WEBVTT - Twas the Night Before Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some sure signs that the holidays have arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>The lights go up on main street of the town

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<v Speaker 2>where I live. People pull their coats a little tighter

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<v Speaker 2>around them as they go from shop to shop, and

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<v Speaker 2>my colleague, then the daf Haffrey, shows up to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me some absolutely crazy story about Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Twas the Night before Christmas. He and God and all

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<v Speaker 3>through the house not a creature was stirring, not even

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<v Speaker 3>a mouse. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>This, of course, is a visit from Saint Nicholas, more

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<v Speaker 2>commonly known as Twas the Night before Christmas, a poem

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<v Speaker 2>that Ben has let's just say, learned a little too

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<v Speaker 2>much about over the past few months.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you read the Stuart Little version of this, where,

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<v Speaker 3>to save Stuart's feelings, the Littles rewrite it as not

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<v Speaker 3>even a Laus, because I don't want it. This too

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<v Speaker 3>demeaning to my His poem's everywhere. It's in Stuart Little.

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<v Speaker 3>It's die hard presidents read this poem. The stockings were

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<v Speaker 3>hung by the chimney with care, in hopes the Saint

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<v Speaker 3>Nicholas soon would be there. The children were nestled all

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<v Speaker 3>snug in their beds, while visions of sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar pumps danced in their heads.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on her kerchief and I in my cap had

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<v Speaker 3>just settled our brains. Very weird choice of words there

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<v Speaker 3>for a long winters.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this went on for.

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<v Speaker 3>What quick I knew in a moment it must be nick.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is this is the poem that creates, it

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<v Speaker 3>fully launches the modern Santa Claus. It's his, it's the

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<v Speaker 3>first time the reindeers are named. It's the first time

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<v Speaker 3>he gets eight and not one. And it's it. It

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<v Speaker 3>is the blueprint for American Christmas. Very everyone thinks Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>is this ancient thing. There's no ever since that Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>Christ was born on December twenty fifth. The whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>is this invented tradition, and it is this poem that

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<v Speaker 3>gives us the modern American Christmas. Written by Clement Clark

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<v Speaker 3>Moore in eighteen twenty two, published in Upstate New York

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<v Speaker 3>and The Troy Sentinel in eighteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Until you mentioned this to me, hadn't fully understood how

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary this accomplishment of this poem is. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>like Christmas, I could guests.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've established this in prior versions of our Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode, I can get halfway through that from memory. I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect that an insanely high percentage of Americans can get

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<v Speaker 2>a significant way into this poem from memory.

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<v Speaker 3>I would stake my life on the fact that more

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<v Speaker 3>people this is the only poem that most people know totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree total, And I was going to say that an

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly higher percentage of people of Americas not only know

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<v Speaker 2>this poem from memory, but no other poems at this

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<v Speaker 2>length from memory absolutely yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, but the first thing people would have read

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<v Speaker 3>of the Night Before Christmas is not even the poem.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, it begins it is introduced by an editor's

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<v Speaker 3>note that starts with the line we know not to

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<v Speaker 3>whom we are indebted for the following description of that

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<v Speaker 3>unwearied patron of children dot dot Santa Claus. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>starts by acknowledging that they don't know who wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it begins with an authorship mystery, and the authorship

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<v Speaker 2>mystery persists.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so I propose to end it here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things

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<v Speaker 2>overlooked and misunderstood. I'm Malcolm Gladwell. Today we bring you

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<v Speaker 2>our annual holiday spectacular, which this year is not about

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<v Speaker 2>sugar plums, but about a historic theft, a literary crime

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<v Speaker 2>that begins with a bold accusation. For nearly two hundred years,

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<v Speaker 2>have we your TRIPU did this immensely famous poem to

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong person? My colleague bend Adaf Haffrey has a story. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>one last thing. If you're listening with young children familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with Santa Claus, this episode might challenge their sense of reality,

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<v Speaker 2>Proceed with caution.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometime in the late nineteen nineties, a woman named Mary

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<v Speaker 3>van Dusen logged onto the Internet. She was looking up

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<v Speaker 3>her great great great great great grandfather, Major Henry Livingston junior.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, seven generations back, and while browsing the World

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<v Speaker 3>Wide Web, she came across a piece of information that

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<v Speaker 3>changed the course of her life.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the pages that came up was just a

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<v Speaker 4>very short little page, but it said two things. It

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<v Speaker 4>said that Henry Livingston was a possible author of Night

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<v Speaker 4>before Christmas, and it said that he had named his

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<v Speaker 4>reindeer for the horses in his stable. Who would believe it?

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<v Speaker 3>Henry Livingston Junior was a gentleman farmer and poet from

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<v Speaker 3>a prominent early American family. He was reputed to be

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<v Speaker 3>a great lover of Christmas, and, crucially for our purposes today,

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<v Speaker 3>not Clement Clark Moore, the person who had claimed authorship

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<v Speaker 3>of the poem not long after its publication, and who

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<v Speaker 3>for almost two centuries the general public has believed wrote it.

