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Speaker 1: I'm Bucky Brooks and this is the Clemson Tigers defensive

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Speaker 1: line three sixty. There's pressure right in the face. Get

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Speaker 1: actually here it comes pressure and he's hit and dropped,

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Speaker 1: second out of nine, looking out the Christian Kings toy. Alright, Buck,

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Speaker 1: For those that don't know about the three sixty series,

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Speaker 1: episode because it's not often you have a defensive line

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Speaker 1: as talented as this Clemson group all entering the draft

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Speaker 1: at the exact same time. So we're gonna do a

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Speaker 1: All Right. Before we get to those interviews, though, Buck,

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Speaker 1: say we start, Let's start with let's start with a

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Speaker 1: big Dexter there, Dexter Lawrence, UH. Your evaluation of him

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Speaker 1: the next level. You know, Dexter is a very very

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Speaker 1: UM size, strength, athleticism, He has all those things in space,

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Speaker 1: but what he really has is a unique athleticism for

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Speaker 1: don't see guys who are that big that can move

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Speaker 1: then after the game we got into a bad accident.

428
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: We got it was like a three car accident. Somebody

429
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: hit us, then we end up hitting somebody else, and

430
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: so the car was totally lost and we drove home

431
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: in a total lost car because we were just so upset.

432
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: We were gonna spend a night. But I was like,

433
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: oh no. My husband at the time, Fyance, it was like,

434
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: oh we're going home. Well, you might be thinking there,

435
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the place to be. Then Let's did

436
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: not end up well at the end of that That's

437
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: what I was telling this. I said, oh, no, you're

438
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: not coming here. What changed? What changed? Be Coach Cobwell

439
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: called us back that summer when he was about to

440
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: become a singer. It was like, oh no, we gotta

441
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: have y'all back here. We gotta show y'all what Climpton

442
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: is all about. What happened? I mean, well, we you know,

443
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: we drove up there, and so when we get that

444
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: there was like, okay, some totally different. Can you imagine

445
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: it being a better experience with all the winning and

446
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: the production, uh and lord of the fun It looked

447
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: like that group had during his run there, Climps, I

448
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: can't imagine could have gone much better. Yes, I am

449
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: so happy that he chose Clipsons, not just because of

450
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: the winning, just because the overall environment. Well, I'll tell

451
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: you what, I'm excited for this next chapter for your son,

452
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: because all the background work that I've done on him,

453
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: I've got nothing but positives about him as a as

454
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: a worker, as a leader, and as just as a

455
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: as a quality young man. And he is a dynamic

456
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: football player who's gonna hear his name called in the

457
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: first round of the upcoming draft. And I cannot wait

458
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: to see where he lands and follow his career. And

459
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: I know that there will be uh maybe one person

460
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: more excited than Dexter on draft night, and that is you,

461
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: and you deserve it. You've done a great job raising

462
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: that young man, and we thank you so much for

463
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: taking some time for us today. Yes, thank you. I

464
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: get a chance to talk with his mom is one

465
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: thing that's always special. I'll tell you what else is

466
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: great when you get a chance to talk to the

467
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: high school coach of these players. But let's take that

468
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: to the next level, because not only are we going

469
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: to talk to the high school coach for Dexter Lawrence,

470
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: it's a man Bucky knows, he knows a little bit.

471
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: He knows pretty well considering it's his father, Blake Brooks.

472
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: All right, DJ is is not often did I get

473
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: a chance to call in the house to talk about

474
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: prospect that we're gonna talk about on the three sixties series. However,

475
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: my dad, Blake Brooks, h D line coach at Wake

476
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: Forest High School, had an opportunity to coach Dexter Lawrence.

477
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: So we're gonna bring him in and Pops, look, this

478
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: is your day. You I'm gonna give you an opportunity

479
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: to talk about decks. And I want to go all

480
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: the way back to the first time that you saw

481
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Dexter walk through the halls of the school. What did

482
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: you think about when you met Dexter. Well, the first

483
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: time I saw dexon Villa was um parent night in

484
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: the main gym where we invite all the parents in

485
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: with their kids to us sell out program, to promote

486
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: our football program. And when Dexter walked into the door,

487
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: I said, excuse me if I offended about it. Blessed

488
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: be the name of the Lord. He was a ninth grader. Wow,

489
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: he was the biggest fourteen year old I have ever seen.

490
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: That's how I reacted, and I might have been burned

491
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: straight to pre ran over to him to make sure

492
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: that the offensive line coach didn't see him first. M

493
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: that's not he went straight to praise music. Straight to

494
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: praise music when you saw Dexter. That's fantastic, Yes, um,

495
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Dexter was a blessing to our program. Really, hey dad, Um,

496
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: so you told me a lot about Dexter being fourteen,

497
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: but he wasn't really a football only guy. You talked

498
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: about having to lure him away from basketball. What kind

499
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: of athlete was Dexter? Uh? As a young player, Um,

500
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, Dexter had a lot of ability, a lot

501
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: of agility, and his footwork was fantastic. The thing that

502
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: basketball helped him more than anything else with his footwork.

503
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: But he was that fantastic basketball player. And there was

504
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: a tug between playing football with us and playing a

505
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: a U basketball. One time he got bored with because

506
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: we had him only j V at first, because we

507
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: just wanted him to, you know, with his beak, and

508
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: he quit. Well, he stayed home a couple of times

509
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: because he thought football was boring. So immediately Reggie and

510
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: I when it got him, and we brought him about

511
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: the vosity because he was so dominant that no one

512
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: could block him on JV. And we found out he

513
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: was so dominant they couldn't block him. True story. Coach.

514
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: Was he there at the same time as Bryce Love

515
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: where they were they teammates? Yeah? Bryce Love? Did you

516
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: have to tell Dexter a don't don't hurt Bryce? Did

517
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: you have to tell him at some point in time? Hey,

518
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: we need Bryce, We need Bryce to be healthy, Dexter

519
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: and practice. You gotta take it easy on Bryce. Well,

520
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: what we did, we are we emphasized the Dex, not

521
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: the touch bryce or the quarterback, So we didn't allow

522
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: him to tackle. UM in about on offense. Really, he

523
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,239
Speaker 1: was that good at that dog Okay, so so so

524
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: that there there's been a lot of fascination about what

525
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Dex could be at the next level. UM. Clemson used

526
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: him as a nose tackle primarily. Uh, do you think

527
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: he is just a nose tackle or do you think

528
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: he has the ability to do more than just be

529
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: a guy that plays right over top of the center. Um.

530
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: He has ability to play anywhere on the defensive line. UM.

531
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: Mostly we lined him up at three tech three technique,

532
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: and then we will move him around depending on the

533
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: blocking schemes of the offense we're playing against our opponent.

534
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: That's who can play anywhere on the on the defensive line.

535
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: We even lined him up on the offensive line a

536
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: couple of times doing during playoff games, just to at

537
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: change the pace to play big boy football, power football coach.

