Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
Speaker 2: And who says?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time
Speaker 1: to question everything. Hello from New York City. I'm currently
Speaker 1: sitting on a hotel bed in Soho because I'm here
Speaker 1: for Tribeca, having the best week with AT and T
Speaker 1: and covering such a beautiful program called Untold Stories, where
Speaker 1: they give one point two million dollars to a filmmaker
Speaker 1: to make their feature film. It's such an inspiring day
Speaker 1: and week to be a part of, so I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of riding high. You can hear it. Even my
Speaker 1: voice is a little horse. I've been talking so much,
Speaker 1: so I want to get into today's episode. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a departure for us. I don't do a ton
Speaker 1: of science based episodes. The ones I do I'm very
Speaker 1: particular about because I have a high bar for trusted resources.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a journalist by trade, and so
Speaker 1: everything I share with you has always been vetted, and
Speaker 1: my trust with you is very important. It's so important
Speaker 1: that I don't break your trust. And so that's why
Speaker 1: I'm very trepidacious and cautious about the voices that I
Speaker 1: have on the show. And I've actually been thinking a
Speaker 1: lot lately about this because podcasting is such an interesting space.
Speaker 1: Like when I worked in news, when I would do interviews,
Speaker 1: it was about information or curiosity. I wasn't co signing
Speaker 1: a voice, right, And in podcasting I sort of come
Speaker 1: to it in the same way. Like people say stuff
Speaker 1: on the podcast that I don't agree with all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'll either tell them on the pod or I
Speaker 1: move forward, move on. And I don't think it's good
Speaker 1: to agree with everybody. Like it's interesting to have different
Speaker 1: voices on the podcast, different political perspectives, different thoughts, but
Speaker 1: it's tricky because I always want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I'm platforming people that deserve a platform, you know. So
Speaker 1: anyways I say that, I'll to say that today's guests
Speaker 1: is pretty special. If your Instagram or TikTok feed looks
Speaker 1: anything like mine. It's packed with wellness claims. Peptides that
Speaker 1: promise fat loss and glowing skin, and detoxes that claim
Speaker 1: to remove heavy metals from your body, creatine for everything
Speaker 1: from muscle growth to brain health. I even see people
Speaker 1: like put potatoes or onions on their feet with socks
Speaker 1: all the time, and people are claiming that helps. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Every swite seems to offer a new shortcut
Speaker 1: to feeling better or looking young and living longer, and
Speaker 1: it's so easy to get sucked in. Kim Kardashian recently
Speaker 1: said she takes around thirty five supplements a day. Do
Speaker 1: you know how part it? It's just swallow thirty five
Speaker 1: supplements a day and listen. I live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It is the unofficial capital of wellness culture. I mean
Speaker 1: a few years ago, when I was working at E
Speaker 1: I remember sitting in the hair and makeup chair getting
Speaker 1: ready for a show and one of the hairstyl is
Speaker 1: swapped in and started talking about a shot that her
Speaker 1: clients were taking to lose weight. She called it a
Speaker 1: miracle drug. She wanted to get on it, and she
Speaker 1: said celebrities were obsessed with it, and I kind of
Speaker 1: rolled my eyes because I've not been a person who
Speaker 1: jumps on health fads. I definitely did so. I was
Speaker 1: definitely like part of the diet craze when I was
Speaker 1: a teenager and in college, I was like really obsessed
Speaker 1: with my weight. And that's a story for another episode
Speaker 1: that I'm going to do. But I think most health
Speaker 1: fads are like totally about capitalism. They're a waste of
Speaker 1: money and a waste of time, and sometimes they're downright harmful.
Speaker 1: And that shot she was talking about was ozembic, and
Speaker 1: people in LA were talking about it nearly a year
Speaker 1: before the rest of the media started talking about it incessantly.
Speaker 1: And lately I've been hearing the same whispers about peptides.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're hearing it in your corners,
Speaker 1: but it is all over Los Angeles, and so I
Speaker 1: got curious, and that's where today's guest comes in. Harley
Speaker 1: Pasternak is a celebrity trainer, a motivational speaker, and an author.
Speaker 1: He's dedicated his life to helping people get healthy and
Speaker 1: he really transforms bodies. He's worked with celebs like Rihanna
Speaker 1: and MiG and Fox, Robert Downey Jr. But Harley says
Speaker 1: that we're in an age of rampant misinformation.
Speaker 4: And ninety five percent of peptides that do get research
Speaker 4: actually don't get FDA approval because they're not stable or
Speaker 4: safe or efficacious. People are using themselves as human guinea pigs.
Speaker 1: We do live in a world obsessed with outcomes that
Speaker 1: number on the scale, that before and after photo shortcuts
Speaker 1: hacks miracle solutions. But Harley says, we're focused on the
Speaker 1: wrong thing entirely.
Speaker 4: You cannot pursue success because success, much like happiness, must
Speaker 4: ensue and happens as a natural byproduct of dedicating yourself
Speaker 4: to a process. The more you aim for the end goal,
Speaker 4: the less likely you are to hit it.
Speaker 1: Now, Harley is full of common sense, he has a
Speaker 1: science backed approach, and he's a person of integrity. You're
Speaker 1: going to hear in this episode that he turned down
Speaker 1: doing The Biggest Loser back in the day because he
Speaker 1: thought people were going to get hurt. I love hearing
Speaker 1: that story from him. I think you will too. But
Speaker 1: we're going to get into it all today, including Harley's
Speaker 1: unfiltered takes on all of the most viral health claims
Speaker 1: out there. Right now, I asked about peptides, fibermaxing, microdosing,
Speaker 1: ozepic and so much more, everything that's been in the
Speaker 1: zeitgeist in la I asked him about. So today, the
Speaker 1: big question we're circling is, in a world full of
Speaker 1: shortcuts and hacks and miracle solutions, what actually works. It's
Speaker 1: time to question everything with Harley Pasternak. So, Harley, peptides
Speaker 1: feel like they're the health version of AI. Right now,
Speaker 1: everyone is talking about them, everyone wants to know if
Speaker 1: they should be using them, and everyone is afraid of
Speaker 1: falling behind.
Speaker 2: So I have a million pep tide questions.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, are peptides actually changing the future of health?
Speaker 4: I would say that if you include insulin as a peptide,
Speaker 4: it already changed health. It probably is one of the
Speaker 4: most important medical breakthroughs in medical history, discovered by Banting
Speaker 4: and Best at the University of Toronto at the turn
Speaker 4: of the century. It used to be if you had
Speaker 4: type one diabetes, you would die. Luckily, we found insulin
Speaker 4: and we isolated it. And both of my brothers have
Speaker 4: type one diabetes and they're here and alive and well
Speaker 4: to annoy the hell out of me every day. So
Speaker 4: that would be considered a peptide. Glp onesjtpglp ones, glogle
Speaker 4: gun those are considered a peptide, so we go vio
Speaker 4: zempic manjaro zep bound. That's probably the biggest medical innovation
Speaker 4: since the polio vaccine. May be really seeing is that
Speaker 4: obesity is the number one lifestyle factor associated with mortality
Speaker 4: and morbidity in the Western world, and we now have
Speaker 4: a treatment, a very effective, relatively safe treatment for obesity.
Speaker 4: But I think all these other peptides you're hearing about,
Speaker 4: these bpcs and all of these other ones, you know,
Speaker 4: these have not been tested on humans, and if they have,
Speaker 4: it's a group of five people, so they're minimal to
Speaker 4: no research at all on these. You're seeing most of
Speaker 4: these being sold on social media longevity doctors, which is
Speaker 4: actually not a field of medicine. I think it's the
Speaker 4: wild wild West. And you know, ninety five percent of
Speaker 4: peptides that do get research actually don't get FDA approval
Speaker 4: because they're not stable or safe or efficacious. And so
Speaker 4: when actually they do get properly tested, ninety five percent
Speaker 4: of these things don't even make it, and so people
Speaker 4: are using themselves as human guinea pigs. You know, one
Speaker 4: of them makes your skin handed, and one of them
Speaker 4: theoretically helps with recovery, and one of them theoretically helps
Speaker 4: with body composition, metabolism, erectal function. We don't know if
Speaker 4: they really do, and we don't know to what extent
Speaker 4: they do, and we don't know if they're safe, and
Speaker 4: we don't know where they're made because there's no regulations
Speaker 4: to the places that they're made, and a lot of
Speaker 4: this stuff is coming from China and overseas. Recently, there
Speaker 4: was a study that looked at peptides being sold online
Speaker 4: and through compounding agencies in the United States, and they
Speaker 4: found that over fifty percent of them did not have
Speaker 4: what they claimed to have inside and had contaminants and
Speaker 4: dangerous components to them. So is there potential in the
Speaker 4: future for there to be up peptide or peptides that
Speaker 4: are proven to be safe that we know what dose
Speaker 4: you're supposed to be taking. I mean, these are essentially drugs.
Speaker 4: They're signaling agents. You know, insulin is a drug. Even
Speaker 4: though it's a hormone, it's a drug when you buy it.
