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<v Speaker 1>Morning Run with Amy and TJ and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey there, folks, it is Saturday, May third. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend edition of Morning Run where we discuss a

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<v Speaker 2>little further some of the things you heard on our

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<v Speaker 2>Monday through Friday Morning Run. Roads were calling this what

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<v Speaker 2>got us because a lot of things we discussed and

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<v Speaker 2>talked about during the week really got us fired up,

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<v Speaker 2>got us worked up, but we didn't get to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it that much.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We try to keep things brief on the Morning Run,

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<v Speaker 1>but we find that we've often had a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>to say about some of these stories. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>the place to do it where we go in a

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<v Speaker 1>little deeper and give some insights and thoughts to the

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<v Speaker 1>big headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a lot of this stuff got us going

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<v Speaker 2>and absolutely got us worked up, so we got let's

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<v Speaker 2>see here six stories for you today. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go a little deeper on those six stories. One of

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<v Speaker 2>them the most expensive prank call in history. Story two,

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<v Speaker 2>the movie centers still doing Gangbusters. Story three, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>brother Golf with the President without facing clash. Story four.

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<v Speaker 2>A climber rescued twice from Mount Fuji in the same week,

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<v Speaker 2>Story six Katy Perry finally gets an apology. Went to

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<v Speaker 2>three four five. That was story five. See I'm off y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Story six though, is Trump getting his Marie Antoinette moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got six stories for you today. Let's start.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the top. This is a story a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of folks were talking about. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>a little deeper here. Shadure Sanders, you know, the superstar

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback for Colorado, the sun of Hall of Famer Dion Sanders,

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<v Speaker 2>got a prank call during the draft. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks robes he was the biggest story of the draft

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<v Speaker 2>already because he had dropped drop to drop. Nobody was

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<v Speaker 2>drafting him. Gets a prank call from from someone who

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<v Speaker 2>got his number because they stole it from a coach

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<v Speaker 2>from the Atlanta Falcons. So the backstory there is, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the son of a coach took the phone number of

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<v Speaker 2>Shadua Sanders off of an open iPad at his dad's house.

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<v Speaker 2>He took it for the purpose of doing a prank

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<v Speaker 2>call later, and sure enough they did. Robes, would you

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<v Speaker 2>were so excited when I first told you, say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>NFL has fined the Atlanta Falcons and that coach a

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<v Speaker 2>total of three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Your first

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<v Speaker 2>reaction was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think in these moments, something that egregious

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<v Speaker 1>and that disgusting shouldn't be overlooked or considered funny or

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<v Speaker 1>not a big deal. This and you were following the

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<v Speaker 1>Shadur drama the entire weekend, waiting to see when he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to get drafted. President Trump even weighed in, saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you fools, this guy was supposed to go as perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>even the number one draft pick, maybe even in the

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<v Speaker 1>top three.

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<v Speaker 3>So to go in round five was.

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<v Speaker 1>Already heartbreaking for the kid because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>pointed to the fact that what people were saying about

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<v Speaker 1>him anonymously for whatever reason, probably had a huge negative

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<v Speaker 1>impact on how low he dropped. Actually, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>already dealing with other people weighing in and talking and

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<v Speaker 1>saying stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It was painful. I mean that was painful enough, just

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of it. And we're not here now. It's

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of debate about who said what and why and

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<v Speaker 2>anonymous sources and race playing a factor, and as dad

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<v Speaker 2>playing a factor. We are not going to get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>There are plenty places having that discussion. This for us

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<v Speaker 2>was just on a human level. All as bad as

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff was, this was a downright dirty and mean

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<v Speaker 2>and mean spirited in a way that was disgusting right

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<v Speaker 2>to me at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he's already he was already dealing with that backlash,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to have this added to it just seemed

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<v Speaker 1>so cruel because here's this kid. Imagine you worked your

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<v Speaker 1>whole life, you know, people are talking crap about you,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you get a phone call and it's someone

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<v Speaker 1>pranking you, telling you the New Orleans Saints want to

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<v Speaker 1>pick you up.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that that's what was the New Orleans Saints? Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I think which day it was that he got the

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<v Speaker 2>prank call. It wasn't on day one, so he had

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<v Speaker 2>already waited and waited and waited. The kid continues to wait.

