WEBVTT - Laurens Hammond: The Non-Musical Genius Who Changed Popular Music

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<v Speaker 3>to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh. There's Chuck Cherry's

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<v Speaker 3>here too, and this is stuff you should know. Part

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<v Speaker 3>of our ongoing musical saga frequently overlooked, but when we

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<v Speaker 3>do him, can we hit him out of the Park.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember remember the one where we talked about pitch and

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<v Speaker 3>we got every single thing we could have possibly gotten

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<v Speaker 3>wrong wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I file this more sort of in the same category

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<v Speaker 2>as the great episodes we did on Les Paul and

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<v Speaker 2>Leo Fender.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Music, Yeah, but you know why you got to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up our worst music one?

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<v Speaker 3>What else have we're done some other musical stuff, haven't

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<v Speaker 3>we've done like actual genres punk and hip hop and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah disco, Yes, great one, you love that one.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a robust musical suite going, and this adds

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<v Speaker 3>to it. I think this is a good idea in

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<v Speaker 3>your part, because we're talking about a guy who I

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<v Speaker 3>always thought his first name was John, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>figure out why, and then I realized that Jurassic Park,

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<v Speaker 3>Jurassic Park, his name was John Hammond. It's funny, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So its name actually isn't John, It's Lawrence. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think you pronounce it like Lawrence, but it's spelled Lawrenz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've heard Lorenz Hammond. Oh really Yeah, anyway, by Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>so he'll just came Larry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why I thought they probably pronounced it Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you recognize his last name, not from Jurassic Park,

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<v Speaker 3>but from the electric organ. Because he was indisputably the

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<v Speaker 3>inventor of the electric organ. He was the first guy

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<v Speaker 3>to really put everything together and make it work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Specifically obviously the Hammond organ and very much notably the

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<v Speaker 2>Hammond B three, which was one of the organs in

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<v Speaker 2>his line of organs. And if you are a piano

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<v Speaker 2>player or an organist, a keyboard person, then you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, speak to me, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not, and you're like a Hammond B three,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that? It is the sound of rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Refugee by Tom Petty and half the Songs of Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's oh yeah, you know the big organ solo

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<v Speaker 2>in the Big Boston Suite. It is like a rolling

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<v Speaker 2>stone by Bob Dylan and a wider shade of Pale

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<v Speaker 2>by Procol Harum.

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<v Speaker 1>It is in so many songs that you know and

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<v Speaker 1>love one of the more.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not to mention you know, jazz and everything

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<v Speaker 2>else that the Hammond B three was used for. But

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<v Speaker 2>it really made his mark on rock and roll in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties and seventies. Even though it was built and

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<v Speaker 2>created in nineteen thirty five, and even though Larry Hammond

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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts was tone deaf and did not play

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<v Speaker 2>a note of any instrument ever in his life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that by his own admission. From what

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<v Speaker 3>I understand, it's like Leo Fender. Yeah, I forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, one other I think one other group that

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<v Speaker 3>requires shouting. I think doctor Teith played a Hammond B three.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, absolutely, I'm pretty sure. So, yeah, he Larry

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<v Speaker 3>Hammond didn't know what he was doing with music, but

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<v Speaker 3>he knew what he was doing with engineering, specifically electrical engineering,

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<v Speaker 3>which at the time he was studying this he was

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<v Speaker 3>born in eighteen ninety five, started studying in the first

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<v Speaker 3>couple decades of the twentieth century. This was some brand

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<v Speaker 3>new stuff. And this guy was at the bleeding edge

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<v Speaker 3>of the whole thing, leading, which I used correctly. Finally,

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<v Speaker 3>did you say leading or bleeding? I said bleeding.

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<v Speaker 1>No, bleeding is when it leads to bad things.

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<v Speaker 3>People have been electrocuted.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Hammond was born a young boy in just outside Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>in the suburb of Evanston, Illinois, like you said, in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen ninety five, and he was the only boy of

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<v Speaker 2>four kids. He had three sisters, had a father who

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<v Speaker 2>was a banker who died when he was two, and

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<v Speaker 2>a mother named is a great name, Idea Strong Hammond,

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<v Speaker 2>who was an impressionist painter and you know, pretty accomplished

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<v Speaker 2>in an artist and a creative. So once mister Hammond dies,

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<v Speaker 2>when little Larry's just too she says, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm packing up my three girls and my son and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to Europe where you can be submerged in

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<v Speaker 2>the arts and get what I think is probably a

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<v Speaker 2>more proper education.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So from the time they moved there when he

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<v Speaker 3>was four till the time they moved back to Evanston

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<v Speaker 3>when he was fourteen, they lived in Geneva, in Dresden

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<v Speaker 3>and Paris. And one of the things about Larry Hammond

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<v Speaker 3>was from an extraordinarily young age, he was a tinkerer.

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted to know how things worked. And when they

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<v Speaker 3>landed in Paris, I'm not sure exactly what h he

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<v Speaker 3>was at the time. I think he was a tween possibly,

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<v Speaker 3>but France was like this was when the first cars

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<v Speaker 3>were really being designed to built and France was the

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<v Speaker 3>epicenter of that, and Larry little Larry Hammond happened to

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<v Speaker 3>live there at the time, so he was taking apart

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<v Speaker 3>engines from a very young age and actually came up

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<v Speaker 3>with the crude version of an automatic transmission a decade

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<v Speaker 3>before it was ever actually patented. That's what this kid

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<v Speaker 3>was doing as a tween.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, as a twelve year old, he was incredibly brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>probably a genius. I know that word is thrown around

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, but if you're doing that kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>when you're twelve in the early twentieth century, then that

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<v Speaker 2>qualifies in my book.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was putting on like half a bottle of

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<v Speaker 3>Polo cologne and wandering around the mall. At this age,

