Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. He's trying to outlast Brady's career.
Speaker 1: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. I'm Dan Anders, joined by Greg Rosenthal and Greggy.
Speaker 1: Not every week is going to be filled with diamonds, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to say it's filled with roxy either week
Speaker 1: four Sunday. There were some good moments, but what we
Speaker 1: really needed was a great Sunday night game and the
Speaker 1: drama of the Pats and Tom Brady and the reunion.
Speaker 1: It's that special, Greg, that we're actually gonna start the
Speaker 1: show with a little Sunday night football today. How about that?
Speaker 1: It is not every week, but you know, it's not
Speaker 1: every week that the greatest quarterback of all time returns
Speaker 1: to his home. And yeah, you gotta give him their respect.
Speaker 1: And they showed up in a game in a week
Speaker 1: where I think there was like five six seven, like
Speaker 1: great looking matchups and hipster Duface is like me, We're like,
Speaker 1: oh Bucks, Patriots, it's not even like one of the
Speaker 1: better games of the week. Actually, it ended up being
Speaker 1: way better than all of those games. Right. You could
Speaker 1: you could kind of get board of the build up
Speaker 1: to a game like this in the way NBC was
Speaker 1: putting all their professional might behind and promotional might behind
Speaker 1: making this thing as big as possible and getting all
Speaker 1: these actors I think from New England, various people uh
Speaker 1: to be part of their campaign. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day of the teams needed to play the game,
Speaker 1: and the game was a good one. So before we
Speaker 1: get to all the Sunday Week four action, let us
Speaker 1: start with the last game. And it went down in Gellette,
Speaker 1: honest way, that is for you, Rick. So I can't
Speaker 1: tell you, Greg how many times as a I would
Speaker 1: have called myself Tom Brady hater but somebody suffered at
Speaker 1: the hands of Brady um for so many years. It
Speaker 1: would always get me mad that yes, Tom Brady is great,
Speaker 1: and yes the Patriots do it the right way and
Speaker 1: they just know how to win. But it always felt
Speaker 1: like it's so many instances, instances the team they were
Speaker 1: playing would make a decision late that would just drive
Speaker 1: you INT's like, oh Brady is so charmed, you have
Speaker 1: such a charmed life, And isn't an ironic when he
Speaker 1: goes back to Foxboro for the first time, Greggy that
Speaker 1: that happens again. Tom Brady is on the right side
Speaker 1: of what felt to me um a situation where the
Speaker 1: opposing team, when it mattered most, made a bad decision.
Speaker 1: In this case, to me, it was going for the
Speaker 1: field goal with Nick Folk fifty six yard or in
Speaker 1: driving rain with a bad plant leg and uh, instead
Speaker 1: of going for it on fourth and three, it hits
Speaker 1: the upright final score Bucks nine teen, Pat seventeen. Icy
Speaker 1: quick handshake at the end of the game between Brady
Speaker 1: and Belichick. I'm kind of into it, Greg, but also
Speaker 1: it's Tom Brady. What a blessed life it's been. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to like drive down narrative street, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Bill Belichick in the biggest moment of the biggest,
Speaker 1: you know, game of this season for them, and and
Speaker 1: certainly his biggest moment as a coach I think in
Speaker 1: this season, blinked. He kind of choked. He had a
Speaker 1: pretty obvious decision. We were sitting there in the film room,
Speaker 1: you know, I was next to you. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: It was close enough, and I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: even a decision. Yeah, when it was third and three
Speaker 1: and they got about a minute plus left, I said, oh, suddenly,
Speaker 1: it's like they gotta get three yards here or else.
Speaker 1: It's one play in the game is over. They tip
Speaker 1: the pass of the line of scrimmage. It's fourth and three,
Speaker 1: and I say, okay, you need three yards to keep
Speaker 1: the game going. I didn't think it's a decision, because
Speaker 1: anyone that's watching the Folk who's hit thirty five straight
Speaker 1: over the last year knows that the Patriots don't even
Speaker 1: line them up outside of fifty because that's just not
Speaker 1: the kind of kicker that he is anymore. And then
Speaker 1: anyone that's watched this game down the stretch thought, the
Speaker 1: Bucks don't have any players in the secondary. They're missing
Speaker 1: literally their top four players in the secondary. They're missing
Speaker 1: their starters. Mac Jones is moving the ball pretty well.
Speaker 1: You get lucky with a couple of calls on that
Speaker 1: final drive, but ultimately you have to have some confidence
Speaker 1: in a kid that just hit nineteen straight. And more
Speaker 1: important than all of this, you would have left Tom
Speaker 1: Brady all the time in the world and two timeouts
Speaker 1: to go kick a game winning field goal the other way.
Speaker 1: So I didn't even think it was a decision. I
Speaker 1: was stunned to see uh Nick Folk coming out there,
Speaker 1: and it continued a number of mental mistakes that this
Speaker 1: Patriots team has made throughout the course of this season,
Speaker 1: including the time out that they took on the drive
Speaker 1: before when they couldn't substitute right. That's happened two or
Speaker 1: three times. This Patriots team, as as hard and as
Speaker 1: well they played at times tonight, has been very sloppy.
