WEBVTT - 'Down With the Coal Barons!': When the Red Neck Army Went to War

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radio. One hundred and one years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times reported quote fighting continues in mountains

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<v Speaker 1>as federal troops reached Mingo planes reported bombing miners in

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<v Speaker 1>the conflict between the West Virginia coal miners and the

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<v Speaker 1>coal mining companies escalated to violence not seen in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States since the Civil War, and it resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple charges of treason. Welcome to Criminalia, I'm Maria Tru Marquis,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Holly Fry. In the United States, the Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Day holiday pays tribute to the contributions and achievements of

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<v Speaker 1>American workers, and it's traditionally observed on the first Monday

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<v Speaker 1>in September. It's been a federal holiday since four In

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia, and Uptember of one, Labor Day was not

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<v Speaker 1>spent at the grill as many Americans might now traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>spend that day. It was spent fighting for the rights

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<v Speaker 1>of miners in coal country. Long standing grievances between coal

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<v Speaker 1>miners and their employers culminated just around Labor Day weekend

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<v Speaker 1>that year, in an event that became known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Battle of Blair Mountain. By its end, hundreds of miners

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<v Speaker 1>and union sympathizers were charged, some with murder, some with conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few with treason. We're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the nineteen twenties, but we're gonna go back just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more on the timeline for some background. First,

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<v Speaker 1>beginning in the late eighteen hundreds, the coal fields in

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<v Speaker 1>three of West Virginia's counties, Mingo, Logan, and McDowell Counties

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<v Speaker 1>operated under a company town system. A company town is

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<v Speaker 1>a place where all your needs are taken care of

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<v Speaker 1>by the company you work for, At least in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>being a miner meant you lived in a company town.

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<v Speaker 1>You lived in a company owned house, You bought all

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<v Speaker 1>your food and supplies at the company store. You sent

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<v Speaker 1>your kids to the company school. You read the company

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<v Speaker 1>used paper, obeyed the company employed police. Your pay was

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<v Speaker 1>docked for the costs of your housing, medical care, and

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<v Speaker 1>tools you used for your job. In the minds, you

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<v Speaker 1>get what's going on here, I'm sure. And because the

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<v Speaker 1>mining companies controlled essentially every single aspect of your life,

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<v Speaker 1>they could do whatever they wanted to with it, pay

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<v Speaker 1>you low wages. They sure did, and they paid those

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<v Speaker 1>wages in something called script, which was a company tender,

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<v Speaker 1>a substitute for government issued legal currency. That's right, miners

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<v Speaker 1>weren't actually paid in actual US dollars. It's not hard

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<v Speaker 1>to see through this description how mining companies and company

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<v Speaker 1>towns really trapped miners and their families in a cycle

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<v Speaker 1>inescapable poverty. Mining as a way to make a living

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<v Speaker 1>was also in itself just really dangerous. At the turn

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century, Fatal on site accidents such as

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<v Speaker 1>roof collapses, explosions, and fires were frequent, and then health

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<v Speaker 1>problems such as black lung disease, which occurs when coal

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<v Speaker 1>dust is inhaled, claimed miners as well as their families.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind safety laws in West Virginia were the weakest in

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<v Speaker 1>the country at the time, and the laws that did

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<v Speaker 1>exist had few, if any provisions to ensure their enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about these mines. Conditions in the mines were deplorable.

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<v Speaker 1>The United Mine Workers of America wanted larger representation and

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<v Speaker 1>union membership in that region of West Virginia. The union

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<v Speaker 1>was founded in January through the merger of two preceding groups,

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<v Speaker 1>The Nights of Labor Trade Assembly Number and the National

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<v Speaker 1>Progressive Miners Union. It was modeled after the American Federation

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<v Speaker 1>of Labor and was the culmination of decades of effort.

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<v Speaker 1>The mine operators had long kept all unions out of

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<v Speaker 1>this region, and not just by politely refusing their requests.

