1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: never told your production of I Heart Radio. So my 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: question for you today, Samantha is are you a fan 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: of who Knits? As my friend once accidentally called them, 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: the who done it? Who Done It? Yes, it's according 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: to what the storyline is and what they done it is. 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: But typically yes I do, because I'm also the same 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: person who will be wherever I think we did this 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: couple of times and I would whisper it to whomever 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: else is it next week to give my theories the 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: entire time. Yeah, yeah, you know it's interesting. I'm I'm 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: somebody who likes, I really love trying to figure things 13 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: out and guess ending. But I'm also someone who will 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: get really caught up and people at the handel asked like, 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: who did you think it was? And if it was 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: a good movie, book, whatever, I might have never had 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: a theory. I might have just been so caught up 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: and just like, wow, well it could be this person, 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: this person, this person, this person, and you know, never 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: really had which I do love. And that's one of 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: my favorite things about Scream is anyone who's watched that 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: with me knows is I love how throughout the whole 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: movie they kind of goofly or like, see it could 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: be this person look at this very obvious shot, and 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: clue were hanging on. Have you seen Clue? I have 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: seen Clue, but I feel like I've never given it 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: the attention it deserves. I feel like there's certain scenes, 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: as you know, Samantha, I'm really bad at watching movies actually, um, 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: because I usually I'm doing something else. So there's certain 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: scenes like I remember the ending really well, which is 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: well exactly, I remember that kind of like unfolding of 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: the various ways it could have ended, and then the ending, um, 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: and then of certain other bits and pieces. But I 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: should rewatch it, for sure, because it seemed really fun. 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite movies. Still definitely chroblematic in 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: some things, but it's still great for me. Have you 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: ever played one of those, um, those murder mystery games 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: where everyone gets the card, you know, and then you're 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: playing a character, and as the night goes on, you 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: like figure out who the person who's playing the murderer. 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: You might not know it first, but then you figure 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: out that it's you, and then everyone's trying to guess 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: who it is. No, I'm still trying to make you 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: play among us, and I think that's kind of along 45 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: those lines, except not card for him. Well, it's like 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: a little I mean, you don't have to do it, 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: but it's very active, like it's usually you know, sit 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: on a train in England and I don't know, I've 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: played it a couple of times and I feel like 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: halfway in people sort of give up when I've done it. 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: It was fun. It was my kind of thing for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite episodes of the Office as well. Yes, 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: it's a good episode. Yeah, when Michael says to Creed 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: like so there has been a mud and you all 55 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: the suspecting Creeds like okay, let me just go get 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: something said my desk. Can you see him like peeling 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: out really good, Yes, I declare, which is funny because 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about another who done it with a Southern accent. 59 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: That is brilliant in my opinion, because this is a 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: very special episode of feminist movie Friday, because it's Wednesday. 61 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Think I think so this is a very special feminist 62 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: movie Wednesday. What yep on Knives Out, which has only 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: been out for a year. So if you haven't seen 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: it and you don't want to be spoiled. Somehow you 65 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: miraculously not been spoiled. Skip this one. Go watch it. 66 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: It's on Amazon Prime, it's available, and I love it. 67 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: It's very very good. I'd of this movie. Um. I 68 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: even did a movie crush on it on the podcast 69 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: movie Crush if you want to go check that out. 70 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: And I remember very vividly the first time I saw 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: it with my mom and it did come out around Thanksgiving, 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: which is why we chose this movie because we were 73 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: trying to figure out is there any really good Thanksgiving 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Day movies? And we have some struggles, Yes, yes we did. 75 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: And you know what else I struggled on because we 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: also tried to find a good movie about Native American 77 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: women and that was an easy So if anyone's got 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: any suggestions around that, please please please send them our way. 79 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, this is well, it's not It feels 80 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: very Thanksgiving given ng e because it is a big 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: family gathering where people fight a lot, which unfortunately is 82 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: what I think of what sounds terrible. Um, but yeah, 83 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: I saw it around Thanksgiving last year with my mom. 84 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: And the difference between c in this movie in a small, rural, 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: very conservative town, versus I saw it in Atlanta two 86 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: or three times. Wow, because it is a very political movie. 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Um well, not very political, but there's like an outright 88 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: discussion of politics and Trump is um in the middle 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: of it, and there are a lot of um themes 90 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: around immigration specifically in it. Uh so. But my favorite 91 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: part of seeing it with my mom, as we get 92 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: it all the way to the end and the credits 93 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: are rolling, she turns to me audibly gasp and says 94 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: that was Daniel Craig, who she has a bit of 95 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: a grushot, and I guess she just was so wrapped 96 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: up in it in the accident through her I don't know. 97 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean that was correct, I will say, because I 98 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: knew he was immediately upon a glance, like obviously this 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: is Daniel Craig. I started kind of like score being 100 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: a little bit knowing that he was about to do 101 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: a whole accent, and I was like, oh, dude, this 102 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: English person is going to do this antebellum accent, which 103 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: is really awful in any way. Every time I see 104 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: someone trying to do an accent is so over the 105 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: top and distracting that I can't enjoy whatever. I'm watching 106 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Walking Dead from Prime example, But he does a great job, 107 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: and you do get caught up and being like, oh, 108 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: he's no longer James Spott. He is this dufy investigator. Yeah, 109 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: and almost I would say almost everyone in this movie 110 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: is playing one and it looks like they're having the 111 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: time of their lives, which I love, um because a 112 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: lot of these actors are cast against type. Um, but 113 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: they're they're almost caricatures, Like they're like right on the 114 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: verge of being a caricature. His accent is definitely over 115 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: the top, but I love it, and I want anything 116 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: just I'm so glad there's a sequel. I just want 117 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: more of the accent. Oh um, it was deaf. Really 118 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the last movie I watched in person with a decent 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: sized group of friends before Quarantine, Pandemic and Samantha and 120 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: I we saw in theaters. Yes, this is one of 121 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: those movies. I kept going over to Annie going this 122 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: is good. This is who it is. That's absolutely this person. Yes, 123 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: and our friend Caroline was with us, and Caroline stuck 124 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: around because I I I love doing a good double feature. 125 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: And we saw the newest Star Wars together, Rise of 126 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Skywalker and it was a great day. I remember it fondly. 127 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: But all right, let's talk about this movie, um So 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: Nimes Out. It's a twenty nineteen American murder mystery Who 129 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: Done It? Film written and directed by Ryan Johnson. The 130 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: ensemble cast includes Daniel Craig, anad Armis, Chris Evans, Jamie 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: Lee Curtis, Tony Collette, Michael Shannon, Don Johnson, like Keith Stanfield, 132 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Katherine Langford, Christopher Plumber, Jaded Martel, Ricky lind Home, Kay Callen, 133 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: Edie Patterson, and rank Oz um So a lot of 134 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: people in it. It was well reviewed by both critics 135 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: and audiences, and it's in homage to murder mysteries, everything 136 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: from Clue to True Crime to Agatha Christie to Murder. 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: She wrote. It's also a modern update on the genre 138 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: with Twitter, Instagram, jewel and arguments about Trump. All of 139 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: this is integrated into it. Yeah. I think they did 140 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: a good job because it was such huge casting that 141 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: they were able to bring in different elements of what 142 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: was happening today, which seemed kind of chaotic. Um The 143 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: plot follows the Thromby family after the death of the 144 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: patriarch Harlan Thromby Uh Christopher Plummer whom I love um 145 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: in his super gothic home in modern day New England 146 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: by a parent suicide, and detectives are called in to 147 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: interview the family and employees that worked for Harlan about 148 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: his recent eight birthday celebration interpret what block played by 149 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: beloved Daniel Craig, a famous private detective who has been 150 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: hired by darious unknown client to investigate the death of Harlan. 151 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: Through a series of interviews, we learn more about the 152 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Thromby family's dysfunction issues and of course, privilege, as well 153 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: as potential modus for murders. It's Harlan spent the day 154 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: before his death cleaning house quote unquote yes. The last 155 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: person interviewed is Harlan's nurse friend and confident Marta Cabrera, 156 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: who cannot lie without throwing up. She tells a lie, 157 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: she pukes, Yes, you heard that correctly. Um. I actually 158 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: have a friend who really can't watch vomiting and movies, 159 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: so she really wants to see this, but she's like, 160 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: I need to know precisely the parts desk. I uh, so, 161 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: I think I've rewatched it again with my partner and 162 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: I had to fast forward it because I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, 163 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty narrowly too. It's like, got corn in it 164 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: right up. Um. So Marta flashes back to the night 165 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: of the party as they they're asking her about it, 166 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: and it's revealed that through a medication mix up, Marda 167 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: accidentally gave Harlan a massive fatal overdose. Uh and the 168 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: ambulance is going to take too long to arrive to 169 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: save Harlan's life. Uh and the life saving drug and 170 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: a lock zone is missing. So Harlan decides to protect 171 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: Marta and her family. Her mother is an illegal immigrant, 172 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: and to do this, he decides he's going to slit 173 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: his own throat make it look like suicide. Marty protest, 174 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: but Harlan insist. He tells Marta exactly what to do 175 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: to rule herself out as a suspect, which Marta does 176 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: mostly successfully. Um. Marta makes it through the interview without 177 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: arousing suspicion, so we think, and a reminder, I don't 178 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: know if you did you mention that Harlan was a 179 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: mystery novelist. No I didn't. Yeah, he's a very productive, 180 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: wealthy mystery novelist. So this is why he has the 181 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: perfect plan for her to get away with Marda. Yes exactly. 182 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: So Blanc requests that Marta accompany him on his investition 183 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: because he trusts her kind heart and her insight, and 184 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: also because she can't lie um. And she realizes that 185 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: she leaves a few pieces of efforts behind mud surveillance 186 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: video Broken Trellis, which she attempts to hide to varying success. 187 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: And I do also love the dog in this movie 188 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: because it kind of tells on her essentially, and I 189 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: feel like that's what my dog would do as well. Peaches. 190 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: I think I'll do the same to me. Oh yeah, 191 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,119 Speaker 1: Peaches would I love to like jump. The smash focuses 192 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: on the dog's face as if the dog is like before, 193 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, involved or something. I love this. They too. 194 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: All of this, The family all gathers for the reading 195 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: of the will and the big revel Harlan has kept 196 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: them all out and has left everything, house, money, publishing 197 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: company to Martha bum bum bomb um, and immediately most 198 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: of the family completely turns on her, accusing her of 199 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: having sex with Arlen or being a bit yeah yeah. 200 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: And this is after I mean, they've multi time said 201 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: you're a part of the family. You're a part of 202 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: the family. We're going to take care of you. Immediately 203 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: turns on her that they kept saying, we wanted to 204 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: invite you to the funeral, but you know, I was 205 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: voted out each and every single one of them. Every 206 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: single one of them said it, and you know that 207 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: they definitely probably didn't even think of her like later. 