1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted. I'm Tom holland Mike Boil. If 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: you don't know the name, you should. If you're listening 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: to the show, soon you will you'll know exactly who 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: Mike Boyle is. Mike Boyle is simply one of the 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: world's top strength and conditioning coaches specialists. It's as simple 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: as that. When I first read his stuff many many 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: years ago, I said, I am going to learn from 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: this guy. I'm gonna read everything he writes. I'm going 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: to study his philosophy and just I study learned from 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: the people who are the best of the best. Why 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: waste your time with anything but And he's one of 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: those guys. And these are the guests I bring on 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: this show because I want you to get the greatest 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: results in the shortest amount of time with the least 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: likelihood of injury. And guess what, Mike Boyle follows all 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: three of those principles. Mike Boyle is the coach. If 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: you're remotely anywhere close to Boston in Massachusetts, you train 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: with Mike Boyle. If you're serious about what you do. 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Professional athletes collegiate athletes, Olympic athletes, all trained with Mike Boyle, 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: the Boston Bruins, the Boston Red Sox, Boston University. He 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: specializes well, does a lot of hockey, but he does 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: all sports, the US women's Olympic hockey team, but also 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: their soccer team. And he trains quote unquote real people, 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: but he trains the best of the best. That's what 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: he's known for, and for great reason. He's super smart. 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: He's awesome at what he does, and he comes at 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: it from science. And like most of my amazing guests 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: on this show, it's gonna be that same theme that 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: seems to annoy a lot of people, and I get 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: why it does that. The answers are quite often simple. 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: It's the application that's challenging because we wanted to be 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: more complicated, We wanted to be more complex, and it's not. 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: And he's gonna explain why. Now, what are we gonna 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: talk about. We're gonna talk about what I have seen 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: the fat workouts, the not fat workouts per se, but 37 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: the fat exercises that have just exploded in popularity over 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: the past decade or so. And I chose three. So 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak with Mike Boyle strength and Conditioning Guru, 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: and to use that term again with him is one warranted. 41 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Olympic lifts. We're gonna talk about 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: am RAP and what that means. The acronym is as 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: many reps as possible. And we're gonna talk about plometric 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: box jumps because if you walk into any gym today, 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: those three things are being done like crazy. We talk 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: about why. We're gonna talk about who should do those, 47 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: when you should do those, how you should do those, 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: and maybe when he shouldn't. I'm gonna talk about it 49 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: from a scientific perspective. We don't just instead of union. 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: We use facts here people science not super deep because 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: that's boring to most people. We're gonna use science. We're 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: gonna talk about those three exercises and why you should 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: or shouldn't do them from exercise physiology standpoint enough with 54 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: me because we need to talk to him. The best 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: of the best coming up after the break, strength and 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: conditioning expert, phenom guru, whatever you want to call it, 57 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: it's deserved coming up Mike Boyle. We'll be right back 58 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: and we're back. I could not be more excited. I 59 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: have followed this guy for so many years. There are 60 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: very few people that I say, you know, this is 61 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: the guy to listen to, and you're gonna you're gonna 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: figure out why if you don't know if Mike Boyle, 63 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: let me give you his quick bile, which I had 64 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: to condense down as I do with all my great guests, 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: and because they're just they've done so much so. Mike 66 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Boyle is an internationally recognized strength and conditioning expert. He's 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: got well over thirty years experience in the industry. He 68 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: brings a depth and breadth of knowledge that is truly 69 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: unmatched in sports performance training. His client list is truly 70 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: like who's who of collegiate, professional, and Olympic athletes from 71 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: Boston University, the Boston Red Sox, Boston Bruins, also the 72 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: US Women's Olympic soccer and hockey teams. All right, He's 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: an international lecturer. He's the author of numerous books and 74 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: DVDs and his website you gotta go there www. Strength 75 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: coach dot com. It's truly the number one source of 76 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: performance enhancement on the Internet. So that's that's a site. 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: There's so much stuff out there. That's where you go 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, this this is what I need 79 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: to know. His gym is renowned Mike Boyle Strength and Conditioning, 80 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: and it offers truly the most comprehensive performance enhancement training, reconditioning, 81 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and personal training in the nation. And if you don't 82 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: pull even me, Men's Health magazine voted at the number 83 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: one JIM in America. So there you go, Mike, Thanks 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. I know you're super busy, 85 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: like have an hour a couple of days a week 86 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: for podcast now, including your own. Yes, it's great. I 87 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: actually really enjoyed doing these because I think it's a 88 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: great way to get out to a much broader audience 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: than then we might get in sort of the book 90 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: writing world. So it's good. I like it and and 91 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you, and thank you for taking 92 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: the time. And yeah, it's a unique way. You and 93 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: I pretty much been in the industry the same amount 94 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: of time, and this is yet another unique way, right 95 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: that we can truly reach people. As you said, and uh, 96 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: what I've find is it it's it's pretty interesting that 97 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't know the feedback you're getting. I gotta make 98 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: things shorter and shorter people. People keep saying, stopped talking 99 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and just get to the point. So I'm learning to 100 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: with this new medium. Functional Training for Sports. That's one 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: of your books that is like, how many versions of 102 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: that do you have now? I mean just so popular. 