1 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: This is earning their Stripes, our show on the Fish 2 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Stripes podcast dedicated specifically to Miami Marlins prospects. I'm Eli Susman, 3 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: the Fish Stripes managing editor, and I think we have 4 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: a fascinating, feel good conversation on deck. A reminder as 5 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: we start things off, please leave a rating and review 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: for Fish Stripes on Apple if you haven't already done so. 7 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Each of those that we receive through the end of 8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one MLB season, we're almost there, but 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: each one we continue to receive on there is an 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: extra dollar being donated to the Players Alliance. More details 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: about that impactful organization at the Players Alliance dot com. 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: A general outline for this episode of ETS, I was 13 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: thinking about one hour talking about the gorgeous fish on 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the Farm rebrands that went into effect this week, and 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: maybe at the end a couple of minutes at the 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: end talking about actual prospects in the organization. How does 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: that sound to you, Alex. 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: Man, That sounds amazing. 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: I could talk about this for a long time because 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 3: alijandro Man shouts out to Alejandro Aras as he did amazing, 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: amazing work for us. Can thank him enough for everything 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: that he did, absolute master at his craft, and that's 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: why I asked for his help and it was kind 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: enough to do so. So yeah, I mean it looks great. 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: I'm really excited about it. So but yeah, it looks awesome. 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: Thanks for showing it off for us, and thanks for 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: having me and Daniel and I appreciate it. 28 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks you guys for joining me under these very 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: unique circumstances. As people might be hearing in the background, 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: I have some company at home. I won't go into 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: any more details on that, but that, of course is 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Fish on the Farms Alex Carver. He's here with me 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: to go through these breakoup prospects, and so is Daniel Devivo. 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Together they co host the Swimming Upstream podcast part of 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: Fish on the Farm, which should be available to you 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: wherever you're listening to us right now, So to subscribe 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: to that rate and review that. Nobody on the planet 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: does more to monitor and contextualize the state of the 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: farm system for Marlins fans than these two guys right here, 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: So thank you for taking the time for me. Daniel. 41 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 4: Hey, hey, Eli, No, thank you for inviting us. We're 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: absolutely happy to talk baseball and prospects. 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: With you. 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 4: It's really exciting. It's still I mean, Marlin's farm system 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: is still one of the best out there. So absolutely, 46 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 4: as I mentioned, excited to be here, and. 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: We're going to keep it with Daniel right off the top. 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: This is going to be pretty informal as we just 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: go through all these guys that we feel pretty significantly 50 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: boosted their stock during this twenty twenty one season that 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: showed ustuff we didn't already know. We're stuff that we 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: weren't really sure about. And the really the perfect poster 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: boyd for this entire theme of this episode would have 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: to be Urie Perez the right hand, a pitcher who 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: began this year with Jupiter. He moved up to Blight 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: by the end of the year. And I'll just hand 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: it over to you, Daniel about everything that we should 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: know about URI's amazing twenty twenty one season. 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: If listeners right now have ever heard any episode listening 60 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: to any episode of Swimming the Stream, you know that 61 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 4: I'm I'm just a outy bit as fanboy. The kid 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: is just amazing. 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: My quick story with him is that I was, you know, 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: when he was signed, I was looking at all the 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: players that were signed that season they were mostly hitters 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: with with Jose Solis being the main guy. Your repairs 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: was kind of just you know, okay, they give him 69 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: two hundred thousand. But then I looked at his size 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: and then what I've you know, what Baseball America had 71 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: to say about him, and I just he just you know, 72 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: he caught my eye and I I just did a 73 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: mental note and went on with my life. Six months later, 74 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: Baseball America ran a report that he was now like 75 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: four inches four inches taller, thirty pounds heavier, and had command, 76 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: had the mechanics. Fastball was like seven miles per hour faster. 77 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: And that's when I started talking about him with Alex. 78 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 4: I think it brought him up in one of our 79 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 4: first episodes. This was more than a year ago, and 80 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: he came into this season with Okay, he's never pitched 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: at professional inning, so let's see how he does. Probably 82 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: start at the complex, you know, see how he does there. 83 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: And nope. He was assigned to Jupiter to low way 84 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 4: as the youngest player in all of minor league baseball. 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: So you would expect some grow pains, several you know, 86 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: ugly outings, and no, that was not the case. At all, 87 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: he absolutely dominated Jupiter, and he did it with a 88 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: thinker and a four seamer that both sit between ninety 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: five ninety seven. I believe he touched ninety eight at 90 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 4: some point, a curveball seventy nine eighty one, and the 91 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: change up between eighty seven and eighty nine, all flashing 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: plus and all with his solid command. So he did that, 93 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: you know, just again amazing results for a while, and 94 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 4: right at the end he was surprisingly, not because he 95 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 4: didn't deserve it, but just because there wasn't much time left, 96 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 4: surprisingly promoted to Beloit and he went up there again 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: the youngest player at that level of course, and dominated 98 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 4: as well. I mean, just had solid I think it 99 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 4: was two or three starts, three three maybe just solid 100 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: outings and showing his maturity. And right at the end 101 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: of the season he made it to several top one 102 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: hundred lists. So I keep seeing some people saying that, 103 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 4: oh yeah, he projects with a as a you know, 104 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: maybe number three ceiling. I would say, this guy's a 105 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 4: limit with this guy. He's so good, spoken to him, 106 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: he's very mature, he understands where he is, and I 107 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 4: mean I feel he has it all to really really 108 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: become a star. So that's uh, I'll finish my monologue 109 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: right there. But but yeah, I'm definitely a Notty Betters fanboy. 110 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: And if you didn't know about him, please please read 111 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: up on him because he is a really big part 112 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: of our future. I hope it's our future, no trades involved. 113 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: My favorite stat that I only just noticed today his 114 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: home road splits. He allowed one ear to run at 115 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: home all here between Jupiter and Beloite one or run 116 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: in like forty something innings. 117 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: Just wow, Yeah, that's absolutely nuts. And the only thing 118 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it's a question mark because you know, 119 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 4: it's not something that he didn't do correctly this season. 120 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 4: But he's never pitched over I think it's five innings. 121 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: They never they never gave him a shot because obviously 122 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: they're trying to protect their young kid. So I'd like 123 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: to see what happens when he sees the lineup for 124 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: the third time. I want to see what happens when 125 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: he pitched seven innings. So we'll find out next season. 126 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: And what do we think they do with him, like 127 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: answering spring training, Like is it crazy enough that he 128 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: gets just invited to get his feet wet at Major 129 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: League spring training, because we saw them do that with 130 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: the draft picks like this past year with Eater in mccambley, 131 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: and we knew that those guys like weren't going to 132 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: be part of that. I mean, we obviously know he's 133 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: not going to pitch in the majors next year, you know, 134 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three et eight the earliest. But what does 135 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: that what does that look like? And is that really 136 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: like outside the realm of possibility? You think that they 137 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: they bring it to camp and just like have him, 138 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: let Mel stot him I or at least get a 139 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: look at him, something like that. 140 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: I think they invite him but don't play him, just 141 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: like they did with with Max Meyer and Uh and 142 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: Uh Eater and then several of those guys that they 143 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: did invite. So they just kind of bring him in, 144 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: have have Mel look at him, and have him kind 145 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: of talk to to the guys. I think that's that's 146 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 4: what they do to him. In terms of where he starts, 147 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: I'd say I'd say it's pretty safe that to think 148 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 4: that he starts in Beloit, just starts the air and 149 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: finishes up in Pensacola. What do you guys think? 