208 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Um. So, Marta is literally kind of being 209 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: chased out of the house and she escapes with Ransom, 210 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: the black Sheep grandson played by Chris Evans, and she 211 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: tells Ransom everything she tells him the truth. He agrees 212 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: to help her on the condition that he gets his 213 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: share of the inheritance. The rest of the family, including Meg, 214 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Harlan's young feminist granddaughter, resort to various methods to convince 215 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: Marta to renounce the inheritance, and Meg and Marta were 216 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: probably the closest in this family outside of Harlan. Um. 217 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: Marta is blackmailed by a mysterious source, and on our 218 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: way to meet the blackmail or, there's a car chase 219 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: explosion at the medical lab that was analyzing Harlan's blood. 220 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: Um Ransom is arrested and uh, he's implicated by the 221 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: story of Harlan's mother, who yes, is alive. Yeah, and 222 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: she some evidence she provided pointed the finger at Ransom. 223 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Marta goes to meet the blackmailer, only to discover it 224 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: is the housekeeper, Fran, who has MARTA's missing medical bag, 225 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: and Fran has also overdosed and Fransom the key to 226 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: this as well. She's kind of the background character you 227 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: don't think about until she reappeared. You're like, oh, there 228 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: you are, um, and I do love that. Ransom actually 229 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: tricks her into TELEI with like overfeeding her food that 230 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: was gonna make her sick if she tries to lie 231 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: like it would be really bad. Yeah. It was a 232 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: bowl of like beans and sauces. It's gonna be gross. 233 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be real cross. Um. So unable to let 234 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: Fran die, Marta called an ambulance and confesses everything to 235 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Block So she insists she tells is the family before 236 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: she's arrested, and the slayer role a law that requires 237 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: anyone involved, even accidentally in the murder of someone that 238 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: left something to them cannot receive the inheritance, so she 239 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: would have to return the inheritance to the family. Um. 240 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: Before she can do this, she realizes that fran who 241 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: had the backup blood toxicology, she knew where she put it, 242 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: so Um she hands it too blank after finding it, 243 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: and just as she's about to confess, Blanc stops her, 244 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: telling off the family for their awful behavior towards Marta 245 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: and informs them he's officially ruling the case as suicide 246 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: and the case is closed. So that is one of 247 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: my favorite lines in the movie is so he says 248 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: the case is closed, and he says it so dramatically, 249 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: and then he like storms out, I love that so much, 250 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: and I say it in conversation. A lot people look 251 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: at me, like, what are you're doing? Knives out come on. UM. 252 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: So very confused Marta and equally confused police detectives listen 253 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: as Blanc unravels the old story. This is the like, oh, 254 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: here come, I'm going to tell you how it all 255 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: played out. Part of these who done its Um, revealing 256 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: that Ransom, who he had brought into the room, was 257 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: behind the whole thing and did intend to murder Harlan 258 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: and frame Marta after he found out that Harlan was 259 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: cutting them all out. Of the will and leaving everything 260 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: to Marta Um by switching the labels on the medication 261 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: that she gave him every night. However, because Marta is 262 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: a good nurse, she naturally switched them back due to 263 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the slight differences in weight and viscosity, meaning Harlan was 264 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: totally fine when he cut his own throat. His blood 265 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: talk report came back totally normal. Um. Ransom was also 266 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: behind the explosion at the medical center to get rid 267 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: of the blood sample Franz deadly injection and the mysterious 268 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: client he was. He was the client that contacted Blanc 269 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: in the first place. Marta lies to him and gets 270 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: him to confess to Frans murder. Then she pukes all 271 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: over his face. It's really gross, uh. And then Ransom 272 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: tries to kill her with a knife, but turns out 273 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: the knife is a fake. He can't tell the difference 274 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: between a real knife and a prop, just as Harlan 275 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: said in the very beginning, and Ransom is arrested. Linda, 276 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: who is played by Jamie Lee Curtis, realizes her husband 277 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: is cheating on her uh, and the family stands outside 278 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: and watches murder on the balcony, drinking from a mug 279 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: that says my house as she looks down on them, right, 280 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: I think, Uh. One of my favorite parts of that 281 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: is because at the very beginning scene when Harlan is 282 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: discovered dead, that munth is the thing that you concentrate on, 283 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: but they pop us in on that. But now she 284 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: has that bug, as well as the fact that the 285 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: note that is given to Linda her she always talked 286 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: about how her and her dad had a special way 287 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: of communicating and no one knew what that was. And 288 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: the whole reason that Don Johnson's motive from murder was 289 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: that he was going to tell on him for cheating. Yeah, 290 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: and then he saw him having a note and when 291 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: he looked at it, it it was blank, so he didn't 292 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: worry about it. It turns out it was invisible link. 293 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: I love it so much. Those are such great payoffs. 294 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: That's one of the best payoffs I've ever seen of 295 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: like the mug beginning in the end, because you're not 296 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: expecting it, but then we see you're like, yes, there 297 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: it is. So that's the plots um, which is kind 298 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: of it's tricky to describe a plot of a murder 299 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: mystery movie. I've got to say it's a lot of 300 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: moving pieces. Um, but we do want to talk about 301 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: some themes. But first we're gonna pause for a quickick 302 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored. 303 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: So one of the biggest themes throughout this is immigration 304 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: and the idea of the American dream, the self made 305 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: person um and a good who done it relies on 306 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: the audiences prejudices. Um. The fun of of these stories 307 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: is largely in playing with or against type, and that's 308 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: how you can keep people guessing throughout. So there's this 309 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: running joke in the movie that the family appreciate smartest 310 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: hard work, but they can't remember the countries she's from. 311 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: They frequently get it wrong. Nobody says the same country. 