103 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: There's only two. There's two thousand four one, and then 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: there was a two thousand I want to say seventeen. 105 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: We did the uh what we're going to the second edition, 106 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: but it ended up being called New Functional Training for 107 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: Sports because they have rules with books now in terms 108 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: of if it's more than new, they have to consider 109 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: it a new book. So it is technically a new book. 110 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: So you worked harder on it, you put you put 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: more awhere. But I didn't want to do it, to 112 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: be honest, I was very hesitant. Not even I was 113 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: not hesitant. I was resistant. And the acquisitions editor just 114 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: was very nice. He said, just read the book over, 115 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: and he said, if you read it over and you're 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: happy with it, I'll stop bothering you. You don't read 117 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: your own stuff, Like who does that? Right? But I did. 118 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I went back and I went through it, and I 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: was like, this book stinks. To do it. Yeah, let's 120 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: not say stinks. I mean sure, most of it you see, 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: of course it's it still applies. But we want people 122 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: to get the most out of their workouts. And that's 123 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: why I want to talk about Mike like again, but 124 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: in the business, the same amount of time you have 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: specialized though in professional athletes, people who can't afford to 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: get injured, right, I mean, you want what all strength 127 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: and conditioning coaches want, greatest results, shortest amount of time, 128 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: and then that third opponent with the least likelihood of injury, right, 129 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: And that's where the art and science comes in. Absolutely, 130 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's because and that's what I think 131 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: is really interesting when you look at other people who don't. 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: When you don't have that constraint, it's very easy to 133 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: be sort of majo and cavalier about what you're gonna do. 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: And then when you insert that constraint in, when you 135 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: insert in a general manager and an agent and the 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: player themselves, who's not going to be happy? You know, 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the coach, all these people are going to be unhappy 138 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: if this guy gets hurt doing something that you think 139 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: we always talk about the idea of balancing risk reward. 140 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: I think what we're always trying to do is balance 141 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: risk reward. Yeah, and that's and and listen from just 142 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: an ego standpoint, I can't tell you how many people 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: come up to me in the gym and they're like 144 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: to challenge you to something right, do this or that, 145 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: And I go, hey, you win. I'm good with that. 146 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: You win. You could do more pull ups like and 147 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: and that's it. And as you said, like, you can't 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: afford and I love the way you said it. People 149 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: who aren't professional athletes, hey, go at it, do what 150 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: you want. But but I think what's so amazing, Mike, 151 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: is that they don't. It's the causation, coral lation. They 152 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: never blame the exercise for the injury they have, or 153 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: so rarely I should say, oh, well, because the trainer 154 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: is always going to try to point the finger in 155 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: a different direction, that's the problem, or the coach is 156 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: gonna point the finger in a different direction, and it is. 157 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, it's it's difficult, but I always 158 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: look at it. Think even I try to tell our 159 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: adult clients, you can't afford to be heard either. You 160 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: gotta work right and you can't afford somebody's. To me, 161 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: the most egregious thing is when you get somebody's kid hurt, right, 162 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: somebody's child when you have to call a parent and 163 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: say your son or daughter got injured today doing something 164 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: because I didn't balance the risk and reward the way 165 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: that I should have. And that's not a fun conversation. No, no, 166 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and and and it's getting you know, another topic, right, 167 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: the kids in sports specialization. We'll talk about that too, 168 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: because you're kind of going right there, and that's that's 169 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: nuts to me. And and real quickly, I got two 170 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: boys who play hockey and they were asked to do 171 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the team sports strength conditioning with not you if it were, 172 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: but I mean at nine and at eleven groups situation. 173 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: So the first time I ever emailed a coach Mike, 174 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: and I said, I'm out, my kids are out, you know, 175 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: And that was really hard to do. But another topic, 176 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: I love it. So let's just go so you know, 177 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: I still go to the gym and I see certain things. 