Speaker 1: Hi listeners just a quick heads up out of the
Speaker 1: shadows tell stories of people fleeing and living in sometimes
Speaker 1: violent environments. Shortly after receiving Urca, Barney Santos, his mom
Speaker 1: Sonia started a new tradition, taking him to for his birthday.
Speaker 1: A fading photo from one of those trips shows his
Speaker 1: family sitting on the stoop in front of a weathered
Speaker 1: concrete wall. It could be evening. Sonya seated wearing a
Speaker 1: sporty striped shirt and a bright red Fannie Pack, casual
Speaker 1: but cute outfit very early nineties, leaning against her as
Speaker 1: a baby, bottle of milk in its mouth, staring straight
Speaker 1: at the camera. Behind her, Varney's aunt and cousins sitting
Speaker 1: in a wooden doors frame. Just too Sonia's left is Barney,
Speaker 1: sitting a little tentively on the edge of the stoop.
Speaker 1: He's got a boy's regular haircut, wearing shorts and a
Speaker 1: navy blue tshirt with U s a strown across it
Speaker 1: twice and red, white and blue letters. Barney says he
Speaker 1: packed the shirt without even thinking about it. He wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to make a show of it to his cousin's
Speaker 1: It was after all, just a shirt, but it's also
Speaker 1: a proclamation that his home, heart, and life are on
Speaker 1: the other side. The message is clear, Barney is American.
Speaker 1: Barney was born and raised in Los Angeles. He built
Speaker 1: his life there was a place he visited. He loves,
Speaker 1: spending birth days there and taking in the rich Salvadoran culture. Still,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles was his home, his community, his place of comfort.
Speaker 1: But Los Angeles was never home for Sonia. For Sonia,
Speaker 1: home will always be El Salvador. First generation Latino Americans
Speaker 1: are torn by competing forces. Kids don't want to stick out,
Speaker 1: They want a sense of normalcy. As a kid, Varney
Speaker 1: resented his mom for buying him shoes from Payless toys
Speaker 1: from Los Cajones in Santi Ali, But as he got older,
Speaker 1: he wanted to love it Salvador the way his mother did.
Speaker 1: This photo is a small window into that angst. Because Salvador,
Speaker 1: amongst his family's roots, his mind and attention are still
Speaker 1: concerned with his American ones. What Barney didn't know at
Speaker 1: the time this picture was taken was all the hardship
Speaker 1: and sacrifices his mom Sonia made to be sitting on
Speaker 1: those steps. It wasn't until he was older that he
Speaker 1: began to appreciate all his mom did to raise her family.
Speaker 1: She is a survivor, a provider, and a resilient person
Speaker 1: who wanted her children to be proud of where they
Speaker 1: came from without living in fear. And why she couldn't
Speaker 1: afford to give him name brand things, he soon realized
Speaker 1: she gave him a priceless gift, a broader perspective of
Speaker 1: I'm Patty Rodriguez and I'm Vera Lindo. And this is
Speaker 1: out of the shadows children of any six and all
Speaker 1: that immigrants and their children have long lived in the
Speaker 1: shadows of America. Their destinies aren't just shaped by where
Speaker 1: they come from, but by their particular place in history.
Speaker 1: In the lives of millions of immigrants and their children
Speaker 1: were changed by one lucky stroke of a pen by
Speaker 1: an unlikely ally, President Ronald Regan. This podcast will examine
Speaker 1: the ripple effects that Bill had on first generation kids
Speaker 1: of immigrants who are navigating intergenerational mobility and transforming the
Speaker 1: cultural landscape. This is an untold story of luck, timing, triumph, opportunity, survival,
Speaker 1: and of course hope. The fact that Sonia could get
Speaker 1: on a plane to travel back to a Salvador without
Speaker 1: fear of deportation was revolutionary. My parents lives also changed
Speaker 1: so much in the years right after Urka, and it
Speaker 1: started with the basics, better jobs, more stability, a better
Speaker 1: place to live. One of the first major things my
Speaker 1: parents did after getting amnesty was moved out of East
Speaker 1: La into a studio apartment in Lynnwood. I remember it
Speaker 1: being so small, but I can still feel my family's
Speaker 1: excitement to make it our own place, our home. We
Speaker 1: no longer had to share space with my cousin's aunts
Speaker 1: and uncles. We no longer had to sleep on the floor.
