1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:22,676 Speaker 1: Pushkin. The Germans used to do this. They would charge 2 00:00:22,996 --> 00:00:27,236 Speaker 1: like ten thousand dollars for horsepower, you know, to get 3 00:00:27,276 --> 00:00:29,836 Speaker 1: the big engine. You'd have to spend sometimes double the 4 00:00:29,916 --> 00:00:32,196 Speaker 1: price of the car. And it was just come on, man, 5 00:00:32,556 --> 00:00:35,836 Speaker 1: Americans don't do that. Like you check a box on 6 00:00:35,956 --> 00:00:37,916 Speaker 1: your Chevy Nova and you get the big engine and 7 00:00:37,956 --> 00:00:42,716 Speaker 1: it's fifty bucks. And to me, that seems totally Unamericanand 8 00:00:42,956 --> 00:00:48,116 Speaker 1: used to tell me about those days. They predate me. 9 00:00:48,796 --> 00:00:51,476 Speaker 1: But I still think that value is a really big 10 00:00:51,516 --> 00:01:01,116 Speaker 1: part of the American vehicle equation. John Vulker is the 11 00:01:01,196 --> 00:01:04,876 Speaker 1: founding editor of a hybrid and electric car website, Green 12 00:01:04,996 --> 00:01:09,076 Speaker 1: Car Reports. He's also a frequent contributor to Car and Draw. 13 00:01:10,316 --> 00:01:12,476 Speaker 1: John has agreed to help me sort the wheat from 14 00:01:12,476 --> 00:01:15,356 Speaker 1: the chaff when it comes to electric vehicles, and his 15 00:01:15,516 --> 00:01:18,436 Speaker 1: thoughts on EVS are as well informed as they come. 16 00:01:22,036 --> 00:01:25,036 Speaker 1: On this special season of Car Show, we're putting cars 17 00:01:25,036 --> 00:01:29,196 Speaker 1: in four brackets to the test. This week it's EVS. 18 00:01:30,916 --> 00:01:33,676 Speaker 1: At the end of our series of highly subjective tests 19 00:01:33,676 --> 00:01:37,556 Speaker 1: and debates, we will crown a winner, the greatest award 20 00:01:37,596 --> 00:01:40,436 Speaker 1: in the history of this business, the Car Show Car 21 00:01:40,476 --> 00:01:51,716 Speaker 1: of the Year. I'm your host Eddie alternate. The four 22 00:01:51,756 --> 00:01:55,596 Speaker 1: cars in our EV bracket are as follows the five 23 00:01:55,716 --> 00:01:59,636 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty horsepower three hundred miles of range Ford 24 00:01:59,756 --> 00:02:03,756 Speaker 1: F one fifty Lightning, starting at fifty four thousand dollars 25 00:02:03,796 --> 00:02:08,956 Speaker 1: and escalating steeply from there. Then there's the BMWi four, 26 00:02:09,596 --> 00:02:13,716 Speaker 1: specifically in the five hundred and thirty six horsepower sixty 27 00:02:13,756 --> 00:02:17,436 Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars and fifty high performance trim with an 28 00:02:17,436 --> 00:02:20,876 Speaker 1: EPA range rating of two hundred and twenty seven miles. 29 00:02:22,836 --> 00:02:27,276 Speaker 1: Third up the Hyundai Ionic five, starting at forty three 30 00:02:27,316 --> 00:02:30,116 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and giving up to three hundred and twenty 31 00:02:30,156 --> 00:02:33,396 Speaker 1: horse power or three hundred and three miles of EPA 32 00:02:33,516 --> 00:02:38,716 Speaker 1: rated range. Finally, and this one's less expensive than you'd 33 00:02:38,756 --> 00:02:42,196 Speaker 1: guess from looking at it, the sixty three thousand dollars 34 00:02:42,276 --> 00:02:45,876 Speaker 1: Cadillac Lyric with its three hundred and forty horsepower and 35 00:02:45,996 --> 00:02:49,236 Speaker 1: three hundred and twelve miles of range in single motor guys, 36 00:02:50,556 --> 00:02:53,316 Speaker 1: and at the end of the episode will take you 37 00:02:53,356 --> 00:02:59,116 Speaker 1: for a drive in the winter, So stay tuned. Okay, 38 00:02:59,316 --> 00:03:11,716 Speaker 1: let's accelerate quickly. No sound, But first, a definition of 39 00:03:11,836 --> 00:03:14,836 Speaker 1: terms that are important for EV owners and even would 40 00:03:14,836 --> 00:03:19,596 Speaker 1: be ev owners. Well, probably the first one is kilowat hours. 41 00:03:21,236 --> 00:03:24,636 Speaker 1: A kilowatt hour is just a measure of energy, and 42 00:03:25,356 --> 00:03:30,276 Speaker 1: you can say a gallon of gasoline has roughly thirty 43 00:03:30,476 --> 00:03:36,716 Speaker 1: kilowat hours of energy in it. The car battery in 44 00:03:36,796 --> 00:03:40,156 Speaker 1: an electric car, a modern one, not a high end one, 45 00:03:40,236 --> 00:03:44,716 Speaker 1: but a modern electric car of VWID four or one 46 00:03:44,716 --> 00:03:49,316 Speaker 1: of the ones from Hyundai or Kia, etc. Has sixty 47 00:03:49,356 --> 00:03:52,596 Speaker 1: to seventy kilowat hours of energy. And my rule of 48 00:03:52,716 --> 00:03:56,636 Speaker 1: thumb has always been that on average, and of course 49 00:03:56,796 --> 00:03:59,636 Speaker 1: this depends on how you drive, how fast you drive, 50 00:04:00,036 --> 00:04:03,036 Speaker 1: what the temperature is, and so forth. You're looking at 51 00:04:03,076 --> 00:04:08,236 Speaker 1: about three miles of range per kilowat hour plus or minus. 52 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:12,596 Speaker 1: So you may see the statistic in the brochure or 53 00:04:12,716 --> 00:04:16,476 Speaker 1: online that says, okay, this car has sixty five kilo 54 00:04:16,516 --> 00:04:20,316 Speaker 1: one hours of usable energy in its battery. Well, what 55 00:04:20,436 --> 00:04:23,916 Speaker 1: does that mean? Basically multiplied by three and you get 56 00:04:23,956 --> 00:04:27,676 Speaker 1: to that car having two hundred or more miles of range. 57 00:04:28,156 --> 00:04:35,436 Speaker 1: So the next one is EPA range. Like gasoline cars, 58 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:42,076 Speaker 1: the EPA has effectively an efficiency rating for these cars, 59 00:04:42,476 --> 00:04:46,556 Speaker 1: and it's the same metrics as a gasoline car. It's 60 00:04:47,196 --> 00:04:52,396 Speaker 1: roughly half and half urban and highway now on electric 61 00:04:52,436 --> 00:04:58,756 Speaker 1: car because there's so much more efficient. Highway miles takes 62 00:04:58,756 --> 00:05:03,876 Speaker 1: a bigger hit on range because you're pushing airside. So 63 00:05:04,156 --> 00:05:08,316 Speaker 1: driving around town the range is much higher the EPA 64 00:05:08,476 --> 00:05:11,516 Speaker 1: range driving on the highways. If you do nothing but 65 00:05:11,596 --> 00:05:13,596 Speaker 1: seventy five miles an hour on the highway for the 66 00:05:13,596 --> 00:05:16,636 Speaker 1: whole battery, you won't get that range. The EPA range 67 00:05:17,036 --> 00:05:20,676 Speaker 1: is an average, and so you know a conventional internal 68 00:05:20,676 --> 00:05:23,436 Speaker 1: combustion car is going to get better highway mileage than 69 00:05:23,476 --> 00:05:26,636 Speaker 1: it does in the city. A battery electric will get 70 00:05:26,676 --> 00:05:29,956 Speaker 1: better mileage in the city, and it does on the highway. Well, 71 00:05:30,036 --> 00:05:31,836 Speaker 1: what I like to point out is that part of 72 00:05:31,836 --> 00:05:35,716 Speaker 1: it with a gasoline car is that they're enormously inefficient, 73 00:05:35,756 --> 00:05:38,556 Speaker 1: so they waste about three quarters of all that energy 74 00:05:38,596 --> 00:05:42,236 Speaker 1: in your gasoline. If you took the energy in a 75 00:05:42,276 --> 00:05:45,556 Speaker 1: twelve gallon tank of gasoline, which is about average, and 76 00:05:45,716 --> 00:05:49,476 Speaker 1: put it in an electric car, because battery cars are 77 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:51,756 Speaker 1: so much more efficient, you'd have over a thousand miles 78 00:05:51,756 --> 00:05:55,116 Speaker 1: of range. You get three hundred in that gas car 79 00:05:55,116 --> 00:05:57,996 Speaker 1: because seventy five percent of that energy gets wasted as 80 00:05:58,036 --> 00:06:01,716 Speaker 1: heat or noise. Gotcha, And let's talk about charging for 81 00:06:01,756 --> 00:06:06,476 Speaker 1: a second. The new sort of buzzword is eight hundred 82 00:06:06,596 --> 00:06:12,116 Speaker 1: volt architecture. What does an eight hundred volt architecture mean 83 00:06:12,196 --> 00:06:15,676 Speaker 1: and why is it important? In one sentence, it means 84 00:06:15,716 --> 00:06:23,356 Speaker 1: that your battery pack can charge at twice the voltage 85 00:06:24,076 --> 00:06:27,516 Speaker 1: of the four hundred vold