1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh we got a good Friday show Blazing five and 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: on a bit of a run this year. One hour 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: from now, we're live. It's Chicago, it's warming up. I 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: make it on the board shorts today. It's the Herd 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: for making us part of your day. 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: JMC. 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I hope you had a great Christmas with a fan. 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: I certainly did. Snoop Dog was the most consistent top 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: performer yesterday. In the end, sorry to say, wait to 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: go Snoop DOGG and crew. That was awesome. But I 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: think it's interesting and there's you know, at this point 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: in the year, we know what all these teams are. 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: And you can keep telling me Denver's not good, but 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: this is not figure skating it's football. I don't need 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: style points. They were great on third down. They dominate 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: time of possession. 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: You know. 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: RJ. 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: Harvey delivers, so is bone Knicks. Basically, Kansas City said, 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: we're not giving you anything over the top. We're going 31 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: to make it long, slow, boring drives, and that's what 32 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: they did. Sean Payton knows what he's doing. A lot 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: of guys, a lot of GMS, GMS didn't like bow Knicks. 34 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: Sean Payton loved him. 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: He's now twenty three and ten is a pro playoffs 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: both years, first quarterback ever ever league history ever, ten 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: plus wins, thirty plus total touchdowns, first two years in 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: the league, and he leads the NFL and pass attempts 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: the last two years. So they're putting everything on him. 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: No baby sitting like early Big Ben. And then there's RJ. 41 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: Harvey. RJ Harvey. Last year everybody said that's a reach. 42 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: They shouldn't be a high draft pick. 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: RJ. Harvey. 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: The dude's got only four fewer touchdowns than Christian McCaffrey 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and two hundred fewer touches. He's a tremendous receiver, tremendous 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: young player who gets into the end zone. I think 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: he has like eleven touchdowns. Again, don't worry about the 48 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: style points. This is at Arrowhead. It is a division rival, 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: and you won by a touchdown. You do understand a 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: touchdown is a big spread. Seattle's a touchdown favored over Carolina. 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: If they win by a touchdown, are you unimpressed? You 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: go on the road, division rival, you win, You take it. 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Kansas City said we're not giving you anything over the top. 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: They didn't. 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: And for the record, in the first game between these two, 56 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: bo Nicks made a huge third and fifteen conversion game 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: winning drive last night, third and ten, huge conversion game drive. 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: So you take the touchdown. And here's the other thing. 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Is I don't know if Denver is gonna fly through. 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they just got whacked by Jacksonville. Maybe Jacksonville 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: is the best team in the AFC. Certainly possible, But 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: the last two years, in the fourth quarter, the most 63 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: important quarter in football, Josh Allen leads the NFL in 64 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: fourth quarter touchdowns. Bonnicks's second Yeah, I'm gonna say it 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: was a good draft pick. I'm gonna say RJ. Harvey 66 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: was also a good draft pick. I mean, Sean Payton 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: They had six Pro Bowlers this week. Four of them 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: were there when Sean got there. He's just squeezing more 69 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: juice out of the roster. As far as the Chiefs, 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's a you know, Travis Kelsey's last 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: home game. That's what it sounded like on the broadcast. 72 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: They've been a bit of. 73 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: A sad trombone all year. As we've told you, dynasties 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: do not fall off a cliff. Generally, the old guys 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: look old, the old guys get hurt, the young guys 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: can't bring the energy and juice. Kansas City's one in 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: eight and one score games. This is kind of how 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: dynasties end. They're not explosive anymore. But I remember all 79 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: I hear as well. I mean it was that game 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: was close. Yeah, that's the way it works. I mean, 81 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: would you rather be Detroit Jared goffaced a backup and 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: they lost. 83 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: If you win in this league. 84 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: Denver's now thirteen and three and will play the Chargers 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: next week. 86 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: You know, division on the line. 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's gonna have his fifth season thirteen or more wins. 