Speaker 1: It was a studio, but even then we had a
Speaker 1: little bit more privacy. The second place we moved to
Speaker 1: was a back house on someone's property with one room.
Speaker 1: There still wasn't much space, so we slept in bunk
Speaker 1: beds with my parents. But I had a backyard, an
Speaker 1: avocado tree, and a wabba tree, and to me, that
Speaker 1: was everything. Eventually, my parents bought a small house that
Speaker 1: didn't have a yard. I used to stare at our
Speaker 1: neighbor's yard, dreaming of one day having the courage to
Speaker 1: ask my neighbor if I could buy half of it.
Speaker 1: For my family, for my mom, for a lot of
Speaker 1: us children. Nobody six like me. The dreaming really started
Speaker 1: because of our parents. Out of the Shadows will be
Speaker 1: right back now, back to the show. Sonya Santos came
Speaker 1: from humble beginnings. She grew up in a town about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes away from the capital. My childhood was really, really,
Speaker 1: really sad. We were really poor. I used to go
Speaker 1: to school in the morning without eating, and I used
Speaker 1: to come back at night without any food in my
Speaker 1: stomach and getting home and trying to see how I
Speaker 1: can get something. I used to go to the places
Speaker 1: where they sell tortillas, and the lady who sell the
Speaker 1: tortillas um all the tortillas that people don't want, and
Speaker 1: she used to save it and give it to me.
Speaker 1: With her mom always working, so you became a curcuit
Speaker 1: caretaker to her four siblings, even though she was just
Speaker 1: a kid herself. Until my mother come back from his work.
Speaker 1: I was like the mother for everybody. It was just
Speaker 1: like it was really hard. My my life was really tough.
Speaker 1: It was like it's like I always tell my son,
Speaker 1: you know, I worked since I remember, hm, oh my life,
Speaker 1: and but I was I was a happy girl. I was.
Speaker 1: I was even though I was poor, and I was
Speaker 1: always happy. But I think the happiness for me and
Speaker 1: was now used to play soccer. That was the best
Speaker 1: thing for me. It's so inspirational that even through all
Speaker 1: the hardship she found joy showing you even had the
Speaker 1: audacity to dream about a career as a nurse. But
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, all those dreams were shattered. It
Speaker 1: was a civil word. That means the gorillas want us
Speaker 1: to join them, and then the government want us to
Speaker 1: join them too. That I mean we were chasing from
Speaker 1: both sides. They want all the young people too to
Speaker 1: join well, and we don't want to do that. She
Speaker 1: was desperate to get out of the war zone, but
Speaker 1: so you didn't have the slightest idea how she was
Speaker 1: going to manage that. She left her small town and
Speaker 1: traveled to the big city, looking for work, trying to save,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out an escape route. Then one day
Speaker 1: she caught a break. A pair of twin sisters she
Speaker 1: met in the city were leaving for America, and they
Speaker 1: liked Sonia enough that they wanted her to come with them.
Speaker 1: So they made this plan. They let me borrow the
Speaker 1: money because I didn't have the money from us, and
Speaker 1: then when I came here and I say the money
Speaker 1: where I can pay them back. The first trip was unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: When Sonya and the twins got to the Frontea, immigration
Speaker 1: caught them and sent them back to All Salvador. We
Speaker 1: did him and with the three of us, we we
Speaker 1: worked the and the Emmi Rachel took us and they
Speaker 1: reported reported us, the three of us. Then we went
Speaker 1: back to the sens and the plane. The second time
Speaker 1: was even more dangerous, not because of the trip itself,
Speaker 1: but because of a terrifying running with some horrible men
Speaker 1: who tried to sexually assault her. The was really, really,
Speaker 1: really bad. One of the the guys who was taking us,
Speaker 1: he wanted to rape me. And in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night we were the three, the three of us,
Speaker 1: we were sleeping in the floor and he was trying
Speaker 1: to rape me. But one of the twins, she was
Speaker 1: really bad, I mean she would you know? She she
Speaker 1: I was really I was from little town. You know,
Speaker 1: people from little town we're not the saying like the
Speaker 1: people from the city. We don't know too much. One
Speaker 1: of the twins offered herself to spare Sonia, and I
Speaker 1: was crying and crying, and then one of them, she
Speaker 1: saw that he wanted to rape me, and you know
Speaker 1: what she did. She took him and she took him
Speaker 1: outside to let him do it with her. Don't have
Speaker 1: to do it to me. One of the painful things
Speaker 1: about this show. He's hearing the pain and fear our
Speaker 1: parents enjured in this particular pains just part of the
Speaker 1: horrors many women face when crossing the border, and then
Speaker 1: to have to carry on to make it across anyway.
Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking for Sonia. The dangerous journey continued at the
Speaker 1: bottom of a bus, where she was hiding in the
Speaker 1: luggage compartment. Though the trip only took about three hours,
Speaker 1: the feeling of the buses motor vibrating on her back
Speaker 1: is forever ingrained into her psyche. They put me in
Speaker 1: one of those buses, you know how under where they
Speaker 1: put the luggage. They put me in there and down
Speaker 1: when they put the luggage all the way to the end,
Speaker 1: with all the luggage on the top of me, it
Speaker 1: was so hot, maybe like three hours. It was really
Speaker 1: really hot. I can feel the model on the bus
Speaker 1: on my back. But that how I crossed that time
Speaker 1: not have no problems. The three of us were crossed.
Speaker 1: She first landed in Maywood, California, and subsisted on a
Speaker 1: meager wage working factory jobs. All the money she made,
Speaker 1: she sent it back home towards Salvador. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a way to go anywhere, and all my money that
Speaker 1: I used to make, I used to sell it to
Speaker 1: my mom. I didn't have no money. I used to
Speaker 1: just save a little bit, used to eat whatever I
Speaker 1: need to eat. Sonia saved up enough to buy fake documents.
Speaker 1: She worked during the day and used her bogus credit
Speaker 1: shows to enroll a night school. Just like my mom.
Speaker 1: I buy my my faith idea and my faith grink
Speaker 1: car and everything. They didn't ask you for anything. They
Speaker 1: just asked you for that. And then I was working.
Speaker 1: And then I started working and working, and I to
Speaker 1: the high school, to the Huntington Park High School. I
Speaker 1: used to work from Maywood at night every night to
Speaker 1: go from Park Yeah, to learn, and I really dark
Speaker 1: about now you o'clock we used to get off from school,
Speaker 1: and that's the time that I used to go back
Speaker 1: by myself. In three she had her firstborn, Barney. One
Speaker 1: of the nurses was also from my Salvador and encouraged
Speaker 1: her to apply for a job, and she did. Sonia
Speaker 1: worked in at the hospital for years until the crackdown
Speaker 1: on undocumented workers in they discover everybody who was a
Speaker 1: document in the hospital. We were thirteen nurses with no papers.
Speaker 1: And then my supervisor she she was crying because she said, Sonya,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to let you go. And then she said,
Speaker 1: let me tell you one thing. I'm gonna say your
Speaker 1: position for one year. I want you to go there
Speaker 1: and find the papers and come back. And I promised
Speaker 1: you I'm gonna keep your position. I'm not gonna give
Speaker 1: it to anybody. About a year later, a friend called
Speaker 1: and told her to turn on the TV. Somebody called me.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. And then she said, Sonya, just
Speaker 1: what And she told me who the TV is? In
Speaker 1: channel thirty four they're talking about I'll put it the TV.
Speaker 1: And then I turned the TV and I saw it.
Speaker 1: I started crying when they started giving you the list
Speaker 1: of the qualifications. If you have this and this and
Speaker 1: this and this, you can qualify Irka through Sonia a lifeline.
Speaker 1: I was crying, crying and crying. I cried. I was
Speaker 1: one of the first ones that I got it from
Speaker 1: the county. And then when I got my papers, I
Speaker 1: went back to the hospital and I gave it to
Speaker 1: Dr Cleveland. She put it on a picture and she said,
Speaker 1: you got it. You got your position. She saved it
Speaker 1: for me, and I got it. I went back to
Speaker 1: the same department with the same position. Everything cracked open,
Speaker 1: getting a green card, mental possibility of getting her job back.