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<v Speaker 3>So to Marry and others in her family, it seemed

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<v Speaker 3>he was also the victim of a historic injustice. Just

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<v Speaker 3>a couple decades after a visit from Saint Nicholas, the

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<v Speaker 3>poem was published, his granddaughter came across a best selling

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<v Speaker 3>holiday edition and saw the author's name clearly printed, Clement

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<v Speaker 3>Clark Moore, at which point she brought it in a

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<v Speaker 3>hurry to her mother, Henry's daughter in law, who said,

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<v Speaker 3>someone has made a mistake. Clement Moore did not write

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<v Speaker 3>the night before Christmas. Your grandfather, Henry Livingston wrote it.

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<v Speaker 4>They saw a wrong that needed to be writed.

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<v Speaker 3>So then you start looking at this right now. Henry

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<v Speaker 3>had never claimed authorship himself, but he died in eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eight, so no one could ask him about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the family remembered it as Henry's poem, and they

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<v Speaker 3>took it upon themselves to do the research to prove

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<v Speaker 3>it to the world, and so began the Great Livingston Quest.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Montague's and Cabulot's Hatfield and McCoy's Christmas Edition.

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<v Speaker 4>The first person took it up were the children of Catherine,

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<v Speaker 4>my fourth grade grandmother, so I was always pleased about that.

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<v Speaker 3>At the beginning, all the family had was recollection relatives

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<v Speaker 3>who said that Henry Livingston Junior had read the poem

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<v Speaker 3>aloud to them when they were kids, but they needed

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<v Speaker 3>to establish a record. The gold standard would be a

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<v Speaker 3>copy of the poem written in Henry's hand.

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<v Speaker 4>Decided they would collect as many pieces of paper as

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<v Speaker 4>they could, and this is really a godsend because they

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<v Speaker 4>were able to contact two of Henry's children before they died.

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<v Speaker 3>They heard that someone had gotten a copy of the

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<v Speaker 3>poem that had Henry's handwriting on it, and do we

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<v Speaker 3>have it today or no.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't because they're living on the frontier and the

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<v Speaker 4>original burned in one of the house fires.

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<v Speaker 3>But the livingstones didn't quit. When we talked, Mary walked

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<v Speaker 3>me through the generations of people who've taken up the quest.

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<v Speaker 4>Since The next search for proof of Henry's authorship is

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<v Speaker 4>from Henry Livingstone, a babylon Long Island.

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<v Speaker 3>I began to understand that this search was a kind

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<v Speaker 3>of Livingstonian rite of passage, something handed from generation to

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<v Speaker 3>generation like a precious gemstone, or like a feudal title,

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<v Speaker 3>a matter of destiny.

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<v Speaker 4>Having your name in your birth announcement as having to

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<v Speaker 4>research night before Christmas puts burden on your shoulders that

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<v Speaker 4>is very heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>After all, this is an eminent family. The genealogical tree

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<v Speaker 3>Mary has put together includes George H. W. Bush W

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<v Speaker 3>and Jeb as well as a congressman and a mayor

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<v Speaker 3>of New York. Eleanor Roosevelt was also in the mix somehow.

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<v Speaker 3>But alongside the campaigns and inaugurations, there is a single

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<v Speaker 3>golden thread, the authorship question. And I think part of

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<v Speaker 3>that fixation must have had to do with what poetry

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<v Speaker 3>meant at the time. Malcolm and I talked about that

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<v Speaker 3>over a glass of agnog at the annual Revision's History

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<v Speaker 3>Holiday party.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that interests me it is a

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<v Speaker 2>poem created in a very specific moment in time, the

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<v Speaker 2>early nineteenth century, and because poetry plays a role in

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<v Speaker 2>public life in back then in a way that it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, some newspapers are the mass the mass medium, right,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not television, radio, recorded sound doesn't exist. So you

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<v Speaker 3>have poems all over the place in newspapers and they

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<v Speaker 3>are there.

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<v Speaker 1>They are off, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Can be satirical, they can be funny. They're these very concise,

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<v Speaker 3>pithy ways of expressing popular sentiments. And the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>are really gonna give you a good example, yeah, please.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom grew up in Jamaica during the Second World War,

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<v Speaker 2>has all these hilarious poems written about the Second World

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<v Speaker 2>War from a Jamaican perspective. My favorite this one might

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<v Speaker 2>be an it might be an English one. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are all these Americans come over in our station

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<v Speaker 2>in England before the D Day. So she would as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, my mom would recite this one, the gum

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<v Speaker 2>chewing ink and the cut chewing cow, very alike. The

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<v Speaker 2>difference somehow, what is the difference? I've got it now,

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<v Speaker 2>the intelligent look on the face of the cow. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's to the point, right right that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these what but the users trying to navigate is the

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<v Speaker 2>indignity of this huge country of what people they consider

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<v Speaker 2>to be their inferiors, uncultured coming and saving their bacon. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's humiliating, and how do they make sense of that humiliation?

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<v Speaker 1>To these poems?

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<v Speaker 2>Poems are doing all this.

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<v Speaker 3>Work very much like I'm almost like a meme today

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<v Speaker 3>where it's like you see a thing and you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>that gets it, that somehow ineffably puts its finger right

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<v Speaker 3>on the pulse. Yeah, And the pulse this poem had

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<v Speaker 3>its finger on was that there was a crisis of Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>At the very moment of its publication.