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: I know he drives people nuts. I know he puts 89 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: his chin out there, but a lot of people. Most 90 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: people did not think bow Knicks was a first round 91 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: quarterback or R. J. Harvey was worth the pick. And 92 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: here are the Denver Broncos thirteen and three, you know, 93 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: thirty team and three I don't know works for me. 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: Here is bo Nicks on facing the Chargers next week. 95 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, none of it really 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: matters because we have to play the final game and 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: we have to you know, take care of it. And 98 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna be a good football team. Now, 99 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 4: some other team can help us along the way, but 100 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it's gonna come down 101 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 4: to us versus them, and we're excited to have them 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: at home. It's gonna be a you know, a really 103 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: good environment. It's gonna be a great atmosphere. And honestly, 104 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: it's it's playoff time. It's playoff atmospheres. 105 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: All right. 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: So before the season started, okay, we're gonna pat ourselves 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: in the back, Jamack and I said, every year there's 108 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: one really exceptional team in the NFL, and the following 109 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: year it goes away. It's like season two of True Detective. Right, 110 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: You're like, ah, I love this show and maybe not 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: so much. So. We both said it would be the 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. They lost two great coordinators. Offensive guy was 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: brilliant and I'm listening to Lions fans yesterday. Well it's 114 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: our offensive line is all beat up. Yeah, well so 115 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: is the Chargers and the Texans. Their all lines are worse, 116 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: and they've been worse all season, and they're combined twenty 117 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: one to nine. 118 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: Now. 119 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: I think Sam Laporta the minute he left with the 120 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: O line injuries makes it much harder. But in any business, 121 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: and football's of business, to turn around a sinking ship, 122 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: you have to self audit. You have to look in 123 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: the mirror. This team, Detroit's been lousy on third down 124 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: all year. Even when the O line was healthy with 125 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, they were sharp, innovative and creative. They've tried 126 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: to create that movie. Maybe they picked the wrong director. 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel sharp and creative. Yes, the offensive line injuries, 128 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: especially with Sam Laporta the tight end out too, it hurts. Yeah, 129 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: Sam laport is great, but Dan Campbell in week ten 130 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: took the play calling duties away from his offensive coordinator. 131 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: And just a heads up, guys, if your boss ever 132 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: comes to you and goes. You know, Bob, you're doing 133 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: a great job, but I'm going to take over your 134 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: sales accounts. Start looking for work. It's not just the 135 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: offensive line. Detroit was a crisp operation, more creative and innovative. 136 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell had to take over the OC duties. He 137 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: didn't want to do that. He is not a scheme guy. 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: He's a great culture builder, and he lost a brilliant 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: scheme guy, Ben Johnson. This is very reminiscent of Kyle 140 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Shanahan getting the Niners as the OC to the Super 141 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Bowl and Matt Ryan and MVP Kyle Shanahan left. You 142 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: want to know what the Atlanta Falcons record is since 143 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan left sixty three and eighty four. It's not 144 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: the Falcons old line injuries. Okay, you can, you can 145 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: make all the excuse. Find me an offensive line in 146 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: this league, in the entire league. Find me an offensive 147 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: line that is healthy for seventeen eighteen weeks. I mean, 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: it's man overboard with the Chargers. Texans old line has 149 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: been a mess for two years. They're Hummond. One's doing 150 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: it with defense, one's doing it with coaching and quarterback play. 151 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: You just gotta find a way when your all lines 152 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: beat up again. I think Sam Laporta is a big loss. 153 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: But if you look at bet Dan Campbell put it 154 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: on the screen with offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, he's thirty 155 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: six and fifteen, thirty six and fifteen. If you look 156 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: at Dan Campbell without Ben Johnson, eleven twenty one and 157 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: one a touchdown less. So I would argue the Lions 158 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: peaked in week two when they beat very good Chicago, 159 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: but is much better today than they were in week two. 160 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: They beat on up on bad teams. The Lions are 161 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: beat up on bad teams. They haven't really beaten good 162 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: teams sometimes like the Rams that get close. But it's 163 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: just they're just not as crisp. They're just not as innovative. 