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>In the basement hiding from Satan.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go. That's another thing to do. That's another

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<v Speaker 3>thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Hammonds were, like I said, they were all

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<v Speaker 2>pretty accomplished. Well, the mom was pretty accomplished, and all

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<v Speaker 2>his sisters would go on to do great things. His

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<v Speaker 2>sister Unis was a writer and a poet and edited

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<v Speaker 2>a poetry magazine. His sister Louise was a missionary in

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<v Speaker 2>China who would transcribe Christian hyndls and religious books in

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese and his sister Peggy was a musician. She was

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<v Speaker 2>a cellist, a world class cellist, but young Larry was

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<v Speaker 2>not inclined musically. When they went back to Evanston, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 2>he continued continued to sort of experiment and take things

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<v Speaker 2>apart and put him back together, and eventually he got

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<v Speaker 2>a little taste of success early on, when he was sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>he had his first US patent with a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a new and improved barometer that he ended up making

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<v Speaker 2>a few hundred books off of which you know, was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good for a sixteen year old. And the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>what is this twenties at this point, teens.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he would have been it would have been nineteen four,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen nine, Okay, yeah, nineteen eleven, somewhere in there. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, he ended up going on to car. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there was ever any question whether he was

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<v Speaker 3>going to or not, thanks to his mom and her

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<v Speaker 3>strong will about education and work ethic and he ended

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<v Speaker 3>up at Cornell in Ithaca, and apparently, according to the

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<v Speaker 3>Larry Hammond legend, he finally kind of came to understand

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<v Speaker 3>his own maybe mission in life, if not brilliant. From

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<v Speaker 3>when I read you had a bit of an ego

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<v Speaker 3>here or there, although he was generally a good guy.

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<v Speaker 3>This story kind of jibes.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never known any genius inventors to have large egos, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually very meek and they hide in the basement from

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<v Speaker 3>Satan too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>But the night before exams, he and his friends went

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<v Speaker 3>out to Syracuse and were drinking, drinking, drinking, and caught

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<v Speaker 3>the last train back to Ithaca. And when they got

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<v Speaker 3>to class, they were still kind of drunk, and Larry

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<v Speaker 3>Hammond wandered into the wrong class. Did he not what

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<v Speaker 3>happened after that, Chuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, apparently he went in on exam day to an

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<v Speaker 2>electrical engineering class that he wasn't even taking an ACE

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<v Speaker 2>the final or ace the exam.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was a final.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like you said, as the legend goes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when he was like, huh, I'm a pretty smart

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<v Speaker 2>guy and I am good at inventing things, and so that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm going to dedicate my life to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's not only that he was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>an independent inventor. That is that's a life choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Right there, Oh right, like not going to work for

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<v Speaker 1>ge or Westinghouse or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and he didn't. He ended up going somewhere I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember where. He had a couple of jobs for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>especially to start out. But the first thing he did

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<v Speaker 3>after Cornell was to go and list in World War One. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think he was stationed in France for a

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<v Speaker 3>little while, was mistaken for a French deserter because his

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<v Speaker 3>French was so good. Another part of his legend took

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<v Speaker 3>a little story. But then after that he moved to

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<v Speaker 3>Detroit and he took a job. He became chief engineering

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<v Speaker 3>he's still very young, at a company made boat engines,

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<v Speaker 3>because remember he had spent a lot of his tweens

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<v Speaker 3>taking engines. Apart he could ace an electrical engineering final,

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<v Speaker 3>but he also was studying mechanical engineering at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so it makes sense that he was working at a

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<v Speaker 3>company that made boat engines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he it was called the Gray Motor Company.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently the guy he was working for was someone

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<v Speaker 2>that served with him an army and said, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't enough money or something, and under the table,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy paid him an extra three hundred bucks a

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<v Speaker 2>week that no one knew about, just to keep him

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<v Speaker 2>working on these boat engines. Man that he knew he

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<v Speaker 2>was that valuable and that he probably shouldn't be making

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<v Speaker 2>boat engines. So he greased the wheel, he greased the

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<v Speaker 2>palm a little bit, he greased the propeller.

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<v Speaker 3>But remember he wanted to be an independent inventor. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you have the spirit of an inventor and the

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<v Speaker 3>ego of somebody who can ace an electrical exam without

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<v Speaker 3>taking the test, no amount of money is going to

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<v Speaker 3>make you satisfied spending your life making boat engines for

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else. So he struck out, and I think he

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<v Speaker 3>did it the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Struck out as in failed like baseball, no.

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<v Speaker 3>The other way around, like struck out on his own exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>just so people know. I think he was still working though,

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<v Speaker 3>and like at night, he was working on his own stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was while he was working at the boat company,

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<v Speaker 3>from what I understand. But he came up with something

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<v Speaker 3>called the tickless clock, not ticklish clock, a tickless clock

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<v Speaker 3>that you couldn't hear tick because apparently that drove him crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel this guy. If you've ever had a

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<v Speaker 3>loud clock in the room with you while you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep, there's nothing else you can concentrate on except

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<v Speaker 3>the stupid ticking of that stupid clock. And Larry Hammond

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<v Speaker 3>felt the same way, so he invented one that didn't

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<v Speaker 3>make the ticking sound.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and he was like, you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to sell this idea. He sold that idea, made

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty good money on it, enough that he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to move to New York and open up his

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<v Speaker 2>own sort of invention factory, and he invented something there

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of was the beginning of what would end

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<v Speaker 2>up like informing his future career in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the synchronous motor.

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<v Speaker 2>In America, at the time we were making this is

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<v Speaker 2>the early twenties, they were making the switch to sixty

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<v Speaker 2>herts from fifty herts. Westinghouse came along and they had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sway, obviously, and said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this arc lighting system we have looks a lot better

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<v Speaker 2>at sixty herts. We need everything to be the same,

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<v Speaker 2>So United States, can we all move to sixty herts?

