WEBVTT - I Love the 80s: The Freezer Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Special Teams, a production of I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and Welcome inside Special Teams with Jason Smith and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Harmon, a podcast where we look back at a

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<v Speaker 1>specific year in sports and the special teams that did

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<v Speaker 1>something really big that year. Today, we're continuing our run

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<v Speaker 1>of big games from the eighties. Hey, We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of notes from from you saying, hey, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back before the es. How about some stuff in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and seventies you ask, we provide. This episode, we

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<v Speaker 1>look back at one of the forgotten classics, not so

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<v Speaker 1>much for the way the game was played, but the

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances surrounding it. The one A f C Championship game

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<v Speaker 1>between the Cincinnati Bengals and the San Diego Chargers, better

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Freezer Bowl, the coldest game in NFL history. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ice Bowl was cold, the famous game with the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers winning over the Dallas Cowboys. However, this game,

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<v Speaker 1>the air temperature was minus nine degrees fahrenheit. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you add in the wind chill factor with you with

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<v Speaker 1>a sustained twenty seven mile an hour wind, it comes

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<v Speaker 1>in at thirty seven or thirty eight degrees below zero.

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<v Speaker 1>They played Chicago and winners. Growing up, Yeah in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the beach on days like that, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no question. So minus thirty eight degrees fahrenheit was the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature of this game, the coldest game in NFL history,

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<v Speaker 1>factoring in wind chill January the Cincinnati Bengals in the

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego Chargers. And this game gets lost, uh, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>because of what surrounded it, because the week before this, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how did the Chargers get to this game? Well, the game,

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<v Speaker 1>widely regardless has the greatest game in modern NFL history,

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<v Speaker 1>the win over the Miami Dolphins. Kellen Winslow coming off

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<v Speaker 1>the field carried by his teammates. We've seen that done

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<v Speaker 1>so many different ways, the hook and ladder touchdown for

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<v Speaker 1>the first half for the Miami Dolphins, and later on

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<v Speaker 1>today on this day, jan U Joe Montana would throw

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<v Speaker 1>a touchdown pass to Dwight Clark in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone that would also be known as the catch.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can understand where this game got lost a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit because you have the pageantry of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest games the week before, then you had one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest games following this with one of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest endings. And while this game wasn't close on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly everything that goes around it, Uh, it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>stand out. And when we talk about the Charge and

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<v Speaker 1>the struggles they had in this game, it really stands out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you look at that the other game, the Miami

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego game forty eight, as you said, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it also puts Don Strock and Von Schalman you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to the wayside. So he was a lead singer motor head,

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<v Speaker 1>right Van Shaman, he and let me kill mmr uh

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<v Speaker 1>their moments of training vocals now and now again. Shaman

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<v Speaker 1>was the lead singer of Accept, the Big Band from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties. Yeah, that's right, that's right, training vocals

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<v Speaker 1>supergroup as it were. But yeah, Jim Boston, sorry, go ahead, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the the greatness of those games surrounding it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes nothing away from people, uh freezing while watching

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<v Speaker 1>your football game or which is one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>rites of passage as as you float through, no question

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So this game to give you a little

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<v Speaker 1>background on both of these teams. The San Diego Chargers,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the middle of their era of boy the

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<v Speaker 1>high scoring, high flying, doing it away that we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen anybody in the NFL do it this up and

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<v Speaker 1>down the field on offense throwing the football as often

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<v Speaker 1>as they did, and it was new and they were

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<v Speaker 1>the only team that really did it like this in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. And the question was always can you win

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl throwing the football like this? Right? That

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<v Speaker 1>was the bad and I mean now it's you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>throw the football to win the Super Bowl, but back

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<v Speaker 1>then it was can you really win throwing the football

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<v Speaker 1>this much? Don't you need to have a power running

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<v Speaker 1>game where you hold onto the football and thing? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you really win by going up and down the field

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<v Speaker 1>with all these all this crazy wide open offense. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a big discrepancy and big discussion about that, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Chargers were the team that was going to render

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict on this. If the Chargers can win the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl, it could be done. But if they can't,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, high flying offenses still are don't have

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<v Speaker 1>their place in the a f L, where the Chargers

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<v Speaker 1>came from, where they had to sell tickets and guys

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the football. That was one thing, But this is

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League and this, in retrospect was the

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<v Speaker 1>best chance for the Chargers to prove their point and

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<v Speaker 1>win the Super Bowl. They come into this game. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Fouts is all world at quarterback at this point, Charlie Joyner,

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<v Speaker 1>Kellen Winslow, West Chandler is terrific. J Brooks who led

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL in total yards as a rookie, Chuck Munsey

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<v Speaker 1>led the NFL and touchdowns. I mean, they were unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 1>This team was so unstoppable, and maybe more importantly, they

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<v Speaker 1>had lightning bolts on their pants, which really that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way that was. That's the you know what, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>old line? Uh, it's from Catch Me if you can.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why? Why the why the Yankees have such

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<v Speaker 1>an advantage. It's the uniforms. People just can't stop looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the pin stripes. Well, I would wear if I could,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like, I would wear tight pants that had

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<v Speaker 1>lightning bolts up and down them if I could stop you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have any creativity in your soul whatsoever, and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of bucks in your pocket, you could make

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<v Speaker 1>this hat. Listen, I'm not going on Pinterest to try

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<v Speaker 1>to find something. I'm just not doing it right. If

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<v Speaker 1>I can you give me this size, I'll have them

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<v Speaker 1>for your next fight. You can't find it on eBay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna go. Look, man, I'm gonna upgrade those

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<v Speaker 1>zoobaz pants you've been wearing for the last thirty years,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get you those lightning bolts. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>lightning bolts on your pants, man, I'll make sure that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to the dark Web to find lightning

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<v Speaker 1>bolts on pants. That's how I'm gonna do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you need the dark Web. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you need to open come. You might descrub your browser.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to. Okay, Well all right then, well

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<v Speaker 1>you know, challenge accepted. So for the next special teams,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta tell me where that is. Then I will

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<v Speaker 1>find them lightning bolts on pants so or otherwise I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just custom design them. Man. Oh well, put your name

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<v Speaker 1>in the lightning bolts. Oh see, now if you can customize,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be pretty cool that I'd kind of like. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So this was Air Correel. This is them at