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<v Speaker 1>They used intimidation and violence to get their way. It

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<v Speaker 1>was commonplace for a company to pressure their employees to

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<v Speaker 1>sign what was known as a yellow dog contract, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a pledge that the employee would not organize. Coal

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<v Speaker 1>mining companies in Mingo County, West Virginia and the surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>region reacted to the union by hiring only non union workers.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, they strictly enforced the line item

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<v Speaker 1>in their employment contracts that included union membership as grounds

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<v Speaker 1>for immediate termination. Because miners lived in company towns, immediate

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<v Speaker 1>termination also meant immediate eviction from your home. The mining

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<v Speaker 1>companies employed private muscle hired from the Baldwin fell It's

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Agency to harass striking miners and their families and

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<v Speaker 1>to enforce their eviction from company owned homes. As a

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<v Speaker 1>miner living in a company town, you owned nothing. You

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing. The Battle of Blair Mountain didn't happen out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. In Pennsylvania, during the sixteen month Westmoreland County

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<v Speaker 1>coal strike of nineteen ten and nineteen eleven, sixteen people

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<v Speaker 1>were killed, all of them striking miners or members of

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<v Speaker 1>their families. After families had been evicted from company owned housing,

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<v Speaker 1>built a tent colony, and estimated twenty people, including women

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<v Speaker 1>and children, were killed because of it by local police,

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<v Speaker 1>hired guns, and Colorado National Guardsmen. During Colorado Coal Field

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<v Speaker 1>War of nineteen and nineteen fourteen, nine years before the

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<v Speaker 1>events at Blair Mountain, miners who were striking for greater

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<v Speaker 1>union recognition clashed with armed agents from Baldwin Felts who

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<v Speaker 1>had been hired by the mining companies to enforce those

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<v Speaker 1>company rules. They terrorized the town. The agents forced families

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<v Speaker 1>at gunpoint from their company owned homes. They drove through

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<v Speaker 1>a tent colony of evicted miners while spraying machine gun fire,

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<v Speaker 1>killing at least one person. In nine fourteen, those same

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin Felt's agents burned alive women and children in a

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<v Speaker 1>mining camp seller at Ludlow, Colorado, historian Lawn Savage described

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<v Speaker 1>the laborers as oppressed and angry and who could blame

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<v Speaker 1>them quote. They had been crushed and killed on their

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<v Speaker 1>jobs and fired from them when they tried to organize

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<v Speaker 1>a union. He wrote, they had been evicted from their

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<v Speaker 1>company homes and machine gunned in their union tents. Periodically.

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<v Speaker 1>They had risen in fury. There was a history of

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<v Speaker 1>violence against miners and their families, all of which contributed

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<v Speaker 1>to the Blair Mountain uprising. We're going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>break forward from our sponsor right now, and when we return,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to meet a man named Don Chapin, the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff of Logan County, West Virginia. Welcome back to Criminalia.

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<v Speaker 1>In nine, West Virginia coal miners began their march in

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<v Speaker 1>protest of working conditions and wages, and here is how

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<v Speaker 1>they found themselves at war in West Virginia. On May twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>men were killed during what's known as the mate Wan massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>The event galvanized support for the United Mine Workers, which

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<v Speaker 1>had started to organize miners in Mingo County that summer.

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<v Speaker 1>In response, the coal mining companies brought in non union

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<v Speaker 1>replacement workers, and over the next several months, the union

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<v Speaker 1>and the owners engaged in a fierce battle. Thirteen Baldwin

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<v Speaker 1>Felts agents arrived in the town of Maitland under order

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<v Speaker 1>by the coal mining companies to evict all families of

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<v Speaker 1>any striking miners from company owned housing. When Mate one,

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<v Speaker 1>mayor Cabal Testerman, caught wind of the plan, he, along

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<v Speaker 1>with the chief of police at Hatfield, confronted them near

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<v Speaker 1>the local train station. Upon their arrival, a heated argument

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<v Speaker 1>quickly escalated. Hatfield, a union sympathizer, attempted to arrest the

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<v Speaker 1>agents when suddenly a gunfight broke out between agents and miners.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Baldwin Felts men, two miners, and the mayor were

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<v Speaker 1>all killed during this fight. In less than a year,

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<v Speaker 1>in retaliation for the events of that day, Hatfield was

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<v Speaker 1>assassinated by Baldwin Felts men as he entered the McDowell

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<v Speaker 1>County courthouse, and that turned out to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the breaking points for the miners, wrote the Sheriff of

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<v Speaker 1>Mingo County in May of murder by laying in wait

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<v Speaker 1>and shooting from ambush has become common. The Blair Mountain

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<v Speaker 1>conflict was a result of decades of unrest and it

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<v Speaker 1>was part of what are called the Coal Wars, or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the Mind Wars. Which was a series of armed

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<v Speaker 1>labor disputes in the United States, mainly in Appalachia and

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<v Speaker 1>roughly between the years eighteen ninety and nineteen thirty. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the bloody, violent climax of these coal miner versus