312 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: Um uh. They always say yeah, that she's one of 313 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: the family, that they'll take care of her, even though 314 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: they didn't invite her to the funeral. Um, you can 315 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: count on us, Walt says when he says they want 316 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: to take care of her financially, which all completely reverses 317 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: when she gets the inheritance. When she is the one 318 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: in power. She even says to Meg, I'm gonna take 319 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: care of you. I'll take care of you and that's 320 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: not enough. Um. And I've had this discussion with friends before. 321 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: Do you think they would have taken care of her financially? Well? No, obviously, 322 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: when they found out she was getting this inheritance, they 323 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: threatened to deport them. They purposely used that, So you've 324 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: got to understand it. They were going to that level 325 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: that automatically they see are as a non person, and 326 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: she would have been forgotten, just as she was forgotten 327 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: during the funeral. Yeah, I think they might have started 328 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: giving her something, but it would have been like almost 329 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: really small and if she if she did anything they 330 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: didn't like, or they eventually kind of stopped doing it, 331 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: like what is she going to do? You know? Yeah? 332 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: And if yeah, I don't, I don't know who would like. 333 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: If you look at the individual characters, I don't think 334 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: any of them actually would because they were all kind 335 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: of financially dumb in themselves. Yeah, so I don't think 336 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: they would. Um. And then, of course, and we wanted 337 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: to talk about Knives Out as a feminist movie, not 338 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: because of the director obviously or the writer, but because 339 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: there's a lot of implications as we talked about female 340 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: roles in a household. And then we talk about privilege 341 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: and all of that. So it just kind of like culminated, well, 342 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: we could talk about this within this movie, and that 343 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: within this movie, and and a part of that conversation 344 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: is how she is known as the Help and just 345 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: kind of like how you said they couldn't remember what 346 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: country she is from. This is that connotation of mother ring, 347 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: oh she's not from here, she's a foreigner or whatever. 348 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: And that's that same level of disproportionate idealism in this 349 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: whole narrative um and throughout the film, the family and 350 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: various others refer to Marta as the Help. And it's 351 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: interesting to see that because Fran, who is not a 352 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: woman of color, is known as Fran, right, And I 353 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: mean it's one of the very first things they all 354 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: say about her when they say, Oh, Marta, she's from equaitor. 355 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Oh Marta, she's from like that that is the thing 356 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: they say. And then I was also thinking about I 357 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: think they do that because they think that makes them 358 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: look like they're woke or something like, see where you know, 359 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: we were nice to this person from another country, right, 360 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a whole thing in a reminder, 361 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: she's a nurse, she's not even a part of the staff. 362 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: She is paid as a professional to come and be 363 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: a caretaker for him. And again, even though fran is 364 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: an actual housekeeper, she's an employee of the household, she's 365 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: still referred as Fran um. And this is not only 366 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: a commentary on how we view immigrations and immigrants women 367 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: and people doing essential work, but also a way to 368 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: subvert the classic murder mystery troupe the butler or the 369 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: maid or the help did it um, which again still 370 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: makes me laugh because she is not any of those things. Um. 371 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: And when Martha walks through the hair salon as if 372 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: she's invisible, I don't know what you were talking about 373 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: that one. So remember when she goes um to pick 374 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: up the for the black man, she walks into that 375 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: hair salon and she's not there, like, she just walks 376 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: so confidently past them, and they don't look at her. 377 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: Nobody looks at her second like second glance, right, um. 378 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: And she's doing that so Blanc won't know where she 379 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: went in, so she can go out of the back 380 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: insurance and come into the other way. But which I say, 381 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: I get the commentary. But also Anna da Armis is 382 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful women in the world, and 383 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: I can't imagine people ignoring her. So I also have 384 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: a hard time with that because beauty in itself and 385 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: her being light skin as well, I think it's an advantage. 386 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: So I don't completely I'm like, you needed a different 387 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: type of woman. But she's a great actors. She does 388 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: a great job. But I'm just saying it's kind of 389 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: like when you have Scott Johanson being penned as you know, 390 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: a common you know, uh, smarty girl, and you're like, mmm, 391 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: that's not how that would go. But also it's turning 392 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: marginalized books against each other Martha and France, which actually 393 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: wasn't the narrative, but that's what you think in the 394 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: whole of the movie, that's what they're Ransom is trying 395 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: to do right, right, but he does not succeed because 396 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to play to make a beautiful pattern. 397 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: That meaning that Marta is a nice, good person who's 398 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: not going to let someone die so you can get money, 399 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: as opposed to Ransom. Um, and yeah, Ransom is an 400 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: ass to to both of them. But yeah, he's not 401 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: nice to fran either. I mean, clearly he tried to 402 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: kill her. He did kill No, he didn't kill one, 403 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: No he did. Oh he did kill her. Yeah, yeah, 404 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: he did come she lied. Um, so let's talk about 405 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: that mug for a second. That my house, because that 406 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: that's also something running throughout this is this idea of um, 407 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: their ancestral home, which I say in heavy quotes, and 408 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: I definitely read it as a metaphor for the United States. Um. 409 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: When Ransom goes on his angry, entitled, self righteous speech 410 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: about their ancestral home, Blanc laughs allowed right at him, 411 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: reminding him that Harlan purchased the house in the eighties. 