150 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was probably gonna be. I just I'm not 151 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: sure because he did have I guess the very last 152 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: outing that he had in Beloite wasn't great, but that's 153 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: really nitpicking of before that, he had a couple of 154 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: these outings were like one hit in five innings multiple 155 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: times he had that no hitter through four and two thirds. Like, 156 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: it didn't really seem to change much once they did 157 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: promote him, despite it being at the end of the year. 158 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: I would guess things like reports the high A initially 159 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: you thinks so, Alex, I mean the jumped up to 160 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: double A as a nineteen year old, that would be 161 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of precedent for that. 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is the guy who has not 163 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: had a lot of precedent to him so far based 164 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: off of everything that. 165 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: We just said. 166 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: Starting at single A as an eighteen year old kid 167 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: who's never pitched an affiliated ball, and there he is. 168 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: So I mean he handled that pretty well. But double 169 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: A is a different animal. I think we can all 170 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: agree on that one. Yeah, But man Daniel said at 171 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: all this guy and I got to get props to Daniel. 172 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: Because he called it. 173 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: He called it all the way because mad when he 174 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: was first showing me his videos out of out of 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: spring training when he was pitching spring training and posting 176 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: videos on Instagram. You know, I like what I saw. 177 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: I liked I like the shape of his breaking ball. 178 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: I really like the fastball velocity, as Daniel mentioned, but 179 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: I thought there was a little bit to clean up. 180 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 3: I've mentioned this to you before in terms of repeatability. 181 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: A kid that size, you know, pitching in a pro 182 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: ball for the first time, you can expect that. 183 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: But man just flew out of the gate and. 184 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: Did it with a moment's notice, just cleaned it up immediately, 185 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: and his stuff looks repeatable. 186 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: He looks good. 187 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: The the effort is just about the same on all 188 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: of his pitches. 189 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: Handled the jump up to single advanced very well. I 190 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: do agree with you. 191 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: I think he starts there again this coming season, jump 192 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 3: up to double A. I say, I DIY go cautious 193 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: with this kid, and he's so young, He's got so 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: many years left. I mean, you want to see it 195 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: happen as quickly as possible, of course, but you know, 196 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: with the depth of the Marlins habit, I think they 197 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: give him the time and he spends close to the 198 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: full year in single advance. The only thing I will say, 199 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: as a single balling guy that I want to see 200 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: a little bit more ground ball. Hasn't really needed it 201 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: so far with all the strikeouts that he's had, but 202 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: the ground ball rates of being kind of so maybe 203 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: a little bit more ground ball is my only not 204 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: even complaint, just requests, I guess. But man, he's been 205 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: really good and uh just wow, just incredible. 206 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 4: Let's let him meet Sandy. When he meets Sandy l Gant, 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 4: I really show him how to get ground balls. I 208 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 4: was looking at the exact number here, twelve point fifty 209 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: k or nine between both levels. I mean, that's that's 210 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: an other worldly worldly for a for an eighteen year old. 211 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be the prospect that follows 212 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: that up, because nobody really stecks up to where he 213 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: was and where he's now ascended to so quickly. But Alex, 214 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: just give us any other breakout prospect that you could 215 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: think of in that general moment. 216 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: I know who Alex has. Come on, Alex, give us 217 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: your guy. 218 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: I mean, Daniel has his guy with with Ury, the 219 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 3: guy that he kind of had his eye on in 220 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: spring and before, and I had mine in Troy. 221 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: I mean, this is an older guy, Troy Johnston's older kid. 222 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: You know, he's definitely not eighteen. He's a little bit 223 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: more advanced. I think he's twenty four now. So yeah, 224 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: I mean, just the guy that what I really saw 225 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: in him, watching him with the Tavia, the little bit 226 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: that I got to see and watching his college video, 227 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: it was just a guy that was so simplistic from 228 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: the very start. I mean, it's a guy that stays back, 229 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: takes pitches, takes close pitches, is really able to work 230 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: his at bats at such. 231 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: A young age. 232 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 3: To two pitch, that's a swing and a drive deep 233 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: right field down the line and it's gone a grand 234 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 3: slam Troy Johnston and it's ten five Bolloy in the 235 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: eighth And I really saw it and said, you know what, 236 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: I want to keep on an eye on this guy 237 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: this year. And I mentioned it to a couple of people, 238 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: including you, I think, Eli, and definitely. 239 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: To Daniel Man and it happened. 240 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that it did, because we had 241 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: him on the podcast, Eli, and you've probably heard you 242 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: couldn't meet a nicer guy. Definitely awesome. I'm so excited 243 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: for him and his family. You know, he had his 244 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: grandparents out at like every single one of his college 245 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: games A Gonzaga. You know, it's it's just a good 246 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: baseball family, a good baseball dude, A guy that really 247 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: understands the science. 248 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: Of hitting and really puts it to work. 249 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: And you know, he made it show up immediately with 250 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: Jupiter got to call up to double or to single 251 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: a advance. I wish he got to call up the 252 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: double A that didn't happen. Hopefully that happens next season. 253 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: I think it will. But man, just just just a 254 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: really simplistic here. 255 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: All he was missing was the power, and he turned 256 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: on the power definitely this year and showed that out. 257 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: So I'm excited for that kid. Man has a positional flexibility, 258 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 3: moved a little bit to first base. 259 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: I'm excited for him. 260 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: If you want to talk about a guy that was 261 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: definitely under the radar to start the year and probably 262 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: still is now. I don't think a lot of people 263 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: have him raided. I know we do, but maybe not 264 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: a lot of other people. 265 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: I like him. 266 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: Man, good kid, good guy, good bat, and man I'm 267 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: excited for what he can do in the future. 268 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: Hopefully we see him in spring training. 269 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to see him before that. I think 270 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: you guys probably noticed, but if not, I'm sure a 271 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of people didn't that he confirmed that he's going 272 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: to the Fall League. He is one of the Marlins players. 273 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: That I do not see that, but that's good to know. 274 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: Wow, after playing the maximum one hundred and twenty games 275 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: this minor league season, this is kind of what they did. 276 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: I guess with like someone like Gerar and Carnacion a 277 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: couple of years prior where he played the full season, 278 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: but they said, we really like what you're doing, so 279 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: go on out there. So he will be in the 280 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: fall league. You, I mean, there's so much positive about 281 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: what Troy did. What I was curious about is about 282 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: his defense, because you did mention like versatility played a 283 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: little bit of the outfield during that first month in Jupiter, 284 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: and then he was pretty much first base only when he. 285 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: Went to the light. 286 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: What do you think of his defense? Does he really 287 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: have that flexibility as he moves up to the latter 288 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: or do you think he's going to be kind of 289 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: limited to first base DH type stuff. 290 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. His outfield defense, I don't 291 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: think was like horrendous. 