architecture that's been standard pretty 86 00:06:27,596 --> 00:06:30,276 Speaker 1: much for all high voltage packs since the first Toyota 87 00:06:30,276 --> 00:06:34,356 Speaker 1: Prius plus or minus. So you get reduced charging time 88 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:39,556 Speaker 1: in part because of reduced internal resistance. However, the reason 89 00:06:39,596 --> 00:06:43,076 Speaker 1: that not everybody has done this is because it was 90 00:06:43,196 --> 00:06:47,716 Speaker 1: a brand new concept five years ago. There isn't the 91 00:06:47,796 --> 00:06:50,796 Speaker 1: parts infrastructure out there that automakers can go to and 92 00:06:50,836 --> 00:06:52,876 Speaker 1: say I need an electric air conditioner and so on, 93 00:06:53,676 --> 00:06:57,276 Speaker 1: and you have to have more powerful charging stations to 94 00:06:57,396 --> 00:07:01,036 Speaker 1: take advantage of that. So it's really the kil awot 95 00:07:01,116 --> 00:07:05,836 Speaker 1: rate that is the speed at which you can charge 96 00:07:06,236 --> 00:07:11,196 Speaker 1: that shoppers buyers should pay attention into. So what's sort 97 00:07:11,236 --> 00:07:13,676 Speaker 1: of the state of our charging time? Like how long 98 00:07:13,716 --> 00:07:17,356 Speaker 1: should it take to get from twenty percent charge to 99 00:07:17,796 --> 00:07:21,076 Speaker 1: eighty or ninety percent charge? Like what are the fastest 100 00:07:21,156 --> 00:07:25,716 Speaker 1: charging cars doing on the hottest rigs? Well, we have 101 00:07:26,156 --> 00:07:30,036 Speaker 1: the Porsche Taikon, and then a couple of new evis 102 00:07:30,076 --> 00:07:34,796 Speaker 1: from Hundai and Kia and Genesis. And note to shoppers, 103 00:07:34,956 --> 00:07:38,156 Speaker 1: you will see carmakers quote times for ten to eighty 104 00:07:38,196 --> 00:07:43,516 Speaker 1: percent or fifteen to eighty percent. They are under optimal circumstances, 105 00:07:43,516 --> 00:07:46,836 Speaker 1: the right temperature, a battery pack that's already warmed up 106 00:07:46,876 --> 00:07:49,996 Speaker 1: so it can take energy, and so on. But to 107 00:07:50,236 --> 00:07:53,116 Speaker 1: get from ten to eighty percent of a pack, which 108 00:07:53,276 --> 00:07:57,156 Speaker 1: may be as much as two hundred more miles, it 109 00:07:57,236 --> 00:08:01,276 Speaker 1: could be as little as eighteen minutes as compared to say, 110 00:08:01,596 --> 00:08:05,196 Speaker 1: half an hour or forty minutes for one hundred and 111 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:09,916 Speaker 1: fifty kilowat charging, maybe even more depending on Again, Watson 112 00:08:09,996 --> 00:08:14,316 Speaker 1: asked Risks, gotcha, Well, let's move into the cars themselves. 113 00:08:14,356 --> 00:08:20,636 Speaker 1: Now that's the short version of one hundred eight slide presentation. Well, 114 00:08:20,636 --> 00:08:25,676 Speaker 1: we'll do that way. That'll be a detours episode. The 115 00:08:25,716 --> 00:08:28,716 Speaker 1: first TV we're going to discuss is the electrified version 116 00:08:28,756 --> 00:08:31,756 Speaker 1: of the four f one fifty full size pickup truck. 117 00:08:36,076 --> 00:08:40,596 Speaker 1: So let's start with the biggie. The biggest news probably 118 00:08:40,876 --> 00:08:44,876 Speaker 1: in the category since the Tesla models, and that is 119 00:08:45,556 --> 00:08:48,916 Speaker 1: the Ford F one fifty Lightning. Now, the Ford f 120 00:08:48,996 --> 00:08:52,796 Speaker 1: one fifty. The truck is sort of a car company 121 00:08:52,956 --> 00:08:56,116 Speaker 1: unto itself. They sell more of these things than any 122 00:08:56,156 --> 00:09:00,756 Speaker 1: other vehicle in the US, and so there's room within 123 00:09:01,716 --> 00:09:06,996 Speaker 1: the f one fifty universe four things like a raptor 124 00:09:07,556 --> 00:09:11,116 Speaker 1: four things like a lightning, because there's no real average 125 00:09:11,156 --> 00:09:14,996 Speaker 1: flyn fifty buyer. And so I found it's sort of 126 00:09:14,996 --> 00:09:19,996 Speaker 1: fascinating brand management that they decided to go into a 127 00:09:20,116 --> 00:09:24,156 Speaker 1: category that's historically, you know, the average American truck buyers 128 00:09:24,676 --> 00:09:29,476 Speaker 1: historically a little hostile to evs, and they like towing capability, 129 00:09:29,556 --> 00:09:32,036 Speaker 1: and they like big vas and stuff like that. So 130 00:09:32,356 --> 00:09:36,316 Speaker 1: I found it really interesting to see Ford make this move. 131 00:09:36,676 --> 00:09:40,076 Speaker 1: And what happened was they're getting new sorts of buyers. 132 00:09:40,076 --> 00:09:42,876 Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of women buyers. They're really over 133 00:09:42,956 --> 00:09:46,516 Speaker 1: indexing on women buyers because a lot of women buyers 134 00:09:46,556 --> 00:09:49,636 Speaker 1: claim that they hate gas stations, they feel vulnerable there, 135 00:09:49,996 --> 00:09:52,236 Speaker 1: and so they'd rather charge this thing at home. So 136 00:09:53,356 --> 00:09:56,596 Speaker 1: really really interesting vehicle. What's your take on the fund 137 00:09:56,636 --> 00:10:01,596 Speaker 1: fifty Lightning. I think it's fascinating that Ford decided to 138 00:10:01,636 --> 00:10:05,916 Speaker 1: go that way after introducing their first real EV, the 139 00:10:06,036 --> 00:10:11,956 Speaker 1: Mustang Makie. They dived right into their crown jewel line. 140 00:10:11,516 --> 00:10:15,116 Speaker 1: The F series line makes for a prodigious amount of 141 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:18,596 Speaker 1: money and they make a million ish of them every year. 142 00:10:19,716 --> 00:10:23,956 Speaker 1: The fact that they were able to make an F 143 00:10:24,156 --> 00:10:29,676 Speaker 1: one fifty that is both a believable F one fifty truck, 144 00:10:30,756 --> 00:10:33,396 Speaker 1: and if I heard one thing in the launch over 145 00:10:33,476 --> 00:10:37,836 Speaker 1: and over, it was it can't be weird. They've made 146 00:10:37,836 --> 00:10:39,716 Speaker 1: a truck that isn't weird. You look at it and 147 00:10:39,756 --> 00:10:43,476 Speaker 1: you go, yep, that's an F one fifty. But it 148 00:10:43,556 --> 00:10:48,556 Speaker 1: has an electric powertrain, It has range that is real 149 00:10:48,756 --> 00:10:53,396 Speaker 1: and reasonable for the way Americans use. They have towing capability, 150 00:10:54,156 --> 00:10:58,556 Speaker 1: but most important, it is in many ways a better 151 00:10:59,076 --> 00:11:02,516 Speaker 1: F one fifty than anything else in the line. It 152 00:11:02,556 --> 00:11:06,276 Speaker 1: has the is it called the power front Mega trunk? 153 00:11:06,356 --> 00:11:08,836 Speaker 1: I forget they have some brand name for this. CHI 154 00:11:09,196 --> 00:11:12,596 Speaker 1: thought the front. Actually I avoid using the F word, 155 00:11:12,676 --> 00:11:17,236 Speaker 1: but as you wish, but this, you know, open the 156 00:11:17,236 --> 00:11:20,876 Speaker 1: hood and there's this gigantic space that's lockable so you 157 00:11:20,876 --> 00:11:23,036 Speaker 1: can put tools in it that you can't leave in 158 00:11:23,076 --> 00:11:26,996 Speaker 1: the bed. And it has all independent suspension, so it 159 00:11:27,116 --> 00:11:29,876 Speaker 1: rides far better than any other F one fifty And 160 00:11:30,236 --> 00:11:33,356 Speaker 1: people don't look at you weird because it's not a 161 00:11:33,476 --> 00:11:38,956 Speaker 1: weird truck. And there are ancillaries to being a large 162 00:11:38,956 --> 00:11:42,956 Speaker 1: battery pack on wheels, like you can power your house again, 163 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:46,276 Speaker 1: a lot of asterisks there. But Ford, I think was 164 00:11:46,316 --> 00:11:51,756 Speaker 1: really surprised how much people took to this notion of oh, 165 00:11:51,796 --> 00:11:55,596 Speaker 1: if I have an EV, I actually have backup energy 166 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:59,516 Speaker 1: as a swap out for my Honda generator. And I 167 00:11:59,596 --> 00:12:01,996 Speaker 1: know some of you in Michigan have told me fairly 168 00:12:02,036 --> 00:12:04,436 Speaker 1: frequently that the power goes off there. I have the 169 00:12:04,476 --> 00:12:07,676 Speaker 1: same problem up the mountain and the Catskills. And so 170 00:12:08,116 --> 00:12:11,756 Speaker 1: that's a material benefit of an EV that doesn't come 171 00:12:12,156 --> 00:12:16,836 Speaker 1: from a gasoline vehicle. So they have not only made 172 00:12:16,836 --> 00:12:21,916 Speaker 1: an F one fifty that is electric believable and desirable, 173 00:12:23,636 --> 00:12:26,876 Speaker 1: they have gotten a bucket load of people buying them, 174 00:12:27,396 --> 00:12:32,716 Speaker 1: and the new buyers some of their existing buyers. But fleets, 175 00:12:33,516 --> 00:12:38,236 Speaker 1: because the lifetime cost per mile of an electric vehicle 176 00:12:38,436 --> 00:12:42,996 Speaker 1: is so much lower than gasoline and especially diesel, that 177 00:12:43,116 --> 00:12:45,916 Speaker 1: a lot of fleets are looking hard and saying, you 178 00:12:45,956 --> 00:12:48,716 Speaker 1: know what, No, for the truck that goes from San 179 00:12:48,716 --> 00:12:52,996 Speaker 1: Francisco to New Orleans can't do electric right now. But 180 00:12:53,796 --> 00:12:57,356 Speaker 1: all of our local fleets think a utility truck or something. 