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<v Speaker 2>In the government said sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, oh sorry, So sixty herts is sixty cycles

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<v Speaker 3>a second, and it's part of alternating current, which, as

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<v Speaker 3>we remember, won out the current wars because you can

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<v Speaker 3>send it over very long distances with very little loss

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<v Speaker 3>of of energy. Right. Yeah, So they switched over to

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<v Speaker 3>sixty cycles a second, and Hammond said, well, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's precise. Like we're talking about a precise like

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<v Speaker 3>something is moving back and forth between the poles sixty

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<v Speaker 3>times a second, and we're talking about electrons. You can

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<v Speaker 3>set your watch by electrons basically. So his synchronous motor

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<v Speaker 3>plugged into that sixty cycle a second electrical current, and

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<v Speaker 3>it created a motion that spun just as reliably as

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<v Speaker 3>those electrons switch poles back and forth sixty times a second.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're thinking, I don't even know what this means, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>who cares? What this means is all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you can electrify things that were previously not electrified. Yeah, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that tickless clock that you still had

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<v Speaker 2>to wind over and over, like every clock in the

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<v Speaker 2>world that you had to wind over and over.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, chuck, that tickless clock. The way it

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<v Speaker 3>was cliss is the motor was put into a soundproof box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty easy, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Means that you could also say it was a tick

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<v Speaker 3>in the box. Okay, So the synchronous motor though, this

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<v Speaker 3>was the fact that it was very precise, that it

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<v Speaker 3>was going to spin X number of times every second.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a really big deal because if you have

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<v Speaker 3>something that is that precise and that has is current,

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<v Speaker 3>is getting an electrical current that's keeping it that precise,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what, you can do all sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you said he had an electrical clock. You can

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<v Speaker 3>make little shutter spin in front of people's eyes without

0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.320
<v Speaker 3>them even realizing that they're spinning. All sorts of things

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<v Speaker 3>you can do with a synchronous motor, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>the basis of a lot of his inventions that followed.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I think that was a great little tease setup.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry for teasing you everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I love it because people are going like, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you mean shutters in front of your eyes? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna explain that right after this. We'll be right back,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. So Josh left a great little tease.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I did mention that he started making these clocks, but

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<v Speaker 2>this next thing actually happened first because he did have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of success with the Hammond Clock Company because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was like these electric clocks are amazing. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to wind my clock ever again, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to. But before he found success there, he invented,

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<v Speaker 2>basically invented three D movies in the silent era of

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<v Speaker 2>cinema insane.

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<v Speaker 3>So remember from our stereogram, our magic Eye episode, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is perfect for this. It's basically the same stuff

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<v Speaker 3>going on around the same time. But he came up

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<v Speaker 3>with something called the tell aview, and you basically created

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<v Speaker 3>a film with two cameras set a little bit apart,

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<v Speaker 3>and now all of a sudden you've got two slightly

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<v Speaker 3>different perspectives of the same thing, which, as you remember

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<v Speaker 3>from our Stereograms episode, that I loves to turn into

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<v Speaker 3>depth and perspective. So then you project the movie onto

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<v Speaker 3>the screen using those two projectors, not overlapping, but alternating

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<v Speaker 3>very quickly between the right image and the left image

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<v Speaker 3>right image, left image. That sounds like a headache, and

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<v Speaker 3>it probably would be if it weren't for the viewers

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<v Speaker 3>that Hammond created that every seat had that you looked

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<v Speaker 3>at this movie through and when the left image was

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<v Speaker 3>up on the screen, a shutter closed over your right eye,

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<v Speaker 3>so all you could see was your left image. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the same thing for your right eye with the

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<v Speaker 3>right image, and this all happens so fast that your

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<v Speaker 3>brain didn't make note of it. All it saw were

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<v Speaker 3>two slightly different perspectives of the same thing and turned

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<v Speaker 3>it into what's called parallax depth based on your position

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<v Speaker 3>of where you're sitting and where you're viewing an object.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing, And again, this is all possible because of that

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<v Speaker 2>synchredous motor which was spinning these two little things in

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<v Speaker 2>front of your eyeballs exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And that nuts. This was the twenties, and this guy

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<v Speaker 3>came up with three D and it worked really well.

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<v Speaker 3>It worked so well that people were a little put

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<v Speaker 3>off by it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I read an article from The Atlantic that was written

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen forty, a profile of John Hammond. They said

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<v Speaker 3>that the movie, the one movie that he made, Hello Mars,

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<v Speaker 3>was so crystal clear that it says close ups of

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<v Speaker 3>love scenes were almost embarrassing, and you could see the

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<v Speaker 3>sweat on the actor's faces. So apparently it was distracting.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so realistic and so lifelike that nobody was

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<v Speaker 3>following the plot and they were maybe even a little

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<v Speaker 3>put off.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so this isn't working out as far as

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<v Speaker 2>being a great business idea. But he was like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I still you know, I could make this

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<v Speaker 2>thing without those little spinny goggles. He said, I could

0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.040
<v Speaker 2>actually do it with colored lenses, these little cheap cardboard

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<v Speaker 2>things that you know, in thirty years everyone was going

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<v Speaker 2>to think is the coolest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did that.

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<v Speaker 2>He created some for Zigfield himself and the Zigfield Follies,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the biggest show going in Vaudeville and New York.

