1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Headed in the right direction. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Danny Surrek joins me our final day of coverage from Indianapolis, 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: So the twenty twenty five scouting combine, and we hear 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: from Charles Davis, NFL Network and the NFL on CBS. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: He is very high on the Cardinals going into year 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: three of Money and JG. First, though, it's the one 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: constant about the National Football League change. It's Cardinals Cover two, 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: episode eight fifty four, and it starts now. 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: Puda Baker, What Heart? 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: He's in a ten half of five. He's it again 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: some more Harry Magic. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: Whow Here's I agree? 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: So first things first, Danny, happy Friday. You have made 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: it to the end of the week here in Indianapolis, 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: and I think we're just about. 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 4: Ready to go home. 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: I'm ready to go home. 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: You're on bed. 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: Until you said that, I don't know what day it 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: was having fun, but the days are long here. 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: That is true. You kind of do lose track of 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: what's going on outside of the building as far as 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: days time news, if it's not involving in the National 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Football League, you lose yourself within this bubble. 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: So let's as we mentioned, we're gonna get a chance 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: to we had a chance to talk with Charles Davis, 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: NFL network analyst and an analyst for the NFL on CBS. 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a moment, but some news 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: around the NFL here from the scouting combine and a 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: couple of things that I thought were interesting. First of all, 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: nothing official, but there is talk and loud talk that 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: over time in the regular season will change and match 39 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: what is going to happen or what does happen in 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: the postseason. Each team would get a possession regardless if 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: the first team scores a touchdown. That's what happens in 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: the postseason. Regular season flip a coin, first team with possession, 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: they score touchdown games over well, the league wants to 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: balance it out a little bit, maybe have a little 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: bit more fairness so that coin toss doesn't dictate who 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: wins the game. 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: This has been a discussion the last couple of years, 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: given how some big time games have ended, it doesn't 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: really surprise me. The long standing argument is have your 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: defense keep them out of the end zone. That's the 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: long standing argument of Okay, defense is just as important 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: as offense, and so if you make this change, you 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: are saying that offense is more important than defense because 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: you want to get everybody a chance to score. This 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: doesn't surprise though, of where things are going, and I 56 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: can see both arguments. I think it will be a 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: good change though, if you give both offenses a chance. 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: But I do understand the argument, and I have felt 59 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: that at times of don't take away the importance and 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: the value of defense. If you want your offense on 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: the field, your defense needs to step up. However, I understand, 62 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: especially when you're talking about the business side of things 63 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: and you've got big name quarterbacks and offenses going up 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: against each other and you don't even get a chance 65 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: to see a big mark keep quarterback get on the field, 66 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: and over time you knew that change was coming. 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: I liked sudden death. But it also comes down to 68 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: all right, did you call heads? Did you call tails? 69 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: But to your point, hey, it comes down to the 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: toush push which has become loudly disgusted. We'll see what 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: happens with that. But if something is successful, why mess 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: with success? Yet, at the same time, I get it 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: fans they want their offense on the football field, as 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: opposed to just saying, all right, the defense, go get 75 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: a stop, get the ball in the hands of the offense. 76 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: I don't love that. It can be taking value away 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: from the defense. That's that's the one thing I don't 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: love about this change. But I'm right there with you, right, 80 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: that's kind of the fun of it is having sudden 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: death and got to make sure your defense steps up 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: if your offense wants the ball in their hands. 83 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: The numbers that the league is looking at is receiving 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: teams won almost fifty seven percent of games from twenty 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty twenty four. That's up from fifty five 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: percent from two thousand and one to twenty eleven. So 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: it's not a gigantic increase, but it's hey, if we 88 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: go another seven eight years, are we going to see 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: that number hit sixty percent? Because offenses are so good 90 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are so good that they'll just march down the field. 91 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: Because as the game goes into overtime. Now, all of 92 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, that's sixty two sixty three minutes of play, 93 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: and they'll wear and tear on the body. 94 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: I mean, the last couple of years we've seen some 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 3: big time changes to the league. It's very clear that 96 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: they are wanting to evolve the game and wanting to 97 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: not just evolve the game that's happening on the field, 98 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: but also the viewership experience. I mean thing is some 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: of the special teams changes we've seen the last handful 100 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: of years, and this is not the only change that's 101 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: been discussed here in Indianapolis this week. So at this point, 102 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: I feel like the next handful of years, you're going 103 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: to continue see changes, maybe not things as drastic as 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: special teams, right with the kickoff that the dynamic kickoff, 105 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: or if you're going to have this change to overtime. 