Speaker 1: They lose the turnover battle two to nothing, and it
Speaker 1: didn't feel like they deserve to win that game. You
Speaker 1: need a coach that could be cool under pressure, and
Speaker 1: he was. You're saying, fire Belichick, there's your narrative in
Speaker 1: that moment. The only perfect the only perfect thing for
Speaker 1: the Patriots was NBC's coverage of Steve Belichick sideline shots.
Speaker 1: Give me more of it. I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on with that guy, but I love him. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this. The the shame of it is for
Speaker 1: Belichick is you were if if Nick Folk who you know.
Speaker 1: It should be stated, it's not like he was so
Speaker 1: out of his depth on that kick in terms of
Speaker 1: range that he was missed it by seven yards and
Speaker 1: it hit the end zone. He hit the pipe, He
Speaker 1: hit the pipe and it fell the wrong way. But
Speaker 1: it's still was a very difficult make uh. In the
Speaker 1: Brady would have gotten Brady would have gone back and
Speaker 1: won the game. That's my problem with it. Well maybe
Speaker 1: you would have. But yeah, Mac Jones considering um what
Speaker 1: he had done in this game, thirty two touchdowns one
Speaker 1: and I really like Mac Jones. I like so much
Speaker 1: of what I've seen. I know he struggled last week
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I think he would have been
Speaker 1: a guy I would have felt comfortable giving him the
Speaker 1: game in that spot at fourth and three. But Belichick
Speaker 1: is not there yet, and I'm sure if Tom Brady
Speaker 1: was his quarterback in that spot, Tom's probably going for
Speaker 1: it there and fourth and three. It's not Nick Folk
Speaker 1: for fifty six. So they're in the processed. Listen, it's
Speaker 1: a transition feel for the game that you're in. You
Speaker 1: know they're trying to play this specific style. But in
Speaker 1: that moment, it didn't feel like he had a feel
Speaker 1: for what the game. That the frustration for Belichick and
Speaker 1: and he never really really reveals anything on the sideline,
Speaker 1: but you saw his face with drop when they hit
Speaker 1: the the upright. He had done such a great job overall.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady the big story, and everyone thought it was
Speaker 1: the prediction for everyone. So Greg locked up the buck
Speaker 1: and congratulations buddy on your big yikes. But Tom Brady
Speaker 1: everyone thought was gonna go in there and shred the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And I know the weather played a role, I guess,
Speaker 1: But forty three to sixty nine, he does not throw
Speaker 1: a touchdown in his return to New England. He gets
Speaker 1: the all time passing yardage record from Drew Brees. But
Speaker 1: they did a great job keeping Brady off kilter and
Speaker 1: from getting kept them from getting into a rhythm. And
Speaker 1: Mac Jones on the other side, if you would have
Speaker 1: told me Brady doesn't throw a touchdown, Mac Jones has
Speaker 1: nineteen straight completions at one point. Uh, you're I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: The Patriots win. So it's just and they hold the
Speaker 1: Bucks under twenty it's hold the Bucks under twenty points.
Speaker 1: It's just a little that I know, it's nonsense to
Speaker 1: all the die hard analytics people and every it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of that Brady magic involved, and it's just
Speaker 1: to see it be done to New England and New
Speaker 1: England was interesting to me. I mean, it was fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean for this game to happen at all, I
Speaker 1: guess I wasn't looking forward to it. I'm glad it's over, um,
Speaker 1: but it also just reminded me of how like blessed
Speaker 1: and ridiculous the last two decades have been as a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan, and to just like be grateful, Uh, you
Speaker 1: don't know how long this life is gonna be. Just
Speaker 1: be grateful that you got that as a sports fan
Speaker 1: and even got a night like this, because right now
Speaker 1: the Patriots might not be involved in many big Sunday
Speaker 1: night the entire NFL is watching, and you're surprising. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, right now, this team and they were surprising
Speaker 1: that this was the ultimate I said, they've been trying
Speaker 1: to turn it back to two thousand and one, and
Speaker 1: this was a two thousand and one type of game.
Speaker 1: They had some conviction. They didn't, you know, run the
Speaker 1: ball basically the whole night. They ended up with negative
Speaker 1: running yardage because they had a game plan that made
Speaker 1: some sense. They started out with Mac Jones playing hurry
Speaker 1: up and spread in the very first drive. It was
Speaker 1: a statement of intent. Uh, there, we're not gonna run
Speaker 1: the ball against Beautevan too. This is the way we
Speaker 1: think we're gonna win. It gives us the best chance,
Speaker 1: and you know what, it worked, and they mixed up
Speaker 1: all those coverages. Everything was playing pretty well. Didn't work.
Speaker 1: I mean defensively, I think the most part. Offensively, I
Speaker 1: mean eight carries for negative one yards. You're punting on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball entirely without even it seems
Speaker 1: like not even testing the running game. And then poor J. J.
Speaker 1: Taylor becomes the latest Patriot running back to lose a fumble.