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<v Speaker 1>coal company conflicts that took place in the early nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>During the Battle of Blair Mountain, ten thousand West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>coal miners marched in protest of perilous working conditions, squalid housing,

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<v Speaker 1>and low wages, among other grievances. Their march began in

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<v Speaker 1>the small town of Marmot with the intention of reaching

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<v Speaker 1>Mingo County a few days away to meet with the

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<v Speaker 1>coal companies and make their demands known. Ultimately, they planned

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<v Speaker 1>to free miners in Mingo County who had been arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and held in jail on charges for violating the martial

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<v Speaker 1>law that the governor had in posed on that county

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<v Speaker 1>because of similar unrest. To get to Mingo, though they

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<v Speaker 1>first had to cross through Logan County, the miners never

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<v Speaker 1>made it past the mountain. They did not reach their goal.

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<v Speaker 1>They found themselves battling Logan County Sheriff Don Chaffin's deputized

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<v Speaker 1>citizen Army of coal company supporters, commonly referred to by

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<v Speaker 1>the nickname the Czar of Logan. Chaffin was in the

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<v Speaker 1>pocket of the coal companies and received large amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>cash from coal mine operators to suppress unionization. He commanded

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<v Speaker 1>a citizen army in the Battle of Blair Mountain in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to squash union efforts. Chafen, let's say he's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting man. Most coal operators hired private security, such

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<v Speaker 1>as guards from the Baldwin Felts Detective Agency. Basically, they

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<v Speaker 1>hired thugs to do their negotiating for them. In Logan County,

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<v Speaker 1>though it was a little different, coal mine operators relied

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<v Speaker 1>on Sheriff Don Chafin and his deputies. Volunteers in Chaffin's

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<v Speaker 1>army included middle class teachers, shopkeepers, and generally other white

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<v Speaker 1>collar workers who feared the union and the miners. Chafan

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<v Speaker 1>earned a lot of money working for coal companies. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>during the Pink Creek Cabin Creek uprising of nineteen twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>he took in nearly three thousand dollars a month. Operators

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<v Speaker 1>paid him almost thirty eight thousand dollars for his and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to air quote this work as a county

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<v Speaker 1>clerk during the year nineteen nineteen. They had just spent

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<v Speaker 1>that money on helping their actual employees. It seems so easy,

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<v Speaker 1>No way. In August of one, union and union sympathizing

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<v Speaker 1>miners began to gather. They're planned first stop in Logan County,

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<v Speaker 1>it said, was at the very least to unseat Sheriff Chaffin,

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<v Speaker 1>So accounts suggests that they had more murderous plans. Chafan

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<v Speaker 1>just could not be avoided. The miners were going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to move through Logan County en route to their

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<v Speaker 1>destination and pass an anti union sheriff known for declaring quote,

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<v Speaker 1>no armed mob will cross the Logan County line. Chaffin's

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<v Speaker 1>makeshift army constructed a network of machine gun nests and

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<v Speaker 1>trenches around Blair Mountain, a two thousand foot peak that

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<v Speaker 1>stood directly in the miner's path. Led by union organizers

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Keeney and Fred Mooney, the miners made plans to

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<v Speaker 1>confront the coal companies. To quote minor and Baptist Reverend

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<v Speaker 1>John Wilburn, it is time to lay down the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>and take up the rifle. By August, the miners were

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<v Speaker 1>heading south towards Mingo County. During a meeting with the

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<v Speaker 1>War Departments General Harry Bandholtz, though Keeney and Mooney were

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<v Speaker 1>advised that any of my lance would prove disastrous for

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<v Speaker 1>both the Union and the miners, and the two men

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<v Speaker 1>tried to call off the march, but after two miners

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<v Speaker 1>died fighting with Chaffin's deputized forces, any idea of ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>talks ended. Four days later, on August, those ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miners had reached the border of Logan County and they

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<v Speaker 1>had begun exchanging gunfire with coal company supporters. Their makeshift

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<v Speaker 1>uniform was blue bib overalls and a red bandana tied

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<v Speaker 1>around their necks to distinguish friend from foe among themselves, that,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, is the origin of today's often used

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<v Speaker 1>in a derogatory manner term redneck. They wore them in

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity and they self named as the Redneck Army. There

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<v Speaker 1>was gunfire exchanged, but the first heavy fighting happened on

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<v Speaker 1>August thirty one, when a group of about seventy five miners,

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<v Speaker 1>led by Reverend Wilburn, happened upon a group of Chafen's

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<v Speaker 1>forces on a wooded ridge. Each side called to the

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<v Speaker 1>other for the password, and neither side answered correctly. The

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<v Speaker 1>ensuing shootout killed three deputies and one miner. That same day,

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<v Speaker 1>the miners began a two pronged assault on the area

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<v Speaker 1>Chafin was holding. Miners ran up the mountain side, but

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<v Speaker 1>were pushed back down with machine gun fire from higher ground.

