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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. We have a million and

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Speaker 1: one stories to get through this morning, as per usual,

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Emily, great to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you, so a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit of a rundown. Actually we're going to hopefully

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Speaker 1: have a special guest courtesy of Ryan is bringing this

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Speaker 1: Delaware legislator. Ryan, give people just a breakdown of, like

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Speaker 1: really quick t LDR, what is going on in Delaware

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Speaker 1: right now, because it's super crazy and connects directly to

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Speaker 1: national politics as well.

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Speaker 3: Delaware is using a very rushed and unusual process to

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Speaker 3: completely upend its corporate law in order to help out

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk and Tesla and Mark Zuckerberg and Meta. And

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Speaker 3: I don't just mean because they're connected to their companies.

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Speaker 3: It's particular about giving CEOs you know, and heads of

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Speaker 3: companies more power as it relates to their their shareholders

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Speaker 3: and their independent boards. And that could come up on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: And so it's the you know, this multi billion dollar

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Speaker 3: effort to try to bend this already parasitic and wildly

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Speaker 3: corrupt blue state of Delaware even further to their corporate will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing that really precipitated this is a

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Speaker 1: Delaware court struck down Elon's Tesla compensation package supposed to

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Speaker 1: be like fifty six billion dollars, which is more profit

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Speaker 1: than the company has made in its entire existence, and

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Speaker 1: they basically said, look, you have a conflict of interest here.

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Speaker 1: The board is completely controlled by you. They're basically your puppets, Like,

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Speaker 1: we are not going forward with this. And so this legislation,

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Speaker 1: my understanding, is drafted actually by Elon's or Tesla's law firm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's new information now that Meta lawyers

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Speaker 3: were also involved in it, because there's this Delaware investigation

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Speaker 3: of Meta for some of the Cambridge Analytica stuff, which

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Speaker 3: involves shareholder complaints and then some other problems, and Zuckerberg

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Speaker 3: has threatened to leave Delaware. Musk has left Delaware with Tesla,

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Speaker 3: and so everybody thought it was primarily driven by Musk,

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Speaker 3: but it also seems like Zuckerberg is playing a key

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Speaker 1: Of a class interest at work. At work.

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Speaker 3: Wilson Anton, Yeah, she'll be able to talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit about The vote is scheduled for Tuesday, and it's

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Speaker 3: not a sure thing that it'll pass, but they obviously

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Speaker 3: you don't want to bet against the billionaires in Delaware.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, and part of what's interesting here

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Speaker 1: is this is a democratic controlled state, so good example

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Speaker 1: of the corporate union party potentially at work. But there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of outcry over it, so we'll see

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Speaker 1: how it all goes down. I wanted to start. We've

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Speaker 1: got other news about Tasla. We've got this crazy store

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Speaker 1: about story about China. We're going to start with Bernie

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Speaker 1: and AOC at a rally yesterday, actually several rallies yesterday,

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Speaker 1: a huge turnout for them. We've got updates in terms

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Speaker 1: of the Alien Enemies Act and court orders, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So try to get through all of that. But I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with this story. This is a wild one.

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Speaker 1: So New York Times and Wall Street Journal are now

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Speaker 1: reporting that Elon Musk was supposed to be reefed by

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Speaker 1: that might break out with China. To two US officials.

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Speaker 1: It indicated that was the case to the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, the Wall Street Journal ultimately confirmed. The

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Speaker 1: White House is denying this, you know, quite vociferously, and

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Speaker 1: Elon is lashing out at quote unquote leakers which you know,

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Speaker 1: if they're leaking information, I don't know, maybe that indicates

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Speaker 1: that is true. But obviously what's crazy about those guys

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Speaker 1: I suspect it probably is, given you've got to relatively

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Speaker 1: credible outlets reporting at this point. Elon has massive business

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Speaker 1: interests in China. You know, Tesla, like US is this

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Speaker 1: interest in China. He's also SpaceX's ax been banned from

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Speaker 1: implications of some of the things that he's into, and

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Speaker 1: so for him to be read in on our you know,

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Speaker 1: is ryan, to say the least, pretty wild thing to

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Speaker 3: You know, we've never had a situation like this before

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Speaker 3: where somebody has had this deep of a financial link

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Speaker 3: you have some insight into this, Well, why on earth

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Speaker 3: Like is Elon Musk some like military strategist that is

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Speaker 3: what I know about starlink and you know, suggest that

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Speaker 3: I've seen his thought process and the way he approaches

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Speaker 3: things on Twitter, and I've never been like, that's what

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Speaker 3: missing some of his genius.

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Speaker 4: I got nothing, guys. It's insane and it was entirely predictable.

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Speaker 4: And Crystal, You're right, they're denying it vociferously, like Pete Hegsath,

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Speaker 4: Jean Parnell, even Trump himself. They have all come out

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Speaker 4: and so this is absolutely not true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, there we go.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, I don't even think maybe I'm being.

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Speaker 1: Those are honest guys, right, they've never said the truth.

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Speaker 4: And maybe maybe I'm being what's the right word for

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Speaker 4: this I don't know, maybe naive, but I can't imagine

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Speaker 4: that this would not be happening every day anyway like this.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that this particular instance is as disturbing

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Speaker 4: as the fact that Elon Musk's job. He's not the

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Speaker 4: head of dog, he's not the head of what became

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Speaker 4: doge at USDs. He is a White House advisor. That's

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Speaker 4: an illegal filing. His White House advisors an advisor to

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Speaker 4: the President of the United States. So I just don't

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Speaker 4: I imagine things almost as disturbing as this are happening

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Speaker 4: was always going to be that way. Someone has massive

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Speaker 4: business interests in China. This is a white House that's

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Speaker 4: in a state department and a Pentagon that's very focused

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Speaker 4: I mean, his just by osmosis at very like, at

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Speaker 4: the very least, biosmosis soaking up a lot of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The Wall Street Journal has this explanation of why

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Speaker 1: he's getting the briefing. To Ryan's point, it says, Musk,

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Speaker 1: according to one person familiar with the arrangements, is receiving

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Speaker 1: In a statement on x Hegseth disputed that he would

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Speaker 1: receive a sensitive China briefing, saying it is an informal

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Speaker 3: And that seems to be confirmation that it actually is about,

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Speaker 3: you know, potential war with China. What it sounds like

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Speaker 3: what Musk asked to be briefed about is what is

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Speaker 3: China's production capacity when it comes to you know, military capacity,

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Speaker 3: and what is what is the US production capacity? Which

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Speaker 3: are legitimate questions for anybody who cares about the US

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Speaker 3: does appear like right now, if we actually did get

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Speaker 3: China is looking pretty good and we're not. We're not

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Speaker 3: looking so good. So it seems like that's what Musk

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Speaker 1: That's what innovation is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, innovation production like that, Like what else could that

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Speaker 3: be about? So doesn't Now, it doesn't mean that he

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Speaker 3: furious denials because it's not that, but it still is.

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Speaker 3: It's the more important part. We don't war with China.

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Speaker 4: We don't know, and there's no way for us, no

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Speaker 4: other than their denials about where the line is allegedly. So,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's that's even at the best case scenario

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Speaker 4: government to make it more efficient, and he particularly is

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Speaker 4: focused on cutting the Pentagon if he has business overseas China, Israel, Ukraine, Russia,

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Speaker 4: whatever it is. It is an insane conflict of interest,

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Speaker 4: there's no we're all aware of that at this point,

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Speaker 4: and there's no check on what we are able to discern, Like,

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Speaker 4: we have absolutely no way he's supposed to be filing

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Speaker 4: waivers according to the DOJ Special Government Employee status. We

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Speaker 4: don't know what he's what information he's receiving. We have

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Speaker 4: no idea how that's influencing his business. There's absolutely no

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Speaker 4: way that he's able to separate public and private. Mentally,

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Speaker 4: if you're getting information because of your clearance and because

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Speaker 4: the White House, there's absolutely no way that that doesn't

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Speaker 4: just insane. Of course, DOGE was always going to be

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Speaker 4: a glaring conflict of interests and playbook read these VOCIFERUS

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Speaker 4: interesting because I guess there's some truth that publicly, maybe

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Speaker 4: there's shame. There's still a modicum of shame, right having

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Speaker 4: come in right. Granted, defense contractors have been determining the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a good point. At least they

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Speaker 3: didn't say, so what if we gave them more China

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which was a possibility that they would. You know, like,

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Speaker 1: these liberals are melting down over you just giving Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: who's just a brave patriot sacrificing himself for the public

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Speaker 1: good these war plans. But I think, Emily, to your point,

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Speaker 1: like it just brings home how insane the whole situation is,

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Speaker 1: of He's not just a Pentagon contractor, he's one of

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Speaker 1: really dive into But you know, we know from reporting

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Speaker 1: just sort of you know, kneecap his competitors there with

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Speaker 1: regard to Starlink and shift contracts to him. We know

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Speaker 1: there's been an effort to shift some of the rural

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Speaker 1: broadband funding to Starlink, and you know there may be

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Speaker 1: a like actual case for these things, like starlink is

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Speaker 1: a good product. You know, it works well and it's

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Speaker 1: been good for me out here in rural Virginia before

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we have Representative Medina Wilson Anton standing

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 6: So I'll say the premise for all of us as

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Speaker 6: You guys know, we're looking at a federal government that's

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Speaker 1: What do you do?

