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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Salli and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in the strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are

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Speaker 1: now killed in kJ Live. Today's guest doing the show

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Speaker 1: was a former college basketball start in pro that his

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Speaker 1: return to his alma mater, Boys States, and assistant coach

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Speaker 1: where he was also a Hall of Famer. Please join

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Speaker 1: me in welcome coach Referto burgoson the kJ Live. Berto,

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Speaker 1: what's good? What's happening? Man? I appreciate you having me

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Speaker 1: on man, anything and everything. Life is good. Brother. Hey,

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Speaker 1: congratulations man Boise State. You return to your alma mater

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Speaker 1: where you laid some of that found laid the foundation

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Speaker 1: for that program, in my opinion, turning it out in

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Speaker 1: nine that was my I think my senior year. Remember

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Speaker 1: you and speing all day long, talk about what it's

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Speaker 1: like to go back man, the boys you stay, You're

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Speaker 1: all made and get with coach Leon Rice uh Man,

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Speaker 1: it was. You know, it's kind of one of those

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Speaker 1: things where it's like a dream come true that you

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Speaker 1: never you know, I thought about it, you know, being

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Speaker 1: a dream for so many years. I just Um, I

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved everything about UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: just kind of trying to help to, you know, build

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Speaker 1: a culture of basketball here in this community that that

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Speaker 1: really wasn't one when we you know, when I was here,

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Speaker 1: you know, going to college, you know, the high school

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Speaker 1: ask me getting in college, coach and it was like,

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Speaker 1: not just you know, that's just not me, not for me.

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Speaker 1: Coach Rice and I you know, we we his kids

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Speaker 1: played in my program, so I knew him. Um. You

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Speaker 1: know from day one he stepped on into the town

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Speaker 1: of boys, like he hit me like day one. It

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Speaker 1: was like, look, we want you to be a part

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Speaker 1: of program. You know, culture is big for me. You

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Speaker 1: know the Gonzagaway, right, you know the way you know,

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Speaker 1: we always embraced you know, our alumnis, and they always

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Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to go to Eastern Washington. I

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Speaker 1: They had a new coaching um coaching change, and that

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Speaker 1: He asked me if I wanted to come and kind

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Speaker 1: of looked at my wife. My wife looked at me

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Speaker 1: like when you know, we wasn't going nowhere. Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: got to coach my kids. I got to coach my

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Speaker 1: the big reason why? I mean, because you had you

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Speaker 1: berto you were straight. You were chilling the a you

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Speaker 1: I coached my son three years at Palisades. Just tell

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Speaker 1: It didn't even it wasn't like he wasn't even in

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Speaker 1: mask and so we played y'all next. So we played

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Speaker 1: y'all next. You know, I'm I'm going out here. But

427
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 1: he had that look in his eyes when he wasn't

428
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 1: backing down, like like you know, you know when somebody, hey, Berto,

429
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, when somebody's like, oh oh this dude, Now

430
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: I can't test you know. So no, no, But I

431
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: remember lud Olsen being at the game, and it was

432
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 1: a hell of a game. Man. Fox Sports Radio has

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437
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: you look at, you know, the state of Washington and

438
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 1: the hoop culture out there, you were part of a wave, man,

439
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: and for generation that really put it down and laid

440
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: the foundation for some stuff that's been going on since then.

441
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been tons of guys that have come

442
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: out that area. What is it about that state, man?

443
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: The basketball culture that produces so many skilled athletic high

444
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: i Q having basketball players. Man, I think, Um, I

445
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: mean to start off, I know, like when I was

446
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: coming up living in Tacoma, I didn't there wasn't nobody

447
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 1: from Tacoma that really actually made it, made it to

448
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: like you know, high d one level. Like there were

449
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: some guys like back in the day that got you know,

450
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: lucky and was there or whatever. But nobody, you know,

451
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: everybody that was nice like they was caught up. Man.

452
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: They was either they just they just they didn't happen.

453
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: But they was at the park. I mean it was

454
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: at the park. You can go down there and see

455
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: all these dudes and Jason Swans in the world and

456
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: Dona Morgan's and these dudes was like killers on reason

457
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: or another. You know, it just didn't happen. Um, but

458
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: Seattle did, like Seattle have some guys. Christie was a

459
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Speaker 1: guy that that I watched growing up. Was like, oh

460
00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: my goodness, Um, Tony Harris was a killer watching Yes, yes, yeah,

461
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: so there there was some dudes like that, you know.

462
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean, shoot Mark Pope, you know he played you know,

463
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: he was from Seattle, he played there. I mean but

464
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: even before then, there was some dudes that was hoopers

465
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: that you know. But I think it just you never

466
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Speaker 1: really see, I don't never really got they they do

467
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: they just do they didn't. Um, but I think you know, um,

468
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: there was like a little bit of a gap, and

469
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: especially down south where I'm from, you know, Tacoma, south

470
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: of Seattle, there just wasn't a lot of dudes. And

471
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Speaker 1: so I think our year, like you said, our year

472
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Speaker 1: was really um before us, you know, like kJ Roberts,

473
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: Donnie Marshall, them dudes that made it at a high level,

474
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Speaker 1: but there was a gap where most of the dudes

475
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Speaker 1: coming from the state of Washington there they wasn't getting there.