Speaker 1: I mean, it should be said on the four on
Speaker 1: the seven attempts to run they did have, they gained
Speaker 1: four yards and that that was actually no, they gained
Speaker 1: uh negative one yards and that was alcalar so. I
Speaker 1: mean they're running backs literally had negative yardage for the game.
Speaker 1: What I mean is like all the coverage changing and
Speaker 1: everything that they did try to slow down Brady, like
Speaker 1: in theory, it worked and it and it did work
Speaker 1: for the most part. But Brady missed a ton of
Speaker 1: throws in the first half that were there. He also
Speaker 1: hit some gems, but he seemed a little hyped up
Speaker 1: for the game. They had him scrambled and the reality is,
Speaker 1: even though it came down to that kick, like Tom
Speaker 1: Brady through the game winning pass, he made the play
Speaker 1: to win the game that everyone will remember from this game,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown just dropped it. The first time he couldn't
Speaker 1: see it, and the second time he dropped it. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady through one of the best passes you know, he
Speaker 1: could possibly throw. That should have been the last throw
Speaker 1: he ever made at Foxboro and it goes right off
Speaker 1: of Antonio Brown's hands. The Patriots, to me, were very
Speaker 1: fortunate to have that opportunity. They got a couple of
Speaker 1: lucky calls, uh in that final drive. They got a
Speaker 1: couple of lucky breaks. I thought throughout the game where
Speaker 1: they got penalties, or that the Bucks missed out on
Speaker 1: some open players. There's some opportunities, so to me, like
Speaker 1: things were going right for them until the very end
Speaker 1: when they went wrong. And as far as Tampa bagoes,
Speaker 1: so they moved to three and one. They bounced back
Speaker 1: after the loss of the Rams last week. They do
Speaker 1: have a lot of problems though, and it's just something
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, especially on defense. Carlton Davis
Speaker 1: he got carded with a I don't know if he
Speaker 1: got card it actually, but he left with a quad
Speaker 1: injury and was immediately ruled out, and that does not
Speaker 1: look good. Antoine Winfield Jr. He leaves in the second
Speaker 1: half with an injury. They've already they were already down
Speaker 1: enough cornerbacks that Richard Sherman is playing snaps for this team,
Speaker 1: someone who had been out of football for months and months.
Speaker 1: Uh So, they have a lot of issues in their
Speaker 1: back end and that is going to continue to be
Speaker 1: a challenge for them. But this is just one of
Speaker 1: those games where, hey, you're not gonna get a lot
Speaker 1: of style points, but you got the W and you
Speaker 1: get the hell out of there and try to regroup.
Speaker 1: But you know, last my last thought is, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, Bill, listen. I'm a competitor too. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's whiffleball or if it's an
Speaker 1: intermurural basketball or co ed softball. Like I'm a competitor,
Speaker 1: and like after a game, I'm not gonna be chummy
Speaker 1: with everyone. But it's all connected. Like he can't can't
Speaker 1: meet Tom at midfield and like share a moment with him.
Speaker 1: He can't do it. It has to be a good job, Tom,
Speaker 1: And then run the other way, Ricky where we're taking
Speaker 1: to him. He ran from that. He gave a hug.
Speaker 1: It's cold and rainy, and and he gave him a
Speaker 1: hug and left. What do you what do you want
Speaker 1: him to do? He actually about have a little conversation
Speaker 1: and understand the magnitude of your bond and what you
Speaker 1: did together. Why does every Maybe there's something after bigger
Speaker 1: than that though, like you think anything to do with
Speaker 1: their bond is gonna be a factor, And like what
Speaker 1: the outside world thinks in that moment if if they
Speaker 1: have it, and I believe that they do, like it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. That's but Josh McDaniels embraced was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Well that was there was actually some feeling there. Well
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. And you could poop poo it
Speaker 1: and say it doesn't matter what the public season, it's
Speaker 1: what's happening, Like is if they're in a deep and
Speaker 1: loving you know, like they're in like a deep and
Speaker 1: loving embrace in the tunnel right now. My point is
Speaker 1: whatever connection that they have with each other, they know,
Speaker 1: it's like they have an understanding. Tom Brady knows who
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is. After the game, you think Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is going over if they lose that game and making
Speaker 1: like a heartfelt hug to Bill Belichick. No, he's the
Speaker 1: same bad loser as old Belichick. Like they know it,
Speaker 1: and it's not something that they're going to take personal.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the deep sadness that they both know they
Speaker 1: should still be together. I thought this game was going
Speaker 1: to be a blood bath. So just the fact that
Speaker 1: I came down to a final kick like this was
Speaker 1: more than I could have expected. And I had a
Speaker 1: wonderful Sunday night watching. All Right, I'm glad you're taking that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of like from Mac Jones and the defense like
Speaker 1: really did scramble Brady, So that was That's the thing though,
Speaker 1: Like for all the credit that Mac Jones got from
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth and and he does seem ahead of the
Speaker 1: game in certain ways. It's like they were missing their
Speaker 1: top four players and then in the secondary and you
Speaker 1: had a chance to go win the game. But New
Speaker 1: England Patriots like what there? It doesn't matter And people
Speaker 1: should know by the way that trash bro um. I
Speaker 1: did save a spot for Greg to sit next to
Speaker 1: me in the NFL Network theater to watch the second
Speaker 1: half of this game. I even got him a water
Speaker 1: actually this time that I kind of cleared the even
Speaker 1: dusted it off a little bit at the table. You're
Speaker 1: drinking it right now. Well, because talk about performing for
Speaker 1: the public. Greg rolls in and I'm I'm seated, you know,
Speaker 1: chair five, and I have chair six, Chair seven, chair eight.