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Speaker 6: the list. You can you can type into x I

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Speaker 6: still call it Twitter, but you can type into.

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Speaker 5: The search bar.

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Speaker 6: You know, Elon Musk Delaware and find tons of tweets.

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Speaker 6: He does not like our state. He thinks our judges

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Speaker 6: are woke active as judges, which I'll just say as

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Speaker 6: a as a leftist Delaware a quarter of Chancerie, not

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Speaker 6: a bastion of left but I guess, but like he

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Speaker 6: doesn't like Delaware, They're not We're not on their list

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Speaker 6: of states that it's going to do well. Right, We're

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Speaker 6: going to be struggling regardless of whether this bill passes.

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Speaker 6: What worries me is one, it's not just the Elons

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Speaker 6: and you know Zuckerberg, it's lots of other folks that

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Speaker 6: will benefit from this, that want to go to other

445
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Speaker 6: states like Nevada, like Texas, And I feel like if

446
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Speaker 6: we're racing to the bottom for those folks, we are

447
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Speaker 6: alienating really like the majority of our customers, which is

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Speaker 6: the term that they use, and it's like kind of

449
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Speaker 6: makes my stomach hurt, but our customers, right, Like the

450
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Speaker 6: majority of those folks do not support this legislation. And

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Speaker 6: we've heard from like tons of pension funds. We heard

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Speaker 6: from the largest pension fund in California last week, like

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Speaker 6: they're very worried about this legislation and how it's going

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Speaker 6: to impact minority shareholders pensioners, Like why would we alienate

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Speaker 6: them when we're we're never gonna Like I just keep saying,

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Speaker 6: like we got to stop simping for billionaires, like they're

457
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Speaker 6: never going to come back, they're never going to like us,

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Speaker 6: so at least go after folks that maybe we'll continue

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Speaker 6: to stay here. And you know, it's it's often talked

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Speaker 6: about that people come to Delaware because it's like this

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Speaker 6: offshore place where there's no rules and whatever. But what

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Speaker 6: really brings companies to Delaware is the fact that our

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Speaker 6: Court of Chancery has been a mainstay for over like

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Speaker 6: a century. Like it's one of the oldest courts in

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Speaker 6: the world, and so there's a lot of precedent, and

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Speaker 6: so lawyers they encourage companies to incorporate here because they

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Speaker 6: know what they're getting into. And what scares me as

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Speaker 6: a Delaware legislator is passing a bill like this that

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Speaker 6: is obviously written to benefit a rich few. It really

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Speaker 6: attacks that reputation and it makes it seem like Delaware

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Speaker 6: is a state now where our laws are written by

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Speaker 6: the highest bidder.

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Speaker 4: And how are your constituents reacting to this?

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Speaker 5: Oh, my god, have you ever heard of a didas attack?

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Speaker 6: My email inbox is unusable because I've gotten so many

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Speaker 6: emails from constituents that are talking about now like I

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Speaker 6: believed something I don't evenmber what I posted on Instagram

478
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Speaker 6: and I had constituents in the comments like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: but what are you doing about SB twenty one? I

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Speaker 6: emailed you and you didn't respond, and so I made

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Speaker 6: a can but put it on and I'm like, this

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Speaker 6: is this is my position, guys, Like I can't respond

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Speaker 6: to everyone because I literally can't use my inbox. I

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Speaker 6: got a like a a notification from Outlook that was like,

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Speaker 6: you got too many emails at once, so we just

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Speaker 6: shut it down.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't seem right.

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Speaker 2: And you represent how many people?

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Speaker 6: About twenty six thousand Delawarians, right, yeah, and we're in a state.

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Speaker 3: Of you only have twenty six thousand constituents and you're

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Speaker 3: hearing from how many of those are constituents and how

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Speaker 3: many of those are people who are just getting worked

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Speaker 3: up from out of state.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, Ryan, I didn't click through all two thousand and

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Speaker 6: take the address included, Like, but I know, I know

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Speaker 6: basically all of us have gotten about that many emails,

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Speaker 6: so and I haven't heard from anyone saying to support it.

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Speaker 6: The only constituent of mine. This is a little joke,

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Speaker 6: but it's true. The only constituent of mine. Who supports

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Speaker 6: the bill that I'm aware of is the senator who

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Speaker 6: introduced it.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So now it was they had thought about putting

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Speaker 3: it up yesterday. Sounds like because of the public pressure

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Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. We're looking at Tuesday. My understanding is

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Speaker 3: it needs two thirds to pass. So like where are

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Speaker 3: you in your support for building opposition? Like how many

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Speaker 3: numbers do you have and how many more do you need?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, honestly, Like.

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Speaker 6: One of the things like it's it's not my bill,

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Speaker 6: so I'm not like whip counting for it. I'm just

511
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Speaker 6: trying to do my thing, Like I had some other

512
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Speaker 6: bills that were pretty controversial and committee this week that

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Speaker 6: I was focused on. I think my you know, I've

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Speaker 6: been here now is my fifth year. Every year we

515
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Speaker 6: do a bill like this. This is like the most egregious.

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Speaker 6: But every year there's a bill like this that gets

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Speaker 6: pushed through and there's often not much time to actually

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Speaker 6: push back to it, and so I was really surprised

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Speaker 6: that it wasn't on the floor agenda yesterday. And the

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Speaker 6: only reason that I can think of is because they

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Speaker 6: don't have the votes that they need.

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Speaker 5: It's a two thirds. It has a two thirds threshold,

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Speaker 5: so we need fourteen people to say no or not

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Speaker 5: show up, and I think we're pretty close.

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Speaker 6: Otherwise we would have already passed this bill and someone

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Speaker 6: would have already cut the ribbon on it for Zuckerberg

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Speaker 6: and you know, probably had some fun on a yacht

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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things I've been

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to educate myself the ins and outs of

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Speaker 1: this legislation. Like you said, it's fairly complicated. But not

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Speaker 1: only would it help to enable Elon to get his

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Speaker 1: fifty six billion dollars in compensation that had previously been

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Speaker 1: blocked by a court, not only would help Zuckerberg and

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Speaker 1: Meto with what they're trying to do, But can you

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Speaker 1: just briefly explain that the piece about why this would

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Speaker 1: also harm the ability of minority shareholders to be able

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Speaker 1: to exercise influence within the company, because I think that's

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Speaker 1: an important part too that sometimes under discussed with the

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Speaker 1: you know, the musk is the big sort of like

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Speaker 1: flashing redline here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So like so for the example, the Zuckerberg example,

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Speaker 6: for example, right, like the reason why that would get

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Speaker 6: thrown out has to do with books and records. And

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Speaker 6: what we've heard is controllers are really frustrated because they

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Speaker 6: feel like every you know, every waking moment, someone's coming

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Speaker 6: that has like five shares in a company, and they're like,

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Speaker 6: I want to see all the emails about this exchange,

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Speaker 6: Like I want to know whether you're you know, whether

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Speaker 6: this transaction was fair to us, And you know, when

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Speaker 6: I meet with them, I've met with everyone, like I

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Speaker 6: can I can see how it's frustrating, you know, to

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Speaker 6: have to stop and pay someone to go through and

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Speaker 6: within five days send all the emails and all the.

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Speaker 5: Text messages and all that.

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Speaker 6: But what they're saying is that this is a problem

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Speaker 6: that's like over the past ten five years. We want

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Speaker 6: to go back like ten years to when people weren't

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Speaker 6: texting and when they weren't emailing. And then when I

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Speaker 6: look at the facts of the case with like Elon's.

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Speaker 5: Compensation package where.

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Speaker 6: The director who was who was part of the conversation

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Speaker 6: is like Bestie's with him, Elon says under oath on

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Speaker 6: the record that there was no one to negotiate.

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Speaker 5: Against, so he negotiated against himself, right.

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Speaker 6: Like clearly, clearly the minority shareholders were not you know,

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Speaker 6: party to that conversation, and then you know that goes

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Speaker 6: through say, say it stays at fifty six billion dollars.

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Speaker 6: Right if you were a testa shareholder right now watching

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Speaker 6: what Elon is doing to the value of your shares,

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Speaker 6: is he really worth fifty six billion dollars? Like imagine

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Speaker 6: if that had not gotten overturned. Like it's like, it's

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Speaker 6: it's really hard for me to even process people making

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Speaker 6: this argument, but they're like, well, people voted for it.

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Speaker 5: People voted for it.

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Speaker 6: They voted for it without any information about what the

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Speaker 6: internal metrics were that they'd already hit like he was

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Speaker 6: supposed to be getting this, like these bonuses, if they

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Speaker 6: hit this, if they hit that, they'd already hit them

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Speaker 6: and they knew they were about to hit the next one.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't a threat, it wasn't a reach goal, right Like,

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Speaker 6: And those that types of information comes out because you

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Speaker 6: have plans, attorneys that actually do the investigations to make

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Speaker 6: that case. And it's clear that these you know, tech oligarchs,

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Speaker 6: they don't want any accountability. Like the messaging that we've

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Speaker 6: been given is the court is out of balance. It's unpredictable.

