weeks later shift it.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to kind of like make friends
Speaker 1: who wann't for you and move on. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the kind of broken promises of
Speaker 1: the Internet, and I think particularly for men. You know
Speaker 1: it's it's it's even more dire. But it's this like
Speaker 1: shortcutting directly to the thing that you will love and
Speaker 1: will be the core identity, and like you can't shortcut that.
Speaker 1: But also you learn, I mean, I'm preaching the choir,
Speaker 1: but you learn a ton by doing stuff that makes
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, that isn't for you. You know, like there
Speaker 1: used to be a time when like someone would put
Speaker 1: on a movie and if it sucked, you would just
Speaker 1: like you'd have to watch the whole movie and you
Speaker 1: just and then you talk about why it was bad
Speaker 1: and why you didn't like it, and that was like
Speaker 1: formative and whatever. And now it's like, you know, that's ah,
Speaker 1: that encapsulates it all, Like you can just bail and
Speaker 1: try something else and just keep searching for the perfect thing.
Speaker 2: And one, hey, what's your definition of man? All right?
Speaker 2: Let me try that out?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Like and yeah, to your point, like we're
Speaker 3: not sifting through the variation that exists in life. That
Speaker 3: like I always think about I remember always when I
Speaker 3: was like I don't know what I told my I
Speaker 3: remember telling my dad I was like I don't know
Speaker 3: what I want to fucking do. Like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I like this job. He's like, you have to
Speaker 3: do shit you don't like to truly understand what you love.
Speaker 3: That's really like nice unless you know out the gate,
Speaker 3: it's so clear to you you have to sift through
Speaker 3: all these different experiences and that's how you build up
Speaker 3: what you actually fucking like. To avoid all these like
Speaker 3: experiences just to be like, I know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: like that. He's like, you might or you might learn
Speaker 3: something very specifically about this thing you don't like that
Speaker 3: maybe you do, and that will completely inform all these other.
Speaker 2: Things that you that you wonder about. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, yeah, to your point, Jody, like
Speaker 3: we people are just the appetite for that is less
Speaker 3: because I think there's so much information out there and
Speaker 3: you can go on TikTok or YouTube and google something
Speaker 3: like how to be more manly.
Speaker 2: That that's just that's like kind of the shortcut of
Speaker 2: of doing stuff like this. But I think it's also
Speaker 2: partially too.
Speaker 3: This is also like we're like living this era of
Speaker 3: content and so a lot of this stuff is gonna
Speaker 3: bubble up. But like I mean, I would say to
Speaker 3: these men who think your eyelashes are too long. I
Speaker 3: have a friend beautiful eyelashes. He gets constant compliments from
Speaker 3: like people coming up to him to be like like
Speaker 3: and even like women. I remember like going to bars, like, dude,
Speaker 3: your game is that your eyelashes are so long that
Speaker 3: people are noticing that.
Speaker 2: Look, it's that easy. Just have your beautiful eyelashes. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is we need them evolutionarily speaking,
Speaker 3: that they protect our eyeballs.
Speaker 2: That's why they're there. They're not feminine indicators. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like it's gotta be a real mind fuck just
Speaker 2: for people raised on social media to have been thinking
Speaker 2: of yourself as a brand. Like it's just there's an
Speaker 2: abstraction to the way that like people seem to encounter
Speaker 2: identity now, like that that hasn't been true historically. I
Speaker 2: think it was starting to be true when I was younger,
Speaker 2: but like it's definitely like I think when I was younger,
Speaker 2: I always like had this idea of like imagining myself
Speaker 2: in like a Truman Show situation, even if like it
Speaker 2: just like that, I think a lot of people had that.
Speaker 2: I've like read people and then like there's people who
Speaker 2: even have that as like a psychosis of like thinking
Speaker 2: that they're on is called like Truman Show syndrome. But
Speaker 2: now it's like become true, Like you are the star
Speaker 2: of your own reality show, and like you are constructing
Speaker 2: an identity that's like basically a brand, and so I
Speaker 2: feel like that's gotta fuck you up, Like that has
Speaker 2: to make you be like, so, how do I construct
Speaker 2: the right music around my brand? As opposed to even
Speaker 2: thinking about your life as right? Well, even which things
Speaker 2: should I like?
Speaker 3: Well, we talked about this to a lot, like Jack,
Speaker 3: like how when we were kids and like you know,
Speaker 3: millennials and gen X, like like we would just steal
Speaker 3: things from movies or TV like like oh this I
Speaker 3: like this, This is gonna be my person, Like I
Speaker 3: like this character. Yeah, we just if this aligns with
Speaker 3: me or whatever. But even then it was up to
Speaker 3: you to sort of interpret that what it was about
Speaker 3: that character or piece of popular culture that appealed to you.