Speaker 1: Greg's at chair nine. There were ten people in there.
Speaker 1: Everyone is sitting five ft apart because we're in the
Speaker 1: middle of a pandemic, and also when you're in a nice,
Speaker 1: big place, you all sit a little bit apart. We
Speaker 1: were all talking or choking the whole time, talk about uh,
Speaker 1: doing it for show. You didn't tell me that was
Speaker 1: my water. I could have used the water, but you
Speaker 1: sent it out on Twitter. I didn't even know until
Speaker 1: after the game because I wasn't checked. I think it
Speaker 1: goes without especially after last week's you know, really disappointing situation.
Speaker 1: Chair seven was your spot, but for you to go
Speaker 1: chair nine, chair eleven. We're in the same row were
Speaker 1: a Belichick after a There's fifteen people talking, We're honking
Speaker 1: the whole time. I'm we're giving analysis, we're cracking jucks.
Speaker 1: M j D s there and Dan sending these little
Speaker 1: tweets out and not even telling me because I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention to social media during the game.
Speaker 1: I'm all ball. I know you're all ball, but how
Speaker 1: about some traditional male bonding. We did it. We were
Speaker 1: cracking jokes until you're until you just want to do
Speaker 1: a bit at the end of the game, like it's
Speaker 1: seven was yours, but you chose not to take it.
Speaker 1: All right, We're on the flight to London on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: If if everything is wide open on that plane, we
Speaker 1: could each have our own road. No, I'm gonna sit
Speaker 1: right next to you, because that's what you do when
Speaker 1: there's wide open seats everywhere. You just you just sit
Speaker 1: right next to them and say, hey, is that my water?
Speaker 1: I mean, I assume that's your water. Now you're just
Speaker 1: you know, piling on you. You've hurt me, and now
Speaker 1: you're trying to apologize for this. I won't. I apologize
Speaker 1: for locking up the bucks that I do apologize what
Speaker 1: a mistake. I will not. I will not do such
Speaker 1: a thing again. All right, let's move on. Let's check
Speaker 1: in now with the rest of the Sunday action played
Speaker 1: under the sunlight? What starting with a game played? No
Speaker 1: one has ever people say under the moonlight. No one's
Speaker 1: ever actually said under the sunlight until this moment, very
Speaker 1: proud moment for my h in my broadcasting career. I
Speaker 1: had to say, Greg, what game was under the sunlight.
Speaker 1: I'm on the edge of my seat. Well, let's start
Speaker 1: across the sidewalk. It's so far as stadium. Whose house
Speaker 1: is this? Kyler's house? I wasn't even playing stop stafter
Speaker 1: Kyler short set, moving to us right a little bit now,
Speaker 1: throwing deep far side and it's pulled in at the
Speaker 1: five yard line by a J. Green hit at the
Speaker 1: ends off of a touchdown. Hey Jay Green just too strong,
Speaker 1: too big, too athletic. Oh my goodness, you know you're
Speaker 1: in trouble. Rams Nation Day passed with called Cardinals Radio network.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray passed for two state yards and two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: including that past a J. Green. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I back off a J has been He's been a
Speaker 1: net game so far for that offense. Anyway, another m
Speaker 1: v P level performance of Kyler. But this whole team
Speaker 1: steps up. The Cardinals remain unbeaten with a thirty seven
Speaker 1: twenty trouncing of the Rams in Los Angeles. And Greg,
Speaker 1: this is a game. You know, again not to keep
Speaker 1: mentioning this, but it does for what we do for
Speaker 1: a living. It just jumps out at you when we
Speaker 1: talk about all these things that we're worried about entering
Speaker 1: the season, he thinks, Oh, this guy better get his
Speaker 1: act together because he's not so good. Well, Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: is a guy that got plenty of criticism and doubts
Speaker 1: heading into the season, and he just went into l
Speaker 1: a against a very good Rams defense and he saw
Speaker 1: his guys put up four sixty five and just take
Speaker 1: it to the Rams. How about that they could have
Speaker 1: put a forty burger on him. They had a chance
Speaker 1: like early in the fourth quarter to do so. And
Speaker 1: you're right, before the season, it wasn't just us like
Speaker 1: kind of wondering about Kingsbury. It was everyone putting them
Speaker 1: last place in the division. And here they are four No,
Speaker 1: you could argue have the best resume of any team
Speaker 1: in the league. And I think with Vance Joseph in
Speaker 1: this defense, it reminds me a little bit of the
Speaker 1: old Saints Greg Williams defenses or Greg Williams in general,
Speaker 1: where it's like they're pretty boom er bust, but they
Speaker 1: make big plays. And in the first half of this game,
Speaker 1: when you know they they intercept Matthew Stafford. Uh, they
Speaker 1: forced the fumble and they get a lead, like they
Speaker 1: aren't looking back. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. And then in the
Speaker 1: second half they go on these long drives against the
Speaker 1: Rams offense, which is almost begging them to run and
Speaker 1: and this time they were able to do it. Like
Speaker 1: James Conner didn't have a great game, but Chase Edmonds
Speaker 1: twenty yards on the ground and like they have these
Speaker 1: long drives and the Rams couldn't get the ball back.