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<v Speaker 1>their at their biggest peaked on Corriel who brought this

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<v Speaker 1>offense in with him through to the NFL and the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 1>Really they only were ten and six on the season,

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<v Speaker 1>but you felt like they were always gonna win games

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<v Speaker 1>in the final two minutes. They were, They were always

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<v Speaker 1>up and down the field. They were fun to watch

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<v Speaker 1>and and you always went to this game going, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't have our a game going, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>blow us out because of the way they like to

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<v Speaker 1>play football. But I think that's one of the you

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<v Speaker 1>meant and kind of how we look at this team

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<v Speaker 1>in historical terms. Right, we had the fight over don

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<v Speaker 1>kore Yell in the Hall of Fame. Oh yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the end they only won of his games, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and and not to dismiss it, he's above five hundred, great,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't dominant, right when you talk about innovation

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<v Speaker 1>and things that are setting everybody's hair on fire. For

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<v Speaker 1>all the yardage, for all the spreading it out with

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<v Speaker 1>the myriad weapons you had in this offense, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the great names from strata matic football history, no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it. Where you wanted to march up and

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<v Speaker 1>down the field, this was the team to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you got I'm gonna be the Chargers. Questions

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<v Speaker 1>had that won games in strata matic, not necessarily on

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL Gridirons sixty nine and fifty six for his

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<v Speaker 1>career with the Charges, seven and one in St. Louis

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<v Speaker 1>before that. So that's why you always have this battle.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they scored almost thirty points a game this year,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine point nine four hundred seventy eight points and

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<v Speaker 1>they were ten and six. But could this team that

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<v Speaker 1>throws the football and plays on the West Coast in

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<v Speaker 1>the sunshine, could their game travel? Because that's the other

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<v Speaker 1>part of the equation was, hey, can you play this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of offense in the playoffs in the cold weather?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you win games like this? Those two those are

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<v Speaker 1>the two number one and number two things people always

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<v Speaker 1>ask can the Chargers do it? And they were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no bigger challenge than this. You're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the coldest game in the history of the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations Chargers. This is what you have to do in

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati to get to the super Bowl. And oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, the Bengals, this is the year they put

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<v Speaker 1>it all together. This was a really, really solid team, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Ross was a terrific tight end. Chris Collinsworth was

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie. You could already tell he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a star. And it's fun. I forgot how Collinsworth

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<v Speaker 1>used to when he would line up. He used to

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<v Speaker 1>just before the ball was snapped, he used to flail

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<v Speaker 1>his arms back and forth. You always know it was him.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to do that all the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for getting fed about guys with no motion. He would

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<v Speaker 1>always do that as as as he would get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the snap. So that was always fun. But they

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<v Speaker 1>had Pete Johnson who ran for a thousand yards and

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen touchdowns. Anthony Monios is the greatest offensive lineman of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. They really put it all together. Forest greg

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<v Speaker 1>was the head coach who, oh, by the way, played

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ice Bowl, so he had the unfortunate experience

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<v Speaker 1>of having to play in the two Colden's games in

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<v Speaker 1>NFL history. But it's funny. Forest Greg, though, is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that I always associated as the Packers coach right

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly, even though he had more years in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, he was always the Packers coach, just me.

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<v Speaker 1>With all of this going on, the head of the

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<v Speaker 1>snake of this team was quarterback Kenny Anderson. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was no more shocking ascent than Kenny Anderson. This year

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. He was the top rated passer in

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<v Speaker 1>the league. He was the m v P. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the come from behind are the comeback player of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>He had always been a good, solid quarterback into the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl a couple of times. Cincinnati was decent in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen seventies, early to mid nineteen seventy Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>won a few games at playoff games. They had three

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<v Speaker 1>ten win seasons, and then they were terrible. And when

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<v Speaker 1>they were terrible, Anderson was terrible. I can't believe he

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<v Speaker 1>stayed with them. I can't believe they kept him as

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback. He was awful in nineteen eighty awful, nine

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<v Speaker 1>ten touchdowns, twenty two picks. He was how do you

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<v Speaker 1>stay there quiet that point, he'd been in the legal while.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you not say, okay, maybe time for a

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<v Speaker 1>change in quarterback? And then he got all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to the nineteen six I know, and he played. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was unbelievable, like he had Like I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a couple of good years while you young,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get the benefit of the data as you

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<v Speaker 1>get older, but usually that's as a backup. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where, Nope, he's still gonna be. Our starters

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<v Speaker 1>are are you kidding me? And then in one he

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<v Speaker 1>throws twenty nine touchdowns thirty eight hundred yards, all career highs.

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<v Speaker 1>He never approached those numbers before that year or after

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<v Speaker 1>that year. It's like he was efficient the following two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if this was the two seventy one percent completion,

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<v Speaker 1>if he was a baseball player, you would say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the year that they were banging the trash can.

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<v Speaker 1>And he knew exactly what was going on. He knew,

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<v Speaker 1>he knew what the play was, he knew what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of defense they were in because they banged the trash

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<v Speaker 1>can like for the Astros. But that that was the

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<v Speaker 1>meteoric rise of Kenny Anderson. If his if his career

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<v Speaker 1>was a grand it would be flat flight flat flave,

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<v Speaker 1>flat up, a little bit flat five, flat up, a

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<v Speaker 1>litt bit flaight flight flight flight flat down, down, down, down, down, straight,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up to the top, straight, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way down the bottom flat flight flight flight flight flight flat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Anderson. Yeah, that's the guy. That's the rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>you got the big innovation that everybody's looking for. So

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<v Speaker 1>the stock pops and then you failed to meet earnings

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<v Speaker 1>the next quarter. Uh, and you go right back up

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<v Speaker 1>the charts. Twenty nine touchdowns in eight one for his career.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there from seventy one to eighty six, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>He grew more than twenty touchdowns once one one other

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<v Speaker 1>time back in nineteen seventy five, nineteen, the year after,

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<v Speaker 1>and that eleven, ten, sixteen, And he played most most years.