538
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I would imagine, and you had a parade of college

539
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: coaches rolling through there during during recruiting. What was it

540
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: like during that process? I would imagine just constantly you

541
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: must have had head coaches rolling through your school. Um,

542
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: it was it was different because we never had the

543
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: play of death of caliber, so he was special and

544
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of head coaches came through

545
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: and he just kept a lot of things on the

546
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: downloads so that it wouldn't be he wouldn't get distracted,

547
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: and we helped them through that process. But yes, when

548
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: they found out about him, it was it was unbelievable, unbelievable,

549
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: and he's proved troothing everything that they saw in him.

550
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: In fact, Clemson kind of just wanted him at the

551
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: end to be a nose tackle and but decks of

552
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: really hasn't shown all his ability in my opinion, m

553
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: because when he lines up at three techniques, he is

554
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: a terror. He wants to be great, he wants to

555
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: be dominant, and he is. He dominated every opponent that

556
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: we played, even though we lost a championship game with

557
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: him dominant performances and he made everybody around him better,

558
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, Dad, And thinking about uh, some of the

559
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: adversity or any adversity, has there been anything that you

560
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: can think of where you've seen Dexter have to overcome

561
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: an obstacle adversity that will make him better prepared to

562
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: play and be successful in the pros. Well, I hadn't

563
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: been around him much since he's been at Clemson, but um,

564
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: I would think the only adversity that I've seen that

565
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: we know about it uh when he got hurt of

566
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Clemson and it took a while for him to get

567
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: back because that's the first time you have been hurt before.

568
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: But he did overcome it, and that that shows how

569
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: hard he worked, how hard he believes in his ability.

570
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: So uh and at one point we used to talk

571
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: all the time about personal things and that's the wanted

572
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: to be and Uh, I wanted to be an MBI agent.

573
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: So I told him that ud be the biggest MPI.

574
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: But he was just he was a joy he was

575
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: to be around. Coach. Last question from me, Um, what

576
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: do we have to do to get a Wake Forest

577
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: High School? Granada Hills High School? Cross country game? Father

578
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: versus Son, Brooks versus Brooks. Maybe you guys can meet

579
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: in Texas and we can play that game there. We

580
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: gotta make this happen. Coach, Um d J. I have

581
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: been married forty nine years. I will not playing my

582
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: son against my son. Come in this house with my

583
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: wife I'll move over to Granada and coach for him.

584
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: He will beat my Now we're talking. Okay, okay, I'll

585
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: take that. I'll take that. Hey, Pops, thanks for um,

586
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the moon Sticks podcast. Your insight

587
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: on Dexter is great. All right, thanks for very much.

588
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Love you guys. One thing that I do know is, man,

589
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: my dad adores Dexter, and Dexter has really left a

590
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: strong impression on him, not only in terms of like

591
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: the kind of players that he coaches in the standard

592
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: that he said on the field, but just how he

593
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: was uh in the classroom and with others in the community.

594
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: And so when we think about Dexter and his impact, man,

595
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: how about Cleland Farrell and the impact that he has made.

596
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: And so we want to kind of check in with

597
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: a couple of people that know him really well. We're

598
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: gonna talk to his older brother, Sigmund Farrell and his

599
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: high school coach, Greg Lily Sigmond. First question from me,

600
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us a little bit about your family,

601
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: the number of siblings there for your brother, and what

602
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: it was like growing up in your household. Well, the

603
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: actual number of Sevelis is in total is nine Cleveland

604
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: is the youngest of all of them, and he's the

605
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: youngest son. And uh, growing up in the household, it

606
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: was pretty much UM. Our family was pretty much my

607
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: dad was military, I was military, My brother Byron was military.

608
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: My brother Clive after he's uh uh Richmond police officer,

609
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: so and his mom is military. So we had the

610
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: military burring growing up. And uh had a lot of

611
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: respect for the military, and so that's pretty much. Uh

612
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: kind of shows Cleveland's affection for the military. He went

613
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: to Benedictine, which is a military prep school as well.

614
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: So uh, we kind of grew up having respect for

615
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: the military and and just a type family. My dad

616
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: always believing looking out for each other and and being

617
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: tighten and look and take care of family. I want

618
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: to go back to his beginning there is an athlete,

619
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: because I understand his his early athleticism was displayed not

620
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: on a football field, but but a soccer field, if

621
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: that's right. For sure. A lot of people don't know

622
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: about Cleveland. His actual first team sport was soccer, and uh,

623
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: me and his brothers we played basketball, ran track and tennis,

624
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: played tennis. But my dad wanted him to have his

625
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: own identity and do something different, and it was soccer,

626
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: and he was a great soccer player at that young age.

627
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: But it got to the point where me and my

628
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: brothers wanted him to play football. I had sons that

629
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: played football, so we wanted to get him on the

630
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: football field and do something different. His mom and my

631
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: dad were reluctant at first word about him getting hurt,

632
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, uh, And we kind of urged them and

633
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: cut pressure in them, and they finally relented in my opportunity.

634
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: And once he got out there, Uh. He his first game,

635
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: I actually remember, and he was getting double team pushed

636
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: to the ground, and his spirit was a little broken,

637
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: and he had tears in his eyes. And I remember

638
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: my father and my brother Byron, and I put him

639
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: to the sideline and we told him, asking what's going

640
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: on while you have tears in your eyes, and he said,

641
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: keep pushing me the ground, A double team in me.

642
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: And we told him, nobody double team you because they

643
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: see that your threat and you're great, so used that

644
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: to your advantage because people biggers don't mean they're stronger.

645
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: And he went back out on that field and he

646
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: dominated the rest of that game. And that's when I

647
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: knew I said, my brother right there, he he has

648
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: the heart and that's what it took. So I knew

649
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: from that point on, from college to high school, Uh,

650
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: he was getting double team because his talent level and

651
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: people feared him and and he realized that it wasn't

652
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: the fact that he couldn't make every play, but given

653
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: the opportunities for other people to make plays, what was

654
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: it like? Uh, have you got chance to be around

655
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: him and the team or you know, during his his

656
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: college career, did you notice did you pick up on

657
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the bond between this group of defensive lineman we see

658
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: all these guys enter in the NFL at one time here.

659
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: It's a pretty unique story. But you know what it

660
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't anything shocking to me. That's how we

661
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: were raised. Uh. As brothers were tightening it, we look

662
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: out for each other. And to see him transcend it

663
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: upon his teammates and stuff, I wasn't shocked at all.

664
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: He loved those guys. Uh. Like like he said, they'll

665
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: be at his wedding, He'll be at their wedding. And

666
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: I think I would give props to Dabbo. He the

667
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: culture that he brought as far as family and them guys.

668
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: They played for each other. Then out of the pistol.