292 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: It just it probably just didn't live up to what 293 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: you want out of a guy that you're looking at 294 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: as the lower level prospect. 295 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: You want to see every tool. You know. 296 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: They did give him a lot of first base, as 297 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: you say, So I mean, I think he still has time, 298 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: you know, to turn around. 299 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: Probably more as a left fielder than anything else. 300 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's good enough, man, And I 301 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: think the bat speaks for itself. 302 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: So I'm i'm I'm I'm optimistic on him. 303 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: I think the mindset is incredible. The amount of power 304 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: potential that he showed this year. You know that I 305 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: really thought, and I said to you that I really 306 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: thought that that was the only thing that was really 307 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: missing from his offensive skill set. So I think offense 308 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: first here definitely, and that's why I think the move 309 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: to first base made more sense for him. So yeah, 310 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: as a first base guy, maybe d H if that 311 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: comes to the NL, that could be a guy that 312 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: you look at and say, he definitely definitely has a 313 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: future with the Marlins. 314 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: So I really like him, but it does look like 315 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 4: the organization made a decision, right. I mean, he played 316 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: like eight games in the outfield in low way, but 317 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: then when he moved to to high A zero, he 318 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: didn't play one inning in the outfield. 319 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: In that outfield is so crowded. I mean, you look 320 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: at these guys that are coming up. That field is 321 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: so prouded. 322 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: You gotta have guys that are gonnave, especially to a 323 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: position like first base. World of Marlins don't have a 324 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: lot of prospects that are performing at least, so yeah, 325 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think they moved to first definitely makes sense. 326 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: To answer your question, he live, but I think it's 327 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: a move that he can handle nicely because the offense 328 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: has come on so well. 329 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: So I like it. 330 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, just to put the stats behind it for people 331 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: that aren't familiar, he hit three hundred this year. At 332 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: the very end, he got up to three hundred three 333 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: to ninety nine on base four sixty eight slugging. At 334 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: the end, he passed Griffin Conine for most RBIs in 335 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: the organization too eighty five. Revis even stole six bases 336 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: to go along with it. And when you just go 337 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: through his game blogs, he was so consistently good. There 338 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: was like a little road trip in Beloite, I think 339 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: two weeks where like during that stretch he didn't really 340 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: do much at all, and then everything else is just dominance. 341 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: He's just one of the better hitters that in that league, 342 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: of a league that obviously was playing at for the 343 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: first time, this being his first full length minor league season, 344 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: extremely impressive. And the fact that he has a Fall 345 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: League invite that's not nothing. There's a very there's only 346 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: seven guys that the Marlins can send out there, and 347 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: they're sending him for a reason because they want to 348 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: want to see him, see him against guys. Finally, his 349 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: own age, because that's obviously a factor too, that he's 350 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: been twenty four years old for most of the season 351 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: and when you go to the Fall League, it's a 352 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: little bit older competition, and if not, it's just certainly 353 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: more talented arms as well with nastier stuff. For a 354 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: guy that only at a twenty percent k rate even 355 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: while like doing so much damage, that's a really impressive combination. 356 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: And he's numbers sustained to bring it up. These numbers sustained, 357 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: and you mentioned it, these number sustained, and he played 358 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: a full minor league season. 359 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: It was across two levels. Of course, he started in Jupiter, 360 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: which is not an easy place to Hitt. 361 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 3: We all know that, and he made it up to 362 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: the snappers and man, it's just the guy who's who's 363 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: really been so good over the course of a full season, 364 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: and now he's going to get even more. 365 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: I think that speaks to his durability. Man. 366 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: I think the guy's going to be really good. Definitely 367 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: still under the radar. I think me and Daniel are 368 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: the only probably platform that has him rated. I know 369 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: Pipeline doesn't, and a lot of the other major people don't. 370 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: But I like this kid, man. I think you could 371 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: definitely make an impact for sure for the Marlin. 372 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: Do you guys say he's a top thirty right now 373 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 4: for the Marlins? 374 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: For me, yeah, on my personal list, I have him. 375 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: I could tell you exactly where. 376 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: I have him. 377 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: I have him number twenty nine at the moment, and 378 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: that is before there's gonna be a couple of graduations 379 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: on that too, so he's going to inch up a little. 380 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: Bit more from there on the end there really on. 381 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: Our end of season update that me and Daniel are 382 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: going to be putting together soon into the top one hundred, 383 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 3: he's for me, he's definitely. I can't speak for Daniel, 384 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: but for me, He's definitely going to be there, especially 385 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 3: as we said with graduations 're he's going to be 386 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: well up as well from where he had him previously. 387 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: But we'll make that update. 388 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: So both of our guys are going to be going 389 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: up for sure. But yeah, Troy, I definitely, I definitely 390 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: see him as top thirty. In my upcoming Top one hundred. 391 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: We are talking about breakout prospects and the Marlins organization 392 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: this year with Alex Carver and Daniel ta Vivo, and 393 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: we covered, you know, the two big dogs in there, 394 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the ones that kind of far and away for their physicians, 395 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Hitter and Picture respectively, really blew the doors off everything 396 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: we could have hoped for. But there are more. There 397 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: are a bunch more any direction you want to take this. 398 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: Daniel with another guy that really wowed. 399 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 4: You, I'll tell you one right now who really wowed 400 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 4: me and I'm really excited about. That's Ian Lewis, the Bahamian. 401 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: I really really liked what I saw. He really surprised 402 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 4: me this season. He was a guy who I was 403 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 4: expecting to be that typical, you know, fast guy, slap hitting, 404 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 4: just good defender type of guy. So what did he 405 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 4: do when he started his professional career. He just hit 406 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 4: five hundred slugging percentage in forty three games for the 407 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: Florida Complex League, eighteen extra base hits, and then still 408 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 4: showing that solid speed, low K percentage at fourteen point 409 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: nine percent again showing power with that fourteen point nine 410 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: percent K percentage and getting on base at a solid 411 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: clip three fifty four oh with a three point two average. 412 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 4: I mean, he really surprised me, and it looks like 413 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 4: he's absolutely going to keep developing. Yeah, so so yeah, 414 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 4: expecting a quick guy and ended up being a solid 415 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: extra base hit power guy. So what do you guys think? Well, 416 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 4: what do you guys see in him? 417 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I know that he has the blessing of jazz, Jazz 418 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: Chism Junior, both of them being from the Bahamas. Jazz 419 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: has kind of gone out out of his way. I 420 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: think in one interview I saw calling Ian Lewis's best 421 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: friends in the organization, everybody in there despite him the 422 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: big age difference between them, so that that's pretty interesting 423 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: and there are some similarities, and that being able to 424 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: hit for power in that small package is unusual. But 425 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: if you have the athleticism, if you have the quick 426 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: twitch muscles, to do it, and he showed he could 427 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: do it. Even you don't want to generally you want 428 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: to take those rookie league numbers with a grain of salt, 429 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: but when he's so young, even relative to the competition, 430 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: you can't help but be impressed by it. And yeah, coincidentally, 431 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: he's someone he couldn't be more different than, like Troy Johnston, 432 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: but he's somebody that is just a general prospects value situation. 