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<v Speaker 1>So up and down, and up and down, until the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, when a detachment of miners with a gatling

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<v Speaker 1>gun they had looted from a company store drove an assault.

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<v Speaker 1>Chaffin's forces fought back with more machine gun fire. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>quote machine guns cracked up there, so you would think

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<v Speaker 1>the whole place was coming down on you, Miner Ira

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson later recalled. But after a few hours of heavy

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<v Speaker 1>fire the enemy machine gun jam the miners surged in,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were met with heavy machine gun fire from

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<v Speaker 1>another gunner positioned farther up the ridge. Chaffin's forces were

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<v Speaker 1>just ridiculou a less lee well armed. Not only were

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<v Speaker 1>they equipped with machine guns, he had also chartered three

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<v Speaker 1>private biplanes and equipped them with tear gas and pipe

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<v Speaker 1>bombs loaded with nuts and bolts as shrapnel. None of

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<v Speaker 1>this was financed by Chaffin. It was all supplied by

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<v Speaker 1>the Coal Operators Association. Chafin did order the planes to

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<v Speaker 1>drop those home made explosives over two of the miners strongholds,

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<v Speaker 1>but as far as we know, there were no casualties

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<v Speaker 1>from that particular assault. The Battle of Blair Mountain ended

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<v Speaker 1>with the arrival of the United States Army on September one.

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<v Speaker 1>President warrengey Harding ordered federal troops from Fort Thomas, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>to the scene. This really changed the outcome of this engagement.

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<v Speaker 1>The conflict ended when the military, represented by the West

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Army National Guard and led by McDowell County native

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<v Speaker 1>William Eubank's intervened by presidential order. Fourteen planes fully armed

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<v Speaker 1>for combat were dispatched to the state, but were used

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<v Speaker 1>for surveillance only. The infantry units began arriving the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>When faithd with fighting the United States Army that was

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<v Speaker 1>upwards of twenty seven thousand soldiers, many of the miners surrendered.

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<v Speaker 1>A small contingency continued fighting against Chaffin until September four,

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<v Speaker 1>but soon after all battle weary miners ended up surrendering

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<v Speaker 1>to US forces or just returned to their homes. There

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<v Speaker 1>were casualties. In total, between fifty and one hundred striking

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<v Speaker 1>miners were killed, plus many more were displaced by evictions

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<v Speaker 1>and violence. There's no full count here. Another nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty five were arrested. Between ten and thirty of

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Chaffin's local deputies were killed, Three soldiers in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Guard were killed, and it's estimated that nearly one

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<v Speaker 1>million rounds of ammunition had been fired. The Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>Blair Mountain was considered a tactical law enforcement slash military victory,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the eyes of the coal mining companies, Chaffin

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<v Speaker 1>emerged as a hero. Yeah a hero because in their eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>he stopped the union from entering and that then allowed

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<v Speaker 1>him to charge even higher fees for his services. Chaffin

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<v Speaker 1>remained sheriff until nineteen twenty four, so not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot longer, but his duties ended when he was charged

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<v Speaker 1>and convicted of illegally operating an establishment that sold liquor.

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia Governor Eli Morgan sought federal charges against all

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<v Speaker 1>miners who had surrendered to federal troops, but the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government declined to bring charges against them, and instead continued

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<v Speaker 1>its ongoing Senate investigation into the conditions of American coal mines.

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<v Speaker 1>Without those federal charges, the state of West Virginia decided

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<v Speaker 1>to prosecute the miners itself, and, beginning in ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>state indicted more than five hundred miners on charges that

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<v Speaker 1>included murder, conspiracy to commit murder, accessory to murder, and treason.