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<v Speaker 1>He played in almost all games. So it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>he was down in the you know, Jim McMahon era

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<v Speaker 1>and guys like that that were contemporaries where you were

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<v Speaker 1>gonna miss a bunch of games along the way. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he played, uh and just didn't excel. How's that for

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<v Speaker 1>being kind? No, that was good. You played and didn't excel.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate that. Just go out there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Jennifer Anderston, Hey, we're gonna give you another script

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<v Speaker 1>for romantic comedy. Is it gonna be good? It's gonna stink? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll keep giving him to you. You lead Jennifer Anderston alone,

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<v Speaker 1>she's an American treasure. Did she go to Northwestern? No? Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I I have no tie to her other than

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<v Speaker 1>just um my love of her. That's nice night. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>for that and we had that water that was the

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<v Speaker 1>billboard right by our exit for work for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>so when I get stopped at that light, I could smile.

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<v Speaker 1>So fortunately that sets the table completely for the Freezer Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened next and what happened to the players following

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<v Speaker 1>this game, coldest game in NFL history, the Freezer Bowl?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did the Chargers have so many problems? We'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you coming up next January, Cincinnati Riverfront Stadium. Dick Enberg

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<v Speaker 1>and Merlin Olson on the call. Minus nine degrees minus

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight degrees when you factor in the windshill factor.

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<v Speaker 1>The Freezer Bowl, the coldest game in NFL history, was

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<v Speaker 1>set to kick off, and the players knew right away

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<v Speaker 1>this was gonna be unlike any game they ever played.

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<v Speaker 1>Hank Bower, who had gone out for the Chargers to

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<v Speaker 1>warm up before game, do a bit of running and

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<v Speaker 1>come back in, actually told his teammates when he came

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<v Speaker 1>back in, guys, listen, um, whatever layers you're wearing, take

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<v Speaker 1>them off, because they're just gonna slow you down and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna help anyway, because it's just that cold out.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can mentioned Merlin Olson, I mean father Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>up in the booth, praying for some sunshine if it's warm,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did he did, there was. The sun did

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<v Speaker 1>peek in and out at times in the game, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still didn't matter. It's not like it went from hey,

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<v Speaker 1>minus thirty eight, now it's fifty degrees. No, it's minus

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight. Now it's minus thirty six and a half degrees. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Both teams had trouble and both teams were were were

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<v Speaker 1>intimidated by the cold. But you could tell there was

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<v Speaker 1>one team there's a little bit more ready for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Cincinnati. One team that was not, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the Chargers. Kenny Anderson, after in between every play, would

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<v Speaker 1>put his hands right down his pants right where where's

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<v Speaker 1>the warmest part of your body, right in the growing areas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm gonna put my hands to warm up

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<v Speaker 1>between every play, found advice. Fouts was wearing a white

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<v Speaker 1>sweatshirt under his jersey and after every play he would

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<v Speaker 1>pull the cuffs over his hands to keep him warm.

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<v Speaker 1>He he had a tough time holding onto the football

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<v Speaker 1>the entire game. And you're gonna see a big pattern

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<v Speaker 1>with Dan Fouts and why the Charges weren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the Super Bowl and win. This game is

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<v Speaker 1>really about Dan Fouts and a lack of planning. But

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<v Speaker 1>right away you knew that Dan facts this was not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be his day, all right. The first pass

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, he threw He's got Kellen Winslow wide

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<v Speaker 1>open in the flat it. Winslow is gonna catch it

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<v Speaker 1>five yards and run for another ten yards in the

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<v Speaker 1>first down, and Fouts there's nobody between him and he

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<v Speaker 1>throws the ball and it flutters ten feet over Winslow's

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<v Speaker 1>head into the sideline. Winslow barely jumps because he's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna catch it. And from that moment, uh, he maybe

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<v Speaker 1>backed away from the TV and said, oh, Dan Fouts

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna struggle. His third pass of the game, he

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<v Speaker 1>tries to throw it up twenty yards down field, it

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<v Speaker 1>flutters out of his hand, comes down, and it should

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<v Speaker 1>have been picked off because there's two dbs there, but

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<v Speaker 1>they wind the ball winds up going to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was kind of the day for Fouts. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so much that he had trouble throwing the football

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<v Speaker 1>as much as it was gripping it, because the ball

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<v Speaker 1>should never have fluttered the way it did coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of his hand. In fact, even said after the game,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe Kenny Anderson was able to throw spirals

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<v Speaker 1>during the game. I couldn't throw them at all. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have a big check mark in the column for

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<v Speaker 1>warm weather team that likes to throw the football coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the cold and can't do it. Check mark. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the San Diego Chargers. Yeah, on that first play,

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<v Speaker 1>you just see the ball flutter and start to rise

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<v Speaker 1>Winslow as you described it, a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>jump and the mean mug. Look he game Dan Fouts

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<v Speaker 1>on that play right off the jump. All right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have fun for the next two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>to three hours because you already have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of malcontentedness from your white house. And so you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to throw short and you're praying for yak you're playing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're praying for the slip tackle and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the big play that comes off a short pass that

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<v Speaker 1>never comes. And that's the thing. When Fouts would throw short,

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<v Speaker 1>when he would try to throw ten to twelve yards

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<v Speaker 1>past the line of scrimmage, they did well because the

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<v Speaker 1>Chargers moved the ball the whole day. It's not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>every game with every every series was three downs upon

0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.240
<v Speaker 1>they moved the ball well, but when they tried to

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<v Speaker 1>go for chunk yardage, they either turned the ball over fouts,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't throw the football deep. It was incomplete. They would

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<v Speaker 1>make a mistake mistakes and not being able to go

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<v Speaker 1>down field killed the Chargers and they never adjusted. You

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<v Speaker 1>think at halftime after a half of not throwing the football, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they would say, all right, here's what we gotta do.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta go down ten yards at a time. But

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<v Speaker 1>or or we gotta take what we can get from

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<v Speaker 1>this defense, because clearly every time we try to get

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<v Speaker 1>greedy and throw the ball downfield, we couldn't do it right.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was the first half to a t for

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<v Speaker 1>the Chargers. All right, the Bengals do a smart thing

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<v Speaker 1>and the opening kickoff, they decided to take the wind

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<v Speaker 1>at their backs in the first and third quarter because

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<v Speaker 1>they want to put doubt in San Diego's mind. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to get off to a fast start because San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego's team, you can pile up a lot of points

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<v Speaker 1>if we can make them have a scoreless first order,

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to control the game. We put doubt

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<v Speaker 1>in their minds. Maybe we get a score or two,

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<v Speaker 1>we can control the game. And that turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be the best decision because normally, when you're choosing the wind,

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted second and fourth quarter, but they chose first