433 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: I have them like neck and neck on my personal 434 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: list in terms of guys that as I said, they 435 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: couldn't be more different, but he does a lot of 436 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: things that you like. It's similar to Troy. You know, 437 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: when you really want to nitpick it, you look at 438 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: the defensive usage and you see that he barely played 439 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: any shortstop at all, like they were playing not just 440 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Jose Salas at shortstop ahead of him, but also Khalil 441 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: Watson and also Jordan mccantz and even other guys as well. 442 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: That they he got pushed to second base in favor 443 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: of those guys, which I think is I wouldn't say 444 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: it's a red flag because you could still be plenty 445 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: impactful as a player if you're like second base only 446 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: but just seeing that usage, I don't think it's a coincidence, 447 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: and it could be just, you know, a pretty firm 448 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: statement by the organization that they want him to just 449 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: focus on that one spot. So I guess that's one 450 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: other thing that stood out for me. 451 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, he got more third base innings and shortstop innings, 452 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 4: so you're right. 453 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, just talk about numbers. 454 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: I mean the FCL and these lower levels. They have 455 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 3: so many players at these levels, especially with middle infield, 456 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: and the guy got into forty three games. 457 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: It was one hundred and forty nine at bats. 458 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: I'm against the stats right now, and man, we're talking 459 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: about the lack of power, but he showed it a 460 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: little bit. 461 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: I mean ten doubles, five triples, three homers he hit. 462 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: Three zero two, three fifty four four ninety seven. Stolen 463 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: bases were there with nine, So yeah, I mean numbers across. 464 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: The board for that guy. 465 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: And he's still even though it's FCL, he's playing against 466 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: guys that are on average, just about two years younger 467 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: than him. He's an eighteen year old kid playing against 468 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: mostly twenty year old guys. So definitely a good first 469 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: showing for sure for Lewis and Man that would look 470 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: good for my I know he did your your your 471 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: dream team drafts, you know a little while back in life. 472 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 3: That would look good for my picks because I had 473 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 3: both Jazz and Ian Lewis. So it would be nice 474 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: and we'll see what happens. 475 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: M h what was Oh? Yeah, So for him, the 476 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: next step is pretty straightforward, you'd think, right, he starts 477 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: next year in Jupiter probably is their main second basement. 478 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: We'll see exactly, but but definitely just you know, bump 479 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: him up a level. 480 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And he he was in my list. He 481 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 4: was like neck and neck with with another kid called 482 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: Junior Sanchez who was drafted same season. It was Hostly 483 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: Solids and then Junior Sanchez Ian Lewis pretty much give 484 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 4: him the same bonus and then you know Awodie Pettis 485 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 4: and others. I mean that was a good that was 486 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 4: a good year. And Junior sound he was injured this 487 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 4: whole year, so he absolutely went, you know the other direction. 488 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 4: But Ian Lewis is in my top thirty, like probably 489 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 4: closer to twenty than to thirty because he projects to 490 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: be a really good player. 491 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: I remember seeing I think the guys that prospects live 492 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: are really high on him. They had him like fourteen 493 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: or something on their Marlin's Top thirty list. So that'll 494 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: be inturiging to see what we want to move a 495 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: little bit more quickly. I guess with these remaining guys 496 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: back over to alex with with any other other breakout 497 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: prospects that you want to highlight here. 498 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many, and I could go one 499 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: of two ways here. I could go either draft or 500 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: I can go with an international guy. But I'll give 501 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: you an international guy because I think this guy has 502 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: been so good at such a young age, you know, 503 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: from the positional standpoint, maybe not as far away from 504 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: Yuri and what he was able he has been able 505 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: to do at such a young age. But Kevin Guerrero, 506 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 3: Kevin Guerrero DSL guy, he was in this year's international 507 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: class or this past year's international class. I should say, 508 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: and man thirty six games DSL. Look at the numbers, 509 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: I mean two eighty one, three ninety three, twenty two 510 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: twelve steels, thirty thirty to twenty one strike out to 511 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 3: walks ratio not many homers, but seventeen. So body's gonna 512 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: come along. That's gonna happen, so let's just wait for that. 513 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 3: But man, just just number numbers alone really jumps out 514 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: to you as a guy that could definitely be an 515 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: impact player, and I think could be in doing it 516 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: at such a young age seventeen years old. 517 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: So I don't have the signing bonus in front of me. 518 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: Daniel probably can tell you that he's better with that 519 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: stuff than me, and looking up these signing bonus is 520 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: I think it was kind of substantial, if I'm not 521 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: mistaken just looking back at my history. But yeah, I 522 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: mean really really, really good so far, and I'm excited 523 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: to see how those numbers translate when he makes the 524 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: state side. 525 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: We'll see if that happens next year. 526 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if it will still such a young dude, right, 527 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: I mean born in April, so he will be eighteen 528 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: by the start of next year. Obviously a short season, 529 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: so we'll see. I mean, I think it definitely could happen. 530 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: But a guy that has made it happen for sure, 531 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: I mean in his first season pro as seventeen, So 532 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: you're excited to see stuff like that. 533 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely not one of those this random guys who 534 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 4: had a good season. You're like, oh, who is this guy. 535 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: You know they got him for ten thousand, now, not 536 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 4: at all. He was given the third highest bonus in 537 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: the last international signing period at at six hundred thousand, 538 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: only behind Yudi Cape and Ronald Hernandez the catcher. So 539 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 4: I mean high pedigree. He has a high pedigree, he 540 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 4: has the tools. He's I mean, obviously just like you 541 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: would like to see more power, but very young and 542 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 4: very projectable to grow into at six three and one 543 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five pounds, So sky's a limit for 544 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 4: this kid as well. I just like you, I do 545 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: see him. Why not, right? They put eighteen year old 546 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 4: Aodie Petties in Loway, they can put eighteen year old 547 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 4: Kevin Gerero at least Complex League, Yeah. 548 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: At the very least. I think he comes over to 549 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: the US and maybe he starts, and he probably starts 550 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: in extended spring training. Then they figure out exactly when 551 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: to move him or exactly how to go from there. 552 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: But I'm surprised that we made it this far and 553 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: his name didn't come up already. So I'm gonna bring 554 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: up myself with left hander Antonio Vallez, who it took 555 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: me a little bit a little while to actually focus 556 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: on him and to take him seriously, to be honest, 557 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: because undrafted free agent in twenty twenty, which is misleading 558 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: because that was a very short draft. It was only 559 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: five round draft. Certainly in forty round system, you know, 560 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: twenty round setup, he would have been selected somewhere. So 561 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: it's just unfortunate for him, I guess, to not have 562 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: that moment, but he didn't really let it, you know, 563 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: weigh him down. With the year that he had. He 564 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: performance wise, it is right there with kind of the 565 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: top of all pitching prospects in this organization for someone 566 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: that he started at at Boloites and then went up 567 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: to Pensacola and the performance improved after he made that jump. Daniel, 568 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: you could take it from there on anything specifically about 569 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: be Lez that explains like how he did this, how 570 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: he uh what ninety nine innings of a two point 571 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: five to five e er this year. 572 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 4: I'm I'm you know, I'm with you. You know, I was 573 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 4: pretty reluctant. I wasn't going to say is a word 574 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 4: because you know, like you look at him, you look 575 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: at this stuff. It's nothing crazy, but you know, they 576 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: he started as a reliever and they gave him the 577 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: ball to start, and he just never gave it back. 578 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: You know, there's several guys out there who got the 579 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: chance to do it but didn't do too well. He 580 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 4: never he never gave it back. And and you know, and 581 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: again his stuff isn't crazy like his kper nine it's 582 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: that around eight point fifty, but I mean the whip 583 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: he's not. He's not getting hit. He's not getting hit 584 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 4: hard either. And then to make that jump to double 585 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: a and and and get better, you know, double is 586 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: not an easy level. He increased his kper nine era 587 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 4: of zero point fifty. That I mean that sounds good, 588 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 4: right and uh uh again, just he lowered his average 589 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 4: against so all good signs we made. We did that 590 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 4: Meisner interview, and but we I asked him, like, who's 591 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 4: some like he named some pictures who have impressed you 592 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 4: and he's like, oh yeah, A V A V. I'm like, 593 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 4: A V A V. Who's eavy. It's Antonio Bellas. I 594 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 4: mean he's impressing his teammates. So we definitely he definitely 595 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: needed to be, you know, mentioned here because his season 596 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 4: was amazing, amazing. 