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Speaker 6: We need to restore balance. But what they're really saying

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Speaker 6: is when it's balanced, we don't like that.

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Speaker 5: We don't want balance, right.

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Speaker 6: And you know, pension funds don't want to invest in

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Speaker 6: companies that are just going to throw money in the

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Speaker 6: garbage and light it on fire because a guy wants

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Speaker 6: to go to space and wants to you know, moonlight

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Speaker 6: as a public servant.

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Speaker 5: Like, that's not good for minority shareholders.

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Speaker 6: So folks are worried that if they do lose the

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Speaker 6: ability to actually investigate these people, you know, the companies

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Speaker 6: that they invest in that are in Delaware are not

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Speaker 6: safe investments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at this point it might be more financially

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Speaker 1: advantageous to pay a lot must fifty six billion dollars

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Speaker 1: to go away, given the way that he's helping to

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Speaker 1: tank Tesla sales and number of investors who are starting

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Speaker 1: to come out and say, I don't know what going well.

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Speaker 6: Terrified of thinking of Elon Musk being fifty six billion

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Speaker 6: dollars richer, Like I mean, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Got more money than any of us could wrap our

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Speaker 1: heads around. You know, it's insanity, utter insanity. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, representative for helping us to understand this.

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Speaker 1: It's been really really useful to get your insights as

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Speaker 1: someone who's trying to grapple with all of these issues

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Speaker 1: and make sure you know the state's okay and state

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Speaker 1: budget is okay and all of those good things do

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Yeah, of course. Yeah, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you soon. And if you just you can just make

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Speaker 1: sure that your thing is uploaded, then you can just

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Speaker 1: click the leave button and we should be all good.

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Speaker 2: Got it?

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Speaker 5: Okay, this is ninety nine percent. Do you have to

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Speaker 5: click anything?

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Speaker 1: No, you should be good. Thank you. I'm gonna go

622
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Speaker 1: ahead and pull up. Guys, this is something I've been

623
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Speaker 1: keeping track of. Just to stick on the Tesla conversation

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Speaker 1: for for one more minute. So the Financial Times Leo

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Speaker 1: Michael Cores really wants me to buy something. Financial Times

626
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: flagged this accounting red flag we'll call it where you know.

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Speaker 1: The way that this article frames it as Tesla's missing

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Speaker 1: one point four billion dollars has accounting experts asking questions.

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Speaker 1: I'll just read you a little bit here. So effectively,

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Speaker 1: they have a mismatch between how much they say they

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Speaker 1: invested in you know, property, you plant and equipment. Those

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Speaker 1: sorts of things, and how much of those sorts of

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Speaker 1: assets are on the books. So the amount that they

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Speaker 1: claim they invested is one point four billion dollars lower

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Speaker 1: than the amount they're now reflecting on the books. So

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Speaker 1: there are some you know, potential innocent explanations for this.

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Speaker 1: So they say Tesla spent six point three billion dollars

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Speaker 1: in capital expenditures in the last six months, but the

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Speaker 1: gross values of their assets only increase by four point

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Speaker 1: nine billion, leaving one point four billion on ac counted for.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of other sort of questionable pieces

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Speaker 1: with regards to Tesla's accounting, including the fact that even

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Speaker 1: though they claim they're sitting on thirty seven billion dollars

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Speaker 1: in cash reserves, they still raised six billion dollars in

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00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: debt last year at a time when interest rates are

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Speaker 1: like relatively high, so it's not the best time to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, raising debt. They also are not issuing any

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Speaker 1: dividends whatsoever. And so there's a few things here that

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Speaker 1: people who look at financial fraud are kind of scratching

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Speaker 1: their head about, and you know, it tracks some with

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Speaker 1: the Obviously, Tesla is not doing well as a company

652
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Speaker 1: for the reasons that we discussed before elon stale product

653
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Speaker 1: line competition from China, et cetera. It also tracks with

654
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Speaker 1: this weird Canada story where they like desperately scrounged together

655
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Speaker 1: potentially fraudulently, potentially because they had this loung like backstock

656
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Speaker 1: of ev rebates that they came in and cashed in

657
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Speaker 1: right before the ev rebate program ended, which also is

658
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Speaker 1: sort of smacked of desperation. So I don't know, this

659
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Speaker 1: is one just to sort of like put a pin

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Speaker 1: in and keep an eye on. But Ryan, what did

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Speaker 1: you make it? A conversation with with the representative Wilson

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Speaker 1: Anton about the way she's thinking about this and how

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Speaker 1: this is likely to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was I was enlightening in some ways. I

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Speaker 3: because I didn't realize that Facebook et cetera. Are capped

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Speaker 3: at how much they can spend.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I know that Delaware is valuable to these companies because

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Speaker 3: it's it's so cheap and because there are very few

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Speaker 3: you know, the rules are tilted in the direction of corporations.

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Speaker 3: But I thought that every transaction, you know, even though

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Speaker 3: it's only fifty dollars or a couple hundred dollars depending

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Speaker 3: on the size to like register as an LLC in Delaware.

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Speaker 2: If you do a whole.

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Speaker 3: Lot of different registrations, that's going to increase the amount.

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Speaker 3: But it's interesting that they're even capped two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty k. So it was just that you would tell

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Speaker 3: these you know, handful dozens of companies total that have

679
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Speaker 3: these charismatic control controlling CEOs to be like, okay, look,

680
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Speaker 3: this is not the state for you. Like that's why

681
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Speaker 3: we have Nebraska and we have Nevada, and you know

682
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Speaker 3: there are there's there's this race to the bottom with

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Speaker 3: a bunch of these other states that see the amount

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Speaker 3: of revenue Delaware makes from corporate registrations and wants to

685
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Speaker 3: wants to match that. So you guys, go ahead and

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Speaker 3: go there. But you know, her point is accurate that

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Speaker 3: corporations also want stability and and Delaware has, because of

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Speaker 3: its chance to record, offered stability for many years. So

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Speaker 3: it is interesting that Delaware could throw its entire system

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Speaker 3: out of whack and kill the golden goose. You know,

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Speaker 3: their golden goose is this?

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Speaker 2: You know this?

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Speaker 3: You know these corporations registering in Delaware. No no offense

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Speaker 3: of Delaware if they killed their golden goose. You know,

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Speaker 3: good like they Nevada, all the North Dakota, all these

696
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Speaker 3: states that are doing this are parasites living off the

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Speaker 3: rest of the rest of the country and the rest

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Speaker 3: of the world, you know, and you know, they get

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Speaker 3: no sales tax and they get lower tax so good

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Speaker 3: good for them. But like that's what that ultimately is

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Speaker 3: is on.

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Speaker 1: The back of us, right, because they're winning the race

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Speaker 1: to the bottom to get all of these corporations to

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Speaker 1: register in these few handful of states rather than them

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Speaker 1: being distributed across the country, across the world, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And facing tougher regulation and consumer protections and yes, shareholder

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Speaker 3: shareholder rights, et cetera. So you know, we get worse

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Speaker 3: consumer protections, worst shareholder rights, you know, lower corporate taxes

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Speaker 3: so that Delaware can have no sales tax. Like, it's

710
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Speaker 3: not a good deal for the rest of the country. Right,

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Speaker 3: So it'd be interesting if they just if they screwed up,

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Speaker 3: if they killed their own golden goose out of misplaced

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Speaker 3: fealty to you know, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 1: This is the one of the lever news reports. They've

715
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Speaker 1: been doing a really good job tracking this I just

716
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Speaker 1: wanted to give them a shout out. But one last

717
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Speaker 1: thing I'll mention before we move on to some some well,

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Speaker 1: I mean everything is Elon news, but not directly Elon news.

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Speaker 1: Is you know you mentioned Ryan how they have to

720
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Speaker 1: be concerned not just about oh Elon and Bill Ackman

721
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: and Mark Zuckerberg and these people are mad and they're

722
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Speaker 1: going to leave the state or they already left the

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Speaker 1: state or whatever. They also have to be worried about

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Speaker 1: the full force of the federal government being trained directly

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Speaker 1: on them. And I did a piece yesterday tracking the

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Speaker 1: way this has looked for the state of Maine. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys remember there was this like

728
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Speaker 1: flap with there was a governor's meeting and Trump calls

729
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Speaker 1: out the governor of Maine because she isn't doing what

730
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Speaker 1: he wants with regard to trans girls in sports. Right,

731
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Speaker 1: there's two trans athletes in the state of Maine, and

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Speaker 1: you know, she's not doing what he wants her to do.

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Speaker 1: And so he basically said, you know, I'll you know,

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Speaker 1: you're going to lose your funding or we're going to

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Speaker 1: see you in court, et cetera. Well, it's been way

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Speaker 1: beyond just it's not just a Department of Education investigation.

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Speaker 1: It's an HHS investigation, it's a USDA investigation, it's National

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Speaker 1: Oceanic Administration. Atmospheric Administration got involved, pulled their main C grant,

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Speaker 1: which is supposed to like support fishermen and you know marine.

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Speaker 2: Research, massively destructive to Maine to do that.