181 00:12:57,836 --> 00:13:01,436 Speaker 1: All of those they know how long they drive. The 182 00:13:01,516 --> 00:13:05,036 Speaker 1: F one fifty electric is perfect there, and Ford has 183 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:10,036 Speaker 1: been swamped with demand. Oh yeah, we're going forty five 184 00:13:10,076 --> 00:13:13,036 Speaker 1: miles in a day. There's so much excess capacity in 185 00:13:13,076 --> 00:13:17,836 Speaker 1: that battery, you know, and that energy cost versus gas 186 00:13:17,876 --> 00:13:20,116 Speaker 1: in that scenario or a lot a lot lower. But 187 00:13:20,156 --> 00:13:22,476 Speaker 1: it must be said that if you want to buy 188 00:13:22,476 --> 00:13:25,916 Speaker 1: the big battery pack in this F one fifty, it's 189 00:13:25,956 --> 00:13:29,436 Speaker 1: really expensive. It's like another ten grand. We had one 190 00:13:30,156 --> 00:13:33,436 Speaker 1: here to test and it was ninety four thousand dollars. 191 00:13:33,516 --> 00:13:36,196 Speaker 1: And if I'm going to spend ninety about the price 192 00:13:36,236 --> 00:13:39,516 Speaker 1: of a King Ranch, right, yeah, but the King Ranch 193 00:13:39,636 --> 00:13:42,356 Speaker 1: doesn't have that play school interior. You know. That's like 194 00:13:42,876 --> 00:13:45,956 Speaker 1: you know, off gassing, and it's the interior on these 195 00:13:46,156 --> 00:13:48,956 Speaker 1: on these vehicles is like not a ninety four thousand 196 00:13:48,956 --> 00:13:52,956 Speaker 1: dollars interior. And you know, I think four interiors are 197 00:13:52,996 --> 00:13:56,556 Speaker 1: a real week point. And I would be pissed if 198 00:13:56,596 --> 00:14:00,116 Speaker 1: I spent ninety four grand on an F one fifty 199 00:14:00,156 --> 00:14:04,156 Speaker 1: and I had that you know, like lego style interior 200 00:14:04,196 --> 00:14:06,676 Speaker 1: that they got going there. I'm curious to see overtime 201 00:14:06,796 --> 00:14:09,636 Speaker 1: the knicks of truck buyers who by it for the 202 00:14:09,676 --> 00:14:13,916 Speaker 1: cool points, the advanced technology, you know, first electric truck 203 00:14:13,916 --> 00:14:17,676 Speaker 1: in their subdivision, that kind of thing, and how many 204 00:14:17,956 --> 00:14:22,036 Speaker 1: expect luxury commends rate with the price point in a 205 00:14:22,116 --> 00:14:27,156 Speaker 1: gasoline car. Tesla was able to do it. Ford arguably 206 00:14:27,436 --> 00:14:30,756 Speaker 1: may be able to translate that into the truck world too. 207 00:14:30,796 --> 00:14:33,716 Speaker 1: We'll see, Yeah, there's a lot of will see and 208 00:14:34,436 --> 00:14:36,876 Speaker 1: we'll see what the second buyer set is for that 209 00:14:36,956 --> 00:14:40,156 Speaker 1: if they continue to really go gangbusters or if there's 210 00:14:40,196 --> 00:14:42,476 Speaker 1: just a lot of excitement about it. But you know, 211 00:14:42,516 --> 00:14:45,636 Speaker 1: the interesting thing about evs is when you drive a 212 00:14:45,636 --> 00:14:48,076 Speaker 1: lot of them back to back, you sort of get 213 00:14:48,076 --> 00:14:51,956 Speaker 1: the feeling that the ones you're driving are essentially obsolete 214 00:14:52,076 --> 00:14:56,236 Speaker 1: because the next generation of the vehicle that you're driving 215 00:14:56,316 --> 00:14:58,636 Speaker 1: is going to have more range, it's going to charge 216 00:14:58,676 --> 00:15:02,596 Speaker 1: more quickly, so you're still on the sort of sharp 217 00:15:02,716 --> 00:15:06,316 Speaker 1: part of the curve with a lot of EV tech, 218 00:15:06,516 --> 00:15:08,836 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. You know, the analogy is 219 00:15:09,156 --> 00:15:12,236 Speaker 1: where between a conventional automobile and a phone. I think 220 00:15:12,276 --> 00:15:15,996 Speaker 1: how often we replace our phones. But it is my 221 00:15:16,236 --> 00:15:20,956 Speaker 1: hope that some of that advance comes if and when 222 00:15:20,996 --> 00:15:24,636 Speaker 1: the car industry stabilizes after the shortages resolve, and we've 223 00:15:24,676 --> 00:15:27,996 Speaker 1: been saying this for three years now, that some of 224 00:15:28,036 --> 00:15:30,036 Speaker 1: that advance will be used to bring the price down 225 00:15:31,516 --> 00:15:34,556 Speaker 1: so that in fact, instead of sort of a I 226 00:15:34,596 --> 00:15:37,476 Speaker 1: don't know, fifty thousand dollars average or something for an EV, 227 00:15:37,996 --> 00:15:42,236 Speaker 1: it might be thirty five. And certainly GM has aspirations 228 00:15:42,316 --> 00:15:47,116 Speaker 1: toward that. We'll see when and how it happens. Before 229 00:15:47,116 --> 00:15:49,316 Speaker 1: we get to the GM product, I want to talk 230 00:15:49,316 --> 00:15:52,956 Speaker 1: about another vehicle that I found super great, super interesting, 231 00:15:53,276 --> 00:15:57,476 Speaker 1: and another sort of under the radar EV if you will. 232 00:16:01,276 --> 00:16:05,996 Speaker 1: That would be the BMWi four electric sedan, available in 233 00:16:06,076 --> 00:16:09,556 Speaker 1: two single motor rear wheel drive trims that E Drive 234 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:13,196 Speaker 1: thirty five and the E Drive forty, and one dual 235 00:16:13,276 --> 00:16:16,636 Speaker 1: motor all wheel drive trim, my favorite I four, the 236 00:16:16,916 --> 00:16:31,196 Speaker 1: M fifty. That's when we come back. The BMW I 237 00:16:31,556 --> 00:16:37,156 Speaker 1: four exists within the body of the BMW four series 238 00:16:37,196 --> 00:16:40,076 Speaker 1: Grand coupe, so it looks just like a sort of 239 00:16:40,116 --> 00:16:44,716 Speaker 1: normal four door coupe whatever that means that BMW makes. 240 00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:49,876 Speaker 1: But this thing is proof that all the great engineers 241 00:16:49,916 --> 00:16:53,996 Speaker 1: of BMW have been transferred to their electric vehicles because 242 00:16:53,996 --> 00:16:56,876 Speaker 1: this thing is it rides better than an M three, 243 00:16:56,996 --> 00:17:01,356 Speaker 1: it's quicker than an M three in the M forty trim, 244 00:17:01,356 --> 00:17:03,596 Speaker 1: and it gets decent range. In this car I think 245 00:17:03,756 --> 00:17:06,916 Speaker 1: is so well executed and so great it makes me 246 00:17:06,956 --> 00:17:11,556 Speaker 1: like BMW's again. What's what's your take on the I four? Historically, 247 00:17:11,676 --> 00:17:16,676 Speaker 1: BMW's interesting because their first EV was this massively complicated, 248 00:17:16,836 --> 00:17:21,876 Speaker 1: highly engineered, extremely efficient car that Americans never really wanted 249 00:17:21,876 --> 00:17:27,796 Speaker 1: to buy, which is a small hatchback the three, based 250 00:17:27,836 --> 00:17:30,236 Speaker 1: on the bet the batteries were going to stay expensive forever. 251 00:17:30,996 --> 00:17:34,116 Speaker 1: That turned out to be absolutely not true. BMW in 252 00:17:34,196 --> 00:17:37,836 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen totally corrected and said right, no more specialized 253 00:17:37,876 --> 00:17:41,556 Speaker 1: cars were just going to make it as a power train. 