669
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: Now in book look out and he gets buried by

670
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: Cleyland Furled. Well, he's uh, he is such a fun

671
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: player to watch. If you were going to describe him,

672
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to. You know, we we have

673
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: a scouting background here, so I'm gonna ask you, as

674
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: as big brother here, to put your scouting hat on

675
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: a little bit and tell me what What's what's gonna

676
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: make him hitting great at the next level. He's dominant

677
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: at the college level. What's gonna what's gonna carry him

678
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: forward to make him great the NFL level? His mentality,

679
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: his his his attitude. Uh, he's very humble and he

680
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: realizes at each level you start over and we being

681
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: the Benedicting, I mean, he was great, but he had

682
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: to earn that. And then getting to Clemson, he he

683
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: had to earn that. So nothing is given to him.

684
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: He always earned everything. He had, works hard um and

685
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: he plays for his team and he wants to learn,

686
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to let anybody down, so he's

687
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: eager to get out there. I tell people he's very humble,

688
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: and he comes to my home, he'll sit here and

689
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think he even played football. But when he

690
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: puts that uniform on, he turns into a totally different person.

691
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: He turns into a beast. And that's as type president

692
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: as he cares for everybody, and I think that that's

693
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: what he's gonna transcend on that locker room. I cannot

694
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: wait to watch him compete at the next level. One

695
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite players to watch in this draft class

696
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: and year. Learn a little bit more about these players,

697
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: you find out where they've how they've gotten to where

698
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: they are. It sounds like you have just an amazing family.

699
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: Thank your entire family for their service. By the way,

700
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: it's it's an honor to speak with you. Well, thank

701
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: you for taking the time to speak with me. I

702
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: really appreciate it, all right, Buck excited to be joined

703
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: by Greg Lily, who was a head coach at Benedict

704
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: and Prep there in Richmond, Virginia, had a chance to

705
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: coach one of the talented members of this Clemson defensive line. Coach.

706
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: First of all, thank you so much for taking some

707
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: time for us today. And and first question from me,

708
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: tell me the first time you you got to to

709
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: see Cleveland. Farrell and what your impression was. I met

710
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland when he was an eighth grader. Um, he was

711
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: at a middle school and uh, he was coming in

712
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: an interview too through the admissions process to hopefully be

713
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: accepted to Benedictin. And uh, quite honestly, I remember meeting

714
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: his mom more than I remember meeting Cleveland, because his

715
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: mom is a very impressive lady. And uh, and she

716
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: she was the one that brought him in. And she

717
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: was a former staff n CEO in the in the Army,

718
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: so we had a connection through our military service. But

719
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland was just a tall, gangly, awkward, kind

720
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: of dorky kid as an eighth grader. You know, so

721
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: coach in thinking about him being tall and gangly as

722
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: an eighth grader, uh, described the first time that you

723
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch him move around being in

724
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: football or doing another sport. We had just to watch

725
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: him move around a little bit when he was playing

726
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: basketball as an eighth grader. But then also as he

727
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: got into the weight room with us that summer and

728
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: with his length, you did kind of say, man, this

729
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: kid's got a lot of potential. But quite honestly, there

730
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: was other kids in that class that were coming in

731
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: that we probably thought were going to be a little

732
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: better football players. Um, and you know shows you what

733
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: we knew back then. So coach, for those that don't know,

734
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you touched on your military background. Um, Cleveland

735
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: comes from a very heavy military family. Um. But Benedictine

736
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: as a school, it's not just a traditional high school.

737
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain the vironment there. But we're

738
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: an all boys, Catholic military day school. So we're you know,

739
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: one of two or three in the country that are

740
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: sort of set up this way. Uh, and it is

741
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: a very unique format. Um. You know the fact that

742
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: we're all boys. It allows these guys to be able

743
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: to come in here, be themselves, um, kind of develop

744
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: a personality, uh, not be afraid to to sort of

745
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: dream big. And you'll see Cleveland right that sometimes on

746
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: his uh his arm band when he was playing at Clemson.

747
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: And uh, we give guys the opportunity to come in

748
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: here and not be afraid to fail because the social

749
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: setting is is really pretty easy. It's about two hu

750
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: or fifty fourteen eighteen year old guys that become like

751
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: brothers and uh, you know us as a military school, honestly,

752
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: it gives us a It gives us a little bit

753
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: of routine, a little bit of structure. But you know,

754
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: I was in the Marines, were not special forces here. Uh.

755
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: It just gives us an added sense of discipline throughout

756
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: the day and um and routine. And I think the

757
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: guys like that structure more than anything else. It creates

758
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: a little camaraderie. And I think that's the thing that probably,

759
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: uh Cleveland remembers the most about this place is the brotherhood.

760
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I think what you know, Mr admitators Ferrell, we're looking

761
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: for was probably a little bit of that structure and

762
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: routine and felt like Cleveland probably needed that throughout his

763
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: high school years. Coach, and thinking about that discipline in structure,

764
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: because you've been around Cleveland for so long, how is

765
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: he intrinsically motivated? How does he keep himself uh, focused

766
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: on dreaming bigger, having higher aspirations without others kind of

767
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: fueling those dreams and aspirations. I think he comes from

768
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: a great family. I think he comes from a family that, um,

769
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: it's just natural for them to serve their community, to

770
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: serve the country, to serve God. I remember visiting Cleveland

771
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: at Compson a year or two ago and and his

772
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: goal on their team list was to serve. I mean

773
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: that was the only two words he wrote down, was

774
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: to serve. And I think he learned that from his parents.

775
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: I hope we were an extension of that during his

776
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: high school years. And I know the coaches, the community,

777
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: the players, his fellow defensive linement at Clemson, I know

778
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: those guys have been a great impact on him. And

779
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: have you know, continued that that philosophy of helping others.

780
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's been a big thing, um, you know,

781
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: just been put into him by his family and stilled

782
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: in him and his fan by his family. Coach. We

783
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: saw him at the collegiate level on the biggest stages

784
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: in the in the lights were the brightest, he was

785
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: at his best. And you go back and look at

786
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: the Alabama game last year, playing for a national championship

787
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: against an elite opponent, and he took his game even

788
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: higher to a new level. Is there an example of

789
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: him at the high school level, maybe against one of

790
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: your better opponents, a rivalry, or or a moment where

791
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: you saw him kind of embrace that spotlight and the challenge.

792
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: His first game as a sophomore, he ended up. We

793
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: had played him on the JV as a freshman. That

794
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: tells you how smart we are. And uh, we played

795
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: in one game his first game as a sophomore, he

796
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: has three acts and probably five tackles for a loss.

797
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: So we sat there and said, I think I think

798
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: we got so many pretty special here. Um his junior year. Uh,

799
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're playing in a good conference, and

800
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: there was a couple of teams that we played, um,

801
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: you know that had some guys that we never d

802
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: one guys, and uh, he really stepped up in those games.