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<v Speaker 1>and third quarter because they wanted to get off to

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<v Speaker 1>a big start, and it happened. James Brooks had a

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<v Speaker 1>fumble after Cincinnati kicked the field goal, Anderson throws a

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown past M. L. Harris. It's ten nothing Cincinnati in

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<v Speaker 1>the first quarter. It's cold for both teams, but still

0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati was a little bit better being able to move

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<v Speaker 1>down the field. And we get to the second quarter

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ten nothing Bengals and you're wondering, is San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego gonna get back in this or are they just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just fall over for the rest of the day. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know that the hits hurt a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more growing up in Chicago play football you were in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. Right, If you're down a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>things aren't clicking, the the extra blow, it's gonna hurt

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<v Speaker 1>a little more when it's cold and you're already miserable,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that that want to sometimes gets beaten out

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<v Speaker 1>of you pretty fast. And it's not that you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>obliterated because I mean they're not getting blown out by

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<v Speaker 1>any stretch. It's just more of the function of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not seeing that chunk yardage that you're normally gonna

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<v Speaker 1>gonna use. And the rub routes were years from being

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<v Speaker 1>really used effectively. Uh, think about the Chargers if they

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<v Speaker 1>implemented some of that take that COREEL needed ground COREEL

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<v Speaker 1>instead of aircraft. Now, two things, at least you know

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<v Speaker 1>some some more. I think creativity on the I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't work the intermediate all about those halftime adjustments, Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's really what it's all about. Two big

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<v Speaker 1>things for San Diego. In the first quarter, they get

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<v Speaker 1>in position to kick a field goal and Ralph Bernershka,

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<v Speaker 1>who was one of the better kickers in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>uh comes out to kick. Look, he was a big

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<v Speaker 1>hero and bernursca you know the week before when but

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<v Speaker 1>when you're kicking in Miami's eighty eight degrees, hey, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit different. His thirty seven yard field goal

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<v Speaker 1>gets about three feet off the ground and doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>reach the end zone. His ball had no chance and

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell already in his head is I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that I can kick this ball today. I I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't know. Now it's into the stiff wind in

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<v Speaker 1>the first quarter, but I don't know that I can

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Dan Fouts also makes an incredibly bad play

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<v Speaker 1>another chance that san Diego has, because like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>they drove the ball downfield. He tries to get greedy

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<v Speaker 1>and he throws a jump ball into the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a flutterball that gets picked off by Cincinnati and

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<v Speaker 1>and San Diego walks off the field and you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell kind of throw is that? And it

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<v Speaker 1>was a throw to the quarterback if he makes that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he sits on the bench because I'm throwing it

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<v Speaker 1>up into the end zone and there's two defensive backs

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<v Speaker 1>there and one of my guys, and this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a smart play. And instead of getting a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to get more points, this was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>examples of here's Dan Fouts, here's the Chargers getting too

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<v Speaker 1>greedy making a bad throw instead of trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>down the field in a little bit different way. And

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<v Speaker 1>so instead of being in the game, you're staring at

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<v Speaker 1>attend nothing deficit and boy, it looks like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of points. Stop talking about Jake Cutler. I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about the charge. Oh look at you. Wow, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you talked about the last podcast. Jake Cutler

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<v Speaker 1>is the most underrated, maybe the best quarterback I love

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and now you're just ripping Jay Cutler. No, I love

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Jake Cutler, but there were times where there was no conscience.

0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm putting it. What should I said, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Maybe

0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 1>expectations are low. That guy's the biggest winner in football

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<v Speaker 1>history for the longevity of the career that he's had

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and his ability to show off his kids math skills.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Cutler is a guy that people will take the digs.

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I just took the easy one for everybody that was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it as you're speaking. I I wear my jersey

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, not quite not quite a T shirt?

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<v Speaker 1>You do, I will? I do wear that jersey all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. You never wear the jersey and the purple

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<v Speaker 1>shorts at the same time, though, I mean dark bluin right, Yeah? No,

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<v Speaker 1>dark blue and purple don't go together, is no? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that that's one if I'm hold up, you know

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<v Speaker 1>in my lonely writer's Garrett where nobody sees me so

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<v Speaker 1>at this point I'm think Cincinnati knows when Fouts tries

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<v Speaker 1>to throw the football deep, he's not gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, and we're gonna be able to jump

0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 1>in front of passes, and we know we can't get

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:13.919
<v Speaker 1>him down field. But the big lightning strike, quick moment

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that the Chargers had, really the only one of the day,

0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 1>actually comes in the second quarter when they cut the

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 1>score to ten seven. Now, the wind is at San

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Diego's back and they're touchdown of the day. They only

0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:29.159
<v Speaker 1>scored one scored seven points. Dan Fouts. It looks like

0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be some kind of bootleg play, but what

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<v Speaker 1>it really is is a play to free up Kellen

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Winslow on a tight end screen, and Fouts turns around

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>almost directly into one of the Cincinnati Bengals defensive lineman.

0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:47.200
<v Speaker 1>He just throws it blindly to where Winslow is supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>going to be standing, hoping he's gonna catch it. Winslow

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<v Speaker 1>catches it, and he rumbles down the sideline for a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three yard touchdown. This cuts the score to ten seven. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get further a little bit about Kellen Winslow,

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<v Speaker 1>we know the kind of player he was the Hall

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.160
<v Speaker 1>of Fame player you see highlights, but watching this game

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically this play, he's someone who is so physically

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>dominant and apparent you know where he is every mobile

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>he's on the screen because he's so much bigger than

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.639
<v Speaker 1>everybody else. And this guy is a tight end and

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<v Speaker 1>he he wasn't he wasn't skinny. He looked like a

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>man playing against boys. Because this touchdown, when he catches

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the ball and runs, it's like one of those video

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<v Speaker 1>games where you catch it and you're running and other

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>player comes up to try to tackle you and you

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.360
<v Speaker 1>hit the stiff arm button and you knocked them down,

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, or like one of those touchdowns for one

0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>of those football movies where the really big team with

0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 1>all the big kids just blocks everybody out and the

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 1>guy pushes everybody out of the way and gets to

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the end zone, I mean early in the game, before

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the big ragtag come back at the end and some

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy thing happens. But that's what Kellen Winslow

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<v Speaker 1>is like. So you just watch a few plays from

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 1>this game, and it's easy to see why this guy

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>was so dominant, why he was so good. He just

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.439
<v Speaker 1>looks like he's on a different level physically and in

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>control of his body attically than anybody else on the field.