254 00:17:41,996 --> 00:17:45,396 Speaker 1: It may have a battery, but otherwise it's totally, completely, 255 00:17:46,076 --> 00:17:52,476 Speaker 1: absolutely just like your gasoline car. Other makers from other 256 00:17:52,516 --> 00:17:56,116 Speaker 1: places don't do that so much necessarily. I like the 257 00:17:56,196 --> 00:18:00,156 Speaker 1: I four For whatever reason, I found it much more 258 00:18:00,196 --> 00:18:05,716 Speaker 1: convincing as an EV in its higher end two motor trim, 259 00:18:05,796 --> 00:18:10,156 Speaker 1: the fifty, rather than the forty. Maybe it's because I've 260 00:18:10,236 --> 00:18:16,876 Speaker 1: driven so many evs. The forty didn't feel significantly better 261 00:18:16,916 --> 00:18:19,636 Speaker 1: than a bunch of sort of midrange evs to me, 262 00:18:19,756 --> 00:18:25,356 Speaker 1: But the fifty was clearly the BMW you mentioned single 263 00:18:25,356 --> 00:18:28,116 Speaker 1: motor versus dual motor. If you want to make an 264 00:18:28,156 --> 00:18:31,676 Speaker 1: EV all wheel drive, you just put a motor on 265 00:18:31,716 --> 00:18:35,676 Speaker 1: an axle, right, So these ifs are rear wheel drive, 266 00:18:35,916 --> 00:18:39,156 Speaker 1: rear motored vehicles in their kind of entry level forms, 267 00:18:39,196 --> 00:18:42,516 Speaker 1: the thirty five and the forty, and then you make 268 00:18:42,556 --> 00:18:45,396 Speaker 1: it all wheel drive by putting another motor on the 269 00:18:45,436 --> 00:18:50,516 Speaker 1: front axle. Absolutely convenient. And it actually one piece of 270 00:18:50,556 --> 00:18:53,836 Speaker 1: trivia which I'll keep to one sentence, is there's an 271 00:18:53,876 --> 00:18:57,236 Speaker 1: EV coming out that has a front wheel drive version, 272 00:18:57,476 --> 00:19:00,756 Speaker 1: a rear oil drive version, and an all wheel drive version. 273 00:19:00,916 --> 00:19:04,356 Speaker 1: You can put the motor on either both ends, and 274 00:19:04,636 --> 00:19:08,036 Speaker 1: there are reasons for doing each of those things. Evs 275 00:19:08,076 --> 00:19:11,156 Speaker 1: are interesting because people are rearranging the shape of the 276 00:19:11,276 --> 00:19:16,076 Speaker 1: car and taking advantage of the smaller power train with 277 00:19:16,236 --> 00:19:18,516 Speaker 1: a battery under the cabin. Or some of them are 278 00:19:18,756 --> 00:19:23,156 Speaker 1: BMW is not BMW has the exact same proportions as 279 00:19:23,156 --> 00:19:31,396 Speaker 1: the gasoline car, but I like the I four the 280 00:19:31,396 --> 00:19:34,796 Speaker 1: The German approach to evs has been interesting because they 281 00:19:34,836 --> 00:19:37,316 Speaker 1: were really late to the game, so were the Americans, 282 00:19:37,436 --> 00:19:42,076 Speaker 1: but there were some some expeditions on the American side, 283 00:19:42,636 --> 00:19:45,636 Speaker 1: with the exception of Tesla, but that's its own show, 284 00:19:45,636 --> 00:19:50,676 Speaker 1: if not its own series. Oh yeah, absolutely, But no, 285 00:19:50,756 --> 00:19:53,876 Speaker 1: it's a great driver. It does what a BMW should 286 00:19:53,916 --> 00:19:58,396 Speaker 1: do and has the benefit of being really quiet, silky smooth, 287 00:19:59,396 --> 00:20:02,076 Speaker 1: just all the things that you want a luxury car 288 00:20:02,116 --> 00:20:07,196 Speaker 1: to do. Low noise, very very quick acceleration. You know, 289 00:20:07,596 --> 00:20:11,556 Speaker 1: luxury and performance are sort of intertwined now in the 290 00:20:11,636 --> 00:20:15,556 Speaker 1: public mind, I think the buying mind and the ipord 291 00:20:15,636 --> 00:20:19,556 Speaker 1: does that really really well? Agreed. Yeah, you know, you 292 00:20:19,596 --> 00:20:22,956 Speaker 1: also raised a good point about the package itself, Like 293 00:20:23,436 --> 00:20:26,556 Speaker 1: you don't have big engine up front with a transmission 294 00:20:26,716 --> 00:20:31,676 Speaker 1: attached to it, the battery, the energy storage is really 295 00:20:31,676 --> 00:20:35,676 Speaker 1: in the floor and situated between the axles, so you 296 00:20:35,716 --> 00:20:38,916 Speaker 1: have this really nice low center of gravity height that's 297 00:20:38,996 --> 00:20:42,836 Speaker 1: great physically for the car. It helps it handle really 298 00:20:42,876 --> 00:20:49,836 Speaker 1: really well. So the sort of packaging scenario, the envelope 299 00:20:49,836 --> 00:20:51,596 Speaker 1: of the car, even though it might be the same, 300 00:20:52,236 --> 00:20:57,076 Speaker 1: is really really different underneath, and that allows certain manufacturers 301 00:20:57,076 --> 00:21:00,116 Speaker 1: to really play with it because if all your energy 302 00:21:00,156 --> 00:21:02,316 Speaker 1: storage is in the flour and you have these two 303 00:21:03,636 --> 00:21:07,356 Speaker 1: motors on the axles, you can change the interior dimensions 304 00:21:07,356 --> 00:21:10,276 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. You can play with the space and 305 00:21:10,316 --> 00:21:13,556 Speaker 1: the proportion of the thing. And the next vehicle I 306 00:21:13,596 --> 00:21:16,156 Speaker 1: want to talk about, I think, does that really really well. 307 00:21:18,396 --> 00:21:21,916 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Hyundai Ionic five. And there are 308 00:21:21,916 --> 00:21:25,756 Speaker 1: three ways to get it. Single motor rear drive format, 309 00:21:26,556 --> 00:21:29,836 Speaker 1: two motor all wheel drive trim, or with the long 310 00:21:29,956 --> 00:21:33,196 Speaker 1: range single motor setup good for more than three hundred 311 00:21:33,276 --> 00:21:38,316 Speaker 1: miles on a full charge. Now, if you look at 312 00:21:38,316 --> 00:21:40,996 Speaker 1: it in pictures, it looks like it's the size of 313 00:21:40,996 --> 00:21:43,836 Speaker 1: a VW Golf. And I think vehicles that are really 314 00:21:43,876 --> 00:21:47,876 Speaker 1: really well proportioned look smaller in photos than they do 315 00:21:47,956 --> 00:21:52,276 Speaker 1: in real life. And conversely, vehicles with bad proportions, bad 316 00:21:52,276 --> 00:21:56,316 Speaker 1: stylistic proportions look bigger in photos than they do in 317 00:21:56,356 --> 00:22:01,556 Speaker 1: real life. So this Hyundai Ionic five, this thing has 318 00:22:01,556 --> 00:22:05,316 Speaker 1: a wheelbase that's larger than the Palisade three row suv. 319 00:22:05,796 --> 00:22:09,316 Speaker 1: It looks like a small compact, but it's really really 320 00:22:09,356 --> 00:22:12,716 Speaker 1: interestingly packaged, and it's styled in a really really cool way. 321 00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:15,276 Speaker 1: It sort of looks like if you know, the launch 322 00:22:15,316 --> 00:22:19,876 Speaker 1: a Delta integrally hatchback from your it looks like a 323 00:22:19,916 --> 00:22:23,996 Speaker 1: Minecraft version of that. It's sort of like a it 324 00:22:24,036 --> 00:22:26,476 Speaker 1: was sort of the future we were promised in the eighties, 325 00:22:26,596 --> 00:22:29,476 Speaker 1: you know, very very cool sort of eight bits styling, 326 00:22:30,716 --> 00:22:33,916 Speaker 1: really really tremendous road presence. When you see this thing 327 00:22:33,916 --> 00:22:35,756 Speaker 1: in the road, like what the hell is at and 328 00:22:35,836 --> 00:22:38,556 Speaker 1: it's big inside, and it's quick, and it's got that 329 00:22:39,036 --> 00:22:43,276 Speaker 1: eight hundred volt charging architecture that we talked about earlier. 330 00:22:43,556 --> 00:22:45,996 Speaker 1: This thing, to me is just such a home run 331 00:22:46,476 --> 00:22:50,236 Speaker 1: all the way around, even if the interior, in keeping 332 00:22:50,276 --> 00:22:54,116 Speaker 1: with the eighties theme, looks like one of those cubical firms. 