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Speaker 1: It actually yeah, I mean this is like a program

742
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Speaker 1: that has supported thousands of jobs in Maine for years

743
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Speaker 1: and years and whatever. Then and with this connect to

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Speaker 1: story we're going to do later on. This Social Security

745
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Speaker 1: Administration dude gets involved. He's the one who was put

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Speaker 1: in charge because he went around the superiors backs and

747
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Speaker 1: gave the DOJ hackers access to like whatever it is

748
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Speaker 1: that they wanted. So he decides that he's going to

749
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Speaker 1: cut the contract that allows the like if you're a

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Speaker 1: new a parent of a newborn when you're in the

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Speaker 1: hospital to just check a box like yes, please, I'd

752
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Speaker 1: like a Social Security number. Now you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: take your baby newborn to the Social Security Field office,

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Speaker 1: which has a ligne out the door to the extend

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Speaker 1: it exists at all to be able to get this

756
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Speaker 1: social Security for newborn. Also cut the same service for

757
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Speaker 1: funeral homes, so when your loved one dies, you now

758
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Speaker 1: have to do go through the same you know, painful rigamarole,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, out of retribution. He initially was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just an innocent mistake, and then later on admitted

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Speaker 1: that he was mad about the way that the governor

762
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Speaker 1: treated the president was how he described it. Now, some

763
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Speaker 1: of this stuff, because they happened to have a Republican senator,

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Speaker 1: Susan Collins, has been rolled back, has been reinstated because

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Speaker 1: she was able to go and make her plea to

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Speaker 1: you know, the King of begging for forbearance, and so

767
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Speaker 1: some of these things have been put back in place.

768
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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm sure Delaware is looking at that,

769
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Speaker 1: is looking at the threats to California, is looking at,

770
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Speaker 1: you know, the the treatment of all kinds of people's institution, institutions,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, that I've gotten crosswise with this administration, or like,

772
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Speaker 1: do we really want to play this game.

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Speaker 4: It's the mob?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's nice state you got there.

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of power kind of on the

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Speaker 3: table that hasn't been used by the federal government against

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Speaker 3: states and against institutions and nonprofits because of norms that

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Speaker 3: have built up over the last couple hundred years, and

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Speaker 3: not just.

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Speaker 1: Norms, but also some legislation that you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the big founding of the Republic, we had a lot

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Speaker 1: of like this sort of patronage system that is very common,

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Speaker 1: and then over time there was actual reform and legislation

784
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Speaker 1: put in place too to try to ensure that the

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Speaker 1: bureaucracy would be more or less neutral. And not to

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Speaker 1: say that it's ever lived up fully to that ideal,

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Speaker 1: you know, but that was kind of the assumption, is

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Speaker 1: that the bureaucracy would be neutral, whether it was you

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Speaker 1: as a person, you as a state, you was a

790
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Speaker 1: law firm, as is another relevant example right now, you

791
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Speaker 1: as a media organization, et cetera. And that expectation this

792
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: administration is just completely tossed out the window. Now your

793
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Speaker 1: expectation is that you will be targeted if you get

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Speaker 1: crosswise with them.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because Emily, I think your mic went off.

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Speaker 1: Don jummy, I hear you, but it's kind of quieter.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there you go any thing, but I'll just talk louder.

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Speaker 4: But one of the things that is interesting about it

799
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Speaker 4: is there was I mean there were threats the Obomba

800
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Speaker 4: administration threatened every K through twelve school actually higher education

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Speaker 4: to first on the dear Colleague letter on sexual assault

802
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Speaker 4: and then on the dear Colleague letter reading gender identity

803
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Speaker 4: into title nine. And what Trump is doing is much

804
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Speaker 4: more nakedly like, hey, I am the boss. I am

805
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: you know, the guy in charge of this racket that

806
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Speaker 4: we call the federal government, and you will comply with me.

807
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: But I think some of it stems from and I

808
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 4: know this because I hear it on the right watching

809
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: the lesson of how federal funds were used for a

810
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Speaker 4: long time by I mean, the Obama administration is the

811
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Speaker 4: best example in the Biden administration. So some of it

812
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Speaker 4: is like they took permission, they realized like, okay, so

813
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Speaker 4: we're going to play this game. We're going to play

814
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Speaker 4: it way better than you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

816
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a fair point in the sense

817
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Speaker 3: that the Obama Department of Education, did you know, use

818
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Speaker 3: the at department entitle nine to pressure universities to change

819
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Speaker 3: change policies.

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Speaker 2: And yeah.

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Speaker 3: The difference now, of course, is that they're using like

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Speaker 3: the presence of Social Security offices to pressure a high

823
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Speaker 3: school on trans athletes or something like. It's like right,

824
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Speaker 3: what like at least with Obama is like we're going

825
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Speaker 3: to use university funding to try to pressure universities to

826
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Speaker 3: do a thing. Whereas Obama, you know, whereas Trump is like,

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Speaker 3: we're going to use social Security money.

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Speaker 1: We're going to use social Security, We're going to use

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Speaker 1: We're going to threaten your c grant funding, We're going

830
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Speaker 1: to use HHS off to USDA. Yeah. I mean, it's

831
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Speaker 1: really like the whole government is going to try to

832
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Speaker 1: screw you over. And you know, I mean one of

833
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: the things that we have to think through going forward

834
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Speaker 1: to is, you know, we already know that they're using

835
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Speaker 1: AI to scrub social media accounts to target dissidents, especially

836
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Speaker 1: with regard to Israel, and you know, some indications that

837
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Speaker 1: could be maybe some of what's going on to locate

838
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Speaker 1: these quote unquote gang members. More on that in a moment,

839
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Speaker 1: and you know, find their alleged tattoos that are so

840
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Speaker 1: evil that they have to be disappeared into a foreign goolag.

841
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: But they want to consolidate all of the data that

842
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Speaker 1: the federal government has on all of us, and they

843
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Speaker 1: want to use AI. So I mean it's not. It

844
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Speaker 1: doesn't take a leap to imagine the way that you

845
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even need a particular bureaucrat to hate you, like

846
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Speaker 1: the Social Security dude hated the Janet Mills, the governor

847
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Speaker 1: of Maine, to have your experience with the government now

848
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Speaker 1: be biased against you if you dare, say one of

849
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Speaker 1: the you know, forbidden words, or hold a forbidden pic position,

850
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Speaker 1: or have criticized Elon or Tesla God forbid or Trump

851
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Speaker 1: et cetera.

852
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Speaker 4: Like, there are the.

853
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Speaker 1: Tools now to you institute that level of weaponization down

854
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Speaker 1: to the person by person level, even if you are

855
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: basically like just a nobody, random ordinary person who happens

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Speaker 1: to have a political opinion. That's all I think at

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00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: this point on the table right now, and to me

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Speaker 1: is quite terrifying direction that we could very easily be

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Speaker 1: headed in.

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Speaker 4: Well, and you have multiple private sector folks in the

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Speaker 4: government with special government employee status who would have access.

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Speaker 4: So that's sort of centralized.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, That's exactly right. So this I

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Speaker 1: wanted to cover this story, you know, getting to the

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Speaker 1: latest with regard to the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act.

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Speaker 1: You know, the administration is claiming that this gives them

867
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Speaker 1: extraordinary powers to basically round up into port with zero

868
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Speaker 1: do process whoever they want, and apparently ship them to

869
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Speaker 1: this you know, prison in El Salvador, known for human

870
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Speaker 1: rights abuses and slave labor. They also think that it

871
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Speaker 1: believes that it lets them have immigration agents enter homes

872
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: without warrants. So right now you have you know, you

873
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: have the right to if an ICE agent shows up

874
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: at your door and they don't have a warrant, you

875
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Speaker 1: don't have to let them in. And so now they're saying,

876
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Speaker 1: not only can we pick up whoever we want and

877
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, round them up, arrest them, deport them, no

878
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: due process, et cetera, but we can just go into

879
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: your home. We don't even need a you know, we

880
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: don't even need a warrant. Obviously, this is a violation

881
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: many people think of illegal search and seizure constitutional protections. Ryan,

882
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: what did you make of this interpretation, you know, truly

883
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: maximalist interpretation that the administration is going with here of

884
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: what they can do under this Alien Enemies Act.

885
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is clearly the logical extension of

886
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: their position, Like their position is the Secretary of State's

887
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: designation about a person is unreviewable. Therefore they can Secretary

888
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 3: of State can do whatever he wants, and the security

889
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: forces at the direction of the Secretary of State can

890
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: also do whatever they want. That like that like if

891
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: if it is true that somehow the Constitution forgot to

892
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Speaker 3: put limits around what the Secretary of State can do

893
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: to people inside the United States, then yeah, Secretary of

894
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: State can do anything, and and the and.

895
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Speaker 2: The courts have no jurisdiction.

896
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: Now, the courts that have looked at this claim in

897
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: the past, including apparently Donald Trump's federal judge sister, have

898
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: said that no, this is that's an unconstitutionally vague law,

899
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: like that's that's ridiculous, Like you can't. But the Constitution

900
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: is very clear. There's no carve out from the Bill

901
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: of Rights for the Secretary of State because he makes

902
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Speaker 3: some determination.

903
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: Right where you say the magic words or and it's

904
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: an invasion, so now I can round up whoever I want.