164 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and again, I'm not blaming anybody. I'm saying, 165 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: when you lose Kyle Shanahan is OC, Matt Ryan didn't 166 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: look the same. When you lose Ben Johnson, you don't 167 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: look the same. Here's Dan Campbell. They're out of the 168 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: playoffs officially. 169 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: After the loss, I'm gonna be looking at a lot 170 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: of things. 171 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 5: Because I do not like being home for the playoffs, 172 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 5: and I know our guys don't either, so you know, 173 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 5: and there again, whenever you lose, man, it takes a 174 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 5: village man. Everybody's involved, including myself, you know, So I'm 175 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 5: always gonna look at myself first. You know, I'm always 176 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 5: gonna wish I would have given golf. Weren't giving those players. 177 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: More good news, very good front office draft. Well you 178 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: get that great safety back. Laporta back means it's not 179 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: all doom and gloom. I mean, you've really got an infrastructure, 180 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: a culture creator. But when you have the culture creators, 181 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: they are very and much more reliant on offensive coordinators. 182 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: Vrabel is a great culture builder. First thing he did, 183 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: get Josh McDaniels, get the great OC, the scheme guy, 184 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: and it works. So yeah, the O line stuff, it's 185 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: not perfect. Laporta is a huge loss. But there's bad 186 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: old lines all over this league. I mean, the Chargers 187 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: is the worst thirty second for most of the year. 188 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: Texans is bad. They're gonna make the playoffs again. 189 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 190 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 191 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio. 192 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: App Pauly Who's going with Tony Fusco. Yeah, as everybody knows, 193 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 6: we're the hosts of the award winning Poly and Toni 194 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 6: Fousco Show. Yeah, but instead of us telling you how 195 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 6: great we are, here's how Dan Packrick described us when 196 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 6: he came on our show. 197 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated. 198 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 7: What what are you doing? 199 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: We were interrupting our promo. 200 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. 201 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 5: You took those clips totally of context. 202 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you 203 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 6: out and beat you. 204 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: Let me put this into context. 205 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: Shut up. 206 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, just listen to the Paully and Toni Fusco 207 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 6: Show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 208 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: Yee, let's blaze it up. 209 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 7: Up it's Collins blazon. 210 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: Fuck Texans a Chargers. 211 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: I like the Texans plus two and a half seven 212 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: game winning streak. They clinch a playoff first with a win. 213 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: They're only lost by more than three points one against Seattle. 214 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: That's it. 215 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: Well, Seattle beats up with a lot of people. Marks 216 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: is back huge part of their offense. The Chargers eighteenth 217 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL on offense since week eleven because their 218 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: offensive line is using backups. Three of the chargers four 219 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: wins during their four game winning streak have come against 220 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: the Raiders, Chiefs, and Cowboys. The Texans defense is so good, 221 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: even on the road. It's dominating number one in the league. 222 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking the points. Texans twenty three, Chargers twenty one. 223 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: Take the points. Seahawks at Panthers. 224 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: I wish it was seven and a half, but I'll 225 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: take it at seven. Panthers at home, fighting to win 226 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: the NFC South one game lead over Tampa. 227 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: I'm taking the points. 228 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: Anybody noticing Bryce Young in the last month, last three games, 229 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: He's a pro bowler, six touchdowns, no picks. He's been 230 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: on fire in the last three game. The Seahawks are 231 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: coming off a tough, physical, overtime game season high ninety 232 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: two defensive snaps against the Rams. The last two games, 233 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: they won both at home by a combined three points. 234 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: The offense for Seattle doesn't quite feel right. This is 235 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: a long trip. They could be looking ahead of the playoffs. Oh, 236 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: just beat the Rams. We're amazing Seattle wins. I'm absolutely 237 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: taking the points here. Twenty seven to twenty three. 238 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: Hawks Eagles A Bills. 