Speaker 1: It was one sided. They did whatever they wanted through
Speaker 1: the air, on the ground and then on the other
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Okay, so you say, all right,
Speaker 1: so the Rams are struggling to stop a high powered
Speaker 1: offense that happens all the all the time an hour league.
Speaker 1: Now then you're thinking, oh, it's gonna be a shootout.
Speaker 1: But no, because Matthew Stafford, I would say this was
Speaker 1: his first game and there was a little lipstick on
Speaker 1: the pig late. This is the first game where I
Speaker 1: would say he was ineffective. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: a big game changing play. Greg we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Um in the third quarter. Uh, they get stopped at
Speaker 1: the goal line. It looks like Stafford got in. Uh,
Speaker 1: they decided not to challenge it, and you could understand
Speaker 1: why in mcveigh's mind, Tron mcveigh's mind, why he did that.
Speaker 1: He's thinking, I can't risk losing the time out here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it in my back pockets. I need
Speaker 1: to make a comeback here. We're gonna score. We have
Speaker 1: two chances to get in from the one, but they don't,
Speaker 1: And that to me was kind of the turning point
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, I mean, they would have had to
Speaker 1: make a great comeback, and I don't know if their
Speaker 1: defense could have helped. Higbie doesn't catch the pass there,
Speaker 1: but it did kind of just kept me thinking about
Speaker 1: how they they just haven't been great in terms of
Speaker 1: handing the ball off and maybe they won't need to.
Speaker 1: But I just thought coming into this game, the Cardinals
Speaker 1: rush defense was vulnerable. They got steamrolled by Minnesota. I
Speaker 1: think Jacksonville pushed them around upfront actually in the running game,
Speaker 1: and normally with Jared Goff the Cardinal killer, that's what
Speaker 1: you would have seen. I mean, we spent this all
Speaker 1: year talking about what what Jared Goff can't do. What
Speaker 1: he can do is beat the Cardinals seven out of
Speaker 1: eight times. Uh. And so this win has to feel
Speaker 1: really sweet for Cliff Kingsbury because it's an offensive league
Speaker 1: and this is an offensive team. It just feels like
Speaker 1: they've now got enough pieces where his offense makes sense
Speaker 1: because I've seen some people be like, you know, Cliff
Speaker 1: is they're running the exact same place exactly, like they
Speaker 1: are the same Cardinals offense, and now they have the
Speaker 1: talent to make it. Where can they have, you know,
Speaker 1: arguably the best quarterback in the league right now, one
Speaker 1: of the top couple. I mean, as long as they
Speaker 1: could keep him healthy. They couldn't last year. And he's
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy, So you worry about how this
Speaker 1: works over seventeen games. But if they can, they're going
Speaker 1: to continue to put up points in the defense of place.
Speaker 1: At this level, they are gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 1: And they are four no now and they have a chance.
Speaker 1: Are really despite everyone else going the other way preseason,
Speaker 1: including us, including everybody, they can win this division. They
Speaker 1: have that type of ceiling. And Sean McVeigh has coached
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals nine times. Greg this is the first
Speaker 1: time he went down. Wow, first time, so big, big performance.
Speaker 1: Jason Zumwald dancing in the streets. Is this a statement?
Speaker 1: This is like maybe the statement game of the young season.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Greg, because I said it to
Speaker 1: the in the in the new news room. It's actually
Speaker 1: and you oomlot room that I said it. That's a
Speaker 1: statement game. You don't believe in statement games. You're on
Speaker 1: Clay Bond corner with that, Like those things don't matter.
Speaker 1: Momentum doesn't matter. There's no such thing as statements. That's
Speaker 1: a statement because the Ram had an official position. But
Speaker 1: this gets the Rams are in the locker room licking
Speaker 1: their wounds and thinking to themselves, Oh now we got
Speaker 1: to go to the desert to play them. These guys
Speaker 1: are for real. They also know they gotta have a
Speaker 1: quick turnaround. Play on Thursday night, another big division game,
Speaker 1: and suddenly the card those are at the top of
Speaker 1: the division called the Curse of the Power rankings. The Rams,
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed your six days stay it's over
Speaker 1: at number one. Speaking of over the undefeated season of
Speaker 1: the Roncos. Head to Mile High, Rocos rushed for Jackson
Speaker 1: with time going deep. He's looking at Hollywood proud at
Speaker 1: the five. He reaches up any nights Hollywood Brown, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the end zone for a touchdown. Jerry's and
Speaker 1: Dusky w b a L See my voice is back right,
Speaker 1: It's no, it's not money Smith. But when it's humming,
Speaker 1: it's fine. It's good. It's a good little weapon. Totally
Speaker 1: totally took a shot last week June, Carlos Stanton buried me.