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<v Speaker 2>He called this the shadow graph, and he had actors

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<v Speaker 2>standing behind a transparent screen and he backlit them with

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<v Speaker 2>red and a green light spaced a few feet apart,

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<v Speaker 2>and then projected their shadows on the screen. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you wore those three D glasses, it again created depth

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.959
<v Speaker 2>and it looked like they were sort of leaping off

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<v Speaker 2>the screen. And Zigfield loved this one. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pay you seventy five thousand dollars to use this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff for two years, which is about one point three

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<v Speaker 2>million bucks today.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know how many drachmas it is? How many

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred twenty million, five hundred and seventy eight four

0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.120
<v Speaker 3>plus drachmas today? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean by this point he's he's rich, or

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<v Speaker 2>at the very least, he can use that money to

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<v Speaker 2>fund doing whatever he wants to do invention wise.

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<v Speaker 3>Being an independent inventor. He's realized his dream by this point.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right in the twenty so he was in his twenties. Still,

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<v Speaker 3>it's pretty great stuff. Yeah. Also, I saw that this

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<v Speaker 3>is the only effect that Zigfield used over two seasons.

0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Zigfield like to keep things fresh and cutting edge, but

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<v Speaker 3>he loved this, this the shadow graph so much that

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<v Speaker 3>he used it over two different seasons, which is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of an honor in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Super cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's get back to that synchronous motor, the sixty

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<v Speaker 3>cycle second that was so reliable you could never have

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<v Speaker 3>to wind a clock from it, right, all right, he Well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go back even further than that, Chuck, Let's go

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<v Speaker 3>back to the eighteen nineties, which is the same year

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<v Speaker 3>Hammon was born, eighteen ninety five, and there's an American

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<v Speaker 3>inventor named that is Khill, who was the first person

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<v Speaker 3>to come up with an electro an electro mechanical not

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<v Speaker 3>strictly electronic, but it had some gears and stuff to it,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was electro mechanical. It's called the teleharmonium. And well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go back even further than that, Chuck, okay to

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<v Speaker 3>the eighteen sixties, and we're going to hop on over

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<v Speaker 3>to Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm picking up what you're laying down. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a German scientist named Hermann von Helmholtz.

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<v Speaker 3>And he.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew music a little bit, and he's like, here's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I know is that when you hear a

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<v Speaker 2>musical note, it's a sound way that you're hearing vibrating

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<v Speaker 2>at a frequency, like if you hear an a key

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<v Speaker 2>on a piano, it's vibrating at a very specific frequency

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<v Speaker 2>that makes the sound of what you would call an

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<v Speaker 2>a note. But here's the deal, he said, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>more than an a note. It's very warm and there's

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<v Speaker 2>depth to it. And he figured out what you're hearing

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>is called a harmonic, which is, you know, when one

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.360
<v Speaker 2>thing vibrates, things near it are also activated and maybe

0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 2>vibrate a little bit, and these little background frequencies vibrating

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 2>along with that a note create this richer, fuller sound

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 2>called the harmonic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, Hemholtz. This big contribution in the eighteen sixties

0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:23.160
<v Speaker 3>is to chart all of these harmonics. Yeah, so from

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<v Speaker 3>what I understand, then he would go through and say

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<v Speaker 3>an a on a cello has all these accompanying vibrations,

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and a on a violin has all these different vibrations

0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 3>and wrote them out as frequencies. Right, So he created

0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:42.160
<v Speaker 3>a scientific mathematic roadmap to recreating those frequencies using something

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 3>other than a cello or other than a violin. If

0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 3>you have that information and you can reproduce those frequencies together,

0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 3>they will make an artificial sound of a violin or

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 3>an artificial sound of a cello. This is what Helmholtz contributed,

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<v Speaker 3>which is pretty significe to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So back to k Hill again.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the American inventor who invented the first electro mechanical.

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think you said musical instrument?

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Did I just stop with electro mechanical? Yeah? Man, what sloppy.

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 2>That was called now you're not, You're great. That's called

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<v Speaker 2>the That was called the telehrmonium. And he created something

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 2>called the tone wheel, and it was you really should

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>look it up. It's kind of hard to describe. It's

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 2>this this very large disc shaped motor. It has cogs

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<v Speaker 2>and when you spin that rotor that working with a magnet,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, the same way you would with an

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 2>electric guitar. Pickup the cogs passed through a magnetic field

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 2>by this coiled copper wire around the magnet, and if

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you spin it at a steady pace, it's going to

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 2>generate a very specific frequency, an electrical frequency, And if

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.119
<v Speaker 2>you amplify that, that's where you're going to finally hear

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that musical tone come out that Hemholtz was talking about

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:58.159
<v Speaker 2>so many years earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what if you have say four hundred cogs

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.440
<v Speaker 3>on this tone wheel, and they passed through the electrical

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 3>field four hundred times a second, it makes one full

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 3>revolution per second, it will generate a current with a

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.400
<v Speaker 3>frequency of four hundred hertz, and that is the same

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 3>frequency as an A four note. So what K. Hills

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 3>has just done is create a way to reproduce that

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.720
<v Speaker 3>a four note or any note you want to if

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.160
<v Speaker 3>you can figure out what the frequency is thanks to Hemholtz,

0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 3>and then build a coog that has that number of

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 3>little prongs or something on it thanks to K. Hill.

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, So what he did, like we mentioned, was create

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>that teleharmonium, which was sort of like you said, the

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>very first.

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<v Speaker 1>Electro mechanical instrument. But it was a problem because it

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>was huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It weighed two hundred tons, it costs what would be

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 2>seven million dollars today, and it was the size of

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<v Speaker 2>a huge train car.

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<v Speaker 3>Two point two billion drachmas.

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 2>So obviously this thing's not going to sell. Nobody's interested

0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>in a telharmonium. But that really set the stage for

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 2>Larry Hammond's work.