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>It really was something to see. Well, Hall of Famer

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 1>and why when his kid made the the NFL, the

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.880
<v Speaker 1>expectations were huge for him. And we know where things

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>have gone sideways, uh through the years. But you know what,

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>we watched these teams. You go back and you think

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 1>of what receivers look like today, right, A bigger, stronger, faster,

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was that prototype thirty years ago, right,

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and and would have fit right in to the way

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 1>we run offenses now. Uh, and the big passing attacks.

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.679
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you're you're just seeing that size differential, the

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>ability to create space. All of that led to such

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>a huge career. And again here you're you're trying to

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 1>get just that separation, but you can't get the big

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>play and the big pop and and mentioned the career

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.400
<v Speaker 1>record of Coreyell and everything else. Just's just how did

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 1>with all this talent they never got over And I

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>know our our show producer, Justin Frostberg as he listens

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to us Curson uh for for not you know, extolling

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 1>all the virtues of the Chargers fun to watch, and

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>then in big moments, just no matter how much talent

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you had, couldn't get over. At this point, the Chargers, okay,

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe we're back into it. Fouts. Everybody jumps on the

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>field to congratulate him after this touchdown, and maybe this

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>is their moment. Okay, they broke through the touchdown. The

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<v Speaker 1>game is ten seven. Now we got Now we got

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>something going on. Except that was it. Cincinnati dominates from

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 1>that moment out. They drive right back down the field.

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Pete Johnson scores a touchdown to make it seventeen seven.

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Dan Fouts drives the Charges back down the field and

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<v Speaker 1>again he throws a long wobbler to Charlie Joyner that's

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<v Speaker 1>picked off by Cincinnati. And this is what I mean

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>when I say that he couldn't grip the football, because

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>this is what the wind at his back. He shouldn't

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 1>be throwing a flutterball in the second quarter, but he

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>escapes from the pressure and he just throws up in

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>the ball just goes straight up in the air. You

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 1>can tell the cin C DBS is saying he can't

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>throw it that far. And it's not like he's trying

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to make a sixty yard throw. This is like a

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>yard throw and Joiners kind of running downfield, going where's

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the ball? The Cincinnati dB stopped because they see it fluttering,

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's an easy pick at the five yard line

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>for the Bengals. Another big chance that goes out the

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>window for San Diego, and the combination of the weather

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and the turnovers and things are just going really horribly

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 1>for the Chargers. And the other thing to notice about

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Fouts is this is that, as good as he was,

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Dan Fouts had the worst footwork of any quarterback I've

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>ever seen. He would just take those little baby steps

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to drop back and pass. Sometimes he would take ten

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>step drops. Sometimes there'd be eight, sometimes they'd be fifteen.

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And so it's really it's really hard to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to to throw the football with the effort and and

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<v Speaker 1>and the zip you need on every play when you're

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>not really talking about the timing of Okay, this is

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>seven steps and I'm throwing it. Granted it wasn't that

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't all the way back in the time back then

0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>this is what quarterbacks did, but still a lot of

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it was three five seven step drops and and and

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 1>if you even longer drop than that, okay, but wow,

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>you really need to drop back ten yards to throw

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>the football, and his footwork was so bad that he

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>couldn't overcome the other things. Because sometimes quarterbacks footworks can

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>save them when it comes to throwing a deep out

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>or throwing a slant or throwing the ball down field.

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>But found his footwork was so is that these baby

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 1>steps all over the places. His body was never all

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>the time facing one way or the other. You know,

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>you you don't have momentum. And it's easy to see

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>in this game why this was able to come back

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and hurt him and why the Charges don't go to

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl just watching the the drop bags waiting

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>for things to develop. You know, the interior lineman really

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>had their work cut out for him, uh in this one,

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>because the rush was coming up the gut and Fouch

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a guy getting to the outside extending plays. So

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the baby step drop backs, so trying to stop that

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>motion and then put your full body into the throws.

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>You know you're short arming some of it or relying

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>fully on your arm strength and coming up short. And

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a Hall of Fame career, big big number and all

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about as to what this offense did.

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know, in big moments, big games, game plan

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>against them in here. No confidence against the wind either.

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 1>That that's the other thing that comes in. Even with

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>the wind at his back, didn't seem that happen. Like

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, Thrust, I don't think he could hold the

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 1>football really well. And it's not like the Bengals were

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>baby hands like you hands. It's not like the Bengals

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>were playing great. I mean the Bengals were just playing

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>good enough. They were capitalizing on the Chargers mistakes, which

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>were many. And you know, that's what the third quarter

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>looked like, because in the third quarter San Diego did

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>to just they still tried to get down the field

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the same way a couple of running players throw the

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>ball and then they would try to throw the ball

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>deep and it wouldn't work. Uh, they could have used

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Brooks and then gotten down the field of Brooks and Munsey.

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>They could have done that all day. They were they

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>were they were running the ball well enough, and they

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>were throwing the ball tended twelve yards down the field

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>well enough. It's not like Fouts was ten for forty

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<v Speaker 1>live on the day. He actually had a pretty and

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>an okay completion percentage. But they just couldn't. They just

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get a right mix of how to get the

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>ball downfield. Here's a perfect example, their first drive of

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the game, of the second of the of the second half. Alright,

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>seventeen seven, let's get out there and get and get

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>a score. Uh, getting down the field. First drive, their

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>inside Cincinnati's forty yard line, Chuck Munsey just has the

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>ball popped out and it's one of those clear, uh

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>fundamental tackles where the helmet goes on the football and

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's so cold, it's very difficult. The ball pops out,

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati recovers, they turn that into a field goal. The

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>next big chance the Chargers have for points, big third

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>down play from the twenty yard line. Dan Fouts dropping

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>back kind of locks shoes with Doug Wilkerson. One of

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>his offensive lineman falls down eleven yards behind the line

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>of scrimmage. So it's a field goal for Bernarska, who

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>again misses horribly, doesn't reach the goal line again. And

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that's it. I mean, at that point you throw your

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>arms up and say that's it. They got one more

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>touchdown on the day that the Bengals did in the

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter. That really cemented the game, Anderson throws a

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>touchdown to Don Bass and seven is your final. The

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Bengals go on and the Chargers go back to what

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>just happened to us in the cold? We could never

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>figure it out? And now the Bengals are going to

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl. When you build a team, you know

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>you got eight at home, and you're playing in beautiful,

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>sunny San Diego, right, the most beautiful, best city in

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the world by some of those magazines that rate all

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>those different aspects. But you've got to account for the

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>fact that eight of your games aren't played in San Diego,

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and then certainly in the playoffs, all bets are off.

