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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is always Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chucker's Chuck Chuck Tran Chuck Luck. Right, How are you good?

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Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm going to see Bob Dylan tonight. People

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Speaker 1: are gonna be like, I mean times, is Bob Dylan

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Speaker 1: playing Atlanta? Have you ever seen David Bowie? It's good?

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Speaker 1: I have not. Um, Yes, you are, Chuck. I know

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Speaker 1: you're very excited. I am. I've seen him a few times,

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Speaker 1: but it's always good. Really yeah? Too short? Though he

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Speaker 1: buzz us through like fifteen songs. He's out of there?

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Speaker 1: Is he short? Oh? Well he's also short? But yea

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Speaker 1: is he really? I was just kidding. No, he's short.

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Speaker 1: I guess those um Bell bottomed long pants that he

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Speaker 1: him look kind of tall. Um. Alright, So enough about

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Speaker 1: Bob Dylan for the second time. Not a big Dylan

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Speaker 1: fan myself. Um, let's talk about schizophrenia instead. OK. So

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Speaker 1: I was looking for an intro for this, and I

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Speaker 1: mean there's plenty of stuff, but it's all like pretty

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Speaker 1: you know, research heavy. Astra Zeneca was marketing serre quil

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Speaker 1: off label and just settled. Um, let's see what else

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Speaker 1: Jared Lofner is being medicated against as well. The guy

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Speaker 1: who shot Gabrielle Gifford's okay, really yes, he's he's been

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Speaker 1: diagnosed as schizophrenic. Um. Finally uh and then um, there

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Speaker 1: all of this is kind of I realized like there

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Speaker 1: gives a pretty good overview of you know, schizophrenia as

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Speaker 1: it stands right now, which is it's misunderstood, it's heavily prescribed, underfunded,

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Speaker 1: and um yeah, and there's a lot of people out

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Speaker 1: In fact, I got a stat if you want to

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Speaker 1: or needing help and not getting it. Uh, six percent

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Speaker 1: it makes sense, Chuck to that. These makes sense because

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Speaker 1: trouble dealing with reality as it stands. Um. It's Secondly,

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Speaker 1: your schizophrenia. Here's the shocking one. At any given moment,

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Speaker 1: shocking but not surprising. Somehow agreed. Wow, So you said,

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Speaker 1: what was that last one? Severe psychiatric illnesses. That's an

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Speaker 1: to or millions of years. Yeah, um, so it was.

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Speaker 1: But chuck, um, there's two kinds of symptoms of schizophrenia,

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Speaker 1: the only title I can say is rock and roll McDonald's.

423
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't I've never heard of him. You you have

424
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: had to have heard of Wesley Willis. Okay, let me

425
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: play you a little Wesley Willis. Right here. McDonald's is

426
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: a place to rock. It is a restaurant where the

427
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: bi fool. It is a good place to listen to

428
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: the music. People flock here to get down to the rock.

429
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: Musing rock, Gay, Romado, Rocky rom mcda, Rogay, Roam mcdonaldos,

430
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: rock rumdo so chuck. That's Wesley will Okay, okay, and

431
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: um he was very much schizophrenic. Um he wrote about

432
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: it a lot. He talked about it in a lot

433
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: of his songs and um, he said he'd just be

434
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: going along, having a nice time riding the bush. I

435
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: believe he lived in Chicago and then all of a sudden,

436
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: his um, his hell demons would take him on one

437
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: of his torture hell rides, which meant he was going

438
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: on a little bit of an exacerbation of his schizophrenia symptoms.

439
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: But he's a great, great guy, great music, very prolific.