178 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Obviously there's a tendency towards some some new type of training, 179 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: not new, but more popular now. And I just want 180 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: to go through three of them Olympic lifts and wrap 181 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: as many rests as possible and box jumps and and 182 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: we'll talk about you know, kind of what those are, about, 183 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: what they should be for, and the cost benefit of 184 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: all of those. Right, So let's start with Olympic lifts. 185 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: What are Olympic lifts to you? Like, you know, in 186 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: a nutshell, when do you use them? What are they for? 187 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. The reality is, I love Olympic lifting. 188 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: I think Olympic lifting is has got a bunch of 189 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: really strong positives in terms of and one of the 190 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: things that we've been talking about. I think it's great 191 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: for helping kids with collisions because just the fact when 192 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: you're particularly when you're cleaning hand clean, which is what 193 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: we would sort of favor, you get used to having 194 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: to receive weight almost in a way like you would 195 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: receive a hit, which is really valuable. I think it's 196 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: great from a concussion standpoint head and neck because you're 197 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: you're obviously using your easiest muscles and the muscles you know, 198 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: in that whole head and neck area when your Olympic lift, 199 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: and there's a massive amount of positives that the negatives 200 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: come in when you start doing this with adults who 201 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: don't need those benefits. So if I look at Olympic lifting, 202 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: it's like the old tricks is for kids, uh commercials. 203 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: The Cereal Olympic lifts are for kids. Olympic plus are 204 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: do not our adults do not Olympic lift. We have 205 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: rare instances where someone will try to make a case 206 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: for Hey, we have one woman who's a master's track 207 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: and field person. We've got a few people like that 208 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: who want to Olympic lift, and I think can get 209 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: the benefits from it. But in general, I always say, 210 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: the average adult can't even getta call it the airport 211 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: screening test. The average adult can't get their arms over 212 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: their head. Watch going to stand by the airport screener 213 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: and watch people when they say put your arms over 214 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: your head, and then look at that person and think 215 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: you is that person is going to be able to clean? 216 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Is that person is gonna be able to jerk or 217 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: overhead press or do whatever people have people doing. So 218 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: you just get into this situation where you're again you're 219 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: failing to balance risk and reward. What is the reward 220 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: when you look at an adult and say, do we 221 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: need concussion prevention? No? Do we need to be able 222 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: to take a hit? No? Do we need? You know, 223 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: is there's so much explosive power development in the lower 224 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: body that we couldn't get from some sort of you know, 225 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: other climetric type drill. No, so you get a lot 226 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: of nose and very few yeses. So I kept trouble 227 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: um a massive yes person. We teach our kids to 228 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: clean starting at eleven, My my kids, my children Olympic lift, 229 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: but we do not prescribe them or use them with 230 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: our adult clients at all. And you I'm guessing, Mike, 231 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: you didn't start doing those lifts with them on day one. Well, 232 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what says we do start We start teaching 233 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: clean because we we would look at clean as a 234 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: whole method versus apart method teaching, and that's just a 235 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: teaching style thing. But we do pretty much start teaching 236 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: the whole clean. But you know, hand clean above the 237 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: knees and it's but it's teaching and that's the difference 238 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: not doing. And I think that's where we also fail 239 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: with you know, when we're teaching any beginner, is that 240 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: you've got to look at this in terms of it's 241 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: a skill acquisition. It's not a strength exercise anymore are 242 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: a power exercise. We want to see you require the 243 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: skill and I think that applies to just about everything 244 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: that we're doing. We want to see you acquire the 245 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: skill of squatting. We want to see you acquire the 246 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: skill of Olympic lifting. And then at some point we'll 247 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: worry about sort of the resistance and you know, we'll 248 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: worry about that. We want to worry about the how 249 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: before we worry about how much. So I love that, 250 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: and I should have clarified. And so you're such the 251 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: expert that you just go right there naturally. Uh So 252 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: it's the teaching side, and so you're not doing a 253 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: heavy load squat. You're not You're not making them, You're 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: teaching them how to do the movement first, right. You 255 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: want that that that purity of movement. And it's not 256 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: about how much, and it's not about how many reps. 257 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: It's about doing it right and doing it right. I 258 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: tell our coaches that all the time, in terms of 259 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: I had I could care less how much weight somebody lifts, 260 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: particularly in the beginning, I really care very very strongly 261 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: about how well they lift the weight because they'll reap 262 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: the benefits of resistance training without us right basically trying 263 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: to kill them. Right. I have so many people come 264 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: up to me and that mike, And they always ask 265 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: me if I'm hurt because of the way I'm doing 266 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: in the speed I'm doing that, and I said, that's 267 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: the greatest compliment, and again he goes out the wind. 268 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't care if they go, you hurt and why 269 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: are you doing those exercises and why you're doing them 270 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: that way? And I go because they don't want to 271 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: get hurt. But that's so rare, right, And I'm next 272 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: to the people who are, you know, dropping the heavy 273 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: amounts of weight and throwing it around and yelling at 274 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: so yes, and that leads just naturally then into as 275 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: many reps as possible. Uh, you know, I get it 276 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: if you're competing, if if that's your you want to 277 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: do as many reps. But let's talk about what that 278 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: entails and how that changes the exercise when you go 279 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: as many reps as possible. Well, but the reality is 280 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: there is only in uh, there's only one competition whereas 281 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: many reps as possible matters, and that's the one, the 282 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: ESPN televised version that we were mentioning. Other than that, 283 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing else where as many reps as possible even matters. 284 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: So I think that's one thing we have to look 285 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: at and we would talk about it. It's really funny. 286 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Somebody so am wrap you know, as many reps as possible, 287 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: and then someone else um said a grap as many 288 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: good reps as possible, and so which I like better? 289 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: And so I like the idea. We talked about the 290 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: idea of training to technical failure. Charles Probloquent Transgation coach 291 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: W has since passed away, sadly coined that term years ago. 292 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna lift a technical failure, and I think that's 293 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: a pretty good standard. And technical failure to me means 294 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,359 Speaker 1: when you cease to be able to do the exercise 295 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: in the way that I prescribed it for you, that's 296 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: technical failure. That means if you're doing it too fast, 297 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: if you're bouncing it, if you decrease ranch emotion, if 298 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: you've lost for any one of those things is going 299 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: to be considered a technical failure. And we're gonna be 300 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: case sets old, right, And I can't funny people, So 301 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: I can't get another one. I don't want you to 302 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: get it. I don't care if you can get another one. 303 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: I have no interest in that. I have an interest 304 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: in you've you've run out of good reps. The amount 305 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: of good reps that we got is done. And usually 306 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: the way you know, technical failures. There was one that 307 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: wasn't you know what I mean, So one that you 308 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: didn't like, and you're like, okay, you know you did 309 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: one that I didn't like, and that was one too many. 310 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: We're definitely not going to continue down this app of 311 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, keep going until you've exhausted every compensation strategy 312 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: that you can come up with. That was I read 313 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: that post of yours way back when, and that was 314 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: what I was gonna get to next. You went right 315 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: there and that So people, I want you to really 316 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: take into what Mike just said, technical versus muscular. Right, So, 317 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: and we've been saying this, you know, as a personal 318 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: trainer many years ago. Mike, it was, you know, how 319 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: many reps should I do well until you start to 320 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: lose form? Right until the last few reps are difficult, 321 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: but you start to lose more, then it's over, right, 322 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: you don't do And the problem is, I would argue, 323 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: is that again, I always use that paper clip analogy, Mike, 324 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: where you gotta bend the paper clip five times and 325 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: four breaks, right and and that's the body that what 326 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: we're backing things like that is if you're not gonna 327 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: hurt yourself right necessarily doing that exercise, but you're gonna 328 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: bend down to get your toothbrush three months after doing 329 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: it wrong or doing too many and then you're gonna 330 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: feel it right exactly. I use credit card I think 331 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: credit cards eat better analogy because you know, I always 332 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: tell people if you start bending your credit card and 333 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: just hold it between your fingers and start bending it, 334 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: You'll think it will bend forever. And then at at 335 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: some point you look at the credit card and you realize, wow, 336 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: there's a fracture line in that card. Like suddenly that 337 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: card is developing a little line on it. And then 338 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: if you keep going relatively quickly, you'll have two pieces 339 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: of credit card in your hand and it it's I 340 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: use that analogy all the time for people because that's 341 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: when people say, you know, kind of it doesn't matter 342 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: like it does and p Well, I was like, oh, 343 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about plastic, not the human body. And I'm like, yeah, 344 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty dawned similar And I mean, we do know 345 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: that tissue goes undergoes what they call plastic deformation, and 346 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: there are certain tissue properties, particularly in connective tissue, where 347 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: they do have properties that are similar to plastics. So 348 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: so you's pretty good. So I've been saying this is 349 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: like twenty years of the paper clips. So now I'm 350 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: officially the plastic card. You've changed me to that. I 351 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: love it, But get on the credit card band rock. 352 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: Is it a is it a black m X though, 353 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: or is it you know, it depends on the client. 