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<v Speaker 5>Before the visit trend from Saint Nick, Christmas was celebrated

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<v Speaker 5>in a very different way.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Nissenbaum, author of the Pulitzer Prize, shortlisted the Battle

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<v Speaker 3>for Christmas in his book. He argues that Christmas was

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<v Speaker 3>always about these social inversions. So lower class people would

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<v Speaker 3>live like kings for the best food, the best ale presents,

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<v Speaker 3>provided they were peasants from then on. But those traditions

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<v Speaker 3>were better suited to grand old country estates where everyone

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<v Speaker 3>knew each other and kind of accepted where they fit

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<v Speaker 3>in the pecking order. That was not the case in

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<v Speaker 3>modern American democratic cities.

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<v Speaker 5>It was commonly celebrated as what I would call something

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<v Speaker 5>of a cross between Halloween and New Year's Eve because

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<v Speaker 5>of what amount to trick or treat. Bands of young men,

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<v Speaker 5>most of them pour from the working classes, went roving

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<v Speaker 5>around town. They'd stop at the more prosperous homes where

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<v Speaker 5>they'd ask for food and alcohol. But if they didn't

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<v Speaker 5>get what they wanted, they would ostentatiously withhold that goodwill,

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<v Speaker 5>or they might even threaten to do some small damage.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas was getting out of control, and so a group

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<v Speaker 3>of elite New Yorkers took the matter in hand.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking about a small group of people who call

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<v Speaker 5>themselves Knickerbackers, after the Dutch origins of the city. But

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<v Speaker 5>this was a kind of identity that they tried on

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<v Speaker 5>to create again a sense of the good old days

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<v Speaker 5>of New York when the classes did get along and

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<v Speaker 5>the meshing worked very well.

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<v Speaker 3>The Knickerbockers were a conservative organization trying to invent new

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<v Speaker 3>American traditions and also great names for basketball teams go NIXX,

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<v Speaker 3>and they found a figurehead for their new version of

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas in Saint Nicholas of Myra, patron Saint of merchants, bakers, brides,

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<v Speaker 3>the falsely accused.

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<v Speaker 1>And children.

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<v Speaker 3>In the eighteen twenties, the lines between Saint Nicholas and

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of scary figure of Santa Claus, a mythological

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<v Speaker 3>gift giver, began to blur. But how were the Knickerbockers

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<v Speaker 3>going to unleash this new invention upon the huddled masses.

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<v Speaker 3>The answer came in eighteen twenty three with the poem

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<v Speaker 3>we've been talking about in this episode, five hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>forty two words about a guy named Saint Nicholas terrifying

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<v Speaker 3>a well to do father by showing up in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the night and instead of demanding the best

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<v Speaker 3>grog in the house, leaving a bunch of presents, exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of poem Clement Clark Moore, an eminent New

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<v Speaker 3>Yorker and friend of the Knickerbockers, would write at precisely

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<v Speaker 3>that moment. Moore was a Bible scholar. He lived on

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<v Speaker 3>an estate in Manhattan called Chelsea, which later did in

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<v Speaker 3>fact become the neighborhood of Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 5>The New Christmas that Clement Clark Moore was promulgating continued,

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<v Speaker 5>in a very innocent way, the old social inversion, but

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<v Speaker 5>in this case it wasn't the rich changing places with

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<v Speaker 5>the poor. It was the grown ups changing places with

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<v Speaker 5>the kids. So the children have really replaced the working

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<v Speaker 5>class in the new Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a version of Christmas that worked, and it

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<v Speaker 3>just got bigger. Clement Moore's estate shrank, but his legend

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<v Speaker 3>and the legend of his poem grew until the Livingstons

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<v Speaker 3>caught wind of it. The problem was that, despite all

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<v Speaker 3>their efforts, no Livingstone had been able to turn up

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<v Speaker 3>any conclusive, historical or documentary evidence proving beyond a reasonable

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<v Speaker 3>doubt that Henry Livingston Junior had written the poem. But

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<v Speaker 3>what if there was another approach? An ancestor of Mary

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<v Speaker 3>van Dusen's hit upon this idea in a letter from

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen twenties. She had been interviewed for an article

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<v Speaker 3>in the Christian Science Monitor on the authorship question, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the first times this claim that Henry Livingston Junior

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<v Speaker 3>had written the poem went national. This, it turned out,

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of a jarring experience for her, so she

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<v Speaker 3>wrote to her cousin William, who'd set the whole thing up.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>I am writing from my bed. I could not sleep

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<v Speaker 3>last night, and thinking over our conversation, I got drawn

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<v Speaker 3>into this cross examination, which was quite inquisitorial in its nature.

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<v Speaker 3>For the problematical authorship of that poem. It is a

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<v Speaker 3>very delicate question to handle, and I am not at

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<v Speaker 3>all in favor of a writer for a Christian science

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<v Speaker 3>paper handling it. It ought to be touched on, very delicately,

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<v Speaker 3>and by some man of eminent literary attainments. Wait till

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<v Speaker 3>you find the fit man to do it. We relatives

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<v Speaker 3>would only have dirt thrown at us by press and people,

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<v Speaker 3>for see Moore is a demigod almost in their eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost a century has this fetish been adored. And I

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<v Speaker 3>will not have myself or my family mixed up in it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is too delicate a subject to be dragged and

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<v Speaker 3>raked about except with great tact and reverence. Wait till

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<v Speaker 3>you get someone of high literary merit to write about

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<v Speaker 3>the authorship. Do not make this any but a first

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<v Speaker 3>class writer. End quote. Without documentary proof, the Livingstones needed

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<v Speaker 3>to make a stylistic argument that this poem sounded like

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<v Speaker 3>Livingstin and not like more and only someone of literary

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<v Speaker 3>attainments could really land it. The Living Stones would wait

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<v Speaker 3>nearly eighty years until Mary van Dusen came across that website,

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<v Speaker 3>took up the family quest and found such a scholar.