440
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: And uh, if you liked that, you should go watch

441
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: Daddy rock and Roll as a documentary. But yeah, it's

442
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: really good. I'll check that out. Yeah, Lionel Aldridge is

443
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: a last name on our list. And he was a

444
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: Green Bay packer and he was homeless unfortunately after he

445
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: was diagnosed for a while and then later was able

446
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: to climb out from that wreckage and go around and

447
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: talk about mental illness, and he was he was playing

448
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: in the sixties, the seventies. I think it was late

449
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: sixties or seventies. So think about it, man, that's a

450
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: big deal to go around and talk publicly about mental

451
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: illness at that time, and it still is now. But

452
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like back then, that's hats off to him. Yeah,

453
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: he was the guy that I included in the presentation

454
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: that you did by yourself that you're like, he was

455
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: this guy. All right, I understand now, Yeah, it's all

456
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: coming together. So chuck, um, what causes this? Well, uh,

457
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: it seems like there are environmental factors and there are

458
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: genetic factors. Um. They have isolated what they believe are

459
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: some genes the d I, s C one, the disbanden,

460
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: the neuragoulin, and the G seven two genes, and they

461
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: think there might be up to a dozen more genes

462
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: that could impact this. Okay, So the basis of that

463
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: is that they can't just look at your genes and

464
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: say you're you're going to be schizophrenic. Right. It's possible

465
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: that it's because we just haven't isolated all the genes

466
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: and don't know the right combination yet. Or it's possible

467
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: that it's from other causes, one of which one of

468
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: the yours that's out there right now, is that it's

469
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: the result of an in utero exposure to either a

470
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: flu or the dread toxoplasmus. Remember toxoplasmuss that hijacks rats brains,

471
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: that's found in cat urine that's why if you have

472
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: a cat and you're pregnant, you don't be clean enough

473
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: that litter box, right, um. And they think that one

474
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: of the reasons, I guess, one of the evident pieces

475
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: of evidence that supports this is called the birth month effect,

476
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: and the birth month effect is, UM, if you were

477
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: born in winter months or early spring months, you are

478
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: at a higher risk for becoming schizophrenic later in life.

479
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: And they think that those are flu months. UM. And

480
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: another aspect of it is apparently the brains of schizophrenics

481
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: show inflamed white blood cells, which is a sign of

482
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: an infection. And they think that possibly all of us

483
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: are carrying around a retrovirus encoded in our genes that

484
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: lies dormant like ms that under the right circumstances like

485
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: early exposure between infection UM can trigger its release where

486
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: trigger it's activation, and it takes eighteen to twenty to

487
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: thirty years to come on. Now you see why people

488
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: that are pregnant are worried a lot. It's amazing that,

489
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: like we've gotten anywhere. Yeah, so what else? Uh? Well,

490
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: they did do have some new findings. I got this today,

491
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: um from the internets. They have a new South Wales

492
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: study from Thomas Wikert. He has identified the brain mechanism

493
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: that derails decision making and people. So basically the part

494
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: of the brain is called the ventral stratium I'm sorry,

495
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: stray Adam, and it lights up you know, they put

496
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: people neam all right, lights up when in response to

497
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: rewards and healthy people and it's linked to your decision making,

498
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: but completely unresponsive among schizophrenics. So they don't uh, they

499
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: don't know the difference between expected and unexpected rewards, and

500
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: so they don't have the opportunity to make a good

501
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: decision to again with and that you know, it's a

502
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: it's a nice finding. It doesn't get us any closer.

503
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: Well maybe it does, you never know. They say, with

504
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: proper funding that they predicted they could have a cure

505
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: for this. Well yeah, but they don't get proper funding.

506
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: But they're UM. They're looking into stem cells, right, they're

507
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: looking into UM figuring out if it is an infection

508
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: and if so liked adding that UM. And we've also

509
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: long had antipsychotics. One of the things, strangely enough, that

510
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: helped develop anti psychotics or better antipsychotics UM is PCP.

511
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Apparently researchers figured out that UM phenel cyclading UM or

512
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: fencyclading PCP, the drug angel dust Um, produced such similar

513
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: symptoms to schizophrenia that they started investigating and found that

514
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: it had to do with UM the neurotransmitter glutamate, right right, right, Yes,

515
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: well it has to do with both. But the emphasis

516
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: before on anti psychotics was strictly dopamine and all it

517
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: all it did was keep dopamine in the synapse is

518
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: longer by blocking its reuptake by receptors. That's what antipsychotics do.