Speaker 4: It's a pharmaceutical. There's a lot of conspiracy theorists out
Speaker 4: there who say, you know, Big Pharma doesn't want you
Speaker 4: to know about these because they can't patent them.
Speaker 1: That's all over my TikTok.
Speaker 4: You can patent these. There's a lot of drug companies
Speaker 4: making a lot of money off of ozempic and Manjarro
Speaker 4: and Wegovi, and is that bound a lot of money?
Speaker 4: You have people now that are trying to take reddit
Speaker 4: true Tide, which is the only one of those that
Speaker 4: does not have FDA approval yet is not done the trials.
Speaker 4: We don't know definitively yet to what extent it is
Speaker 4: safe and stable. We know that it can help you
Speaker 4: lose weight, maybe even a little bit more than zet bound,
Speaker 4: but we also know some of that might be coming
Speaker 4: from muscle. So what's wrong with zet bound, which we
Speaker 4: know a lot about, what's wrong with the Manjarro we Govi.
Speaker 4: These things heavily researched. Contemporary Mining, University of Toronto. Dan
Speaker 4: Drucker helped invent ozempic. He will probably win the Nobel
Speaker 4: Prize this year for medicine. So we know a lot,
Speaker 4: but we don't know a lot. And I think to
Speaker 4: taste yourself to test drugs on your body that have
Speaker 4: not been tested properly, have not been researched, don't have
Speaker 4: safety levels, efficacy levels, manufacturing standard guideline, and I think
Speaker 4: is risky to put it mildly.
Speaker 1: Have you heard people make the argument that so much
Speaker 1: of what we use is not FDA approved.
Speaker 4: Let's look outside of the United States. These things are
Speaker 4: not legal anywhere in the world. There's nowhere in the
Speaker 4: world that these are legalized for human consumption, not for
Speaker 4: research purposes, not for veterinarian purposes, nowhere forget about the FDA.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm from a country that has socialized medicine,
Speaker 4: which is not driven by profit. So really, whatever is
Speaker 4: the best for people is what's available. It's not legal
Speaker 4: there either. You look at any of the countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden,
Speaker 4: these countries with socialized medicine PEPTI, they're not legal there,
Speaker 4: like the ones that are being sold here in the
Speaker 4: wild wild West. So if you don't trust the FDA,
Speaker 4: that's fine, that's your choice. But who do you trust
Speaker 4: and where is it legal and where is it being
Speaker 4: used safely?
Speaker 1: I actually feel a lot of calm hearing you say this,
Speaker 1: because truly, all over my social media feed and in
Speaker 1: my real life because in LA people are usually like
Speaker 1: a few years ahead of the rest of the country
Speaker 1: in terms of what they're doing for their health or
Speaker 1: their beauty. I have three friends taking GHKCU, which is
Speaker 1: apparently a skin, hair and nails miracle.
Speaker 2: They look the same theoretically, theoretically, I haven't.
Speaker 4: Seen anything change, right.
Speaker 1: I have two friends on nad's which really scares me
Speaker 1: because it does nothing. Well, I heard that, and please
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, But I heard that if
Speaker 1: you have bad cells in your body, it can speed
Speaker 1: up the amount of bad cells that you have.
Speaker 4: Sow me. Any research to show that that helps human
Speaker 4: beings in any way doesn't exist. Wow, And you know
Speaker 4: what we can do? This is a fun game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know. You can go to chatch EPD, you can
Speaker 4: go to Claude, you can go to PubMed, the National
Speaker 4: Library Medicine a database. You can get all these and
Speaker 4: you can ask and this, Sorry, there is no research
Speaker 4: to show any scientific support on human beings with NAD
Speaker 4: at all. And then you'll tell that to someone and
Speaker 4: they're just like, you can't believe chatch ept. You can't
Speaker 4: believe the National Library medicine or dat. Well, then who
Speaker 4: do you believe? Why do you think that works well?
Speaker 4: Because my doctor told me, Okay, what is your doctor
Speaker 4: trained in. He's a chiropractor, or he's an osteopath, or
Speaker 4: he's a dentist, or he's any field you know that
Speaker 4: is not trained in this. So I think it's a
Speaker 4: difficult thing, and I think people will be upset when
Speaker 4: I say these things. It's not a personal attack on someone,
Speaker 4: but the way we look at health today, medicine and
Speaker 4: science today is very politicized since COVID. I think some
Speaker 4: people were very unhappy with how certain governments handled COVID,
Speaker 4: whether it be lockdowns or creating laws or rules that
Speaker 4: they didn't like and that you know, maybe in retrospect
Speaker 4: we went too far for certain things. Maybe they didn't
Speaker 4: like the vaccine. But you know, I spoke to someone
Speaker 4: the other day at a lunch, a nice man, and
Speaker 4: he's like, well, you know, the COVID vaccine killed more
Speaker 4: people than cancer, and I just where did you get
Speaker 4: that number from. He's like, what's a fact? I said,
Speaker 4: show me where that number? Where's that? That's such a
Speaker 4: I have three of my best friends died from the
Speaker 4: COVID vaccine. I was like, so you realize at a
Speaker 4: certain point you can't have a lotical ethical conversation with
Speaker 4: someone who's emotional and passionate about something like it's like
Speaker 4: talking about religion with someone. So I'm really grounded. I
Speaker 4: have no I'm not being paid by any pharma. I'm
Speaker 4: not being paid by anyone to say what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm really believing fundamentals. I believe in safety. And I
Speaker 4: would say, would you want would you give it to
Speaker 4: your kids? Would your friend taking the GLK two civer
Speaker 4: would they would they give that to their kids or
Speaker 4: their nieces or their nephews.
Speaker 2: A great question to ask yourself.
Speaker 4: I'm going to say ninety nine times out of one
Speaker 4: hundred to say, well, of course not? Why? Why not?
Speaker 1: What do you think most people think peptides are versus
Speaker 1: what they actually are.
Speaker 4: So we know it's interesting. We there's a lot of
Speaker 4: research that looks at people's knowledge of the supplements and
Speaker 4: gray market pharmaceuticals they take what do you know? Do
Speaker 4: you take creating? Okay, if you ask someone do you
Speaker 4: take creating? If they say yes, what is creating?
Speaker 2: All I know is it's good for your brain.
Speaker 4: Three percent of people who take creating can explain to
Speaker 4: you what creating is. We are so blindly just doing
Speaker 4: what someone TikTok sad us or what someone on social
Speaker 4: media bombards us, and then we're in that echo chamber
Speaker 4: and then we just hear more that reinforces the things
Speaker 4: that we want to know about and hear and believe in.
Speaker 4: And it's not a knock on creating, but it's the
Speaker 4: fact that we don't even know why we're doing things.
Speaker 4: We don't know if there's research to support it or not.
Speaker 4: Your intern is you're a doctor that you see Yeah,
Speaker 4: where did they go to medical school?
Speaker 1: No idea, you don't know.
Speaker 4: Have you seen their degree? Yes, it's on a wall. Yeah,
Speaker 4: how do you know they didn't print it up? Have
Speaker 4: you ever gone online to check to see if they're
Speaker 4: a medical doctor? Again, I'm taking it to an extreme
Speaker 4: to prove a point is that most of us just
Speaker 4: believe what we're told.
Speaker 1: WHOA. Yeah, that's so interesting because my ethos in life
Speaker 1: is to question everything, and you're right, I'm not even
Speaker 1: questioning enough. I think there's always been a plastic surgery culture,
Speaker 1: a diet culture, and different ways that people chase the
Speaker 1: body that they think that they want. But GLP ones
Speaker 1: have really taken over the conversation in the last year.
Speaker 1: Why do you think these meds hit such a cultural nerve.
Speaker 4: I was so against GLP ones for a long time,
Speaker 4: not the diabetic use of them, but the weight loss
Speaker 4: use of them. I was so against it. If you
Speaker 4: were to question me why I was against it, I
Speaker 4: don't think I had an answer.
Speaker 2: Just that it's not natural.
Speaker 4: No, in my mind, it was cheating. In my mind,
Speaker 4: in order to be healthy and lose weight, there's a
Speaker 4: certain amount of willpower you need and dedication and following
Speaker 4: up a system. And I couldn't put into words, but
Speaker 4: you know, clients are like, should I try them? No, No,
Speaker 4: you don't want to Just do these things and you'll
Speaker 4: be fine. Just eat well and exercise and eat this
Speaker 4: recipe and do all that stuff and go to betterly
Speaker 4: and you'll you don't need it, right.
Speaker 1: You've written like four books about what you can do
Speaker 1: nine nine. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And then it dawned upon me one day that I
Speaker 4: didn't have an answer, and it was just this idea, Well,
Speaker 4: you're cheating, that you're cheating. What does that even me?
Speaker 4: You're cheating. It's like I have an electric car and
Speaker 4: head a self driving and people that are purests of
Speaker 4: automobile driving, like, how do you let that thing drive
Speaker 4: you around? Like don't you want to have control of
Speaker 4: the car and fuel the engine? And like once you
Speaker 4: self drive, you never will not self drive again. We
Speaker 4: now have This is the self driving of weight loss.