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<v Speaker 4>At last, I figured I needed a poetry expert, so

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<v Speaker 4>I went to the internet and I looked at a

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<v Speaker 4>archive poetry. I saw Ian Lancashire as the expert of

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<v Speaker 4>the website and sent to email and I said, I

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<v Speaker 4>have this problem.

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<v Speaker 5>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, you find Don.

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<v Speaker 3>When we're back. Don the man ab eminent literary attainments

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<v Speaker 3>and the very best thing the Livingstons could ever hope

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<v Speaker 3>to find in their stockings. It's the week before Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 3>the year two thousand. A group of people file into

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<v Speaker 3>a bookstore in Washington, d C. To have their very

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<v Speaker 3>sense of reality challenged. The event aired on c SPAN.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks is great to be with you this evening.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Don Foster. At the time, he was an

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<v Speaker 3>English professor at Vassar. He's straight out of Central Casting

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<v Speaker 3>Laser khakis, tie handsome in a dead poet's Society kind

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<v Speaker 3>of way. When he makes a particularly devilish point, he

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<v Speaker 3>shrugs his shoulders almost imperceptibly as his eyes wander to

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<v Speaker 3>the corner of his great big glasses, as if to say,

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<v Speaker 3>do I dare to eat a peach. Do I dare

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<v Speaker 3>disturb the universe?

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<v Speaker 5>I do.

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<v Speaker 6>My office is what you would expect in English professor's

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<v Speaker 6>office to be piled high with student papers and with

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<v Speaker 6>writings I have studied by poets and play rights. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>still unknown, but intermixed with the literary text are others

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<v Speaker 6>by Felon Zealotz or Nameless resent Nix, whose identity your

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<v Speaker 6>actions were of sufficient interest for someone to ask who

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<v Speaker 6>wrote this thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Professor Foster made his name arguing that an anonymously published

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<v Speaker 3>poem called a Funeral Elegy was actually written by William Shakespeare.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd used modern computer analysis to argue it so forcefully

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<v Speaker 3>that anthologies were updated and the press took note. Foster's

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<v Speaker 3>phone began to.

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<v Speaker 6>Ring, Professor, do you know that you're going to be

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<v Speaker 6>on the front page of the New York Times tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, well, Professor, a star was born.

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<v Speaker 3>Foster practiced a kind of forensics called literary attribution. The

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<v Speaker 3>premise was that each of us has a style, a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of fingerprint in the way we write that, if revealed,

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<v Speaker 3>would prove conclusively that we wrote something. Dusting for that

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<v Speaker 3>fingerprint relied on two key methodologies. First, computer analysis, where

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<v Speaker 3>statistic patterns could be detected in an author's work, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like large language models. Now a second, an investigator

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<v Speaker 3>would marshal their own powers of close reading. For instance,

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<v Speaker 3>just weeks after the Shakespeare story blew Up, Foster was

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<v Speaker 3>asked to identify the anonymous author of a dish novel

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<v Speaker 3>called Primary Colors, a thinly veiled account of the Clinton campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>Foster had a list of suspects. He fed samples of

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<v Speaker 3>their writing into his computer and began to look closely

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<v Speaker 3>at how the book was written. The anonymous writer showed

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<v Speaker 3>a preference for adverbs with l y endings like vaguely.

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<v Speaker 3>He used dashes to make compound words like triple back

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<v Speaker 3>over somersault and pander pirouette.

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<v Speaker 1>He liked zany adjectives.

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<v Speaker 3>His pros thought Foster revealed certain racial ideas, and all

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<v Speaker 3>those signs pointed clearly to the journalist Joe Klein. Foster

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<v Speaker 3>nailed it. Klin eventually fessed up, and this was when

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<v Speaker 3>things started to get weird for the professor.

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<v Speaker 6>And at that point prosecutors and defenders and police and

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<v Speaker 6>other investigators saw in my work application that I had

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<v Speaker 6>not really thought of myself questioned. Documents in criminal cases

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<v Speaker 6>and other kinds of anonymous libels Harris mensa were suddenly

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<v Speaker 6>being sent to me and saying, can you figure out

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<v Speaker 6>who wrote this?

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<v Speaker 3>Soon Foster was teaching my day and by night working

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<v Speaker 3>the Unibomber case, the John Benet Ramsay case, the Anthrax case,

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<v Speaker 3>and few major news items of the late nineteen nineties

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<v Speaker 3>were beyond the literary forensics.

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<v Speaker 6>Single was Don Foster a report at Monica Lewinsky wrote

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<v Speaker 6>the three page document.

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<v Speaker 1>So I now go back and ask the question, did

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<v Speaker 1>she really?

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<v Speaker 3>The crowd in the bookstore is wrapped around his finger,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's when he starts talking about Mary van Dusen,

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<v Speaker 3>the great great great great great granddaughter of Major Henry

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<v Speaker 3>Livingston junior.

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<v Speaker 6>I got a phone call in August of nineteen I

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<v Speaker 6>twenty nine from a woman who said that she thought

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<v Speaker 6>that her ancestor wrote The Night before Christmas, not Clement

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<v Speaker 6>Clark Moore.