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<v Speaker 1>While there were multiple indictments, the charge that caught the

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<v Speaker 1>attention of pretty much everyone was that of treason. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to focus on the treason trial of a

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<v Speaker 1>man we haven't actually mentioned yet, union organizer, William H. Blizzard.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to take a break here for a

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<v Speaker 1>word from our sponsors, and when we return, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to know who Bill Blizzard was and why he became

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<v Speaker 1>the face of these treason trials. Welcome back to Criminalia.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the time West Virginia put an American

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<v Speaker 1>union organizer on trial for treason. Bill Blizzard was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Cabin Creek, West Virginia, on September nineteenth two, to

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<v Speaker 1>a family of immigrants from Ireland. He was a coal

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<v Speaker 1>miner by age ten and grew up to be an

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<v Speaker 1>American union organizer. Union work seemed to have been in

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<v Speaker 1>his blood. His mother, Mary Harris, was the legendary labor

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<v Speaker 1>organizer known as Mother Jones, who was once labeled quote

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<v Speaker 1>the most dangerous woman in America. The label was given

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<v Speaker 1>to her by a U. S District attorney. Her rise

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<v Speaker 1>to fame came from her prominence as a passionate and

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<v Speaker 1>lively orator, and she became a fearless organizer for the

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<v Speaker 1>mine workers during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>Her son, Bill is important to the Blair Mountain events

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<v Speaker 1>because he was considered the leader or also sometimes considered

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<v Speaker 1>the general, of the marching miners. The state of West

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia charged twenty people with treason, including miners and including

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<v Speaker 1>union activist Bill Blizzard. Blizzards trial took place during the

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<v Speaker 1>spring and summer of two and it happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>second floor courtroom of the Jefferson County Courthouse in Charlestown,

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia. Jefferson County is about two d and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from the scene of the conflict. At the

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<v Speaker 1>courthouse was chosen in an attempt to ensure an impartial jury.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no coal mines in that part of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>At this time in America's history, a treason trial like

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<v Speaker 1>this one wasn't high stakes just for the men on trial.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also high stakes for the bigger and struggling

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<v Speaker 1>labor movement in the country. If the prosecution one, the

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<v Speaker 1>punitive anti union tactics used by the coal companies could

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<v Speaker 1>become legitimized. So this was big, like big big. It

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<v Speaker 1>was about the largest labor uprising in American history. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing about this trial, no matter what county it was

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<v Speaker 1>held in, those treason charges were considered really shaky at best,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was thought that the strongest case was against

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Blizzard. In fact, believing that the trees and charges

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<v Speaker 1>were quote improper, the prosecutor for Jefferson County, a person

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<v Speaker 1>named John T. Porterfield, recused himself and declared the trials

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole to be quote a waste of scarce

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<v Speaker 1>resources and mean spirited vendettas Attorney C. W. Assington and A. M. Belcher,

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<v Speaker 1>referred to together as the Coal Dust Twins by the

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<v Speaker 1>miners because of their close working relationship the coal mine operators,

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<v Speaker 1>took his place as the prosecution team. The defense was

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<v Speaker 1>led by Thomas Townsend, a lawyer for the United Mine Workers,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Harold Houston, who had previously and often worked

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<v Speaker 1>closely with the union. The case was overseen by Judge J. M.

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<v Speaker 1>Woods because the prosecuting attorney for Jefferson County, John T. Porterfield,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the state Attorney General, did not participate

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<v Speaker 1>in the trials. Many following the case were left assuming

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<v Speaker 1>the state had abdicated its legal responsibility to the private

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<v Speaker 1>coal companies. True or not. After hearing this story, that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds sort of plausible, doesn't it. I could see where

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<v Speaker 1>people landed there. I can see where people got down

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<v Speaker 1>that path. While the accused were in jail, Houston got

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<v Speaker 1>to work before indictments were even issued. He was raising

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<v Speaker 1>funds for the legal defense during the march. Fred Mooney,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the secretary treasurer of the local United Mine

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<v Speaker 1>Workers District, helped to establish the Mingo County Defense League.

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<v Speaker 1>Many who supported the miners responded to the national and

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<v Speaker 1>global call for donations to the Miners Defense Fund. Quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>the fund amass more than fifty dollars, originating from support

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<v Speaker 1>within the labor movement, but also among industries totally unconnected

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<v Speaker 1>to coal mining. The coal mine operators funded the prosecution, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of funded the prosecution. They later build the

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<v Speaker 1>state of West Virginia for a hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars in legal fees, where they reimbursed that, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. The first person to be tried was Bill Blizzard, who,

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<v Speaker 1>as we've said, was believed to have been the leader

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<v Speaker 1>of the march, and he was charged with treason for

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<v Speaker 1>that act. So treason here we are. The United States

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution specifically defines this crime and says this treason against

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<v Speaker 1>the United States shall consist only in levying war against them,

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<v Speaker 1>or in adhering to their enemies giving them aid and comfort.