333 00:22:54,716 --> 00:22:57,716 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think the interior is quite that bad, 334 00:22:57,756 --> 00:22:59,956 Speaker 1: but you drive a lot more high end cars than 335 00:22:59,996 --> 00:23:03,716 Speaker 1: I do. Let's got that like, you know, that grayish 336 00:23:03,796 --> 00:23:06,516 Speaker 1: fabric and it just sort of looks like you're you're 337 00:23:06,556 --> 00:23:10,436 Speaker 1: working for IBM. Well, there is there is this trope that, oh, 338 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:13,476 Speaker 1: you're driving electric car, it has no emission, so you 339 00:23:13,516 --> 00:23:17,036 Speaker 1: have to use all sustainable materials, and a lot of 340 00:23:17,356 --> 00:23:21,276 Speaker 1: a lot of vehicles, regardless of electric or gasoline, do 341 00:23:21,396 --> 00:23:26,476 Speaker 1: actually use sustainable materials? Gotcha? Now you hear a lot 342 00:23:26,516 --> 00:23:31,396 Speaker 1: of EV skeptics say, well, yeah, the cars themselves are 343 00:23:31,516 --> 00:23:35,836 Speaker 1: zero emissions, but the round trip on the energy is 344 00:23:35,836 --> 00:23:39,676 Speaker 1: pretty dirty because in this country, two thirds of our 345 00:23:40,516 --> 00:23:44,516 Speaker 1: electricity is produced from coal or natural gas. So if 346 00:23:44,516 --> 00:23:48,796 Speaker 1: you're driving the EV, you're driving a coal or natural 347 00:23:48,796 --> 00:23:52,156 Speaker 1: gas powered car two thirds of the time. We call 348 00:23:52,276 --> 00:23:56,556 Speaker 1: this the coal tailpipe argument. It is categorically false. And 349 00:23:56,676 --> 00:24:00,396 Speaker 1: here's why. In the US, with the latest data from 350 00:24:00,436 --> 00:24:04,676 Speaker 1: the Department of Energy, coal is only twenty percent of 351 00:24:04,716 --> 00:24:09,196 Speaker 1: our generation mix, and it is being replaced by a 352 00:24:09,276 --> 00:24:13,516 Speaker 1: mix of renewables or far far, far more efficient and 353 00:24:13,516 --> 00:24:19,076 Speaker 1: lower carbon natural gas generation. Even on the dirtiest grid 354 00:24:19,236 --> 00:24:22,596 Speaker 1: in North America. An electric car has the carbon footprint 355 00:24:22,636 --> 00:24:26,596 Speaker 1: of a forty mile per gallon passenger car, and you 356 00:24:26,636 --> 00:24:29,396 Speaker 1: will notice that we sell very few of those these days. Yeah, 357 00:24:29,436 --> 00:24:32,836 Speaker 1: that's true, but that's not exactly apples to apples, because 358 00:24:32,876 --> 00:24:38,876 Speaker 1: the well to wheel on an EV includes the mining energy, 359 00:24:39,876 --> 00:24:44,756 Speaker 1: which is significant and done properly. Those wells to wheels 360 00:24:44,756 --> 00:24:48,876 Speaker 1: comparisons include not only the energy, but also the manufacturing 361 00:24:48,916 --> 00:24:52,876 Speaker 1: burden of the car. So an EV definitely has more 362 00:24:52,996 --> 00:24:57,516 Speaker 1: what they call embedded carbon to build it, but that 363 00:24:57,836 --> 00:25:02,996 Speaker 1: is fairly quickly offset depending on the vehicle, how big 364 00:25:02,996 --> 00:25:06,636 Speaker 1: its battery is and so forth. It's from fifteen to 365 00:25:06,836 --> 00:25:11,876 Speaker 1: forty thousand miles where you cross, and because it's using 366 00:25:12,076 --> 00:25:17,316 Speaker 1: so much less energy per mile, everything after that is great, 367 00:25:17,796 --> 00:25:21,276 Speaker 1: and so we're drying the dirtiness down. Yeah, exactly. So 368 00:25:21,556 --> 00:25:25,196 Speaker 1: no question that battery electric cars have more carbon embedded. 369 00:25:25,476 --> 00:25:30,156 Speaker 1: But as the grids that they are charging decarbonize, an 370 00:25:30,156 --> 00:25:33,076 Speaker 1: electric car gets cleaner per miyath. And you can't say 371 00:25:33,076 --> 00:25:36,636 Speaker 1: that about gasoline. Grids all over the world are moving 372 00:25:36,676 --> 00:25:39,796 Speaker 1: to more renewables. They're swapping out coal for natural gas, 373 00:25:40,836 --> 00:25:45,796 Speaker 1: and so electric cars over their lifetime get continually cleaner. 374 00:25:46,156 --> 00:25:48,916 Speaker 1: But what I will say is I think Hyundai has 375 00:25:48,996 --> 00:25:56,436 Speaker 1: hit a good balance between completely duplicating a conventional interior 376 00:25:56,436 --> 00:26:00,236 Speaker 1: set of controls and going off on the far end, 377 00:26:00,356 --> 00:26:02,676 Speaker 1: as Tesla has done with the Model three and Model 378 00:26:02,876 --> 00:26:06,276 Speaker 1: Y and some of the other startups have where in fact, 379 00:26:06,316 --> 00:26:09,356 Speaker 1: to do very simple, basic quick things you have to 380 00:26:09,436 --> 00:26:15,476 Speaker 1: go into menus and screens and sort of expand or 381 00:26:15,556 --> 00:26:18,116 Speaker 1: drop down or find an option, which I think is 382 00:26:18,916 --> 00:26:22,636 Speaker 1: not only annoying and adiotic, but dangerous. I think Hunday 383 00:26:22,716 --> 00:26:26,516 Speaker 1: hit the right balance in terms of it's got knobs 384 00:26:26,516 --> 00:26:30,636 Speaker 1: for the thing you expect knobs for. My grumble about 385 00:26:30,636 --> 00:26:34,436 Speaker 1: the Rivian is that you can't adjust the air events 386 00:26:35,116 --> 00:26:39,796 Speaker 1: without going which I just ridiculous, idiotic. So you can 387 00:26:39,836 --> 00:26:41,436 Speaker 1: adjust the air events on the hunday and so on. 388 00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:45,516 Speaker 1: But it has a lot of the features that you 389 00:26:45,556 --> 00:26:49,396 Speaker 1: will use less or you will need to find in 390 00:26:49,916 --> 00:26:52,756 Speaker 1: a decent menu structure to my way of things. Yeah, 391 00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:57,236 Speaker 1: it does have great user interface and Hyundai Kia Genesis products. 392 00:26:57,276 --> 00:26:59,036 Speaker 1: If you want to get to the map, there's a 393 00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:00,636 Speaker 1: button for the map. If you want to get to 394 00:27:00,636 --> 00:27:02,916 Speaker 1: the radio, there's a button for the radio. There's a 395 00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:06,076 Speaker 1: volume knob, there's a seek button. And one of the 396 00:27:06,116 --> 00:27:11,036 Speaker 1: coolest adaptations from a convention no internal combustion car to 397 00:27:11,316 --> 00:27:15,076 Speaker 1: the Ionic five are the so called shift panels on 398 00:27:15,116 --> 00:27:19,556 Speaker 1: the steering wheel. Now in Antic five they don't control 399 00:27:19,676 --> 00:27:22,756 Speaker 1: any gear set, but what they do is increase the 400 00:27:22,836 --> 00:27:27,756 Speaker 1: amount increase or decrease the amount of regenerative braking. And 401 00:27:27,836 --> 00:27:31,236 Speaker 1: there's a term maybe we want to define. Let's sidebar 402 00:27:31,276 --> 00:27:36,476 Speaker 1: for a second, what exactly is regenerative braking? John In 403 00:27:36,556 --> 00:27:39,796 Speaker 1: a conventional gasoline car, when you lift off the accelerator 404 00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:43,836 Speaker 1: these days, to improve fuel economy, you pretty much glide, 405 00:27:44,316 --> 00:27:48,236 Speaker 1: but there is drag and so over time you slow 406 00:27:48,276 --> 00:27:51,796 Speaker 1: down with the engine on you're still burning gasoline. You're 407 00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:55,076 Speaker 1: still essentially wasting energy even as you slow down, and 408 00:27:55,116 --> 00:27:57,596 Speaker 1: then when you hit the brakes, more wasted energy because 409 00:27:57,756 --> 00:28:01,036 Speaker 1: generated by heat. In an electric car, the bulk of 410 00:28:01,076 --> 00:28:04,396 Speaker 1: the braking in day to day driving is done by 411 00:28:04,636 --> 00:28:09,796 Speaker 1: instantaneously turning an electric motor into a generator that puts 412 00:28:09,916 --> 00:28:14,676 Speaker 1: energy back into the battery. And there are various ways 413 00:28:14,716 --> 00:28:18,836 Speaker 1: to tune the generation. And if you said what we 414 00:28:18,916 --> 00:28:24,116 Speaker 1: call regenerative breaking at a higher level, the car slows 415 00:28:24,556 --> 00:28:28,276 Speaker 1: faster and puts more energy back into the battery. The 416 00:28:28,316 --> 00:28:31,436 Speaker 1: average is about thirty percent of the energy you use 417 00:28:31,556 --> 00:28:36,236 Speaker 1: to move the car comes back in through regenerative braking. 