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 3>Definitely so. And that's a really important point for inventors

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 3>to whenever you talk about an inventor, very very rare

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 3>that somebody comes up with a full idea from scratch,

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, they stand on the shoulders of giants. They

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 3>always say, that's what Hammond did. He was the first

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 3>person to figure out how to make this stuff practical,

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 3>and he had the wit and the brains and the

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 3>interest to make it happen. And so after k Hill

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.639
<v Speaker 3>basically gave up because he created a seven million dollars

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 3>two hundred ton train car of a electro mechanical instrument,

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 3>Hammond's was like, I'm going to pick this up. I

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 3>never saw Chuck if he knew about k Hill's invention,

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 3>or how he knew about k Hill's invention, or if

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 3>he was inspired by Kle I'm not sure. I think

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.439
<v Speaker 3>that it was who. I don't know, but he basically

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 3>took the tone wheel. However, he heard about it, and

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 3>he figured out how to make it much smaller, much

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.400
<v Speaker 3>more practical. Rather than the size of like a huge cylinder,

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 3>it was a size about a silver dollar. And when

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 3>you get something that is that useful down to that size,

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>you can put a bunch of them together and do

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 3>some really amazing stuff. And that's what he did. That

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.880
<v Speaker 3>was the basis of the Hammond organ That's right.

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>It didn't initially start out that way though. He had been,

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 2>like I said, selling a lot of electric clocks, was

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.439
<v Speaker 2>making pretty good money doing that, but then everybody started

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 2>making electric clocks and his company wasn't as valuable all

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden. And I don't think we mentioned that

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.439
<v Speaker 2>he was. He was an independent adventure but he wanted

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 2>to put people to work, like he was very proud

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 2>of supplying jobs to people. And he always wanted to

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 2>have like his successful company, you know, certainly to enrich himself,

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>but also so he could so he could put people

0:25:58.160 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to work. I mean, this was a lot of this

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>stuff was during the depression. A lot of his work

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 2>was so he's really proud of putting Americans to work.

0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think Hammond eventually ended up having like three

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>thousand employees when the organ was at its peak, which

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 2>was a really big deal to him.

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 1>But the clock is slowing down, not literally.

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>The business was though, and he was a little nervous

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>about what to do to keep the doors open. So

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>he initially thought of this tiny tone wheel thing to

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.959
<v Speaker 2>just make like a sound, and like, hey, it can

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 2>be a gimmick, a little gadget and you can have

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>this little tone wheel and plug it in and it

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>makes a sound and kids will love it, almost like

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a toy. But he had a assistant treasurer at Hammond

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 2>that was a church organist, and the organist was like, man,

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 2>you should make an organ. Like if you can make

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>one sound, you can make a lot of them. And

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 2>apparently Hammond loved the sound of a pipe organ, and

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 2>that was it. He had the other thing, which was

0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny that he was making a lot of

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 2>money on there also when away was this auto dealing

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 2>bridge table. It was a bridge table that under the

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 2>table had a little mechanical system that shuffled and dealt

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 2>cards literally under the table to each player, and he

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 2>sold fourteen thousand of those wow in two years.

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>But then everyone got tired of that.

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 2>So he was always looking for the next thing to

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>keep the doors open, and this, like, let's replicate a

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 2>pipe organ, was the next big thing.

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. One other thing about him. As a boss too

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:31.959
<v Speaker 3>and a company owner, he was smart enough to surround

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 3>himself with other very smart engineers, and in particular is

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 3>a guy named John Hannert who basically co created the

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Hammond organ with Hammond. I almost have the impression that

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 3>of the two, Hammond was the idea guy and Hannert

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 3>was the one who figured out how to do it.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 3>But when you put them together, what they did was

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 3>they took these tone wheels and at the behest of

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 3>the organ, playing treasurer at the Hammond company realized that

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 3>if you took ninety one of them, you could essentially

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 3>reproduce all the sounds that a pipe organ could make,

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 3>which is really something because a pipe organ can make

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 3>quite a bit of very rich sounds, a lot of

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 3>different sounds. That's kind of the point of a pipe organ.

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize until researching this is that it's meant

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 3>to not only just sound like an organ, but it's

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>also meant to mimic other instruments, and it does that

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 3>by mimicking the timber of a different thing. A timber

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 3>is like like you were talking about, where if you

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 3>play an A on a piano, it sounds different than

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 3>an A on a cello. Well, the difference is timber.

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 3>And if you can again figure out the harmonics surrounding

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 3>that note, you can recreate what it sounds like on

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 3>a piano in a or an A on a cello

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 3>and that pipe. Organs were able to do this. They

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 3>did it using compressed air mechanical stuff. John Hammon was

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 3>the one who's like, I can take one of these

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 3>giant things and size it down and make this whole

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 3>The same thing happen with electronics.

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like you know today, if you go buy

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>a cassio keyboard, it's going to say, you know, horns, strings, right, flute, trumpet,

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>guitar and those things never sound. Strings do a pretty

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 2>good job, but you know when you hit the if

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you play a series of horns, you're not going to

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>say like, oh my gosh, is they're a mariachi band

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>in here. It approximates the sound in a fun and

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>useful way.

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.479
<v Speaker 3>Even the samba beat's not going to dress that up

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 3>enough to pass muster, but you're right.

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>At the very least, this was like a big deal.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Pipeworkins could do it to get different sounds that would

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, like this is a flute or an organ

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>version of a flute.

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Yeah, they're called those were the stops. Like you

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 3>would pull a stop to let a rank or timber

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 3>of pipes play. You could close the stop to keep

0:29:57.800 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 3>that one from playing and allow other ones to play.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 3>One of Hammon's big breakthroughs was to figure out how

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 3>to do that again electronically.

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Like, if you've ever seen a pipe organ up close,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>they have these little round knobs and that's called the

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 2>stop knob, and it's either on or off, and you

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>pull it in or pull it out, and that's letting

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>compressed pressurized air in or out to change the sound.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 3>I saw that. That's where the term the phrase pulling

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:21.959
<v Speaker 3>out all the stops comes from. When you have all

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 3>the stops open, all the type are playing at the

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 3>same time, which is yeah, pretty cool.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>So Hammond figures all this out. He gets a piano guts.