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<v Speaker 3>Mary and Don teamed up. She traveled the country searching

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<v Speaker 3>for proof every version of the Night before Christmas that

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<v Speaker 3>was ever written. She made a corpus of Henry's work.

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<v Speaker 3>She got a microfilm machine for her house for her

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<v Speaker 3>house and read every single newspaper she could find from

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen seventy five to eighteen thirty. In order to establish

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<v Speaker 3>a documentary record, she put it all on a website,

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<v Speaker 3>which ran ultimately to over fifteen thousand pages by her account,

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<v Speaker 3>in hopes that Don could do his detective work and

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<v Speaker 3>find an answer, and he did. He began to look

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<v Speaker 3>into questions of style, just like he did with primary colors.

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<v Speaker 3>What sort of adjectives were used, what kind of adverbs,

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<v Speaker 3>what sort of attitudes were expressed? He compared a visit

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<v Speaker 3>from Saint Nicholas to other poems by Moore and Livingstone.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of thousands of words had been written on this subject,

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<v Speaker 3>and we all have all lace to get to. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be selective about what we talk about here.

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<v Speaker 3>But a good example of the case he made is

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<v Speaker 3>the question of anapestic to trameter, an extremely tedious matter that,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, is the only thing Malcolm wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about when I saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be in the graduate seminar with you

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<v Speaker 2>where this poem is taking seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's let's let's uh, let's break down the formal

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<v Speaker 3>qualities of this poem. First, there's the meter, which is

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the crucial thing here. This poem is in

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<v Speaker 3>a extremely popular meter used for light versus satire called

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<v Speaker 3>anipestic to trameter.

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<v Speaker 2>So give it rhythmically, give me lines at show.

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<v Speaker 3>Twas the night before Christmas went all through the house,

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<v Speaker 3>not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. Da

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<v Speaker 3>da dum da da dumba so.

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<v Speaker 2>Dumbda d d.

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<v Speaker 1>Dump.

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<v Speaker 3>And you, as a parent might be familiar with this

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<v Speaker 3>from like all of Doctor SEUs, So like Horton, here's

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<v Speaker 3>a who on the fifteenth of May and the jungle

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<v Speaker 3>of newle and the heat of the day and the

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<v Speaker 3>cool of the pool he was splashing, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of like it trips off the tongue. An

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<v Speaker 3>anipest is aligne. It's two unstressed syllables and a stressed one.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's dadda dumb, dadda dumb. That's like a dadda dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an anipest to trameter tetra from the Latin for four.

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<v Speaker 3>It means there's four of those per line of an

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<v Speaker 3>anipestic to trameter. It's such an infectious meter. It's easier

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<v Speaker 3>to memorize and so it can transmit through word of

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<v Speaker 3>mouth much more easily, which is what happens with this

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<v Speaker 3>this poem as well. In fact, it is it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>so good for the spoken word that the way many

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<v Speaker 3>people probably know it today other than to was the

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<v Speaker 3>night before Christmas is the way I am by eminem

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<v Speaker 3>was the night before Christmas, and all through the house

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it's it just like it hooks you in.

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<v Speaker 3>So Foster alleged that More was way too serious to

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<v Speaker 3>be a big anipestic to Trameter. He says that Moore

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<v Speaker 3>condemned the quote depraved taste in poetry of those who

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<v Speaker 3>read anipestic satire end quote. In essence, Livingstone was way

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<v Speaker 3>more likely to write an anipest than More, not least

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<v Speaker 3>of all because he was just a really fun guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Here's a little sample of Henry Livingston's verse. This is

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<v Speaker 6>why he closes one of his many Christmas and New

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<v Speaker 6>Year's poems, but his time that I bid you goodbye

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<v Speaker 6>till next year by wishing you happiness, peace and good cheer.

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<v Speaker 6>And he has the kind of poem after poem after

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<v Speaker 6>poem in this vein many of them Christmas or New

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<v Speaker 6>Year's poems.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he turns his attention to Clement Clark Moore.

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<v Speaker 6>Clement Clark Moore I thought was pretty Santa Claus kind

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<v Speaker 6>of guy too, But as it turns out, this is

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<v Speaker 6>part of the lore that's arisen after his name was

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<v Speaker 6>associated with the poem.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite the curmudgeon.

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<v Speaker 6>One might even say scrooge, I might even say grinch.

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<v Speaker 6>He writes things like humble the praise and trifling the regard,

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<v Speaker 6>whichever way upon the moral barred. And then he goes

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<v Speaker 6>on to scold women for wearing cosmetics or to unchastised

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<v Speaker 6>children for being too noisy.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite a severe man.

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<v Speaker 3>So, according to Foster, on the one hand, we have

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<v Speaker 3>a good cheer to the ladies kind of guy, and

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<v Speaker 3>then there's the grinch scrooge. You could say maybe Moore

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<v Speaker 3>didn't stand a chance just based on this character assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was more. In his book, Foster compared the

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<v Speaker 3>two men further. Henry Livingston Junior fought for independence, Clement

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<v Speaker 3>Moore was allegedly a slave owner. Livingston was a quote

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<v Speaker 3>friend of the Indians. Moore descended from the guy who

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<v Speaker 3>talked the Mohawks into selling Long Island and stylistically even

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<v Speaker 3>setting aside the slam dunk of the anapestic tetramoner, the

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<v Speaker 3>poem is Livingston all over the use of the adverbial

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<v Speaker 3>all as in the children were nestled, all snug in

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<v Speaker 3>their beds, and then some funny business with the reindeer names.

