WEBVTT - Peptides, Ozempic, Lies + Health Hacks: What Actually Works? with Harley Pasternak 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.840 No one has all the answers, but when we ask 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:10.639 the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.560 closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.280 Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.800 together to challenge the status quo and our own ways 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.360 of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not? 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:29.080 And who says? 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:30.600 So? 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:35.920 Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:43.120 to question everything. Hello from New York City. I'm currently 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.680 sitting on a hotel bed in Soho because I'm here 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.000 for Tribeca, having the best week with AT and T 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.640 and covering such a beautiful program called Untold Stories, where 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.000 they give one point two million dollars to a filmmaker 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.559 to make their feature film. It's such an inspiring day 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.399 and week to be a part of, so I'm just 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.280 kind of riding high. You can hear it. Even my 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.640 voice is a little horse. I've been talking so much, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.640 so I want to get into today's episode. It's kind 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.480 of a departure for us. I don't do a ton 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.960 of science based episodes. The ones I do I'm very 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.679 particular about because I have a high bar for trusted resources. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.680 And you know, I'm a journalist by trade, and so 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:35.039 everything I share with you has always been vetted, and 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.400 my trust with you is very important. It's so important 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.800 that I don't break your trust. And so that's why 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.959 I'm very trepidacious and cautious about the voices that I 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.160 have on the show. And I've actually been thinking a 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.080 lot lately about this because podcasting is such an interesting space. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.480 Like when I worked in news, when I would do interviews, 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:58.320 it was about information or curiosity. I wasn't co signing 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.240 a voice, right, And in podcasting I sort of come 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.520 to it in the same way. Like people say stuff 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.960 on the podcast that I don't agree with all the time, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.239 and I'll either tell them on the pod or I 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.359 move forward, move on. And I don't think it's good 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.040 to agree with everybody. Like it's interesting to have different 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.200 voices on the podcast, different political perspectives, different thoughts, but 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.239 it's tricky because I always want to make sure that 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.720 I'm platforming people that deserve a platform, you know. So 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.000 anyways I say that, I'll to say that today's guests 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:36.400 is pretty special. If your Instagram or TikTok feed looks 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.160 anything like mine. It's packed with wellness claims. Peptides that 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.640 promise fat loss and glowing skin, and detoxes that claim 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.320 to remove heavy metals from your body, creatine for everything 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.160 from muscle growth to brain health. I even see people 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.760 like put potatoes or onions on their feet with socks 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.680 all the time, and people are claiming that helps. I 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.200 don't know. Every swite seems to offer a new shortcut 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:02.240 to feeling better or looking young and living longer, and 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.880 it's so easy to get sucked in. Kim Kardashian recently 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.840 said she takes around thirty five supplements a day. Do 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.840 you know how part it? It's just swallow thirty five 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.720 supplements a day and listen. I live in Los Angeles. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.200 It is the unofficial capital of wellness culture. I mean 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.280 a few years ago, when I was working at E 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.080 I remember sitting in the hair and makeup chair getting 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.359 ready for a show and one of the hairstyl is 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.840 swapped in and started talking about a shot that her 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.320 clients were taking to lose weight. She called it a 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.720 miracle drug. She wanted to get on it, and she 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.400 said celebrities were obsessed with it, and I kind of 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.000 rolled my eyes because I've not been a person who 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.560 jumps on health fads. I definitely did so. I was 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.760 definitely like part of the diet craze when I was 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.560 a teenager and in college, I was like really obsessed 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.320 with my weight. And that's a story for another episode 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.800 that I'm going to do. But I think most health 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.880 fads are like totally about capitalism. They're a waste of 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.520 money and a waste of time, and sometimes they're downright harmful. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.160 And that shot she was talking about was ozembic, and 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.520 people in LA were talking about it nearly a year 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.920 before the rest of the media started talking about it incessantly. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.200 And lately I've been hearing the same whispers about peptides. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.320 I don't know if you're hearing it in your corners, 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.479 but it is all over Los Angeles, and so I 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.160 got curious, and that's where today's guest comes in. Harley 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.440 Pasternak is a celebrity trainer, a motivational speaker, and an author. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.560 He's dedicated his life to helping people get healthy and 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.880 he really transforms bodies. He's worked with celebs like Rihanna 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.560 and MiG and Fox, Robert Downey Jr. But Harley says 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.480 that we're in an age of rampant misinformation. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:48.359 And ninety five percent of peptides that do get research 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.560 actually don't get FDA approval because they're not stable or 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.440 safe or efficacious. People are using themselves as human guinea pigs. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.840 We do live in a world obsessed with outcomes that 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.280 number on the scale, that before and after photo shortcuts 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.080 hacks miracle solutions. But Harley says, we're focused on the 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.440 wrong thing entirely. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.240 You cannot pursue success because success, much like happiness, must 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.120 ensue and happens as a natural byproduct of dedicating yourself 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.040 to a process. The more you aim for the end goal, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.040 the less likely you are to hit it. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.400 Now, Harley is full of common sense, he has a 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.080 science backed approach, and he's a person of integrity. You're 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.320 going to hear in this episode that he turned down 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.440 doing The Biggest Loser back in the day because he 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.919 thought people were going to get hurt. I love hearing 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.599 that story from him. I think you will too. But 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.840 we're going to get into it all today, including Harley's 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.280 unfiltered takes on all of the most viral health claims 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:46.200 out there. Right now, I asked about peptides, fibermaxing, microdosing, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.920 ozepic and so much more, everything that's been in the 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.080 zeitgeist in la I asked him about. So today, the 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.719 big question we're circling is, in a world full of 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.960 shortcuts and hacks and miracle solutions, what actually works. It's 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:06.360 time to question everything with Harley Pasternak. So, Harley, peptides 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.120 feel like they're the health version of AI. Right now, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.880 everyone is talking about them, everyone wants to know if 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.560 they should be using them, and everyone is afraid of 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:15.240 falling behind. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.080 So I have a million pep tide questions. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.200 Yes, yeah, okay, are peptides actually changing the future of health? 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:26.240 I would say that if you include insulin as a peptide, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.479 it already changed health. It probably is one of the 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.080 most important medical breakthroughs in medical history, discovered by Banting 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.800 and Best at the University of Toronto at the turn 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.800 of the century. It used to be if you had 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.719 type one diabetes, you would die. Luckily, we found insulin 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.440 and we isolated it. And both of my brothers have 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.960 type one diabetes and they're here and alive and well 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.880 to annoy the hell out of me every day. So 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.840 that would be considered a peptide. Glp onesjtpglp ones, glogle 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.480 gun those are considered a peptide, so we go vio 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:01.360 zempic manjaro zep bound. That's probably the biggest medical innovation 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.240 since the polio vaccine. May be really seeing is that 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:11.120 obesity is the number one lifestyle factor associated with mortality 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.640 and morbidity in the Western world, and we now have 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.720 a treatment, a very effective, relatively safe treatment for obesity. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.960 But I think all these other peptides you're hearing about, 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.160 these bpcs and all of these other ones, you know, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.040 these have not been tested on humans, and if they have, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.440 it's a group of five people, so they're minimal to 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.640 no research at all on these. You're seeing most of 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.320 these being sold on social media longevity doctors, which is 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.680 actually not a field of medicine. I think it's the 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.880 wild wild West. And you know, ninety five percent of 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.840 peptides that do get research actually don't get FDA approval 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.080 because they're not stable or safe or efficacious. And so 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.720 when actually they do get properly tested, ninety five percent 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.520 of these things don't even make it, and so people 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.480 are using themselves as human guinea pigs. You know, one 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.280 of them makes your skin handed, and one of them 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.040 theoretically helps with recovery, and one of them theoretically helps 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.680 with body composition, metabolism, erectal function. We don't know if 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.480 they really do, and we don't know to what extent 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.360 they do, and we don't know if they're safe, and 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.040 we don't know where they're made because there's no regulations 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:19.960 to the places that they're made, and a lot of 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.160 this stuff is coming from China and overseas. Recently, there 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.160 was a study that looked at peptides being sold online 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.320 and through compounding agencies in the United States, and they 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.480 found that over fifty percent of them did not have 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.200 what they claimed to have inside and had contaminants and 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.720 dangerous components to them. So is there potential in the 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.640 future for there to be up peptide or peptides that 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.400 are proven to be safe that we know what dose 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.400 you're supposed to be taking. I mean, these are essentially drugs. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.000 They're signaling agents. You know, insulin is a drug. Even 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.080 though it's a hormone, it's a drug when you buy it. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.360 It's a pharmaceutical. There's a lot of conspiracy theorists out 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.920 there who say, you know, Big Pharma doesn't want you 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.880 to know about these because they can't patent them. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.280 That's all over my TikTok. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.600 You can patent these. There's a lot of drug companies 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.400 making a lot of money off of ozempic and Manjarro 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.439 and Wegovi, and is that bound a lot of money? 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.080 You have people now that are trying to take reddit 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.560 true Tide, which is the only one of those that 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.840 does not have FDA approval yet is not done the trials. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.360 We don't know definitively yet to what extent it is 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.880 safe and stable. We know that it can help you 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.600 lose weight, maybe even a little bit more than zet bound, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.160 but we also know some of that might be coming 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.200 from muscle. So what's wrong with zet bound, which we 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.360 know a lot about, what's wrong with the Manjarro we Govi. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.680 These things heavily researched. Contemporary Mining, University of Toronto. Dan 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.320 Drucker helped invent ozempic. He will probably win the Nobel 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.360 Prize this year for medicine. So we know a lot, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.240 but we don't know a lot. And I think to 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.840 taste yourself to test drugs on your body that have 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.880 not been tested properly, have not been researched, don't have 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.920 safety levels, efficacy levels, manufacturing standard guideline, and I think 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.080 is risky to put it mildly. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.840 Have you heard people make the argument that so much 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.240 of what we use is not FDA approved. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.000 Let's look outside of the United States. These things are 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.400 not legal anywhere in the world. There's nowhere in the 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.280 world that these are legalized for human consumption, not for 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.000 research purposes, not for veterinarian purposes, nowhere forget about the FDA. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.760 I mean, I'm from a country that has socialized medicine, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.640 which is not driven by profit. So really, whatever is 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.959 the best for people is what's available. It's not legal 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.800 there either. You look at any of the countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.280 these countries with socialized medicine PEPTI, they're not legal there, 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:40.800 like the ones that are being sold here in the 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.800 wild wild West. So if you don't trust the FDA, 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.400 that's fine, that's your choice. But who do you trust 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.439 and where is it legal and where is it being 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:49.120 used safely? 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.600 I actually feel a lot of calm hearing you say this, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.920 because truly, all over my social media feed and in 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.520 my real life because in LA people are usually like 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.160 a few years ahead of the rest of the country 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.040 in terms of what they're doing for their health or 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.360 their beauty. I have three friends taking GHKCU, which is 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.800 apparently a skin, hair and nails miracle. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.800 They look the same theoretically, theoretically, I haven't. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:15.840 Seen anything change, right. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.000 I have two friends on nad's which really scares me 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.160 because it does nothing. Well, I heard that, and please 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.800 tell me if I'm wrong, But I heard that if 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.600 you have bad cells in your body, it can speed 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.520 up the amount of bad cells that you have. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.920 Sow me. Any research to show that that helps human 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.960 beings in any way doesn't exist. Wow, And you know 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.320 what we can do? This is a fun game. Yeah, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.120 you know. You can go to chatch EPD, you can 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.760 go to Claude, you can go to PubMed, the National 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.680 Library Medicine a database. You can get all these and 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.160 you can ask and this, Sorry, there is no research 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.160 to show any scientific support on human beings with NAD 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.360 at all. And then you'll tell that to someone and 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.640 they're just like, you can't believe chatch ept. You can't 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.520 believe the National Library medicine or dat. Well, then who 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.360 do you believe? Why do you think that works well? 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.559 Because my doctor told me, Okay, what is your doctor 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.880 trained in. He's a chiropractor, or he's an osteopath, or 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.200 he's a dentist, or he's any field you know that 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:10.960 is not trained in this. So I think it's a 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.559 difficult thing, and I think people will be upset when 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.680 I say these things. It's not a personal attack on someone, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.080 but the way we look at health today, medicine and 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:25.719 science today is very politicized since COVID. I think some 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.480 people were very unhappy with how certain governments handled COVID, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.880 whether it be lockdowns or creating laws or rules that 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.719 they didn't like and that you know, maybe in retrospect 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.800 we went too far for certain