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>It installs platinum switches, installs eight and a half miles

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>of wiring, installs hundreds of transistors, and they are spinning

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>these tiny tone wheel motors when you press a key,

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's pretty ingenious. So all of a sudden,

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>he's electrified this thing, even though he doesn't play a

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>musical instrument, and he's instead of using these these mechanical stops,

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 2>he has these these switches called tone bars. So if

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you ever see a Hammon organ and you see above

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the keys there kind of where the stop knobs are

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>in an organ, they're these little little bars that you

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>can just pull in or out and it has the

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>same effect basically. And you know, depending on who you are,

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>you might have your favorite tone bar settings for different songs.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I think the classic, like Jimmy Smith was this guy

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>that was sort of really popularized at jazz organ and

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows like this is the Jimmy Smith setting. Like

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 2>if you go to YouTube and you're talking about different

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 2>tone bar settings, they'd be like, oh, yeah, Jimmy Smith

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>pulled all three of these on the left out and

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>that was his setting, and you can replicate this stuff.

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty cool.

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So One of the things that Hammond was interested

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 3>in doing too, was rather than say, you know, make

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 3>this combination and it's the strings, or make this combination

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 3>it's the flute. Yeah, he left it up to the person.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 3>So like those those stops would have to do with

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 3>like attack and decay, like how fast the sound started

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 3>and how long it took to finally like go silent again.

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 3>These were like what the sound bars were doing. It

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 3>wasn't like, oh, I'll press this button and now it's

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 3>a string and the reason why I did that. He'd

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 3>likened it in an interview. I saw to how like

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 3>a true painter would never buy a flesh pink paint.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 3>They would they would buy a red paint and a

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 3>white paint, and you know, orange paint and green paint,

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 3>but like they would make their own paint. He was saying,

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 3>like his ham and organ allows an organist to create

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 3>their own sounds by putting together this basic stuff and

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 3>creating something incredibly rich. And in fact, I think they

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 3>calculated that there were two hundred and fifty three million

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 3>possible tonal variations that you could come up with with

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 3>the Hammond Organ.

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Amazing. That's from thirty eight drawbars really really cool. Yeah,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>for sure, should we take a breaker now, I was

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna say we should probably take a break.

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, all right, let's do it. So Hammond's Organs

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 3>took off really quickly. I think he sold fourteen hundred

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 3>or something like that the first year. Imagine that, chuck. Yeah,

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot so and I think they were originally

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 3>about thirty thousand dollars today. I don't know how many drakmas,

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 3>but they were twelve hundred and fifty dollars in the

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 3>thirties the mid thirties, and it's a lot of money.

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Like you had to be wealthy, and you had to

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 3>be really into music, or you had to have a

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 3>church that was kind of wealthy to afford it. But

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 3>that's who he marketed to, serious musicians, home musicians, professional musicians,

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 3>but also churches more than anything. And it worked. Like

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 3>you sold fourteen in the first year.

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, George Gershwin supposedly the first person to buy one,

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 2>even though Henry Ford said he wanted the first six.

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 2>But as the story goes, George Gershwan got the first.

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 2>He's selling to a like you said, a lot of churches.

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 2>I think what was the number, like by nineteen sixty five,

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>more than fifty thousand churches had Hammond organs. By nineteen

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight there were one thousand churches, but also baseball stadium.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>So if you've ever been to a baseball.

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Stadium, they play those Hammond organs radio soap operas very

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>early on, you know started you know, if you remember

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>like the dramatic music of us So on the radio,

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>that was an organ, a Hammond organ. So nineteen thirty six,

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 2>this is just one year into the Hammond organ. Things

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 2>are really really doing well. And the pipe organ industry

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>starts complaining to the FTC and they're like, this guy

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>is out there making all these claims about how you

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>can replicate every sound on a pipe organ, how it

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>sounds the same as a ten thousand dollars pipe organ,

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>and like these are false claims and he can't say

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. So the FTC started snooping around and they said,

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what, you can't make these claims. You can't

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>say that stuff in your ads, and we're going to

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>give you a cease and desist letter that says like

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>what you can and can't say. And Hammond says, you

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 2>know what we should do, We should have a blind

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>listening test of it's like a John Henry thing, like

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>my little I think it was a twenty six hundred

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 2>dollars organ that he used and a seventy five thousand

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 2>dollars pipe organ and let's go head to head and

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>have experts listen in and say what they think.

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's what they staged I think, I think

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen thirty six.

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I think that happened in thirty seven, but

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 2>this had been he'd been fighting with the FTC for

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 2>a while at that point.

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so yeah, that was exactly the kind of guy

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>he was. He would he was exactly the kind of

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 3>person to come up with a blind listening test to

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 3>settle things with the FTC. You know, that's not how

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the FTC did things, but John Hammond kind of made

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 3>them do it that way. And it was really really

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 3>risky because he he would have been essentially guilty of

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 3>unfair business practices and that could have all sorts of

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 3>terrible effects. But from what I saw that they weren't

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>going to let him use the name or the word

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 3>organ for his instrument anymore. H Really, I'm guessing that

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that would have had a pretty big damper on business

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 3>as well. So he had a lot riding on this

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 3>blind test, and it was very mavericky to suggest it

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 3>in the first place. But in nineteen thirty seven at

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 3>the University of Chicago Chapel they went head to head.

0:36:55.120 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 3>They hid speakers, Hammond speakers among the pipes, and put

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 3>both the organ, the hammin organ and the pipe organ

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 3>behind screens, and they had thirty different little pieces of

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>music and each one played fifteen, and that panel of

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 3>judges that you mentioned, they marked down which of those

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 3>thirty they thought had played it the pipe organ or

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 3>the hammin organ.

