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Speaker 1: M Hey everyone, Since it's political season, I thought for

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Speaker 1: this Saturday Select, we'd go back in time to May

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Speaker 1: a listen. Educate yourselves on how labor unions work. Right now,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. With me is always is Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuff Bryant, which makes this stuff you should know. Heck no,

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Speaker 1: we won't go. That's different. Heck no, we won't record.

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Speaker 1: That's more along the lines of what we're talking about

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Speaker 1: better pay for podcasters. Yeah. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: we could get together like Adam Curry and um Joe

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Speaker 1: be Is that a threat? No? Are you threaten? No?

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Speaker 1: He would be our Jimmy. He would make things happen.

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Speaker 1: James P. Hoffa, the one that the current team's Church

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Speaker 1: breaking goon um. So for those of you who have

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Speaker 1: now that we're talking about labor unions. Tom. It's a

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Speaker 1: the Scott Walker thing is like my intro. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of legislation that he was trying to introduce.

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Speaker 1: That is very true, and it caused quite a stirt,

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Speaker 1: like thousands of protesters. Yeah, there was some serious protests

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Speaker 1: But probably the biggest one was that they were stripped

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Speaker 1: neutered as a union member. In a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think they're necessary, a lot of

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Speaker 1: think that's a good move. Josh, thank you. Uh so

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Speaker 1: Industrial revolution is kind of where actually we can go

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Speaker 1: I'm going to move it to, um the first Saturday, now,

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't get off work exactly. Uh did he move

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Speaker 1: why you can't wear white after September. September exactly. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly the origin that stuff. Mm hm. Alright, So maybe

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Speaker 1: there's many different kinds, and like you said, it's all

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Speaker 1: with that sentiment. But there was a time prior to

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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies where it was labor who was running

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Speaker 1: the charge. It was the unions and they were fully

429
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: in control, and business figured out how to regroup and

430
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Speaker 1: reassert itself, and that's the age that we're in now. UM.

431
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: So back to Eisenhower, though when he was talking, he

432
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: was kind of carrying on a tradition where the US

433
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: government figured out that, Okay, there is a um there's

434
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Speaker 1: a balance of power that has to be struck between

435
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: labor and business because business is part of this economic engine.

436
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: Labor helps fuel economic engine. But they really kind of

437
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: represent two different sectors of the the US, not just

438
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: econ economy, but the population, and we need to keep

439
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: them happy. We need to strike this balance. So the

440
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: federal government got involved, starting in with the National Labor

441
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: Relations Act, and they basically said, Okay, we can't have

442
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: strikes where you guys are shooting two pound hinges at cops,

443
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: and we can't have strikes where cops are like murdering, uh,

444
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: striking workers. Let's get to the heart of this matter

445
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: and figure out how to strike a happy balance between

446
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: what labor wants and what business wants and progressed from there.

447
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: And it was a really smart thing to do, but

448
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: they figured out that it was very much like Homer

449
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: trying to keep Pinchy lobster alive with the goldfish in

450
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: that freshwater tank, you know, adding salt, adding water. Um,

451
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: and it's been that was kind of the mark of

452
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: the twentieth century in an American economic history, was that

453
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: adding the salt and adding the water over time through legislation. Well,

454
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: in the nl r A was like you said, the

455
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Speaker 1: first one. And prior to that, they companies didn't even

456
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Speaker 1: have to recognize a union or negotiate with a union leader.

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00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: So this actually required by law that they not necessarily

458
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Speaker 1: that they give workers what they want, but they had

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00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: to at least negotiate in good faith and sit down

460
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Speaker 1: to the table with them. Yeah, which effectively said it

461
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: brought unions out of the dark and legalized them and

462
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: gave them a legal voice and legal recourse. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And to enforce that, they soon passed the National Labor

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Speaker 1: Relations Board to oversee, uh what was going on with

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Speaker 1: n l r A and UM. The article points out

466
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: here that they accomplished three things. UM. It allowed workers

467
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Speaker 1: to have elections to you know, like their own union leaders.