519
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: And then in the eighties, after the PCP stuff UM,

520
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: they figured out that there was glutamate was involved and

521
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: they came up with a typical antipsychotics, and these focus

522
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: somewhat on dopamine but more on things like glutamate and

523
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: its reuptake, and uh, these things have produced better results

524
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: with fewer side effects, so um, they're they're figuring out

525
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: how to treat it. The problem is that there's all

526
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: sorts of side effects even even with a typical UM antipsychotics,

527
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: like weight gain, drowsiness, servishness, nervousness, muscle spasms. Yeah ALLUM.

528
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: Bulging eyes apparently is one UM, and I guess most

529
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: of the stuff can be treated by lowering the dosage,

530
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: but they're they're bothersome enough that a lot of people

531
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: just go off their meds and you know that doesn't

532
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: help ect. Electroc convulsive therapy is another thing that they

533
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: still do. It's not something irrelic from the fifties. It's

534
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: changed a lot and how they do it, and they're

535
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: not sure still how it exactly works. They stopped using

536
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: car batteries, but about a hundred thousand Americans each year

537
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: still receive e c T. So that is an option.

538
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: And obviously the group therapy and family therapy help just

539
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: the dealing with it aspect of the family. Yes, so

540
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: we encourage you to seek helped as soon as possible. Yeah,

541
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: And apparently families can help in very little ways. They're

542
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: encouraged to UM set small goals. Apparently, if especially if

543
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: you UM have lost your drive or your will as

544
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: a result of your schizophrenia, or you're disorganized, it can

545
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: just be compounded by all the you know, like when

546
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: your life is disorganized, it seems to completely unwieldy, Like

547
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: where do I start right now? If if that's a

548
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: symptom of your schizophrenia, it's it's just that much worse.

549
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: So if you can help a schizophrenic get back on

550
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: track by setting small goals and building up their confidence again,

551
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: apparently that has a measurable effect in their recovery UM

552
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: and then the like the one of the leading edges

553
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: of UM schizophrenia treatment right now is based on the

554
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: this thing called the prodrome, which is the period between

555
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: the onset of symptoms where you think maybe I am

556
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and the time when that seems like your reality.

557
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: So it's this point where you're starting to have the ideas,

558
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: but they still seem bizarre or weird or why am

559
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: I having these ideas? So if you apparently seek out

560
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: treatment for schizophrenia when you start to have these ideas

561
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: UM in the prodrome, the success rate of treatment is

562
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: through the roof. Like Yes, this British doctor in the

563
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: late eighties set up shop in these two towns outside

564
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: of London and he's set to work finding every potential

565
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: early case of schizophrenia he could, and he started treating

566
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: people with therapy and low doses of anti psychotics, and

567
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: in four years those two towns had a tenth of

568
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: the prevalence of schizophrenia of the rest of the country. Yeah,

569
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: so apparently like this pro drome research, there's like clinics

570
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: that are opening up and like entire like departments in

571
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: universities are dedicated to this prodrome period where you can

572
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: be like, come, come back, come, this is reality. Yeah,

573
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: and they're successful or they have been so far. Well, Josh,

574
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: I got one more stat If you live in a

575
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: city of three million people, then over twenty one thousand

576
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: people in your city are suffering from schizophrenia. So well,

577
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Yes, don't make fun of people.

578
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Don't obviously get scared or violent and in a reactive way.

579
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm gonna say, like you should

580
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: go over and talk to them, like you might want

581
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: to just be compassionate and uh and hopefully they're getting help,

582
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Go to schizophrenia dot com.

583
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: You can find all kinds of good information. And if

584
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: you hadn't already checked out Wesley Willis, check him out.