106 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: So but I would not be surprised if we continue 107 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: to see changes like this to come. 108 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the kickoff, there is a potential of now if 109 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: the ball is kicked and it goes out of the 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: end zone, instead of the touch thirty, it becomes the 111 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: touch thirty five. So again, these are something that is 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: being discussed amongst the Competition Committee. The other issue is 113 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: that will happen there will be virtual line to gain 114 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: measurements this upcoming season. Officials though, still need to spot 115 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: the football. The technology that the league is using doesn't 116 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: track the ball, but now all of a sudden, if 117 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: it's fourth and short, you'll actually know how far you 118 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: have to go, And it doesn't come down to all, right, 119 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: where you spot the football. Now they'll be able to 120 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: better determine where the spot of the football is based 121 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: off this new technology. It's not going to eliminate the 122 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: chain gang, but where the ball is in relative to 123 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: the first down marker, you'll have a better sense. And 124 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't come down to, hey, the hole if the 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: official comes up left foot forward or right foot forward, now, 126 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that's maybe a couple of inches 127 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: behind that first down marker or a couple of inches ahead. 128 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: So it's not technology of where the line the game 129 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: physically is. It's all just in the football. 130 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: Correct. 131 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: Interesting, I'm mean look around because. 132 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: Like, well the QB sneak. Remember when you had that 133 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: whole pile and you can't see what football is? Hey, 134 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: did you really get the first down? Did you score touchdown? 135 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: This would better help. Hey, yet you did cross the 136 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: goal line. Wow, you did get the first down. 137 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: Look at what's happening in baseball relying on technology for 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: the strike zone. I mean, that's not really a surprise. 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting. This is what people have 140 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: been clamoring for for years, though, is seemingly how the 141 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: NFL is feels behind in a lot of leagues. Look 142 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: at soccer and their replay system and how they're able 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: to track the ball if it goes over the goal line. 144 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: So I think this will be interesting. I think there 145 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: are more positives than negatives. I don't want to see 146 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: the elimination of any sort of like jobs. Yeah right, 147 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: and the importance of the chain gang there. But this 148 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: could very much be let's try it out for a 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: year or two and go from there. Wouldn't be the 150 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: first time that the league makes a change and it 151 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: doesn't work the way that they're hoping to and they 152 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: just revert back to how it was before. But I 153 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: think in this day and age, the way that other 154 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: leagues are evolving and keeping up with the times, the 155 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: NFL has got to do the same. 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about technology and to make the game better. 157 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: So again, this we'll be discussed more as we get 158 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: closer and closer the annual league meeting at the end 159 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: of March, and we'll see what actually becomes official and 160 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: what doesn't as far as tweaks, whether there's extended replay 161 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: assists in some other like I mentioned the kickoff again, 162 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: that's what this league is about, making change for the 163 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: betterment of the game and the viewership as well. Speaking 164 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: of viewership, we saw Charles Davis twice this season on 165 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: the call for a Cardinals game. Both were at home 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Week nine against the Bears, which was a win, then 167 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: again in Week fourteen against the Seahawks and that was 168 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: a loss, the third straight after the bye week. In 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: other words, Danny Charles Davis saw both the good and 170 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: the not so good from the Cardinals this past season. 171 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had good things to say about the car 172 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: wide receivers, core, good things to say about the quarterback. 173 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: And then when looking at some improvements this upcoming season 174 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: for the offense, really the turnovers, which is something we 175 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: had discussed all year. Every single game for the Cardinals offense, 176 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: ball touched the ground, it was either an interception or 177 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: was a fumball. Now wasn't always recorded as a fumble loss. However, 178 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: every game ball touched the ground, and it's really hard 179 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: to win games if you're not going to win the 180 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 3: turnover battle. And Charles Davis had some really good things 181 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: to say about this Cardinals defense, which really did perform, 182 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: especially the second half, despite like that loss to Seattle, 183 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: second half of the season, Cardinals defense really did step up, 184 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: and I thought that Charles had some nice things to say. 185 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's hear from Charles. We asked him to 186 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: compare and contrast what he saw in that first game 187 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: versus what he saw in the second game. 188 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: Saw what I expected a job than Gannon team to 189 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: start looking like, still a roster that needs to work, 190 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: needs more infusion of talent. But Nick Rowlis and Drew pettsing, 191 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 4: these guys play hard for those guys, and they played 192 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: hard for JG. And we saw that the Bears game 193 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: was a little bit of a weird animal because we 194 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: weren't quite sure we were gonna get out of the Bears. Okay, 195 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: remember of the week before was the Hail Mary game, 196 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 4: and they were rolling into that, and of course they 197 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: spent the whole week answering questions, are you got it all? 