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<v Speaker 3>It all looked very, very suspicious. Don Foster, the man

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<v Speaker 3>of eminent literary attainments, had apparently solved the mystery. At

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<v Speaker 3>law last, the press went wild.

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<v Speaker 7>Finally tonight, the mystery of a visit from Saint Nicholas.

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<v Speaker 7>It has been a holiday tradition since eighteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 7>But who really wrote the famous poem?

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<v Speaker 3>He was in the New York Times twice. He was

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<v Speaker 3>on network television.

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<v Speaker 7>Don Foster is sort of a literary sleuth. He was

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<v Speaker 7>the one who discovered journalist Joe Klein was the anonymous

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<v Speaker 7>author of the bestseller Primary Colors. He studies the author's

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<v Speaker 7>words and styles, and in this case he says, Henry

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<v Speaker 7>Livingston's literary fingerprints are all over. The night before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Don Foster's argument spread The city of Troy, whose newspaper

0:26:51.116 --> 0:26:54.076
<v Speaker 3>famously first published the poem, hosted as a kind of

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas media event, a mock trial in a real courtroom,

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<v Speaker 3>presided over by a former New York Supreme Court judge

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<v Speaker 3>and argued by actual lawyers on the question of who

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<v Speaker 3>wrote the poem. As the Jerry reached a verdict, Jerry

0:27:06.316 --> 0:27:10.516
<v Speaker 3>and Edgeley decided that the author was Ane for Christmas Is.

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<v Speaker 3>This prompted the Mayor of Troy to issue a proclamation

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<v Speaker 3>quote that December twenty third, twenty fourteen is Henry Livingston

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<v Speaker 3>Junior Day and Troy, New York. Famous musicians have reportedly

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<v Speaker 3>announced on stage that Henry Livingston Junior is the real

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<v Speaker 3>author of the poem. The Freaking Poetry Foundation website has

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<v Speaker 3>a page for Henry Livingston Junior, crediting him as the

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<v Speaker 3>author of the poem. Unambiguously. This is not ubiquitous, but

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<v Speaker 3>through Don Foster, Mary van Duzen, and the Livingstons had

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<v Speaker 3>achieved something her ancestors could only ever have dreamed of.

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<v Speaker 3>And even if people stopped short of denying Moore's authorship everywhere,

0:27:59.756 --> 0:28:04.636
<v Speaker 3>people began to question it. After nearly two centuries of injustice,

0:28:05.316 --> 0:28:08.076
<v Speaker 3>the Livingston family quest was paying.

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<v Speaker 6>Off to myself come around to the view and that

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<v Speaker 6>this whole family legend was right in fact has I

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<v Speaker 6>think finally been vindicated, and Bible professors claimed to this poem,

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<v Speaker 6>I think is not just highly suspect, but waiting to

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<v Speaker 6>see what the opposition might have to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh but the opposition was watching, and they didn't like

0:28:33.596 --> 0:28:48.276
<v Speaker 3>what they saw. A couple of months ago, I visited

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<v Speaker 3>Seth Kaller, a famed dealer of historic documents in White Plains,

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<v Speaker 3>New York. Statues of Abraham Lincoln were strewn about the office.

0:28:56.476 --> 0:28:59.636
<v Speaker 3>Advanced copies of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

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<v Speaker 3>An original Prince of the Constitution hung on the wall

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<v Speaker 3>the Constitution I Have a Dream twas the night before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 8>At the time the controversy erupted because of Don Foster's book,

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<v Speaker 8>I owned what was thought to be the only copy

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<v Speaker 8>in private hands, written by Clemency Moore.

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<v Speaker 3>Caller became embroiled in the authorship.

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<v Speaker 8>Question, and so a New York Times reporter called me

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<v Speaker 8>and asked me about it, And you know, I said,

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't know, let me look into it. And I

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<v Speaker 8>was totally open minded. I mean, if I had been convinced,

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<v Speaker 8>I would have changed my description of it and or

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<v Speaker 8>mentioned the controversy. But the more I got into it,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the more upset I got by the dishonesty

0:29:48.076 --> 0:29:52.436
<v Speaker 8>of the arguments made against Clement Moore. So I kept

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<v Speaker 8>going even after I thought this is sufficient to you know,

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<v Speaker 8>make the case.

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<v Speaker 3>You did send me quite a long document in preparation

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<v Speaker 3>for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I could have sent you a lot more.

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<v Speaker 3>Caller began to go through the claims in Don Foster's book,

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<v Speaker 3>and he soon found that most of them, We're deeply suspicious.

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<v Speaker 3>The comparable phraseology that table confused me. Would you? Would

0:30:14.796 --> 0:30:16.356
<v Speaker 3>you explain the origin of that table?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me find it?

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<v Speaker 3>Caller got out of binder stuffed with papers. Nobody is

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<v Speaker 3>taking this matter lightly. In fact, we spent an entire

0:30:25.956 --> 0:30:29.076
<v Speaker 3>afternoon going through this. Let's stick to the big ticket

0:30:29.116 --> 0:30:33.636
<v Speaker 3>items today first style. More wouldn't write like this, but

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<v Speaker 3>Caller showed me a chart comparing parts of the poem

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<v Speaker 3>with other poems More had written.