803
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: Games against Fort Union, games against Liberty Christian, games against

804
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: what very Forest, and uh it was you know, it

805
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: was good to see that. But the thing with him,

806
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think more than anything is his day

807
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: to day to approach to things, his willingness to get better,

808
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: as willingness to be coached. Um, I think that's what's

809
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: kind of set him apart from uh, a lot of

810
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: our guys, um you know, our players here, but I

811
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: also think guys in college. Mean, he wasn't the quote

812
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: unquote five star guy coming out. I mean, he was

813
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: a high highly ready to recruit, but he wasn't a

814
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: top ten guy and Uh. I don't think he's been

815
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: one of those guys that's put a chip on the shoulder.

816
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: I just think he gets up every day and wants

817
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: to go to work, you know, a coach and thinking

818
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: about guys that that want to go to work. He's

819
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: had to overcome a little diversity in his life. Can

820
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: you talk about some of the obstacles he's had to

821
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: overcome to make his way to being on the verge

822
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: of being a top NFL draft pick. But he blew

823
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: his knee out going into his senior year. Um, the

824
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: we had played him, we had played one scrimmage and

825
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: quite honestly, had probably taken him out about twenty plays

826
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: into it because we couldn't get a look at anybody

827
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: else in the defense because he's making every tackle. So um,

828
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: we get him into the second scrimmage and again guys

829
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: can't even get their hands on him. But he's chasing

830
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback down and doesn't get hit and just you know,

831
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: pops his knee and blows his kneel and so he

832
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: tore his a c L And I'll never forget it.

833
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: He was sitting in this office with me and with

834
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: coach York, and we told him that you know, you

835
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: had tourn your A c L. You're gonna be out

836
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: your senior year. And this is when you can kind

837
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: of tell he was growing up a little bit and

838
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: you could see his unselfishness. He started crying. And my

839
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: response to him, of course, was Cleveland gonna be fine.

840
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: Clemson still wants you. You've got a great feature ahead

841
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: of you. This gives you had a year to get bigger, stronger, faster.

842
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: And you know, he said, actually got emotional and got

843
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: upset with me and said, Coach, I don't care about

844
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: any of that. I just wanted to play with my classmates.

845
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to play with my teammates. I wanted to

846
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: win a state championship in my senior year for my school.

847
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: And and that's when it was kind of like, guy, this,

848
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, this guy really gets This guy understands football.

849
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: This guy understands the meaning of being a teammate and

850
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: being unselfish and committing to others. And and I would

851
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: tell you know, and then that was just an injury. Um.

852
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: The biggest diversity that Cleveland's had to deal with was,

853
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: I mean, his father died when he was in ninth

854
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: grade year. Have been enicted and I'll never forget it.

855
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: His father came in with with two of his brothers,

856
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: and UM came in, sat down with myself in one

857
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: of our military instructors and said, you know, I'm I am,

858
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: I have gotten cancer again. This is the second time

859
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: I've gotten it. I may not be around here for long.

860
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: And UM, you know when I go, I just need

861
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: you to make sure that you push my son as

862
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: much as as you possibly can. That he's got a

863
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: chance to be great. UM, and we just want him

864
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: to work as hard as he possibly can to achieve,

865
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, all of his potential. And I don't think

866
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: his dad was talking about the NFL or the n

867
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: b A. I just think he wanted him to be

868
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: a great man. And UM, you know that was Uh,

869
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember. And I've been doing this fifteen years.

870
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the only time that's happened. And uh,

871
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: it was UM a little bit you know, humbling obviously

872
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: that we were in that position to hopefully mold this

873
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: this young man and formed this young man, um, and

874
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: was also something I very much looked forward to. But

875
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: the nice thing is that we're in a place here

876
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: to where you know, when we go to the dad's

877
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: funeral about eight eight weeks later, two months later, you know,

878
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: his whole j V all of his teammates were there

879
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: and uh UM and you can tell Cleveland was sad.

880
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: But I'll never forget the smile on his face at

881
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: his father's funeral when he saw Ramon Jones, M. L A.

882
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Hamilton and all of his teammates, UM and his classmates

883
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: from school. And that's when you just knew he was

884
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: a good kid. He was a kid who you know,

885
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: who trusted his friends, who trusted his classmates. And I

886
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: loved being a part of this school, loved being a

887
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: part of the team. Uh. I loved being part of

888
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: a you know, a family and uh and was willing

889
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: to take their support and their love and worked through

890
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: that process. Well, coach, you've you've given us some great

891
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: insight here on your former player. And last question for me,

892
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: and I'll let you run again. Thank you for your time.

893
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: But when you when you learn everything we've learned about Cleveland, Um,

894
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: from from family members, from coaches, from teammates at Clemson,

895
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: from coaches at Clemson, I don't know, Coach, I I've

896
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: We've been doing this bucket myself been scouting for a

897
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: long time, scouting in the NFL, and when you part

898
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: painting a picture of a person like this, not just

899
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: a player, but the person. I just find hard to

900
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: believe that that Cleveland is going to be anything but

901
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean anything other than successful. I mean he is.

902
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to I hate the word can't miss it.

903
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's always bad, bad luck to say that.

904
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: But in your opinion, I mean, does this kid carry

905
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: any risk at all? Because I sure don't see it.

906
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: You know, from a character standpoint, you guys can do

907
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: the evaluation and and all those pro scouts and procap

908
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: pro coaches do the evaluation on whether these guys are

909
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: good enough to play. I know this, Um, he's a

910
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: guy I want to be around all the time. His

911
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: family are people I want to be around all the time.

912
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: He's a high character guy. Um. If you know, if

913
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: if I'm you know, figuring out a group of guys

914
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: that I want to be around that I want to

915
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: accomplish a mission with, Cleveland's one of the first guys

916
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: I want on my team. And uh, um, you know,

917
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means he's he's good enough

918
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: to have, you know, to be an all pro or

919
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: if that's good enough to you know, to have a

920
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: long term career in the NFL. But I know he'll

921
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: be successful in whatever he does because he's just a

922
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: high character young man. You know, a coach where he

923
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: certainly learned a lot about character working under your tutelage.

924
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining the Mood of Sticks podcast.

925
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: We really appreciate your contributions to the podcast. I thank

926
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: you guys for having me. I appreciate it. Hey Buck,

927
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: it's uh. It continues to check all the boxes for

928
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: me on Farrell. I mean when you talk to people

929
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: that know him at the school and now you get

930
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: a chance to dig a little bit deeper into his background. Um,

931
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: you can tell military background. It shows too. I mean

932
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: everything that you see and hear about him, tough, discipline, reliable, dependable,

933
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: all those words continually come up, and when you get

934
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: a chance to dig into his background, it starts to

935
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: all make sense. It does make sense, um, I mean

936
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about with each of these guys, I think

937
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: the thing that stands out and you're talking about great

938
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a people, guys who are terrific people, great in the community,

939
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: great with the people that really have impacted them. They

940
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: left positives, impressions, and then when you see the tape

941
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: is easy to fall in love with them. Farrell is

942
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: a guy that is easy to root for. Um. I

943
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: love all the positivity about his story and I think

944
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: he's going to continue to do great things when he

945
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: gets into the league. One of the people we're really

946
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: looking forward to chatting with as we're doing this three

947
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: sixties series focusing on these Clemson defensive lineman. I don't

948
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: know there's a better one to talk to than Tom

949
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: Lugan Bill, who was ESPN recruiting lead analysts there. He's

950
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 1: also doing these college football games each and every week

951
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: at ESPN. He's been doing a long time. He's a

952
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: very sharp football mine played the quarterback position, son of

953
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: a coach. I mean, he's he's as sharp as it gets.