354 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have that argument. I love that. And 355 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: again people I know myself and from reading and the 356 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: first time I've spoken with Mike in person, so honored 357 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: to have to be doing so we want you to 358 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: get the grace results and and and again Mike trains 359 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: the top of the best of the best, people who 360 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: make their living doing it. And you know who I 361 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: had on Mike was Matt Fitzgerald. I don't know if 362 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: you're familiar, endurance guy sports nutritionists, and we're talking about 363 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: different diets and he was talking about how you know, 364 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: they will try any diet as long as it makes 365 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: them better, right, because if they don't win, they don't win. 366 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: If they don't win, especially triathletes, they're not gonna eat, 367 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: so they will literally do anything that helps them and 368 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: they're not doing any of that crazy stuff when it 369 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: comes to nutrition. Uh, and they'll try it for a 370 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: very short amount of time. If it doesn't work, they're 371 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: out right. And the same thing with exercise. You and 372 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: I want to get the greatest results, so we could 373 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: impress people with all of this fancy stuff, but it 374 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: comes down to the basics, and it comes down to 375 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: consistency and science. It does. I use the analogy all 376 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: the time with people. I say, if you only went 377 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: up five pounds a week, and you did that for 378 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: the entire year, you go up two our in sixty pounds. 379 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: So if you took that theory and said, like your son, 380 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna start them and let him squat the forty 381 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: five pound bar for ten reps, and all we're gonna 382 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: do is go up five pounds a week, he's gonna 383 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: squat five pounds for ten by the end of one year. 384 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: That's never gonna happen anyway. So what's the hard right 385 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: at my point is that there's no need to rush. 386 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: And I always I use all the same analogies. You know, 387 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: the tortoise in the air, so someone steady wins the race. Whatever, 388 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: however you want to look at it. It doesn't need 389 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: to be rapid, and it doesn't need to be to failure, 390 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: and it doesn't need to be as hard as you can. 391 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: It needs to be consistent. And if it's consistent over 392 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: a period of time, you'll make incredibly good benefits. And 393 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is, you know, I was otherwise it's 394 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: sort of two steps forward, one step back, or train, 395 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: do you get her, get her take time off? Train? 396 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: Do you get her get her take time off? And 397 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: it's amazing how many people cycle through that sort of 398 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: process in their training life. And I love that way. 399 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: And that goes to weight loss to everybody. When we 400 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: tell people one to two pounds a week, they say 401 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: that's not enough, and you go, well, that's fifty or 402 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: a hundred pounds in a year, right, and that's doable. 403 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, I use the term Mike all the time. 404 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: Excessive moderation. Right, it's not do a lot a little bit, 405 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: it's do a little bit a lot, and and that works, 406 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: but people don't want to hear that. You know, it's 407 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: the excess. We always exist on the extremes, right on 408 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: the pendulum when it comes to fit. Well. You know, 409 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: someone starts running and then I want to run a marathon? 410 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's it is we're constantly 411 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: that's the way we're taught to think, particularly in fitness. 412 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: You know, someone sort of like running, why don't run 413 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: a marathon? It's like I like running a mile? Why 414 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: would I run? Right? Right? But this is just the 415 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: way that we think in the fitness, real fitness. I mean, 416 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: we're so backward and so far behind, and and just 417 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: there are days when I feel like we're making progress, 418 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: and then all I need to do is like log 419 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: onto Instagram and I can realize that, God, we've got 420 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: well and I'm starting. You know what I love about 421 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: this show, Mike, As you said, it's a new way 422 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: for us to to interact and my God, to to 423 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: have you an interview and go back and forth. And 424 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: the disruption in fitness. I keep saying his information, it's 425 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: not the equipment, and you and I both work with 426 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: different fitness equipment companies, and and that's great. In technology, 427 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: it's amazing. We've never lived in a more exciting time. 428 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence, all that stuff. But if you don't believe 429 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: what you just said, that slow and steady wins the 430 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: race and all that kind of cliche stuff. I mean, 431 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: that's the comments I get for the show is Okham's razors. 432 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: Stop saying that it's not so easy, it's not about consistency, 433 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: and it is. It is said Okham's razor is absolutely true. 434 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, the simplest solution is most often the best. 435 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: I tell people the whole time. Come and watch us 436 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: train the best athletes in the world, and you might 437 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: come away and thinking it's a little it's a little vanilla, 438 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: it's a little boring, right, And again we can impress 439 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: them with all the other stuff. It's not like you 440 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: don't have that in your repertoire. Yeah. No, And and 441 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: the reality is, frost, we don't really want it, we 442 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: don't need it, We just need I always tell people 443 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: you need to get here on a consistent basis. You 444 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: need to not miss daigs. You need to and if 445 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: we do that, I will guarantee you the result at 446 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: the end. See and and you younger kids listening that 447 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: that is the secret there, it's consistency. I used to 448 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: say this exact same thing, like two clients just show 449 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: up and I trained one football player way back when 450 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: I didn't really specialize and that's more your area of expertise. 