597 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: I mean, some people are familiar with him from college. 598 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: He would did go to Florida State, and he did 599 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: pitch a couple of big games over there. But I 600 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: wanted to get some clarification from Alex on his stuff 601 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: because there were times I feel like you were trying 602 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: to hype him up a little bit as a prospect, 603 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: mentioning that he was touching the mid nineties with his fastball. 604 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: Is that it give us like a realistic idea of 605 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: what his stuff is. 606 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean from what I see and what I 607 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: hear on broadcast and everything else where, people are calling 608 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: out stacks up, particularly while he was with Double A 609 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: and we. 610 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: Heard Chris stragioa. I'm calling out his numbers. 611 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: He's like ninety three, ninety five, and he can go 612 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: a little higher with the fastball. 613 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: The slider I think is pretty good. It's not really. 614 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 3: Wipe out as Daniel was mentioning, I don't really think 615 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: he has that like true K pitch, right. I think 616 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: that's kind of what's limited his in terms of strikeouts. 617 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: But man, fastball sider combok's good. He's starting to really 618 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: feel out a change up. I think I think that's 619 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: kind of been a big difference for him. I say 620 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: that about a lot of prospects but it's always the 621 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 3: third pitch to come along, and for him, I think 622 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: it's come along pretty well. Good guy, man, I mean 623 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 3: I think he could be good in terms of the 624 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: back end starter at the very least. I definitely think 625 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: he has a four as a reliever from the left side. 626 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: So man, really good. I've really liked everything that I've 627 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: seen from him. Control looks really good. You know, can 628 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: get over the plate a little bit at times, and 629 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: that's when upper level heading is going to hit him 630 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: probably harder. We'll probably see that next year. There's only 631 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: eighteen innings at double A. Was really good, but I 632 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: think we got to see more of an extended stint 633 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: at the upper miners before we really say, okay, we're 634 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: we're buying into this guy's ceilings as an as a 635 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: as a starter. 636 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: But I think the ceiling is there for sure, just 637 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: based off what he showed this year. 638 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: Really good undrafted guy as you mentioned in the short draft, 639 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: and the Marlins did it again this year with other guys, 640 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: even in a longer draft. So a credit to DJ 641 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: and everybody for going out and finding these guys after 642 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: either a short draft or a long draft, masters of 643 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: what they do and it's exciting to see. 644 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: I really like Antonio. I think it's gonna be good. 645 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: I guess related to that because the same year entering 646 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: the organization, I did want to mention Jake Eder, who 647 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: instantaneously kind of like emerged as somebody that was so 648 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: much better than anybody had believed to be. He was drafted, 649 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: but he fell all the way to the fourth rounds. 650 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: He felt outside the top one hundred overall picks, and 651 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: so he's not top of mind at the moment because, 652 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, spoiler alert, he underwent Tommy John surgery a 653 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: few weeks ago that will keep him out all of 654 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: next year. But man, he was I think he's even 655 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: though he didn't even make it, he didn't even need 656 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: the whole season to break out. He was a guy 657 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: that was appearing on top one hundred lists even before 658 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: the season was over. Of course, he got that big 659 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: recognition as being invited to the Futures Game alongside Max Meyer. 660 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: Those were the two reps in the Marlins organization this year. 661 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: Meyer the first round draft pick, and then Eater being 662 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 1: the guy that I think people had concerns about his 663 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: consistency and his commands and a lot of concerns just 664 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: about his performance in college, which was very uneven, and 665 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: yet he comes out, he gets the initial assignment to 666 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: double A and his numbers were I mean, they were 667 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: even better than Valez's were, and they came with more dominance. 668 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: They came with more swing and miss stuff as well. 669 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: They came with dominance, especially against fellow lefties. I think 670 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: he held lefties to like a one hundred batting average 671 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: this year as well, So that I didn't want to 672 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: spend too much time on him just because he's kind 673 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: of on ice for a year, unlike any of these 674 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: other guys, but certainly someone that that was a great 675 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: story for this organization until you know, that's just what 676 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 1: pitching is. Sometimes it can happen to anybody. It can 677 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: happen at any time when it just blows out and 678 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: you don't know exactly what the next steps are. But optimistic, 679 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: I guess that with time they'll come back to being 680 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: the guy that he was early on in the season. 681 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, And of course, I mean I hadn't mentioned him 682 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 4: before because he's not really a guy who was out 683 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 4: of the top thirty and made that much a big 684 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 4: jump to me, he made a big jump from like 685 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 4: twenty to five or six. Right, he was already a 686 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 4: relatively top prospect, not as high as we thought, you know, 687 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 4: as he ended up being sorry, but I mean he 688 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 4: had to talk about his season is it's just crazy. 689 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 4: I mean, he got that twelve point fifty k per nine, 690 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: you have a two point forty eight FIP, which is 691 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 4: just crazy good and backs up his one point seventy 692 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 4: seventy ARRA. But apart from all of that, a fifty 693 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 4: point three ground ball percentage, so he also keeps the 694 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 4: ball on the ground. I mean, he is so so 695 00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 4: good that that breaking ball is just nasty. It's it's 696 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 4: so nasty. And after that futures game, I don't know 697 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 4: what happened, but he just randomly they only started having 698 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 4: they were only giving him three innings, and they did 699 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 4: that for like three outings or he just pitched three innings. 700 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 4: It was so weird. I remember, why did he pitch 701 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 4: three innings? That's sixty sixty you know, uh pitches. And 702 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 4: and after that it's just announced that he was undergoing 703 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 4: Tommy John So there's some story there that I guess 704 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 4: someday we'll learn about. But yeah, that that was heartbreaking, 705 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 4: you know, he's let's see right now, he is he's 706 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 4: twenty two, which is amazing, but he probably won't pitch 707 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 4: until he's around twenty four. So so so yeah, I 708 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 4: mean that that really that's a that's a tough break. 709 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 4: But he'll come back and he probably will come back stronger, 710 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 4: as we know with Tommy John and so for when 711 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 4: that happens. 712 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks for sure. 713 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 3: I mean we all know that. When we heard in 714 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 3: Newsy Live, I was really devastated by it. We got 715 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 3: to talk to him a little bit earlier this season 716 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: and everything that he was doing. But man, as Daniel said, 717 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 3: you could talk about Myers slider, and you can talk 718 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: about mccambley's curveball, but I really think that that Jake 719 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 3: Eater slider from the left side, how it just dives 720 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 3: away from hitters the way that it does, it's so incredible. 