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: We're fine. We've had meetings with this or that, and 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 4: we found out very quickly. I'll know which meetings they have. 200 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 4: But it wasn't working right and the Cardinals took full 201 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: advantage of it and played the Seattle game. Wasn't a 202 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 4: major surprise to me in terms of Seattle winning because 203 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: I thought Arizona would need a break or two going 204 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 4: because see I was playing pretty well at that point. 205 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 4: I just think that overall as a roster, as they 206 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: continue to get more people in there and the way 207 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: the NFL goes now, I know this is this is. 208 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: A big year. 209 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: This is a really big year because they had a 210 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: chance to make that breakthrough last year, didn't quite get there. 211 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: But I think that this year here's another opportunity. San 212 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 4: Francisco's got to kind of retool a little bit. Obviously, 213 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 4: the Rams seem like they're pretty stable at this point. 214 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: We'll just see how it all plays out. But I 215 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 4: kind of like, I don't kind of I like where 216 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: they're going. I just think, obviously, MANI asin for It's 217 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: done a really nice job so far. Got to continue 218 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 4: on that track. 219 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: The ascension year two for awesome for It, Gannon and 220 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: their respective staffs. Cardinals doubled their win total, they were 221 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: competitive in the division, led the division for a couple 222 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: of weeks. 223 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: Glad you brought all this up, right, Glad you brought 224 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 4: it all up, But. 225 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: What is a realistic jumping point from year two to 226 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: year three with those progressions? 227 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: With the foundation contention for a playoff spot full contention, 228 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 4: like all in it, tire way battling it out. I'm 229 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: not saying they have to. I'm just saying it needs 230 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: to be all the way through and feel like there's 231 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 4: a realistic shot at it. I just think that's kind 232 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: of how this league goes. As mentioning earlier that when's 233 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: the last time we saw a coach or a GM 234 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: hired that said they had a five year plan. If 235 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: you're trying to get there by year five, someone else 236 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: is getting there because you're not. It just doesn't work 237 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 4: that way anymore. The Jets just think about the Jets. 238 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: They cut Aaron Rodgers, and what was Aaron Glenn talking 239 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: about here yesterday? Players were upset and tweeting and he 240 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: had to have meetings already, like, Hey, it's not gonna 241 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: be the last time I make a bad decision. And 242 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 4: by the way, you're saying that by cutting him, we're 243 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: not trying to win right now. That's not true. I 244 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: want to win right now. I think that's where we 245 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: all are on that one. But I think next year 246 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: for the Cardinals full on to me, full on, you know, 247 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: contending for one of those playoff spots to me would 248 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: be the year. 249 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: So for that to happen then, as we have now 250 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: in the offseason, that's where you kind of retool and add. 251 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: You got free agency, got the drafts. So for you, 252 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: with your analyst had on, when you see the Arizona 253 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals coming up in twenty twenty five, what do you 254 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: want to see? 255 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 4: I wrote some notes down. I hope that's okay perfect. 256 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I went. 257 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: To Tennessee and you know we are the Harvard to 258 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 4: the south. 259 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: But I've heard that I was not. 260 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: One of those candid I was not one of those 261 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 4: doctoral candidates. But defensively, who's your wrecker? It's going to 262 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 4: go get a quarterback? Can you get an edge guy? 263 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: Know bj Ojari? Can he come back from injury? But 264 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: you know that's like com back from knees oftentimes it's 265 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: the second year and not the first year. But can 266 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: you have those people who can put into pressure. I 267 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 4: wrote down edge, I wrote down interior defensive line, continue 268 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 4: to get better and stronger there, wide receiver, continue to 269 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: supplement around it. I think there'll be a breakout for 270 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison, I really do. I think he's going to 271 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: continue to go. I thought Michael Wilson had a nice 272 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: year last year, and it isn't interesting. His whole college 273 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 4: career was ding ding, ding, hurt, and now he's being 274 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: able to play through and congratulations married now right, I'm 275 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: very very happy for him. Offensive front, offensive guard, offensive tackle. 