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing unethical or wrong
Speaker 4: about it. I think it's not for everyone, but I
Speaker 4: think it's going to extend more lives than any medical
Speaker 4: breakthrough we've had in decades.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about people micro dosing glp ones? I have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that?
Speaker 4: I think the people that are micro dosing golp ones
Speaker 4: are generally the ones I know of, are not the
Speaker 4: ones who need golp ones. They end up being a
Speaker 4: little too skinny. I think you become that dose is
Speaker 4: sometimes a subclinical dose and doesn't think it's too low
Speaker 4: of a dose to actually make a difference to for
Speaker 4: some people. You know, a lot of these doses you
Speaker 4: start off with two point five is the first dose
Speaker 4: on we go be mandaro and ze bound on all them,
Speaker 4: and they give you that dose just to see to
Speaker 4: get you used to the medication, but they immediately want
Speaker 4: to bring it up to five or seven and a half.
Speaker 4: If you're staying on a one point twenty five dose
Speaker 4: of these, it's probably not enough to do much for
Speaker 4: most people, and you quickly habituate to it for a
Speaker 4: lot of people. But there's a lot of physicians smarter
Speaker 4: than I am who specialize specifically in that and can
Speaker 4: tell you more about the dosage.
Speaker 1: What do you think people misunderstand about the body when
Speaker 1: they think that appetite control equals health.
Speaker 4: We are incredibly similar to our prehistoric ancestors, and for
Speaker 4: thousands and thousands and thousands of years we had a
Speaker 4: food shortage. We had more demand for food than there
Speaker 4: was food available to us. And it wasn't long ago
Speaker 4: that our great grandparents would have to farm and get
Speaker 4: food and grow their food, and it wasn't so easy.
Speaker 4: There was not an abundance. It's really only been in
Speaker 4: the last sixty seventy years eighty years that we have
Speaker 4: more food than we need. But the way our minds work,
Speaker 4: our primitive drives, is like still the same way it
Speaker 4: was thousands of years ago for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: So when we see food, we eat food because we
Speaker 4: don't know when we're going to get food again. Next
Speaker 4: someone puts food in front of you.
Speaker 1: You really that primitive?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't necessarily have to be hungry to eat, right,
Speaker 4: And so I think drugs like these GLP ones, when
Speaker 4: someone says they really help with food noise, I think
Speaker 4: what it's doing is sort of offsetting these primitive drives
Speaker 4: where if there's food around, we're going to eat it,
Speaker 4: whether we're happy or sad, or hungry or not hungry
Speaker 4: or bored, especially boredom. You know, we eat. And so
Speaker 4: that's what's different. We have food everywhere. Now you can
Speaker 4: go on your phone and order any food from the world.
Speaker 4: You used to have to go to Italy to get
Speaker 4: Italian food, you'd have to go to JAPANI get Japanese food.
Speaker 4: Now you order on your thing, someone's going to bring
Speaker 4: it to you right here with chopsticks and soy sauce,
Speaker 4: and you can eat it in your chair.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty five. So I grew up as like a
Speaker 1: lot of the reality shows were weight loss shows. Do
Speaker 1: you think that those warped are ideas about health and
Speaker 1: body transformation? They're not as popular anymore.
Speaker 4: I think those weight loss shows were so bad for people.
Speaker 4: I mean it gave people orthorexia, gave people all kinds
Speaker 4: of health issues. The Biggest Loser was originally I was
Speaker 4: the star of The Biggest Loser. It was for me.
Speaker 4: They came to me to be in the show, and
Speaker 4: the more I learned about the show, I thought, this
Speaker 4: is not a good idea, Like people are going to
Speaker 4: get hurt. People are you know, could potentially die. You know,
Speaker 4: you're taking obese people that are deconditioned and you're having
Speaker 4: them do extreme physical things and you're gamifying dieting for them,
Speaker 4: and it's just that doesn't seem good. And then they
Speaker 4: cast another trainer opposite me who wasn't who had no
Speaker 4: background in the field. I think they were an assistant
Speaker 4: to someone at a one of the talent agencies, and
Speaker 4: they're like, it's going to be great. They're opposite. You're
Speaker 4: you know, you're very science based, and you know, I've
Speaker 4: been doing this for a long time. And they scream
Speaker 4: and they yell, and they're rough and tough and you'll
Speaker 4: play off each other. And I just sent him out.
Speaker 4: Someone's going to get hurt and I don't think this
Speaker 4: is really good. I think the messaging is really bad.
Speaker 4: I don't want to have anything to do with it.
Speaker 4: And they threatened to sue me. The network threaten to
Speaker 4: sue me, and so I remember I had just was
Speaker 4: at my thirtieth birthday. I just moved to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: A client of mine threw me a party at the house.
Speaker 4: I didn't know anyone, and I sat by myself at
Speaker 4: the bar drinking diet Cokes and the producer of the
Speaker 4: show came to the party and he's like, who's Harley.
Speaker 4: Are you Harley? I said, I'm Harley, and he brought
Speaker 4: the contract with you. He's like, dude, they're going to
Speaker 4: ruin your life. They're going to sue you. You've got
Speaker 4: to do the show. You know it'll be great, and
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, why don't you want to do it?
Speaker 4: And I just sat him down really calmly, and I said,
Speaker 4: I don't play this on TV like I am this
Speaker 4: in real life. I help people lose weight and get
Speaker 4: healthy in real life. I'm not an actor playing that role. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I don't feel safe with it, and I don't
Speaker 4: and he looked at I respect you, and he ripped
Speaker 4: it up. He's like, I'll take care of it, and
Speaker 4: he was a really great guy. We've been friends ever since.
Speaker 4: And then ten years later, no, gosh, twenty years later,
Speaker 4: one of the other producers from the show, the creator
Speaker 4: came to me and said, I respect that you didn't
Speaker 4: want to do our show twenty years ago. I have
Speaker 4: a show for you now. And we did a talk
Speaker 4: show together on ABC and it was terrible, but it
Speaker 4: was a good experience.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, why was it a good experience?
Speaker 4: It was a good experience because it was more about
Speaker 4: educating people rather than like how much weight can you
Speaker 4: lose as quickly as possible. It was about teaching people
Speaker 4: how to cook, teaching people simple ways to exercise at home,
Speaker 4: teaching people how to give good sleep habits. It was
Speaker 4: like take home stuff. I don't know what you can
Speaker 4: take home from watching The Biggest Loser.
Speaker 1: If someone loses weight, but they also lose muscle, energy, confidence,
Speaker 1: trust in their own body, is that actually a health win.
Speaker 4: Losing weight is not what you want to do. You
Speaker 4: want to lose fat. Yeah, And so when people are
Speaker 4: losing twenty pounds that as muscle and ten is fat,
Speaker 4: they're less healthy and so I think it's really important
Speaker 4: that if you focus on the input rather than the output.
Speaker 4: I've never owned a scale, I've never weighed anybody. I
Speaker 4: don't care what you weigh. I don't care what your
Speaker 4: body fat percentage is. I can't directly control your weight
Speaker 4: or directly control your body fat. I can indirectly control it.
Speaker 4: Did you ever read Man Search for Meaning, one of.
Speaker 1: My favorite books, Mind Too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Victor Frankel. He said, you cannot pursue success
Speaker 4: because success, much like happiness, must ensue and happens as
Speaker 4: a natural byproduct of dedicating yourself to a process. The
Speaker 4: more you aim for the end goal, the less likely
Speaker 4: you are to hit it. So when you're pursuing health,
Speaker 4: if you focus on the endpoint, the scale, the measurements,
Speaker 4: all the things on the biggest loser, does or did
Speaker 4: you're hooped? You've lost. If you focus on the things
Speaker 4: you have direct control over. How many times did you
Speaker 4: move your feet today, how many steps did you take,
Speaker 4: what time did you go to bed? What and how
Speaker 4: much did you eat? If you focus on the things
Speaker 4: you have only you can control, and you do them
Speaker 4: to the best of your ability, then you've done the
Speaker 4: best you can do as a byproduct, and only as
Speaker 4: a byproduct, you'll lose body fat, you'll get stronger, you'll
Speaker 4: sleep better, you'll be healthier, you'll be happier. So I
Speaker 4: focus on the inputs a lot more than focusing on
Speaker 4: the output.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned steps, And I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: I think you changed my life because over the last
Speaker 1: two years, I've been working more hours than I've ever worked,
Speaker 1: and I gain ten pounds, and I work out really hard,
Speaker 1: like three days a week always, and I'm eating kind
Speaker 1: of the same way that I always have, And I
Speaker 1: could not figure out what was going on. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't really get that much older, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's my metabolism the way people like,
Speaker 1: and even that has been sort of debunked now that
Speaker 1: your metabolism gets slower as you get older.