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00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: UM established laws protecting employees from discrimination based on union activity.

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Speaker 1: So like are you union, Well, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: hire you that kind of thing, or even worse, like

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Speaker 1: in the case of Ford Motor Company led forward Security

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Speaker 1: Wing led by Harry Bennett, a two thousand man strong

473
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Speaker 1: goons squad that used to like beat up workers, beat

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Speaker 1: up like organizers, beat up union reps um and do

475
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: it like on camera. They really were kind of above

476
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Speaker 1: the law in a lot of ways. But this was

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00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: definitely target that was targeted at guys like that for

478
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Speaker 1: the goons. UM and this kind of sneak spy but important, uh.

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00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: An important thing to note here is an l R

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Speaker 1: I also protected collective bargaining even if you're not in

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Speaker 1: a union, and the ability to bargain for better conditions

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Speaker 1: for all workers. So I mean it's it's the unions

483
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: was one of the main things. But it protected everybody,

484
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Speaker 1: but not everybody. There are a bunch of groups that

485
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: were left out of this. Agricultural workers UM, domestic service

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Speaker 1: workers UM, federal, state and local government employees, which obviously

487
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: yeah when when a different way UM, railroad and airline employees,

488
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: that one kind of became important. Like we talked about

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Speaker 1: in the air traffic control one UM under Reagan when

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Speaker 1: he fired all the air traffic controllers you know who

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Speaker 1: went on strike. Yeah, and that's important. UM. I guess

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Speaker 1: was that the Taft Hartley that ensured. Yeah. Taft Hartley

493
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: Act came along in nine seven, or the Labor Management

494
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Speaker 1: Relations Act, and one of the important things it did

495
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: was said, you know what, if there's any reich that's

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Speaker 1: gonna put the public health and danger, then we can

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Speaker 1: issue an eight day injunction that basically says you cannot strike.

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Speaker 1: And in the case of the I guess was did

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Speaker 1: that put the country in danger? Necessarily I put the

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Speaker 1: country's economy and danger. But at the same time, Reagan

501
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: didn't have file an injunction through the UM Relations Board.

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00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: He fired fired work. You're fired man, that guy? I know? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And what else did that? Oh? At outlawed secondary boycott's

504
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: the Taft Hartley Labor Act, which was a big deal

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Speaker 1: because the example they use here in this article is

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Speaker 1: really good. Like let's say you're a brewery and you're

507
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: striking against your employer. You might have a boycott against

508
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: the glass company that makes the beer bottles, just to

509
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Speaker 1: put the strong arm on the company from another direction.

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Speaker 1: And you can't do that. It's called the squeeze. Can't

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Speaker 1: do the squeeze. It's not legal. You can't as a union,

512
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Speaker 1: but consumers frequently do that kind of it's like UM

513
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: trying to get like Rush Limbaugh off there, boycotted a

514
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: lot of people, boycotted his UM advertisers until they said,

515
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: you know what, Okay, well we'll stop advertising with him.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Russia Limbaugh has the

517
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Speaker 1: double squeeze on him. Same with the UM. I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: There was some special interest group, some pack that was

519
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: getting funding from like McDonald's, Wendy's, a bunch of people

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00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: and UM because of their alleged unfair and UM very

521
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: much pro business only practices. UM like all of these

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00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: companies is kind of abandoned them recently. Really Yeah, Alec

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Speaker 1: a l EC, I don't remember what it stands for,

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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin, No, no, no, no, okay stuff mhm uh

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Speaker 1: the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of Josh, what's

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00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: that all about? Well, this was during a time when

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Speaker 1: UM the winds had really shifted towards not only the

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00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: unions having the uh, the labor UM business under their thumb,

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Speaker 1: they also had their union members under their thumb. The

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Speaker 1: MOB was involved the the democracy UM where the democratic

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00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: basis of unions had eroded, and UH, there was a

532
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Speaker 1: lot of shady stuff going on UM. This what I