276 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: I think they've done a nice job and it seems 277 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: to me they like big people, right. That seems to 278 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: be where they want to go with this, with how 279 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: they want to run the football with James Connor and crew. 280 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: I think this is a draft that has a lot 281 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: of big offensive linemen in it that they can plug 282 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: in and go and listen. I don't mind playing the 283 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: young offensive lineman. I think a lot of people worry 284 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: about that. Sometimes it can bite you. Kansas City struggled 285 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: because they drafted kings Lease sue Ma Taya out of 286 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: BYU in the second round, hoping he would be their 287 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: left tackle. Didn't happen, and you guys know what happened 288 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 4: from there. We're the only three that didn't get a 289 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: try out at left tackle for Kansas City. But it 290 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: was said and done and it ended up biting them 291 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: because Joe Toney is at all Pro guard, he's not 292 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: an all Pro tackle, and it killed him in the 293 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: Super Bowl. 294 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: A bright spot for the Cardinals defense was the secondary, 295 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: especially that back half of the season, and you got 296 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: to see it now. Overall, not a great performance against 297 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: Seattle when you were at State Firm Stadium, but back 298 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: half of the season, Cardinals defense was some of the 299 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: best in keeping opponents out of the end zone, a 300 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: league low ten passing touchdowns allow on the last eleven games. 301 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: A lot of young faces though in that group, especially 302 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: in the cornerback's room. What positives did you see from 303 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: that room specifically for the Cardinals for the future and 304 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: what that's going to look like. 305 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you saw the growth, you saw the stature. Sighting 306 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: gives you a lot more confidence of what's going on 307 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 4: back there. I think that they can walk into that 308 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 4: room now and realize we are not just Buddha, Baker 309 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: and a bunch of other people, right because that happens, 310 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: and no one would be blaming Buddha for it by 311 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: any stretch. He's a terrific player, but we nationally all 312 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: we would talk about a Buddha baker And I don't 313 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: know who else is playing back there. Well, guess what 314 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: we're starting to learn who's playing back there. And I 315 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: think with Nick Rollis's way of playing, it's not strictly 316 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 4: what we call top down defense, but at the same 317 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 4: time he's gonna protect and make everything come here and 318 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: then we go get it. And that's a lot better 319 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: way to play, especially for a youngsters, because if you're 320 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: always back pedaling, chasing and balls are flying over your 321 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: head and all that makes it have to come to 322 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 4: work each and every week. But they don't have that problem. 323 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 4: They're able to make plays, be quicker to the football, 324 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 4: see it in front of them, and do it. And 325 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what their improvement's going to be. 326 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: And I can't wait to see what competition Monti Austin 327 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 4: Ford brings in for him too, because he's not gonna 328 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: stand pat He's gonna start. When I was in college, 329 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: we used to call it recruiting over someone. All right, 330 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 4: So let's say as a three year starter in college. 331 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 4: Oh okay, we're covered there. My head coach would be like, man, 332 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: we need to get someone better, because if you get 333 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: someone better, that means we're better. Not that we don't 334 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: like this kid, but if we can be better, that's 335 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: what you're always trying to do. Can you recruit over them? 336 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 4: Can you draft over them? Can you bring in someone 337 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 4: over that person? Now, a few people, you're not going 338 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: to do it. There's no one going over Buddha. But 339 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 4: you see my point. 340 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned your college in Tennessee, your position defensive back. 341 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: When you look at the Cardinals wide receivers. You brought Marvin, 342 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: you brought Michael Wilson. What are you seeing from them 343 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: that gives you believe that, okay, there's something there. Because 344 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: as a defensive back, they make it difficult for me 345 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: to defend two things. 346 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 4: Size post catch, size postcatch. I gotta go through this 347 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: big body, strong physically Harrison Wilson. And then when they 348 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: do catch it, I gotta get them on the ground. 349 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: If I don't get them on the ground, I got 350 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: a problem. You're gonna run less plays on offense because 351 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 4: you're gaining more yardage as a defense is struck. You know, 352 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 4: for me, if on defense, if I put you on 353 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: the ground every time you catch the ball, you're gonna 354 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 4: have to run extra plays. What happens when you run 355 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 4: extra plays? I've created more of environment for you to 356 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 4: mess up. Okay, I remember a college basketball coach told 357 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: me one time. I said, what's your offense philosop? But 358 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: he said, shoot the ball's best possible? Said why he 359 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 4: goes because if I run all these motion offenses and 360 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 4: all this other stuff, ball's gonna up in the third row. 361 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 4: And I didn't get a shout off. I don't want 362 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 4: that same thing on defense. If I put them on 363 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: the ground every time, that's more opportunity that you're gonna 364 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: screw this thing up. Most people don't want to run 365 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: fifteen play drives, ten play drives. All that seems like 366 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 4: you're grinding it down, But how many of them result 367 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: in a turnover. There's a penalty late in the drive. 