954
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: And who would better know these kids from Clemson not

955
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: only what they did at the collegiate level, but circling

956
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: all the all the way back to their high school days.

957
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: All right, Tom, First of all, I want to focus

958
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: on these these Clemson kids, these defensive linemen, and go

959
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: back to to high school. I know, Uh, obviously Dexter

960
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence following recruiting loosely, I mean I even I was

961
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: aware of of who he was and how highly coveted

962
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: he was. What was he like as a high school player? Well,

963
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I would make the argument and in that particular class,

964
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: which you know, featured Nick Bosa at all of her

965
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: featured Christian Wilkins, a slew of defensive lineman. You could

966
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: make an argument that he was the most talented of

967
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: them pound for pound, but he didn't play that way.

968
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: Each and every play. His production was down because he

969
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: didn't have the motor of an at Oliver or a

970
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. But when he turned it on, he was

971
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the class. And I you know,

972
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: I've watched him evolved now at Clemson, and I think

973
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: he's an undervalued pass rusher or pocket collapse or if

974
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: you will, because of their substitution and what they did.

975
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: They'd pull him off the field on obvious passing down,

976
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: so you didn't really see what he's capable of as

977
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: a pass rush. And I think it's much more than

978
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: he gets credit for. Yeah, absolutely, I mean early what

979
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: his freshman only at seven sacks and then they kind

980
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: of went to that race car package and and he's

981
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: out when they're in sub But even as a pocket pusher,

982
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you you've been around football a long time.

983
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: When you've got edge rushers, it's nice when you can

984
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: take away that escape patch, when you've got somebody that

985
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: can put the pocket in the middle. Yeah, you know,

986
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: he's built like a two gapper, but he runs like

987
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: a one gapper. He's got that initial first step first

988
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: that you see out of guys that are dramatically smaller

989
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: than he is. So you know, you kind of look

990
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: at him and said, well, could he play at the one? Yeah,

991
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: he could because he can anchor at the point of attack.

992
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Can you play at the three technique? Yeah, he's probably

993
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: quick enough to do it. I think again, it's it's

994
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: about developing that consistent motor so you get the consistent

995
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: production playing and play out with dextually. How about his

996
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: teammate there in Christian Wilkins from coming out of the

997
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: Northeast from correct there, what was his what was the

998
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: hype on him and the buzz on him as a

999
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: prospect as a high school So you know, well, I'm

1000
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: not sure if you're familiar, but we put together the

1001
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: under arm or all American Game and compile the rosters,

1002
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: and so the level of high school football, you know, natural,

1003
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be what it is in the state

1004
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: of Georgia or Texas, or California or Florida, And so

1005
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: we place a lot of stock on number one. Does

1006
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: he dominate the competition he was playing again, that answer

1007
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: was an unequivocal yes. Then when we got him involved

1008
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: in the Under Arm or All American Game, and you

1009
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: see him throughout the week, which you've cleaned so much

1010
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: more than just the game. It's just like the Senior

1011
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: Bowl for the same reasons. He was a dominant force

1012
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: at two positions on the edge and then of course

1013
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle. And if you if you fast forward

1014
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: to his freshman year and he kind of played on

1015
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: the inside. He played in the kicking game, and he

1016
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: was a productive contributor in a lot of areas. But

1017
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: when they had some injuries and they had to move

1018
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: some guys around. His sophomore he played almost exclusively in

1019
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: the defensive end spot. So I think his his versatility,

1020
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: his passion for the game. This is one of those

1021
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: guys DJ that loves the game of football. And I

1022
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't think you can ever undervalue that, and

1023
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: I think it shows in his play. He's somebody that

1024
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: and just talking to buddies that have gone in there

1025
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: on school visits and talk to people that I know

1026
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: around that program. I mean, football character is the term

1027
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: that just keeps coming back to me. They said it is,

1028
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is off the charts with this kid.

1029
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: Always a smile on his face, loves the game, loves

1030
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: the weight room, rallies the troops. I mean, he checks

1031
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: all of the boxes that you can't coach. And I

1032
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: think that maybe what he lacks in, you know, at

1033
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Oliver type athleticism, he's gonna make up for in some

1034
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: of those areas that are not only gonna make a

1035
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: team better, but they're gonna make your locker room special.

1036
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely well. From one kid who's highly thought of in

1037
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: that department to another one. Cleveland Farrell is another one

1038
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: who you know, just get glowing reports about him, not

1039
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: only as a player, you can see that, but but

1040
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: as a kid. But how about him in high school?

1041
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember what his what his situation was. I

1042
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: know he was hurt at towards a c L a

1043
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: senior year, so was he was he really the radar

1044
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, he was throughout the entire process. In fact,

1045
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: he didn't get to play in the under arm All

1046
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: American Game because he tore his a c l um.

1047
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: He was one of those kids that you loved because

1048
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: you saw a high ceiling for the development. He wasn't

1049
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: a big bulky kid. He had length, he was tall.

1050
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: You looked at him and he said, oh man, we

1051
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: can get this kid in the weight room and then

1052
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: we can get him developed and we can bring him

1053
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: along at a reasonable pace. And that's exactly what they did. Now,

1054
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: in my opinion, there's one thing that he's probably always lacked,

1055
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: and that's elite flexibility and bend. But he compensates with

1056
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: fantastic production. He uses his hands, he's got better functional

1057
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: strength than people think that he does, and I think

1058
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: he's got an array of moves where he can counter.

1059
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of football acumen and nuanced

1060
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: to him in my opinion, because he's just a good

1061
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: football player. You know, sometimes you're you're trying to put

1062
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: your finger on what it is that makes a guy special.

1063
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just back away and say, this guy is

1064
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: just a good player. He just makes plays. And when

1065
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: the lights were bright, look just look at what he

1066
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: did against Alabama and the two cracks he got and

1067
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. And now the kind of the forgotten man

1068
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: in this Clemson front is Austin Bryant, who is a

1069
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: really good football player. Unfortunately he just gets overshadowed by

1070
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: the rest of the group there he doesn't. I I

1071
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of liken it to Albert Huggins. You know, all

1072
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: the lavaloo about Dexter Lawrence not being able to play

1073
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: in the college football plaouf, did anybody notice? I mean,

1074
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: they were, they were fine. You know. It's just I

1075
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: think that's what makes this Clemson group so good is

1076
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: you can have a great player get overshadowed for two reasons.