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<v Speaker 1>No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the

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<v Speaker 1>testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or

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<v Speaker 1>on confession in open court. The media attention was intense

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<v Speaker 1>during Blizzard's trial, but that allowed the regional conversation of

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<v Speaker 1>labor issues to move into a more nationwide were station.

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<v Speaker 1>Media coverage was extensive in coal rich regions of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular Pennsylvania newspapers in places like Altoona, Allentown, Scranton,

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<v Speaker 1>Wilkes Barre. They all reported daily on the trial. Several

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<v Speaker 1>papers in New York City also covered the trial, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Brooklyn Citizen and the New York Times covering daily events,

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<v Speaker 1>so people outside southern West Virginia were reading about the conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>the charges, who testify, and the key details of each testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>Lizards treason trial really broke down to just this one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was the leader of the march, was he

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<v Speaker 1>actually leading when the miners reached Blair Mountain, and was

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<v Speaker 1>it for the purpose of levying war? And there was

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<v Speaker 1>conflicting testimony about that. The prosecution claimed Blizzard had shadowed

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<v Speaker 1>the miners as they marched and that he had closely

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<v Speaker 1>followed their progress. Some miners had turned state's witnesses and

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<v Speaker 1>testified the Blizzard was commanding the miners during the entire

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<v Speaker 1>march to Logan County and through the Battle of Blair Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning state's witness just to get everyone on the same

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<v Speaker 1>page means that they admitted their guilt in agreement to

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<v Speaker 1>testify as a witness for the state against their associate,

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<v Speaker 1>usually in exchange for leniency in sentencing. One of those

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<v Speaker 1>men claimed that he saw Blizzard delivering ammunition to the

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<v Speaker 1>miners witnesses for the defense on the other hand, testified

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<v Speaker 1>to having seen Blizzard in Charleston during the march. Charleston,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can picture. It is the state capital, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's about sixty miles from Logan. The defense's star witness, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was a United States Army infantry captain, who stated that

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<v Speaker 1>he had never heard any miners talk of going to

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<v Speaker 1>war against the government. Rather, they sought to quote protect

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<v Speaker 1>the women and children from Sheriff Chaffin's death e d

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<v Speaker 1>s in Logan County. Yeah, that guy. Blizzard himself testified

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<v Speaker 1>he had been there, but that he had only been

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<v Speaker 1>there on September two and September three, when he went

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<v Speaker 1>to persuade the miners to surrender to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>Army and to return home. Blizzard's trial was standing room only.

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<v Speaker 1>The courtroom could see about three hundred people, but the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd that had showed up was closer to five. It

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<v Speaker 1>lasted more than four weeks, and it was Prosecutor C. W.

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<v Speaker 1>Ostenton who closed the case for the States, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing against Bill Blizzard. I'm not asking for

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<v Speaker 1>Bill's blood. I'd like to say, young man, take your

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<v Speaker 1>wife and babies and go home. On after six hours

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<v Speaker 1>and ten minutes of deliberation by the jury, Lizard was

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<v Speaker 1>acquitted of the charge of treason. We quote we the

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<v Speaker 1>jury find for the defense dims court clerk see A.

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<v Speaker 1>Conrad wrote on the back of the indictment, quote we

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<v Speaker 1>the jury find the defendant not guilty of the charge.

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<v Speaker 1>In the indictment that was signed by dB. Shoemaker, the foreman,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no evidence to back up the claim of treason.

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<v Speaker 1>Down with the coal baron's yelled one defendant, A union official,

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<v Speaker 1>and others echoed similar sentiments. Blizzard's acquittal came after questions

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<v Speaker 1>arose regarding the reliability of some of the witnesses for

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution, as well as in Blizzard's role in convincing

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<v Speaker 1>the miners to lay down their arms. A writer for

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<v Speaker 1>the Deluth Herald commented, quote, in a large measure, the

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<v Speaker 1>state of West Virginia was on trial in the Blizzard case,

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<v Speaker 1>and the verdict of acquittal as to Blizzard was the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent to a verdict of guilty against the state. Later

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<v Speaker 1>that day, sympathizers celebrated Blizzard with a parade. The Associated

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<v Speaker 1>Press reported that he and I'm gonna paraphrase this because

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<v Speaker 1>Guy's quite long was carried on the shoulders of others,

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<v Speaker 1>and a triumphal march through town that crowds cheered his

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>verdict and lifted him on their backs. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Blizzard who was charged with treason, we know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they did not all have the same outcome. Walter Allen