Speaker 1: It's all the way back. I mean, if yours is
Speaker 1: a weapon, what's mine? You know, I don't know you
Speaker 1: answer that question. Lamar Jackson through for three hundred sixteen yards,
Speaker 1: including that forty nine yard touchdown past to a diving
Speaker 1: Hollywood and thank god, Hollywood, you needed a catch a
Speaker 1: ball and it was an ice catch. And the Ravens
Speaker 1: combined offensive prowess with another great defensive performance or a
Speaker 1: great defensive performance beating the Broncos seven. As I said,
Speaker 1: the Broncos were undefeated no longer. Greg Denver lost Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater to a concussion in this game, But it sounds
Speaker 1: like this loss was more about more than just that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Teddy gone. At halftime. Score was seventeen to seven. At
Speaker 1: that point, I keep this notebook that you know you're
Speaker 1: keep the notebook, and I you know, I never write
Speaker 1: the winner, you know, until the very end of the game,
Speaker 1: unless I'm feeling like ultraconfidence. When Locke came in, I
Speaker 1: wrote in Ravens left the score empty, wrote Ravens. I
Speaker 1: knew it was over, and I don't think it would
Speaker 1: have mattered if Teddy was out there. When when Bridge
Speaker 1: writer was there, he threw the ball sixteen times, got
Speaker 1: sixty five yards. The Ravens dominated this game up front,
Speaker 1: and they're and they're winning offensively in surprising ways to me.
Speaker 1: You would think a game where they're ahead the whole time,
Speaker 1: they're gonna rush at forty five times, they're gonna rack
Speaker 1: up these rushing yards. Rushing net today one hundred and
Speaker 1: two yards for the Ravens. They actually were pass heavy,
Speaker 1: like they still throw the ball thirty seven times and
Speaker 1: only ran it. I think thirty. They're going deep. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna create a lot of consistency on offense. But
Speaker 1: Lamar hit a couple of the deep throws today. He
Speaker 1: had that one to Hollywood Brown, a couple of nice
Speaker 1: throws to Mark Andrews, and uh, it was like enough
Speaker 1: they protected him and the defense got after it. It
Speaker 1: just gets me thinking, like whenever I doubt this Ravens
Speaker 1: defense over the last five or six years. It's just
Speaker 1: like they just find guys. They find a way in
Speaker 1: oada fe oh Way. Their number one pick to me
Speaker 1: would be the defensive rookie of the year or the
Speaker 1: month other than Michael Parsons. Like Michael Parsons has just
Speaker 1: been crazy. But this guy, oh Way just has crazy
Speaker 1: athleticism where if you're into washing past watching pass rushers,
Speaker 1: he's a good guy to just watch snap after snap
Speaker 1: because his athleticism is just outrageous. So Bolt teams punched
Speaker 1: on their first three possessions uh before finding the end zone.
Speaker 1: There was only six points uh to Justin tucker Field
Speaker 1: goals uh in the second half, so a lot of
Speaker 1: this damage was done in the middle portion of the game.
Speaker 1: And Tucker, by the way, I heard because we're all no,
Speaker 1: well never everyone's caught up to the beauty of Justin Tucker.
Speaker 1: Now he gets the pregame reports that he was banging
Speaker 1: seventy yard ors before this game in the uh the
Speaker 1: light air of Colorado, and that I'm too bad he
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to do that. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess this is with the Broncos. It's a wait
Speaker 1: and see situation. Now with Teddy, it's a concussion. You
Speaker 1: never know which way that's gonna go. But Drew Lock,
Speaker 1: I think you told me downstairs. The restless crowd in
Speaker 1: Denver does not want to see Drew Lock on the field.
Speaker 1: There was some and it was like mixed booze when
Speaker 1: he came out for the game. Now, maybe they didn't
Speaker 1: know Bridgewater was heard at the time and they thought
Speaker 1: they were just benching him, and they were like booing
Speaker 1: that decision partly. But Locked struggled. He didn't know what
Speaker 1: he was seeing. This happens. But his first fifteen dropbacks,
Speaker 1: I think he had fifty six yards passing, but had
Speaker 1: taken three or fourth acts in that so like net yards,
Speaker 1: they had almost nothing. They've just lost too many players.
Speaker 1: Bridgewater is their eighth starter who's now out. That's a
Speaker 1: lot like it. It's a big number. Yeah, for a
Speaker 1: team that you know I liked, but it was talented.