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>But you're built for one style of play man. How

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>many times do we watch it from the college perspective

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>of all right, you play in this conference and I'll

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>take my beloved Big Ten for instance, or for all

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.959
<v Speaker 1>those years it was rough and tumble, right three yards

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>in a cloud of dust, and then you go play

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>some high flying SEC team in a bowl game, by

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the way, that's still have and they just got track

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>athletes that are running circles around you. I mean, I

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>think back to Northwestern playing USC right, played very well

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>in in the Big Ten, Conference, they beat Notre name

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>all of these things, the Miracle of the Purple to Pasadena,

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and then I watched Keyshawn Johnson make all the defense

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and backs, and everybody just looked like they were standing still. Granted,

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>no Pat Fitzgerald in that game because he'd been injured.

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>But I don't I don't think even Moses himself. Uh,

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Charlton Heston, Oh, I thought you been Moses. Well, Charlton Heston,

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Northwestern grad would have been able to close up that

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>red Sea Hill. Moses former actor of the seventies and

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 1>eighties and the nighttime soap operas. That's nice, nicely done.

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm out of guys whose last name is Moses, Haven, Moses, Billy, Moses. Well,

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>we can bring in Moses Moreno. Yeah, but that's that's

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>his first name. There's a lot of first names Moses. Yeah.

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>But I was going to try to go the last

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>name Moses. I tried, you know, I just thought I'd

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>try to keep the game going. But it's just that

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>idea of you. You build your team to play one

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>style and then unfortunately some signs, the styles and the

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>elements don't work in your favor. Fouts's day was fifteen

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>out of twenty eight for a hundred and eighty five yards,

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the touchdown to Winslow and the two interceptions that I

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>told you about. They had four turnovers overall, which killed them.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Chuck Munsey had three fumbles uh and James Brooks had

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a fumble as well. Not all of them lost obviously,

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>but Muncey ran for a hundred yards. He still got

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>eight yards receiving from West Chandler. They limited Kellen Winslow.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>That was really the only play he had all day.

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>He only caught three passes total, and Charlie Joyner didn't

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>affect the team nothing they did on offense. They were

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>able to sustain enough to win. Meanwhile, for the Bengals,

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Kenny Anderson and efficient day fourteen out of twenty two

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>for one sixty one and two touchdowns. It worked. Pete

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Johnson ran for eight yards and a touchdown and that's

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of all you needed, you know. Colins Worth only

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>caught a couple of asses, didn't matter. They were able

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>to finish their chances when they had them, while the

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Chargers fumbled through picks, couldn't get accustomed to the cold.

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>And this is how the Bengals wind up in the

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl against the San Francisco forty Niners. But what

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>was next for these teams coming off of the coldest

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>game ever. Well, it's a big deal both physically mentally,

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and a huge train between these teams in later years.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>That's coming up next right here on special Teams. The

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>aftermath of the Freezer Bowl, Well, let's just say that

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>players are still feeling the effects of it today. Kenny

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Anderson said his right hand has never been the same

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>since that day, and any time he gets really cold,

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>he has a trouble feeling it. It's it's never been

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the same. Other players say the same thing about parts

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>of their bodies. Kellen Winslow said one of his feet

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>has never been the same following that game. It was

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was it frostbite? Was it some kind of of damage

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you did to your body? Because it was just that cold.

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>You have to think that was it. After that day,

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 1>anytime it gets cold, you see what happens to the

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>parts of your body. You got Anderson, you had Winslow.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 1>A couple of the players said the same thing. Even

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>the referees had a difficult time in this game. They

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>kept going to the dryers on the sideline you know

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>those big things. They used to have to pump out

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>hot air to keep players warming on the sideicle of

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>when it was cold games. So the referees, when they

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>had a chance, they would run and stand right in

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>front of those dryers. Now it's right, it's not two

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 1>thousand twenties, so technology of hot dryers blowing out air

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 1>isn't the best. And there were sparks that were coming

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>out of the dryer once in a while. And a

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of referees at the end of the game, you know,

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 1>when they were in the referee room changing, they looked

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 1>at each other's close and go, hey, dude, your your

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 1>shirt is burnt. Hey, your pants are burnt. Because they

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>got so close that their clothes got burnt. But it

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>was so cold they didn't feel it. They had they

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>had the parts in their what they were wearing burned,

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't feel because it was still so called out. Well,

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like Cramer when he was putting his uh clothes

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in the pizza oven. Uh it burned him up. I mean,

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do? What do I know about

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>cooking a shirt? But you know, we talked to Mike

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Pereira about this on our evening show on Fox Sports

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Radio every season about dealing with the elements and the

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 1>different referees, because you're starting to take age into consideration, right,

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>how many guys have been through the wars and and

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and where they're at physically. It's a it's a question

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that you ask in twenty going forward. Uh, you know,

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>dealing with COVID nineteen as well, the precautions taken for referees,

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 1>just like we're looking at players, coaches, and staff, but

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>also for the elements, you know, keeping warm. You know,

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>this was a couple of years before ISOTNA gloves too,

0:35:55.120 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 1>before Dan Marino started doing holiday commercials to give those out. So,

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know what the glove technology was

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in nine in terms of being able to grip a

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>football and do all those things. So we look at

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, simple technological games they're as well, but yeah,

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>trying to get warm on the sidelines a much different

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>animal thirty years later. Even the players at the end

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 1>of the game, we're telling that the officials seven seven,

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>they're going, dude, come on, just end the game. It's

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 1>so bleep and cold. Just end the game. Just the game,

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Just end the game. It really was you see the

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>fans in the stands. I don't know how they made

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 1>it through the games, you know, by the way, just

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>just was really funny. But well that that helps as well.

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>What are you for it? Because you know there were

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>home fans watching to win? You know, watch this game

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>because you can see a replay of it on YouTube

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>if you if you want to see it, and in

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and in going back and looking at some of the plays.