418 00:28:37,636 --> 00:28:41,756 Speaker 1: People have different preferences on how their EV drives. Some 419 00:28:42,116 --> 00:28:44,796 Speaker 1: want it to drive just like a conventional automatic car, 420 00:28:44,996 --> 00:28:49,556 Speaker 1: lift off and it just rolls. Others and often more 421 00:28:49,636 --> 00:28:54,396 Speaker 1: experienced EV drivers like a higher degree of regeneration up 422 00:28:54,396 --> 00:28:58,636 Speaker 1: to what we call one pedal driving, which means you 423 00:28:58,956 --> 00:29:01,476 Speaker 1: mostly don't even touch the brake pedal. It's one of 424 00:29:01,516 --> 00:29:04,716 Speaker 1: those things that you've got to do it to understand it, yeah, 425 00:29:04,796 --> 00:29:07,556 Speaker 1: and it takes a little skill, but once you master it, 426 00:29:07,756 --> 00:29:10,236 Speaker 1: I think you don't want to go back to moving 427 00:29:10,276 --> 00:29:13,716 Speaker 1: your foot between the accelerator and a brake pedal. And 428 00:29:13,796 --> 00:29:18,276 Speaker 1: also I think it's a boon too aggressive driving, because 429 00:29:18,316 --> 00:29:22,356 Speaker 1: it slows you down sort of automatically, very quickly for 430 00:29:22,516 --> 00:29:26,156 Speaker 1: a turn before you turn. And I find that I 431 00:29:26,276 --> 00:29:31,916 Speaker 1: use the highest regenerative setting on those paddles almost exclusively. 432 00:29:31,996 --> 00:29:34,876 Speaker 1: I don't want to be sailing around and coasting around. 433 00:29:34,916 --> 00:29:37,236 Speaker 1: I want to, like if I want to accelerate and 434 00:29:37,316 --> 00:29:40,396 Speaker 1: I want to stop, and never the twain shall meet, 435 00:29:40,796 --> 00:29:43,876 Speaker 1: as do why I consider one pedal driving to be 436 00:29:43,916 --> 00:29:46,716 Speaker 1: a benefit once you learn it. And one of the 437 00:29:46,756 --> 00:29:49,156 Speaker 1: great ironies I think about this Ionic five is is 438 00:29:49,156 --> 00:29:51,956 Speaker 1: probably the funkiest looking, but it's sort of the most 439 00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:56,756 Speaker 1: conventional driving, and you know, it really is satisfying and 440 00:29:56,756 --> 00:30:04,396 Speaker 1: it's terrific. When we come back another entry from Detroit. 441 00:30:14,116 --> 00:30:17,636 Speaker 1: I want to move on now to the last vehicle 442 00:30:17,836 --> 00:30:22,276 Speaker 1: in our set, and that is the Cadillac Lyric. The 443 00:30:22,396 --> 00:30:25,916 Speaker 1: Lyric is Cadillac's first all electric vehicle, but certainly not 444 00:30:25,996 --> 00:30:29,556 Speaker 1: its last. On the heels of the Lyric, Caddy just 445 00:30:29,636 --> 00:30:34,556 Speaker 1: announced its flagship, a customizable three hundred thousand dollars EV 446 00:30:35,196 --> 00:30:41,276 Speaker 1: called the Celestic. The thing that I love about the 447 00:30:41,356 --> 00:30:45,356 Speaker 1: lyric is it looks like a Barcelona chair turned into 448 00:30:45,396 --> 00:30:49,956 Speaker 1: a car. It is so amazingly beautiful when you see 449 00:30:49,956 --> 00:30:51,796 Speaker 1: them on the road, maybe not in a photo, but 450 00:30:51,876 --> 00:30:53,996 Speaker 1: when you see it from the chair height of another car. 451 00:30:54,076 --> 00:30:56,716 Speaker 1: You see these things on the road, they're just endlessly 452 00:30:56,716 --> 00:30:58,916 Speaker 1: fascinating and I think they're going to look good for 453 00:30:58,956 --> 00:31:03,076 Speaker 1: a very very long time. You know, they are pretty 454 00:31:03,276 --> 00:31:06,596 Speaker 1: utre in terms of their styling, but they also seem 455 00:31:06,636 --> 00:31:11,956 Speaker 1: pretty timeless too, and I think an ev like that 456 00:31:11,956 --> 00:31:15,996 Speaker 1: that is very highly styled, timelessly styled, but also isn't 457 00:31:16,036 --> 00:31:19,076 Speaker 1: going to set any land speed records. It's not super fast. 458 00:31:19,156 --> 00:31:25,356 Speaker 1: It's just quiet, luxurious, beautiful, great to be in, and 459 00:31:25,516 --> 00:31:28,356 Speaker 1: really kind of affordable. I mean, that's that's like the 460 00:31:28,396 --> 00:31:31,996 Speaker 1: Cadillac sweet spot. That's what that brand should be. And 461 00:31:32,036 --> 00:31:36,236 Speaker 1: I think the lyric is a great execution, a great 462 00:31:36,276 --> 00:31:40,636 Speaker 1: representation of what a modern Cadillac could and should be. 463 00:31:40,916 --> 00:31:44,156 Speaker 1: What's your take on the lyric? The lyric is interesting. 464 00:31:44,276 --> 00:31:47,436 Speaker 1: I'm going to defer my decision on the styling for 465 00:31:47,476 --> 00:31:52,036 Speaker 1: a couple of decades, and here's why I'm now pretty 466 00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:54,676 Speaker 1: much convinced that the Tesla models is going to be 467 00:31:54,716 --> 00:31:59,036 Speaker 1: one of the defining designs like the Citron Das or 468 00:32:01,036 --> 00:32:05,316 Speaker 1: you know, the those handfuls. Even though it's totally boring, 469 00:32:07,236 --> 00:32:15,036 Speaker 1: I would say classic. Okay, you couldn't say boring because 470 00:32:15,316 --> 00:32:18,756 Speaker 1: it set the mold. People thought it was a Jaguar 471 00:32:18,996 --> 00:32:22,756 Speaker 1: before people knew what a Tesla was. Everybody said, essentially, God, 472 00:32:22,796 --> 00:32:27,356 Speaker 1: that's beautiful, that's a Jaguar. And the models I'll I'm 473 00:32:27,356 --> 00:32:29,236 Speaker 1: gonna let you finish. But the model, as to me, 474 00:32:30,516 --> 00:32:32,076 Speaker 1: I always looked like one of those cars that they 475 00:32:32,076 --> 00:32:34,436 Speaker 1: would have in like a Chevron ad. There was like 476 00:32:34,476 --> 00:32:38,036 Speaker 1: an amalgamation of different cars that you couldn't You couldn't. 477 00:32:38,196 --> 00:32:41,116 Speaker 1: It didn't have like a recognizable grill, but you could see, oh, 478 00:32:41,116 --> 00:32:42,716 Speaker 1: maybe they're trying to make it look like a Benz 479 00:32:42,796 --> 00:32:44,476 Speaker 1: or a Jag or something. It was just like a 480 00:32:44,516 --> 00:32:46,836 Speaker 1: mishmash of a bunch of styling ques that yeah, it 481 00:32:46,916 --> 00:32:49,596 Speaker 1: said a little bit lower, but like, come on, man, 482 00:32:49,956 --> 00:32:53,556 Speaker 1: like go for it a little bit. Well. I think 483 00:32:53,596 --> 00:33:00,756 Speaker 1: I understand why it trended toward the Classic because Tesla 484 00:33:00,876 --> 00:33:03,796 Speaker 1: did the traditional way of launching new technology at the 485 00:33:03,836 --> 00:33:07,556 Speaker 1: top of the market, and they made a car that 486 00:33:07,716 --> 00:33:14,116 Speaker 1: was desirable and also had electric power or put more 487 00:33:14,156 --> 00:33:19,316 Speaker 1: cynically desirable despite being electric. But desirable is the most 488 00:33:19,356 --> 00:33:24,436 Speaker 1: important things, quick and desirable, right. Tesla built them on less, 489 00:33:24,516 --> 00:33:28,516 Speaker 1: Nissan built the Leaf. Which one do you want to own? Yeah? 490 00:33:28,556 --> 00:33:32,756 Speaker 1: But the Lyric I want to wait and see. I've 491 00:33:32,796 --> 00:33:37,676 Speaker 1: heard really mixed reviews on its styling. Many people, I 492 00:33:37,716 --> 00:33:42,476 Speaker 1: think yourself stunned by it, and others really disliked the 493 00:33:42,556 --> 00:33:44,956 Speaker 1: back end, the front. No one seemed to have a 494 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:49,516 Speaker 1: trouble with the back end, that sort of slightly curved hatch. 495 00:33:50,036 --> 00:33:53,636 Speaker 1: Remember the first Art and Science Cadillacs two thousand and 496 00:33:53,676 --> 00:33:57,716 Speaker 1: three four. I thought that was a stunning design at 497 00:33:57,756 --> 00:34:01,116 Speaker 1: the time. It was it was blocky, it was aggressive, 498 00:34:01,236 --> 00:34:03,996 Speaker 1: it was the new direction for Cadillac. I saw one 499 00:34:04,076 --> 00:34:07,556 Speaker 1: recently and I thought, God, that looks old and dated, right, 500 00:34:07,836 --> 00:34:10,316 Speaker 1: And so I want to see if that happens with 501 00:34:10,476 --> 00:34:13,196 Speaker 1: the Lyric, And I think great styling needs to lead 502 00:34:13,236 --> 00:34:16,276 Speaker 1: the market a little bit. The former BMW designer very 503 00:34:16,316 --> 00:34:19,756 Speaker 1: controversial Chris Bengal. He said, our cars are going to 504 00:34:19,796 --> 00:34:22,316 Speaker 1: be on the road for thirty forty years. They need 505 00:34:22,356 --> 00:34:24,636 Speaker 1: to look good in thirty and forty years, and they 506 00:34:24,636 --> 00:34:26,756 Speaker 1: can't be too trendy. And I think that the lyric 507 00:34:26,836 --> 00:34:32,396 Speaker 1: just absolutely hits that long term style. I think it's 508 00:34:32,396 --> 00:34:35,356 Speaker 1: going to age very