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and these were professional musicians judging. I think there

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 2>were nine of them. Most of them were organists, of course.

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>And then he also had fifteen college students, and he

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 2>ended up basically winning. I think they I saw different

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>numbers of how much they were correctly identifying. They were

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 2>wrong a third of the time. I saw they were

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 2>wrong half of the time. At the end of the day,

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>what happened was the FTC said, and this is nineteen

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight by this point, so this thing's dragging out.

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 2>They said, all right, here's a new season dissorder. You

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 2>can't say it can reproduce a ten thousand dollars organ

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 2>because they could tell the difference there. But you know,

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 2>they did find that produced like other words that were using,

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 2>was that it sounded real, that it was produced fine music,

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>that it produced beautiful music. And he was able to

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.839
<v Speaker 2>use this wordage and all his ads moving forward, which

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he took as a big victory.

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh for sure. And I believe it was out

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.800
<v Speaker 3>of that battle where they calculated the two hundred and

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 3>fifty three million different tonal sounds. Oh interesting, And I

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 3>believe they started using that for marketing too, because if

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 3>you ask me, if I'm just an ordinary Joe, two

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty three million different tones and makes the

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 3>as good a sound as a pipe organ, I'm gonna

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 3>be more wowed by the two hundred and fifty three

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 3>million tones, even though the pipe organ makes three hundred

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 3>million different tones, because the pipe organ people aren't out

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 3>there marketing to me like that.

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>And John Hammond is so if you're a Joe keyboardist, yeah,

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you see the value in this thing, for sure.

0:38:59.360 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 3>I agree.

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Everyone talked about Joe the plumber. No one ever talked

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>about Joe the keeper.

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I forgot about Joe the Plumber.

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Good lord, is that Sarah Palin?

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember. I don't remember. But if you're going

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.760
<v Speaker 3>to make a movie about the two thousand aughtsright, having

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 3>him like somewhere in the background would really be a

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 3>nice touch. Yeah.

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>And Soybomb?

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 3>What was that?

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Soybomb was the guy who rushed the stage and I

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.320
<v Speaker 2>think it was a Grammy's during Bob Dylan's acceptance speech.

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, I don't remember that at all.

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>And he had a shirt on this said Soybomb.

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't remember that.

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't remember the year, and I'm sure I

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>got some of that wrong, but Soybomb and it was right.

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't Bob Dylan. It was Bob Newhart, that's right.

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>When he went was Grammy? All right?

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 2>So he's backtilling these organs again. Famous people are using him.

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Baseball team stadiums are using him. Soap operas and churches.

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's getting on board. A woman comes along by the

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 2>name of Ethel Smith, who probably did more to popularize

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the Hammond or than anybody else.

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 1>She was in a movie, a Red.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Skelt movie called Bathing Beauty and played this song, and

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 2>it's on YouTube. You should check it out. Ladies got

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 2>crazy fingers. She's so fast, And it was like a

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Brazilian kind of song called Tico Tico that became a

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 2>smash international musical sensation.

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and Ethel Smith was she kind of idolized John

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Hammond because she realized what he had done by creating

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 3>this Hammond organ, and so it was kind of symbiotic.

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Even though she didn't meet him until much later, but

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.240
<v Speaker 3>she always kind of idolized him and was very grateful

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 3>to him. Yeah, because you know, without her or without him,

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 3>she said, she would have probably gotten into an older

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 3>profession than music, right what she meant. And then without her,

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 3>his his organ just wouldn't have been as well known.

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:56.959
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, absolutely, that song was huge.

0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Also, Jimmy Smith, the afore mentioned no relation to Ethel

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>jazz musician, even though people before him used it, he

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 2>really kind of took it to a new level. And

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 2>then we have to talk about because I know there

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 2>are keyboard players and Hammond enthusiasts. They're like, guys, you

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 2>can't talk about the ham and organ without talking about

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.479
<v Speaker 2>the Leslie speaker. Yeah, if you've ever been to a show,

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 2>a concert and you've seen a ham and Organ. I

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>almost guarantee you that sitting beside that organ is this

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 2>giant brown wooden box that doesn't even look like a

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>speaker because it doesn't have a big, round, graded panel

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 2>like most speakers do. And you might be thinking, what

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 2>in the world is that thing? Even that is called

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a Leslie speaker and it is the key I think

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 2>to and many people agree to what makes the Hamm

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 2>and Organ sound so amazing?

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Don Leslie was like, Hey, I came up

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 3>with this speaker that works really well with your organ

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 3>and makes it sound a lot better. Can I come

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 3>work for you or do you want to buy my idea?

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 3>And remember I said at the outset that Hammond was

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of egotistical here or there, and he was also

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I think you said, tone deaf. And apparently when you

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 3>put those two things together, he wasn't at all impressed

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 3>with Leslie's invention because he couldn't hear any difference. And

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 3>he also, I think didn't really like somebody telling him

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 3>that they had come up with something that improved on

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 3>his invention totally. So for decades there was a almost

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 3>a one sided cold war between the Hammond Company, or

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 3>specifically I think I called him John Hammond, Larry Hammond

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 3>and Don Leslie and Leslie's company. He's had no expense.

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 3>He would he would not entertain the idea of using

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 3>these Leslie speakers in his organs. He wouldn't let anybody

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 3>else do it. But they worked so well, Chuck, that

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 3>if you were a Hammond dealer, an authorized Hammond dealer,

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 3>you would secretly like if somebody came in and bought

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>a B three from you, you'd be like, let me

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 3>show you something in the back, and you'd take them

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 3>back there. You'd be like, you really have to have

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 3>this because it makes it so much better.

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He would even change the switches out from year

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>to year so you couldn't use it like you had

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to modify it basically to use with a B Leslie.