239 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: I'm in the minority. I like Philly plus two and 240 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: a half. Great run team, bad run defense. They're thirty 241 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: five and two when they win the turnover battle under 242 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: Nick Siriani's seven to zero this year, and they usually do. 243 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts the last two weeks. Something is working, even 244 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel told us Sakuon Barkley last three games, averaging 245 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: five and a half of carry the A line now 246 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: getting healthy, folks. The Bills have trailed in each of 247 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: their last eight games. They've trailed in the second half 248 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: of six of their last seven. They play with their food. 249 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: They're not good on third down. The Bills can't defend 250 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: the run. I'm taking the Eagles and the points better. 251 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Overall roster twenty eight to twenty four Philly Bears at 252 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. I like Chicago with extra rest plus 253 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: three Dj Moore and Caleb Williams. 254 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: Last five games. 255 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: DJ moris five touchdown catches, tied for most in the league. 256 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: The offense. He get all the big plays without any 257 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: other turnovers. Listen, the Niners are hot, but four of 258 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: their five wins came against Cleveland, Arizona, the Titans, and 259 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: the Colts brought Purty. Trailing this year is a different 260 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: quarterback sixty three percent completion percentage, and their defense. Here's 261 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: the story of the game. The Niners defense not only 262 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: has the fewest sacks in the NFL, seven fewer than 263 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: the next fewest, and opposing quarterbacks have a passer rating 264 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: of one oh one against the Niners. Christian McCaffrey just 265 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: came off of twenty seven top game. The Niners are 266 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: zero to four off McCaffrey games where he's got twenty 267 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: seven or more touches. Bears win it. Take the points 268 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: twenty eight to twenty seven. 269 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: Cardinals at Bengals. 270 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: I like the over fifty three and a half twenty 271 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: ninth ranked scoring defense against the worst ranked defense, banged 272 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: up defenses that are bad to begin with. The weather 273 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little wet temperature not a factor. 274 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: The Cardinals defense is bad and it's gotten worse. Allowed 275 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: forty plus points in two of their last three games. 276 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals they're averaging twenty seven a game with Burrow, 277 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: so you're talking about atrocious defenses, banged up. I like 278 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Cincinnati to win the game. I think it's a bit 279 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: of a shootout. I'm gonna take the over Cincinnati Arizona 280 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: over fifty three and a half points thirty twenty seven 281 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: bingals win. A lot of underdog have not done that 282 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: once this year, four underdogs and one over. 283 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 284 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 285 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 286 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: Just one of those days where there's a lot of 287 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: interesting NFL stories. Monday Morning quarterback Albert Rereer, senior NFL reporter, 288 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: is joining us live. 289 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: So listen. 290 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: When a longtime reporter comes out with something and the 291 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: coach completely refutes it. I get why a coach refutes it. 292 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't get why a reporter would just make it 293 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: up when he's got to be in that locker room 294 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: six days a week. What do you make about the 295 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson stories? I mean, it's it's it's been a 296 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: weird year, practices doesn't practice. 297 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: What do you make of the story? 298 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 8: A couple things like I think number one Colin, there's 299 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 8: there's obviously a lot of water under the bridge between 300 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 8: the Ravens and Lamar. You want to go back to 301 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 8: the contract negotiation, you can. He's obviously had his issues 302 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 8: staying healthy. The last couple of years, and you do 303 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 8: have to wonder if that's something bigger, like if there's 304 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 8: something there that, like his body's breaking down because of 305 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 8: the historic amount of damage he's taken on as a quarterback, 306 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 8: that's starting to catch up with him. 307 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 7: So you have that piece of it. 308 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 8: The other piece of it that, like I was a 309 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 8: little inside baseball, but he doesn't have an agent, and 310 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 8: so when he does get hurt, a lot of times 311 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 8: the full information on what his injury is, how severe 312 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 8: it is, like a lot of times that doesn't really 313 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 8: fully come to light, which raises a lot of other questions, 314 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 8: both publicly and maybe even in some corners of locker room, 315 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 8: on well, what's actually wrong with Lamar. And I