Speaker 3: Whereas now it's like you can get It's like the
Speaker 3: information is like just infinite in terms of like you're like,
Speaker 3: oh I'm into this, dude, And then now they have
Speaker 3: all this content when they talk about like this is
Speaker 3: what I do to be a man, this is how
Speaker 3: this is how I live, this is how I eat,
Speaker 3: this is all these other things. So it becomes very
Speaker 3: rigid suddenly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean that gets us something. I think if I think,
Speaker 1: whenever I have these conversations, I always try and remember
Speaker 1: kind of what is what is the actual difference now,
Speaker 1: you know, because people have always gone through phases, right,
Speaker 1: There've always been fads and trends, and even those have
Speaker 1: come pretty fast, you know, you like a goth for
Speaker 1: a week, and then you move on, you know, so
Speaker 1: that that in and of itself, like people trying on
Speaker 1: different personas and trying to be different and present themselves
Speaker 1: in different ways to different people, is not that new.
Speaker 1: I think it's something about a little bit of the speed,
Speaker 1: you know, by which you can kind of rip through that,
Speaker 1: like you don't have to just sit with it. But
Speaker 1: also I just think that the feedback, right, the immediate feedback,
Speaker 1: so that you're constantly kind of like testing and ab testing, yeah, yourself.
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, if you're just a high schooler, you
Speaker 1: see the way someone dresses in a movie and it's
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven and you try that on, like you
Speaker 1: kind of got to just that's kind of got to
Speaker 1: be your thing for a week at least, and you're
Speaker 1: not going to immediately see how people react, and you
Speaker 1: kind of have to live with it in your own head,
Speaker 1: which I think is really important.
Speaker 3: Or your classmates aren't like posting your outfit and being
Speaker 3: like yo, l outfit or the right and you're like,
Speaker 3: oh fuck yeah, just that. Yeah, that instant feedback is
Speaker 3: I think probably the biggest biggest.
Speaker 2: And also the confusion of just like attention with you know,
Speaker 2: like getting a lot of like a thing going viral,
Speaker 2: like shaving your fucking eyelashes off with being like some
Speaker 2: manner of approval you know, is probably a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Like if somebody edged up their eyelashes in high school,
Speaker 2: I think they would get a lot of attention, but
Speaker 2: it would be pretty evident that it wasn't necessarily positive.
Speaker 2: Whereas this it just feels like easy to confuse like
Speaker 2: the velocity of like how much attention is pouring in
Speaker 2: with value that you're getting.
Speaker 3: Or it feels like that sort of like pathological thing
Speaker 3: a lot of us do with like self criticism, Like yeah,
Speaker 3: you sort of pre empt criticism because you're already criticizing yourself,
Speaker 3: and like, if you were working that out, like with
Speaker 3: your mental health and your emotional well being, you'd probably
Speaker 3: arrive at a place where it's like, well, do you want.
Speaker 2: To live in a world where all that criticism is flying?
Speaker 3: Like wouldn't you rather live in a place where you
Speaker 3: can just be yourself and that's okay? That would probably
Speaker 3: sort of stop the ruminating on, Like am I am?
Speaker 2: I was? Just? Am I fucking up?
Speaker 3: And I think I am really really embracing that idea that,
Speaker 3: like I that is a better world to live in.
Speaker 3: I think that's sort of like this philosophical rubicon they
Speaker 3: have to you have to cross on some level to
Speaker 3: be like I'm not I don't want to live in
Speaker 3: a world where I'm so fucking like.
Speaker 2: Look, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: What are they worring?
Speaker 2: What does that mean about me?
Speaker 3: Where he's like, yeah, do whatever the fuck you want, man,
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want and
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear all right.
Speaker 2: So I do have a question based on this story
Speaker 2: that's very dumb and has nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: philosophical questions. Do they grow back? And if they do
Speaker 2: how they know to grow back? How do they? How
Speaker 2: do your eyelash know?
Speaker 4: Your eyelashes know to grow back? Because my eyelashes have
Speaker 4: been the same length for thirty years?
Speaker 2: What how how they know? Are my eyelashes falling out
Speaker 2: and then new ones are growing in? What happened to you? Man?
Speaker 2: Do you shave? You shave your beard? Right? You worried
Speaker 2: how your beard knows to grow back?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 2: But okay, so my beard. If I don't shave my beard,
Speaker 2: it will keep growing. I will look like Tom saying
Speaker 2: in that one and that by his Self film. But
Speaker 2: if I shave, if I I haven't shaved my eyelashes
Speaker 2: in weeks, and like they, it hasn't grown. You know,
Speaker 2: it hasn't grown. So I'm just wondering that. That's always
Speaker 2: been a question I have is how do how does
Speaker 2: if my leg hair hasn't been shaved for my whole
Speaker 2: life and it doesn't just keep growing indefinitely when I
Speaker 2: do shave it, how my leg hair no no to grow? Then? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's the follicles from what I'm reading. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they just know at a certain point they're like, nah,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 3: We're not that kind of hair that's over there, if
Speaker 3: you want to do all that long stuff, or tell
Speaker 3: that to.
Speaker 2: My one weird long eyebrow hair I have. I feel
Speaker 2: like this probably doesn't work the way that supposedly you're
Speaker 2: heard and must have where it like comes back thicker,
Speaker 2: you know, because if it would, I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of people would be shaving their eyelashes. There would
Speaker 2: be no need for Latisse. Yeah right, exactly.