Speaker 1: That's just a lot going on there. Uh. And they
Speaker 1: lost Patrick certain very late in this game to a
Speaker 1: chest injury, so that would make nine. They need to
Speaker 1: get healthy. And I just give the Ravens a ton
Speaker 1: of credit for getting through this first month of the
Speaker 1: season three and one. I know they got a little
Speaker 1: bit of a break there in Detroit, but ultimately, like
Speaker 1: it was a tough first month schedule, They're gonna get
Speaker 1: healthier and they're up. You know, they're three and one,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't like to do too much
Speaker 1: look ahead on the Sunday Night show because that's what
Speaker 1: we have later in the week. Um. And by the way,
Speaker 1: later in the week, we will be in London. Hello,
Speaker 1: let's get that out there. Remind the people that we
Speaker 1: will be uh on a plane and traveling to England
Speaker 1: for the Jets Falcons game at the Big Top. Looking
Speaker 1: forward to that. Um. But you look at Denver three
Speaker 1: and one at Pittsburgh, Now that used to be a
Speaker 1: really tough game. Well, I don't know what to make
Speaker 1: sense of the Steelers anymore. But after at Pittsburgh home,
Speaker 1: Raiders at Brown's Home, Washington at Cowboys. So if the
Speaker 1: Broncos are good, Greg, and if they can get some
Speaker 1: guys back, of course, but attrition is part of the game, Greg,
Speaker 1: so you can, but don't bail. Now, I'm not bailing,
Speaker 1: but it's also an important part of the game. It's
Speaker 1: you know, Kendall Hinton, our old buddy who took quarterbacks
Speaker 1: napster them last year. Now was like their third receiver,
Speaker 1: that was one of their top positions, and they did
Speaker 1: not get much of a pass rush. I'm fascinated just
Speaker 1: this Broncos. This Ravens team is just kind of I
Speaker 1: think confident that the Broncos wouldn't get much of a
Speaker 1: pass rush. And they're just you know, dialing up plays
Speaker 1: a little differently this year, and they're winning game this
Speaker 1: game pretty easily. All right, let's move on. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the staff and he's got it and he's back and
Speaker 1: he rules to the left. He's throwing towards the end
Speaker 1: soon and it is in complete. The ends on it
Speaker 1: complete of the ends on broke it up by Jot
Speaker 1: and the third. That's the end of the game and
Speaker 1: the Pros winning on the road here in Minneapolis. There
Speaker 1: what three in a row. Jim Donovan with a good
Speaker 1: call w k r K. The Browns allowed to touchdown
Speaker 1: drive on the Vikings first possession, but then the stout
Speaker 1: Cleveland d said that's enough shutting out Minnesota and that's
Speaker 1: ensuing him. Ovens possessions in seven win at US Banks Stadium.
Speaker 1: It's a big road win. Shookie, Miles Garrett and the
Speaker 1: Browns front seven harass Kirk Cousins made them earn every
Speaker 1: single yard. And you know, Kevin's the Fancy's gotta be
Speaker 1: pinching himself in his return to Minnesota. Yeah he does,
Speaker 1: you know the I don't know if I would say
Speaker 1: he's the prodigal son. But somewhere along those lines, Returns
Speaker 1: gets a hard fought win, a really kind of an
Speaker 1: ugly game. If you're a fan of defense, you loved it.
Speaker 1: But offensively, there was a lot to be desired from
Speaker 1: both sides, kirk Cousins marches him right down the field
Speaker 1: to begin with. They look like they're they've game planned well,
Speaker 1: they know exactly how to attack this Brown's defense. They
Speaker 1: even convert a fourth and one and that was it
Speaker 1: five three and ounce from there kirk Cousins with an interception. Um,
Speaker 1: they actually probably got one more chance than they deserved
Speaker 1: at the end and still couldn't convert. A concerning day
Speaker 1: for Vikings fans. If you're thinking about your offense after
Speaker 1: you come off, you know, scoring thirty plus points last week,
Speaker 1: you can't put more than seven on the board. But
Speaker 1: if you're a Browns fan two straight weeks for that
Speaker 1: defense is absolutely dominated and it's certainly one you this
Speaker 1: game today. It's the most surprising thing to me that
Speaker 1: I saw today was that in the second half of
Speaker 1: this game there were fourteen possessions and there were three points.
Speaker 1: And these are two of the best offenses in the
Speaker 1: NFL coming into this game. So explained that for me, Shookie, Well,
Speaker 1: I could I could help you out with that as well,
Speaker 1: because Baker Mayfield played poorly in this game, including a
Speaker 1: a kind of end the game touchdown should have been
Speaker 1: walking for Odell misfire. His accuracy was out the door
Speaker 1: and it's been that way for two weeks. Shook. What's
Speaker 1: going on with Baker? Yeah, we talked about this last week. Greg.
Speaker 1: I think you said if if a box score can
Speaker 1: tell a story, you know this might be the game
Speaker 1: that tells the story. Well, Baker Mayfield's box score can
Speaker 1: completely tell his story. He was poorly. Is putting it nice? Dan?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean. I don't mean to pile on
Speaker 1: a guy who had a bad day. Baker was horrible today.