533
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: thought was cool was rather than the federal government going, oh, well,

534
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: then we need to re reinvigorate the power given a

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00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: business under these union laws, instead they went and invested

536
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: more power in union members. That's right. Yeah, Like you

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00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: couldn't use union dues anymore to promote one candidate over

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: another in a union. For union, the elections were really

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00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: pretty heavily monitored from that point on. Uh, every single

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00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: union member has to be notified by mail at least

541
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: fifteen days before the election, like you can't sneak an

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00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: election by them, which probably used to happen in the

543
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: old days. Yep. UM. To to increase transparency in the

544
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: whole union thing, there was a lot of UM disclosure

545
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and reporting requirements that were added, and not just for

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00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: the unions, but for also like employers, consultants. They want

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00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: to know where the money was going and basically they

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: wanted to see how the mob was involved as a

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00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: big one. Well, in speaking of money, UM, I don't

550
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: think we pointed out that a lot of times UM

551
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: unions will have a strike funds and some of the

552
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: money that you pay into it will actually pay you

553
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: when you go on strike to keep you from going hungry.

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00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: It's like Affleck. You know that Gilbert Godfrey didn't do

555
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: that anymore. I don't think I know. And I wonder

556
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: how ironic would it be if he had Affleck insurance

557
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: and that it kicked in once Affleck fired him. Interesting?

558
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: Why do you think he got fired because he wanted

559
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: too much money? No? No, he got fired for making

560
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: Twitter jokes about um, the Japanese tsunami, like the day

561
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: of Yeah, I thought it was a money issue. Yeah,

562
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the sense of humor in this country

563
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: in the direction it's going, like there's stand up comedians

564
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: have always almost always been allowed to some they're exempted

565
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: from a lot of the standards that average joes are

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Speaker 1: held to, you know, like their stand up comedians that's

567
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: their job. Sometimes they make tasteless jokes and all that stuff. Yeah,

568
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: they'll go over the line and they'll just go people

569
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: go oh, and they'll go what too soon? And then

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00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: that right exactly, and then people will be like, yes,

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00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: it is um, but they there seems to be it

572
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: seems to be open season on comedians well because of

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00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: platforms that they've never had before, probably like Twitter, I

574
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: guess I guess all of a sudden, that's like your

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: official statement instead of a joke he made. Or yeah,

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: and the audience is much much wider and much more

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00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: um varied and diverse too. So yeah, I beg for

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00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: God read so piste off. I would imagine so because

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got tell me there's like not ten

580
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: thou people lining up voice actors to go afract for

581
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: a huge page. I think he just made a pretty

582
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: good argument for yourself. That wasn't as good as g

583
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: But but I mean, and the problem is I realize

584
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Speaker 1: what's at risk is you know, cultural sensitivity, even individual

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00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: sensitivity towards people who are going to be offended or hurt,

586
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: but they're also there has to be a balance between that.

587
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: And I mean, the other thing that's at risk is

588
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: like our national sense of humor, which is really important.

589
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: It's one of the sees you could be like, well,

590
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: that's just a stupid joke. No, Like our ability to

591
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: take a joke is a very vital and important thing

592
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: about keeping us from like all, you know, killing ourselves

593
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: and stand One of the roles that stand up comedians provide,

594
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: or any kind of comedian provides, is to keep that

595
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: healthy and vital and going agreed. There's nothing more of

596
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: a turn off to me than when you see a

597
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: humorless celebrity, like when Ricky Gervais is doing a thing

598
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: in the Golden Clubs and you see like the people

599
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: out there that just are offended by this. I'm like,

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: come on, man, yeah, I don't know. I I think

601
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: for yourself, I can see Ricky Gervais being We'll make

602
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: him the sacrificial lamp leap over God for you alone.

603
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, man, that was a sidebar, Yes, it was.

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00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: Are we talking about labor unions? I don't remember labor

605
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: unions today, Josh. You mentioned the a f l C.