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<v Speaker 8>Here's another from another one of his writings, Twas an

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<v Speaker 8>autumnal morn, celestial bright, the all Snug and from something else.

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<v Speaker 8>In The Snug and Tidy Night before Christmas, he talks

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<v Speaker 8>about visions of sugar plums danced in their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the rhymes in Night.

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<v Speaker 8>Before Christmas is a clatter and matter, and in another

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<v Speaker 8>poem is.

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<v Speaker 1>Words, feelings, thought phrases.

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<v Speaker 8>These would all be evidence that More could have written

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<v Speaker 8>the Night Before Christmas, and in fact did write the

0:31:11.756 --> 0:31:15.036
<v Speaker 8>Night Before Christmas, as opposed to you know, just making

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<v Speaker 8>the arguments that he couldn't have because he didn't use

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<v Speaker 8>these for these words.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe Livingston as author can't be proven stylistically, But

0:31:23.476 --> 0:31:26.756
<v Speaker 3>that's not all he and his colleagues found. The historical

0:31:26.876 --> 0:31:29.556
<v Speaker 3>argument about when Henry would have needed to write the

0:31:29.556 --> 0:31:32.076
<v Speaker 3>poem in order to be the author didn't line.

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<v Speaker 8>Up either, But the fact that all of the stories

0:31:34.356 --> 0:31:39.036
<v Speaker 8>that the Livingston family have told can be actually disproven.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, oh, was taken by a nanny, and then

0:31:42.676 --> 0:31:45.116
<v Speaker 8>you prove that, well, then nanny wasn't there for another

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<v Speaker 8>eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>Also suspect Foster's finding that Moore was a humorless scrooge,

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<v Speaker 3>which was often a clear case of taking something More

0:31:53.596 --> 0:31:55.356
<v Speaker 3>had written out of context.

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<v Speaker 8>What I found wasn't just that it was misinterpreted, but

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<v Speaker 8>that it was elited to the point where if you

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<v Speaker 8>just read the full sentence, it actually proves the opposite

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<v Speaker 8>of what is being used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Argue Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't know the mind of Don Foster, but there

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<v Speaker 3>were at least a few examples of his attributions not

0:32:21.396 --> 0:32:24.756
<v Speaker 3>exactly panning out. A couple of years after his book

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<v Speaker 3>Author Unknown came out, he retracted his famous claim that

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<v Speaker 3>Shakespeare had written the Funeralogy, under mounting skepticism, and after

0:32:32.796 --> 0:32:35.676
<v Speaker 3>he wrote an article seeming to suggest an innocent government

0:32:35.716 --> 0:32:39.596
<v Speaker 3>scientist was responsible for sending the anthrax letters after September eleventh,

0:32:40.156 --> 0:32:43.596
<v Speaker 3>he was sued for libel, settled for some undisclosed amount

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<v Speaker 3>of money, and went back to being predominantly a vasser

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<v Speaker 3>English professor. I had hoped to interview him for this story,

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<v Speaker 3>but he declined to speak with me through a colleague.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll keep Christmas in his way, and I'll keep it

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<v Speaker 3>in mind. But in my view, Foster's argument has done

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<v Speaker 3>a grave injustice to Clement Clark Moore that we, the

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<v Speaker 3>staff of Revisionist History and associates in the Rare Documents trade,

0:33:06.396 --> 0:33:08.516
<v Speaker 3>refused to leave unchallenged.

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<v Speaker 8>And his book Arthur Unknown is still referred to and

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<v Speaker 8>still used by, you know, people who are looking into it.

0:33:16.396 --> 0:33:20.636
<v Speaker 8>And then so many other reporters go with it as

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<v Speaker 8>the story if he said she said that. I don't

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<v Speaker 8>blame the family as much as I blame some of

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<v Speaker 8>the scholars who should know better.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does still bother.

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<v Speaker 8>Me, Like if I bring up or the last time

0:33:35.316 --> 0:33:37.036
<v Speaker 8>I did was years ago, bring up the idea of

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<v Speaker 8>a museum exhibit and Clement Moore's authorship. Some accept it outright,

0:33:42.796 --> 0:33:45.956
<v Speaker 8>but others have been, well, we have to be careful,

0:33:45.996 --> 0:33:48.996
<v Speaker 8>we have to talk about the controversy. No, you know,

0:33:49.276 --> 0:33:52.396
<v Speaker 8>you have to acknowledge that there was one, but you

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<v Speaker 8>should not pretend that it's actually real.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas is all about your dreams coming true. Maybe Foster

0:34:00.596 --> 0:34:03.756
<v Speaker 3>tried to do that for Mary, But to my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>in the end, I think what they set in motion

0:34:06.996 --> 0:34:10.076
<v Speaker 3>was a satisfying and to the mystery, it just wasn't

0:34:10.076 --> 0:34:11.236
<v Speaker 3>the conclusion they'd hoped for.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fine with me that you come to a different

0:34:14.716 --> 0:34:20.396
<v Speaker 4>position than I do. I don't ever say flatly that

0:34:20.436 --> 0:34:24.876
<v Speaker 4>Henry wrote the poem. I say, I believe that Henry

