WEBVTT - KJ Live - Roberto Bergersen 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.320 This is kJ Live with Chris john Salli and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.520 entertainment in the strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.079 now killed in kJ Live. Today's guest doing the show 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.720 was a former college basketball start in pro that his 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.680 return to his alma mater, Boys States, and assistant coach 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.920 where he was also a Hall of Famer. Please join 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:38.760 me in welcome coach Referto burgoson the kJ Live. Berto, 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.920 what's good? What's happening? Man? I appreciate you having me 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.680 on man, anything and everything. Life is good. Brother. Hey, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.840 congratulations man Boise State. You return to your alma mater 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.400 where you laid some of that found laid the foundation 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.640 for that program, in my opinion, turning it out in 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.520 nine that was my I think my senior year. Remember 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.760 you and speing all day long, talk about what it's 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.080 like to go back man, the boys you stay, You're 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.960 all made and get with coach Leon Rice uh Man, 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.560 it was. You know, it's kind of one of those 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.920 things where it's like a dream come true that you 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.600 never you know, I thought about it, you know, being 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.679 a dream for so many years. I just Um, I 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.000 was doing the au stuff and I loved it, like 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.319 I loved it. I loved everything about UM. You know, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.280 just kind of trying to help to, you know, build 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.840 a culture of basketball here in this community that that 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.840 really wasn't one when we you know, when I was here, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.199 you know, going to college, you know, the high school 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.479 scene and all that, it was great. I enjoyed all 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.840 of that. UM and I really every time anybody would 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.399 ask me getting in college, coach and it was like, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.440 not just you know, that's just not me, not for me. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.440 Coach Rice and I you know, we we his kids 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.440 played in my program, so I knew him. Um. You 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.200 know from day one he stepped on into the town 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.000 of boys, like he hit me like day one. It 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.520 was like, look, we want you to be a part 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.520 of program. You know, culture is big for me. You 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.960 know the Gonzagaway, right, you know the way you know, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.320 we always embraced you know, our alumnis, and they always 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.480 embraced us. So I want to make sure you guys 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.840 coming around. And I think after I left there was 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.600 a little bit of separation where that wasn't UM. That 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.799 wasn't a big deal like a alumni. We just wasn't 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.840 a lot of guys around or it just wasn't embraced 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.799 like we thought. And you know he did that um 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.880 so um. Like I said, for me, I wasn't even 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.520 thinking about it. And then, uh, you know, last year 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.880 I had an opportunity to go to Eastern Washington. I 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.320 had sent a couple of players to Eastern Washington. Um. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.679 They had a new coaching um coaching change, and that 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.600 in the associate that took over as the head job. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.680 He asked me if I wanted to come and kind 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.160 of looked at my wife. My wife looked at me 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.079 like when you know, we wasn't going nowhere. Man, I'm 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.920 in the house. I wanted to retire in kids are 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.160 almost gone, about to be empty, necess what are you 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.960 talking about? And I was just like, man, this is 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.480 this It just kind of seemed it felt right. It 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.240 was a deal where it was like, man, this is 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.400 a great opportunity to go there. Like I said, I 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.000 got to coach my kids. I got to coach my 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.080 oldest son and his senior year. Was that was that 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.040 the big reason why? I mean, because you had you 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.200 had sounding like you were straight. Bro, you sound like 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.320 berto you were straight. You were chilling the a you 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.960 think was locked. Now you're going right into the pressure 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.000 of college basketball and your son's gonna be a senior. Man. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.880 I coached my son three years at Palisades. Just tell 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.760 me about that process. What you wanted to be there 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.560 for him? You just I mean, talk to me. Nah. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.000 It didn't even it wasn't like he wasn't even in 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.120 a picture. When I first was getting an opportunity to 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.760 go to Eastern Washington. Now there was one of my 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.600 soul kid by the name of Ellis Magnison. He had 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.840 started at Eastern at the point for two years. He's 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.280 like one of my sons. Like him and my my 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.440 middle souner, like best friends. I've been coaching him since 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.080 he was like six, So he was there, so there 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.400 was an appeal for that. I was like, damn, I 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.680 get to go coach Ellis again. Um. And then it 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.480 almost was like the au stuff. We were already starting 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.400 to like reimage what we were doing, and I felt 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.520 like that we ran our course. But I felt like 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.920 we did what we wanted to accomplish. I felt like 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.160 we actually came in and we helped to um, you know, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.960 really just propel the culture of basketball and we got 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.360 a lot of kids to get opportunities. And at that 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.120 point the basketball culture here now in Boise has grown 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.800 like it's grown a lot, and it was almost just 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.840 like at that time when it came up, I kind 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.400 of told my wife, like, this opportunity is coming up 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.560 for a reason. We've done, you know, a lot of 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.600 things already. Um, I just think this is just a 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.559 different challenge and it's something that that is the right time. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.840 And at the time, I was thinking to myself, man, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.280 four or six years old, like getting into college basketball. Now, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.279 if I'm ever gonna try it and give it a shot, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.719 I gotta do it now. It's not it's it's not 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.680 gonna come around again. It's probably not gonna happen. And 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.480 I'm definitely not going to you know, not looking to 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.320 start at the bottom or anything like that. Now, this 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.120 opportunity was really good because I was the first assistant 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.800 that he hired, so I got to get I didn't 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.760 have to you know, I got to be in an assistance. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.200 So it was just one of those situations like, man, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.000 this is just something we can't turn down. We gotta 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.600 at least give it a shot. Have no regrets if 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.359 it works out, great, If it don't work out, we 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.400 can go back to what we was doing and say, hey, man, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.760 we did it. And so after I, after I got 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.599 on and and and took um took the job. That's 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.560 when um my son's situation as a grad transfers, like, well, shoot, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.839 can I come there to him? Like, man, I think 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.520 he would because they lost a bunch of players. He 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.320 didn't know what the proscer was gonna be needed. You 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.599 needed you needed some guys, right, some players? Yes, yes, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.720 So I ended up able to you know, he came 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.400 out there. And then there was another kid I coached 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.200 preschool that came and so then that ended up just 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.600 being an incredible, incredible year for me. Man I got 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.520 I was coaching like three of my kids, like them 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.960 three is like my old kids. It's a whole different situation, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.360 you know, even though you know, you know, I love 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.080 all the kids are saying, but but it's just a 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.120 little bit different when you're you know, when you're in 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.200 it with guys that you that you you know that 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.479 you came up with, where you primarily on development side 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.440 of things, where you were you are out recruiting, Like 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.719 what was your role in Eastern like, what skilled college 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.120 basketball coaching skills did you pick up out there? Um, well, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.400 you know at Eastern I mean, you know, especially being there, 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.120 you know, just not it's not you know, I don't 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.040 got the resources of a U c. L A or 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.920 UTUB or even a Boisi state. So you gotta do everything. Man, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.000 we do everything. We were sharing the load. We were 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:20.320 sharing a load, player development, recruiting, offense, defense, um, you know, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.880 admin and stuff, you know stuff. It's one of It's 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.480 a place where it's like, if you want to get 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.640 something done, you might have to just do it yourself, 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:33.600 you know. And so man, out there I did. UM. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.880 I learned a lot. I picked up a lot, a 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.960 lot of different stuff, and I think the most the 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.400 biggest thing I picked up was just even more so, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:46.680 the the interaction and the protocol between um the program, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.480 the basketball team and that and the administration, but then 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.040 also the basketball team administration and other side of campus, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.240 the you know, the teachers and the academic side of stuff, 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.760 and how that intertwines and how you have to make 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.080 sure that you are intertwined that to make sure that 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.240 you can give your your your student athletes, your your 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.240 players the best experience possible, and so for me, I 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.839 think that's that's what I picked up the most, was 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.920 just learning you know, how that interaction works. And now 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:17.880 when you joined the Boys Stay staff, did you come 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.760 back with like a mindset of like I want to 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.840 be you know, I want to be out out in 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.680 the field trying to get players, or did you want 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.240 to be like I want to be in the gym, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.280 you know, really working on guys and I got some 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.200 stuff really to tell you to teach and which side 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.320 of things or did you want to encompass everything? Like 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.160 I'm just curious to how you know, how your approach 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.880 to your new gig was. Yeah, I think where you 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.720 say like the encompass everything is one thing I think 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.720 for me, I think the way I processed up and 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.280 look at stuff with anything I do is I'm just 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.800 trying to just I try to figure out where I 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.160 fit and how I can make things better. Like you know, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.120 everybody got their own way and they do things and 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.880 people have success or not success, and but I'll never 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.920 you know, look at a situation like you know, what 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.640 can I do or change this or do something different? 