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<v Speaker 2>He is literally waiting on this phone to ring, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a phone that's only supposed to ring if an

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<v Speaker 2>NFL team is calling to draft him. Because these kids

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<v Speaker 2>were given these phones that were for one use, one

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<v Speaker 2>use only, because they had these private phone numbers that

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL teams got. So when that phone rings, his

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<v Speaker 2>heart's racing. He thinks his life is about to change.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and put yourself in that situation, put your

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<v Speaker 1>kid in that situation, and then imagine how that would

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<v Speaker 1>feel to see someone messing with him who's already been

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<v Speaker 1>messed with a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those things I'd tell everybody just

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<v Speaker 2>this is a lesson in just being kind. I was

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<v Speaker 2>really really upset and worked up about this story and

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<v Speaker 2>talked about how much of a fan I am now

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<v Speaker 2>of Shador Santa's because of all he went through. But

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<v Speaker 2>then we got word robes that the dad and the

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<v Speaker 2>son actually did call Dion and Shadour to apologize, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's when I settled, because they gave grace

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<v Speaker 2>maybe when I wasn't even.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right exactly. So this is Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Ulbrick and his son Jax Ulbrick, and yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>made the call and apologize, But as you point out,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really really really cool that they said and

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<v Speaker 1>made a point to say how wonderful both Dion and

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<v Speaker 1>Shadeur were. They were not only gracious, but almost too gracious.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what Jack said, like or Jeff said,

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<v Speaker 1>that was even more gracious than he needed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be, than they deserved from them in that moment. So

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<v Speaker 2>in that moment, people make mistakes. And this kid that

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<v Speaker 2>did it, the son who stole the number in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, twenty one years old. That's an adult and

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<v Speaker 2>you supposed a known better. But at twenty one, we

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<v Speaker 2>all learned some lessons that we didn't know. And I really, really,

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<v Speaker 2>really really really hope this. I think Dion and Schruduur's

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<v Speaker 2>reaction is the one that teaches a bigger lesson for

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<v Speaker 2>all of us and me as well in this You've

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<v Speaker 2>got to give people grace. Sometimes. The dude messed up,

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<v Speaker 2>messed up bad with the prank call, But to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to say it's okay and be gracious and forgive

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<v Speaker 2>it's a huge moment in the story.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's it actually turned into a beautiful story,

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<v Speaker 1>and that just shows you the power of forgiveness, the

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<v Speaker 1>power of grace, and it's a reminder to us all

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like, yeah, I could rest.

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<v Speaker 3>My heart was racing and beating.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so angry and upset for the Sanders family

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<v Speaker 1>and then to see it all play out the way

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<v Speaker 1>it did, and you know, for the sun to make

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<v Speaker 1>a very public apology. What I did was completely an excusable,

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassing and shameful. I'm so sorry I took away from

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<v Speaker 1>your moment. It was selfish and childish. He said, I

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<v Speaker 1>made a terrible mistake and messed with that moment. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the finds three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So with

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<v Speaker 1>all of that said, it actually this is a rare

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<v Speaker 1>moment where you have a controversial story, a story where

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<v Speaker 1>someone's behaved badly, there's an apology, and then there's an

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<v Speaker 1>acceptance of that apology that ends up being a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>lesson for us all.

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<v Speaker 2>H My story number two we want to get to

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<v Speaker 2>on this weekend or morning run is you've heard about Sinners.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've seen it yet. You probably will,

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<v Speaker 2>just because everybody's telling you how good it is. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But it is doing gangbusters at the theater

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<v Speaker 2>right now. It's continuing to do so. It's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>have another good weekend and they have even now Robes

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<v Speaker 2>re released the movie in some Imax theaters. It's doing

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<v Speaker 2>that well in demand for it. The part of the

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<v Speaker 2>story here that's so significant, not just a successful movie

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<v Speaker 2>by a couple of successful guys, Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan,

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<v Speaker 2>but robes. We don't see this anymore that an original

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<v Speaker 2>story gets the backing, gets the funding, gets the big treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it delivers that it could be a game

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<v Speaker 2>changing moment or at least shift we're seeing in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very cool because yes, it was an original story.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a story we've heard before or we know before.