606
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: I oh um. A lot of people might not know

607
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: that that is actually a collection to labor federation made

608
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: up a fifty four member union ten million strong. It's

609
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people changed to win as sort of

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00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: a new one. Two thousand five it was formed, but

611
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: it isn't also a labor federation encompassing seven unions in

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: six million workers. Big time. Yeah, The a f l

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00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: that was founded by Samuel Gompers who I mentioned earlier,

614
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: and he got some cigar makers and some other industrial

615
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: laborers together to form that and then that was in

616
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century, and I can't remember exactly when,

617
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: but maybe in the forties of the fifties, he got

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00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: together with the C i OH to form the A

619
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: f L C i OH because he loves cigars. U

620
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: a W is a huge one. Auto Workers. Yeah, they

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: have something like, um one point four million members. Uh no,

622
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The Teamsters has one point four million members,

623
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Speaker 1: and they're the ones who are probably the most well

624
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: known by the average job thanks to one Jimmy Hoffa.

625
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Do you know his story a little bit here there? Um.

626
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: The whole mob involvement I think with the UM, with

627
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: any union was they realized that there's a bunch of

628
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: guys um who are sitting on enormous piles of money,

629
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: and let's see how much of that we can steal

630
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: or get their hands on or used to build ourselves casinos.

631
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: And Jimmy Hoffa was in with these guys and he

632
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: just went missing right in. Yeah. I mean, I don't

633
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: think it's any secret would happened to him, but they

634
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: definitely don't know exactly what happened. And I thought the

635
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: whole point wasn't it was a secret. What happened to him. Well,

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00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: he was snuffed out. Oh I don't. I don't think

637
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: he you know, I just had a heart attack while

638
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: hiking in the wilderness and his body decomposed naturally. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was supposedly going. He was last seen waiting on

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Speaker 1: to Mafia Associates. It's kind of the giveaway too, But

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Speaker 1: his son, James P. Hoffa UM has really kind of

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Speaker 1: brought the family name back tremendously. He's the head of

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Speaker 1: the t Asters today, Yes he is. He's the president

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Speaker 1: of the Teamsters Union UM and is doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of work toward UM real legitimizing UM unions again in

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Speaker 1: this country, which is pretty cool. Well, anyone who's ever

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Speaker 1: been on a film set and has seen a two

648
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five pound man eating a doughnut sitting

649
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Speaker 1: in his truck, you can say I've met a teamster

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Speaker 1: and they they do great work, and they're basically there's

651
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Speaker 1: a I can't remember the number, but they're there. If

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Speaker 1: you're an industrial worker, you're basically eligible to be a

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Speaker 1: teamster and in just about any kind of industry. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get hate mail for that. Oh, you'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: There's like two guys that you described who listened to

656
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Speaker 1: this podcast, so you get two pieces of hate mail.

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Speaker 1: If I was a teamster, I would do nothing but

658
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Speaker 1: listen to this podcast because you're just sitting a raffle.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. Teamsters do great work. But on film

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Speaker 1: sets is sort of the old joke is that they'll

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Speaker 1: park the truck and then they sit in it until

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Speaker 1: they leave in the truck, you know, the um There

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Speaker 1: was another Simpsons reference just came up with the um,

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Speaker 1: the one where that film for Radioactive Man comes to

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Speaker 1: town and Homer tries to see who can out lazy

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Speaker 1: the teamsters. Good stuff. That is just a stereotype. Although yeah,

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Speaker 1: but stereotypes are there for a reason, right, has not funny?

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Speaker 1: Is not funny? What else? I don't have anything else?