451 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: But it was five days a week, you know, pre collegiate. 452 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: And there were the days Mike where he showed up. 453 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: I took a look at them and ago, we're going 454 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: to eat. You know, we're not working out today. You 455 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: could just tell and that that's the difference, right is 456 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence can't really do that, and it's about showing up. 457 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: But it's about knowing when to pull back and that, 458 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: as you said, it's it's a long process. And people 459 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: don't want to give a time. I mean, let's be honest. 460 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: That's probably the number one reason rights people say. I 461 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: don't have time, but I also don't want to give 462 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: a time. Deef Olson Slight Edge is one of my 463 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: favorite books. And the first three principles in Slight Edge 464 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: principle want to show up. Principal to show up consistently. 465 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: Principal three, show up with a great attitude. And it's 466 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: so true if you just show up, it's like and 467 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm living it now by son, I having fourteen year 468 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: old and my fourtune year old is getting strong and 469 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: he's only getting strong because we lift year round. Clean 470 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: the hundred thirty five pounds for five the other day. 471 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: He's still fourteen years old. He can do five chin 472 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: ups with twenty five pounds. He can do you know 473 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: what I mean like, And it's strictly a function of 474 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: the fact that we lift consistent right, and then don't 475 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: miss days. I try to really make it so we're 476 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: not gonna miss a day. We miss the day we 477 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: make it up. And that fact I said, when he's 478 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, people will look at my son at 479 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: eighteen and be like, wow, that kid really strong and 480 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: really fast. And I'm gonna be like, yeah, but it's 481 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, this is like said, I'm the King of 482 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: Layman analogies. But it's like, you know, slow cooking. You 483 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: just want to slow cooking. When you slow cook meat, 484 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: it's really really good. But if you if you try 485 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: to cook something fast on the grills, sometimes you're like, 486 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: it's burned on both sides, it's raw in the middle. 487 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: It's really not not what I wanted. And you think, yeah, 488 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: because you've got to focus in on slow cooking. And 489 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: you know that when he's eighteen, they'll say I just 490 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: had really good genetics. Following he follows a Cooky had advantage, 491 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 1: but he's always in the gym, and they won't look 492 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: at the fact and think that you didn't miss days, 493 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: did miss workouts, that we were we adhered to the 494 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: really simple principles that that we need to adhere to. 495 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: That's awesome. And again it's it's about the work ethic 496 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: and it's it's not and I love that you you know, 497 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: we call them lamme analogies. But I always say, like 498 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: the secret to life and to fitness exists on Instagram. 499 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: Everyone posts the right things, they just don't apply them. 500 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: They just don't do them right. And it's the simple 501 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: stuff that works. So let's finish up this is simple, 502 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: but not so all these things. Box jumps, so you know, 503 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: now it's six foot high box jumps and you know, 504 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: jumping on, jumping off. What's your take you know on 505 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: the plyometric box jump for for the average person will 506 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: start there. Um, I've I've written a whole series of 507 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: blog posts that you've probably read, and the one I 508 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: called it the idiot Box. And and I refer to 509 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: the people that use the idiot box as skin donors. 510 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: Because the good thing is now the idiots can get bigger, softer, 511 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: boxes so they don't become necessarily skin donors. But we 512 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: used to see the kids all time who would jump 513 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: on the metal plow boxes on wood plow boxes, and 514 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: when they miss, they had huge pieces of their shin 515 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: out and up. I was called skin don'ut because there 516 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: are a couple of times where we literally walked away 517 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: with pieces of shin, you know, with the hair still 518 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: on it, and throw it to the trash can. And 519 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: eventually I got rid of all those boxes because I 520 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: was like everybody else, you know, we had thirty six 521 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: inch boxes and put the boxes on top of something 522 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: else that you know, we perform these stupid animal tricks 523 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: that you know, trying to see how high boxing could 524 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: get on What you realize is that the only thing 525 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: that matters is how far you center a mask, which means, 526 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: generally speaking, unless you have really exceptional athletes, thirty boxes 527 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: are gonna be high. In normal athletes, twenty four inch 528 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: boxes are gonna be fine. There's no need to have 529 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: anything higher than that, Because I said, when you get 530 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: what I call the frog landing, where you're on top 531 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: of the box and you look like a frog, you know, 532 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: your knees are up by your years and it's