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<v Speaker 1>And to think that this was this is a story

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<v Speaker 1>about vampires and the blues, and it was the racist South,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Crow laws and you've got so many storylines going. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a horror movie, but it also is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a musical, and it's also a thriller, and

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<v Speaker 1>there were some comedic moments. I mean, it really just

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<v Speaker 1>packed a punch on so many genres and it was

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<v Speaker 1>really incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just beautiful to watch. It was true art.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great setting and had great soul. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was some some lessons in there about not not

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<v Speaker 2>judging a book by its cover, because this is happening

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<v Speaker 2>in the South and there's a history there, and Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Cougler clearly has a passion for this. But there's about

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<v Speaker 2>blues and music and where it comes from, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>happening again the Jim Crow South. But then these white

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<v Speaker 2>folks show up and you think it's about It was

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite line of the movie when she said, Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>this ain't racism, this ain't hate. They vampires. It was

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite line, and it kind of clicked for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching something a little different than I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was going into. Ryan Cougler's brilliant. He got a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful deal in making this movie and it has delivered.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of producers are kind of salivating thinking that, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the studios will be open to these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>deals for directors and producers. But I'm glad to see

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<v Speaker 2>an original story doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>An original story with a predominantly black cast, with a

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<v Speaker 1>story about black people in that era. And when we

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<v Speaker 1>saw the movie theater, I mean we actually had to

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<v Speaker 1>movie theater shop to try and find open seats. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was filled with so many different colors and faces

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<v Speaker 1>and ages like it was cool to see it resonate

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<v Speaker 1>with people from all walks of life. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful story that needed to be told that hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been told before in a really, really creative way.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't seen the movie yet and don't plan

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<v Speaker 2>on seeing it, at least listen to the soundtrack. It's

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<v Speaker 2>available on Spotify and everywhere. The soundtrack of this music

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<v Speaker 2>and It's Not You said Rope is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>musical in there, not in the Amelia prays No No.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't just come randomly out of nowhere. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>it's played strategically and purposefully.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, don't want to scare anyone off who doesn't like

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<v Speaker 1>it when people burst into song. And I think TJ

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<v Speaker 1>you're among those people who find it a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>difficult when you're into a dialogue and all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden someone starts singing. That is not what happens here.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are some amazing musical moments throughout it that

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<v Speaker 1>actually make it so fun to listen to. I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to run to the soundtrack today when we go

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<v Speaker 1>on our run because it's that powerful and inspiring.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Story number three for us, it's about Saquon Barkley, he,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, superstar running back for the Philadelphia Eagles, superstar

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<v Speaker 2>and Super Bowl winning running back. The Eagles were in

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<v Speaker 2>town this week to visit the White House. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the traditional champions visit to the White House to be honored.

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<v Speaker 2>But the day before, Saquon Barkley, who is black, went

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<v Speaker 2>golfing with President Trump, who is white, and so a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people took issues and he faced a huge backlash.

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<v Speaker 2>Row But that's the question. Can a black man, black

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<v Speaker 2>person ever be friendly with the president in a social

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<v Speaker 2>setting and not expect to get a huge backlash for

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<v Speaker 2>the optics of such a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it was purely a black white thing

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<v Speaker 1>or was it also a Republican Democrat thing? Was it

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<v Speaker 1>also you know, That's where I'm curious if both things

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<v Speaker 1>were true, that both things were offensive to the people

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<v Speaker 1>who were upset that he took his time to golf

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<v Speaker 1>with President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>It's coming from two different places for him. Yes, there

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<v Speaker 2>could have been I don't know, name some popular artists

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<v Speaker 2>who happens to be white who goes golfing. Then you

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<v Speaker 2>might have some Democrats some liberals going wow, I was

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of yours. I can't believe you, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes off in a lot of the language as

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<v Speaker 2>some type of betrayal or turning your back on the

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<v Speaker 2>black community or minorities by being not just respectful to

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<v Speaker 2>the office, but you're getting chummy with the man in

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<v Speaker 2>the office. It's having lunch and posing for pictures and

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<v Speaker 2>going for golf comes off to people as you and

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<v Speaker 2>he put out a statement saying I respect the office, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>get off my back. I golf for President Obama too,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the big deal? That was the part that I

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<v Speaker 2>think set people off even more and even made me

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<v Speaker 2>raise my eyebrow. That you for him to It seemed

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<v Speaker 2>tone depth that you don't understand why people would see

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<v Speaker 2>you golfing with Obama differently than golfing with Trump, even

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<v Speaker 2>golfing with Biden differently than golfing with Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's what I was wondering. I mean, someone

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<v Speaker 1>else would that be just as much of an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But what he wrote on social media, what you were

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<v Speaker 1>appointing to He actually started his post with lol, which

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<v Speaker 1>just shows you he wasn't, or at least at that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't taking it too seriously or didn't realize how seriously

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<v Speaker 1>people were offended or upset. He said, Lol, some people

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<v Speaker 1>are really upset because I played golf and flew to

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<v Speaker 1>the White House with the President. Maybe I just respect

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<v Speaker 1>the office not a hard concept to understand. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>very flippant and kind of basically saying, hey, y'all are stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I'm going to say yes to golfing with

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<v Speaker 1>the president?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you? Can?