Speaker 1: I can't believe in myself. I was, I was grateful,
Speaker 1: I was crying. I was I remember, I want to
Speaker 1: meet President Ring. I want to go see him. I
Speaker 1: want to say him. But more importantly, it meant she
Speaker 1: could plant roots in this country. It's a big different,
Speaker 1: it's a big opportunities. It's just it's like they opened
Speaker 1: a door for you. Everything is hoping for you. You
Speaker 1: can apply for anything, you can go to school. So
Speaker 1: your Santos path after Irka is deeply personal but not uncommon.
Speaker 1: It may seem obvious, but the bill's biggest impact on
Speaker 1: the immigrants too received amnesty was economic mobility. There are
Speaker 1: a bunch of stats on this. We looked at that data.
Speaker 1: That's Marty Powers. She was part of a government commission
Speaker 1: study of irka's impact and found that the history of
Speaker 1: the undocumented immigrants roots not so different from the history
Speaker 1: of most immigrants who have come to this country over time.
Speaker 1: It's not just one government study either, Across several studies
Speaker 1: a slew of economic data from the Bush Institute to
Speaker 1: you see, Davis findings consistently show getting legal status impacts
Speaker 1: economic status. The lessons we learned from it is that
Speaker 1: the legalized, undocumented or illegal immigrants improve their status the
Speaker 1: same way every other immigrant did in the United States,
Speaker 1: at least after after legalization. Certainly he did, being maybe
Speaker 1: not past the middle but up towards areas where they
Speaker 1: afford better housing. Uh, their children go to school. Even
Speaker 1: though Barney Santos was one of those kids of immigrants
Speaker 1: who got to go to college thanks to IRKA, his
Speaker 1: mom had a much tougher road moving upwardly. I used
Speaker 1: to sell anything you can put in front of me,
Speaker 1: I used to sell it. Sonya Santos has always been
Speaker 1: a hustler because she got her education on the streets
Speaker 1: of Cohotel back. That's what Barney's like that because I
Speaker 1: used to take him with me all the time to Damntown.
Speaker 1: But I used to sell everything. I even used to
Speaker 1: do fashion shows in my house to sell clothes. I
Speaker 1: used to go to downtown every Saturday and sell persons
Speaker 1: that Bell's silver Goal, anything I can name it, I
Speaker 1: used to sell it to collect money. That's how I
Speaker 1: raised my kids. And after getting Arka, her hustle and
Speaker 1: drive help Sonya secure the future for her family. After
Speaker 1: years of struggle, surviving the war assault being smuggled on
Speaker 1: a bus, Sonya finally was able to buy a how
Speaker 1: Sin Downey, a k a. The Mexican Beverly Hills, the
Speaker 1: fancy Latino suburb in southeast Los Angeles where my family
Speaker 1: also moved to after Urica, and I can after that
Speaker 1: they have a good life. She came to this country
Speaker 1: with almost nothing, escaping an almost impossible circumstance, but getting
Speaker 1: her green card was a game changer, and her son, Barney,
Speaker 1: is really proud of that. My mom was always somebody
Speaker 1: who just took care of everyone around her, you know,
Speaker 1: like at one point, not even one point, Like we
Speaker 1: lived to Downey, my grandma lived with us, my aunt,
Speaker 1: my aunts, her sister, my cousin, my sister. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: had a like a living nanny. Um so the house
Speaker 1: was always full, always full, no matter what, with people
Speaker 1: just kind of living there or staying there. Sometimes my
Speaker 1: sister had friends and my mama let them stay at
Speaker 1: the house too, So it just was a constant like
Speaker 1: open door. My I've just always been that way, you know.
Speaker 1: I think everybody looked at my mom and saw like, oh,
Speaker 1: like my mom, somebody who's got it together, out of
Speaker 1: the shadows will be right back now back to the show.