think 316 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 8: that's one reason why, like John Harbaugh came out and 317 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 8: was so transparent He's usually not, but was so transparent 318 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 8: about Lamar Jackson's injury and that it was worse than 319 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 8: just a normal bruise earlier in the week. I think 320 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 8: he was taking up for him. Like my experience has 321 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 8: been that John Harbaugh has been one of the most 322 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 8: hard defenders of Lamar. So I don't know that anything's 323 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 8: broken there, but things have certainly gotten wonky, and we 324 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 8: are at a point now where we're going to be 325 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 8: talking about these things Contractually, his cap hits the next 326 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 8: two years or seventy four and a half million dollars. 327 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 8: He's got two years left on his deal. They had 328 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 8: talked about going back in and giving him a correction 329 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 8: to his previous contract after Josh Allen got one last offseason. 330 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 7: That's obviously going to be on the table again this offseason. 331 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 8: And if all the injury stuff is the backdrop to that, well, 332 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 8: then you know we're talking about having to answer. 333 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 7: Some pretty significant questions going forward. 334 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 8: So you know, I think Dylan Lamar Jackson is at 335 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 8: Baltimore raven in twenty twenty six. But this definitely feels like, 336 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 8: after the expectation they had internally for where the team 337 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 8: was going to be going into the year, that there 338 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 8: could be some pretty big changes coming in Baltimore. I 339 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 8: can just tell you I've talked to people there who 340 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 8: felt like this is the best roster they had decades, 341 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 8: and to not make the playoffs obviously is going to 342 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 8: get the owner's attention and could lead to some changes. 343 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 8: Whether you know it's it's it's some some level of 344 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 8: wholesale change or more cosmetic changes. 345 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 7: We'll see, Oh. 346 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: They want Jared goff out. You know, they're all worked up, 347 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: which is you know, he's a very successful guy. I've 348 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. Where do they stand today 349 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: on their coaching staff in Detroit? I mean it's a 350 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: really loaded team on golf where they add on all. 351 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 7: That stuff, you know, I think this is just so 352 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 7: interesting about this one. 353 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 8: To me, at least Colin is like, but we always 354 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 8: talk like whenever a team like this loses and doesn't 355 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 8: make the playoffs, it's like, all right, is their window closed? 356 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 8: And I don't think people take the time to look 357 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 8: at the roster. It's still, like you said, a ton 358 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 8: of really good young talent on that roster. I mean 359 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 8: maybe Taylor Deckers aged out a left tackle, but you 360 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 8: could flip Piney Sewell, who's one of the best players 361 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 8: in all football at any position. 362 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: Over there. 363 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 7: A receiver, you've got. 364 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 8: Jamison Williams, and you've got im On Rossi and Brown. 365 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 8: Running back, you got your Mira Gibbs. A golf is 366 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 8: a good quarterback. Whether you think he's great or not, 367 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 8: obviously that's a question. And then on defense, they have holes, 368 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 8: but they also have building blocks and Aiden Hutchinson and 369 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 8: Lee McNeil and Jack Campbell and Brian Branch and so 370 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 8: I sort of look at this team and I say, 371 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 8: the windows not closed, But do they have to sort 372 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 8: of shift up in gear now and say, okay, like 373 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 8: we do feel like this is a core we can 374 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 8: win a championship with. And there's the general manager who 375 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 8: was with and was in Los Angeles when they were 376 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 8: being hyper aggressive like the f them picks Era. Does 377 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 8: their GM say, Okay, this is our pivot point and 378 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 8: we're going to be really aggressive about upgrading our offensive 379 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 8: line and finding an edge to play opposite Aiden Hutchinson 380 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 8: and maybe adding a corner Like this feels like maybe 381 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 8: that's the point where that happens. But I don't think 382 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 8: this is about any sort of window closing. Jared goff 383 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 8: is a is a really good quarterback, and I don't know, 384 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 8: maybe you can show me his replacement that they're going 385 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 8: to get at the bottom of the first round. I 386 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 8: just I just don't see a way to upgrade at 387 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 8: that position where you've gotten really good play over the 388 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 8: last five years. 