905
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Speaker 3: Right And also we're not at war, as you would

906
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: point it out previously, Like being at war doesn't mean

907
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: like your feelings are hurt by anything. It means that

908
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: Congress has declared war and Congress has not. So just

909
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: like right there, but that that feels like you're almost

910
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: splitting hairs. The broader point is constitutional protections apply to

911
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: actors of the state, no matter who they are, whether

912
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: the Secretary of State or somebody else. But if you

913
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: believe that they don't, then sure they can come into

914
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: your house, knock your door down, put you in shackles,

915
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: put you on a plane, and throw you out the

916
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Speaker 3: window of the plane.

917
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and whether you are a citizen non and citizen

918
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Speaker 1: green guard all the result, because how would we if

919
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: there's no due process, assertion is unreviewable. According to them, Ryan,

920
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: real quick, I want you to explain your reporting here

921
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: before we I want to get Emily away as well.

922
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Speaker 1: About we're starting to learn some of the details of

923
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Speaker 1: the people who were disappeared into this El Salvador prison,

924
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Speaker 1: and one of them is this venezuela professional goaltender. Tell

925
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Speaker 1: us a little bit about who this person is and

926
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Speaker 1: what we know about how he even ended up on

927
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Speaker 1: the radar of ice because he has no criminal record whatsoever, So,

928
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, seems strange that he would be a target.

929
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Speaker 1: But then again, the government, in an official filing with

930
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Speaker 1: the court admitted that quote many of the people that

931
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Speaker 1: they sent to this, you know, torture Chamber had had

932
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Speaker 1: no criminal record whatsoever.

933
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so first the apologize. Apparently I should have

934
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Speaker 3: called him goalkeeper, and goaltender is hockey.

935
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was actually wondering that too.

936
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll correct that with apologies. I even played keeper

937
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: in middle school, so I guess I should have known that.

938
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Speaker 1: My son likes the play goalie. So yeah.

939
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Speaker 3: So in any event, this guy hearsay Reyes Barrio is,

940
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Speaker 3: he's a Venezuelan, a professional soccer player there. They pulled

941
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Speaker 3: his criminal record from Venezuela to show that he had

942
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: absolutely zero criminal record there. In February and March of

943
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, he participated in protests against the Maduro government.

944
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Speaker 3: This was happening during the presidential election in which Maduro

945
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: was kicking his main opponent or using his Supreme Court,

946
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: which was allied with him, to kick his main opponent

947
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Speaker 3: off the ballot. It kicked off a lot of protests.

948
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Speaker 3: The United States ramped up sanctions against Venezuela. United States,

949
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: through USAID and other propaganda networks, pushed Venezuelan citizens to

950
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Speaker 3: protest against the Maduro regime. Supported the Venezuelan opposition to

951
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: the fullest extent it could. After having launched several coups

952
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: attempted coups against the Venezuelan government and so he came

953
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: out to two of these marches. After one of them,

954
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Speaker 3: in March of twenty twenty four, he was picked up

955
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Speaker 3: by Maduro security forces tortured in an undisclosed location using

956
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: electrocution and suffocation, according to his families. We found one

957
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: of his family members Spanish Facebook page in Venezuela and

958
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Speaker 3: also confirmed by an Affidavid that his lawyer filed with

959
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: the court. In March twenty twenty four. He left fled

960
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: Venezuela after getting tortured. He made an appointment using the

961
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: CBP one app which at the time under the Biden

962
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: administration said if you report to a port of entry

963
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 3: then you can make your case for political asylum. September

964
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, so this is under Biden to be clear.

965
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Speaker 3: He shows up at the port of entry and he says,

966
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: this is what happened to me, this is who I am.

967
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: I would like to apply for a political asylum. They

968
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: see his tattoo and they say that looks like a

969
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 3: gang tattoo, and they arrest him basically on the spot.

970
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: So we got a statement from DHS saying, you know

971
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 3: that this guy is in was in the country illegally,

972
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: which is an interesting way of putting it, because he

973
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: legally approached CBP. You know, he he had an illegal appointment.

974
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: He was then arrested, So was he in the country

975
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: illegally while he was in detention. So they answer that

976
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: however you want, he's so he's put into maximum security

977
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: because of this tattoo. His lawyer and this is what

978
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: and we confirmed this with the family through this through

979
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 3: this Facebook post, is he gets a lawyer. The lawyer

980
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: reaches out to family and is like, I need his

981
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: venezuela and you know, a criminal record, which they which

982
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: they they pull and send and they even send him

983
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: an affidavid from the tattoo artist who who says this

984
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: this was a crown on top of a soccer ball,

985
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: because he told me he loves Real Madrid. That's the

986
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: Real Madrid logo. And this gang trend de Ragua also

987
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: has a crown in its tattoo that they use. You know,

988
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: he said he had no idea like so you know,

989
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: a crown is not the most obscure thing to get

990
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 3: on a tattoo. Yeah, and so they also submitted a

991
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: whole bunch of images of people who are not in

992
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: the gang gang who also have the tattoo. Now, DHS

993
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: said they found social media posts that also indicated he

994
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: was a gang in a gang. One of them, the

995
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: only one that is public is him going.

996
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Like this, yeah, I can pull that up actually, and

997
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: his lawyers.

998
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: Like that's a that's like sign language for I love you.

999
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: And it's also like dude rock and roll, like let's

1000
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: rock and.

1001
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: Roll like so like yeah, so that like this is

1002
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the gang group.

1003
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 3: Anybody anybody ever done this? Like has anybody ever made

1004
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: that hand gesture? And so it April seventeenth, he is

1005
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: Slash was scheduled to have his like final hearing because

1006
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: this is what you know. So he's been in prison

1007
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: this entire time. When they finally sent him all of

1008
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: this information about the tattoo and his criminal record. In

1009
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: March tenth or eleventh, the ICE moved him out of

1010
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 3: maximum security. They're like, Okay, well, I guess we don't

1011
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: need to keep him in this hardcore lockup anymore. But

1012
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: then it was March fifteenth that they just swept him

1013
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: up and put him on the plane and shipped him

1014
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: to Al Salvador. April seventeenth, he's supposed to have a

1015
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: hearing where he would make his case.

1016
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: Now.

1017
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: September first is when he was picked up by Biden,

1018
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: not picked up. He turned himself in at the border.

1019
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 3: So how many was that September, October, November, December, January.

1020
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 3: He's so he's been in six months in detention after

1021
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 3: you know, going from Venezuela to Mexico and getting torture

1022
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: down there. And so his family saw him in that

1023
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: as m R Social d social media post that yeah,

1024
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 3: the Trump administration.

1025
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: Posted the propaganda.

1026
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, where.

1027
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: They're shaving the guy's heads and like and this the

1028
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: family is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's her. Say what

1029
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: the hell is hers say? What the hell's hers doing?

1030
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: So they reached back out to the lawyer, and the

1031
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: lawyer said, well, he doesn't show up in the ice

1032
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: thing anymore. And after like three days of harassing DHS,

1033
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: DHS finally confirmed to the lawyer, yeah, he was shipped

1034
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 3: down to l Salvador. I saw Sean Davis, a you know,

1035
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: prominent conservative attorney, saying well, this is actually this is

1036
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 3: on the attorney for not filing a habeas Sean Sean, Yeah,

1037
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: an attorney.

1038
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: Oh, he's just a dude. Never mind.

1039
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: Anyway, I won't criticize him though. He was saying if

1040
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: he just said something.

1041
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: Stupid non expert saying, there was no chance.

1042
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: For the lawyers to do anything here. So he wasn't

1043
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 3: in the country, and he was in the country, but

1044
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: he was in a detention facility, which is on Biden

1045
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: as well, because it was you know, this is Biden's Ice, which, right,

1046
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: if you think about when this happened to September, this

1047
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: is the height of the presidential campaign, when you know

1048
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 3: the Haitian stuff is going on, and Trenda Araga they're

1049
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: the ones that were taking over the Colorado.

1050
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: Building. Is that that's right? Yeah, So like they were

1051
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: like a big thing, right.

1052
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: So Ice was clearly, you know, on the lookout for

1053
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: anybody from Venezuela that they thought might be connected, might.

1054
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: Have a tattoo that is remotely I mean the other

1055
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: ones I've seen is like one person. Some of the

1056
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: reporting indiquate caated. Also if you just were from Arragua,

1057
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: which is this Venezuelan state where Trenda Aragua is from

1058
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: that that would be sufficient to you know, put you

1059
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: in the bucket of like, oh, you must be a

1060
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: gang member, whereas at least some of those people are

1061
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: actually fleeing the gang violence that had you know, was

1062
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: in demic to their part of Venezuela. So one of

1063
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: the other tattoos is a rose is supposed to be affiliated. Again,

1064
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: there are many people.

1065
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: Have rose tattoos, So that'll be fine, that'll be.

1066
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure that'll really narrow it down. But why I mean, Emily,

1067
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: this is like we still one news outlet did publish

1068
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: the alleged list of everyone who was deported as part

1069
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: of this, but like obviously we still don't have all

1070
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: the details. But like I said, even the government in

1071
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: this really I mean talk about Orwellian. They tried to

1072
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: argue in court that the fact that these guys didn't

1073
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: have any criminal record made them more dangerous because that

1074
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: meant we knew less about them. That was, they argued.