Speaker 4: Your metabolism doesn't get slower because of age. Your metabolism
Speaker 4: tends to get slower because you've lost muscle tissue. Okay
Speaker 4: is the main driver?
Speaker 1: Oh, Okay. As I was researching for our interview, you
Speaker 1: became really well known for talking about steps. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I realized I work out really hard three days a week,
Speaker 1: and I am totally sedentary other than that, right, I
Speaker 1: am sitting at my computer. That's it. That's the issue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we call that NEAT. What is that non exercise
Speaker 4: activity thermogenesis?
Speaker 1: I'm neat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we need to work on your need. So
Speaker 4: that ten thousand step goal thing you hear people recently,
Speaker 4: it's come out that that wasn't a science based thing
Speaker 4: and that number was arbitrary and a marketing number.
Speaker 1: That was me, I know it was you.
Speaker 4: So I helped launch fitbit, and I was with fitbit
Speaker 4: for a decade maybe more. And I had just written
Speaker 4: a book called The World Diet, where I traveled around
Speaker 4: the world to the ten healthiest countries. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: want to understand why do they live so much longer
Speaker 4: than us? Lower or obesity, diabetes, hard to these cancers.
Speaker 4: And I found that on average, those countries walked almost
Speaker 4: ten thousand steps per day, whereas the average American was
Speaker 4: forty two hundred steps per day. So I said, hey,
Speaker 4: ten thousands the magic number. It's arbitrary, but at the
Speaker 4: same time it's not It comes from somewhere. So yeah,
Speaker 4: so thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you eat when you're hungry? I heard you
Speaker 2: eat five small meals a day.
Speaker 4: That's changed. I think when I was younger, I had
Speaker 4: a bigger appetite, okay, and I could do that no problem.
Speaker 4: Maybe now I'm like three meals in a snack. My
Speaker 4: appetite's definitely shrunk with age.
Speaker 2: Do you follow intuitive eating?
Speaker 1: Would you say?
Speaker 4: To some extent. But I'm a creature of habit, and
Speaker 4: there's sort of three or four go to breakfasts I
Speaker 4: have every day in my life, and there's one or
Speaker 4: two go to lunches I have almost every day of
Speaker 4: my life, and then dinners have free for all. We
Speaker 4: have a lot of kids in the house. But I
Speaker 4: tend to follow the the from a macro perspective the same.
Speaker 4: But I don't wait till i'm hungry to eat. If
Speaker 4: it's time to eat, I eat.
Speaker 2: Are all carbs equal?
Speaker 4: No, not all carbs are equal. Not all people are equal.
Speaker 4: Some bad people, That doesn't mean all people are bad.
Speaker 4: The more a carbohydrate is in its natural state, yeah,
Speaker 4: the better, The less processed, the better. So a potato
Speaker 4: with the skin is actually really good for you. Mashed
Speaker 4: potato A little bit less mashed potato with sour cream
Speaker 4: and butter and bacon bits potato chips, French fries. Those
Speaker 4: are hyper processed. There's a lot of added oils. Not
Speaker 4: as good those are, you know, at that point, A
Speaker 4: potato chip and a French fries not even a carb
Speaker 4: at that point. It's a fat. It gets more of
Speaker 4: its calories from fat than from potatoes. An apple is great,
Speaker 4: an apple juice less great, rice is great, rice flour
Speaker 4: less great. So I think the more it's in its
Speaker 4: natural state, the better.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about intermittent fasting. I've anecdotally heard
Speaker 1: from men it works really well for them, and then
Speaker 1: women not as much.
Speaker 4: So we used to just call it skipping breakfast. Really,
Speaker 4: that's what intermittent fasting is.
Speaker 2: That's what's so bad.
Speaker 4: It's just skipping breakfast. It Generally there's a feeding window,
Speaker 4: and different people who do intermint fasting have a different
Speaker 4: feet meal. It could be a four hour window, it
Speaker 4: could be a six hour window where you eat all
Speaker 4: the calories of your day in that window, and that
Speaker 4: window could be the first four or five hours of
Speaker 4: the day, the last four five hours a day, the
Speaker 4: middle four hours of the day, and you jam all
Speaker 4: your calories into that. We have a lot of data
Speaker 4: from a long time on intermin fasting. It's called ramadant,
Speaker 4: so one month a year. Muslims intermittent fast, right, So
Speaker 4: they fast all day and then they gorge at night.
Speaker 4: Theoretically they can have an early morning meal before they go,
Speaker 4: you know, but they generally gorge all night and they
Speaker 4: gain weight. So what we've learned is intermittent fasting in
Speaker 4: and of itself is no better than eating traditionally for
Speaker 4: weight loss. It's more about what you eat and how
Speaker 4: much you eat, rather than how you want to spread
Speaker 4: it out throughout the day.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. Yeah, so people are just condensing their
Speaker 1: calories if it's working for them, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: And also there's a sense there's an other issue where
Speaker 4: there's this sort of permission that you give yourself. If
Speaker 4: you fast all day and you've got this window to feed,
Speaker 4: I can eat whatever I want because I didn't eat
Speaker 4: this is my only food of the day. If you
Speaker 4: gorge and over that four hour window, you eat four
Speaker 4: thousand calories. And someone on the other hand, eats three
Speaker 4: meals evenly throughout the day at one thousand calories each
Speaker 4: per meal. The person eating a thousand calories each per
Speaker 4: meal three meals a day is going to lose more
Speaker 4: weight or gain less weight than the person gorgeing on
Speaker 4: four thousand calories in that window.
Speaker 1: So my mother is my health inspiration, and I usually
Speaker 1: don't have anybody talking about science on the podcast because
Speaker 1: it evades me. So this question is from her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she said, I want to talk carbs and fats. If
Speaker 1: you eat carbs, you burn fat only if you work out.
Speaker 2: Is that true or false?
Speaker 4: No, Mom, No, so false. So we have three energy
Speaker 4: systems in the body. Right now, you and I are
Speaker 4: sitting here, we're talking. We're in the aerobic energy system.
Speaker 4: Aerobic means with oxygen, we can carry on a conversation.
Speaker 4: We're almost burning exclusively fat right now. Then the more
Speaker 4: intense that we get from here, you know, if we
Speaker 4: were to jog around the block, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: we're anaerobic. You know, we're getting more anaerobic. The intensity
Speaker 4: is to hire we're kind of we can't carry in
Speaker 4: a conversation because you're winded. All of a sudden, you're
Speaker 4: without oxygen, you're anaerobic, and you're burning more carbohydrates. So
Speaker 4: you go from fat to fat, and carbs to fat,
Speaker 4: and carbs to carbs in fat to mainly carbs, and
Speaker 4: the more intense you are, it's carbs carbs, to the
Speaker 4: point that when you're sprinting or weight training, you're in
Speaker 4: a third energy system called the ATP system. ATP is
Speaker 4: like the basic currency of energy. You know the video
Speaker 4: game pac Man, those little power pellets. Imagine each one
Speaker 4: of those is ATP. They are little energy balls. Right.
Speaker 4: ATP stands for a dentisine Try phosphate, Try tryes three.
Speaker 4: Adnisine is here, and there's three phosphate groups like the
Speaker 4: letter eat. When the top one falls off, it releases energy,
Speaker 4: and that's how we can blink. That's how we can
Speaker 4: flex our muscles. That's how we can sprint. But now
Speaker 4: we're left with a broken ATP instead of a TP,
Speaker 4: it's ADP, it's got two phosphates. It's useless to us.
Speaker 4: So creating picks up that loose phosphate group, brings it
Speaker 4: back regenerates ATP for us, and now we can blink again.
Speaker 4: We can flex our muscles again. So those are the
Speaker 4: three energy systems. What dictates which substrate we're using. Are
Speaker 4: we burning carbs, are we burning fat? Are we burning
Speaker 4: ATP is the intensity on what we're doing, so it's
Speaker 4: not what we ate and you don't only burn energy
Speaker 4: doing something or other. But tell your mom that talking
Speaker 4: to her on the phone. Mom, right now, we're burning fat.
Speaker 1: She's trying to burn everything, right, so she needs to
Speaker 1: go to a hit clas. Where's you're from Chicago?
Speaker 4: Right? Perfect?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: It just sounds like a mom from Chicago asked that question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, half of these questions are hurt No, I'm kidding
Speaker 1: her other question and then it's truly back to my
Speaker 1: questions are how do you control cravings?
Speaker 4: Do you control cravings? I think some cravings occur because
Speaker 4: you're hungry, So making sure you're filling yourself up with
Speaker 4: the right food throughout the day so you're not vulnerable
Speaker 4: at the wrong time. Is because your blood sugar's low
Speaker 4: because you're hungry. Yeah, cravings can come from boredom. Cravings
Speaker 4: can come from having too strict of a diet, like orthorexia.
Speaker 4: So I think allowing yourself some flexibility in any eating
Speaker 4: plan to eat the things that bring you joy, I
Speaker 4: think is important so that you know you never got
Speaker 4: I went a whole year and didn't even have birthday
Speaker 4: cake and my own birthday like that's sad. I love chocolate.