389 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: So Sean mcdermot's been in a good mood recently, but 390 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: it's not a great look that Vrabel comes in and 391 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: with Drake may wins the division. 392 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: Not great. 393 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: I said, if he doesn't get to the conference championship 394 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: in a year in which Drake may Bow knicks no Burrow, 395 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: no Lamar, no Mahomes, it kind of feels like they 396 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: got to get to the conference championship or there's a big, 397 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: big discussion after that playoff loss, right, Yeah. 398 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 7: I mean, I think at least the public's going to 399 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 7: have that discussion. 400 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 8: Now. I haven't gotten like the since talking to people internally. 401 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 8: There's a big discussion point yet. But they are going 402 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 8: into a new stadium and Josh Allen is turning thirty 403 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 8: this offseason, and so like you kind of look at 404 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 8: where they're at and how they've been consistently on the doorstep, 405 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 8: and I think, like last month I brought this example 406 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 8: up to you. I mean, you remember Tony Dunge and 407 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 8: in the nineties in Tampa and how Tony Dungee, like 408 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 8: Sean McDermott, was basically at the tip of the spear 409 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 8: as far as turning a program around and changing the 410 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 8: face of an organization. Shawn's done that, just as Tony 411 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 8: Dungee did all those years ago in the nineties in Tampa, 412 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 8: and they had this historic defense and having Derek Brooks 413 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 8: and Warren Sapp and John Lynch and Rende Barber put 414 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 8: pressure on everybody and eventually got to the point was 415 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 8: we need a spark. We're sort of stuck, and can 416 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 8: we can we can we push this to the next 417 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 8: level while we still have this historic defense And they 418 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 8: move on from from from Tony Dungee. Initially they tried 419 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 8: to get Bill Parcels. They trade for John grud and 420 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 8: they win a Super Bowl. I don't know if they're 421 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 8: at that point yet. I don't think it's really been 422 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 8: a big discussion point internally, but I do think like 423 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 8: that sort of thing could hover over them a little 424 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 8: bit where you eventually get to that point and you 425 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 8: eventually start to ask those questions. And I think it's 426 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 8: interesting for a few teams now too, Right Like, so 427 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 8: Patrick mahon Holmes is not in the playoffs this year, 428 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 8: he's hurt. Joe Burrow gets hurt again. That opens the 429 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 8: door for everybody in the AFC as well. And so 430 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 8: like these teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Buffalo who've 431 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 8: had coaches in place for a long time. If they 432 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 8: don't advance in the playoffs, If in the case of Baltimore, 433 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 8: they don't make the playoffs, these big picture questions are 434 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 8: going to come. 435 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: I know it's a ways off. 436 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: I know it's the drafts in April, but I wonder 437 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: how talent evaluators I've been told Mendoza is a better 438 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: prospect than Jackson Dart. There's a lot of ways to go. 439 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: You could keep Dart, trade down the pick, get a 440 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: bevy of picks. You could go with Mendoza, trade Dart, 441 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: you could do both. Wouldn't recommend that with New York Media, 442 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: but I think you have to consider. I mean, Mendoza 443 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: two years at cal one in Indiana. That's not Ohio 444 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: State or Notre Dame or Oklahoma. Yeah, it's sixty eight 445 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: percent completion percent. He got sacked almost fifty times at 446 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: cal one year. Big, accurate, strong, humble. What would be 447 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: your guest today, Well, I. 448 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 8: Don't think it's over as far as the first quarterbacks 449 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 8: take taken by the way, I think Dante Moore, like 450 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 8: over the next months, could play himself into that discussion. 451 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 8: Like Dante Moore is somebody at least that has the 452 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 8: attention of NFL scouts. Now, like Phil Knight may pay 453 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 8: him five million, ten million dollars whatever it is to 454 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 8: stay another year at Oregon, So maybe that point is moot, 455 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 8: but you know, he's somebody that's at least got the 456 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 8: attention of people. Mendoza, I think is in that conversation 457 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 8: as well. Mendoza has a lot of the qualities that 458 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 8: you know. Interestingly enough, another cal quarterback, Jared Goff had 459 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 8: coming out, and I think that's the comfort at least 460 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 8: some NFL teams. Here's the thing, though, like that's only 461 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 8: really happened once, at least as long as I've been 462 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 8: covering the league, and really I think in my lifetime 463 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 8: where a team took a quarterback in the first round 464 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 8: and then came back the next year and did it again. 