721 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 3: I really think that that's the best pitch in the 722 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: draft in that year's draft. 723 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: It's just so good. 724 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: And you know, he couples it with good fastball, good 725 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 3: moving fastball, good chain up too. So I really like him. Man, 726 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 3: it sucks that he went down the way that he did. 727 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: Man as Daniel said, is still just twenty two years 728 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 3: old and come back strong, hopefully by. 729 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 2: The time he's twenty four. 730 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: Also, as Daniel said, I hope he sticks around for 731 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 3: sure in the Marlins organization. 732 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 2: We know there's a lot of talk going on with 733 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: trades and everything else. 734 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 3: So man, yeah, it would be a guy that that 735 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: that I have no doubt knowing his mindset and getting 736 00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 3: to talk to him and getting to hear what he 737 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 3: had to say, that would come back as as as 738 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: advotageous as humanly possible. 739 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 2: And to get Tommy John out of. 740 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 3: The way early in your career. I mean, it used 741 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 3: to be like the kiss of death in baseball. I'm 742 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 3: sure you remember that. He like Daniel as well, But 743 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: nowadays it's kind of like it's almost like I heard 744 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 3: somebody refer to as this as like a rite of passage, 745 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 3: and I think that's really is true, that you know, 746 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 3: just to get it out of the way early and 747 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 3: get out of the way earlier in your career and 748 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 3: you can move forward. So I think that's the guy 749 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: that Jay could be. 750 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 2: But that breaking ball man that can go a long way. 751 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 4: For sure, He's never getting it, Nope, never would read it. 752 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's immune he's too perfect immune. 753 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, he got the. 754 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: Another reminder to people that as they've mentioned, as Alex 755 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: has mentioned a couple of times, is exclusive interviews with Meisner, 756 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: Cameron Meisner with Jake Eater that's on Swimming Upstream. You 757 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: can find that pod wherever you get your podcasts. There 758 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: are two more guests that just wanted to make sure 759 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: that we at least mentioned in here. One is the 760 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: man of the moments for people still following the major 761 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: league team. That'd have to be catcher Nick Fortes, who 762 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: is the first, I believe the first Marlin ever to 763 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: homer in three of his first four career games career starts. 764 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what the exact stat is, but he's 765 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: homered three times in his first week in the major 766 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: leagues that they're being called up. Spent a good chunk 767 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: of this year in Double A. Not we could go 768 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: through the hitting stats, but the fact that he was 769 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: paired with all those pitchers, and those pitchers performed as 770 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: well as they did, I mean that probably tells you 771 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: something about who he is as a receiver, as a 772 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: game caller with all the intangibles as well. Also had 773 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: just a very good year with his bat went up 774 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: to Triple A and as I said, just made up 775 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: to the majors. I think this is more of an 776 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: Alex guy than a Daniel guy. But maybe both of 777 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: you have some thoughts about Nick Fortes and just not 778 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: so much of a focus on his home run binge 779 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: in the major leagues. But he was certainly someone that 780 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: was not like the top catching priority in the organization 781 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: entry this year, and now maybe he is. Maybe he's 782 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: pretty high up on that list of guys that could 783 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: actually contribute in a positive way in the near term future. 784 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 785 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 3: You know, I got to know Nick when he was 786 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 3: catching in twenty nineteen in single a advance with the Hammerheads, 787 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 3: and he was catching guys like Trevor Rodgers, as we 788 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 3: all know. But Trevor just talked about him about how 789 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 3: he's a great receiver, and that was really the sentiment 790 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 3: amongst all of that staff. 791 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 2: They really really raved about how he's able to. 792 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 3: Receive pitchers, And I think that's really good a first 793 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 3: a good first step for any catcher, right, receivability, that's 794 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 3: what she really want, and he's very good at that. 795 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 3: The arm is kind of lacked behind that a little bit, 796 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 3: but I think it could improve here as he polishes out. 797 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 3: He did have an okay year with the arm It 798 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 3: wasn't fantastic, it was okay. So yeah, I think, you know, 799 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 3: as that polishes out, it could be okay, especially in 800 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: terms of a backup catcher. And then man and you 801 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 3: talk about it the offense. That's what's really clicked for 802 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 3: him this year. And he said to us the other 803 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: night on a media call with the Marlins that he's 804 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 3: a completely transformed player from what he was when he 805 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 3: was drafted. And I think that that's what you see 806 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 3: with the bat is just the ability to stay back, 807 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 3: huge power potential. Showed it in Double A, got at 808 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 3: the trip as here with the Marlins. 809 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 2: Big jump for him. 810 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 3: I'm really excited to see him get challenged the way 811 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 3: that he has, especially where he is in his career, 812 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 3: especially that he was coming up on Rule five eligibility, 813 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 3: which I always taken into hig account. He let you 814 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 3: know that. So yeah, really really good. I'm glad that 815 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 3: he's here. I'm glad that he's getting a shot. I'm 816 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 3: glad that the Marlins have finally started to show that 817 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 3: they're going to give these kids that have really earned 818 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 3: their opportunity, the opportunity at the major league level took 819 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 3: a little longer than I would have liked, but it happened. 820 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 3: And Nick has been really good so far in the majors. 821 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 2: I really like him. 822 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: And you, yeah, we only got a smaller sample of 823 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: this other guy coming out of the draft. The Marlins 824 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: draft class was extremely well regarded, mostly for what they 825 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,439 Speaker 1: did at the very top with Khalil Watson and Joe Mack. 826 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 1: But you go all the way down, I believe the 827 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: second to last position player, maybe the third to last 828 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: position player that they took from what was it Northern 829 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: Where did Thennett Hosteler go to school up. 830 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,479 Speaker 2: The North Dakota State? Believe that's what I thought. 831 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the oldest players in their draft class. 832 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: In fact, this pod is coming out on his twenty 833 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: fourth birthday, which is that's older than you usually get 834 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: from somebody that's just entering pro ball. The stats don't lie, 835 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: the exit velocities in Jupiter don't lie. And he is 836 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: the only Marlins drafty this year that already made it 837 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: up to High A and was producing in High A, 838 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: of course before their season ended. It's a small sample. 839 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: Maybe our opinions on him haven't changed too much. But 840 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: anyway you slice it, you know, the most productive player 841 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: that from this draft class during this first summer pro ball, 842 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: despite being one of the last players off the board. 843 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely as you mentioned, the numbers don't lie. He came in. 844 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 4: He was the year's Verdick, is what I was calling 845 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 4: him with with my brother, meaning that he just came 846 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 4: in after his draft and and just started mashing, kitting 847 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 4: power and and and for average and then you know, 848 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 4: getting on base everything just like Burdick did when he 849 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,479 Speaker 4: came in. And I mean, it's it's it's right there 850 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 4: to see four four ninety slugging eight p fifty ops, 851 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 4: one thirty w RC plus. Remember guys, listeners at w 852 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 4: RC plus one hundred is league average. These guy's at 853 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 4: one thirty, so thirty percent higher than than league average. 854 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 4: That's really good. Only kind of uh, you know, flying 855 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 4: you're in his Chardonnay. Is the K percentage the K 856 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 4: rate at at like twenty nine percent, which is obviously 857 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 4: pretty high. But I mean, if that's the only thing 858 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 4: to do he's going to work on, then he's good 859 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 4: because everything looks so good. 860 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I mean that guy. 861 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it's more like Bennett Hitsteler. That's what I've 862 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 3: been calling him, because the guy does his hit. I 863 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 3: know that's a lame pun, but I'm using it anyway. 