1077
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: Number one other great players around him. But because of

1078
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: those great players, maybe he doesn't get the number of

1079
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: snaps that he would have gotten had he gone maybe

1080
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the conference or another program outside of

1081
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: the conference. Yeah, Buck, it's uh, it was. It was

1082
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: pleasure to talk to Tom. He uh, he's dialed in

1083
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: on these kids. He's dialed in on a very young age.

1084
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're crossed your paths cross with Tom. All

1085
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: the time doing all the work you do on the

1086
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: high school level. Yeah, Tom was always at the events,

1087
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: he was always in the opening finals. So he does

1088
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: know these guys. He knows him well. He is a

1089
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: top recruiting analysts, and his perspective and insight really helps

1090
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: us have even greater perspective on what these guys were,

1091
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: where they came from, where they're going, and how they

1092
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: could impact the league as pros. But look, the guy

1093
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: who has had maybe the big impact on these four

1094
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: players has been their head coach, Devil Swinning. Let's listen

1095
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: to his worse. You know, coach, everyone is really excited

1096
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: about your defensive line. So many guys that to have

1097
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go from Christian Wilkins to Dexter Lawrence

1098
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: and others. Uh, what makes the group so special Their commitment.

1099
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean they're not they're talented, but their commitment and

1100
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: work ethic. You know, you take great talent plus great

1101
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: work ethic and character, you get a superstar. And that's

1102
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: what they are. I mean, they're just special human beings

1103
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: that just happened to be great football players. They work

1104
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: at it. I mean they're they technically uh you know, grind,

1105
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: They mentally grind, they physically grind, and and good Lord

1106
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: gave him a ton of talent to go with it.

1107
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got a chance to catch up Coach Sweeney.

1108
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: But he's man, he is. He's quickly emerged on the

1109
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: Mount Russian War of college head coaches here over the

1110
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: last several years. That nothing, uh short of what Alabama's done.

1111
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: I would say, nobody's doing what Clemson has been able

1112
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: to do. And they've been able to dethrone the Crimson

1113
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: Tide on two occasions. So it's a it's a special

1114
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: group that he has built their special program, and it's

1115
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: great to get his insight on these kids. It is

1116
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: great to get his insight on the kids. I mean,

1117
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: to a man, these kids have have really been positive

1118
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: and complementary of Dabbo and his impact on them. And

1119
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: so uh, Debo deserves all the kudos that he gets.

1120
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: We not only building a great a program, but really

1121
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: making sure that you developed players the right way, no doubt. Well,

1122
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: it's great to hear from the coach. We've heard from

1123
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the past that that know

1124
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: these kids. Well, let's hear from these players themselves. Let's

1125
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: start here what the defensive ends. Let's hear from Cleveland

1126
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: Ferrell and Austin Bryant. Well, you guys are part of

1127
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: a powerhouse now. I guess Clemson is the powerhouse and

1128
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: college football based on the success that you guys hadd

1129
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: doing your careers. Cleveland, talk a little bit about the

1130
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: Clemson experience. I feel like Clemson is where is where

1131
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: uh college recruiting needs to be, where they so much

1132
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: want to be. You know, you're gonna have a great time,

1133
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: but if you want to go somewhere where your growth

1134
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: is gonna be the biggest thing, and you want to

1135
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: grow as a player man and be challenged and held

1136
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: accountable um and also have a chance to win championships

1137
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: like everybody wants to do. I feel like Clempson is

1138
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: top from top to bottom, the best school forward man

1139
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: for real. Austin, Why it's Clempson such a special place

1140
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, just echoing a lot of what Cleveland said. Man,

1141
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: I went to Clemson and definitely became a man. I

1142
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: grew more so off the field and I did on

1143
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: the field. H. Clemson is definitely a place for kids

1144
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: that you know, have the right traits to be a

1145
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: great human being to be a great person in life

1146
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: and to be honest. Clemson nurtures that and makes it

1147
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: even better. So the person that I was when I

1148
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: first walked on campus and the person that I was

1149
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: when I walked out two totally different people, more mature

1150
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: and just became a complete man. You're one of the

1151
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: things that Clemson has always been able to attract. It's

1152
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: been defensive Lineman. There's a long story tradition of guys

1153
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: that play upfront, not only having success in college but

1154
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: going on to the league. Um, what is it about

1155
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: the tradition and upholding that standard that is being created

1156
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: by your predecessors? Oh? Man, you know, I feel like

1157
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: it goes back to when uh Me and him were

1158
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: freshman and Shack and Kevin died, where you know, the

1159
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: two the two guys that was up next and they

1160
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: had a great season, And it's like, you know, when

1161
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: you're the next person or the next group of guys

1162
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: are supposed to step in and uphold that legacy and

1163
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: uphold that standard that we have a Clemson. It's like

1164
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: it only takes your work, I think, your mindset, and

1165
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: it really excites you that you get your opportunity to

1166
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: do that do those things. So it's a blessing to

1167
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: go to a school where you come from a great

1168
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, football DNA and D line DNA, but you

1169
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: really have to push put the work in and really

1170
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: become the players you want to be and uphold your

1171
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: own legacy. Austin, why is it that the d line

1172
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: continues to be so dominant? De line is a great

1173
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: position at Clemson, And it's definitely a position that, like

1174
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland said, has been great there. I have to they

1175
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: have done everything that we want to do in the future. Um,

1176
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: and I think for us when we were young guys,

1177
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: like he said, we've seen Shack, We've seen Kevin Dodd

1178
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: do it. So for us, we didn't want to let

1179
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: anybody down. So that really just feel how hard we

1180
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: were in the determination we had to be great as

1181
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: a whole and eventually grow into a leadership role and

1182
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: bringing the young guys along too. So I think that's

1183
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: what makes it so special is that the older guys

1184
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: that it's their time, they pull the younger guys along.

1185
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: So when it's finally their time, you know, that cycle

1186
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: just keeps going. I mean, obviously you guys, we can

1187
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: talk about the guys before you, but at the current moment,

1188
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: like you, guys had four guys that are gonna have

1189
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity playing in the the National Football League Cleland, what

1190
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: was the competition like in that defensive line room? Oh? Man,

1191
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: it only made us better. But I feel like the

1192
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: best thing about it and things that a lot of

1193
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: people don't really take value when is that, Um we

1194
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: were close before we stepped on the field together. Um,

1195
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: So that was something that really really made us better.