0:34:24.916 --> 0:34:28.396
<v Speaker 4>wrote the poem, and here's the data, and make up

0:34:28.396 --> 0:34:33.516
<v Speaker 4>your own mind. So if you use it to come

0:34:33.556 --> 0:34:38.276
<v Speaker 4>to a different conclusion than I do, that's fine. At

0:34:38.356 --> 0:34:45.716
<v Speaker 4>least you examine the issue and you feel peace in

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<v Speaker 4>yourself at the answer you come to.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, was there was there one bit of evidence set

0:34:54.876 --> 0:34:57.436
<v Speaker 2>for you really sealed the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. This whole argument against Clenen Clark Moore relies on

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that he's a scrooge who would never write

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<v Speaker 3>about Christmas. He would never never write light verse, never

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<v Speaker 3>write about fairies, certainly never write about Santa Claus and Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>And these researchers found not just one, but two effectively

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas poems by Clement Clark Moore that pre date or

0:35:24.076 --> 0:35:29.076
<v Speaker 3>are in tight sequence with a Visit from Saint Nicholas.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first is a letter called from Saint Nicholas,

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<v Speaker 3>which is literally in the voice of Santa Claus to

0:35:34.516 --> 0:35:36.956
<v Speaker 3>Clemic Clark Moore's kid, which I guess, true to his haters,

0:35:36.996 --> 0:35:38.996
<v Speaker 3>is about why she's not getting any presents that year,

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<v Speaker 3>though it is very sweet and crucially it's an anithestic determiner.

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<v Speaker 3>But this one is the one that I actually really love.

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<v Speaker 3>The Melville scholar Scott Norsworthy thinks that this poem and

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<v Speaker 3>a Visit from Saint Nicholas were written at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a snowstorm in New York on December twenty first.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a Saturday in eighteen twenty two, Throughoute this poem

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<v Speaker 3>called lines, written after a snowstorm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Come, children, dear, and look around. Behold how soft and

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<v Speaker 3>light the silent snow has clad the ground in robes

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<v Speaker 3>of purest white. The trees seem decked by fairy hand

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<v Speaker 3>nor knead their native green, and every breeze appears to

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<v Speaker 3>stand all hushed to view the seam. You wonder how

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<v Speaker 3>the snows are made that dance upon the air, as

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<v Speaker 3>if from purer worlds they strayed so lightly and so fair.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps they are the summer flowers in northern stars, that

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<v Speaker 3>bloom wafted away from icy bowers to cheer our winter's gloom.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps they are feathers of a race of birds that

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<v Speaker 3>live away in some cold, dreary, wintry place, far from

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<v Speaker 3>the sun's warm ray and clouds. Perhaps are downy beds

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<v Speaker 3>on which the winds repose, who, when they rouse their

0:36:56.436 --> 0:37:01.276
<v Speaker 3>slumbering heads, shake down the feathery snows. But see, my darlings,

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<v Speaker 3>while we stay and gaze with fond delight the fairy scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon fades away and mocks our raptured sight, and let

0:37:08.716 --> 0:37:11.236
<v Speaker 3>this fleet eating vision teach truth. You soon must know

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<v Speaker 3>that all the joys we here can reach are transient

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<v Speaker 3>as the snow.

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<v Speaker 1>They say something.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas is a made up holiday. The core of it

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<v Speaker 3>is these weird social inversions that last for a day

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<v Speaker 3>and then melt like the new fallen snow. In that sense,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's easy to see why the story that

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<v Speaker 3>Henry Livingston Junior actually wrote this poem gets retold so often.

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<v Speaker 3>It's another Christmas ee inversion, one about as old as

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<v Speaker 3>modern Christmas itself, just another story about a thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>not as it seems. Fat men in velvet robes sliding

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<v Speaker 3>down thin chimneys, everything you ever wanted under a tree

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<v Speaker 3>that's indoors, and your great great great great great grandfathers

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<v Speaker 3>forgotten roll in inventing Christmas. I don't believe it, but

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<v Speaker 3>then again tis the season. Revisionist History is produced by

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<v Speaker 3>me Bennatt of Haffrey, with Nina Bird Lawrence and Lucy Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 3>Our editor is Karen Schakergie fact checking by Onica Robbins.

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<v Speaker 3>Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Production support from Luke

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<v Speaker 3>Lehmand engineering by David Herman at Good Studios and Nina

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<v Speaker 3>Bird Lawrence. Original music was composed, arranged, and recorded by

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<v Speaker 3>Luis Gara, mixing and mastering bar Marcelo di Olivera. I

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<v Speaker 3>have stood on the shoulders of giants for this absurd episode.

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<v Speaker 3>All credit to the scholars and writers who made this possible,

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Norsworthy of the Melvileana Blog, Tom Jerman, and Justin Fox.

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<v Speaker 3>To our friends in Troy, the incomparable Duncan Crairie and

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<v Speaker 3>city historian Kathy Shehan. If I've left you unconvinced about

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<v Speaker 3>Moore's authorship, you can read the latest salvo from the

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<v Speaker 3>Livingstonians in the book Who Wrote The Night Before Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>by Professor MacDonald P.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>Just be sure to read Scott Norseworthy's response to it

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<v Speaker 3>on the Melvilliana Blog right afterwards. From Revisionist History, Happy

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<v Speaker 3>holidays and we'll see you all in the new year.