864 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, really good. He's hit in Jupiter. 865 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 3: And to be able to go to Jupiter straight out 866 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 3: of a draft, I don't care how old you are 867 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 3: and hit three thirty seven, You got to say something 868 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 3: about that. 869 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: That's that's really special. 870 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 3: He also hit three home runs there, which is not 871 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 3: easy to get a ball out of that yard. And man, 872 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 3: it's it's not the biggest kid in the world, six 873 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 3: foot one ninety five and he's hitting three home runs 874 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 3: in Jupiter, Like, you got to say something about his 875 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 3: ability to get the barrel on the ball. It's really 876 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 3: big for Bennet Hosteller hits it hard. I think he 877 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 3: could eventually play multiple positions. I think he already has 878 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 3: played multiple positions. 879 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 2: Actually, I think shortstop, in the third base, maybe even 880 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 2: the outfield. 881 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, Maybe I'm wrong, though, I 882 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 3: think I remember seeing in the outfield once or twice. 883 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 2: So yeah, he's got the positional flexibility that the Marlins like. 884 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 3: Hits the ball hard and man coming out of the 885 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 3: i think eighteenth round of the draft, out of been 886 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 3: unheralded college. That's that's awesome, And that just speaks to 887 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 3: I've said it before, I speaks to DJ and the 888 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 3: entire draft team and how they're able to scout and 889 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 3: and and find these guys because again, as Daniel said, 890 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 3: this could be another even even on a lesser skulls. 891 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 3: I think Verdick was a third rounder. This is a 892 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 3: guy eighteenth rounder and he's already showing up. Yeah, really 893 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 3: really nice to see it. 894 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 2: Awesome. 895 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 3: I will never argue probably a day of my life 896 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 3: with a move that that DJ makes in a draft 897 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 3: in terms of long term projectability. So I really like 898 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 3: Bennett really good. I think he could be a really 899 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 3: solid player at the. 900 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 4: Major league level and the third basement. I mean, God 901 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 4: knows this. This system needs some some deaths at third day. 902 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,919 Speaker 3: And even like right now, like right now in terms 903 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 3: of middle infielders because like you know, past Jazz and 904 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 3: maybe one or two other guys, there's not a lot 905 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 3: of There's a lot of long term talent and guys 906 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 3: like Salas and other guys Lewis, but there's not a 907 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 3: lot of like right now, guys. So maybe we see 908 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 3: Bennett get push a little harder and maybe manage the 909 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 3: middle infields. But it definitely could happen. 910 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: I promised this is the last individual guy that I 911 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: felt we needed to cover just base. Yeah. 912 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you don't mention the 913 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 4: guy I have, I'm going to have to mention him later. 914 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,720 Speaker 1: Well we'll see. 915 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 4: Uh. 916 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: Well, this one this is based it's based mostly on 917 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: the stats. I'd say, sixth round pick in the twenty 918 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: nineteen draft. 919 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:21,879 Speaker 2: M D. 920 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: Johnson with one of the better nicknames, perfect like a 921 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: perfect material to come up with catching nicknames for. I mean, 922 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: the bottom line is he was unhittable this year with 923 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: Jupiter and then up to Blite a one seventy batting 924 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: average against over a sample of one hundred and two. 925 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: Things for this guy who as he started this year 926 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: as a reliever at the very beginning, and then I 927 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: guess there's some parallels to someone like Valleise and that 928 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: you know, they moved him into the rotation and then 929 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: he was just getting everybody out in the rotation and 930 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: they never really took him out of that, and they 931 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: pushed him up a level and kind of held his 932 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: own up there. Both of you probably thoughts on this, 933 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: but this is another guy that I feel is a 934 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: big ALEX guy trying to explain what is going on 935 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: with M. D. Johnson. Is he somebody that we should 936 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: really be paying attention to moving into next year. 937 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 938 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 3: You talk about nicknames for this guy, and I've called 939 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 3: him many things. I've called him the Doctor, I've called 940 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 3: him like a lot of other things on Twitter. But 941 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 3: I think the nickname that should really stick with him, 942 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 3: at least until his promotion to single I advanced this 943 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 3: wild thing. 944 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,399 Speaker 2: This guy was all over the. 945 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 3: Place, like the walks were insane, Like he had starts 946 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 3: where he would go like. 947 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 2: Five innings and walk to seven batters but only give 948 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 2: up like one run. Like it was crazy. 949 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you could speak to like the 950 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 3: terms of what I said before with Roger team being 951 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 3: so hard to hit at, But man, it was a 952 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 3: guy that. 953 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,439 Speaker 2: Was just so all over the place. 954 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 3: From pitch to pitch to pitch. He would throw wild 955 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 3: pitches and then he would come back and dot a pitch. 956 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 3: He would throw a pitch way out of the zone 957 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 3: that got blocked and then come back to just like 958 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 3: wipe a guy out like he was crazy to see 959 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 3: him throw in Jupiter, and I saw it a couple 960 00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 3: of times. 961 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 2: It was crazy. But man, it seems like he figured 962 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 2: it out at the single advanced level because the walker 963 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 2: is down, you know, walk right. I'll give you the numbers. 964 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 3: Walk right with Jupiter this year was seven point eighty 965 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 3: seven walks per nine, which is absolutely insane to think 966 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 3: that he's walking eight guys per nine innings and then 967 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 3: he goes to single A advanced and it's down to 968 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 3: three point ninety four. 969 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 2: So clearly he figured it out. You know, he found something. 970 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 2: He found something with the coaches, found something in his release, 971 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 2: found something with the stuff. We have to ask him. 972 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what it was, but man, just 973 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 3: just refreshing to see a guy at twenty four years 974 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 3: old that can get promoted a level. Maybe when he 975 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 3: wasn't showing his best stuff. I mean, he was doing 976 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 3: pretty well when he got promoted, but still had the 977 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 3: walks to him. 978 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,479 Speaker 2: But man, to see him go up. 979 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 3: And figure it out, even more so against against further 980 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 3: advanced hitting is refreshing. And I think Den Morles could 981 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 3: get something out of this guy. As he said he 982 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 3: as a as a back end rotation piece, and probably 983 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 3: pretty quickly, as I mentioned, twenty four years old. I 984 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 3: don't see why they probably wouldn't challenge him again, maybe 985 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 3: to start twenty twenty two and send him to double A. 986 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe Daniel has some other thoughts, but 987 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 2: that's what I think. 988 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 4: So, like, if you look at his numbers, you can 989 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 4: see that he's he's fighting with that stuff versus control, 990 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 4: you know, dilemma, because I mean he showed really really 991 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 4: good stuff at LOWA, and I mean again, it's the numbers, right, 992 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 4: forty two innings pitched and twenty two hits. Then right 993 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 4: there you're like, oh my god, what is this guy's whip? 994 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 4: You know, I mean, then you see the whip and 995 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 4: it's one point thirty nine and that's because of the 996 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 4: crazy walk rate. So then he kind of last two 997 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 4: or three starts of low ay, he started to get 998 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 4: a bit better, but his k rate went down a bit. 999 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 4: He got promoted because I mean probably Miami Brass was 1000 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 4: just waiting for him to solve that problem to promote him, 1001 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 4: and so they promoted him. And yeah, I mean, his 1002 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 4: his walk rate went down, but again his k rate 1003 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,879 Speaker 4: also went down, so I think he's just playing with it, 1004 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 4: and I'm really intrigued to see what he'll show next season. 