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<v Speaker 1>was charged and convicted of treason on September six for

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<v Speaker 1>the part that he played in the One March against

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<v Speaker 1>the coal companies and the United States Army at Blair Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Witnesses described Allen's role as a leadership role. They testified

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<v Speaker 1>that he spoke at a rally of miners prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the march, and they claimed that he led the miners

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<v Speaker 1>who voted to take part in the march. Witnesses also

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Allen recruited miners from other camps and that

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<v Speaker 1>he obtained weapons for miners for the march, that he

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<v Speaker 1>served on the marches finance committee, and that he was

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<v Speaker 1>seen generally participating in many stages of the event. Allen

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<v Speaker 1>was the only miner convicted of treason. A jury found

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<v Speaker 1>him guilty and he was sentenced to ten years in

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<v Speaker 1>state prison. He was freed on a ten thousand dollar

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<v Speaker 1>bond pending his appeal, but on December sixteenth, of nine

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<v Speaker 1>County officials reported that Allen had fled. The charges against

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<v Speaker 1>other union leaders Frank Keeney and Fred Mooney ended up dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend James Wilburn and his son John were convicted, though

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<v Speaker 1>not for treason. Their crime was second degree murder after

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<v Speaker 1>causing the first casualty at Blair Mountain. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>indicted miners were acquitted or their case just never went

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<v Speaker 1>to trial. Kenziek New, director of the Mine Wars Museum

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<v Speaker 1>in Mingo County, has talked about the long lasting significance

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<v Speaker 1>of the conflict, saying, quote, Blair Mountain teaches us that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to stand together if we're going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>The miners took great risks and banded together collectively, overcoming

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<v Speaker 1>barriers of race and ethnicity to shine a light on

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<v Speaker 1>these dramatic examples of exploitation. This was a story in

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<v Speaker 1>American history that I was not really aware of. I

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<v Speaker 1>was aware of the Cold Wars and the miners versus

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<v Speaker 1>the companies, but I was not aware that this was

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<v Speaker 1>the largest labor uprising. Comparing things like this to the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War, I had no idea. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>until we got involved in it. When you start doing

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<v Speaker 1>the research and looking at how many people were involved,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing was strategically planned out, it sounds like any

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<v Speaker 1>other actual battlefield, isn't it. Yeah, we tend to think

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<v Speaker 1>of labor disputes in a much more I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say sedate, because people are very passionate about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but not so much involving active warfare. We think of

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<v Speaker 1>picket lines, we think of people crossing lines. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>think of people with a Gatlin gun necessarily are great

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<v Speaker 1>good fortune, so we don't while we ponder this, would

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy a perfecty poor? I was just about to

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<v Speaker 1>say while we discussed this, I would like a drink, Maria.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I love to surprise you, so I hope

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<v Speaker 1>this does. It's a shot a shot, I'm down? What

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<v Speaker 1>is this? A shot up bourbon? Just straight? Because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in not just straight? And this is one of those things, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the idea of shots that are actually like

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<v Speaker 1>small mixed drinks, right with layers, or like little like interest,

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<v Speaker 1>not just one guy. You can do interesting things. I

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<v Speaker 1>am not likely to drink a shot of bourbon straight.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you are, but I do enjoy a shot,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one is called coal dust, and you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>why at the end. And it's not a super heavy

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<v Speaker 1>hitter either. I'll talk about my thoughts on shots and

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<v Speaker 1>people doing them or not wanting to do them when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to the the in the cocktap. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>simple one to put together. You just need an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of bourbon, a half ounce of amoretto, and a half

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<v Speaker 1>to three quarters of an ounce of apple juice. I

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<v Speaker 1>went with apple juice because apple orchard is very common

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<v Speaker 1>in West Virginia. And armoretto. I just thought was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a nice combo for those two things to

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<v Speaker 1>have a party together. A little bourbon and apple juice

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<v Speaker 1>and armoretto makes it all almondy and delicious. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. Looking to list, it's a small list, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's an odd list. Oh just wait, it's about to

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<v Speaker 1>get hodder. So I just stirred them together and then

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<v Speaker 1>I poured them into a chilled chock glass. Then here's

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<v Speaker 1>where the cold dust comes in, because I sprinkled it

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<v Speaker 1>with just a pinch of freshly ground black pepper because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get that idea of I associate things

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<v Speaker 1>like coal dust with just that settling on everything you have,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's everywhere, and so it will settle a little