1075
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, according to his family and

1076
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: his lawyers and you know, and him, this guy he

1077
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: actually followed, but he did the thing that he was

1078
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: supposed to, got his CBP one app appointment and showed

1079
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: up at the border and the port of entry where

1080
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: he was supposed to go. He had his appointment, he

1081
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Speaker 1: was until he was, you know, arrested as best he could.

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Speaker 1: He was making his core appointments, et cetera. And I

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Speaker 1: think it just underscores that when you get rid of

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Speaker 1: due process in any instance, it means you're really getting

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Speaker 1: rid of due process for everyone.

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Speaker 3: And while you painted, I can reach the DHS statement,

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Speaker 3: Tricia McLaughlin told me, quote, Hairs Rayes Borrows was not

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Speaker 3: only in the United States illegally, but he has tattoos

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Speaker 3: that are consistent with those indicating TDA gang membership. His

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Speaker 3: own social media indicates he is a member of the

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Speaker 3: vicious TDA gang. That all said, DHS intelligence assessments go

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Speaker 3: beyond a single tattoo, and we are confident in our

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Speaker 3: findings unquote.

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Speaker 2: So that's the DHS response.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they're claiming he was in the

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Speaker 4: country illegally if he claimed asylum, and from what we

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Speaker 4: know based on the drop site reporting you're reporting, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: is that this was a legitimate asylum claim. This is

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Speaker 4: this asylum claim that a Marco Rubio or Maria Alviro

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Speaker 4: sal Salazar would like this is like the proper use

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Speaker 4: actually of the asylum program going after our enemy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean historically only it's only you know, after Cubans.

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Speaker 1: That Venezuelans are beloved by Republicans, you know, because yes,

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Speaker 1: they're flaring Maduro and so they have historically gotten better

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Speaker 1: treatment by immigration authorities than you know, other migrants.

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Speaker 4: So Hairsay's story is the story that I've dreaded throughout

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration because it seemed inevitable to me that

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Speaker 4: when you have a flood of eight million migrants and

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Speaker 4: thousands of those it's a small percentage of the overall total,

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Speaker 4: but thousands of them have criminal records that you're going

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Speaker 4: to have to make broad sweeps and targeting in order

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Speaker 4: to like actually reclaim. And Biden knew, by the way,

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Speaker 4: there was going to be a swing back on immigration

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Speaker 4: policy eventually, and so it was just completely reckless the

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Speaker 4: way that they did this and like do process for example.

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Speaker 4: That was part of the reason that part of the

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Speaker 4: reason that you're detail a guy from Venezuela because he

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Speaker 4: has a crown and a rose tattoo and a social

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Speaker 4: media picture of him like doing the rock and roll

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Speaker 4: symbol is because they brought into asylum process. They brought

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Speaker 4: in the asylum process to the point where you could

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Speaker 4: not mathematically, I mean the amount of work that we

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Speaker 4: would have had to have done to rebuild our ability

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Speaker 4: to hear asylum cases, just like there was basically no

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Speaker 4: way to do it. And so it was screwing a

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Speaker 4: lot of legitimate people, some of them I talked to.

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Speaker 4: The Cuban kit I talked to at the border a

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Speaker 4: couple of years ago, was having a hard time getting

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Speaker 4: in and paid tens of we paid over ten thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars to get here across the border, had to come

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Speaker 4: back like it was just a disaster. And so it

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Speaker 4: just makes me, really I feel like the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: played with people's lives and I for political purposes, and

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Speaker 4: so I don't think it's I think the Trump administration

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Speaker 4: needs to be extremely targeted as it's doing deportations, but

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Speaker 4: I also think it's important to get thousands of criminals

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Speaker 4: who are not just criminals because they cross the border illegally,

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Speaker 4: but because they're violent criminals. I think it's important to

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Speaker 4: get people like that the hell out of the country.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think the Trump administration is in an

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Speaker 4: easy position, but it's it just sucks to see this

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Speaker 4: happen and it's wrong. And I hope the fact that

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Speaker 4: herse is Venezuelan and what Crystal said that is something

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Speaker 4: that Marco Rubio cares a whole lot about. If the

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Speaker 4: aliens in national the Alien and Enemies Act sucks, the

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Speaker 4: application of it absolutely sucks.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with any of that, but hopefully the

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Speaker 4: fact that like legit dissidents are getting caught up in

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Speaker 4: this is a wake up sign.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the problem what this shows is

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Speaker 3: that the Trump administration isn't actually serious about what it's doing.

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Speaker 3: Because he was already behind bars. So if they're concern

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Speaker 3: was that he's so dangerous that he's going to be

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Speaker 3: out there, you know, attacking college students, that's not You're good, Like,

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Speaker 3: you've had this guy locked up for six months and

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Speaker 3: he has a appointment on April seventeenth, You could you

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Speaker 3: can keep him in lock up for another month.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that they should, because I think that

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Speaker 3: he's case, you know, warrants being let out on bond.

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Speaker 3: But whatever, y'all won if you were worried about him

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Speaker 3: committing crimes if you're worried about people committing crimes, you'd

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Speaker 3: find you'd try to find people who are not behind

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Speaker 3: bars already. The ones that are behind bars exactly what

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Speaker 3: they want is numbers and then want warm bodies flown

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Speaker 3: out of the country and they don't care.

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Speaker 1: And shocking images and shocking images. Yeah, that's that's exactly right,

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Speaker 1: because there's also a there's a piece here of wanting

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Speaker 1: to scare people, and there's a piece here of wanting

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Speaker 1: to appease a base that was sold mass deportation and

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Speaker 1: also was sold I mean, you know that a larger

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Speaker 1: number of these migrants or criminals than actually are you know,

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Speaker 1: they were sold that that Trump's Oh they're emptying out

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Speaker 1: their asylums and sending the worst of the world. And

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Speaker 1: so when you actually are dealing in reality and the

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Speaker 1: number of immigrants who you know actually have criminal records

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Speaker 1: is much much, much much smaller as a percentage than

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Speaker 1: what has been portrayed to the public, then you've set

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Speaker 1: up a sort of impossible situation. So you have to

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Speaker 1: rely on these like horrific fascists, in my opinion, stunts

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Speaker 1: like the Guantanamo Bay thing, like the use of military

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Speaker 1: planes even though they're insanely more expensive. And now this

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Speaker 1: is the most aggressive, most egregious stunt, and it is

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Speaker 1: both a stunt and it is also extremely not just dangerous,

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Speaker 1: but damaging in the same way that you know, extraordinary

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Speaker 1: rendition under the War on Terror and torturing people at

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Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay, and all of those things were dangerous and damaging,

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Speaker 1: not just to the people that it happened to, but

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Speaker 1: to everybody. Because look, if you don't have due process,

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Speaker 1: what is to stop them from taking literally anyone and

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Speaker 1: saying they were a bad person, they were a gang member,

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Speaker 1: they were here illegally, Who are they? What's the stro

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Speaker 1: We don't know, we'll never tell you. They're now disappeared

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Speaker 1: into this prison. And that's why it really is an

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Speaker 1: infringement on all of our rights, not just on the

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Speaker 1: you know, official batties that people would want to see

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Speaker 1: removed from the country.

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Speaker 3: And actually Trump is now let me see if I

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Speaker 3: can pull this up. You know, threatening producer Mac just sent.

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Speaker 4: This saying that it's threatening producer Mac threatening by proxy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I love the threatened producer Mac. Let me

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Speaker 2: let me, let me make sure my d ms are closed.

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Speaker 4: Let me just say, yeah, let me just say also

1205
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Speaker 4: where you're pulling that up r and that the thing

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Speaker 4: that does what a thing that does concern me so far?

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Speaker 4: Is that the To answer Crystal's question, I think one

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Speaker 4: of the things that stops them on due process so

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Speaker 4: far is our citizenship. But we don't know what they

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Speaker 4: know about the people who were deported citizens, Like we

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Speaker 4: actually don't have information about how sure they were that

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Speaker 4: they weren't rounding up actual citizens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I said significant. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: said before I suspect these are all undocumented immigrants, but

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Speaker 1: we don't actually know that. And Ice has been known,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got numerous reports just recently. But this

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Speaker 1: is the case over many administrations. They've gotten it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Many times. They've detained, arrested, et cetera, people who were

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Speaker 1: citizens just because they were in the wrong place at

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Speaker 1: the wrong time they looked like they might be undocumented.

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Speaker 1: You know, they were at a work, a place of

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Speaker 1: business where they thought this would you know, be somebody

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Speaker 1: who was undocumented, et cetera. So, yeah, Ice gets it

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Speaker 1: wrong and screws up all the time. And again, we

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Speaker 1: have no way of actually without due process. You don't

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Speaker 1: even have a way of knowing that these people that

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Speaker 1: none of them were US citizens. You don't even have

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Speaker 1: a way of knowing that these are actually even all

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Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants, let alone gang members, let alone criminals, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they haven't right of the information sufficiently.

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Speaker 1: No, and the Ryan did you did you you pulled

1232
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Speaker 1: up the Trump thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, Uh, I look forward to watching the

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Speaker 3: sick terrorist thugs get twenty year jail sentences for what

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Speaker 3: they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla. Perhaps they

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01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: could serve them in the prisons of l Salvador, which

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Speaker 3: have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions.