465 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 8: And that was the Arizona Cardinals who took Josh Rosen 466 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 8: if you remember, in eighteen, and Kyler Murray in nineteen 467 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 8: and Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kahin basically came to the 468 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 8: determination that the gap between those two was wide enough 469 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 8: and they knew enough about Josh Rosen at that point 470 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 8: where yes, like we can do that. And here's why 471 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 8: the gap needs to be big because what you can 472 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 8: get for the number one overall pick is significantly more 473 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 8: than you'd be able to trade Jackson Dart for right now, 474 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 8: Like it's basically like driving a car off the lot, right, Like, 475 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 8: once you drive the car off the lot, it's to 476 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 8: value to some degree. 477 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: Right. 478 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 8: So, once Jackson Dart is in the league, same thing 479 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 8: as Josh Rosen, if somebody else is giving up on him, 480 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 8: he's going to be to value to some degree, and 481 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 8: you're not going to be able to get what you 482 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 8: would be able to get for the first overall pick. 483 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 8: So it's not just Mendoza versus Dart. You look at 484 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 8: those two guys and you say, if it's close, you 485 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 8: stick with Dart, you trade the number one overall pick, 486 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 8: because you're going to be able to get so much 487 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 8: for the first overall pick with teams like the Raiders 488 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 8: and Browns and close quarters there inside the top ten, 489 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 8: if the gap is huge, there's nothing more important than 490 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 8: having a great quarterback. So that's the determination the Giants 491 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 8: would have to have to come to, is that Fernando 492 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 8: Mendoza or Dante more they are so much better than 493 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 8: Jackson Dart that we feel like we need to make 494 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 8: this pick and trade Jackson Dart. Otherwise I think they 495 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 8: stick with Dart, who they like quite a bit and would. 496 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 7: Trade that pick. 497 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know that I want I want to 498 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: circle back to Lamar Jackson's story. I just see this 499 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: out there. I said, if I was the Jets two 500 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: first round picks, I've not proven the ability to. 501 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 3: Develop a quarterback. That's not that's that's not crazy, right, 502 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm not. 503 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 7: I mean, but part of that too, Colin. 504 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 8: What you're getting at is like people sometimes like operate 505 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 8: as if like the Ravens need to start shopping him, 506 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 8: if someone else thinks there's trouble in Paradise, they're going 507 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 8: to pick up the phone call, you know what I mean, 508 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 8: Like like if the Raiders think there's trouble in Paradise, 509 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 8: if the Jets think there's s trouble in Paradise, Like 510 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 8: there's nothing for vent those teams from picking up the 511 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 8: phone and making that phone call. You know, especially when 512 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 8: you're a team like the Jets or the Raiders that 513 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 8: doesn't have an established quarterback, starting quarterback, that's going to 514 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 8: be offended if they find out you do it. You know, So, 515 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 8: like I do think like if they don't make the 516 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 8: playoffs and some of this lingers into the offseason, like 517 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 8: a trade is naturally going to become part of the 518 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 8: equation for the Ravens because people are going to call it. 519 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 8: Doesn't mean he's getting traded. It doesn't mean the Ravens 520 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 8: have any intention to trade him. But I do think 521 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 8: like some teams are going to look back at what 522 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 8: this looked like three years ago and say, man, we 523 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 8: wish we would have called on Lamar Jackson. You know, 524 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 8: he still had a lot of good football left, and 525 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 8: so that's something that you'd have to consider if you're 526 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 8: one of these teams that's out there looking, maybe a 527 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 8: team that can't get in position to draft the quarterback 528 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 8: that you want. So I think all of that becomes 529 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 8: part of the equation as long as this seems to 530 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 8: be murky, are uncertain between the Ravens and Lamar. 