very well. And I think, you know, 509 00:34:35,756 --> 00:34:40,716 Speaker 1: it drives like an SUV should. It's quiet, it's easy, 510 00:34:40,836 --> 00:34:43,516 Speaker 1: it doesn't snap your neck bank, but you know, come on, 511 00:34:43,796 --> 00:34:47,796 Speaker 1: it's comfortable and soothing. It doesn't necessarily have all those 512 00:34:47,876 --> 00:34:53,796 Speaker 1: ev advantages. But GM has really good regent. I didn't 513 00:34:53,836 --> 00:34:56,676 Speaker 1: have to think twice about how the lyric would behave 514 00:34:56,956 --> 00:35:01,836 Speaker 1: getting into it fresh. Here's my question, though, You and 515 00:35:01,876 --> 00:35:07,316 Speaker 1: I and this continent are not who matters as to 516 00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:10,276 Speaker 1: whether or not that car is a success. Cadillac has 517 00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:14,796 Speaker 1: sold more vehicles in China for five years now. The 518 00:35:14,916 --> 00:35:19,436 Speaker 1: gap is growing and the Celestic there are three hundred 519 00:35:19,436 --> 00:35:23,076 Speaker 1: thousand dollars super low production luxury car. That's the halo 520 00:35:23,236 --> 00:35:26,156 Speaker 1: for over there. It doesn't matter whether Americans want it 521 00:35:26,236 --> 00:35:33,076 Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, agreed, the duomotor lyric is coming. And yes, 522 00:35:33,236 --> 00:35:38,436 Speaker 1: there is that connection between performance and luxury that we've 523 00:35:38,436 --> 00:35:41,116 Speaker 1: come to expect that the you know, the European cars 524 00:35:41,116 --> 00:35:45,036 Speaker 1: have taught us to expect, like the Bmdwes and Mercedes mgs. 525 00:35:46,076 --> 00:35:49,916 Speaker 1: And I believe the Cadillac has done certain cars that 526 00:35:49,916 --> 00:35:52,396 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about also in this series. That 527 00:35:53,116 --> 00:35:56,436 Speaker 1: beat the Germans at their own game, but here like 528 00:35:56,516 --> 00:35:59,396 Speaker 1: this one is unapologetically American and I sort of love 529 00:35:59,396 --> 00:36:02,916 Speaker 1: it for that. And now John and I will rank 530 00:36:02,956 --> 00:36:16,916 Speaker 1: all four cars to pick our top choice. I would 531 00:36:16,916 --> 00:36:22,716 Speaker 1: put the lyric last on our list of best EV's 532 00:36:22,796 --> 00:36:26,516 Speaker 1: most interesting evs of the year, because, Yeah, at the 533 00:36:26,636 --> 00:36:28,876 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's an SCUV that gets pretty 534 00:36:28,876 --> 00:36:31,676 Speaker 1: good range, it's pretty comfortable. There's kind of a lot 535 00:36:31,716 --> 00:36:35,076 Speaker 1: of those The styling sets it apart, but not as 536 00:36:35,116 --> 00:36:39,596 Speaker 1: interesting to me as the Flin fifty or the BMW 537 00:36:39,756 --> 00:36:42,996 Speaker 1: or the Ionic. So that's my fourth pick. I don't 538 00:36:42,996 --> 00:36:45,676 Speaker 1: know if you agree or not. I would actually put 539 00:36:45,676 --> 00:36:52,436 Speaker 1: the BMW in fourth because, given how far BMW took 540 00:36:52,476 --> 00:36:55,876 Speaker 1: the I three some of the interesting facets of that, 541 00:36:56,316 --> 00:36:59,876 Speaker 1: the I four feels to me like an over correction. 542 00:37:01,236 --> 00:37:07,436 Speaker 1: They got scared. It drives beautifully. It is a predictable BMW. 543 00:37:09,156 --> 00:37:14,356 Speaker 1: Where's the specialness of being an EV? Besides accelerated responds, quietness, 544 00:37:14,356 --> 00:37:18,916 Speaker 1: and weight distribution. The significance to me of the BMWi 545 00:37:19,076 --> 00:37:23,636 Speaker 1: four is that they were able to impart the BMW 546 00:37:23,716 --> 00:37:29,116 Speaker 1: values and traits onto an EV and actually exceed some 547 00:37:29,196 --> 00:37:31,396 Speaker 1: of those of their gas powered cars. And to me, 548 00:37:31,476 --> 00:37:36,916 Speaker 1: that's what's significant about it is that BMW offers it's 549 00:37:36,996 --> 00:37:40,236 Speaker 1: buyers the choice. You can get this with the gas motor, 550 00:37:40,516 --> 00:37:42,076 Speaker 1: you can get it with an EV. And I think 551 00:37:42,156 --> 00:37:44,316 Speaker 1: ultimately that's where we're going to be, Like, you know, 552 00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:47,636 Speaker 1: the electric motors might replace like the V six version, 553 00:37:48,196 --> 00:37:51,396 Speaker 1: and I kind of like that world where we've got 554 00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:53,996 Speaker 1: a bunch of different takes on sort of the same 555 00:37:54,116 --> 00:37:59,916 Speaker 1: overall envelope, the same styling statement, the same aggressive sports 556 00:38:00,036 --> 00:38:03,916 Speaker 1: dan kind of vibe. And so I'm going Lyric four 557 00:38:05,716 --> 00:38:10,276 Speaker 1: BMW I four in the third spot, even though I 558 00:38:10,316 --> 00:38:14,836 Speaker 1: really I'd swamp the Lyrica into three. Okay, but let's 559 00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:18,396 Speaker 1: talk about runner up in this bracket. For me, it's 560 00:38:18,396 --> 00:38:24,796 Speaker 1: the flyn fifty. I can make a convincing case for 561 00:38:24,956 --> 00:38:29,756 Speaker 1: either the Ionic or the F one fifty. I think 562 00:38:29,796 --> 00:38:34,716 Speaker 1: the Ionic is more significant globally, and I think it's 563 00:38:34,796 --> 00:38:39,996 Speaker 1: technology is more advanced. And it shows how deadly serious 564 00:38:40,116 --> 00:38:45,116 Speaker 1: Hyundai Kia are about electric cars, about setting themselves up 565 00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:50,876 Speaker 1: for the long run in evs and aggressively ramping up 566 00:38:51,196 --> 00:38:56,556 Speaker 1: their production. They may well be the first global car 567 00:38:56,556 --> 00:39:00,276 Speaker 1: company to introduce a three row, battery electric three hundred 568 00:39:00,276 --> 00:39:05,196 Speaker 1: mile suv, which thus far only Tesla has done. And 569 00:39:05,396 --> 00:39:08,716 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where GM comes in on that. 570 00:39:11,756 --> 00:39:15,116 Speaker 1: The F one fifty, to me, because I'm an American, 571 00:39:15,996 --> 00:39:20,156 Speaker 1: is equally significant just because it was so unexpected and 572 00:39:20,356 --> 00:39:25,076 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I think it's so good at doing the 573 00:39:25,116 --> 00:39:32,276 Speaker 1: truck things that buyers of that segment and that vehicle expect. 574 00:39:32,636 --> 00:39:35,516 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone expected the F one fifty to 575 00:39:35,596 --> 00:39:40,676 Speaker 1: be quite as well thought through as I found it 576 00:39:40,756 --> 00:39:44,356 Speaker 1: to be. And I agree with all that, and I 577 00:39:44,396 --> 00:39:48,196 Speaker 1: think it is such a huge gamble and so well played, 578 00:39:48,596 --> 00:39:54,916 Speaker 1: so well executed, and a significant, significant entry because they 579 00:39:54,916 --> 00:39:57,316 Speaker 1: are going right for the heart of the market with 580 00:39:58,236 --> 00:40:02,396 Speaker 1: a technology that people still haven't embraced. And let's be honest, 581 00:40:02,436 --> 00:40:07,356 Speaker 1: even though you know EV sales have doubled during the pandemic, 582 00:40:07,436 --> 00:40:10,916 Speaker 1: there's still only six percent of the market. So for 583 00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:13,876 Speaker 1: four to push its chips in this way and make 584 00:40:13,876 --> 00:40:18,156 Speaker 1: this huge bet really really impressive and significant. But look 585 00:40:18,156 --> 00:40:20,956 Speaker 1: at the demand. They expected to sell forty thousand of 586 00:40:20,956 --> 00:40:24,316 Speaker 1: them a year, and they cut it off at two 587 00:40:24,436 --> 00:40:27,236 Speaker 1: hundred thousand orders before a single one had been built. 