585
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: He was a great guy. Check out The Daddy or

586
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Rock and Roll and um. Also, I would say, in

587
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: addition to how schizophrenia works, UM required reading for this

588
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: one is an article called Which Way Madness Lies? By

589
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: Rachel lviv. It was in the December two issue of

590
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: Harper's And I have a link, I'll I'll tweet it.

591
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: I'll tweet the link out with that. That sounds great.

592
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: If you want more about schizophrenia, Um, there's plenty of it.

593
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: There's an article and then some on the site. Just

594
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: type schizophrenia which again means split mind right into the

595
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: search bar at how stuff works dot com and that

596
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: brings up what check listener? Now, yes, Josh specific correction?

597
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I forgot about those. Yeah, well, well we'll

598
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: correct ourselves on Facebook and stuff. But they mounted up,

599
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: so sure we want We'll go for it. How wildfires work? Oh? Man,

600
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't have this guy's name. A couple of people

601
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: sitting this in. Uh, the flash point of paper is

602
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: not fahrenheit for fifty one, I said books. The flash

603
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: point of books is not fahrenheit for fifty one. It

604
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: is fahrenheit eight fifty one celsius for fifty and Ray

605
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: Bradbury apparently changed the title because fahrenheit for fifty one

606
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: sounds a lot better than celsius for fifty Apparently, what

607
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: was one no celsius for fifty is the flash point

608
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: or Fahrenheit eight as good as I think, Yeah, okay,

609
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: but I assume that as well. Man, I wish I

610
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: had his name. You know who you are. And it

611
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: was a very nice correction. Those are the ones we

612
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: like to read. Uh. Then we got a correction on

613
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: who was the first murderer, apparently, David says, and even

614
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: sent in a copy of one by Charles Mann. What

615
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: where what he's an email? No, not a not a

616
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: He sent a scan cop the page in four, he says.

617
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Charles Mann says, although Billington was in fact hanged, at

618
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: least two other Europeans were executed before him. One was

619
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: convicted for the much more interesting offense of killing his

620
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: pregnant wife and eating her. So how about that, he said,

621
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I was on page fifty five of Yeah, there it is.

622
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: That is crazy, okay, But still Billington is very noteworthy.

623
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Figure obviously sees a whole chapter on him. And then

624
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: we got some uh. Oh. First of all, some people

625
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: wrote in about wildfires in Georgia, when I said, oh, Georgia,

626
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: and that wildfires South Georgia does and there's actually one

627
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: going on right now in the Okay, Finoki. So I

628
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: misspoke for sure, because I was just talking about the

629
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: North Georgia Mountains, which are very lush and green, but

630
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: Southworgia can get quite dry and there are wildfires in Georgia.

631
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: I did not know that that's true. And then finally

632
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: we got an email from an actual Hindu named Kush

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Speaker 1: thing has a part of that in us called the Atoman.

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Speaker 1: The different gods are just different forms of the one Brahman. Also,

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Speaker 1: you didn't properly explain the laws of karma. The law

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Speaker 1: of karma has three parts in Hinduism. One, the performer

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna play you something right now. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: that was from dictionary dot com. Well, then that voice

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Speaker 1: is obviously wrong. Maybe so this is from Miriam Webster.

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Speaker 1: If it's the same voice, it doesn't count. Twice did

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Speaker 1: you hear that that's a different voice. Did that one

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Speaker 1: come through Matt? Okay? And then finally, this is Google

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Speaker 1: had like three other people said three other robots, no,

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Speaker 1: And then I went on YouTube and people said Jaine

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Speaker 1: is Um. So I don't know. Well, I like that

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Speaker 1: it's both we're both right or we're both wrong. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's genis Um, well, we love corrections so much that

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Speaker 1: or we used to read them. I never forget that

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Speaker 1: we're corrected. Um, but let's do this again soon. Go

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Speaker 1: through all three and fifty episodes, find everything you can

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Speaker 1: that's wrong with them, and then let us know. Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Or you can just correct the most recent ones whatever

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Speaker 1: we got wrong in this one, which I'm sure is substantial. Um.

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