412 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: All of this is similar to America's history of colonization 413 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: at large and the selective memory around it. The whole 414 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: idea of American exceptionalism is wrapped up in there too, 415 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: of this this is our ancestral home and you'll never 416 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: take it, and it's you're like, but you got it 417 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: in the eighties, right, which is a big commentary as 418 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: we speak about who has the rights to this country 419 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: and the lands and such as and the profiting and 420 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: all of that. So that's really timely of course, UM, 421 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: and the stories we tell ourselves, the memory shifting depending 422 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: on how on who is telling the story. It is 423 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: pretty funny because you have uh, Tony Collet's character talking 424 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: about how wonderful wr relationship was with him and now 425 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: everything was perfect in her business is perfect and her 426 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: child is perfect. Um. And that they are deserving of 427 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: their wealth because they worked hard, uh, which is not 428 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: true at all. Ones like failing in the business. The 429 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: other one is she's doing okay. We don't quite know, 430 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: but it was. I think she's the only one that 431 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: actually had some claims. Uh. Jamie Lee Curtis's character only 432 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: had a little bit of claim of actually putting things 433 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: together as opposed to being handed something. But she did 434 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: get a million dollar loan, right, which is good business. 435 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: We've heard many argue that that is not that much apparently, 436 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: and you know it's still scrape scraping. Please give it 437 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: my way then if it's not no big deal to you, 438 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: I'll take it um uh. And then of course the 439 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: constantly they constantly described Martha as a hard worker, which yes, 440 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: is really passive aggressive speak of she is lower class. 441 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: But of course just because she's a hard worker doesn't 442 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: mean she deserves our fortune. It's theirs they is there, right, Yeah? 443 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's such hypocrites of course, because you know 444 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: they say, well, we builds our business from the ground 445 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: up or whatever it is, so we deserve this. But 446 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: when she's a hard worker, as in their own words, 447 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: but when she gets the fortune that they essentially the 448 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: same thing Harlan handed them money that they totally reverse 449 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no, wait, she must have 450 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: done something dirty you get this money, exactly exactly. And 451 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: I do think that the casting of Captain America as 452 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: the villain was really interesting because there is this commentary 453 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: around America's history, um, and having him I don't know, 454 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if they did it on purpose or not. 455 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: I imagine that they did, but having him be this 456 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: entitled just asked, who thinks he the world owes him something? 457 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: Who's never worked? They say in the movie, he's the 458 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: only one that's actually never even trying to really work, um, 459 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: and just thinks he's deserving of this money and is 460 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: willing to do these horrible things and think nothing of 461 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: it and in fact kind of be proud of it, 462 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: of like I can do this and get away with 463 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: it because I have a good lawyer and I have money. Um, 464 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: it's his his real colors at the end and then 465 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: get getting vomited all over. Right, Um, But I don't think. 466 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't think he thinks that he deserves it. I 467 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: think he just wants it. That that's the difference between 468 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: him and the rest of the family, which why they 469 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: hate each other. They all put on pretense and he 470 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: does not. He's just like, no, I'm I'm his grandson. 471 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: Of course I deserve it. It's the family. I've had 472 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: to deal with your the family. That's what it's just. 473 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: It is as is, this is how it's supposed to be. 474 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: Let me get it. And I don't think And of 475 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: course he's probably worked harder at this and he hasn't 476 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: anything else in his life, but he's he's willing to 477 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: go there. But also he's willing to mock the fact 478 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: that he doesn't care about any of the rest of 479 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: them because they are too fake. Like I think I 480 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: think he does a little more open face, like he's 481 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: definitely manipulative and does all these stinky things in the 482 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: background of getting the money. But he's the one that's 483 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: the loudest about like, no, we did this is not incestral. 484 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: He's not you know, like He's like, you're not a 485 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: good person. You're not a good person. I know what 486 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: you did. Like he laughed at the phase of everybody 487 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: trying to justify why they should have the money, but 488 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: he and he doesn't justify. He's just like, no, it's 489 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: mine in the story. So I think it's the more 490 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: like Stark difference between him and the family in that 491 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: way once pretense of one doesn't care. Yeah, I mean 492 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: it is interesting. I think that's the whole reason it 493 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: worked for me, but that I didn't guess it was 494 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: him because I did believe he would totally be like, yeah, 495 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm taking my my cut and they're not. And I 496 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: was actually kind of surprised that he was determined to 497 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: get it back for them. But whatever. Um, And I 498 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: was thinking about this. I have been thinking about this 499 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: for a long time, this iconifying of this type of character, 500 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: of this jerk. And I feel like Tony Stark is 501 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: a great example. I know that might make some people mad, 502 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: but I feel like people like him because he's kind 503 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: of a jerk. Um, and I mean he's oh good guy. Um. 504 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts about Tony Stark, but anyway, 505 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: I do feel like we've built this character, especially in 506 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: the United States, that is this dude who's kind of 507 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: mean and we love him for it because he's being 508 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: himself and that kind of translates into our politics now. Yeah, 509 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: So I've been thinking about that a lot, like maybe 510 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: we should come back and do the whole thing on that, right. Um. 511 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: And speaking of politics the family in itself, as we 512 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: enter the holidays, I think we can all kind of 513 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: appreciate the landmines we have when it comes to politics. 