588 00:40:27,276 --> 00:40:30,596 Speaker 1: And sold. Yeah, I hear that. I don't know if 589 00:40:30,596 --> 00:40:33,396 Speaker 1: that's the tsunami of initial demand and if that's going 590 00:40:33,436 --> 00:40:36,596 Speaker 1: to continue, we'll see about that. The thing that keeps 591 00:40:36,596 --> 00:40:38,396 Speaker 1: it in the number two spot for me is just 592 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:44,356 Speaker 1: the The price is so ridiculous, man, Like to get 593 00:40:44,796 --> 00:40:47,436 Speaker 1: the Germans used to do this. They would charge like 594 00:40:47,876 --> 00:40:51,596 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for horsepower, you know, to get the 595 00:40:51,596 --> 00:40:54,436 Speaker 1: big engine. You'd have to spend sometimes double the price 596 00:40:54,476 --> 00:40:56,396 Speaker 1: of the car. And it was just come on, man, 597 00:40:56,796 --> 00:41:00,116 Speaker 1: Americans don't do that. Like you check a box on 598 00:41:00,236 --> 00:41:02,196 Speaker 1: your Chevy Nova and you get the big engine and 599 00:41:02,236 --> 00:41:05,596 Speaker 1: it's fifty bucks. And to be that seems totally Unamerican. 600 00:41:06,436 --> 00:41:11,076 Speaker 1: Train man used to tell me about those they predate me. 601 00:41:11,716 --> 00:41:14,436 Speaker 1: But I still think that value is a really big 602 00:41:14,436 --> 00:41:17,316 Speaker 1: part of the American vehicle equation. And the people who 603 00:41:17,356 --> 00:41:20,876 Speaker 1: do value better than anybody else right now because they're 604 00:41:20,956 --> 00:41:23,516 Speaker 1: vertically integrated, because they have such an eye toward the 605 00:41:23,516 --> 00:41:28,036 Speaker 1: future is Hondai Kia Genesis. And look for the price 606 00:41:28,076 --> 00:41:32,196 Speaker 1: of the average car. The transaction price for the average 607 00:41:32,196 --> 00:41:35,596 Speaker 1: car now is forty eight grand, and it's inflated because 608 00:41:35,636 --> 00:41:39,836 Speaker 1: of part shortages and supply chain issues. But for around 609 00:41:39,876 --> 00:41:43,556 Speaker 1: that price. For fifty grand, you can get this incredibly stylish, 610 00:41:43,836 --> 00:41:48,796 Speaker 1: well realized, state of the art charging infrastructure, great to drive, 611 00:41:48,956 --> 00:41:53,556 Speaker 1: great to be, an really really huge interesting package. You 612 00:41:53,596 --> 00:41:56,116 Speaker 1: can get really a concept car for the road, if 613 00:41:56,196 --> 00:41:59,036 Speaker 1: I'm going to say it, in the Ionic five for 614 00:41:59,196 --> 00:42:02,556 Speaker 1: fifty grand, and to me, that's just like bring it on. 615 00:42:03,156 --> 00:42:07,276 Speaker 1: I take your price argument. On the other hand, you 616 00:42:07,356 --> 00:42:11,756 Speaker 1: can get a perfectly serve sabol F one fifty Lightning 617 00:42:12,156 --> 00:42:16,276 Speaker 1: for that same sixty grand. It won't be the top trim, 618 00:42:16,316 --> 00:42:19,676 Speaker 1: and yeah, they just jacked the base price, so I 619 00:42:19,716 --> 00:42:22,556 Speaker 1: think that has some headway yet, but I do take 620 00:42:22,596 --> 00:42:25,956 Speaker 1: your price argument. I think in the end I go 621 00:42:26,156 --> 00:42:30,276 Speaker 1: for the Ionic for two reasons, one sort of industry 622 00:42:30,316 --> 00:42:35,676 Speaker 1: analysis and one purely selfish. The industry analysis is that 623 00:42:35,676 --> 00:42:39,396 Speaker 1: that's a globally important car. They are selling them in 624 00:42:39,476 --> 00:42:41,876 Speaker 1: all the major markets. They're selling them here, they're selling 625 00:42:41,876 --> 00:42:47,596 Speaker 1: them in Europe, they're selling them in Asia, and it 626 00:42:47,756 --> 00:42:56,356 Speaker 1: has been well reviewed accepted all of those places, So 627 00:42:56,756 --> 00:43:00,076 Speaker 1: that makes it more significant than the F one fifty 628 00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:02,716 Speaker 1: versus say the Maki, which is in fact being sold 629 00:43:02,756 --> 00:43:07,356 Speaker 1: in other markets. The other, frankly, is that I and 630 00:43:07,436 --> 00:43:10,436 Speaker 1: we would prefer to drive an Eye five N one fifty. 631 00:43:11,316 --> 00:43:14,236 Speaker 1: Now that may or may not be at all relevant 632 00:43:14,676 --> 00:43:18,436 Speaker 1: to the people, is totally I mean, um yeah, I 633 00:43:18,996 --> 00:43:22,636 Speaker 1: would be happy to own an Ionic five. I'm really 634 00:43:23,676 --> 00:43:26,996 Speaker 1: don't see any need to drive an F one fifty Lightning. 635 00:43:28,076 --> 00:43:30,956 Speaker 1: It's overkill, man, it is. I mean, for the three 636 00:43:31,076 --> 00:43:34,596 Speaker 1: days a year that you're gonna buy a huge TV 637 00:43:34,836 --> 00:43:38,316 Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl or take some wood around, I mean, 638 00:43:39,036 --> 00:43:41,756 Speaker 1: you don't need an you don't need a pickup truck. 639 00:43:42,076 --> 00:43:44,956 Speaker 1: They're gargantulan. And that's one of the kind of hilarious 640 00:43:44,996 --> 00:43:48,796 Speaker 1: things about the FUND fifty to me is how performatively 641 00:43:49,156 --> 00:43:52,316 Speaker 1: oversized it is, like, oh, yeah, it's a big old truck, 642 00:43:52,676 --> 00:43:55,116 Speaker 1: but it's really good for the environment. So can you 643 00:43:55,196 --> 00:44:05,276 Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it too? Maybe, so we 644 00:44:05,396 --> 00:44:10,916 Speaker 1: go lyric BMW F one fifty Ionic five makes it 645 00:44:10,956 --> 00:44:16,756 Speaker 1: to the next round. Here we are in the Ionic 646 00:44:16,796 --> 00:44:18,636 Speaker 1: five to give you a sense of what it's like 647 00:44:18,716 --> 00:44:22,996 Speaker 1: to drive. Really doesn't have a ton of grip, but 648 00:44:23,876 --> 00:44:29,356 Speaker 1: it hustles. It really moves like olivs. You know. The 649 00:44:29,396 --> 00:44:35,036 Speaker 1: acceleration is just instantaneous, but the brakes are decent, even 650 00:44:35,076 --> 00:44:40,436 Speaker 1: if they're a little. They're not maybe aggressive enough. You 651 00:44:40,516 --> 00:44:44,396 Speaker 1: have to be intentional about your breaking in this vehicle. 652 00:44:46,636 --> 00:44:49,876 Speaker 1: One of the great and really intuitive things about this 653 00:44:49,956 --> 00:44:55,276 Speaker 1: Ionic five is you can adjust the level of regenerative 654 00:44:55,396 --> 00:44:59,756 Speaker 1: breaking via little paddles mounted to the steering wheel. You know, 655 00:44:59,836 --> 00:45:04,196 Speaker 1: in a normal internal combustion vehicle, those might be paddle 656 00:45:04,236 --> 00:45:08,356 Speaker 1: shifters that control the transmission. Here it adjusts how much 657 00:45:08,436 --> 00:45:14,196 Speaker 1: the car automatically slows down based on regenerative rather than 658 00:45:14,236 --> 00:45:17,276 Speaker 1: friction breaking in the system. And that is one of 659 00:45:17,276 --> 00:45:21,636 Speaker 1: the great advantages of evs to drive with one pedal, 660 00:45:21,836 --> 00:45:25,716 Speaker 1: and it's great for lazy people. You can just lift 661 00:45:25,716 --> 00:45:28,396 Speaker 1: off the throttle and come to a complete stop. You 662 00:45:28,436 --> 00:45:31,956 Speaker 1: don't have to go through the anguish and agony of 663 00:45:32,036 --> 00:45:35,876 Speaker 1: moving your right foot from the gas pedal to the 664 00:45:35,876 --> 00:45:40,636 Speaker 1: brake pedal. It doesn't for you. Okay, let's accelerate quickly, 665 00:45:43,236 --> 00:45:50,436 Speaker 1: no sound. I went started with a range of one 666 00:45:50,516 --> 00:45:53,836 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five miles, ending with a range of 667 00:45:54,036 --> 00:45:57,676 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty one miles, But I did not 668 00:45:57,836 --> 00:46:02,676 Speaker 1: go twenty four miles. I only went about fifteen, so 669 00:46:02,876 --> 00:46:08,276 Speaker 1: a high degree of inaccuracy from the projection in the computer. 670 00:46:08,556 --> 00:46:11,676 Speaker 1: But I was also driving like a complete maniac and 671 00:46:12,356 --> 00:46:17,236 Speaker 1: sapping as much juice as humanly possible. But I was 672 00:46:17,316 --> 00:46:21,356 Speaker 1: also using full regenerative breaking and here I am at 673 00:46:21,356 --> 00:46:26,596 Speaker 1: a complete stop using the intelligent pedal setting on the 674 00:46:26,636 --> 00:46:31,516 Speaker 1: region Next time on Car Show, The Best SUVs of 675 00:46:31,516 --> 00:46:38,916 Speaker 1: the Year with Ezra Dyer. 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