like 533 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: you didn't move you center mass all you did. All 534 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: you did was work your hip flexors and that's not 535 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: the goal. And I mean I saw one. I can't 536 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: think it was one of the baseball guys that like 537 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: signed the huge contracts. I which one it was, But 538 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: same thing like running fifty in box jump where they 539 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: had stacked up all these rebox steps and he's jumping 540 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: into the wall because they suck him against the walls 541 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: they wouldn't fall over. And this guy made three hundred 542 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: millions contracts, three hund million dollars and it was on 543 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: the guy's Instagram And I'm almost thinking, if you could 544 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: have tried to create a testimony to your own stupidity, 545 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: this would have been it like the monument that you 546 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: wrecked to yourself and on social media saying I'm an 547 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: absolute moron. Look what I did with a three million 548 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: dollar player price hopper. I think it was actually and 549 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: just astounding to me to look and think, how could 550 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: anyone do this? But again it's the same. It's like 551 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: run the marathon. Okay, you know box jump is good, 552 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: then the highest possible box jump is better and stupid, 553 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, contest that you're filming and just it's it's 554 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: the Instagram world too, right, I mean, that's a whole 555 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: another show too. That's one of the huge problems with this. 556 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: And I actually saw, like to your point, I'm not 557 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: going to name the well unknown Jim Chain higher End 558 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: to where they literally had a wooden box on the 559 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: second floor up against the window. So I assume it 560 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: couldn't have been there that long. So if you missed, 561 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: you're going out the window. I mean it was a 562 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: huge play glass window behind the box where people jump 563 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: it up. Now beautiful view, beautiful view, but you know, 564 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: probably not the smartest place. And I love that. I 565 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: meet people all the time and you look at their 566 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: shins as you're saying and you go, whoops, yeah, I 567 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: can't see how people I mean, as I said, the 568 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: fact that they've come out with the new uh soft 569 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: clile boxes were really a response to this stupid box 570 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: jumping yes, And the response wasn't let's do it right. 571 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: The response was, let's make the boxes soft. Yeah, right, right, 572 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: exactly right. So when you fail. And you know, obviously 573 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: the wooden boxers are less expensive, so more people can 574 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: put those in their gyms. But all right, so that's awesome, 575 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, right there, people Olympic lifts, there are time 576 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: and a place as many reps as possible. Mike, I 577 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: remember walking down into my gym again and it was 578 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: a push up contest the trainer and he said, uh, 579 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: you know you're a fitness guy, do do my push 580 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: up contest? And I go, no, I'm incapable of doing 581 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: a hundred bad ones, right, I can only do, you know, 582 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: the good form, and the guy who wins is not 583 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: going to do it with good form exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 584 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: all right, So there you go, Mike Boil like, seriously 585 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: go to uh strength coach dot com if you are 586 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: into fitness, if you really want the take on it 587 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: that it's just this. This is what this show is about. 588 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: It's science based, it's it's knowledge, it's application, it's simplifying 589 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: it down and this is a guy who trains the 590 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: best of the best. Again, my only problem with him 591 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: is the mostly Boston people, which you know, you gotta 592 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: get you down to New York. But Mike, thanks so much, 593 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: super helpful. You know so many of this these type 594 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: of things are going on the gym right now, and 595 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: if you want to be healthy and safe and maximize 596 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: your results follow his advice. So thanks so much for 597 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: taking the time. Like thanks, have a great day, and 598 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: we are back. I really hope you enjoyed that interview 599 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: with Mike Boyle. And again, if you if you have 600 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: issues with what he said, that's fine, that's awesome. I mean, 601 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: I know the reason I bring up this topic and 602 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: those specific exercises because so many people are doing them. 603 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: I get it. But I want you to be healthy, 604 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: and I want you to get the greatest results as 605 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: does Mike, with the least chance of getting injured. And again, 606 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: Mike Boile works with professional athletes who can't afford to 607 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: be injured, and he's that a really interesting thing is 608 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: And I don't really think about this until I started 609 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: thinking about this topic today for the show. And I've 610 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: obviously thought about this topic for a very long time, 611 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: but specifically when I thought about Mike and how he 612 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: works with professional athletes and how they and afford to 613 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: get hurt, and how yes, those many of you who 614 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: do these exercises in a certain way, listen, whatever makes 615 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: you happy. I'm never going to take that away from you. 616 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: I just don't want people to get hurt. I want 617 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: people to get the results they're looking for. But if 618 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: the results you're looking for is that feeling you get 619 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: from doing these exercises and you don't really care about 620 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: the potentially