Speaker 4: I'll have some kind of chocolate almost every day, but
Speaker 4: I'll have a tiny bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard you talk about that that you don't
Speaker 1: believe in deprivation, like go eat the pasta and Italy
Speaker 1: and go eat the French fries in France.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. You're not gaining weight because you're eating
Speaker 4: French fries or because you're eating pasta. You're gaining weight
Speaker 4: because you're eating too much.
Speaker 1: When do you think health became something that we try
Speaker 1: to hack?
Speaker 4: I want to say, and we can probably look this up,
Speaker 4: but it was ten years ago that the average Americans
Speaker 4: New Year's resolution went from money to weight loss. Interesting,
Speaker 4: I think it was ten or eleven years ago where
Speaker 4: it was the first time ever where it wasn't money
Speaker 4: was the New Years or I want to make more
Speaker 4: money next year, it became I want to lose weight.
Speaker 4: So I think I think health is something we've always had,
Speaker 4: you know, back at the turn of the century, you know,
Speaker 4: Kellogg had these crazy clinics of weight loss. I think
Speaker 4: if you go back even before that, the Roman gladiators
Speaker 4: and the palaestras and becoming strong and eating weird animal
Speaker 4: parts for vitality, and I think there's always been this
Speaker 4: human nature thing of wanting to live forever. We've always
Speaker 4: had it, And then as we progress in our knowledge
Speaker 4: and science, we started to think like, maybe this is
Speaker 4: a thing that I can do, and maybe I have
Speaker 4: control over how long I live. So I think we're
Speaker 4: at an interesting point now, especially AI, especially with these
Speaker 4: GLP ones. I think you're going to see the average
Speaker 4: lifespan of a human leap a decade out of nowhere,
Speaker 4: a decade maybe.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Knowing that obesity related deaths are the main cause of
Speaker 4: death in the West, and you know, one hundred years
Speaker 4: ago it was probably starvation. Yeah, now we're the other
Speaker 4: way around. But now we have a treatment for that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: I think you're going to eliminate a lot of Type
Speaker 4: two diabetes, a lot of heart disease, a lot of cancers.
Speaker 4: It's an interesting time we're living in.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned AI because I think we feel
Speaker 1: as if AI could make things easier for us, just
Speaker 1: the way that these peptides are hacks, so to speak,
Speaker 1: can make things easier for us. But with AI, the
Speaker 1: concern is that if we overuse it, we'll lose parts
Speaker 1: of our brain. Yeah, similar to this. I feel like
Speaker 1: the concern is we lose some of our muscle. What
Speaker 1: parts of health do you think cannot be outsourced to
Speaker 1: a shot, a supplement, or a shortcut.
Speaker 4: Strength training is essential, whether you be taking a GLB
Speaker 4: one or no. You know, I think it's even more
Speaker 4: important when you're taking a JAILB one. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 4: the fountain of you. Strength training. Sleep. You know, that's
Speaker 4: something that no one can do for you. You have to
Speaker 4: know when to go to bed, when to wake up.
Speaker 4: You have to not have alcohol before bed. If you
Speaker 4: want to have a good deep sleep. You have to
Speaker 4: not look at stressful emails and have your phone on
Speaker 4: all night. So I think those are things that can't
Speaker 4: take away from you. I think relationships, laughter, feeling a
Speaker 4: sense of community, those are important things that would go
Speaker 4: away and have gone away with social media. You know,
Speaker 4: I saw a friend yesterday. I bumped you I haven't
Speaker 4: seen in three years. I was so happy to see him.
Speaker 4: I had so many questions for him. He didn't ask
Speaker 4: me anything, and he said at the end, He's like,
Speaker 4: I feel like I know everything about you. I follow
Speaker 4: you in social media. Your family looks great, simply you're
Speaker 4: doing well with work. You know, you just have that
Speaker 4: vacation that looks like fun, and it took away the
Speaker 4: human interaction, the curiosity because of social media. So I
Speaker 4: think maintaining relationships, may taining community. I think those things
Speaker 4: are so important.
Speaker 2: Mostly women are listening.
Speaker 1: Here. For any woman listening who is thinking, I just
Speaker 1: don't like strength training or I prefer pilates, what do
Speaker 1: you say to her.
Speaker 4: I just don't like strength training. I don't like brushing
Speaker 4: my teeth, but I know that I should brush my teeth.
Speaker 4: I know that I'm better for it. I know that
Speaker 4: all my teeth will last longer. I know how better breath,
Speaker 4: maybe even better heart health. So for someone who doesn't
Speaker 4: like resistance training, I don't think it's an option. It's
Speaker 4: part of personal hygiene. It's part of taking care of
Speaker 4: your health. It doesn't mean you need to go to
Speaker 4: a gym to do it. It doesn't mean you need
Speaker 4: to do it for a long periods of time. It
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you need to do Olympic style lifts, but
Speaker 4: you need to do some degree of resistance training or.
Speaker 1: Gym's not mandatory in your mind, Jim's do.
Speaker 4: You remember the Gatica. Uh uh, it's like a sci
Speaker 4: fi movie back in the day with Jude Law. It
Speaker 4: was mandatory in this movie. It's pretty cool. But I
Speaker 4: think that the person just needs to understand that resistance
Speaker 4: training doesn't have to be as daunting as probably in
Speaker 4: their head they think it is okay, and they just
Speaker 4: need to find what works for them.
Speaker 1: You became known for saying take twelve thousand steps a day,
Speaker 1: and you said it could be ten, right, it's sort
Speaker 1: of an arbitrary number. Do you feel like if I
Speaker 1: take these ten thousand steps a day for several months
Speaker 1: that I will no longer be neat?
Speaker 4: I think that you should think about increasing what you're
Speaker 4: doing right now. Don't put a number to it. And
Speaker 4: whatever you're doing now, gradually increase it over time, Okay,
Speaker 4: and before you know it, you'll probably get up to
Speaker 4: that number and you'll feel great. Your body will feel great,
Speaker 4: your mind feels For me, it's a form of meditation.
Speaker 4: I love that you don't need to sweat, you don't
Speaker 4: need to huff and puff. It doesn't need to be
Speaker 4: all once. It can be broken up evenly throughout the day.
Speaker 4: Everyone really likes it when they start doing It's a
Speaker 4: habit that everyone feels better for. It's also social. When
Speaker 4: I meet friends, you know, we'll go for a walk,
Speaker 4: we'll walk together. When I have a call with a client,
Speaker 4: I walk and talk.
Speaker 1: You've been a celebrity trainer for over thirty years.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two, so since you were born.
Speaker 1: Almost yeah, ninety one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1: When you first started, what was the health trend that
Speaker 1: people were really getting wrong at the time.
Speaker 4: That people were getting wrong at the time, So nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety two, yeah, I feel like we just finished the
Speaker 4: Reagan era. And it was during the Cold War, and
Speaker 4: men were all about looking like Schwarzenegger and Stallone and
Speaker 4: that was the male ideal. And we didn't do any
Speaker 4: cardio walking steps of any kind of non zero and
Speaker 4: women were doing a lot of their aerobics classes high
Speaker 4: low step classes. They all got, you know, hip replacements
Speaker 4: from it. Jane Fond was a client of mine for
Speaker 4: a long time. She told me that, you know, those
Speaker 4: those rebox steps just destroyed her hips. I think that
Speaker 4: was going on. And then it was an interesting time
Speaker 4: because we were scared of fat. Fat was the devil, right.
Speaker 1: Everything was low fat cottage. She's low fat, butter.
Speaker 4: Non fat, non fat. Yeah, everything was non fat. So
Speaker 4: we had snack Well cookies. You would have boxes of
Speaker 4: these Snackwell cookies. I remember I'd snack on licorice. It
Speaker 4: was fat free, so it was fine fruit roll ups.
Speaker 4: That was a big thing. They were fat free.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fat was the devil.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing.
Speaker 2: That's everything that was in my pantry.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there a fitness rule that you used to believe
Speaker 1: that you think is absolute nonsense now.
Speaker 4: That I used to believe? Is there a fitness rule
Speaker 4: that I used to believe? I used to think that.
Speaker 4: I mean, as a as a young guy was a bodybuilder,
Speaker 4: so I used to think workouts would have to be
Speaker 4: really long, strength training workouts really really long, and you'd
Speaker 4: have to do so many exercises for one body part
Speaker 4: and so many sets for one thing. I mean, that
Speaker 4: was something I think the idea.
Speaker 1: That that called time under tension or.
Speaker 4: Something kind of not. I mean, there was no there
Speaker 4: was no method. It was like I did what Arnold
Speaker 4: did in the seventies whatever Arnold Schwartz, and every day
Speaker 4: I like, that's what I'm doing. There was no science
Speaker 4: to that, right, I think, were.
Speaker 2: You you were a bodybuilder.