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 2>So the Leslie is really interesting. It's probably we should

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>do a short stuff on it. But the secret to

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the Leslie is it's also electro mechanical because it takes

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>your sound and instead of just pumping it out like

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 2>a regular speaker, it shoots the sound in two directions.

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>It shoots it down to a base speaker that is

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>literally rotating, and shoots it up to these two cones.

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>They look like sort of like the old ear cones

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 2>that you would put to your ear to hear somebody

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 2>better if you are hard of hearing. That were on

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>what looks like kind of like a record turntable, and

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>these things spin and it would shoot the sound toward that,

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and the sound would spin through these spinning cones and

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 2>come out the other side through the speaker. It did,

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not like it didn't have any venting

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>for sound. It had these little slits at the top,

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 2>but not like a big, huge round hole yah.

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And it was a belt driven.

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Thing by a motor, and these things would spin and

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>it was a variable speed, so if you had it

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>really really slow, it was sort of a warble. If

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>you spun it really really fast, it's that sound of

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>classic rock that you know and love, or just rock

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 2>and roll. If you hear a key pressed with that

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Leslie speaker spinning at top speed, it's that vibrato that

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 2>instead of just the ware, and it makes an organ

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>sound flat by comparison when you're not using one, I'll bet,

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and really just brings it alive in a small space. So,

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, a pipe organ one of the reasons a

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>pipe organ sounds great is because it's used in a cathedral.

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 2>If you're in your basement and you can't replicate a

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>really great sound, this Leslie really aids in that.

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 3>The other thing it does as it serves as an

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 3>alternate portal to Narnia. Once it gets spinning really fast,

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 3>tears open the fabric of time and space.

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so hats off to Don Leslie. You know, just

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a genius invention to go hand in hand, and I

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 2>wish Larry Hammond had embraced it, but.

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh he did not.

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ego got in the way.

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I think even after he retired he tried to prevent

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 3>the company from from doing business with hand with Leslie. Yeah. Yeah,

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 3>basically right when he died, they started adding Leslie speakers

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 3>to their setups. It's pretty cool. So Larry Hammond, I

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 3>think I said John again. If I did, I'm sorry everybody.

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna move forward. But he's he was more

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 3>than just the ham and organ inventor and the tickless clock,

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 3>the tick in the box clock inventor, or the automatic

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:59.439
<v Speaker 3>bridge table inventor. He did all sorts of other stuff too. Yeah.

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>He then probably the first synthesizer it's called the novachord.

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 2>It's you should watch youtubes of this thing if you're

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>into musical instruments like old time Ewins's.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 1>This was in nineteen thirty nine.

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Robert Mogue was a five year old who you know,

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>gets credited as being the synthesizer inventor, so he invitted

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the novachord.

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>He invented all kinds of great stuff. I think he died.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 2>After his death, he ended up with one hundred and

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 2>ten patents to his name. CBS bought he died in

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three. CBS had bought Hammond in nineteen sixty five.

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 2>They had also bought the Fender guitar company, so that's

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 2>when CBS thought it was in the music instrument business

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>for a little while. Hammond bought it back in nineteen

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 2>eighty from CBS. In eighty five they went out of business.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 2>So like the last true Hammond B three I think

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.800
<v Speaker 2>rolled off the line in those years and there I

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 2>think they made a couple of million organs. So it's

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>not like if you want to and B three organ

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 2>you can find them today. It's they aren't cheap, but

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not like some huge rare collector item.

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Or anything like that.

0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.399
<v Speaker 3>One other thing I thought I thought was noteworthy, Chuck

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 3>a while back, you talked about how he was, like,

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, a good boss, and he was very proud

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 3>of employing people. Two different presidents of the ham and

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Company started out at the bottom. One is an office

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 3>boy and one in the mailroom and worked their way up.

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 3>That's I mean, just having one president having done that

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 3>is pretty impressive, but two is really significant. And really

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it says a lot about the kind of

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 3>company he built totally.

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Suzuki, by the way, as a PostScript, bought Hammond in

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine, right Suzuki of the motorcycle keyboard fame. Sure,

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>And in two thousand and two they started making a

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 2>new version of the B three again. I think it's

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 2>called the x K three. And I listened to a comparison.

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure where players I purists will say like, no, man,

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 2>you gotta have the original Hammond.

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>But it sounded just like it to me. It's a

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 1>little brighter.

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they need to set up a blind listening test.

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 2>We should have at the Rockefeller Cathedral in Chicago. But uh, anyway,

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:18.879
<v Speaker 2>that XK three, it sounded pretty good to me. Cool

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 2>for my dumb semi musical year.

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you got anything else?

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else. I enjoy these.

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 3>We'll have to.

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we've done one of Mog yet, have we?

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so you keep saying Mogue. It's very

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.799
<v Speaker 3>clearly Moog it's mo I don't know.

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>But uh we should. We should do him one day.

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I love I love covering these sort of pioneers and

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 1>musical invention.

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's a good little sweet we're building. Okay, agreed,

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.320
<v Speaker 3>A sweet sweet, So Chuck said, sweet sweet everybody, And

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.879
<v Speaker 3>as longtime listeners know that just unlocked listener mail.

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call this quick correction. Hey, guys, love the show,

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for tech the hard stuff. A quick correction from

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the zenobiotics episode, Josh says during the explanation of p

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 2>fas that they get into the municipal wastewater and we

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 2>have no idea how to get them out of our water.

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>That isn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>Granular activated carbon and reverse osmosis are two ways to

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<v Speaker 2>remove p fas from water. Lots of drinking water treatment

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<v Speaker 2>systems are currently using this technology as we speak to

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<v Speaker 2>remove p fasts, not saying they're an expensive and difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to manage, but they do exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep up the great work, Whitney B.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot, Whitney B. With that bit of good news,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad we can get p fasts out of our water. Yes.

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