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.680 It's like, okay, this is how you do something. That's 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.520 the way you do it, that's what you're successful. How 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.240 can I you know, falling in line with that, But 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:05.600 how can I make it better? How can I make 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.360 it more efficient? How can I improve what improve those things? 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.520 And so for me, it is a full and you know, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.640 like I said, a full encompassing thing, like I want 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.320 to be able to do everything. But my passion does 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.239 lie in the development. My passion, it does, it lies 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.840 in in in total development. I just love spending time, 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.280 not just with young people, but it's specifically young people 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.000 because I know, I think I have a lot to 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.680 give them, because I think I was in their shoes 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.880 and experience a lot, especially as at a young age, 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.520 I experience a lot. But just I think I've learned, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.040 you know, throughout my life to how to find peace 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.000 and you know, how to how to live healthy. So 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.360 I want to be able to get that to him. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.720 But that's weird for me. It's like, let me just 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:44.840 get a guy, get a couple of guys, and let's 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.360 just spend some time on the floor, you know, let's 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:47.920 spend some time in the film room, Let's spend some 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.400 time at lunch, Let's spend some time, you know, hanging 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.920 out that that's where you know, I thrive it just 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.640 with people. So obviously then that ties into the recruiting zoo. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.800 You you you enjoy getting to meet people and talk 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:04.120 to people and figure that out. Um. Mainly, UM, my 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.480 main dealers. I'm in the player development. I coordinated player development, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.160 which again I embrace. I love doing it, and that's 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.800 what I'm doing mainly. But yeah, we're still doing the 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.760 same thing here man. A lot of recruiting, a lot 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.480 of offense and defense. Um, you know, a little bit 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.920 of everything. Yeah, y'all, y'all A high level program now 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.800 it used to be. I mean, the expectations now I 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.319 think are a lot greater, especially with the tournament appearances 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.120 and all the success that UM and pros. There's been 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.000 a couple of guys that came out of there. I know, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.280 I don't know. My guy, Clint Parks was training one 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.760 of the kids that came out of Boys before a 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:40.160 little bit. My son, my son Will had a teammate 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:44.440 that played at Oregon. I boo, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.280 so he was he was over there. Um, but um, 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.240 it reminded me what you the way here and you 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.160 talk berto about your approach to the gig to the job. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.680 It reminded me of my experience us with Lorenzo Romar. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.400 Romar was about forty seven forty eight because still give 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.440 you buckets and ones, still still young enough to relate, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.280 but still old enough to where you had to respect 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.880 him as the big the big o g big brother 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.120 type of guy. That and then his roll man at 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.400 U c l A. Was so valuable for us because, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.640 as you just talked about, it's not just about on 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.560 the court and this's and that, it's about a full 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.800 three sixty mentoring as much time as you can spend 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.280 with these young folks, these these student athletes and your 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.640 program showing them the right way, keeping their head on straight. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.960 You have no idea how much that means to them 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.520 to keep him them on the straight and narrow. You 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.600 feel me because I know Rod was like that. Romar 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.520 was like that with us. So he's eating lunch with 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.680 he's eat lunch with us, he's breaking down our film. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.640 Our film sessions are ridiculous because we're just laughing. Like 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.680 you know, because when you watch yourself on Phil Berno, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:52.480 you know it's jokes coming. You can't hide from. You 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.760 sta't hide from the film and you're like you said, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.880 you know when you're in there and you it was 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.600 people that you can relate to, that relates to you. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.720 It's enjoyable, like you said, and you know you're gonna 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.559 crack on each other and you're gonna talk about each 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.559 other and get so. I know, man, uh, Coach Romar 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.800 is one of my favorites ever, man, ever since I 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.720 was young, just just you know, getting to know him 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.559 and be around. And he got a great staff of 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.320 Peppertine too that like I always tell people, Man, if 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.360 it wasn't here, that's like the best staff I think. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.560 I mean, I'd love to be around him, dude. They're good, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.400 is good, and and he's a He's the type of 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.760 do that for me. I know, you know, um was 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.520 the kind of guy that I looked to him like, man, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.640 that's that's a coach I want to be around. And 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.280 I know I had guys like that in my life 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.280 of my high school coach and you know, one of 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.760 my sisters in college and even you know, even when 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:35.839 I was in the in the prose, a couple of 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.040 NBA guys that just affected me, like you said, in 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.480 that way, help me along the line, because because I 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.880 was on. I mean, I was on the road to destruction. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.360 And if it wasn't for some of the people pulling 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:45.800 me up, I wouldn't have been there and I wouldn't 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.880 have been able to understand how to you know, find 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.800 that piece or live healthy. So yeah, all facts, all facts, man, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.079 share it share yeah, No, chair it to that somebody. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.160 You never know what somebody go get from, you know 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.360 what I mean. So that's that's the whole thing. Man. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.800 When you look back though, in your beginnings, Um, you 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.440 were born in the Federal Way, Washington area or Decatur 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.679 or what what? What part of Washington were you born 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.040 and where you from? Talked to me? Yeah, so I 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.400 mean I was actually born in Seattle. I was born 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.440 at University of Washington Hospital. But then I was born 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.560 I was raised in Tacoma, Tacoma. Yeah. Yeah, so I 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.520 was raising Tacoma, live with my my grandparents raised me. Um, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.920 and then I ended up moving from Tacoma my freshman year, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.440 I moved out to Federal Way and went to Decatur, 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.520 which is I mean, it's basically connected to Tacoma, man. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.599 I mean like from my grandparents house to where we 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.040 move was like fifteen minutes, Um, but at that time, 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.120 Federal Way was it was it was it was more 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.559 of a suburb. I mean it was a suburb of Tacoma. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.000 You know, Tacoma was a little bit more like you know, um, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.680 you know it was. It was a little wild. It 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.599 was a little more you know, I don't know, a 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.000 little a little look like I said, a little bit 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.000 more city like city is a Federal Way was a 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.160 little bit more suburb. Um. So then I went out 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.360 there and yeah, that's where you know, I met I 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.800 met Mike d We met our sophomore year. We were 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.360 both going to Decatur together. And then um my second 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.439 then yeah it was crazy man, we had you and 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.680 Mike Dickerson. Oh the same squad. But what was that? 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.520 What was your squad like that that that one year? 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.120 Who was who else was on that squad that I 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.120 might know? So we had another kid that played with 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.520 us named Javan Hollans University of Air Force. Um, we 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.600 were all sophomores. We were all the same class, um. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.679 And then the the guys ahead of us. We had 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.160 a couple of seniors that didn't really they really didn't 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.920 who wanted to play baseball. I mean they were hoopers 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.320 there Um, so we did well, Um we did we 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.120 did we? I mean we Yeah, we were gonna be loaded. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.600 But then my sophomore year, Mike D ended up transferring 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.360 it and he went to the crosstown rival school. Dad 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.920 didn't really like our coaches. Yeah, he went to the 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.240 crosstown rival and it was games of rivalry. But like 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.199 me and Mike D, like we had created such a 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.839 van we was. You know, we used to have to 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.760 hide like we you know, I get done with practice, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.720 he get done in practice. He come picking me up. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.199 We go to pack Weston player. We go to the 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.600 Bellevue Pro Club to play with this. Honest my coach 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.240 didn't know, but you know he wouldn't if he knew that. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:16.240 But so so yeah, so I'm I went there. So 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.560 I was indicator idicator for my sophomore through senior year 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:21.800 and then um from there ended up going to to 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.240 walk you what a you program did you play for? 