Speaker 4: I was a bodybuilder. Yeah, I was an unsuccessful body.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Because I never took steroids, and so you can't be
Speaker 4: a competitive bodybuilder if you don't take it. I mean
Speaker 4: it was just standard. Everyone did and it was accepted
Speaker 4: and it was a thing and I never did. And
Speaker 4: so yeah, but I would say stretching before workout, that
Speaker 4: was something I used to believe in. I don't anymore. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the science never supported it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's good to know.
Speaker 4: You want to warm up before you work out, but
Speaker 4: the stretch can actually increase your chance of injury significantly
Speaker 4: and reduce your strength. Really really interesting. The data is
Speaker 4: profound on this.
Speaker 1: That's great to know. You've trained people whose bodies become
Speaker 1: a part of their job.
Speaker 4: Yes, what do you think.
Speaker 1: That us regular regular people do not fully understand about
Speaker 1: the time, money, and pressure behind some of these celebrities bodies?
Speaker 4: Boy, you know when people say, oh, celebrities have it
Speaker 4: easy and they can you know, they get a trainer
Speaker 4: and they can get a chef and all that stuff. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, they're the ones working out,
Speaker 4: They're the ones showing up to do the work. They're
Speaker 4: the ones avoiding eating that, you know, extra dessert or candy.
Speaker 4: They're the ones going to betterly. They're the ones prioritizing
Speaker 4: their health because their career depends on it. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: no one can do that for them.
Speaker 1: When you're training somebody who has a goal, like say
Speaker 1: it's for a film, do you feel a sense of
Speaker 1: pride when you watch them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the greatest feeling in the whole world.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whether it be you know, Halle Berry and Catwoman,
Speaker 4: or Robert Downey Junior, or or Toby maguire and Spider Man,
Speaker 4: or or Gabriel Mocked in the Spirit or Ben Foster
Speaker 4: an x Men, or I mean, I think we've done
Speaker 4: two hundred films at this point. There's a film I'm
Speaker 4: doing right now with this incredible young actor where he
Speaker 4: I don't want to give it away. He has something
Speaker 4: like Luke Geirrigg's disease, but it's worse and it's based
Speaker 4: on a true story, and he's like, I got him
Speaker 4: down from one seventy five to one twenty six, and
Speaker 4: he's in this wheelchair and he's dying, and he looks
Speaker 4: like he's dying, and you can see his lungs in
Speaker 4: his ribs, and he looks you know, he seeing him,
Speaker 4: I feel so much pride. He looks like he's dying,
Speaker 4: which it's sad to think that, Like that brings me pride,
Speaker 4: But that before he even delivers a line, Before an
Speaker 4: actor delivers a line, the viewer sees what they look like,
Speaker 4: and that tells the story and sets the stage before
Speaker 4: the lines even read. And so that's the feeling of
Speaker 4: seeing that. I'm like, I did it. That's how he
Speaker 4: was supposed to look like that, and we made him
Speaker 4: look like that. We'd look at that. We did that. Oh,
Speaker 4: the feeling's amazing, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like you knew the science, he knew how to do
Speaker 2: it health.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Now for this particular project's interesting because again
Speaker 4: I don't want to give it away, but we were
Speaker 4: going to stop shooting in about two weeks and then
Speaker 4: I have to put all the way back on him
Speaker 4: and then some to shoot the rest of the film.
Speaker 4: He has to look like a superhero for the other
Speaker 4: half of the movie, So he looks like he's dying
Speaker 4: in one half and the other half he looks strong
Speaker 4: and powerful. And so it's a really cool journey and
Speaker 4: you know some of the films I watched growing up,
Speaker 4: De Niro and Raging Bull was a great example of that.
Speaker 4: You know, he went from really lean to really heavy
Speaker 4: and in the same movie. And I think DeNiro was
Speaker 4: one of the first to take his body to extremes
Speaker 4: in movies Cape Fear and Raging Bull, and he did
Speaker 4: an incredible job of transforming his body for movies. He
Speaker 4: set the stage big time.
Speaker 1: I would not have known that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very cool DeNiro. I mean even before he
Speaker 4: says anything. In Cape Fear, the opening scene is you
Speaker 4: see his back tat it up ripped, muscular, he's doing
Speaker 4: dips in prison. Yeah, and you just like, I don't
Speaker 4: know who that guy is. That guy's yoked, he's muscular.
Speaker 4: He's like, who's that And then he stops and he
Speaker 4: turns around and looks and you're like, that's de Nero.
Speaker 4: I mean it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's incredible too, because not to take anything away from
Speaker 1: people who are changing their bodies now, but it was
Speaker 1: before we had any sort of helpful tools like glps.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there was there was nothing like that. I mean,
Speaker 4: you put the work in. I mean I remember, you know,
Speaker 4: seth Rogen and green Hornet. That's not someone who's dowey
Speaker 4: his whole life. He was perfect with his diet, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you think of Jessica Simpson and Daisy Dukes or
Speaker 4: Megan Fox and Transformers, people think, oh, they were beautiful before,
Speaker 4: and they had beautiful bodies before I got news to you,
Speaker 4: it's way harder. Taking someone who's in good shape and
Speaker 4: putting them in great shape like that is way harder.
Speaker 4: I can get an obese person to lose fifty pounds,
Speaker 4: but taking someone who looks really good and making them
Speaker 4: look even better, that's tough.
Speaker 1: Is there a moment in time that you've felt most
Speaker 1: proud of your body?
Speaker 4: Yeah? One month ago? Why one month ago is the
Speaker 4: best shape I've been in since I was.
Speaker 1: No way? Yeah, And it was it calculated, it was strategic.
Speaker 4: Just you know, when I turned fifty, something went off
Speaker 4: in my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: I started prioritizing myself again and I really with the switch.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm in my mid fifties with a
Speaker 4: six pack, and I'm yoked and filling great and doing
Speaker 4: it with very short workouts. And it took me a
Speaker 4: lifetime to be an overnight success. You've heard that story.
Speaker 4: It took me a lifetime to figure out how to
Speaker 4: do this easily, you know, I just I figured out,
Speaker 4: I've distilled the essence, like what's the least I need
Speaker 4: to do to get the most out of it? And
Speaker 4: so I'm in a good place with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the efficiency of it. Yeah, you're trying to do
Speaker 1: the most in the least amount of time.
Speaker 4: And as everybody's body different, everybody's different, but we're mainly
Speaker 4: the same.
Speaker 2: So then you have to tell us what you did.
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, it was quantity control. That was
Speaker 4: something I fought. I was eating too much of everything.
Speaker 4: I was still in that old mindset of the bodybuilding days,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to load myself up with calories to
Speaker 4: maintain my muscle mass. And I think getting to a
Speaker 4: certain age and being two hundred and twenty five pounds
Speaker 4: is just too much and I didn't want to carry
Speaker 4: it anymore. And my old the way I viewed myself
Speaker 4: was always as this big yoked guide walk into a
Speaker 4: room and I and then I was like, I'm too
Speaker 4: old for this. It's not a good look anymore. Like
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the dude who has to
Speaker 4: buy double extra large shirts places and it has to
Speaker 4: get special jeans.
Speaker 2: And when did that go? Like when did that happen?
Speaker 4: Over a period of time and more and more and
Speaker 4: more and then and I remember my youngest daughter who
Speaker 4: just turned four. I remember her playing with my stomach
Speaker 4: like I was never fat, but I didn't have a
Speaker 4: six pack anymore, and she would she would like play
Speaker 4: with it, and she would just say, daddy has a
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's all I needed. I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, everything changes. Now, get the cookies out of
Speaker 4: the house. This goes on, blah blah blah. You're taking
Speaker 4: the kids to school. I'm going to do in the morning,
Speaker 4: my workouts, Like every everything changes. It's funny, but I
Speaker 4: feel great. And I also know that you know, strength
Speaker 4: training is something that didn't wane with me. I change
Speaker 4: the way I strength trained. So as you're older, you
Speaker 4: can't handle the volume of workouts that you maybe do
Speaker 4: when you're younger. You can't recover in the same way.
Speaker 4: So I work out more often, but much shorter workouts.
Speaker 4: And strength training I love so much. So now I
Speaker 4: strength train almost every day, but it's for twenty minutes
Speaker 4: and every day it's different body parts and it makes
Speaker 4: me happy.
Speaker 1: It makes me so happy too. Yeah right, I get
Speaker 1: more in door fin strength training than running. I think
Speaker 1: women have been sold cardio for a long time.
Speaker 2: It's finally.
Speaker 1: Do you think cardio is overrated or have we just
Speaker 1: misunderstood its role?
Speaker 4: When did the Olympics allow women to run a marathon?
Speaker 4: When do you think the first year was women were
Speaker 4: allowed to run a marathon in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: It must be in the nineties, eighties, eighties.
Speaker 4: Isn't that incredible?
Speaker 1: It's horrible.
Speaker 4: There was no scientific reason. There was this old stereotype
Speaker 4: that women could damage the reproductive organs if they run
Speaker 4: because the bouncing up and down. No science behind that,
Speaker 4: nothing at all.