514 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I think that's big key in most of our conversation 515 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: is about dreading going home if there's a political difference, 516 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: especially Um. Yeah. I think one of the biggest things 517 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: I thought was it was way too perfect was the 518 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: blonde housewife who has not spoken throughout, but then the 519 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: one thing she wants to shout out about is about 520 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: the immigrations and then coming here illegally and taking over 521 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: the country, which I've had more and more incidents with 522 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: white women, and I'm like what, And it was almost 523 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: too perfect to see her lose it. And of course 524 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: it is played by a comedian, and so she delivers 525 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: it so perfectly, like the rage, the faux rage. Yeah, 526 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: And I love how she she has that moment like 527 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: she's worked herself up, and then she immediately kind of 528 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: folds and then awkwardly walks away. UM. Yeah, I mean 529 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us can. Really they're having this fight, 530 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: and even Don Johnson's character says, you know, I don't 531 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: like him. He's an assole. Maybe that's what we needed. 532 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: So there's the thing we were just talking about right there. 533 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: And and like you said earlier, Um, as they're conducting 534 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: these interviews about this party eighty five birthday party, depending 535 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: on the character, they remember things differently, like they remember 536 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: who was by Harlan when the cake was there differently, 537 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: And they all have this memory of like beckoning Marta over, 538 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: like smiling warmly. She's one of the family. And this 539 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: is the part where you find out, Oh, they were 540 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: calling her over to ask her about like doing it right, 541 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: immigrating correctly, and using her basically as a prop in 542 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: their political argument, which I find is the number one 543 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 1: defense in people, where like, you know, I have friends, 544 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: I have friends who are not from this country and 545 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: they did it right, And you said, they're looking at 546 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: them like what's right. I don't know what. Um. And 547 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: then also just try to use her as a prop 548 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: in general. It's like handing her a plate as though 549 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: that's her job. Again, she's at nurse, she is a nurse. Oh, 550 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: and he does it so casually to like, here's my plate. 551 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that whole scene that was the tensest in 552 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: the movie theater when I was in the small town 553 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: a lot, because they've had this moment yep, exactly. Um. 554 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: Something else we wanted to talk about is the dismissal 555 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: of Nana Great Nana. So she is Harlan's mother, and 556 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: she is quite old, and she's regularly just dismissed, like 557 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: completely dismissed, um, even though it turns out she is 558 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: the key witness um, or at least one of the 559 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: key witnesses. Because of that um, none of the family 560 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: even offered their condolences to her after her son's death. UM. 561 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: So she shares what she knows with Blanc, who didn't 562 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: dismiss what she had to say and was kind to her, 563 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: sat with her and it turned out to be very 564 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: important to him figuring out the whole thing. And in fact, 565 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: she gives a rather a demonic chuckle that I love 566 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: when uh block is like MARTA's keeping the inheritance, the 567 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: case is closed and she kind of laughs. I love that. Yeah, 568 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: And I think this is one of those moments where 569 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: you when I talked about women ourselves so dismissed anyway, 570 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: but then when age comes into play and how little 571 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: they're regarded, especially in American culture versus other cultures. Um, 572 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: and here she is definitely a side figure and then 573 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: dismissed because she is elderly quote like, and then the 574 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: idea that she must not be in her right mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 575 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: um oh geez. I love her too, and I do 576 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: love that there are several generations of women in this movie. Um, 577 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: MARTA's family. You've got her sister and her mom who 578 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: I also love them too. Um. And then within you've 579 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: just got all these generations, which is unfortunately still kind 580 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: of rare, but it was nice to see. Well, we 581 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: do have some more for you listeners, but first we 582 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: have one more QUI break for word from our sponsors, 583 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsored. Uh yeah, and we 584 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about which is one of my favorite 585 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: I love Tony Colette almost in everything. Just to put 586 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: that out there's I'm a huge fan, but her character 587 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: who was Joanie. Yeah, and her whole like self help 588 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: I love, and of course they had to make digs 589 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: and whether it's a bad thing or a good thing, 590 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: whether you believe in it, all of these things. But 591 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: she does have that flam, the negative flam, which again 592 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: reflects Gwyneth Paltrow's goop, And I know there's a lot 593 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: of commentary happening about that. And there's also the whole 594 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Instagram influencer aspect to her as well as her like 595 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: very uh centering and and then listening of the around 596 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: kind of new age we're not thinking. But her caricature 597 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: of it is kind of delightful, especially when she does 598 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: it as a obvious money making scheme rather than and 599 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: that's something that she actually believes in. Yeah, I mean 600 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: she feels very I mean it's making fun of the 601 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: very specific I think entitled white Lady aspect of this 602 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: of her just kind of brazenly saying these things that 603 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: you're you don't think she really believes that she's trying 604 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: to make money off of it. Um, apparently she's not 605 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: that great at it. That's the other part exactly, because 606 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: she has been stealing from Harlan uh dollars a year 607 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: for four years. So yeah, she's not very good. I 608 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: do love the scene where she's like saying that, oh, 609 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: they're my family, they support me. I'm silent multaneously held 610 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: and supported by them, or she's like dancing on Jamie 611 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: League Curtis. Curtis is like, no, not having one. And 612 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: I do also love that this whole good feel and 613 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: we're going to do these things and and trying to 614 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: be I'm fine, everything's fine. We're all lovely family. The 615 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: way she gets her daughter, who was the supposed woke girl, 616 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: is by saying, hey, I lifestyle is about to go away. 617 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 1: The school that you like so much, You're not gonna 618 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: be able to go there. And so because they go 619 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: into the selfish motivations, it is able to take the 620 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: one ally. Yeah, And I did want to throw in 621 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: a line before we move on from Joni's whole self 622 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: help thing is there is a part in the movie 623 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: where right before the Will has read, the entire family 624 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 1: thinks that only Ransom has been cut out, and they're 625 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: all kind of like, oh, this is gonna be good 626 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: for you. Uh, And she says in the most like 627 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: overly sincere voice, nothing good is ever easy, and you know, 628 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: like immediately when she's the one that's looking at not 629 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: having any money, never mind, those words go out the window. 630 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's a part of the whole 631 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: thing too, is they just clearly have been telling themselves 632 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: that they worked so hard. It wasn't easy for them, right, 633 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: but it it was. It was so we did want 634 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: to talk about performative activism. So, like you said, Meg 635 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: h is Joni's daughter, um is MARTA's one ally in 636 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: pretty heavy quotes in this family after Harlem has died, 637 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: um And she's described as the crypto pseudo Marxist, post 638 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: deconstructural feminist by Jamie Lee Curtis's character um And she's 639 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: always aggressively defending Marta, whether Marta wants her to or not. 640 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: But also, yeah, turns her back on her under pressure 641 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: from her family and at the revelation that her schooling 642 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: and her lifestyle will go away without the inheritance. And 643 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: again this is We've had a lot of conversations around this. 644 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: So this idea of performed of activism, of doing the 645 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: social media post and kind of nothing else, and that, 646 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's kind of diluting the issue more 647 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: it's more that like you're only doing it for one 648 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: specific reason to look or performed this one way. Um. 649 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: And it's easy to do when you're well off and 650 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: you're not exactly exactly when when there's nothing that you 651 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: have to give up really to do it right. Yeah. Um. 652 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 1: Then on the other side, you have the quote literal Nazi, 653 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: who's played by Jaden Martell and I believe was cast 654 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: because he looks a lot alike one of the pictures 655 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: of the tiki torch protesters. I think I read that somewhere. Um. 656 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: But he's he's like the young teenage troll. Um. And 657 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: some people think that this character is a direct critique 658 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: on the backlash Ryan ran Johnson got from angry trolls 659 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: after the last Jedi the Star Wars movie he directed 660 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: that fanboys largely hated Um. I mean, I I bet 661 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: that's true, but I bet it's also a critique just 662 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: on this very specific troll internet person in general. Right. 663 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: I think it also comes to the fact that this 664 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: large family has a lot of divisiveness within it, and 665 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: you have all of these very different characters that have 666 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: to represent all of what he sees in society. And 667 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: I think that's what it is too. Yeah, I mean 668 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: it is if you're going to really run with this, 669 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: this movie is sort of a metaphor for America. Then 670 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: you do have all these aspects of like wealth gone 671 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: wrong or what it could look like, and uh, you 672 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: see them play out and and all these various aspects 673 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: that we recognize, we we like know this, I mean 674 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: with with Paltrow, I mean, you know you can make 675 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: correlations between these characters and things we see in society. 676 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: And then I did want to talk about, lastly, this 677 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: whole uh aspect of kindness that's at the heart of 678 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: this movie at the donut hole, if you will, Um, 679 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: I heard a lot of people describing this movie as 680 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: who done it with kindness at its heart and being genuine. 681 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: Marta says at the very beginning, I'm not playing to 682 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: beat you. I'm playing to create a beautiful pattern when 683 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: her and Harlan are playing go, which I've never heard of. 684 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: But and that all comes back at the end when 685 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: Blanc is having his big like reveal and he says, 686 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: you know you, she beat you by not playing your 687 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: game out waiting you once again, which I love. I 688 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: also wonder because you have to I love Christopher Plummer 689 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: in this movie, and I've seen them in quite a 690 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: few things, and um, there's a little bit of I 691 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: feel like he is trying to correct the mistakes that 692 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: he made with his children through Martha as well. And 693 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: so that's a big question too about his kindness, like 694 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: what is the motivation. It's not necessarily just giving. It's 695 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: definitely uh reciprocity for his own children. Um. And again, 696 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: this movie also subverts the tradition all who done it 697 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: because at the heart of it is this young, sweet girl, Martha, 698 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: the only suspect who was truly a good kind person. 699 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: But it also happens to be the parent murderer Roops. 