476
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Speaker 1: So our year, like you said, with Olma being a

477
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Speaker 1: top five player in the nation, you know, coming out

478
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Speaker 1: of high school, and Mike the killing it and I

479
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: did well, and Javon Green and then obviously Donald and

480
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Speaker 1: j T was a year younger than us, but they

481
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: was on the map already because they was young dudes.

482
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of like okay, now they

483
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Speaker 1: got something like this stuff up there. And I think

484
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Speaker 1: what happened was a couple of things. One guys like Jamal,

485
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: j T. D watts Um, they just came back and

486
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: embraced the city and they just would come back and

487
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: like Isaiah I T Isaiah Thomas, he does it too,

488
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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't when I was coming up with that stuff.

489
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Speaker 1: It was a little bit more um, you know, I

490
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Speaker 1: don't want to say it leads, but a little bit

491
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Speaker 1: more secluded. In fact, if you want too with the best,

492
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: you had to go to this, right, even a little

493
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Speaker 1: pro club where the pros is that new guy that's

494
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: where you and and they wasn't letting you know, a

495
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: whole lot of other things the crafts in. You know. Again,

496
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: like I said, you gotta play your way up. I

497
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Speaker 1: understand that, like Jamal and j T and I T.

498
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Speaker 1: And then they started a whole new renaissance. Doug help

499
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Speaker 1: with this too. Um. I remember, you know, Jamal being

500
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Speaker 1: a young dude and Doug having this community center and

501
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: have less let's go hoop and he anybody that you

502
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: know you want to come whop, young, old or whatever.

503
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: They started this just this little coast to where it's

504
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: like everybody was accepted no matter if he was young,

505
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: old or whatever. Dude would be like, hey, we're the

506
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: hoop at were comeing to hoop. And you know, like Jamal,

507
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: that dude is just a hooper man. You don't care

508
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: not about working out. He just want to whoop anyway.

509
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: So I think one it was just this culture where

510
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: you know, the young kids and anybody would just see them,

511
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: do they would see them. If you can see people

512
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: and you can see who they are and you can

513
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: touch him and feel him, it does something in inspiring

514
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: you bro so so them little dude. So you know

515
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: whoever it was the McDaniel twins or de Gente or

516
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: you remember Loderic and and Roger Stewart in facts, the

517
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: guys they were seeing and feeling and touching Doug and

518
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: Jamal and and all of these dudes. And then I

519
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: think they just started whoping. But I think the other

520
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: thing was that helped was before we really started getting

521
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: off in hoop and before was basketball in Washington was

522
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: really known for guys like you know, the old school dudes.

523
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta be um, you know, run this

524
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: and run that, and be sharp and be disciplined. Indeed, drill.

525
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: And I think those two worlds met up. Those two

526
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: worlds met up. Now you've got these kids that can

527
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: just hoop because they out there, but they also started

528
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: learning from some of these coaches how to play. It

529
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: wasn't just one or the other. And I think the

530
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: world's met now you started building up and building some guys,

531
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: and now the culture there is just hot man. Like

532
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's kids whooping everywhere. And again it's a

533
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: it's just a healthy culture. If you go back and

534
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: like I know, like this summer, there was some stuff

535
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 1: going on where people was mad, like you know, they

536
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: was you know, baby boy and and and and Paula

537
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: was getting into it. Man. That was just that was

538
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: just hoop stuff. Man. It wasn't like it's a really

539
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: healthy culture there, especially because them dudes I give, I

540
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: give Jamal and Doug and I t I get them do.

541
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: It's like a lot a lot of credit. Man. They

542
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: embraced the culture and they and they're keeping it there

543
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: and they're helping it out. Man, they're helping out for sure. No,

544
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: it's been amazing man, just to watch it and just

545
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: and I remember even with Romar and you dub hype

546
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: where he had going over there when they were poppy okay,

547
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: and it was just a brand. It was it was

548
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: like a unique brand of guy that came out of there,

549
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: Like I say, skilled, high i Q you know, just

550
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: like coming through like dang is great, feel shares it,

551
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, well you just plays the game the right way.

552
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: So I always had a ton of respect for guys

553
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: like that. So for you, though, why when you finish

554
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: your high school career, you you obviously probably had a

555
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: bunch of people beating down your door. Who were some

556
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: of these schools that were recruiting you? And why did

557
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: you ultimately start off at you dub so? I mean

558
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: I was I was a little bit late on the scene, honestly,

559
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Like it was, you know, um, I wasn't being recruited

560
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: as high as as as Mike d and Omen those guys.

561
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there was people sending me letters, but we

562
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: know how it is. Then it wasn't like crazy, UM

563
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm but um, I know, you know. The

564
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: summer before my senior year, we played against um, we

565
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: played against uh your boy ant Swan Walker and I

566
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: had a good game and played against Randy Lemmings. The

567
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: team had a good game. I know that's what put

568
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: me on the map. But even my senior year was

569
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: kind of like hit and missed. But that fall, after

570
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: the summer, that fall, I came out and played with

571
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: the Orange Crush with Darren and him and I played

572
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: with like I said, you know them guys on the team.

573
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: I had a really good event down there at Dominus Hills,

574
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: UM people like really started to take notice. So you know,

575
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: it was like my last like the schools that I

576
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: was really really into. UM. I took a visit to

577
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: Boston College, took a visit to Santa Clara. UM Utah

578
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: was recruiting me. You Doug was recruiting me, but they

579
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: really wanted Mike D And we was the same position.