531 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: By the way, as a Buckeye, Kyle Winningham, can I 532 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: say this for Michigan, that's a pretty solid get. I mean, 533 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: he took three star guys and over his era at 534 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: Utah he had the number one defense in the Pack 535 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: twelve and may have been the sixth best recruiting coach 536 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: or staff. I mean the Utah about good players, not 537 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: a lot of five and four star guys. That's a 538 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: pretty good late get for Michigan, is it not? Well? 539 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 7: Can I point one thing out really quick? 540 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: Sure? 541 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 8: So our friend Urban Meyer now is not only seven 542 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 8: or zero in the rivalry, but he has his former 543 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 8: assistance running both programs. 544 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 7: How about that? 545 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 5: Right? 546 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 8: So I think that's a pretty interesting piece of all 547 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 8: of this. But yeah, like I won't change my opinion 548 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 8: on Kyle Whittingham because I don't like the colors that 549 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 8: he's wearing now. He's been a rock stolid coach. You know, 550 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 8: over the course of the last twenty years. Urban obviously 551 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 8: elevated that program when he got there with Alex Smith, 552 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 8: and I. 553 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 7: Think, like, just as difficult as elevating. 554 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 8: A program like that is maintaining it. And he not 555 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 8: only maintained it. I mean that was a group of five. 556 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 8: I don't think we would have called him a group 557 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 8: of five back then, but a mid major type of 558 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 8: program back then. 559 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 7: Urban elevated them. 560 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 8: To the point where they would be attractive to the 561 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 8: PAC twelve and then the Big twelve, and he was 562 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 8: able to maintain that level and they had a real identity, 563 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 8: and I think the identity that he built and he 564 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 8: talked about like the players that have come out of 565 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 8: Utah over the years and wound up becoming really good 566 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 8: NFL players. They're all tough, they're all physical, so they 567 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 8: very much fit what Jim Harbaugh built there and what 568 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 8: Michigan's always brought pride themselves on being. So I think 569 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 8: it's a really solid higher. Do I think it's a 570 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 8: type of higher that's gonna knock Ohio State and Oregon 571 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 8: off the top of the Big Ten? Maybe not, but 572 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 8: this is exactly what Michigan needs right now after what 573 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 8: they've been through the last couple of weeks. 574 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's only eighteen months older than Kurt Signetti, and 575 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: I guarantee is a better skier. He lived right by 576 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: the mountains in Utah, and I know. 577 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 8: I know I would be I'll tell you what I 578 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 8: would like if I had that sort of access to 579 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 8: the mountains up there, I would be like Olympic. 580 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: Level, great to see anybuddy having. 581 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 8: I'd also probably be fired because I'd be spending way 582 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 8: too much time there, But that's another story. 583 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: Makes two of us, all right, Albert, all right, thanks calling. Yeah, 584 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: I've had a couple. 585 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Of conversations through the years with Kyle. 586 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: He's just a really good guy. 587 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: He his wife, they just you know, Utah University of 588 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: Utah is right downtown in Salt Lake City, and they 589 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: had beautiful condo downtown and and uh lived a life 590 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: and active. 591 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: He not sixty six. 592 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: If you've ever been in a room with Kyle Whittingham, 593 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: he's got like fifty year old energy and good guy, 594 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: great wife. Yeah, it's just an easy guy to root 595 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: for and a lot of people. You know, it's like 596 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: he stayed at Utah forever. But I do think you 597 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: get at a crossroads when Utah had this very very 598 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: good coordinator under him, and it's kind of like Kyle, Well, 599 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: he's a you know, in shape, tough gonna be able 600 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: to keep that maintain that Utah tough culture. And you're 601 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: sitting there and you're like sixty six, and you're like, 602 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, I eat well, I'm pretty intentional. 603 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: I work out. 604 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to bingo parlors. I want to do stuff, 605 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: and so what are you gonna do. He's a college guy, 606 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: not a pro guy. It's like, Okay, Michigan's open Whittingham 607 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: beat Nick Saban in the two thousand and nine Sugar Bowl. 608 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: You guys remember that. 609 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Saban didn't schedule Utah for that, not that I remember.