Speaker 1: I actually have one more celebrity question. What do you
Speaker 1: think every celebrity that you've trained has in common no
Speaker 1: matter what their background.
Speaker 4: Is, Every celebrity that have in common amount of the
Speaker 4: background is the work ethic. Yeah, and you know it's funny.
Speaker 4: The Kardashians, I'll give you a great example. They're not
Speaker 4: trained actors or musicians or producers or writers, or they
Speaker 4: don't have a specific skill set that would make them
Speaker 4: that would lead you to think that they're going to
Speaker 4: be successful in the entertainment industry. But those people work hard.
Speaker 4: Those people are always on time, those people know everyone's name,
Speaker 4: those people have incredible dedication, work ethic, structure. It's incredible
Speaker 4: to see all the most successful people that I work
Speaker 4: with in the entertainment industry, they all have that in common.
Speaker 4: They work their butts off and you would imagine that
Speaker 4: they'd be late for stuff. Nope, that they're not. Their
Speaker 4: time is precious. Everything they're doing is for them. They're
Speaker 4: coming to work out, not because someone's making them do
Speaker 4: it or they know it's good for them. Like, my
Speaker 4: career will be better if I go do this thing now,
Speaker 4: I will be more successful, I will look better, I'll
Speaker 4: get more endorsements, I'll get more roles, I'll look better
Speaker 4: in that music video. I'll have more confidence on stage.
Speaker 4: And so I would say the one thing is work ethic.
Speaker 4: It's incredible to see.
Speaker 2: I love that answer because it's so controllable.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about how certain foods have been demonized,
Speaker 1: whether it's fats or sodium, sugar, carbs, but you are
Speaker 1: an advocate for carbs in a lot of ways. Are
Speaker 1: you telling us we can eat all the pizza we want,
Speaker 1: or what does that mean?
Speaker 4: You can't eat the anything all you want. There's there's
Speaker 4: nothing you could you know, if you have, you can
Speaker 4: die from drinking too much water. I mean, honestly, there's
Speaker 4: there's a way where you drink too much water, where
Speaker 4: that becomes toxic. So I think everything's in moderation. Certain
Speaker 4: things you can have more often than other things, but
Speaker 4: there's room for everything in your diet.
Speaker 2: You have this path methodology, yes, will you share that?
Speaker 4: So I tell people to follow the path p at
Speaker 4: h and every meal you you follow the path. P
Speaker 4: stands for a palm of carbohydrates, so it can be
Speaker 4: whole grains, quenuan, millet o with amorate, tef, barley, farrow rice.
Speaker 4: It can be sweet potatoes, legumes, lentils, beans, fruits, pompful
Speaker 4: per meal. A stands for all the vegetables you want.
Speaker 4: TEA stands for a thumb of healthy fat, avocado, nut seeds, olives.
Speaker 4: An H stands for your hand, at least the mass
Speaker 4: of your hand of protein. Chicken, fish, egg whites. I
Speaker 4: said egg whites, not eggs. Egg whites, yogurt, greek yogurt plain, unsweetened,
Speaker 4: and or tofu, I said, egg whites, because an egg
Speaker 4: has protein, but an egg is not protein. An egg
Speaker 4: receives seventy percent of its calories from fat and about
Speaker 4: thirty from protein. So I'll have one whole egg with
Speaker 4: the yolk, and then I'll have a bunch of whites
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: My mom taught me the right thing. Then, I want
Speaker 1: to hit on something that you shared earlier. You said
Speaker 1: you did a show going around the world asking people
Speaker 1: in different cultures what was working for them to try
Speaker 1: and understand our health better when it comes to food
Speaker 1: and movement and the way health is built into daily life.
Speaker 2: What do you think Americans can learn from other cultures.
Speaker 4: I wrote a book called The World Diet. I traveled
Speaker 4: to the ten healthiest countries in the world. I wanted
Speaker 4: to understand what are they eating, what are they doing
Speaker 4: that you know, they're living a decade longer than sometimes
Speaker 4: even more, and they're living better. So I think one
Speaker 4: of the things I learned is they don't need a
Speaker 4: lot of red meat, which is interesting. I'm not telling
Speaker 4: people to stay away from red meat, but they don't
Speaker 4: need a lot of red meat. Some of them eat
Speaker 4: hardly any some of them meat once in a while,
Speaker 4: but they don't need a lot of red meat. The
Speaker 4: other thing is they eat a lot more carbohydrates than
Speaker 4: we do. So the average American receives just over forty
Speaker 4: percent of their calories from carbs. But if you look
Speaker 4: at the healthiest populations of the world Japan, Sweden, Philllinori, Ice, Ice, Iceland, Denmark,
Speaker 4: South Korea, China, Singapore, they get over six percent of
Speaker 4: their calories from carbohydrates. So they're consuming fifty percent more
Speaker 4: as a percentage of their calories from carbs than we
Speaker 4: are in the United States. People say, oh, the United
Speaker 4: States is unhealthy because of the carbs. Nope, not at all.
Speaker 4: And the carbs we do heat here in the United
Speaker 4: States are not the carbs we want. It's the sugar
Speaker 4: in your frappuccino. It's the breakfast cereal sugar. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: the doughnuts, it's it's all of that stuff. It's the
Speaker 4: ketchup and the barbecue sauce, ca, you know, sugar. But
Speaker 4: the carbs they're eating. They're eating rice, they're eating whole grains,
Speaker 4: they're eating rye bread, they're eating you know, purple sweet potatoes.
Speaker 4: They're doing all these great things and so so that
Speaker 4: was another thing I noticed that they do that we
Speaker 4: need to do better.
Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that, Yeah, more carbs.
Speaker 4: There's a great stat and I don't want to get
Speaker 4: it wrong, but between nineteen seventy and now we consume
Speaker 4: seven hundred more calories per day than we did then.
Speaker 4: I believe it's nineteen seventy. I could be wrong, nineteen sixty.
Speaker 4: I think it's nineteen seventy to now we consume seven
Speaker 4: hundred calories more per day. What percentage of those seven
Speaker 4: hundred calories comes from sugar? Ten? Really ninety percent of
Speaker 4: those extra calories are coming from added fats.
Speaker 2: So what does that look like?
Speaker 4: Everything has oils in it, everything that we're eating more
Speaker 4: fats of all kinds. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: That is very What do you think actually changes a
Speaker 1: person's relationship with their body?
Speaker 4: What have you seen what changes their relationship with their body?
Speaker 4: I think focusing on the inputs changes your relationship with
Speaker 4: your body because now you have.
Speaker 1: Control ties back to your Victor Frankel quote.
Speaker 4: Back to the Victor Franco quote. I think when you
Speaker 4: focus on your outputs with your body, it's tough. You know,
Speaker 4: women have have hormone cycles, so you know, a few weeks,
Speaker 4: a few days a month, they're going to be heavier
Speaker 4: on a scale. And if they're just their relationship with
Speaker 4: their body on how heavy they are, they're going to
Speaker 4: hate their body, even though they've done nothing wrong. It's
Speaker 4: natural they're going to retain water because their hormones aret
Speaker 4: a certain point. I think when you focus on the inputs,
Speaker 4: you don't even notice that stuff. You're like, I did
Speaker 4: everything good today. Today's a good day, went a bad
Speaker 4: I love my body, I treated it well today.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Have you seen girls be raised
Speaker 1: in an environment where they can feel really good about
Speaker 1: their body, even though there's a culture outside of their
Speaker 1: home that really disrupts it.
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had female clients and you were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: they have a really healthy relationship, Like that's really impressive.
Speaker 4: I think certainly the home you grow up and can
Speaker 4: give a girl a bad physiqu dysmorphia, a bad eating habits.
Speaker 4: I think if a girl's raised by a mom or
Speaker 4: a dad, but usually it's the mom, and the mom
Speaker 4: has a bad relationship with food. It is constantly weighing
Speaker 4: herself and constantly dieting and constantly doing all these things.
Speaker 4: And the girl grows up and sees that and models
Speaker 4: their behavior after that. And here's the mom say, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm so fat. I hate how this looks on me.
Speaker 4: I hate my legs. Then I think that that becomes
Speaker 4: that translates onto the kids. Yeah, we don't have a
Speaker 4: scale that I'm aware of in my house. I think
Speaker 4: with my kids, we focus again on the inputs. I'll
Speaker 4: never say to like, I'm like, kid, oh, you've gained weight,
Speaker 4: don't do that. I won't say it that. I'll say,
Speaker 4: let's go for a walk today. Did you go for
Speaker 4: a walk day? Let's go for a walk today. You know,
Speaker 4: I won't punish them for having something sweet. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you want something sweet, make sure you had your vegetables first.