580
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: They really wanted Mike D. So the crazy thing is

581
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: Arizona and Washington both was recruiting both of us. But

582
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: but Mike was high on the list. I was probably

583
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: down here right. So as soon as so here's I

584
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: went to Santa Clara. Steve Nash was my host. I

585
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal time. Marlon Steve Nash was after it

586
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: was Dick David the coach. I was rolling with Dictavi two.

587
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: And if I was smart, I said, that's where I

588
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: seen when I had a great time. It was a

589
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: great experience. It would have been set off, but I

590
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: was I was young. I was young, I was eighteen.

591
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: I was caught up in it. Went to Boston College.

592
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: It was a whole different universe, different world. Didn't even

593
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: it was weird, man like, but just because it was

594
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the Big East and it was Boston College. I was like,

595
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: here's what I'm here's where I'm going, and this is

596
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: what's crazy about this deal. I committed to Boston College,

597
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: signed my letter of intent. I'm I melt my letter

598
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: of intent back. The same day I melted back, I

599
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: get a call from the assistant coach telling me Roberto,

600
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he wanted you. We're gonna have to renig

601
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: because we just got a commitment from a kid that

602
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: we didn't think we were gonna get. Who was it?

603
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Who wasn't about to tell you? Says the number one

604
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: player in the state, top ten player in the country

605
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: we thought he was. He thought he was gonna go

606
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: to Duke or something. I can't remember Chris hearing Chris hearing,

607
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: so so it's crazy. Fast forward, fast forward, you know,

608
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: uh five years or whatever. It was. Me and Chris

609
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: played on was on the same team at the NBA

610
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: Draft combine. We connected, hooked up. He was like, look,

611
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: I gotta be a point guard. I'm gonna get you

612
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: the rock. Make sure you make sure. Yeah, that's great.

613
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I gonna get you the ball. And I told him

614
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: that story, and I said, Chris, you know you stole

615
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: my scholarship, right story. Yeah, so anyways, long story short,

616
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: Mike de signs in Arizona. As soon as he signs

617
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: in Arizona, Washington puts the full court press in all

618
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: they didn't get Mike. So now I didn't want to

619
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: press me. I was again, I was caught up. It

620
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: was hometown back COLLETTI who was recruiting you? Well, coach

621
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: Jack did, but it was it was it was mainly, well,

622
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: here's who did it? So um Turget was turging up there. No, no,

623
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: no coch McKay, Richie McKay Ritchie. Yeah yeah, so Richie.

624
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: But here's who did the most recruiting. I'm gonna tell

625
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: you did the most recruiting, and I'm gonna let you.

626
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you guess wins. They wasn't coaches Darren,

627
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Darren Heightened, I mean Darren uh Taylors. No, they're eight.

628
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: They were agents. Oh the pup baby, Now, I wonder fund.

629
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Speaker 1: It wasn't good with the good Ones. Yeah, so Eric

630
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: Hughes was boys with the good Ones. They was doing

631
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of Gary Payton stuff, or Eric was doing

632
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Gary Payton stuff back then. The Good Ones man them

633
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: dudes k picked me up, took me today's spot looking

634
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: over it. They did all the recruit I said. The

635
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: house was out there in though. I'm like, but you know, um,

636
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is like Lawyer Malloyd was there. I

637
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: grew up with him. He's the same mazing my sister.

638
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: I knew him from my little so on my visit,

639
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: he snatched me up. I got you a little bro

640
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: showing up. So I was, I mean, my head was

641
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: spending and it actually was the worst SIDS never made

642
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: because I just wasn't ready for that. I wasn't ready

643
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: for the distractions. Man, I was immature. Man, I just

644
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: were you Bert or were you Was it a partying thing?

645
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Were you going out too much? Were you not focused

646
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: on basketball? Is exactly what it was. It wasn't and

647
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: it wasn't just always partying. It was just like yeah, man,

648
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: like all of my fans like, that's you know, I

649
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: grew up there, That's when my family he was at.

650
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: So sometimes it was just on the weekends I would

651
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: go back and I was just sitting on the block,

652
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: like doing nothing because because everybody wanted to celebrate me, right,

653
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: they want to say, man, you know this guy taking

654
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: around do that, and I was kind of used to that.

655
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was some partying in ball, but I

656
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't do I wasn't doing the things that

657
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: got me there. I wasn't doing my work extra work.

658
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I was messing up in school. Um, I wasn't going

659
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: to class. You know, obviously being a freshman it's to transition,

660
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: but I was even going overboard just because, like I said,

661
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: just being at home at that time, I was not ready.

662
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: It was all me. I was not ready to handle

663
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: those distractions to be able to say no. And um,

664
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: so again, you know, it could have worked out anyway.