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.000 Because I think we played did we play you in 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.120 Long Beach? Yeah? So you're so. This is what Craig 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.320 was crazy is we didn't have no AU programs. Then 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.880 it was just straight Washington b c I. And that's 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.840 part of the reason why our team was, like you said, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.840 when he was back pretty good. It was just like 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.960 they literally would pick the team best kids from the 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.160 whole state now mostly just from Western Washington, Eastern Washington 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.200 had kind of like their own little team that they 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.040 would have. So like I remember once my boy name 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.280 that moved out there, he moved from California that played 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.520 for He played in the NBA a couple of years, 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.840 played that Kansas big fellas seven footer or kind of 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.720 kind of awkward big dude. What was his name, Poular Polar, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.800 Paul Scott Polar, Scott Pollard played on the East Saw. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.920 He was out there a little bit. But me, Mike 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:20.640 d oh mcgivons, J T. Donald, Um, you know, I 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.400 mean we had you know, we had some other dudes, 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.400 you know that was that was getting it in, Davon Green, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.640 all of them. Do we we played together? So I'm 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.560 trying to think about. I know we played you guys 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:38.200 one time. I think you Gilani Um, Tony Gonzalez. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.400 there was a yeah, that's remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.680 we played who else is on there? I'm pretty sure 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:50.280 Miles played on there. JR. Henderson, Doug Yeah. See here's 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.240 what's crazy. Though when we played, y'all, Doug wasn't on 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.520 that team. Now here's what's crazy. So I played, we 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.040 played together. We've all played together the summer, but one 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.560 one spring it was either the fall of the spring 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.440 um after we had played against you guys with something. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.200 I don't know if it was Doug or if it 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:17.280 was or if it was Miles, but somebody connected. No 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.760 I know what happened. We were playing on our Washington 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.880 b c I team. We went out there and stayed 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.400 when we played in the tournament. The Modern Day Team 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.680 hosted us. They let our teams stay with one of 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.520 their players. I ended up staying with this with the 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.080 kid named Darren Hight. Yeah, I know Darren. He played 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.320 so Darren with the prison. So I stayed with Darren 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.440 and we hit it off. It was good, the parents good. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.680 So then the fall came. Darren called me, was like, hey, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.800 we need somebody for our team. Doug's dad was coaching 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:53.600 the Orange Crush. Was I played, but you didn't play 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.720 that I wasn't there, and that's probably what happened. You 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.680 got a bunch of guys didn't play, so they needed 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.480 some guys. I went down there. It was me Trajan 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:11.720 langdon Uh chauncey oho Uh. Doug didn't play for some reason. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.800 He was gone. Darren Hight the the six seven athletic 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.800 white kid that went to St. Louis abyss ball. I 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:22.679 don't remember his name. Um him who else played with us, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:30.040 Miles damn Um. I think a lout he was. He 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.560 was young. I don't think he played, but I think 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.600 he practiced with us that modern day and he was nice. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.040 I don't care how young he was. He was so good, sir. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.960 And then we had um I think I'm gonna played 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.800 with us. Imna played with us and we so we 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.119 played that and I played that fall and actually had 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:48.280 and that was kind of one of the ones that 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.440 put me on the MAPPE was good. But that was like, yeah, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.439 that that was and I remember going down there's like, man, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.399 it's the same dudes that but they obviously played against 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.000 you guys in Pump and Run and all that stuff. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.920 That is so dope, man. But planning for just to 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.080 talk about Bob dot Lee for a second win, Bob, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.000 so I've been I had played for Bob Gottli, who 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.040 coached the team that you had played on. Doug's dad 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.520 for since since about the seventh grade. But he was 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.480 like he was like the first, but he was like 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.480 the first. You know. Bob was an experienced college coach 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.080 and had been assistance everywhere. So he had sets and 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.159 you was running off yo the sideline after out of bound, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.040 after timehout. We were coming out with plays, bro. So 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.119 that was that was a great, great memory. But the 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.120 thing I remember about I think we played you guys 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.119 Washington b C. I Man, I remember y'all had this 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.480 like buck this this like monster light skinned dude. Not 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.760 he had a curly time. Who was that? What did 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:44.520 it do? Tony Norman? Yes, dude, And and he almost 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.720 got into a fight with one of y'all assistant coach. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.200 That's what I'm talking about, bro. So look, this is 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:54.480 what's crazy, Like, that's that's my brother. Like. So he 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.560 and I met in Tacoma downtown while I playing that 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.119 late night. We used to have late night at the 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.399