368 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 4: Instead of touchdown, you kick a field goal. That's the key. 369 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: That's why. That's what I see with these receivers. And 370 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: obviously Trade McBride is your ultimate example, even though he's 371 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 4: a tight end. But I'm counting the tight ends with 372 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 4: receivers more and. 373 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: More of these days when you mentioned bj Ojalari briefly 374 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 3: and you talk about it's usually year two when looking 375 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: around the league coming back, Yes, that's what the season 376 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: was for Kyler Murray. You saw with your own eyes 377 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: from the booth two games this season. What did you 378 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: see from him? And what do you think is realistic 379 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: progressions and improvements for your seven for the quarterback. 380 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 4: I'm gonna compare it with Josh Allen, if that's okay, 381 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: all right? The league MVP. We loved Josh is what 382 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: I called sorties right when he would take off and 383 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: he would make this play and you know, oh my god, 384 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: he's doing Josh Allen with things kind of like when 385 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: you know, pick pick your quarterbacks, far of in his 386 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: prime when he would you know, be in Oh god, 387 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: why did he throw that interception there? But he threw 388 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 4: four touchdown fast as before it with Kyler in the 389 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: two games we saw since you brought it up. I 390 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 4: thought the control was really there against Chicago, and I 391 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 4: thought he pressed against Seattle and we saw the turnovers, 392 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 4: we saw the things happen. I think if he does 393 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 4: what Josh Allen did this year, which was it all 394 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 4: came together, didn't it. Do you remember Josh Allen kind 395 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 4: of getting out of the no this year. The interceptions 396 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: were down, the giveaways were down, everything. He was all 397 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 4: in there even though the big plays were still happening. 398 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 4: Next step right there, Kyler does that? I mean every 399 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: coach tell you can't beat the other teams. He don't 400 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: beat yourself. It's kind of how it works. And it 401 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: doesn't mean you play scared. It just means don't give 402 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 4: them extra opportunities. 403 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: If that happens, then it means we'll get to see 404 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: you and I an eagle before we hope at State 405 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: Farm Stadi, because that's a quality crew. 406 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: I thank you, you're very kind. I will tell you this. 407 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: If you guys hit that thing, you'll see us less, 408 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: which is a really good thing. And what I mean 409 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: by that is when you hit it right. In this league, 410 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: that means you're playing the four to twenty five Eastern 411 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: games right. Obviously you're gonna get picked off for Monday 412 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 4: night football, Sunday night football. You gotta do your requisite Thursday. 413 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: But that's where the number one teams operate. That's what 414 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: you want to do, and every coaching league wants to 415 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 4: play seventeen games at the same time every week. They 416 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: want to play what would do? But it'd be what 417 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: noon your time? Right, everybody wants to play a two 418 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: o'clock game in Arizona at home, everybody wants to play 419 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: a one o'clock Eastern time game because your routine set 420 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: each and every week. No good teams play seventeen games 421 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: at the same time every week. Kansas City, you ever 422 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 4: seen their schedule? Philadelphia? Seeing their schedule, you want to 423 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: be that team that bounces around, and that means you 424 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 4: don't see us. 425 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: Well, it's all He's a pleasure to see you here 426 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: at the scouting combine trial has always a pleasure. 427 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: Thanks for having it. Thank you. I appreciate it very much. 428 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: Love talking with Charles Davis could have kept him a 429 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: lot longer. He is very polished and he knows what 430 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: he talks about, having played the game, and he just 431 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: he has great insight that again, we're kinda sometimes close 432 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: and we don't see what others on the outside see. 433 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: But I thought he was very fair in his assessment 434 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: of the Cardinals, both where the team is headed and 435 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: then all right, obviously the playoffs is where you want 436 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: to be super Bowl is the ultimate goal. What are 437 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: the next steps for the Cardinals to reach the playoffs. 438 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: One thing I like that Charles talked about last year 439 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: as well when we had him on cover two here 440 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: from the Combine is talking about how tough these players 441 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 3: play for head coach Jonathan Gannon. And it's so interesting 442 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: because we are in the thick of it, so we 443 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: can see that when we are in the buildings. For 444 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: somebody to have an outside perspective, like Charles, somebody who 445 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 3: is in production meetings with players with Gannon whenever he 446 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 3: is on the call for a game and has a 447 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 3: better idea and understanding of what's going on in conversations 448 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: being had, that to me says a lot. You can't 449 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: say that about every team. You can say about every 450 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 3: team that they have competitive players or they want to 451 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: play to win and have fight. You don't always hear 452 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: how clear it is that the players want to play 453 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: hard for the coaching staff, and that trickles down beyond 454 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: Gannon and the staff that he has compiled. That really 455 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: does say a lot about the competitiveness, the culture, the 456 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 3: team first mentality that has been set in that organization, 457 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 3: and you can see that on the field. 