665
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: It ended up working out great because you know, obviously

666
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: my career went that way. But but yeah, man, it

667
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: was that's how I went down. What made you made

668
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to make the move to Boise State or first it

669
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: was Southern College of Southern Idahole for a year, right,

670
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: and and we'll talk about that because I've always been

671
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: enamored with that that that program over there. I was

672
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: just always curious, like what what go what's called of

673
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Southern Idahole? Like, man, I'm gonna try to give you

674
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: to get this version because we don't got Okay, Yeah,

675
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: this so so again I was at ut up, was

676
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: messing up, you know, um doing everything. And so I

677
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: had a conversation, um, you know, with myself and with

678
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: some of my family, like, look, I gotta get out

679
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: of here, like you know, and some of my family members,

680
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: my coach and myself like, man, you you got to

681
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: either figure this out or not. So I just kind

682
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: of was like, you know what, the best thing for

683
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: me right now is to get as far as away

684
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: as I can. I gotta get away from home and

685
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: grow up. Um Utah was recruiting me at that time.

686
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: They wanted me Santa Claras. They wanted me, but I

687
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a graze. I screwed up so bad my

688
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: freshman year. I didn't have the grade. I had to

689
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: go juko. So I went to Midland, Texas first. That's

690
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: a big time too. Though I went to Midland, Texas.

691
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I was in Middland. I was in Midlent for about

692
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: two months during the summer, and you know, had some

693
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: crazy stuff down there. It was a little bit, but

694
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: it was some crazy stuff down there. Again, I wasn't

695
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: maturing up to handle it, but it was some crazy

696
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: stuff going on down there. Man. We asked you run

697
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: in with the police and stuff that I I wasn't

698
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: used to like, you know, I mean, Texas, it's still

699
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: some racist stuff, but in the Northwest it's kind of hidden.

700
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Here it's right up in your face, like your face.

701
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I still, like I said, I wasn't

702
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: maturing up to handle it. So I ended up, you know,

703
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: me and the coach kind of had a little falling out. Okay,

704
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: yeah there. So then I left and I went to

705
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: c s I. One of my teammates who was a

706
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: year younger Mean's name is Andre Pleasant, who was another killer.

707
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: He was a can't miss Division one dude. He just

708
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: again just never really got the grades together. He was

709
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: at c s I. Told his coach I was doing nothing.

710
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: The coaches like, man, get him out there. So I

711
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: went to c s I. I was at cs I

712
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: for a semester. Life circumstances, man, My mom relapsed, she

713
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, on drugs. He had some stuff. I had

714
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: a girl I was with, she was pregnant. Um through

715
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: high school. I'm going through this stuff. I can't handle it.

716
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Talking to my coaches, they gave me ultimatum, either stay

717
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: or go. I ended up leaving that semester. Um. So

718
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: when I left that semester, I man, I went home,

719
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: man like I was like I was lost. Man, I

720
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: was about to be done. Like I had, I had nothing.

721
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: I ain't had nothing. Um, good thing. I had some

722
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: good coaches. My high school coach at that time, he

723
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: had got the got assistant job at Boise State at

724
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: that time. He hits me and was like, look, man,

725
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen with you. I don't

726
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: know what's gonna go on. You know. Um all the

727
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: schools that was recruiting U S CSR, and it was

728
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: some big schools, which is probably was a good thing

729
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: I didn't go. They got off of you. I was crazy.

730
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't blame mom. I wouldn't. I wouldn't assigned me either. Man,

731
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: I was out there. He would. He gave me some bodies.

732
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: He said, no matter what you do, I don't care

733
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: what you do. Can you just go make sure you

734
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: finish your AM, go to school, finish your A. And

735
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: if you do that, maybe something happens, maybe it doesn't,

736
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: but at least you didn't lose all the time. So

737
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: good thing. My grandmother and my girlfriend at the time,

738
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: they helped me pay for school. I finished my A

739
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: A and once I finished my A I think my

740
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: coach was testing me to see if I really was

741
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna do it, called me and he was like, I

742
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: didn't have no other I had one other school, Illinois

743
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: Chicago was the only other school calling me. They tracked

744
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: me down from my grandma's house or something like that.

745
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: But my coach was like, hey, I can vince my

746
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: head coach to give you a shot. This is your

747
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: last chance, can come or you you cannot, you know,

748
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: do it. And that's see how I ended up, that's all.

749
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking in my mind, I ain't man, i

750
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: ain't going to Boise, Idaho. I'm not going out there. Man.

751
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: It ain't nothing out there on. But that's the only

752
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: thing I had and it was the best thing that

753
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: ever happened to me. Monster senior year at both at

754
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: Boise State, where your average over twenty game, uh, you

755
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: run a regular season Big West championship. Uh. I remember

756
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: seeing your ESPN a bunch um and just being enamored, like, dang,

757
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: this dude is six six out here, just just rack

758
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: he was dunking on dudes. Bertough, I mean, you turned

759
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: it out. I'll just be honest. And you were but

760
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: the handle, the push, I mean, just everything that you had. Man,

761
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: you were just so live like trust me, we were

762
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: out in l A. You see, like, hey Burdough, we'll

763
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: be in the building. We'd be watching your hard lights

764
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: and your days like we'd be going crazy, dude, we'd

765
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: be going crazy on you have that series your man.

766
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: You go to the draft, you're picked, but the fifty

767
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: seven pick in the second round. Tell me, I asked

768
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: every all my guys that got drafted on here, I

769
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: asked this question. Were you satisfied? Were you happy about

770
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: being drafted? Were you disappointed it wasn't higher? And how

771
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: did it feel to just be drafted? Because some of us,

772
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: like myself, did not hear his name called on that

773
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: special night, bro, So I always want to hear from you.