1196
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: When you when we wanted for each other, we wanted

1197
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: for ourselves. Man, we could push each other the limits

1198
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: that I couldn't really explain to you, you know what

1199
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean. So it was a blessing to play with

1200
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: these guys. Like you said, we had to fight for

1201
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: players out there because I got him and Christian and

1202
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: Deck's really out there ball and doing airthing, so I'm

1203
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: trying to fight for you know. Just had my own

1204
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: type of impact on the game. So it was huge, man,

1205
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: And come from a great tradition. I'm happy that we

1206
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of set our own legacy and I feel like

1207
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: we're the best group to ever do it at Clemson

1208
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: or in the history of college football. So it was

1209
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: a blessing. Yeah, definitely, man, And I feel like what

1210
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: sets us apart is we're just as great people as

1211
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: we are players. And I think that's a combination that

1212
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: you don't find very often that whatever program you go to,

1213
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: all along the defunseive line. And to correction, we got

1214
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: five D line and that's about to get drafted, so

1215
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: Albert Huggins too. Um. But that's just a testament to

1216
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: the people that Coach Sweeney brings into the program that

1217
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: really just keeps the cycle going. Um. Great athletes as well.

1218
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: You know Coach Sweeney, you know, like people really talking

1219
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: about like coaching and kind of making his way to

1220
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: the top. But what ain't from you guys is how

1221
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: he's really a nice leader of men and how he

1222
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: really nurtures the program. Cleveland talking about Coach Sweeney, Man,

1223
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: I love, I love the culture that he brought the

1224
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: Clemson Man. It's like you said, he's a leader of men.

1225
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: So his whole program is player led. So he puts

1226
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: it in our hands to to to to take the

1227
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: program as far as we want to go. Not many

1228
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: coaches do that. Many coaches want to you know, being

1229
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: on top of every single thing, get forced the players

1230
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: to to be great, but he really just challenges us

1231
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: to do those things on our own. And that's what

1232
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: I feel like made us grow so well, just as

1233
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: far as people men and players man, because he really

1234
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: puts it in the players hands. Like we had this

1235
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: thing called the Sweeney Council where he asks for our

1236
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: opinions not just about how we're playing, but about how

1237
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: the program is being ran, how's the food, how's it

1238
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: the treatment going, how how the coach is treating us?

1239
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: Different things like that, And that's something where he values

1240
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: our opinion, you know, as men and spiritually as well.

1241
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: He he opens that door for us to grow there

1242
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: as well. So it's a blessing to have a man

1243
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: like that, you know, represent our school for sure. Austin,

1244
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: what impact has Dabo had on you? I think the

1245
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: biggest thing that Coach Sweeney figured out is that you

1246
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: know that the most important resource in college football is

1247
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: the people that make it happen, and that's the players.

1248
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: Like Cleveland said, where a player drive and program. Uh

1249
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: So he gives us as much opinion, you know as

1250
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: we can give um to make the program better and

1251
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: to make it better for those coming behind us. And uh,

1252
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: like I said, bringing in the right people in the

1253
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: program that's gonna permeate the correct culture that you need

1254
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: to not only just be a powerhouse football team, but

1255
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: to also have that family environment where players want to

1256
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: come there. They sent something different whenever they're Clemson rather

1257
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: than any other school in the country. Well, man, we're

1258
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: excited to continue to see you guys take the next

1259
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: step on your football journey. Excited to hear all your

1260
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: names on draft night, Excited to see what you guys

1261
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: are able to do as NFL players and beyond. Thanks

1262
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: so much for joining the Move to six podcasts. Thank

1263
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: you so much. Al Right, back when we've heard outside, right,

1264
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: we got a chance to listen to your conversations with

1265
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: the defensive ends in this Clemson front, Let's move inside.

1266
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: You have a chance at the NFL Scouting Combine to

1267
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: catch up with Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence. And here

1268
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: are those conversations. You guys are coming from a very

1269
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: successful program, having been a couple of national titles. Want

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Speaker 1: claim claimed some trophies. Christian, how has that experience that

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Speaker 1: Clemson prepared you to have success at the next level? Well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like you know, well, just first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: just you know, the way Clemson helped groom us as

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Speaker 1: men first and foremost and just as people. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's the most important thing, definitely. And you know,

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Speaker 1: yeah it was you know, the program, the coaches and

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: guys and everybody involved and the people just around the facility.

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Speaker 1: But as the players, really, I feel like we challenge

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Speaker 1: each other a lot off the field, just to be

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Speaker 1: the best people we can be first, and then the

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Speaker 1: best athletes as well. And I just feel like all

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Speaker 1: the lessons I learned just you know, going against the

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: best every day in practice. You know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: like anything I ever saw in the game and college

1285
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: was never better than what I saw in practice. So

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Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I'm prepared on the football side

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Speaker 1: of things. Uh, you know, I decided to decide to

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Speaker 1: see where I end up and just you know, to

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Speaker 1: how this process will play out. And I think I'm

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01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: definitely ready for the next level. Dexter, how about you.

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01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, just to pick about what he said, I mean,

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01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: going to Clemson, I mean, that's there's kind of things

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: you expect to happen, you know, the girl as a man,

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: as a football player, and you know, just having that

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: kind of support around you just help you. You know,

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: the guys you know they're not holding your hand, but

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: you know they just give you advice here and there,

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, showing the examples or what not to do

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01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: or like you know, shun'all s was like be uh

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01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: the example or not an example kind of deal. So,

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of how you you just approach

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: life and kind of live. So there's there's a tradition

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: there obviously in the D line room. Um you guys,

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01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: not only this current collection, but there's been a lot

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01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: of guys that have kind of worned the origin going

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: on to have success in the National Football League. Christian,

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: what is it like to live up to the tradition

1308
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: of the defensive line that has been established? I mean

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01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: it's great and you know, the like there's no others

1310
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: pressure at Clemson, you know, especially when you're on the

1311
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: D line, you gotta you know, not only live up

1312
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: to the expectations, but exceed them. I feel like, you know,

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01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: because of the guys before us, all of our predecessors,

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01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, Grady the Shawn Williams, Josh Watson, you know,

1315
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: Carlos DJ, all those guys, Big Beasley, Uh, you know,

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: the Kwanbiles. We put so much pressure on ourselves as

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: men in that room, uh, you know, and just coming

1318
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: there like we gotta play to to the standard of

1319
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, Clempson D line, but also take it to

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01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: another level. Uh. You know, I feel we did that

1321
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: as a unit and as a group. Uh. And that

1322
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: with just our hoping is that the next guy's group

1323
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: of guys see what we did, and only you know,

1324
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: even you know, keep clumps of program going in the

1325
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: D line. So it's it's it's funny because you have

1326
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: a unique situation with so many guys in that room,

1327
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to be the first one or

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01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: the second one off the board. Dexter, How does the

1329
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: internal competition between you and your fellow teammates on the

1330
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: defensive line play out in practice? I say that said,

1331
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of competition. We're pushing each other every day.

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01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: Uh you know, in practice, we're trying to set the tone.

1333
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: We're trying to be the guy, you know, to make

1334
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: that first play to get the team rolled up. You know.

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01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: You know, just I just blessed to be in a

1336
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: space like that, you know, with these guys, just you know,

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01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: pushing you to be your best, you know, going so

1338
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say other other places, but

1339
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: there were we we had to be our best every day.