things. Maybe they didn't 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.640 like the vaccine. But you know, I spoke to someone 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.520 the other day at a lunch, a nice man, and 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.400 he's like, well, you know, the COVID vaccine killed more 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.199 people than cancer, and I just where did you get 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.160 that number from. He's like, what's a fact? I said, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.240 show me where that number? Where's that? That's such a 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.080 I have three of my best friends died from the 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.199 COVID vaccine. I was like, so you realize at a 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.240 certain point you can't have a lotical ethical conversation with 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.280 someone who's emotional and passionate about something like it's like 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.800 talking about religion with someone. So I'm really grounded. I 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.199 have no I'm not being paid by any pharma. I'm 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.000 not being paid by anyone to say what I'm saying. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.920 I'm really believing fundamentals. I believe in safety. And I 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.199 would say, would you want would you give it to 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.040 your kids? Would your friend taking the GLK two civer 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.040 would they would they give that to their kids or 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.319 their nieces or their nephews. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:23.840 A great question to ask yourself. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.400 I'm going to say ninety nine times out of one 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.520 hundred to say, well, of course not? Why? Why not? 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.560 What do you think most people think peptides are versus 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:33.720 what they actually are. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.400 So we know it's interesting. We there's a lot of 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.440 research that looks at people's knowledge of the supplements and 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.040 gray market pharmaceuticals they take what do you know? Do 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.440 you take creating? Okay, if you ask someone do you 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.079 take creating? If they say yes, what is creating? 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:51.760 All I know is it's good for your brain. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.679 Three percent of people who take creating can explain to 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.880 you what creating is. We are so blindly just doing 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.520 what someone TikTok sad us or what someone on social 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.720 media bombards us, and then we're in that echo chamber 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.959 and then we just hear more that reinforces the things 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.040 that we want to know about and hear and believe in. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.240 And it's not a knock on creating, but it's the 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.640 fact that we don't even know why we're doing things. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.240 We don't know if there's research to support it or not. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.960 Your intern is you're a doctor that you see Yeah, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.360 where did they go to medical school? 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:22.640 No idea, you don't know. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.360 Have you seen their degree? Yes, it's on a wall. Yeah, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.640 how do you know they didn't print it up? Have 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.960 you ever gone online to check to see if they're 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.440 a medical doctor? Again, I'm taking it to an extreme 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.360 to prove a point is that most of us just 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:37.200 believe what we're told. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:43.120 WHOA. Yeah, that's so interesting because my ethos in life 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.880 is to question everything, and you're right, I'm not even 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.960 questioning enough. I think there's always been a plastic surgery culture, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.440 a diet culture, and different ways that people chase the 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.200 body that they think that they want. But GLP ones 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.960 have really taken over the conversation in the last year. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.240 Why do you think these meds hit such a cultural nerve. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.040 I was so against GLP ones for a long time, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.480 not the diabetic use of them, but the weight loss 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.320 use of them. I was so against it. If you 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.880 were to question me why I was against it, I 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.520 don't think I had an answer. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.360 Just that it's not natural. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.000 No, in my mind, it was cheating. In my mind, 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.880 in order to be healthy and lose weight, there's a 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:32.040 certain amount of willpower you need and dedication and following 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.600 up a system. And I couldn't put into words, but 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.160 you know, clients are like, should I try them? No, No, 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.200 you don't want to Just do these things and you'll 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.320 be fine. Just eat well and exercise and eat this 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.400 recipe and do all that stuff and go to betterly 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.240 and you'll you don't need it, right. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.040 You've written like four books about what you can do 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.040 nine nine. Oh my god. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.640 And then it dawned upon me one day that I 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.560 didn't have an answer, and it was just this idea, Well, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.680 you're cheating, that you're cheating. What does that even me? 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.920 You're cheating. It's like I have an electric car and 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.440 head a self driving and people that are purests of 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.920 automobile driving, like, how do you let that thing drive 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.600 you around? Like don't you want to have control of 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.240 the car and fuel the engine? And like once you 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.000 self drive, you never will not self drive again. We 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.560 now have This is the self driving of weight loss. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.520 There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing unethical or wrong 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.160 about it. I think it's not for everyone, but I 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.200 think it's going to extend more lives than any medical 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:30.640 breakthrough we've had in decades. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.120 Have you heard about people micro dosing glp ones? I have, Yeah, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:35.120 what do you think about that? 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.960 I think the people that are micro dosing golp ones 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.000 are generally the ones I know of, are not the 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.480 ones who need golp ones. They end up being a 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.240 little too skinny. I think you become that dose is 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.040 sometimes a subclinical dose and doesn't think it's too low 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.560 of a dose to actually make a difference to for 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.000 some people. You know, a lot of these doses you 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.160 start off with two point five is the first dose 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.640 on we go be mandaro and ze bound on all them, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.640 and they give you that dose just to see to 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.560 get you used to the medication, but they immediately want 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.240 to bring it up to five or seven and a half. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.960 If you're staying on a one point twenty five dose 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.080 of these, it's probably not enough to do much for 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.600 most people, and you quickly habituate to it for a 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.040 lot of people. But there's a lot of physicians smarter 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.280 than I am who specialize specifically in that and can 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:22.600 tell you more about the dosage. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.600 What do you think people misunderstand about the body when 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.560 they think that appetite control equals health. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:37.359 We are incredibly similar to our prehistoric ancestors, and for 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.520 thousands and thousands and thousands of years we had a 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.439 food shortage. We had more demand for food than there 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.800 was food available to us. And it wasn't long ago 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.320 that our great grandparents would have to farm and get 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.080 food and grow their food, and it wasn't so easy. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.960 There was not an abundance. It's really only been in 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:59.000 the last sixty seventy years eighty years that we have 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.160 more food than we need. But the way our minds work, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:07.080 our primitive drives, is like still the same way it 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.040 was thousands of years ago for a lot of people. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.720 So when we see food, we eat food because we 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.359 don't know when we're going to get food again. Next 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.360 someone puts food in front of you. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:15.480 You really that primitive? 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.400 Yeah, you don't necessarily have to be hungry to eat, right, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.520 And so I think drugs like these GLP ones, when 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.120 someone says they really help with food noise, I think 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.600 what it's doing is sort of offsetting these primitive drives 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.760 where if there's food around, we're going to eat it, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.840 whether we're happy or sad, or hungry or not hungry 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.960 or bored, especially boredom. You know, we eat. And so 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.760 that's what's different. We have food everywhere. Now you can 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.680 go on your phone and order any food from the world. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.240 You used to have to go to Italy to get 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.000 Italian food, you'd have to go to JAPANI get Japanese food. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.280 Now you order on your thing, someone's going to bring 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.440 it to you right here with chopsticks and soy sauce, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:53.480 and you can eat it in your chair. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:19:07.680 Yeah. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.280 I'm thirty five. So I grew up as like a 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.119 lot of the reality shows were weight loss shows. Do 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:19.520 you think that those warped are ideas about health and 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.920 body transformation? They're not as popular anymore. 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.800 I think those weight loss shows were so bad for people. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.760 I mean it gave people orthorexia, gave people all kinds 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.520 of health issues. The Biggest Loser was originally I was 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.320 the star of The Biggest Loser. It was for me. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.879 They came to me to be in the show, and 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.440 the more I learned about the show, I thought, this 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.679 is not a good idea, Like people are going to 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.800 get hurt. People are you know, could potentially die. You know, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.680 you're taking obese people that are deconditioned and you're having 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:53.520 them do extreme physical things and you're gamifying dieting for them, 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.160 and it's just that doesn't seem good. And then they 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.399 cast another trainer opposite me who wasn't who had no 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.520 background in the field. I think they were an assistant 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.720 to someone at a one of the talent agencies, and 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.160 they're like, it's going to be great. They're opposite. You're 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.160 you know, you're very science based, and you know, I've 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:11.960 been doing this for a long time. And they scream 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:13.320 and they yell, and they're rough and tough and you'll 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.920 play off each other. And I just sent him out. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.800 Someone's going to get hurt and I don't think this 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:19.520 is really good. I think the messaging is really bad. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:20.880