774
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: How how did that? How did that feel? Before I

775
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: answer that one, get back a little bit too. At

776
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Boydy State and y'all being at U C. L A.

777
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: And it was always because again we played against you

778
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: guys when we were young, and it was something for us.

779
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: We looked at you guys from l A like, man,

780
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: this is like you guys was like our our barometer.

781
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Like it was like we had to catch Gilani, we

782
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: had to catch Ricky Price, we had to catch you.

783
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: We had to catch Tony. And so when y'all was

784
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: at U c l A, it was the same thing.

785
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: We always watched you out to be like, man, they're

786
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: go Toby got a nasty duncan did. Chris is five

787
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: six ft three, So we was the same way. So

788
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: my junior year when we played you guys, Polly, he

789
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: was in their gas. We was. We was ready, especially

790
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: because like Kiwan was with us and that was Baron

791
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: Boy and they went to put together. Yeah, so Kiwan

792
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: had us geeked and amp and we went in there

793
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: and we was at man. We was going and then

794
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: I but here's the thing that's crazy thing you talk about. Man,

795
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: it was one play and I wish I could forget it,

796
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: but I can't because they got it on the internet.

797
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: In the blast Man, I was trying to go dunk

798
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: on JR. I think it was either JR. Glani I

799
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: came here. I think it was JR. I was trying

800
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: to go dunk on his do baseline and Baron comes

801
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: from behind me and just just snatches it right. So listen.

802
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: I try to live. I don't never want nobody to

803
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: see that. Ever, my kids found on Twitter or something

804
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: like real a Baron and then was in it. It's

805
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: that one and put recorse re recorded they always and

806
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: then all the kids that I coached, Berto, why did

807
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: Baron knew you like this? Bla blah blah blah blah blah. Hey,

808
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: they killed me. They killed me the internet. You can't

809
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: hide from the Internet, Bernough. And I've been telling them.

810
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, y'all, see what Baron did that andre Kierlincoln.

811
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: You see he didn't do it to a lot of people. Man,

812
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: it happened. I said, you play at that level, you

813
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: donna get You're gonna get something. You're gonna get guys

814
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: something so um so yeah. So man, respect to all y'all. Man,

815
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: we we had the same we used to just like

816
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: every time y'all playing. Man, it was it was it

817
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: was love, man, it was respect. Fox Sports Radio has

818
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821
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: to listen live. Man. The draft deal, yeah, the draft

822
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: deal was was incredible, man, UM. Leading up to the draft. Uh,

823
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, I was you know, I was on the boards.

824
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: I was mid to late first round, second round whatever.

825
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: You know. UM did the did all the stuff did

826
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: the Smith did the Chicago did well and all of

827
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: them was getting interviews with a couple of teams were

828
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: saying they really wanted me. When I was in Chicago.

829
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: After the second day, I had two really good days.

830
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: My asians getting calls like yes, yes, yes, she' lining

831
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: this up. After the second day when we did our physicals,

832
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: UM I did my physical and my e k G

833
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: came up weird. I had a heart deal. They discovered

834
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: out how to enlarge heart. So it was it was

835
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: a scary thing. I had to go get tested. And

836
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: when that happened, it was like it was one of

837
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: the most Uh, it was one of the most heart

838
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: wrenching the days that level like because they're basically telling

839
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: me at that time, people was like they was afraid

840
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: of that. They were like, You're never gonna be able

841
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: to because hand gathers, because gatherings. Everybody was like scared

842
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: for real. Yeah yeah, So they shut me down. And

843
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: then at that point my asient was like, look, man,

844
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: all this stuff out the window. You just gotta go.

845
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: So I had to go to a bunch of different places. Man.

846
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: I had to go to Mayo. I had to go

847
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: to Swedish Hearts instud in Seattle. I had to have

848
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: people clear me. Finally after you know, weeks and weeks

849
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: and we to do in this test and they cleared

850
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: me like they cleared me, said you're good, jump back

851
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: on boards. And then at that time I didn't I

852
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: wasn't able to do. Um. There was a couple of

853
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to do, like a couple of workouts

854
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: that was that had lined up. So my agent had

855
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: to like squish the stuff in. I ended up doing uh,

856
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: twenty two workouts. I ended up doing twenty two individual

857
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: workouts at that time. Um. They said that was the

858
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: most individual workouts anybody had done after Mike D. Wow,

859
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: Mike D did like twenty four twenty five. He Mike

860
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: D always for our whole life detention, just one up

861
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: in me every time. I'm like, man, bro, just chill out, Man,

862
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: can you just not have energy? One time? Bro, like

863
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: twenty four workouts? Bro, Man, I had one. One time

864
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: I went from I went to I went Houston, Phoenix,

865
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: Vancouver three back to back days, and did it work

866
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: out who and did you have like who who would

867
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: you work out against? Would it be like a group

868
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: with like other? Two? Guy talked to me, Hey, the

869
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: best work the best one ever was in Seattle with

870
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: Ron Artest with menta mea, Hey, this man was so wild,

871
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: crazy man. We had dinner with the owner of the gym.