Speaker 4: So we'll focus on the positive.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I had a friend who's a little
Speaker 1: older than me, and so she has a daughter. And
Speaker 1: at the time, I think her daughter was eight or nine,
Speaker 1: and I was at our house and her daughter came
Speaker 1: downstairs and she said, my legs are so so big,
Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, oh, here we go. And
Speaker 1: instead I was so impressed with my friend. She said
Speaker 1: I know, isn't it amazing how strong you are? And
Speaker 1: the little girl was like, yes, it's awesome, and they
Speaker 1: had this whole positive interaction. And here I was, because
Speaker 1: of the way I was raised, having a whole different experience,
Speaker 1: Like I thought it was going to go a whole
Speaker 1: different way. So I love to see when it is possible.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think getting into weight training at a young
Speaker 4: age as a guy was really good for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually had something called big orexia, which is the
Speaker 4: opposite of anorexia. No matter how big or muscular I was,
Speaker 4: I always thought I was a puny weakling. And this
Speaker 4: is a common thing guys don't talk about. It was
Speaker 4: called the Adonna's complex as well big erexia or the
Speaker 4: Adonna's complex, And so I would wear ultra baggy clothes
Speaker 4: all the time, even though I was a massive dude. Wow,
Speaker 4: in my mind, I was puny. I was tiny. I
Speaker 4: never took my shirt off on the beach, you know.
Speaker 4: And when I was young, and and this is gonna
Speaker 4: sound strange, but what cured me is one time I
Speaker 4: was dating some girl and I took my shirt off
Speaker 4: and she said, ew, you're so big. You're too big.
Speaker 4: That's disgusting, and I'm like, really, it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 4: too big, the muscles are too big. That's gross. I'm like, really,
Speaker 4: you don't say, oh, yeah, maybe I am big and
Speaker 4: in my head like it took that to register. It
Speaker 4: took a girl being grossed out that I was too
Speaker 4: big and too muscular, because I'm like, there's no way
Speaker 4: she's lying. That's an honest opinion she'd give me like okay,
Speaker 4: And then like after that, I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: wearing normal clothes now, and I guess I am big
Speaker 4: and muscular and this is okay, And now I don't
Speaker 4: want to beat that anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I have some rapid fire for you, the
Speaker 1: number one car, but we should eat on the regular.
Speaker 4: Berries, all kinds of berries, lots of fiber and fiber nutrients.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the fast food place, You're okay eating at
Speaker 1: all of them? Really?
Speaker 4: I love McDonald's. I absolutely love McDonald's. I've said it.
Speaker 4: I can't believe that I love McDonald's.
Speaker 2: What's your order?
Speaker 4: My order is this is going to seem weird. I
Speaker 4: love an egg McMuffin, but I get a double egg. No, butter,
Speaker 4: no bacon, and I have two of them, so I
Speaker 4: have four eggs with two half buns. Sometimes I'll get
Speaker 4: two cheeseburgers no onion, and I'll take the top one
Speaker 4: off and I'll put them together and make my own
Speaker 4: double burger with like a small well done French fry.
Speaker 4: Oh I love McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Okay, the number one TikTok trend that you want to debunk.
Speaker 4: I am about to say something that you're going to
Speaker 4: laugh at. I don't use TikTok. I think I have
Speaker 4: an account, but it's just too much.
Speaker 1: The health concept that makes you want to face palm yourself.
Speaker 4: Where do I begin raw milk? That's crazy. Not having
Speaker 4: a measles vaccine, that's crazy. Most of these peptides today
Speaker 4: that have never been tested on human beings. They have
Speaker 4: no safety regulation, so that's crazy. Gosh, yeah, that'll Oh.
Speaker 4: Some people do this thing where they take their blood
Speaker 4: out and wash it and put it back in. That's insane.
Speaker 1: That's particularly insane. Not that everything else that you mentioned isn't.
Speaker 1: But they're saying they're taking plastics out of their blood,
Speaker 1: but all the tubes that they're is plastic. It's plastic.
Speaker 4: That's insane. And there's no sciences. It's insane. How about colonics,
Speaker 4: that's insane, especially coffee colonics. No, let me teach you
Speaker 4: how to drink coffee. That's you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay. The celebrity whose health habits we should all follow.
Speaker 4: The celebrity whose health habits we should all follow. I
Speaker 4: have a client. If you're into art, you'll know who
Speaker 4: he is. His name is Jonas Would, one of the
Speaker 4: most famous modern artists in the world. He has it down.
Speaker 4: That guy has just got such incredible what he does.
Speaker 4: He's got a great balance of walking and hiking and
Speaker 4: strength training and all the right things in his diet
Speaker 4: is incredible.
Speaker 2: And the health habit everybody needs.
Speaker 4: The health hack that everybody needs. Ooh, the health hack. Oh,
Speaker 4: put your room into a really cold temperature before bed.
Speaker 4: I'm at sixty seven degrees. You'll get into deep sleep
Speaker 4: a lot faster.
Speaker 1: Fibermaxing healthier hyped fibermaxing.
Speaker 4: Boy maxing anything is not a good idea. Maxing fiber
Speaker 4: is a really bad idea. You need to leave your
Speaker 4: house with a diaper. I think having the optimal amount
Speaker 4: of fiber both from water soluble and insoluble is a
Speaker 4: good thing.
Speaker 1: If somebody were to pick up one book right now
Speaker 1: of yours, what would you tell them to pick up
Speaker 1: the book?
Speaker 4: I would say, I would say the two least successful
Speaker 4: books I've written are probably the two best books I've written,
Speaker 4: but they're the least sensationalized, they're the most helpful. One
Speaker 4: is a book called Five Pounds, and one is The
Speaker 4: World Diet. You know, you know books like Body Reset,
Speaker 4: Diet it really well and that's helpful, and five five
Speaker 4: Factor Died and five Factor. Of those are great books.
Speaker 4: But I think the World Diet it's fascinating and helpful,
Speaker 4: and Five Pounds is really really helpful.
Speaker 2: What is a book that you've read that changed your
Speaker 2: life that you think everybody should.
Speaker 4: Richtor frankel Man search for me, and it keeps changing,
Speaker 4: and the more you read it, it just gets better
Speaker 4: and better and better. I would also say, sapiens, don't
Speaker 4: read it linearly, like it's not a beginning to end story.
Speaker 4: You can pick it up and read it tangentially, pick
Speaker 4: up any random two pages and just read it, and
Speaker 4: it's it's so fascinating, And I think I think we
Speaker 4: have to learn history to understand the present and what's coming,
Speaker 4: and so many of us don't know. We don't know
Speaker 4: what happened a month ago, or a year ago or
Speaker 4: five years ago. And and you can talk about this,
Speaker 4: whether it be politics, whether it be geography, whether it
Speaker 4: be medicine, science, all of these things. Understanding the history
Speaker 4: of humanity. Yeah, so helpful for understanding what's coming next.
Speaker 1: Will you grab the question everything card game beside you
Speaker 1: and pick whichever card calls to you?
Speaker 4: Okay, which expert do you want lessons from? Wow? Which
Speaker 4: expert do you want? Can I have three?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, I would say. I would say Scottie Scheffler to
Speaker 4: teach me how to golf better.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I would say Chef Nobu Matsuhisa, so I can make
Speaker 4: the best Japanese food anytime I want. And I would say,
Speaker 4: can they be dead or alive?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Either, I would say. A guy who no one probably remembers,
Speaker 4: named Mike Mentzer, who wrote the first strength training book
Speaker 4: on the philosophy of strength training. He ended up in
Speaker 4: an asylum actually when he wrote it, but an amazing guy.
Speaker 4: Oh and hold one more. Arthur Jones, who's that who
Speaker 4: invented strength equipment. He created nautilus cool, and I would
Speaker 4: say him, I'd want to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe you were able to rattle those
Speaker 1: off at the top of your head.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would be able to.
Speaker 4: I got ten more if you, I mean, I could
Speaker 4: keep going yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I want to do a peptide.
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Speaker 4: Okay, sure, yeah, And.
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Speaker 4: No one knows.
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Speaker 4: Semi gluetide is a GLP one. Transepetide is a GLP
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Speaker 1: True tide. Is it the next GLP one that's coming
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Speaker 4: No one knows. Still not done FDA trials. It might
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Speaker 4: apparently Eli Lilly has something coming after that that's way
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Speaker 4: rhet true tide gets FDA approval. If it does so,
Speaker 4: who knows NAD plus zero science to support it?
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Speaker 2: Melanotin two, the tanning.
Speaker 4: Peptide, no one knows.
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Speaker 4: Hormone stack, no one knows.
Speaker 1: And then I heard about the wolverine uh stack.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't give you any to my kids. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: give these to my parents. I think life is too short.
Speaker 4: If you're not nailing your diet, if you're not nailing
Speaker 4: your strength training, you're not nailing your steps, if you're
Speaker 4: not nailing your sleep, if you're not nailing your social life,
Speaker 4: if you're not doing these things and you're focusing on
Speaker 4: buying a non scientifically tested drug in the Internet from
Speaker 4: some random dude in a basement somewhere that you know
Speaker 4: because your buddy said, my skin turned orange, and now
Speaker 4: it's great. I think you're missing the boat, Charley.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your common sense strategy to help. It's
Speaker 2: so refreshing. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day.
Speaker 1: To have a good day. I'll see you next week.
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