Speaker 1: Charala Mae has great eyelashes, right, isn't that one? Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: Challo may Zach effron Zane, I mean fucking Zane. Are
Speaker 2: we even talking about here? Robert Pattison, All right, Jody,
Speaker 2: it's been wonderful having you on the podcast has always worked.
Speaker 2: Let's see those. Let's see those d let me see
Speaker 2: what are you work? You got there? You're hiding them
Speaker 2: behind oh slashes? Right?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah? Hell yeah yeah beautiful? Oh Jack stop stunting
Speaker 3: on the shouldn't ask because he's just gonna come through
Speaker 3: with his.
Speaker 2: These are mink, Jody, Where can people find you? Follow you?
Speaker 2: Hear you all that good stuff? Well?
Speaker 1: I do a bunch of stuff, but I would I
Speaker 1: would encourage people to listen to Summer album Winter album.
Speaker 1: That's the name of the show. It's called Summer Album,
Speaker 1: Winter Album. We're doing full out, full episodes every couple
Speaker 1: of weeks and little stuff in between. But it's been Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been really really fun to make the show. So
Speaker 1: I love people to check it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Oh? Well, I am reading a great new book. It's
Speaker 1: called what is it called. I'm having one of those
Speaker 1: Tom Petty moments.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Now, it's called Playworld. Do you know about this book
Speaker 1: by Adam Ross? I believe is the name. Yeah, Playworld
Speaker 1: by Adam Ross has a great cover. But also that
Speaker 1: the novel stuff, it's good. It's a novel. It's about
Speaker 1: a sort.
Speaker 4: Of inside stuff that's good. I've ever heard that we
Speaker 4: blurb the content of the book.
Speaker 1: The words and whatnot. Uh, it's it's about a young
Speaker 1: boy growing up in New York City in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's just a great little sort
Speaker 1: of family story. But also you know there's these moments
Speaker 1: to sort of take you too to New York City
Speaker 1: in that era, which is a treat.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, miles, Yeah, where can people find you as
Speaker 2: their working media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray, you find
Speaker 3: Jack and I'm the Basketball podcast Miles and Jack.
Speaker 2: I'm on Gooses.
Speaker 3: Find me on the ninety Day Fiance podcast for twenty
Speaker 3: Day Fiance. Let's see a work of media I do enjoy. Yes,
Speaker 3: this was posted, give me one moment to bring some
Speaker 3: in it. This is from at Shen Underscore the underscore
Speaker 3: bird Shen the bird parenthetical on the phone. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: were going to raise against the dying of the light.
Speaker 3: Later if you're down, switch his phone to.
Speaker 2: The other ear. You're what hold on covers phone this
Speaker 2: dipshit's going gentle into that good night. That's on my
Speaker 2: list too. Ah, look at us, Look at us. We're
Speaker 2: SYNCD again. Maybe all right. You can find me on
Speaker 2: Twitter at Jack underscorel Brian on Blue Sky at Jack
Speaker 2: ob the number one workimedia I've been enjoying. First of all,
Speaker 2: Alec carritt Santis's book Coppaganda is out yesterday. Yeah, came
Speaker 2: out yesterday. Go to your local bookstore, ask your library
Speaker 2: to carry it. It's really good book. We had Alec
Speaker 2: on a couple of weeks ago to talk about it.
Speaker 2: So go back and check out that episode if you
Speaker 2: need some convincing but full of, as he put examples
Speaker 2: patterns of like institutions we think of as well meaning
Speaker 2: like news outlets, magazines, universities, professors and nonprofits that are
Speaker 2: walking us off an authoritarian cliff. And yeah, good book,
Speaker 2: good read, not fun, but just very enlightening. Highly recommend it.
Speaker 2: I like to tweet from. In addition to the going
Speaker 2: quietly into that good night, PJ Evans tweeted seeing one
Speaker 2: of my old teachers, are you still obsessed with spelling
Speaker 2: things correctly? And then one dozen rats at a keyboard
Speaker 2: at Panasonic DX four or five forty five thousand tweeted
Speaker 2: starting a conspiracy that the Katie Perry who came back
Speaker 2: from space isn't the same one who would not. You
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Speaker 2: this episode wherever you're listening to it, and you can
Speaker 2: find the footnotes, which is where we link off to
Speaker 2: the information that we talked about in today's episode, we
Speaker 2: also link off to a song that we think you
Speaker 2: might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think
Speaker 2: people might enjoy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: This is a just some nice, some nice Brazilian music,
Speaker 3: just to nod your head too, just to give yourself
Speaker 3: just a nice sonic break from things.
Speaker 2: Call her song. Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: Brazilian Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think some like maybe like this stan
Speaker 3: Get Spasa Nova stuff could feel wintry to me.
Speaker 2: That feels a little bit more cozy with Babel Giberto.
Speaker 3: But anyway, this is called Naboca Dul Soul and it's
Speaker 3: by the artist Arthur of et OLSI V E r
Speaker 3: O c a I. And it's just again nice, got
Speaker 3: a little brass in it, but just nice vibes Portuguese vibes,
Speaker 3: Brazilian vibes.
Speaker 2: Now Boca del soult. Check it out. Hell yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: We will link off to that in the foot note.
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