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<v Speaker 1>You?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you if he offered to say, Hey, we'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to go for lunch with you all at a very

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<v Speaker 2>public restaurant in New York City? Would you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>As a journalist or as a human being? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the tough question.

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<v Speaker 2>Should it make a difference?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think as a journalist it would be yes,

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting moment to be able to report on or

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<v Speaker 1>talk about having had that experience, being able to have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with him, ask him questions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is social and we could do that behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>you have an off camera chat or whatever. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a social invitation.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a tough one, right, you know I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>But then your answer is why you know why you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't because of the optics.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of the optics, I don't know. If there's another

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<v Speaker 2>president you would say, wait a minute, let me think

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<v Speaker 2>about it first. If you got that kind of invitation,

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<v Speaker 2>and look, this has to do with social media and

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<v Speaker 2>how polarizing people are, and how split and divisive things

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<v Speaker 2>and how nasty they are. That yes, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>a different guy we need to acknowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>And it has something to do with gues President Trump himself.

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<v Speaker 1>You said people are polari He's polarizing period period. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, if you publicly sit with him, have

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<v Speaker 1>a social outing with him, there are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who are going to be disappointed

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<v Speaker 1>and upset because they think he stands for something that

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<v Speaker 1>is in direct contrast to what they value.

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<v Speaker 2>And so say, go on, bark and look, we've grown man.

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<v Speaker 2>You can do whatever. You won't knock yourself out. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The criticism of that, it was just bizarre that he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't wreck, kick, nize or acknowledge at least say yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, he's on this, this and this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I decision. You don't have to say anything if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>But then the thing he said there was just flippant,

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<v Speaker 3>antone deaf, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Story numb before four styles, the one you loved because

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<v Speaker 2>you've climbed Mount Fuji, but someone had to be rescued twice.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in his twenties. I think a student, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>But a Chinese student had to be rescued twice from

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Fuji, rescued the first time because what was it rope?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it just happened. You get up there and you

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<v Speaker 2>get sick if you're not prepped. That's second trip up

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<v Speaker 2>was the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly, I mean so yes, anyone who's climbed mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>basically it's kind of anything over nine thousand feet you

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<v Speaker 1>can potentially get sick, altitude sickness, and you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know until you try.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's not his fault.

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<v Speaker 1>The slower you go, the better chance you have of

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<v Speaker 1>not feeling that altitude sickness.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is serious.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, altitude sickness can kill you. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just oh I don't feel so good, I have a headache,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm going to throw up. You actually

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<v Speaker 1>can pass out and you actually can die. And people

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<v Speaker 1>do each and every year attempting to climb major mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>So with this climber, if at first you don't succeed,

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<v Speaker 2>try to try again. I thought initially when they said

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<v Speaker 2>he went up a second time and had to be

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<v Speaker 2>rescued a second time because he got in trouble, I thought, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he failed the first time. He wanted to go back up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually not why he went back up, and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason he went back up is pissing people off.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>He went back up because he left his cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>behind when he was rescued the first time, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he tried to go all the way back up to

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<v Speaker 1>find his cell phone, which was I believe four days later.

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<v Speaker 1>The thought that the fact that he thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>even be there also is interesting. But yes, when he

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<v Speaker 1>went back up, he got sick again, so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that he actually was like in feudal position. Another climber

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<v Speaker 1>had to find him, call for help, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>to be airlifted off the mountain again. And look, different

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<v Speaker 1>countries have different policies about whether or not.

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<v Speaker 3>They rescue people.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've learned the hard way, well we didn't attempt

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<v Speaker 1>something when like the country of France says good luck

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<v Speaker 1>on block, like, we will not rescue you if you

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<v Speaker 1>decide to go up and put yourself in harm's way

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<v Speaker 1>because you didn't pay attention to weather, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on your own.