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<v Speaker 1>into your shot glass. It's not gonna radically change the

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<v Speaker 1>flavor of any of the spirits in there, but you'll

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally get that little bit of it and be like ah.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes, depending on the nature of your pepper, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be a little small but not too overwhelming bite

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<v Speaker 1>that is cold dust. Now, before I get to the

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<v Speaker 1>mock tail, I want to say this one. I have

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<v Speaker 1>strong feelings about shots because I don't think you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>down a shot all at once. And if you're making

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<v Speaker 1>a shot that's tasty and interesting, you can sip it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine. Nobody here's gonna judge you, and if they do,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll burrate them aggressively. The other thing is that if

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you just don't like a shot right, because this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that heavy a hitter. It's an ounce of bourbon. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of shots will have like an ounce and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>or even sometimes two if you have a really assertive poorer.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could if this sounds interesting but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it like that, you could top it

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<v Speaker 1>with au soda or ginger ale and make it into

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<v Speaker 1>more of a traditional cocktail and you're gonna be fine.

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>You have options. Again, always always make it the way

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you want it, because that's the whole point. The almaretto

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<v Speaker 1>that was half an ounce, Yes, just half an ounce.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a lot, yeah, especially when it's countered with

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<v Speaker 1>apple juice. And the reason I said a half to

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters is that just a half isn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>shift things too much. You'll still have a lot of

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 1>that bourbon bite. So if that's still a little too

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<v Speaker 1>much for you and you don't want to go like

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<v Speaker 1>the soda root, you can just add a little more

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>apple juice. It's fine tweak everything to make it the

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<v Speaker 1>way you like it. To do this as a mocktail,

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<v Speaker 1>it's superto bre easy. As we're going to do the

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>very very strongly brewed and steeped black tea in lieu

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 1>of bourbon, you're gonna toss in an almond syrup and

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>lou of vamoretto, and then apple juice and black pepper

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.760
<v Speaker 1>are just fine. Same thing with ginger ail or soda

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>if you want to make it a little a little

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>lighter to the palate. Lately I've been I've been experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>with shots and bourbon shots in particular. So this was

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<v Speaker 1>a fun love it to play with. I know who

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<v Speaker 1>am I I don't know. I don't know my influence

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 1>after all these decades has come through. I have my reason,

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<v Speaker 1>but also I just I'm always trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>ways to make friends with things that I think I

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>don't like. I love that because we both feel this

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>way about Jim, right, So like your journey of becoming

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<v Speaker 1>friends with Jin is also my journey of becoming friends

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>with Jim. Now, I quite like Jim. I put it

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<v Speaker 1>in lots of stuff, so I actually find that like

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<v Speaker 1>when it appears, I'm not like, oh, there's gin in

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>that anymore. So you know it's working slowly, but surely

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it's working. So yes, So that is the cold dust.

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>If you just want a little dusty, you could also

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<v Speaker 1>if you really want to go an alternate route and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I don't want to put pepper in my

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail with armouretto, you could also do just a little

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny pinch of activated charcoal powder, which we have

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<v Speaker 1>used in the past. I was thinking about that. Actually

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I knew you were expecting that, So I want had

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<v Speaker 1>to flip you on your ear because you've used it before,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was not expecting it. But it was a

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>nice little like remembrance of oh, hey, remember when we

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<v Speaker 1>made that activated dricol drink. That was cool. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>we have something that looks dusty like. I'm like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to do that, you could do that instead

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>of the pepper. That's fine, particularly if you bought it

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<v Speaker 1>for a previous calcula and you're like, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>bag of fractivated charcoal, what am I going to use

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>it for now? It's a great time I brought it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that's when that You've got to tell friends if

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<v Speaker 1>they're on medications, maybe not Maybe leave it out. The

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>pepper safer in that regard because it will absorb a

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of the things that you actually mean to put

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>into your body instead of just the tricky parts. Charcoal

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 1>has many uses. You can read up on it. It's

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>easy to find information on how charcoal will mess with

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>things like medication. Yeah, that's the cold dust. We hope

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that takes the edge off of this not exactly uplifting story,

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>but important story about labor rights and particularly about like

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<v Speaker 1>how someone just fighting for the right to not be

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<v Speaker 1>taken advantage of by their employer. Can suddenly be considered

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<v Speaker 1>a treasonist? Yes, that's an important thing to consider troubling.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the Perfect Poor took the edge off of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will be right back here next week with

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<v Speaker 1>another tale of treason as well as another perfecty poor,

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