872
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: He throwing he throwing out questions in the owner about

873
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: his private life and stuff. Right, that's the first time

874
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: I met this dude and said, oh he's different. Um no, man,

875
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: it was man. The workouts was great. Man like you, man,

876
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: I can't even remember all the will Avery and the

877
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: one in the couple level. What's our boy? That with

878
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: the d two do uh? George that was in with

879
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: the Lakers for Nevin worked out against each other in Houston.

880
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: Um too, man. Gordon Gearchek worked out against him in Phoenix.

881
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: It was it was a lot of them dudes. Man,

882
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: there was a lot of them dudes and it was

883
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: it was some crazy stuff. The craziest thing happened when

884
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: he was in Phoenix working out at the end of

885
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: the workout, so first we had to play one on

886
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: one against Frank Johnson and his old but out there

887
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: just still shifty. Give of people buckets, right, we gotta

888
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: play one on one against him. After we get through

889
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: chasing him around one on one, after we had argued

890
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: our workout, Danny A says, Okay, y'all get on the

891
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: line about the run. Okay, maybe doing a couple down

892
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: the backs. No, you gotta run for three straight minutes. Yeah,

893
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: so it's down, back, down back, just down the back,

894
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: three straight minutes. We're getting ready to run. He said,

895
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: all one more thing, here's somebody joining you. He put

896
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: his thirteen year old son in there on the line

897
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: with us. He put them on the line. We're looking

898
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: at him like we're going this man sprinting, hey, and

899
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: he making y'all look bad. He makes y'all look bad,

900
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: and you know we are in here like we ain't

901
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: eventually public. I can't remember exactly who was in there.

902
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: A couple of the dudes, it was like three or

903
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: four of us. Days just was like, forget it, man,

904
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: we can't keep up with just due And I was like,

905
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm not letting this kid beat me. Man. I'm dying running. Hey.

906
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: He could run forever. He could have ran forever, I

907
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: promise you. I he was so one. It was like

908
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: white you is just basically just trying to embarrass us,

909
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: just putting us in there and trying to embarrass us.

910
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: So so anyways, all this stuff was good, man, it

911
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: was all great. When it came down to it, after

912
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: I did my workouts, you know, I had it was

913
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: two teams. My agent basically was like, um, it was

914
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: Vancouver and Salt Lake was the two teams that said

915
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: they were gonna take me in the first round. Vancouver

916
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: had a number two pick. They knew Franchise didn't want

917
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: them to draft him. They were trying to trade to pick.

918
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: They said they were gonna trade to pick for a

919
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: lower uh a pick in the middle of the end,

920
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: get a veteran, and then they were gonna take me.

921
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: It didn't happen, obviously, they weren't able to trade it,

922
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: and then they ended up taking the ad to take

923
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: step they had to take Franchise and then, um, I'll

924
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: never forget the jazz they had like twenty twenty or

925
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: twenty one, and they basically the whole draft that they

926
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: on the phone with me and my Asian like hey,

927
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: we we we don't know what we're doing. We designed

928
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: between two guys, Roberto or another guy, Roberto or another guy,

929
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: and we like, you know, we we we, you know,

930
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: we kind of a stalemate. And they ended up taking uh,

931
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: your boy from Minnesota, the shooter dark skinning kid, Uh Quincy, Yes,

932
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: Quincy Lewis, and Quincy Lewis is the guy they called.

933
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: And it was like, man and that when that happened,

934
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I was like, shoot, I'm I was almost thinking like

935
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: at that time, I was like, man, I might not

936
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: like it might not happen. I might not get drafted.

937
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm at my grandparents house where I grew up

938
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: at forty Pacific and Tacoma house. Flew all the family there,

939
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: all my friends, everybody there, and we're like, man, it's

940
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And then um time starts to go on

941
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: and my agent hits me and he's just like, um, Detroit,

942
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: Detroit wants to take you. It was like maybe like

943
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: the third or the fourth pick in the second round,

944
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: they want to take you. He said, However, um, Portland

945
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: is calling and they don't have any pick, but they're

946
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: trying to they're trying to trade for a pick right now.

947
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: They really want you. They want you bad. They're seeing

948
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: you bla blah blah blah blah. Um, they're already basically

949
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: saying they're gonna you know, they're gonna guarantee you a

950
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: two year deal. Um, they got veterans, so you're gonna

951
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: get to come in and learn. You ain't got you know,

952
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: ain't no pressure. You know, it's older guys, this and that,

953
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and and Dead Left and all these dudes.

954
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: But they really want you to think you can play.

955
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? You want me

956
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: to tell the Detroit No, Detroit is a little bit different.

957
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: You know, they're not guaranteeing you anything. It's gonna be

958
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot of young dudes. You know, it's gonna be uh,

959
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, a battle making a team. Um. Uh, your

960
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: boy was there. Then Larry Brown was there, coach there,

961
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, this is this this this is

962
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: all you know, this is this could be a tough deal.

963
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to figure it out. And so

964
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: I said, man, Portland's it's right down the road. Blahlah blah.