Speaker 1: For Alberto Vidal Orca cleared the way for a practical
Speaker 1: purchase's ans and pick up ven lo lovely car, blue car, lovely,
Speaker 1: we love it like blue me leel and my wife
Speaker 1: his family needed a way to get around, you know,
Speaker 1: divery thing we think he won't. We got the the
Speaker 1: green car is to buy a car, you know, because
Speaker 1: with a new car, because for the transportation before we
Speaker 1: were just using you know, uh the second card and
Speaker 1: uh you know, but we we needed for my wife,
Speaker 1: we needed to have a you know, a good transportation,
Speaker 1: you know, for at least five years everything. Getting a
Speaker 1: green card made it easier to get a car and
Speaker 1: eventually a house. And after that we change. No, we
Speaker 1: we've had things, you know, and when we we bought
Speaker 1: the house. You know, was the main thing that people
Speaker 1: want to get a house. So you know Lena in
Speaker 1: that year was like was seven and then comes the
Speaker 1: upkeep which is expensive. With a green card, Alberto could
Speaker 1: apply for a loan for renovations on the home he
Speaker 1: worked so hard to buy. I remember they give you
Speaker 1: like a fifteen thou dollars day and you have power.
Speaker 1: But we use you used to the house to torch
Speaker 1: the house. Because if I use in a different way,
Speaker 1: because I have many many friends when he happened this
Speaker 1: this situations that you spend in a different way. So
Speaker 1: we improve in the house. We learned a lot of
Speaker 1: things from this country. You you can have nine things,
Speaker 1: but you know you need to work hard and we
Speaker 1: change everything. You know, floor painting, you know its carpet,
Speaker 1: you know, furniture, everything, So we renovated the teaching and everything.
Speaker 1: We paint again a lot of things. You know, that
Speaker 1: green card helped Alberto's family create a legacy in this country,
Speaker 1: something he does not take for granted. But this this country.
Speaker 1: A loves this country because to give me the chances
Speaker 1: to have my family here, to have my my daughter here,
Speaker 1: to have my grandkids in here and part of that
Speaker 1: legacy Alberto created was the generational wealth he gave his
Speaker 1: daughter Lena, who got to witness her family's ascent firsthand,
Speaker 1: driving from street to street to street to street to
Speaker 1: find a house that was perfect. And we just happened
Speaker 1: to be driving by the house and they were just
Speaker 1: about to put up the first sale sign, and so
Speaker 1: my mom gets out of the car all excited and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh my, you know, we're looking for a house,
Speaker 1: and somehow just everything clicked. It wasn't perfect, but it
Speaker 1: was theirs and renovating the place with that loner parents
Speaker 1: got it's still a fond memory. It was nice because
Speaker 1: it turned into a family project and everybody was together
Speaker 1: and so and that I want to say because of that,
Speaker 1: I got really I got to know a lot of
Speaker 1: my family. Right. We are a reflection of our parents dreams.
Speaker 1: Varney Santos, the kid in that photo at the top
Speaker 1: of the show, is one of those people. In the
Speaker 1: first episode we talked about both of our market Manabello, California.
Speaker 1: It is a community space for Latinos owned and operated
Speaker 1: by black and brown entrepreneurs like me, and it was
Speaker 1: all Barney's vision. I just I learned so much from
Speaker 1: my mom just watching her, Like, I have so much
Speaker 1: respect for what she went through, and it's something he
Speaker 1: couldn't have been able to do without the battles his
Speaker 1: mom's Sonia fought like my mom talked a lot about
Speaker 1: right now the struggle of kind of coming here, but
Speaker 1: she's not even touching on just the struggle of being
Speaker 1: in this country, raising a family on her own with
Speaker 1: a thought. My father wasn't in the picture, and you
Speaker 1: saw she's the matriarch of their entire family. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be who I am today if it wasn't for her
Speaker 1: Sonya believed it was important for Barney to understand and
Speaker 1: appreciate his Salvadoran culture. It was important to have that perspective.