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01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: You know. You couldn't take a playoff, you couldn't take

1341
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: a rep off, you know, because that was that was critical.

1342
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, you wanted to prove that, you know, you're

1343
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: the man kind of deal. But at the same time,

1344
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: we used the junior and love for each other. I know,

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: I definitely agree. I felt like, you know, it was

1346
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: great because just the relationship we have. First of all,

1347
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: like we weren't afraid to hold each other accountable and

1348
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: get after each other and you know, be on each

1349
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: other when we needed to. But also we just competed,

1350
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, just because it's like dang dex is taking

1351
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: on the double team making the tack. I'm like, damn, okay,

1352
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: now I gotta do something. Now, I gotta make it work.

1353
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: Plea coming off the edge fast as good go. Now,

1354
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: Austin's like, all right, now I gotta get my shine,

1355
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: Like now I gotta do my thing. Like you know,

1356
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, you don't want to be that

1357
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: dude left out or not doing their job. So like

1358
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: you know, there's always that pressure, there's always that good competition,

1359
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: and it's the best because you know, I feel like

1360
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: about the best of all of us for sure. So

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01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: you guys have one of the best environments to play

1362
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: a home game, and everyone talks about and then you know,

1363
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: you have the judition where you rubbed the rock and

1364
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: then you come down the hill. So I just wanted

1365
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: to kind of take you back to that stadium. I

1366
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: want you to just kind of picture this. Um, you

1367
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: come around the bus, take you around. You've got to

1368
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: come down the hill. But you look down the hill

1369
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: and there's someone at the bottom of the hill waving

1370
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: you down, saying go down here and get this tail kicking.

1371
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Because as a young man, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1372
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: I might have been one of those guys that may

1373
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: have done right right right, Well, you wouldn't have been

1374
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: a smart young because you know, the teams mostly non

1375
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: times I've attended teams and people who have done that

1376
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: gotten up getting there bubble every time, you know. So

1377
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean, as long as I've been there, no one

1378
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: ever did that. They knew better, you know. And you know,

1379
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: we didn't lose him any home game. We all one

1380
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: home game when I was there, So I mean, yeah,

1381
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: you don't want that problem. So I can say I

1382
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: can say that I learned my lesson because we're waiting

1383
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: down to here. When I was in North Carolina, it

1384
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't turn out it was good. It was a lot

1385
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: too a little there was a lot too, a little

1386
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: bit just lost the wake for us, and so we

1387
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: felt like they were ready. Now I will say Brian

1388
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: Dawktors played the next year. Brian and Dexon. They came

1389
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: to chapel and we took care of business like we

1390
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: should have. But it's just one of those things. I

1391
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: just wondered if you if you actually see someone wave

1392
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: you down like how I changed. So hey, look, thanks

1393
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: so much for you guys joining the Movies podcast. Best

1394
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: of luck going for we and forwards. Hearing your name

1395
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: is called all right buck. We've got a chance to

1396
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: uh to hear from the folks at know and we

1397
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: got a chance to hear from the players themselves. Now

1398
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: as we look forward, we've talked about what we believe

1399
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: these guys can be at the next level. But if

1400
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: we're trying to find kind of a range atlantic spot,

1401
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: uh where these guys end up. I would say, starting off,

1402
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: I think there's a really good chance the first pick

1403
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: will probably come down between Christian Wilkins and Cleveland Farrow

1404
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: would be my guests. Those one of those two will

1405
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 1: be the first off the board, I would say, followed

1406
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: by Dexter Lawrence, followed by Austin Bryant, with the first

1407
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: three going in the first round. In my opinion, Austin

1408
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: Bryant probably in that second third round range. Where are

1409
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: you out on these guys? Now, I'm with you. I

1410
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: think the three guys that you mentioned the first round

1411
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: possibilities Wilkins, Lawrence, and Farrell. Um, I think those guys

1412
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: will come off in the first round. I think if

1413
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: we had to go in particular order, I think Wilkins

1414
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be the first one to hear his name called,

1415
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: followed by Farrell and in Dexter Lawrence is right on

1416
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: that line being a first round or second round talent. Uh.

1417
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: For those two you guys, I think they come in.

1418
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: I think they're all Day one starters and have an

1419
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to impact their team immediately. Bryant, to me, is

1420
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: the one that is kind of one of those hidden gyms,

1421
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: a guy that maybe is taken in the second or

1422
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: third round, but he ends up being a surprise starter

1423
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: by the middle of the year, and he gives you

1424
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: good contributions as a guy that is into rotation, no doubt.

1425
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: I look at a team like the Chicago Bears, they

1426
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: don't have a pick till the third round. Buck, But

1427
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: if for some reason a guy like Austin Bryant were

1428
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: to be there, uh man, you throw him in there,

1429
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: let him grow and develop, learn from somebody like HELLEL. Maca.

1430
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: I think that'd be an ideal spot for someone like him. Oh,

1431
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: ideal spot. You're talking about someone that plays hard, that

1432
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: has a knack for not only get to the past,

1433
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: but a stout against the run. Those guys play in

1434
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: the league and they played for a long time. May

1435
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: not be a level player in the league, but you

1436
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: certainly can be a B level contributing one that contributes

1437
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: for a very long time. All Right, Well, that's gonna

1438
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: wrap up this edition of the three sixty series. This

1439
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: is on the Clemson defensive line. We have almost made

1440
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: it to the end of the road of our three

1441
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: sixty series. Is we have done Dwayne Haskins, we have

1442
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: done Nick bo So we've done Daniel Jones. Now you've

1443
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: heard the Clemson defensive line episode Kyler Murray yet to

1444
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: come Buck, that's the grand finale force here. I didn't

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01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: miss any, did I. I I think that's all we got.

1446
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: I think I think that's all that. I think. I

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01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: think that's it. It's been an exciting time to kind

1448
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: of compile background information and perspective on all of these

1449
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: talented guys, and so yeah, with Kyler Murray on deck,

1450
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: that one should be a phone. Well, if you haven't

1451
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: caught any of the other previous three sixty episodes, you

1452
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: can find those go on the Apple podcast. You can

1453
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: find it on NFL dot com Slash podcast. That's where

1454
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: you can find the Move the Sticks podcasts and you

1455
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: can catch up with us there. We've got all your

1456
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: draft needs covered. We are going to be powering through

1457
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: to get to Nashville, and once we come out of Nashville,

1458
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: we'll have all the reaction everything you need to know

1459
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: about this year's draft. You can find it there and

1460
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: remember all of our video content NFL dot com, slash MPs,

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01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: Video YouTube dot com, slash NFL. We've got you covered.

1462
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening here to Move the Sticks, the three

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: sixties series featuring the Clemson defensive line. He's Bucky Brooks,

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: Tom Daniel, Jeremiah. We'll see you next time.