965
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: You know I get to play with you know, I

966
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: mean I grew up watching Steve Smith, Like that's the

967
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: that's the man, so I and guarantee him, like, you know,

968
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: do it. So they ended up trading Atlanta where Atlanta

969
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: picked me, but they had already done the trade. And

970
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: uh yeah, man, when my name got called, I ain't

971
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: gonna lie man, I broke out in tears. Man. That

972
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: was like, I just I was not a good basketball

973
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: player when I was young. I didn't really start getting

974
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: good at basketball until like my sophomore year in high

975
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: school when I transferred schools and the coach that was

976
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: there took a kid that was maybe a little bit athletic,

977
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: kind of had some lent, but just was a street

978
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: ball hooper that just loved to play and started teaching

979
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: me like how to play, how to work out, how

980
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: to do stuff. And I started getting better than But

981
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: even then, nobody was like, oh, yeah, he's gonna be

982
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: the guy. It was you know, it was Mike d

983
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: it was Homer, it was those guys. And then you know,

984
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't go work out at Boise State.

985
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: It's Boise State. People started singing my name because I

986
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: was like, but it wasn't. The NBA was was always

987
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: like way off, like yeah, it was a dream, but

988
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: it was way off and so for all of that

989
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: have to happen and have my name called. I'll never

990
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: forget that moment. It was one of the best, you know,

991
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: basketball deals ever happened in my life. It was it

992
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: was special, man like, it was special. It was special,

993
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: no question, no question. You spent eleven years as a

994
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: pro c b A France and Italy, Belgium, Spain, Turkey.

995
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: What did you learn about yourself along that professional basketball

996
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: journey that you may can teach the next generation of

997
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: ball players. What did you find out about yourself as

998
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: a man as a ball player. Um, I think the

999
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: first thing I learned, and and and the most important

1000
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: thing I think for me as a person I learned

1001
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: was that I was way too close minded, a little

1002
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: bit arrogant, and a lot ignorant of what was out

1003
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: there right like you know how it is man we

1004
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: come from. You know, we're prideful people, number one, you

1005
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: know being you know, being our bloodline. But to being

1006
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: an American. You always think America is the best thing

1007
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: and the only thing, and this is the only and

1008
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: I think going being playing in all those different countries,

1009
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: being around all the different people, going and playing all

1010
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: these different places. I just started to you know, figure

1011
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: out learned that you know, we we were all different

1012
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: but were all the same. And it's just understanding, man.

1013
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's understanding and being open to stuff and

1014
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: not just being like this is the only way you

1015
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: do stuff or this is the right way or whatever

1016
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: it is. It's a whole lot of rights out there.

1017
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to find the best way, but

1018
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: it's a whole lot of rights. So I think that

1019
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: was like my biggest thing I just got. I learned

1020
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: so much about myself, like I said, of of of

1021
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: just you know, I think I was a little bit

1022
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: closed minded, right, Like closed minded and just not open

1023
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: to you know, what was out there. And I think

1024
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: that helped me to uh, you know, be able to

1025
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: just kind of just do whatever, man, and live whatever

1026
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: and be be grateful for for you know, what I

1027
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: have and who I am and be open And I

1028
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: think that helped me to learn so much more about

1029
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: not just myself but everything. That was one um And

1030
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: I think the second thing that was really big from

1031
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: a basketball standpoint, it was just it's all about being

1032
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: that being available and taking opportunities. Like it's just you know,

1033
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: be at everything man, like, don't turn down an opportunity.

1034
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: You never know when something is gonna happen come your

1035
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: way or when something's gonna come and if you ain't there,

1036
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: it ain't ain't gonna and it ain't gonna happen if

1037
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: you ain't there. So just just being available and being

1038
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: being their opportunities and enjoying it, enjoy enjoying the opportunity.

1039
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: You're not just there because you're trying to get something

1040
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: out of it. You're there because you want to enjoy

1041
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: the party. You know, you want to enjoy the And like,

1042
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be here on this podcast

1043
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: talking to you if it wasn't because I think, you know,

1044
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: whatever it was you and I whenever we saw each

1045
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: other competed or talk, you know, we hit it off.

1046
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: It was always cool, it was always love, was always understanding.

1047
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be that way now, and I think I

1048
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: have you know, there's a lot of people like that

1049
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: that I've run into, and his basketball culture obviously as small,

1050
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: but man, I got love for for everybody, and I

1051
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: feel like I hope that people do too, because I

1052
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: think I enjoyed people and people enjoy me when I

1053
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: around him. Man, That's some sound advice, bro, because if,

1054
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: like you say, if you're not there, then you definitely

1055
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: ain't getting an opportunity. I took opportunities, man. People when

1056
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: they told me to go to Qatar, and they told

1057
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: me go here, I win a championship. I'm in Qatar, right,

1058
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: they tell me it's right next to Dubai. This is

1059
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. So I leave December September eleven.

1060
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: Just happened, bro, And so they everybody looking at me

1061
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: like I was completely out of my mind. They're like,

1062
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: you going to the Middle East. I'm like, yeah, but

1063
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: they but they was offering some solid bread. Uh. And

1064
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: so I go over there, man. First year, we get

1065
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: to the championship, I end up losing the Johnny Rhodes

1066
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: remember Johnny Roads. Yeah, yeah, he played for Sauta Arabia.

1067
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Just dude hit the game winner on us man. Uh,

1068
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: So I missed out on my bonus. The second year

1069
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: we win to win the Championship of Asia, end up

1070
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: playing against j R. Henderson and Sham got in the final.

1071
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia brought them and the next year, so we

1072
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: ended up spating. I was playing. Was he playing in

1073
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Japan in or he was still in an here so

1074
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: so he um see that was oh one, so I

1075
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: think he might have been sniffing with Vancouver a little bit. Yeah,

1076
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: I mean he was still back and forth a little bit. Yeah.