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<v Speaker 1>But Japan is one of those countries that will rescue

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<v Speaker 1>you and won't charge you for the rescue efforts. But

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<v Speaker 1>now there's a big call. People think he should pay

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<v Speaker 1>or at least contribute to in some way be punished

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<v Speaker 1>for pulling out resources for a second time and for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason that a lot of people believe is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>dang selfish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was some negligence there, I guess, and being irresponsible.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time somebody has to be rescued, that means

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<v Speaker 2>that some pilot and some copilot and somebody don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to get in the helicopter and you have to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're putting people at risk just because you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go get your cell phone. I know we've all been desperate,

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<v Speaker 2>left our cell phone someplace and had to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and get it or whatever. Else. This is different, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just seems like it was so inconsiderate, yes

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<v Speaker 2>of him to do so. So we'll see if changes

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<v Speaker 2>are made, But that was one that you certainly got

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<v Speaker 2>your attention for this guy going back for a cell phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting number five for is Katy Perry. She finally gets

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<v Speaker 2>an apology. First of all, why is everybody beating up

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<v Speaker 2>on Katy Perry's I don't remember when she became such

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<v Speaker 2>a punching back.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that people had such strong feelings about her.

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<v Speaker 2>But why though, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't like her music, if they think she.

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<v Speaker 2>Is superstar, she's a hit maker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's an amazing entertainer. I listened to her music constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>She's fun and energetic, and I feel like when you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to her songs, she is very positive. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't understand where there's this negative energy around her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I didn't actually even know that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>group or a large enough group of people who just

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<v Speaker 1>don't like her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just one that's an easy punching back for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she's done some things over the years that

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<v Speaker 2>have set people off. And I remember she had a

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even describe. It was a video she put

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<v Speaker 2>out that people took issue with not too long, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember whatever the reasons are. People took advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>her going to Space and the Blue Origin, the celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>ride with all women going up on that Jeff Bezos rocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody bounced on her. Yeah, like people criticize the trip,

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<v Speaker 2>but she got an extended level and an extra level

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<v Speaker 2>of hate that was alarming to me. Of course, from

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Wendy's as well. That put out some pretty nasty treeks

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<v Speaker 2>tweets kind of taking shots at her, But she did

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<v Speaker 2>get an apology this week from Lily Allen, who I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that familiar with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and actually, in a way this story reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the Shador Sanders story, because there

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a beautiful ending to it, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways, because of Lily Allen and because of Katie

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<v Speaker 1>Perry herself, Because again, I just we always have asked folks,

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<v Speaker 1>so can you even imagine putting yourself in that position

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<v Speaker 1>where you are just getting inundated for a decision you

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<v Speaker 1>made to go to space.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's a luxury space flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, some people did find it insensitive and tone deaf

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<v Speaker 1>because of the economic hardships that are going on and

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<v Speaker 1>where that money and all those resources could have been

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<v Speaker 1>devoted to rather than sending six women up in space

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<v Speaker 1>for ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not debating anybody taking issue with it. You can

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<v Speaker 2>have a legit criticism and have a legit problem with it,

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<v Speaker 2>no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But to then take that criticism on the trip itself

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<v Speaker 1>and singularly focus it on Katy Perry is just mean

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<v Speaker 1>spirited and Lily Allen. I think it was perhaps about

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<v Speaker 1>a week later. A few days later, she said she

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<v Speaker 1>reflected she thought about what she said on her podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and she this takes this is hard to admit. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>I was mean, and she also said that she was

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing her own internal misogyny, which is something that I

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<v Speaker 1>had not heard before. I've never heard that phrase before.

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<v Speaker 1>But it makes sense that perhaps it's in all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>that especially among women, because we saw women attacking Katy

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<v Speaker 1>Perry more so. I don't even know if I can

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<v Speaker 1>think of a man. I'm sure there was one or

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<v Speaker 1>a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Go hunting for it. If you want to find a

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<v Speaker 2>quote from a man, you have to go. But the

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<v Speaker 2>headlines everywhere were very prominent. I mean several very prominent

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<v Speaker 2>women who didn't just say I wish they'd have done this,

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<v Speaker 2>or I don't know why, I wish those resources could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone here. No, they attacked them for being gluttonous, showy,

0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.919
<v Speaker 2>disgusting was a word that was toward you. So and

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<v Speaker 2>that was all women. So internal misogyny. Look, you say

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<v Speaker 2>it all the time. We have these stories as nobody

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<v Speaker 2>meaner than women and women.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and people love to write about women who are

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<v Speaker 1>fighting cat fighting. Of course, that's just it always tends

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<v Speaker 1>to take center stage. So in a moment of reflection,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Lily Allen just really thankfully saved the

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<v Speaker 1>story in a way because she was willing to admit

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<v Speaker 1>what she did and then on top of that say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry without defending it, just saying it was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and it was mean and I love that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Katie Perry actually went on social media this week and

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<v Speaker 1>she did not she did not return fire. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>she just said I'm sending love to people who were upset. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I recognize that online hate is oftentimes filled

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<v Speaker 1>with people who are hurting. So that was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>really stand up way to handle a lot of anger

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<v Speaker 1>unfairly levied against her was.