1005 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 4: Probably yeah, I mean double A would be would be 1006 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,280 Speaker 4: an interesting place for him to start, but wherever he starts, 1007 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 4: I'm just really interested to see if he's if it's 1008 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 4: gonna be the crazy stuff, crazy walk guy, or is 1009 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 4: it gonna be the more controlled, not as amazing stuff 1010 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 4: M D. Johnson. 1011 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 3: So we'll see you talk about you talk about the 1012 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 3: k right going down just really quickly, like you talked 1013 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,879 Speaker 3: about the Carr going down, and it did go down, 1014 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 3: You're right, it went down to right around nine. 1015 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 2: But in in single A it was just at ten 1016 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,760 Speaker 2: point two. 1017 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 3: Ten point two, Yeah, I'm reading that right, Okay, at 1018 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 3: ten point two, so it didn't go down too crazy. 1019 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 3: So to sacrifice a little bit of stuff from work control, 1020 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 3: I definitely think that was necessary for this pitcher, Yeah, 1021 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 3: because he was really really all over the place with 1022 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 3: with his If you look at his pitch mapping, it's 1023 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 3: like crazy, Like you could go on Baseball savon and 1024 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 3: look at this guy's pitch mapping and his single A 1025 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,959 Speaker 3: starts and it was nuts about how all over the place. 1026 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 2: And as I said, pitch to pitch, so to see 1027 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 2: him figure it out what refreshing that. 1028 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 3: I think he could definitely be good as a back 1029 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 3: end guy or at the very at least as a 1030 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 3: multiple innings leader. 1031 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: Daniel, Is that the name that was on the tip 1032 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: of your tongue a few moments ago? Or was there 1033 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,879 Speaker 1: another guy that you want to see he wasn't. 1034 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,919 Speaker 4: There's one other guy that I just have to mention. 1035 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 4: He's my only other guy that I would say really 1036 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 4: came into my top thirty after starting this season, maybe 1037 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 4: in the top fifties maybe, And that's George Soriano. I 1038 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 4: mean had George Soriano. This is the guy who made 1039 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 4: a pretty big leap this season. Before starting, I had 1040 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,399 Speaker 4: him as an okay pitcher, you know, just that guy 1041 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 4: who could maybe make it as a milk reliever. But 1042 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 4: he just showed some great stuff this season. The biggest 1043 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 4: difference for me is what was just the stuff, which 1044 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 4: you know can be clearly seen in the difference in 1045 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 4: K rates from twenty nineteen and in this season. He 1046 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,479 Speaker 4: had eleven point fifty k per nine between both levels 1047 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 4: he pitched that which were loway and high as well. 1048 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 4: And in twenty twenty one again. Ze point fifty k 1049 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 4: per nine. That's that's really good compared to the seven 1050 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 4: point forty five kper nine that he showed at Single A. 1051 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 4: Clinton in twenty nineteen. So this stuff is there, our 1052 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 4: buddy Ian and earning their stripes legend here. He went 1053 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 4: to see him a few times at Jupiter and he 1054 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 4: just came back so impressed. Mid nineties fastball end of 1055 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 4: just a wipeout slider, like it really is a wipeout slider, 1056 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 4: and he perfected it between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, 1057 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,879 Speaker 4: and you can see it. He finished with a three 1058 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 4: point forty two E array between both levels. And he's 1059 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 4: still young at twenty two, So yeah, he definitely made 1060 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 4: a big jump on my list this season. 1061 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to bring up one more, and I'm going 1062 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 3: to be very brief, Eli, but Dan got to bring 1063 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 3: up one more, So I'm going to give you one more, 1064 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 3: and my guy's Paul McIntosh. Maybe not a name that 1065 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 3: a lot of people have heard of, but I'm bringing 1066 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 3: up Paul McIntosh. 1067 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 2: Undrafted at Virginia. He's twenty three years old. 1068 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 3: They sent him to i think the fc AL for 1069 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 3: like one game and then put him in Jubiter. The 1070 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 3: guy had six home runs in Jubiter in the old 1071 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 3: Florida State League ops of one point zero two zero 1072 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 3: So old for that level, yes, but coming out of 1073 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 3: an undrafted situation, just getting thrown into this organization and 1074 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 3: learning on the fly, I can't say enough for that. 1075 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 3: And I want to see that kid get a challenged 1076 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,879 Speaker 3: because man, he definitely showed some true power potential and 1077 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 3: he's a catcher. 1078 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 4: So let's go one home run every fifteen played appearances, 1079 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 4: So I will take that with a twenty one percent 1080 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 4: k rate, so it's not like he struck out forty 1081 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,400 Speaker 4: percent of the time. So definitely, Paul McIntosh is a 1082 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 4: name to know. 1083 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,479 Speaker 1: I'll have to dig into more of the statcast data 1084 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: during the offseason, but at a quick glance, I think 1085 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,840 Speaker 1: he was really top of the scale in terms of 1086 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 1: exit VLOT, Like he was the one guy that every 1087 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: couple of games he was hitting one hundred and ten 1088 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,959 Speaker 1: miles per hour and just for people to put into 1089 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: scale like that is major league average for like an 1090 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: average hitter, that's like Brian Anderson maxit exit below and 1091 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 1: for this guy that, like we said, just came out 1092 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: of college doing that that's really intriguing. And he did 1093 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: not just a catcher, but experimenting a little bit in 1094 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: first base and in left field right after he got 1095 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: moved up as well, so that versatility never hurts in 1096 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: case the catching doesn't really stick around. 1097 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to imagine, like where's he gonna stick? 1098 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 3: That's what you really don't know. I don't know if 1099 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 3: he can stick as a catcher, just because of you know, 1100 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 3: I've seen him move a couple of times behind the 1101 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 3: plate and it's not fantastic. 1102 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean, I think he's an athletic kid. 1103 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 3: I just don't know if he has the lateral movement 1104 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 3: for catcher, but definitely has a big league future as 1105 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,359 Speaker 3: a true power threat, because man, he's been really good 1106 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 3: so far. 1107 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 1: We could probably go on for another hour, but I 1108 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: think we'll cut it off there with all the guys 1109 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: that we covered our breakout prospects of the year in 1110 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: this Marlins organization, not just the names it you already know, 1111 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 1: but the names that you would know if you listen 1112 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: to swimming upstream, or they'll get the guys that you 1113 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,399 Speaker 1: would know if you check the box course every day. 1114 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,320 Speaker 1: For people that don't do that. We're happy to bring 1115 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: these guys to your attention, and guys will be following 1116 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,800 Speaker 1: certainly over the off season, we'll be prowling those Instagram 1117 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,439 Speaker 1: videos to see what guys are doing to stay fit 1118 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,800 Speaker 1: and of course heading into next year where the season 1119 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit longer than it 1120 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: was this year. So very exciting to see that with 1121 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: some of these players that didn't get a full season in. 1122 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna be hugely for some of 1123 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: those guys we mentioned at the end of the recent 1124 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: draft picks as well. This has been this has been 1125 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: a really fun discussion for the most part. We appreciate 1126 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: everybody listening to this four man conversation. Alex Carver, Daniel Devivo, 1127 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: Eli Susman and this cricket that has been outside my 1128 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 1: window all night and I wasn't able to get rid 1129 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: of it. That was one of the goals for me 1130 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: is to outlast the cricket and I wasn't able to 1131 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: do so. Hopefully the audio quality it is still pretty 1132 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 1: good and you guys enjoyed it. So this is on 1133 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 1: the Fish Strips podcast. One more request if you guys 1134 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: could rate and review the pod on Apple that would 1135 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: mean a lot, and we'll continue to have our regular 1136 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,760 Speaker 1: coverage of the Marlins and their minor league system throughout 1137 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: the rest of the fall. We're a year round show 1138 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: and we're happy to always find new angles that keep 1139 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,200 Speaker 1: you guys interested. So thank you to the fish on 1140 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: the Farm guys, and we'll have more content for you 1141 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 1: soon here and on fish stripes dot com and all 1142 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: of our platforms. Go fish