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Here the number of w l W banners that were

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>up in Riverfront stated which was the Bengals radio network.

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was amazing nowadays how many there was

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>at least ten to fifteen w LW banners up that

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>they showed in between plays and when big things are

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>going on, here's banners up. We love winning and you

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>know the Bengals colors. I'm like, you never see that now,

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the the Jets radio network. The people

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>don't go seven we're gonna beat the Patriots seven. Today

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't see that. But back then that's all that

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>want WW Like I I think, if I want to remember, right,

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>there was I don't know if it was an urban

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>legend or an urban myth back then, but that if

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you did a banner or held a sign at a

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>baseball game or a football game, or a basketball game,

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>hockey games, and you held the sign up, and it

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>was about one of the broadcasters that the chances are

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you could get on television or and they would see it,

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>because it's about when it's hey, it's a commercial for us, right,

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>we're showing an ad for our radio station or TV station.

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So it's always hey, if you do it, you'll be

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>able to get on TV. So maybe that's what they

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>were thinking. But I'm like, boy, that's a lot of

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>WW posters out there, and he's trying to get a

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit of run, right, a little bit of extra FaceTime,

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's trying to get themselves on. Were watching cardboard

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>cutouts of people uh in the crowds of surprise, they're

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>not holding up banners, flags, or other things with a

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>corporate or personal message uh to you. So yeah, that

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>curious as I watched the the replay as well of

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>all of that signage in a stadium different times though,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 1>right from the national Games and what it met, the

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>magnification of it now, the way we look at the

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 1>televising of games and standardizing, I think to some degree,

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>as well. I mean I just remember growing up, you

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'd rush home from school for Cubs broadcast

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 1>White Sox fans south side of town. But hey, day

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>baseball was day baseball. But watching that type of scenario, Uh,

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.839
<v Speaker 1>you had one producer whose obvious I was to look

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>for the tourists that had come to Chicago, uh and

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed themselves in the bleachers. Nowadays, you're probably not getting

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>away with some of the visuals that you get a

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>nice long looks like don't put the camera back on

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.439
<v Speaker 1>the booth as they introduced the new inning. Nope, keeping

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 1>it on the ladies uh, in in the crowd, particularly

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.479
<v Speaker 1>the bleacher creatures. Uh. And then certainly Harry Carey would

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>have the not too well whomever they found, uh and

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>usually holding up a banner or something, you know, showing

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>love to the broadcast booths. So that was the other

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>way to get on TV. To Jason Gamman, you know,

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a tailor as old as time. So what

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>happened for these teams following well, they would actually get

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>back together a couple of years later in a much

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>different way. The Bengals go to the Super Bowl. They

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 1>lose to the fort is the first of Montana's championships.

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, the Chargers stay the Chargers air correel, throw

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 1>the football up and down the field, and then right

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 1>before the season, what many Bengals fans will tell you

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>was the greatest trade in franchise history happened, and what

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>many Chargers fans would tell you was, what the hell

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 1>were we doing so prior to the Phelps uh all,

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:58.240
<v Speaker 1>my Ken Phelps best at that ratio. Ever, Pete Johnson,

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 1>then of the Bengals, one a new contract from Cincinnati.

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>He had been a really good running back for the

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>past few years for the Bengals. We talked about him

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 1>in this game too. He had a touchdown. He was

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>threatening to go to the USFL if he didn't get

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a new contract, so he had kind of had it

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>with the Bengals. He's a thirty year old running back. Meanwhile,

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the Chargers, things weren't going swimming lee for them with

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>James Brooks, even though the first two years in the

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>league he led the NFL and all purpose yardage, but

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 1>for some reason it wasn't clicking and they decide, let's

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.479
<v Speaker 1>make a trade. So the Chargers trade the twenty five

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.359
<v Speaker 1>year old James Brooks for the thirty year old Pete Johnson, who,

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is coming off a four game suspension

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>for cocaine usage. Uh so, I can't believe that this

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 1>this is the trade. You got a thirty year old

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 1>running back that wants a new contract, that's coming off

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a cocaine suspension, and the Chargers say, we're gonna give

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>you one of the best all around players in the

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>game who was twenty five years old. It doesn't make sense,

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>but this is the trade that happened. How did the

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>trade go from then on? Oh? My goodness. For James Brooks,

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>he goes on and he becomes a Pro Bowl player.

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>For many years, Brooks was fantastic. He played eight seasons

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati, and he was the same player he was

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>with the San Diego Chargers, up amongst the league leaders

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>all around yardage every single year. He was it. Suddenly,

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>James Brooks is putting air into the tires of the

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Bengals, who, by the way, he helps them get

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:32.919
<v Speaker 1>back to the Super Bowl a few years later when

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.720
<v Speaker 1>he's at the end of his prime. Meanwhile, for Pete Johnson,

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>he plays three games with the Chargers, not three seasons.

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Not three games for the Chargers, and then they got

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>rid of him. He went and played the final thirteen

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>games of the season with the Miami Dolphins and he

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>retired after that. You want to look back at the

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>annals of bad trades, worst trades ever. We talk a

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>lot about baseball trades and what happened and with with

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>teams and and you know, John Smaul, Doyle, Alexander or

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>whatever trade want to talk about. But James Brooks for

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Pete Johnson NFL, that's up at the top. Well, don't forget.

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.919
<v Speaker 1>James Brooks also went on to create the Simpsons. That's true.

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>That's true. Well, well he had to change his name

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to James L. Brooks then, but but he added the L.

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>We had to bring in the middle initial. Uh, we're

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.920
<v Speaker 1>just kidding folks on case you didn't recognize just the

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>brand of humor. But yeah, that that's gotta be about

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>it as bad as it goes, especially for a franchise

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that would then become well they become one of the

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 1>laughing stocks. Unfortunately, two teams in Ohio carried that banner

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of years, and your Jets, uh sorry

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 1>for years, but for the for the Bangles, and and

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 1>for the Chargers here this is this is where you're at.

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>The Bengals actually get over on one uh for one time,

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and Charger fans are still looking for that elusive Super Bowl.