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Speaker 1: So now we're talking about US citizens potentially who dare

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Speaker 1: to vandalize the Tesla or Tesla charger or Tesla dealership

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Speaker 1: or whatever, who now you know, are being threatened by

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Speaker 1: the president with being also disappeared into this foreign gulag.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, when these things are on the table,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't stay with the you know, with the official

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01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: batties that people are you know, are primed to hate

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Speaker 1: and want to see the maximum amount of retribution aim

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Speaker 1: towards Jack.

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Speaker 4: Suppose that was January sixth, by the way, Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: you write f tesla on a cyber truck at a

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Speaker 4: dealership or a showroom, and that's domestic terrorism. This is

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Speaker 4: one of the things that they're right was arguing in

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01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 4: I think persuasively and Ryan, I know some of like

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01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 4: you're at the time writers at the intercept, we're doing

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 4: great work on this. I think that's a wildly inappropriate

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 4: expansion of domestic terrorism, like in the ways that we're

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Speaker 4: absolutely encroaching on people's civil liberties. And there were court

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Speaker 4: cases about all of this.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so like, yeah, you can you can

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Speaker 1: you know, violently attack the capital and that's not domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 1: But if you you know, you put a swastika on

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Speaker 1: a tesla, and that's another another matter.

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Speaker 4: Or you can just be in the proximity. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this happened to some people. You can be in the

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Speaker 4: proximity of what became a violent riot at the capitol

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Speaker 4: and you can be you know, back on the lawn

1265
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Speaker 4: and end up having your house rated whatever. Like there

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Speaker 4: were crazy cases where the Biden FBI was weaponizing the

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Speaker 4: domestic terrorism thing and this is this isn't the capital,

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Speaker 4: this is f tesla and like weird Antifa mouth breathers

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Speaker 4: trying to start fires at Tesla showrooms.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, one last update on this particular story is

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01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: to keep us all up to date with you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a possibility the administration is held in contempt of

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Speaker 1: court here because the judge is increasingly pissed off. The

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Speaker 1: New York Times says administration's details on deportation flights quote

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Speaker 1: woefully insufficient. According to this Judge Bosberg, in an angry order,

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Speaker 1: he told the Trump administration explain why he should not

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Speaker 1: find that officials had violated his instructions for the flights

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Speaker 1: to return to the United States. And this is this

1279
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: whole you know, flap over. Judge says from the bench,

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Speaker 1: you have to you have to turn even if you

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Speaker 1: have to turn the planes around, like you cannot deport

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Speaker 1: these people. The planes, two of which were already in

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Speaker 1: the air, are not turned around, one of which was

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Speaker 1: on the ground. Administration is claiming the one on the ground,

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Speaker 1: the deportees there were pursuant to some other immigration authority,

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Speaker 1: not the Alien Enemies Act. We don't really know if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, but that's what they're claiming. They're also

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Speaker 1: claiming that because it was a verbal order not a

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: written order that it like really didn't count. And then

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Speaker 1: they've completely stonewalled on just even the basic details of

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Speaker 1: these flights, even though like the flight tracker info is public.

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Speaker 1: We know exactly when they took off, where were they

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Speaker 1: at these different times when the judge issued the initial

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Speaker 1: ruling from the bench, when he issued the you know,

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Speaker 1: written ruling ultimately, so they're they're stonewalling on sort of

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Speaker 1: giving any information, and we're considering invoking state secrets doctrine

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Speaker 1: to keep this information confidential, even though they'd never even

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Speaker 1: indicated that any of this was classified. And they were

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Speaker 1: also out there, like you know, publishing videos and celebrating

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Speaker 1: videos with a lot of the details of what happened here.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where we are. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this is the highest profile instance of Trump administration, you know,

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Speaker 1: defiance and testing of the court system and fits a

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Speaker 1: broader pattern. And you know, obviously they're calling for this

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Speaker 1: guy to be impeached and all of that sort of

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Speaker 1: stuff too.

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Speaker 4: Well. And one interesting thing here is they and this

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Speaker 4: is sort of me a full circle with what we

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Speaker 4: were talking about with Elon at the very beginning, and

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Speaker 4: how the there's almost like some you can detect perhaps

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Speaker 4: a modicum of shame in the Pentagon pushing back on

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Speaker 4: this idea that Elon was just getting this special China briefing.

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Speaker 4: There's there's almost a little bit of that when you

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Speaker 4: see that Trump is still claiming they didn't defy the

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Speaker 4: judge's orders because of the verbal versus written distinction, and

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Speaker 4: there's legally like there's it's not an entirely illegitimate case.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know, Ryan, I think I do find

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Speaker 4: it also interesting that Trump goes on Laura Angram this

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Speaker 4: week and says we won't defy the judges orders, and

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Speaker 4: the administration is still insisting that they didn't fly out

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Speaker 4: the order, but that they had the right to do

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Speaker 4: that what they did versus based on the verbal versus

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Speaker 4: written thing. I don't know if that reminds you of

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Speaker 4: the Elon stuff, but that's sort of where it takes me.

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Speaker 1: To let me go ahead. And as a last thing here,

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Speaker 1: why don't we pull up the some of the sound

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Speaker 1: from the rallies last night at with AOC and Bernie

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Speaker 1: and you know, they sort of joined forces and did

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Speaker 1: a series of rallies out west in Vegas and one

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Speaker 1: maybe in Arizona. I don't know, Ryan, maybe you know

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Speaker 1: all the details of where the rallies were, but you know,

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Speaker 1: quite a lot of energy on the ground. And I

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Speaker 1: think AOC really kind of finding her voice here on

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Speaker 1: the Fight Oligarchy tour. You just go ahead and play

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Speaker 1: a little bit of what she had to say here

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Speaker 1: so we can take a listen to her speech.

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Speaker 7: You know Fox News and the right wing, Well, have

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Speaker 7: you believe that these American values are something out of

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Speaker 7: the Communist manifesto, that we believe these things because we

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Speaker 7: went to college and read them in a book somewhere. Well,

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Speaker 7: let me tell you, Fox News, I don't believe these things.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe in healthcare, labor, and human dignity because

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Speaker 7: I'm a Marxist. I believe it because I was a waitress,

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Speaker 7: I screwed up toilets with my mom to go to school,

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Speaker 7: because I've worked double shifts to keep the lights on,

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Speaker 7: and because on my worst day, I know what it

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Speaker 7: feels like to feel left behind.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan, what did you think of a AOC's performance

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Speaker 1: here and sort of the role that she's occupying. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about like, oh, who's Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders gonna sort of put his hands on is this

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Speaker 1: is the next Bernie and this is who he's leaving

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Speaker 1: his legacy to. I mean, it seems pretty clear that

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Speaker 1: person is AOC, right yeah, and if she.

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Speaker 3: It's the mantle's there for her to take it if

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Speaker 3: she wants. And you heard her there leaning you know,

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Speaker 3: much more into the class argument than she has, you know, recently,

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Speaker 3: and the you know, the advantage that she has is

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Speaker 3: that the right kind of loves to make fun of

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Speaker 3: her for being a waitress.

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Speaker 1: Alena Haba just did that recently, I think, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, they fall into that trap constantly, so they

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Speaker 3: are constantly reinforcing her own message for her by being

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Speaker 3: class knobs themselves.

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Speaker 2: So you know, she has it.

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Speaker 3: She has an opportunity to do that if if she

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Speaker 3: cannot get too tangled up and some of the Democrats

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Speaker 3: less popular cultural stuff.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Emily, Well, I think we should

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Speaker 4: get the man who wrote the book The squad.

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Speaker 1: On sometimes to talk about and we should to dig

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 4: But no, this is also really powerful right now for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a huge gift for Democrats that the

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Speaker 4: populist Trump administration is stocked with billionaires that are not

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01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 4: you know, Trump is singular in the respect that he

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Speaker 4: can get away with the sort of blue collar billionaire

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 4: thing for whatever reason. We could get into that. But

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk cannot. How are lutin It cannot. Scott Besant cannot,

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Speaker 4: They don't. They're not the same.

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Speaker 1: And Besen is a mere five hundred millionaire. Emily Way

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Speaker 1: don't want you to.

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Speaker 4: You know, truly like he's surrounding himself with plutocrats and

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Speaker 4: some of whom many of whom are actual billionaires. And

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Speaker 4: so it's a different this is a different version of

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Speaker 4: Trump populism, and that's very obvious. And so as Democrats

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Speaker 4: look to rebuild, they have this incredible gift right in

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Speaker 4: front of them that the Alyssa slotkins uh and Gavin

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Speaker 4: Newsom's of the world are not probably not going to

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Speaker 4: be able to capitalize on. So it's kind of an

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Speaker 4: odd way a huge moment for the populist left because

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Speaker 4: they're the best positioned to help Democrats regain power in

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Speaker 4: this moment where the Trump administration is what was I

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Speaker 4: mean bringing working class voters into the Republican Party at

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 4: a pretty steady clip in ways that Democrats never envisioned

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Speaker 4: Trump would be able to do or that Republicans would

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Speaker 4: be able to do, and so here you have an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to capitalize on that, and the culture stuff was

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Speaker 4: going to get interesting. The sort of dance as to

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Speaker 4: how Democrats handle that and how AOC and Bernie handled

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Speaker 4: that going forward will be interesting. But it's a gift.