greater likelihood of injury, because that's true. People 621 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: you can argue with me too, you're blue in the face, 622 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: But that's science. That's just is And again, do whatever 623 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: you want to do. Will never take that away from 624 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: people to your choice exercise wise, you want to go 625 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, that's your choice. But we 626 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: talked about the science here because I want people who 627 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: maybe haven't started doing these type of exercises, are not 628 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: quite sure if they're doing them correctly, or they're not 629 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: quite sure why they're doing them. They've just been told 630 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: or they've seen it. I want you to have the 631 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: information to make educated decisions on what you're going to do. 632 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say this, this is my job. I've 633 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: done this for a really long time. I've studied it 634 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: for a really long time, and I get kind of 635 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: tired of people who haven't done either of those things 636 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: telling me exactly the way it is, with very little 637 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: to know science behind their arguments. I might best results 638 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: my clients were My greatest advertising injury free. And that's 639 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: not to say you're not going to have issues that 640 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: come on. Things happen, but things happen a lot more 641 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: frequently when you do certain things a certain way. That's 642 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: just the way it is. So anyway, whatever makes you happy, 643 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: that's fine. A lot of this is about stress reduction. 644 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it isn't you know. I got 645 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: friends to do two mile runs and run through Death 646 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: Valley and crazy stuff, and you know what I say 647 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: about that, They need that for their head. Listen, I 648 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: do some crazy races, but I'm injury free, and I 649 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: know when to pull back, and I know that I 650 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: do all the little things to help minimize my risk 651 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: of injury. And truthfully, especially in the last decade or so, 652 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of training for those races 653 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: are just long, slow days. But my point is the 654 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: friends and people who do some pretty extreme things they 655 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: need that psychologically. It's the whole Mother show, but I 656 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: get that. But let's call it what it is. Let's 657 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: call it what it is. There's certain things that carry 658 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: a certain increased likelihood of injury, and it is what 659 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: it is, and that's all. And as Mike said, you know, 660 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: cost benefit analysis, what's the risk reward? And that is 661 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: something I have followed myself for many years. When it 662 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: comes to exercise prescription, why choose an exercise that is 663 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: really likely if you do it long enough and incorrectly 664 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: enough to get your hurt? Because once you're hurt people, 665 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: the body has a tough time, especially as you get older, 666 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: going back to where it was. And I love his 667 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, I used the paper clip analogy. He uses 668 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: the credit card. I'm gonna switch to the credit card 669 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: because I like that visual too. Anyway, I hope you'll 670 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: learn something if it got you a little angry, question why? 671 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: Question why? And I'm not here to be liked obviously, 672 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm here to get your results. And when it comes 673 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: to fitness, if your trainer, your fitness professional, the person 674 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: you're getting your advice from, you never question it never 675 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: annoys you. I wonder, ask yourself, why is it confirmation bias? 676 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: Are you're just hanging out with the people who are 677 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: telling you what you want to hear. But I'm here 678 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: to learn and to use the science for myself, for you, 679 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: for my kids, for everybody. And I study guys like 680 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Mike Boyle because he makes me better, and better comes 681 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: with being uncomfortable regardless, and that's mentally and physically. But 682 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: holy cat was an amazing guy, such a just so 683 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: much great information. Uh and he's so passionate about what 684 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: he does. And that was the first time I've ever 685 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: spoken with him in person, following him for many, many years. 686 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: It's one of the coolest things about this show is 687 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: all of those people. And I had a couple of 688 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: radio shows over the years, but now I'm all of 689 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: these people that I followed, I'm talking to and bringing 690 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: to you, and that's awesome because he's making us all better. 691 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: That was Mike Boyle, just totally awesome, one of the 692 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: best of the best. Thank you for listening to the show. 693 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: Please rate it. I can take the comments. Listen. I 694 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: want to get better period and everything I do. Some 695 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: stuff I agree with, some stuff I don't. But please 696 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: rate the show. Please leave a comment. I would really 697 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Tell your friends, tell your family, let me 698 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: know what you want me to cover as well, and 699 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: thank you for listening. You know, it's it's hard bringing 700 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: up topics sometimes that I know are gonna polarize people, 701 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: but it's my job. I'm gonna bring it to you 702 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: from science unbiased. I'm gonna say things like, hey, do 703 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. That's fine, but I want 704 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: you to have the right information going in so you 705 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: can make the best choices possible. I am Tom Holland, 706 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: thank you for listening and believing yourself. Fitness Disrupted is 707 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from 708 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 709 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.