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Speaker 1: You get anything else? Um? No, I guess I think

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00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: we covered pretty much everything. Yeah, it's a nice broad

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Speaker 1: overview if people can and like you said early on, Man,

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Speaker 1: you hit it on the head, my friend, whether or

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Speaker 1: not you are pro union or anti union largely depends

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Speaker 1: on your family's background. Yeah, it's a it's a very

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Speaker 1: tried and true uh thing through through families, through generations

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Speaker 1: that you know, people feel very strongly about it that

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Speaker 1: are involved in unions or like my actually my parents

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Speaker 1: are in the teachers union. Oh yeah, yeah, you're a

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Speaker 1: union kid. Huh yeah. But that that wasn't like factory

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Speaker 1: stuff like I never heard them besides complaining about not

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00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: making up money, which every teacher should complain about. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't have any kind of passionate feelings

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Speaker 1: about it whatsoever, I would advise you to look into it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And if you do have passionate feelings about it, I

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00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: think a great exercise would be to explore how the

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00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: other side sees it and see if it changes your

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Speaker 1: mind one way or the other. Look at you. UM.

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Speaker 1: You can do that by reading this fascinating article that

689
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Speaker 1: we just based this podcast on, UM, how unions work.

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Speaker 1: You can type in the search bar at house touff

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Speaker 1: works dot com. You can also go into WAPO. There

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00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: was a pretty cool UM editorial as the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's right, UM, the Wisconsin union fight

694
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Speaker 1: isn't about benefits, it's about labor's influence. From March six,

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00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: two eleven was a good article. That was a good

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Speaker 1: article too. And I already said search bar, which means

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Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail. You know our buddy

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Speaker 1: Joe Garden was he's a scanni. He was really upset

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Speaker 1: last year. You can tell you you can see right

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Speaker 1: through his skin. He's so pale, he's translucent. Vote Joe Garden. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: big craftwork guy. Oh yeah, did he get tickets now?

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Speaker 1: He did? Ah, he promoted his own craft work. Um.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was a craftwork covers show and he

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Speaker 1: got different bands to come and play craft work and

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Speaker 1: he's a big deal for Joe was it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: He wore like white suit and introduced everyone. That is sweet.

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Speaker 1: When was that very recently? Did you see footage over?

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Speaker 1: Were you there? No? He was just he wouldn't shut

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Speaker 1: up about on Facebook and even admitted like guys, I

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Speaker 1: know you're tired of hearing about craftwork. That is significant

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Speaker 1: for Joe. Um. Yeah. There's also I guess kind of

712
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Speaker 1: in with the music sampling episode. There's I think a

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Speaker 1: DJ Food or a DJ Shadow I think DJ Food

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Speaker 1: um Craftwork cover mix. Yeah, there's like maybe three volumes

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Speaker 1: of it and it's like just mixing together all these

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Speaker 1: people who like sampled craft work for their songs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they just did a big thing at the some museum MoMA. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we you mean? And I tried very

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Speaker 1: hard to get those tickets. Did you try? Dude? It

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Speaker 1: was such into a cluster. I'm not into craftwork, and

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Speaker 1: this solidifies it. When I saw the reviews of it

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Speaker 1: and said they did like a twenty one minute of

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Speaker 1: auto bon and I was just like, somebody put a

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Speaker 1: gun to my head. Oh, you're just supposed to zone

725
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Speaker 1: out and forget where you are for a little bite

726
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Speaker 1: where it takes. I'm not a craft work guy, but

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Speaker 1: I know people are. People don't know. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: craft work guy either, like um, but I will say

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Speaker 1: that like that would have been just a momentous, just

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Speaker 1: a momentous thing to see MoMA into pretty much okay,

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Speaker 1: like the Tupac hologram. I'm sure seeing that it Coachella

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00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: is just amazing. Yeah, and a bit way more amazing

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Speaker 1: for some people than others even. All Right, So should

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Speaker 1: I read a listener mail? I guess I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: this a good cause we like to promote these and

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Speaker 1: attach it to our Labor Union episode. How appropriate, Big

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Speaker 1: big fan, guys. I was just down at south By

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Speaker 1: Southwest where I caught your variety show and shook your

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Speaker 1: surprisingly supple hands. I also I know I also sat

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Speaker 1: on a panel called Harnessing the Power of the Benevolent Internet,

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Speaker 1: something you guys seem pretty skilled at yourselves, which is

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Speaker 1: why I thought you might be game to help students

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Speaker 1: across the country learn all sorts of stuff they should know,

744
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: in many cases, is stuff they need to know. I

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Speaker 1: work for a nonprofit website called donors Choose dot org,

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Speaker 1: where anyone with a dollar can give support to classrooms

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Speaker 1: in need. Teachers from all fifty states post request for

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Speaker 1: resources they feel their students need, and kind folks from

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Speaker 1: all over the world help bring those lessons to life.