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Speaker 4: This is a real moment for Democrats and it's you know,

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Speaker 4: does Chuck Schumer allow the IOCs that like, maybe he

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Speaker 4: won't have a choice if they keep doing rallies like this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you had I think, what was a Michael

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: Bennett that came out yesterday and was like Schumer needs

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Speaker 1: to go. I mean, you've got some like like real

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: centrists who were like, we're done with this. And it's

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Speaker 1: emblematic of the fact that the liberal base revolt. It's

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Speaker 1: really not ideological. They want to see people fight, and

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: the people by and large who are fighting right now

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01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 1: are the populace left. I mean, Bernie and AOC really

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Speaker 1: are kind of leading the charge here and charting the

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Speaker 1: path forward. You know, Bernie starts this tour and now

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Speaker 1: you've got a bunch of other Democrats who are sort

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: of following saying, yes, this is a good idea, let's

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Speaker 1: go out and do these town halls. Tim Walls is

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Speaker 1: making a lot of noise out there too, and I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, establishing himself as a potential player for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight as well. And so they really have charted

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Speaker 1: the And you do have because of the nature of

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Speaker 1: Elon and Zuckerberg and Bezos and Lutnik and all the

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Speaker 1: cast of characters of the you know, the billionaire oligarchs

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Speaker 1: that are circling the Trump administration and running the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: you do also have this organic like class reaction against that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm sure you guys probably saw

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Speaker 1: the town hall, some Republican town hall, Mike Flood maybe

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Speaker 1: that's his name. I don't remember. Anyway, the people who

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Speaker 1: were there, the you know who were there to confront him,

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Speaker 1: they start organically chanting tax the rich. So even though

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Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of ideology in the sort of

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Speaker 1: like liberal based fight, because they're being polarized against Elon,

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Speaker 1: there is a class to mention that is organically developing

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Speaker 1: that is different than the resistance that you saw against

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Speaker 1: Trump that was about like Russia and these other things

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Speaker 1: back in the twenty seventeen twenty eighteen era of this.

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Speaker 1: And then also what's different is the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: disgusted with Democratic leadership, and they're disgusted with people like Gavinusom,

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Speaker 1: who is there saying like, let's you have Charlie kirk

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Speaker 1: On and hang out with him and Steve Bannon and

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01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: they're really interesting and I'm so impressed with them, etc.

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01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: You know, there is a real like disgust with that

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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: approach that was not there in the past. This is

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: the first time that Democrats have said, no, you need

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: to come up the works. You need to I'm talking

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01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: about the base. You need to not work with Trump

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Speaker 1: or the Republicans at all. Even though it felt like

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Speaker 1: there was a very strong resistance last time, actually polling wise,

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Speaker 1: you still had a super majority of Democrats who were like,

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Speaker 1: try to work with the Republicans to get things done.

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: And so it is a very different energy here. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I was an AOC. I was an

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: AOC skeptic of her being able to, you know, really

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Speaker 1: hold her own on a national stage because of all

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Speaker 1: the way that she leaned into, you know, the language

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Speaker 1: and the identity politics and whatever. But I'm becoming more

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Speaker 1: of a believer the more that I see her out

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Speaker 1: there and the more that she is meeting this moment

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Speaker 1: and this speech Ryan to me was a real case

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Speaker 1: in point, Like she she really kind of nailed it

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Speaker 1: in terms of the language that approach, the argument that

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Speaker 1: she made, and the way she positioned herself in that

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Speaker 1: narrative as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, more of that. I think there's nobody else really.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that you know, Rocanna would love to pick

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Speaker 3: up that man, and I'm sure Privilege I Paul would

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 3: love to pick up that mantle for various reasons. You know,

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Speaker 3: you know, she has the pole position there. You know,

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Speaker 3: she she's suffered. You know, it's you know, a blow

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Speaker 3: on the left over the last you know, several years.

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Speaker 3: But I don't I don't think she I don't think

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Speaker 3: it means she couldn't recover the position, and particularly if

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Speaker 3: she's consistently out there with Bernie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's right. And if she's just consistently

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Speaker 1: out there, I mean that thing too, is she like

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01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: she understands you know, she and Bernie did an interview

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Speaker 1: with us on Piker yesterday before their events. She's constantly

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Speaker 1: on Instagram lives and on Twitter, and isn't afraid of controversy,

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01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: isn't afraid of Republicans coming after her because she's been

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: through that fire at this point a million times. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think under like understanding the actual media

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Speaker 1: landscape is a very rare quality within the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: Emily at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. And again, like most of the

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01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 4: energy right now that can be capitalized on, it's not

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Speaker 4: going to be capitalized on by Alyssa Slotkin and Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 4: It's so abundantly clear. And the only thing I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Say, it's not abundantly clear to them apparently, but to

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Speaker 1: everybody else that is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But this is where, this is where the Trump

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Speaker 4: example is relevant, and that Trump gave Republicans no choice.

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 4: He left them with no choice. He was so popular

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01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 4: in the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen primary that they had

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 4: zero choice but to end up going along with him.

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Speaker 4: And then when they tried to thwart him, they still

1496
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 4: ended up having to go along with Trump. They couldn't

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01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 4: run to Santus. He just steam rolls it. And that's

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not saying there's any like direct parallel.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of populism, that's what Bernie and AOC

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 4: have to do. For Democrats. They have to give them

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 4: no choice but to side with populace. And it does

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Speaker 4: it mean that they won't be thwarted by the truck

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01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 4: Shoomers and whomever if they ascend to power. But they

1504
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 4: have to show that that is what the voters want.

1505
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 4: And so the rallies are in the tour and going

1506
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 4: on Hassan with the kind of setup of the rally

1507
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 4: behind you very Trumpian. It sends the message that this

1508
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 4: is your option. It is not going to be abundance,

1509
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 4: it is going to be populism.

1510
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: How dare you mentioned that word? That could pick off

1511
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: another three hour conversation.

1512
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 4: We had.

1513
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: We had Derek on well, you guys interviewed Azra, right,

1514
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: you actually should get Azra back. You guys should do

1515
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: a thing with him. I mean I talked to to Derek.

1516
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: I think you guys had have a great conversation with

1517
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: Azra that could be really interesting. In any case, anything else, guys,

1518
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: before we before we.

1519
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 3: Wrap it up here, you n just announced that Gaza

1520
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: has six days of flower left, which ye that that

1521
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 3: means that in a lot of places there's zero left. Yeah,

1522
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 3: people living on just nothing but bread like that. Even

1523
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: that's going to be gone soon. So that's it's bleak, very.

1524
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: Bleak, extremely bleak, Emily, anything else on your on your radar?

1525
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: So to speak?

1526
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 2: Did you see their Rising doesn't do radars anymore?

1527
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: Do they not?

1528
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: Memos?

1529
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

1530
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: Really?

1531
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 2: I think I think it was memo?

1532
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 3: Is that right, Emily?

1533
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 4: I forget, but you're right.

1534
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: It was different notebook or something. Anyway, it was, Yeah,

1535
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: it was something like that.

1536
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 4: But it's basically a radar.

1537
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: You know, give up on radars, come on.

1538
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't remember how, but yeah

1539
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: I did. And Rising was my name too. Really, Yeah,

1540
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: it's a great name. It's a really good name. Like

1541
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic morning show name. I have to say.

1542
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1543
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: So I'm glad they're sticking with the Rising name.

1544
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 4: I guess.

1545
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was always weird, very weird. Now

1546
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: it's I mean, this was so long ago at this

1547
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: point that we were doing Rising. We would doing breaking

1548
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: points far longer than we ever did Rising. But it

1549
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: was weird at first to see other people be like,

1550
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: what's on your radars? Like that's our lot. What are

1551
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: you doing? So I'm fine to see them move on

1552
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: to their own terminology and you know, do their own thing.

1553
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: That's perfectly fine.

1554
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 2: At this point you can start doing radars again.

1555
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, I guess.

1556
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 4: So what's on your radar today? That's kind of like

1557
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,799
Speaker 4: that would be we'd like twenty nineteen.

1558
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of memories

1559
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: associated with that moment. That was back when I thought,

1560
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, Bernie might actually win. So there's a lot

1561
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: of pain, a lot of pain involved in that period.

1562
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: All right, guys, fun as always. Great to talk to

1563
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: you both. Hope you have a great weekend. I'm gonna

1564
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: be off next week because my kids have spring break

1565
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: and so Ryan is going to be in for me.

1566
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: Enjoy Ryan. I'm gonna have a hard time. I'm not

1567
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: going to separate from the news. I already know. I

1568
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 1: just can't. Like I feel like if you miss a

1569
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 1: week of news, you're gonna have no idea what's going on.

1570
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna miss like eighty five really important consequential things.

1571
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'll be Yeah.

1572
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 4: I expect the dm UH, the dm stream to be

1573
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 4: fairly study.

1574
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: It will be it will be, and I'm my plan

1575
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: is all just in lieu of doing the show. I'll

1576
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: just like do more tiktoks as kind of what I'm

1577
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: thinking to do. So in any case, Ryan, thank you

1578
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: for filling in. Ellen. Great to see you. Have a

1579
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: great weekend guys, and I will see you upon return.

1580
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: That good