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>James Brooks made the Pro Bowl with the Cincinnati Bengals

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>four times after the trade. Four times he ran for

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a thousand yards three times still caught a lot of

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 1>yards passing. This is back when running backs catching three

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to four hundred yards and passes was a lot. You know,

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>this isn't Oh my goodness, he's at thousand yards. Say now,

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 1>this is when catching thirty to forty passes a year

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>was a very big deal. And James Brooks was that

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>good a player. He stayed with the team through and

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 1>even in his final year when he's thirty three years old,

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:26.839
<v Speaker 1>he ran for almost six hundred yards and a couple

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of touchdowns. He caught three fifty yards and passes. So

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>when he was at the end, the guy was productive.

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And some of his big years with Cincinnati when he

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 1>was thirty and thirty one years old, twelve hundred yards rushing,

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 1>three hundred yards receiving. He was a star all the

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>way through the rest of the eighties, and I know,

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 1>the Chargers weren't winning the Super Bowl with him, but boy,

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you get five and this guy becomes the lynch pinner

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of your offense. Maybe you actually win one, maybe you

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>win one before Dan Fouts retires, but never got the

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>chance because this trade was made. And still you scratch

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 1>and and go, boyfriend, at least one moment in time,

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals got over on another team. Yeah, I know

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.879
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't happened much in the history. And we'll see

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 1>what happens in this this new world order with a

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a new gun slinger brought to the team here in

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and Joe Burrow. But you know, when when you look

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 1>at the Chargers, just a lot of what ifs. There's

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>been some great talents, uh that have come through that

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>organization and little pieces that are missing. Right, we talked

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>about this particular season with with Dan Fouts. Well, they

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 1>got beat up by the Bengals earlier in the season, right,

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>so he couldn't solve them in at home and he

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>and he gets blown out on the road. Uh. So

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 1>you have those kind of issues and you have the

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>high flying attack, and it's it's always hard when things

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.879
<v Speaker 1>seem to be working. It's like all right, we're almost there,

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 1>but being able to pull the plug because we normally

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 1>see it the other way in sports, Right, where's the

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 1>You don't get nearly enough time to work? And I

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>mean that's certainly been one of the hallmarks of the

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Bengals organization outside of Marvin Lewis's run. Is all right,

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>let's flip. That's the Browns, that's the Jets, that's a

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.320
<v Speaker 1>number of NFL teams of all right, it's been two years.

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>We're not seeing the progress we want. Flip the coach,

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Flip the GM quarterback. I'll get one more year. By

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 1>the way, it's his fourth offensive coordinator. Uh, and let's

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>keep flipping, because you always gotta have a fall guy here.

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<v Speaker 1>He ran with the high flying offense as much as

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<v Speaker 1>you could, but this was their their best shot. So

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<v Speaker 1>how about somewhere are they now from this game? Mr? Harmon,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you got for us? Oh? We got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of good ones here, Willie Buchanan, Uh, doing virtual

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<v Speaker 1>office systems. He was ahead of the game before we

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<v Speaker 1>got to COVID nineteen and working remotely. Also some real

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<v Speaker 1>estate work. You got Lynden King thirteen years in the

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<v Speaker 1>league US. He was actually became a singer of a

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<v Speaker 1>country after he finished the linebacker for many years in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League. It was Wing and the Southern Steel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good name. I like that. That's pretty good. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they were down in uh, down in Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>down in Nashville for a while West Chandler Uh, founder

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<v Speaker 1>of w c t E w U c t E,

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<v Speaker 1>but working on bio pharmaceuticals to help with CTE traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>brain injuries. Uh et Centro. Uh. And then I got

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<v Speaker 1>to two big ones for you to finish. Uh. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got always Pat Pat Mcinally, you gotta show him love

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<v Speaker 1>because in this broadcast they brought up his Wonderlick test. Then, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, because you can't bring up the wonder you

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<v Speaker 1>can't bring up Pat mc and I without saying only

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<v Speaker 1>player to get a perfect score in the Wonder. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit in the telecast where you get that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the key is also he brought us the starting

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<v Speaker 1>lineup action figures, his brain child. So they sold an

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<v Speaker 1>estimated seven hundred million dollars worth of starting lineups. I

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<v Speaker 1>still have a Frank Thomas and I'm Michael Jordan's sitting

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<v Speaker 1>around here somewhere and at one point I had Wade Bobs. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond that, Uh, he's got a played college uh foundation

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that is trying to help economically challenge kids. Uh. They

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<v Speaker 1>help with test preparations. So the A C T and

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 1>S A T. So, so you certainly got that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I wanted to finish with one that is really

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<v Speaker 1>big in the sporting year. Reggie Williams, linebacker. Fourteen years

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<v Speaker 1>in the league. He became the executive director of what

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<v Speaker 1>became the Walt Disney world Wide World. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>the first black vice president for Walt Disney World Sports Recreation.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the ability to create a vision of what that

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<v Speaker 1>space has become, and if it weren't for him, the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA season wouldn't have finished. You know, we have been

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<v Speaker 1>no bubble. I came up with the bubble. Oh that

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>was yeah, that was me. I was the bubble. But

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<v Speaker 1>that whole thing, right, setting up the the fields and

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.760
<v Speaker 1>having that for the Braves for their you know, training,

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and having all of those courts and fields for different

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>youth tournaments, all of that was part of his brain child.

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<v Speaker 1>He retired from Walt Disney World back in two thousand seven,

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 1>but it was his work and in researching for the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you come up with some fun stories. Some

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see players take tragic turns. We've certainly

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.759
<v Speaker 1>talked about a number of those throughout our run here

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<v Speaker 1>on Special Teams and certainly on our show on Fox

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. But occasionally you run into all right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do somewhere are they now? And you know that guys

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 1>have gone on to success, But here you have one

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, hopefully he gets a couple of more nods.

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<v Speaker 1>He certainly got some here for having this this base

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<v Speaker 1>and vision to create that Disney Worldwide World of Sports complex.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the bubble, I think I think they should

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<v Speaker 1>probably pay a little more attention. Hey, let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the architects of this uh and make sure they

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<v Speaker 1>get their just do so there is your complete look

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<v Speaker 1>in the Freezer Ball, the Chargers fall to the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven to seven, and in the process the jury

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<v Speaker 1>still out on can a warm weather team throw the

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<v Speaker 1>football up and down the field and win the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be years until you figured out, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>a team could do that without having to run it

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<v Speaker 1>while being so electric. The Charger's best chance to get

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<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl in those legendary air Corial Teams

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<v Speaker 1>was this day and it was the Cincinnati Bengals who

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