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Speaker 1: It's cool. It sounds almost like a Kiva for teachers.

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Speaker 1: I need fifty tickets to craft working well. Since our

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00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: founding in two thousand, we've delivered over a hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars of resources directly to public school classrooms,

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Speaker 1: supporting more than six million students. Uh And if you

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Speaker 1: or my fellow listeners would like to help, you or

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Speaker 1: my fellow listeners, see have listeners fellow listeners. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: have listeners. That listener has fellow lists check out the

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Speaker 1: page I set up. He set up a page with

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Speaker 1: our name, and I was like, that's cool, you can

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00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: do that, but we're not, like, we can't officially like

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Speaker 1: sign on because then it has to go through corporate

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But oh, I already signed us

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Speaker 1: on officially, he did. I made T shirts and everything

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Speaker 1: they didn't, so you can go to donors choose dot

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Speaker 1: org slash stuff kids should know and UM, let me

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00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: know if you have any questions. And this is from

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Speaker 1: Zack and he said, by the way, we recently hired

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Speaker 1: a system admin a couple of months back. Drove me

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Speaker 1: crazy for a few weeks. Then I realized he sounds

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00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: exactly like Josh, and he said, I've enjoyed working with you. Josh.

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Speaker 1: Who is the other voice double for me? There's another

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Speaker 1: person that was some dude. Well, there's a writer that

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Speaker 1: writes about running. He wrote one thing about running Clark

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Speaker 1: and have been asked five times if it was me?

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Speaker 1: What's ironic? Started? Now? I actually you should write your

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Speaker 1: own article. Um, I can't remember. There was some other

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Speaker 1: voice person that did like Pike videos or something. I

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Speaker 1: don't man, I don't remember. Yeah, well, if okay, who

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Speaker 1: is that that was Zach donors choose dot org slash

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Speaker 1: kids stuff. Kids should know that donors choose dot org

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Speaker 1: slash stuff kids should know indeed. Nice. Uh, if you

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00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: have a great charitable organization you want to us to

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00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: let everybody know about Again, we're always happy to do that.

784
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: And if I sound like somebody, let me know because

785
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: it's driving me crazy. Who it is I've heard from

786
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: like a bunch of people, you sound just like this

787
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: or whatever? Yeah? Remember? Or I want to hear from

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Speaker 1: people who have um actively been on a worker strike,

789
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: or if you have been a scab as they called them,

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00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: and been a strike buster, or I want to hear

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00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: about that. If you've ever been beaten up by the cops,

792
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: we want to hear about that too. Yes. And anarchists,

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00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: any anarchists out there, We're always interested in hearing from anarchists.

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Speaker 1: I guess I got shipped down by the cops and

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Speaker 1: Athens one night. If you get beat up, there's difference. No,

796
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Speaker 1: but they like threw me against the wall and like

797
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: we're kicking my legs out from under me, and yeah,

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00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: it was weird, and then they had just left. Are

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Speaker 1: you sure there are cops and not just some eternity

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00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: boys dressed up as Appens police in a car. Me

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00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: and my three friends. Don't know what they thought we

802
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: were doing, but they they got out of there really quick.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that they must have thought you were somebody else,

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00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, or the reality of their situation hit them

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00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: and they realized that what they were doing was wrong. Maybe. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You can communicate with Chuck and I electronically via Twitter

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Speaker 1: at s y SK podcast that's our handle, UH, Facebook

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Speaker 1: dot com, slash Stuff you Should Know, or you can

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Speaker 1: send us an email to Stuff podcast at how stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production

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