Speaker 1: I used to take Himo to celebrate his birthday with
Speaker 1: the boss and everything all that went into opening Boulevard Market. Well,
Speaker 1: it might seem like a small detail, it meant everything
Speaker 1: that Barney could be proud of being Central American without
Speaker 1: the fear of persecution. I think a lot of times
Speaker 1: when when if there's there, there's families who are living
Speaker 1: in fear, and then they have kids, and then the
Speaker 1: kids only see that fear in their parents, and so
Speaker 1: they sort of take on those things and then they
Speaker 1: live in fear right, and then they and then they're
Speaker 1: not able to be the best versions of themselves or
Speaker 1: go to the best schools, or do the best businesses,
Speaker 1: or have the best careers because there's something in the
Speaker 1: back of their head that's saying live in fear. Amnesty
Speaker 1: gave Sonia their renewed confidence to inspire her son to
Speaker 1: reach for the stars. She basically told me every single day,
Speaker 1: you can do anything you want, you can be anyone
Speaker 1: you want. Don't be afraid to do what ever. And
Speaker 1: I always believed her. But without that piece of paper,
Speaker 1: like how could she even say that, she wouldn't even
Speaker 1: believe herself something as simple as not living in fear
Speaker 1: means everything without that weight crushing her self esteem, his psyche,
Speaker 1: his aspirations. I used to sleep next to him, and
Speaker 1: he in the bed, but right next to the bear,
Speaker 1: just thinking about where were happening. If they take me,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you and you hear so many stories,
Speaker 1: oh the kids, because he's from here, they're gonna take
Speaker 1: it to the system, and they're gonna send you to
Speaker 1: nobody has a glue what kind of feeling is that
Speaker 1: it's really really is to me, it's a trauma leaving
Speaker 1: that fair every night thinking about that it can't happen.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is Barney didn't even know his
Speaker 1: mom was on her recipient. But I had no idea
Speaker 1: until you texted me about the amnesty. Think I've never
Speaker 1: really got to even ask you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: because you think, like about these high level political moves
Speaker 1: and the macro and micro economic like implications of it
Speaker 1: in this country, right like if that never happened, like
Speaker 1: I would not be doing what I do, You wouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing what you do? How many jobs have we created?
Speaker 1: How many millions of dollars of sales tax revenue for
Speaker 1: cities and for the state that we've created? How much
Speaker 1: you know, how much of the economic impact just you
Speaker 1: and I have made right in this country? Like let
Speaker 1: alone the millions of people and millions of kids who
Speaker 1: have benefited from you know, amnesty, like all over this country,
Speaker 1: Like that one political act has created ripple effects of
Speaker 1: massive wave of change in this country. And that I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting and I don't hear from too many people,
Speaker 1: right like it's that's kind of nuts. I'm very proud
Speaker 1: of my son. I told him my same you know
Speaker 1: me go now I can die in peace because I
Speaker 1: know you guys doing well. He's where He made me
Speaker 1: more happy than he. I am so proud of him.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing. I pray for him every night, and
Speaker 1: I asked God to protect him in He's a good
Speaker 1: kids and my daughter too. You know. Hearing Barney and
Speaker 1: his mom's sonya story makes me cry tears of joy.
Speaker 1: It also reminds me of something our parents fought hard
Speaker 1: to get us to America and to build as a home.
Speaker 1: They were visionaries. I mean to think that my dad
Speaker 1: and mom grew up with nothing on the Rancho and
Speaker 1: wound up raising their kids in the southeast Los Angeles
Speaker 1: suburb is revolutionary. Growing up in Linwood, where my family
Speaker 1: moved after my parents got Irka, was formative to who
Speaker 1: I am today. Even though we had limited space, we
Speaker 1: still had these huge dreams and aspirations. I later bought
Speaker 1: my first home for my mom in Lynnwood because it's
Speaker 1: where I found my community. It's where I learned to
Speaker 1: dream of a better future. Well, there were many times
Speaker 1: that I wanted to leave and I eventually did. Lynwood
Speaker 1: will always be my home. Beyond the economic mobility and
Speaker 1: stability gave our parents, there are some big psychological effects too.
Speaker 1: Some are good. The children of the Woods to legalized
Speaker 1: whose parents have been able to come out of the
Speaker 1: shadows so to speak, as that terms often used, UH
Speaker 1: did very well. Not having to worry about deportation changed
Speaker 1: all of our lives. And to be honest, not having
Speaker 1: to grow up in a place with wars like the
Speaker 1: ones America backed in Al Salvador or the American backed
Speaker 1: war on drugs and Sinaloa where my parents fled, was
Speaker 1: an incredib able gift our parents gave us. We are
Speaker 1: forever grateful to them. But that didn't magically make the
Speaker 1: trauma of growing up between two worlds just go away.
Speaker 1: It was internalized by a generation of kids who grew
Speaker 1: up under this duality like me. So in terms of
Speaker 1: physical effects, this often leads to eating and sleeping disturbances
Speaker 1: for children. That's on the next episode of Out of
Speaker 1: the Shadows Children of eighty six. If you love this podcast,
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