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<v Speaker 2>Handled well by both of them. And again along the

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<v Speaker 2>lines of the Shad Sander situation, you make a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a bad, bad mistake, but then you come back,

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<v Speaker 2>you apologize, and the person you apologize to gives you grace. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we wish some of those things wouldn't have been said

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place, but man, we're human beings and

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<v Speaker 2>we make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you say this all the time. Words matter, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we all use the wrong words. It's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>admit it, and it's okay to apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the apologies. Story number six here, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a doozy, and this was one you brought you you well,

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<v Speaker 2>you brought the line to my attention. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people would have seen this the headlines this week, but

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<v Speaker 2>all the headlines said Trump says kids are going to

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<v Speaker 2>get two dollars instead of thirty. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more to that story. But when you saw this, he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about the economy and kind of Americans having

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<v Speaker 2>to pay me maybe deal with some uh, maybe have

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<v Speaker 2>to cut back a little bit, deal with some pain

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<v Speaker 2>in the economy. That was how he put it. You

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<v Speaker 2>immediately said that was his Marie Antoinette moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was funny because we were just discussing it

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<v Speaker 1>as we were writing the stories that day, and I said, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a let them eat cake moment. And

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<v Speaker 1>you looked it up and realized, apparently this isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first time. There have been a lot of moments over

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<v Speaker 1>the years that people have specifically referenced Marie Antoinette when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to what President Trump says about people. When

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<v Speaker 1>they're suffering. It's an unreasonable thing to even assume. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, the people have thirty dollars, and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so instead of having thirty dollars, you'll just have too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what we're talking about. People aren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>put food on the table. People are struggling to pay

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<v Speaker 1>their bills. People can't make their student loan payments. So

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<v Speaker 1>to act as if it's just reducing your excess and

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<v Speaker 1>then you'll be fine is just such a tone debt.

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<v Speaker 1>We keep saying tone Depp. But that has been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what made us talk this week.

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<v Speaker 2>And if folks don't know, and again, I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to immediately recall the story. But Marie Antoinette is

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<v Speaker 2>credited with saying this, you explained the story. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Marie Antoinette, basically when her is during the

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<v Speaker 1>French Revolution, is reportedly is to have said, when people

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<v Speaker 1>were standing in long, long lines just to get bread,

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<v Speaker 1>just to eat, she just said, let them eat cake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's ridiculous, like, obviously they can't afford bread, so

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<v Speaker 1>no one is able to pay for or afford an

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<v Speaker 1>even greater luxury item such as cake.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was quick dismissive way of it's an few

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<v Speaker 2>of not acknowledging somebody else's struggle and pain. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very dismissive in that. So with President Trump making that comment,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously nobody's got once thirty dollars, maybe just have to

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<v Speaker 2>get too. It did seem or it came off.

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<v Speaker 1>Awful.

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<v Speaker 2>It just came off.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's crazy about that too, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>that we're so at this point so used to Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>superlatives and his comments where he's very oftentime leading the

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<v Speaker 1>way in mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Spirited phrases and just.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost if we give him a pass in a

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<v Speaker 1>way like, oh, it's just Trump being Trump. But these

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<v Speaker 1>types of things stay with people.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't even necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember what you say. They remember how you make them feel.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of times with what he says and

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<v Speaker 1>how he says it, people, it's it's hard not to

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<v Speaker 1>be offended. And that's certainly what we saw with the

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<v Speaker 1>doll statement this week, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Again we get what he was trying to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>he can put it in a way that only Trump

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<v Speaker 2>can't and make you feel the way that well, only

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<v Speaker 2>Trump can't. Before that is your Saturday morning run. Just

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff that was on our mind. We didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to discuss all this in further detail on

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<v Speaker 2>our Monday through Friday morning run, but glad we got

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<v Speaker 2>to chime in a little bit here. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>are having a good weekend, Keep running and keep running.

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<v Speaker 1>With us some djail and I'm Amy Robock again. Have

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<v Speaker 1>a great Saturday, everybody,