700 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: So that we we the audience, which happens a lot. 701 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: It's been a good chuck of this movie hoping she 702 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: doesn't get caught or hoping for a better revelation at 703 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: the end. For sure. Yeah. Oh, I mean that was 704 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: the great part because I think in the first you know, 705 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, you know she did it right, And that's 706 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: the biggest shock of the movie to me that they 707 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: told you immediately she didn't. Yeah, and you're like, oh no, please, 708 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't want her to get caught. And that's what 709 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: made it so different from a lot of other murder 710 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: mysteries I've seen. I don't know that I've ever seen 711 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: one where I was so actively like, please don't figure 712 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: it out, um, And I didn't want to put in here. 713 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: I found one article that criticized the narrative of the 714 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: good immigrant in this, but I think it's more of 715 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: a criticism of that narrative around doing things the right way. Um, immigrants, 716 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: they get the job done, which is a line that 717 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: Don Johnson says in the movie. He says it not 718 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: to the black detective he's talking to, but to the 719 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: white detective kind of in the back, and a lot 720 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: of people have compared that to the get outline. I 721 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: would have voted for Obama third time if um. But yeah, 722 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: so this like immigrants get the job done, but you 723 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: don't have to do that. Uh. And then, as we've said, 724 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: this is the importance of hard work when you inherited 725 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot of money and benefit from society's prejudices. Um. 726 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: And that that they believe they've earned from the ground up, 727 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: they built from the ground up, which they haven't um. 728 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: And the American dream at large, as in it's all 729 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: well and good. When it's working are perceived to be 730 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: working for you, then you succeeded in the American dream. Um. 731 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: Almost all the family have been cheating the system. They've 732 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: been stealing or mooching off of Harlan things that they 733 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: would flip against. These are the arguments that they would 734 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: use against immigrants, and that we do here against immigrants 735 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: who are actually not doing that. They're not motion and 736 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: they're not stealing. But these this privileged white family is right. Yeah, 737 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: But I do think more representation always, um, because you know, 738 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: if we had that, I'm not sure we would be 739 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: having this conversation right now. Um. Yeah, I think there's 740 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: a whole big conversation to the metaphor the idea that 741 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: the patriarch um is giving away his money to someone 742 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: who again two in their mind, didn't didn't earn it, right, Um, 743 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: Which is that same claim that that's what assistance and 744 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: welfare is giving money to people who don't deserve it 745 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: because they don't want to work for it, which is 746 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: a whole lot of b s in itself, which we 747 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: know it's not true and it's god as been official 748 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: as people want to make it out to be. UM. 749 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: And with that it is the weaponizing of empathy. They're 750 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: always trying to convince her of what Harlan wanted, which 751 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: we see that today. We see that today the election 752 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: and being told repeally be kind to Republicans are having 753 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: a hard time. But at the same time, we're seeing 754 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: all of these threats to workers and not being told 755 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: to be kind of the workers who are who are 756 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: trying to make sure things are working in place. Yeah, 757 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: they do this despite the will and what she knew 758 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: he wanted, as well as the fact that she didn't 759 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: ask for it. She didn't want it. She was actually 760 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: very confused too, and more concerned about whether or not 761 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: she killed the man. Yeah. Yeah, that really stuck out 762 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: with me when I rewatched this last night. How many 763 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: times here, Like, you know, it's what he would have wanted, 764 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: but he wrote down what he wanted right, um, and 765 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: just trying to really prey on her empathy. Yeah, and 766 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: I did. I went into a hole. Messy. Soliloquy is 767 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: not the right word. But I was writing about the 768 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: American Dream last night and I deleted it from the outline. 769 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,240 Speaker 1: But I was trying to work out my my thoughts 770 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: on just how it can be turned against people, and 771 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: we've we've talked about that briefly in other episodes and 772 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: just how there's such this, this story and this a 773 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of people really believe it that if I work 774 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 1: hard enough, I will get there. But we know that 775 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: that's not always true. There's all these obstacles and system 776 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: systems in place that really systemically hold people back. Um, 777 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: you can work so hard and barely be making it, 778 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: barely be able to survive in this country. So I 779 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: deleted it because it was a bit as a bit 780 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: of a mess. But when you go that that deep 781 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: in the idea of the American dream, you can't do 782 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: it and do sentences a being. I think there's a 783 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: lot to be said that the American dream has changed 784 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: over the course of time, and therefore the American dream 785 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 1: is not a dream, but several concepts that have fallen 786 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: apart and the giant be remade. So there's a lot 787 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: of he said um about that in itself. And also 788 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: especially when we look at who is the one that's 789 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: saying that they deserved this, who is the one that 790 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: can actually have the claim of well, you deserve it 791 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: and you don't. And that's the whole conversation in itself. Yeah, yeah, 792 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: I think I was trying to get to the bottom 793 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: of in my own mind, is just how it has 794 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: been also weaponized, um in a very particular way to 795 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: make people feel guilty that they're not succeeding, not even 796 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: though they're working so hard. Anyway, I remember when you 797 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: first suggested this, Samantha was like, I don't know, we'll 798 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: have enough to say about knives out when it comes 799 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: to feminism, but here we are. I told you there's 800 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: such good characters. Not all were dug into all of them. 801 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: We definitely went in and out as much as we could. 802 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: But if you look at the individual characters, I think 803 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: they were written really well, played out really well. Um. 804 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm looking forward to the second one as well, 805 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: which I can't imagine how that's gonna go so me either. 806 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: That's a lot to live up to. Um. But yes, 807 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: that brings us to the end of this very special 808 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: feminist movie Wednesday. UM, we would love to know what 809 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: you're streaming, what your suggestions are for our next our 810 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: next feminist movie Friday or Wednesday. We'll see how it 811 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: all plays out, and you can send those suggestions to 812 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: Stuff Media Mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You 813 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: can also find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast 814 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at Stuff I Ever Told You. Thanks 815 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard. 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