458 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: The coaching staff is in place, whether it's the head coach, 459 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: the coordinators, the assistance. Now it's okay, Now you need 460 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: to supplement the roster. His big question defensively who's your wrecker, 461 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: meaning who's that guy that could potentially end games for 462 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: you defensively, whether that is a sack, a takeaway. And 463 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: then the offense. I like what he had to say 464 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: about the wide receiver core as far as their size 465 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: and what they do after the catch, because if you 466 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: can get some more explosive plays as Charles's reference, and 467 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, instead of that ten to 468 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: twelve play drive, it's eight to nine plays, and fewer 469 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: plays mean fewer chances at mistakes. And I think that's 470 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: what we saw a lot offensively from the Cardinals, as 471 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: there were too many of those eight plus scoring drives 472 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: that sometimes didn't result in a score. 473 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: An interesting perspective. A lot of times, when you are 474 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: eating up a lot of clock time, that's seen as 475 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 3: a positive. Right you're hanging on to the ball, You're 476 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: not giving your opponents offense a chance to get out 477 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: there and put points on the board. But it's interesting 478 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: to hear the opposite viewpoint of that and wanting to 479 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: move quickly and wanting to have explosive plays and move 480 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: the chains. 481 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and again what Charles saw the good and 482 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: the not so good. Kyler was in control against the Bears, 483 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: pressed against the Seahawks, and I think again a fair 484 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: assessment of where the Cardinals, not just Kyler, but how 485 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: the season finished as a whole. When you go into 486 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: the bye week in first place and come out of 487 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: the bye week and you suffer three straight losses and 488 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what happened? And again, sometimes I 489 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't say the stage was too bright, but you tried 490 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: to do too much. And I think that's what was 491 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: happening a lot of the time offense and defense. Someone 492 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: was trying to do a little bit more than their job. 493 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: And then sometimes that's when all of a sudden, there 494 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: was a mistake, a turnover or a short gain became 495 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: an explosive play against the defense. 496 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point, you can go back and you 497 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: can find reasons, and it probably feels different from a 498 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 3: player's perspective when you're in it in the season. I 499 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: think something that you can't really measure is the mental 500 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: strain of that. And even though, we hear and we 501 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: know the importance of one day to time, when game 502 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: to time, one week at a time. When you're going 503 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: on a losing skid the way that at times the 504 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: Cardinals were, that can be tough mentally to dig yourself 505 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: out of it and remind yourself, we know we're a 506 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: better team than this. They prove they were a better 507 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: team in that in that first half prior to the 508 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 3: bye week. So there's definitely a lot that can be 509 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: improved on when you're talking about consistency, when you're talking 510 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: about accuracy, and that's not just from the quarterback, that's 511 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: everybody involved and being more consistent and more precise in 512 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: whatever your role entails. Again, though, the turnovers is that 513 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: is at a blaring bright spot when you're looking at 514 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season. Something that you can easily 515 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: focus on this offseason in twenty twenty five would be that. 516 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: Again, really good conversation, great conversation with Charles Davis. We've 517 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: had a number of great conversations here this week. I 518 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: believe Danny the final number ten, which was an increase 519 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: from a year ago. So I hope you're not too 520 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: upset at me, but I think we spread it out 521 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: a little bit more to where we weren't physically and 522 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: emotionally exhausted. 523 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: At the. 524 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: That's good, so we made it to the end. 525 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 4: Of the week. 526 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: More of the conversation that we've had this week, we'll 527 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of get into next week when we are back 528 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: in studio and back in some warmer temperatures as well. 529 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: Can't wait, so enjoy. 530 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: Your weekend, Danny, appreciate all the help. Appreciate all the 531 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: help from everyone here in Indianapolis. Alex Greenberg, Matthew Vaski, 532 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: Darren Urban is sitting to my left. I guess we 533 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: got to give him credit as well. And of course, 534 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: as always, special thanks to those behind the scenes, Jamalma Hunter, 535 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: Cody Fincher. We will put a li itt on this 536 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai pro partner 537 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. We will talk to you next 538 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: week here on Cardinals Cover two.