1077
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: And then it was like yo, you know, Saudi Arabia

1078
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: was of from the bag back then. I think they

1079
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: was getting like fifty sixty for like two months or

1080
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: some crazy. So it was a bag. So they just

1081
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: had the bad game. But all that to be said, Bro,

1082
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: like so much so many people. I brought Stavee Bozeman

1083
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: out there with me to Katar, to Malaysia, but we

1084
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: had such a amazing experience, man, just lifelong relationships, amazing experiences,

1085
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: and nothing would have happened if I would have told

1086
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: Katar no, if I would have said, I ain't going

1087
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: to the Middle East. But no, that's some sound advice

1088
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: for this next generation. Man. My last question for you, Bro,

1089
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: I want to talk about just quickly, your current squad boys. Instead,

1090
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: you guys are in the Mountain West Conference pick fourth.

1091
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: I believe to finish in the conference this year. Just

1092
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: get coach, give me the outlook on this year's squads

1093
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: and players to watch four and just you know, talk

1094
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: about your squad. Man, It's uh, it's some talent in

1095
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: the building. I'll tell you that much. It's some really

1096
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: really good talent. We got a good mixture of some

1097
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: some veteran talent and some young talent. Um. It is, uh,

1098
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: the first thing I say. It's an incredible culture around here.

1099
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: These these guys, Coach Rice and the staff and the

1100
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: kids here have done a good job of, you know,

1101
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: just nursing an incredible culture. Like I love coming to

1102
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: work every day. Man, I get here earlier on here

1103
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: and then these guys just start coming in and Coach,

1104
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: let's get some work. I mean, it's it's a different

1105
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: deal when you get to when you ain't gotta like

1106
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, beg and plead and proke and prod. Hey, man,

1107
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: go work. They love it. They want to um and

1108
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited about that. Um obviously coming off

1109
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: the heels of the momentum that they created last year. Um,

1110
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, guys is coming in with some high expectations

1111
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: and and really really like really coming in, like, man,

1112
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: we need to be better than we were last year.

1113
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: We gotta win at least one more game. We don't

1114
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: need these one more game that's gonna lead to another one,

1115
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: so we gotta do it. Um. We got some new guys, right, Like,

1116
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: we got some new guys. We've got a couple of transfers.

1117
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: We've got some freshman guys that we're gonna expect from

1118
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: big things. And so that's gonna be the key to

1119
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: our season is how well can we get these guys,

1120
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: those guys acclimated to the Broncho way, and how well

1121
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: we can get them acclimated into understand and learning stuff

1122
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: and get that chemistry. The sooner and the quicker that

1123
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: we can get that chemistry and get them do jelling. Um,

1124
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: I expect big things from this team, man, And I'm,

1125
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm grateful to be a part of it,

1126
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: being worked with these guys. And you know, we had

1127
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: a good, good, good little reps this morning. We'll have

1128
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: another little um we'll have we'll do a little bit

1129
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: of a rep tonight this afternoon. So it's good, man.

1130
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: It's like I said, it's a really good culture. Um,

1131
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: not just even the basketball program, but even the other side,

1132
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: the admin. They behind us, the fans here like the

1133
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: best man. I mean, I'll never did. I mean, that's

1134
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: the reason why I went to boys You State playing

1135
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: for the Stampede so many times I kept coming back

1136
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: because you know, the fan base, the community here, they

1137
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: get behind you and they just I mean, you know,

1138
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: you feel, you feel it push. So it's a great spot. Man,

1139
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some big time Is it gonna be

1140
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: a big time, big time year? No, definitely, definitely, definitely

1141
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: what the state is on the map in college basketball.

1142
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: The conference, you guys playing its high level. It's gonna

1143
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: be extremely competitive with Wyoming, San Diego State, and then

1144
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the other these other teams

1145
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: they got that. You know, Colorado is kind of they're

1146
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: not in the Mountain West. Colorado State, Colorado State. Yeah,

1147
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: everybody got Everybody got better, so next got better. Nevada,

1148
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: Utah State. It's gonna be Aye. It's like you said,

1149
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: the conference. I just think people don't understand, Like you know,

1150
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: people that know, people that know who they do, they

1151
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 1: give they like man the Mountain West as a killer.

1152
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: People that don't know, I don't think they realize how

1153
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: high level of a conference this is. Man is shoot, man,

1154
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: we had four teams. She probably should have been by

1155
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: it got to the tournament last year so I mean

1156
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: facts fact. Well, Berto, Man, we appreciate you coming on

1157
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: the show. My brother was so glad to see you

1158
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: in college basketball, impacting the next generation of young student

1159
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: athletes for the greater good and for the betterment of

1160
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: their both basketball game and their and their character and

1161
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: who they are off the floor. Man, Thank you again, brother.

1162
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. I appreciate you. Man. Thanks you. All right,

1163
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna send you a Bronco

1164
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: shirt so you can take that duck one off. I'll

1165
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: keep you posted after this week. Hey, if it's free,

1166
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: it's for me. I will gotta do it. I will

1167
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: have it on the next show. Berto, all right, man,

1168
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen. Roberto Berguson appreciate you.