Speaker 1: The only thing he didn't do wrong was turn the
Speaker 1: ball over. This is probably his worst game as a
Speaker 1: pro in which he did not turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: Fifteen a thirty three overall missing guys had every depth
Speaker 1: of target on the entire field. Odell Beckham Jr. Could
Speaker 1: have back pedaled into the end zone for a game
Speaker 1: ceiling touchdown if he puts it on him in the
Speaker 1: right spot. He was. He was so arrant that it
Speaker 1: made you wonder if maybe the shoulder injury or injury
Speaker 1: that they had on his non throwing shoulder was affecting
Speaker 1: him because it was just that bad. It was it
Speaker 1: was inexplicable. But they were still good offensively on the ground,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb twenty one carries a hundred yards and Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt really defined that offense in the first half, both
Speaker 1: in the running game in the passing game. He had
Speaker 1: a long pickup on a draw that that ended up
Speaker 1: coming down to it kind of advanced the chains and
Speaker 1: put them in position to kick a field before half,
Speaker 1: which ended up being big. Um. You the Browns have
Speaker 1: been you know, you said that they're one of the
Speaker 1: better offenses in the NFL. Statistically. That might be true,
Speaker 1: but for the last three weeks, the Browns have really
Speaker 1: been kind of stuck in the mud offensively. The only
Speaker 1: difference in the last two games has been that their
Speaker 1: defense has really picked them up extremely in this game.
Speaker 1: So they still have a lot of things to figure out.
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest common underlying theme here is
Speaker 1: they don't have Jarvis Landry and it's really hurting Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield in his ability to move the ball through the air.
Speaker 1: They ran, they ran for four. I guess why I
Speaker 1: would put them there is they've been efficient passing the ball,
Speaker 1: and the running game is the best week after week overall,
Speaker 1: and they and they were able to in a game
Speaker 1: where both of these teams really want to run. Only
Speaker 1: one was able to and that was the winning And
Speaker 1: it might be annoying to uh Nick Chubb fantasy owners,
Speaker 1: but it's just it just hums that offense when they
Speaker 1: have Kareem Hunt actively involved and they're doing it as
Speaker 1: a two headed monster in it, it does it. It
Speaker 1: kind of it's good for Cleveland because it does bail
Speaker 1: you out when Baker has these games, and unfortunately Baker
Speaker 1: he has these stretches, it seems because he's inaccuracy this
Speaker 1: week especially what really I struggle to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around Baker with this, Nick, because when he is on,
Speaker 1: he doesn't miss at all, Like he'll have those nineteen
Speaker 1: of twenty one type games where he has Steve Young
Speaker 1: like accuracy, and then this will happen. Is it a
Speaker 1: mechanical issue? Like what where? Where does this come from?
Speaker 1: Where Baker is all over the map in terms of accuracy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it comes within rhythm where he's just kind of
Speaker 1: out of rhythm or he's you know, double clutching that
Speaker 1: type of thing forcing balls. That wasn't really the case today.
Speaker 1: The case was just he simply wasn't hitting open guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it truly was difficult to explain
Speaker 1: watching on TV figuring out how you're missing a dump
Speaker 1: off to Kareem Hunt on third down, You're missing O'Dell
Speaker 1: down the field when he's open. You're missing guys at
Speaker 1: every depth, just throwing high passes through the hands of receivers.
Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted me early in the game and said, why
Speaker 1: aren't they catching Baker's passes because he threw a couple
Speaker 1: of high ones that kind of went through their hands,
Speaker 1: but they were a little out of reach. By the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, it was clear why they weren't catch him
Speaker 1: because he couldn't put it in their catch radius. So
Speaker 1: he needs to figure that out, and he admitted after
Speaker 1: the game that he played very poorly. So if you're
Speaker 1: a Browns fan, you hope that they that he bounces back.
Speaker 1: But it's also really been a test I think of
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski and his ability to get into a rhythm
Speaker 1: as a play caller, because I think he's gotten a
Speaker 1: little too cute offensively. They definitely did two weeks ago
Speaker 1: in against Houston, they did a little bit against Chicago,
Speaker 1: and then they did late in this game where this
Speaker 1: is a team, as we all know They're built to
Speaker 1: finish games by pounding it on the ground with Chub
Speaker 1: and Hunt. And they had a possession late in the
Speaker 1: game where all they had to do was just get
Speaker 1: a couple of first downs, chew the clock and kind
Speaker 1: of salt away the victory, and they decided to throw
Speaker 1: it with a quarterback who wasn't accurate for most of
Speaker 1: the day, and that's what resulted in that Beckham in
Speaker 1: completion on third down. And it was just like, that's
Speaker 1: not how you close out a game. That's not who
Speaker 1: you are. You need to go back to who you
Speaker 1: are and understand your identity. But they're three and one.
Speaker 1: They're winning close games, they're avoiding losing games that they
Speaker 1: very much. We have lost the pack. I do wander
Speaker 1: like his progress, you know, his latest ad. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like a little bit down, and I just
Speaker 1: wonder if that's like getting in his head, like because
Speaker 1: he's not getting as much. You know, Mark might be listening.
Speaker 1: So he's been great in the past, but this this
Speaker 1: the latest. You think it's like the cut that meat.
Speaker 1: It's like you jumped the shark and away, um well
Speaker 1: perhaps and on the Viking side. Before we move on,
Speaker 1: I'll just mention this um as great as they look
Speaker 1: last week, I didn't think they never necessarily looked even terrible.
Speaker 1: I'm just terrible in this game on offense. I think
Speaker 1: it was just a really good Cleveland defense that was
Speaker 1: locked in, but Dalvin Cook aggravated that ankle issue and
Speaker 1: he was able to come back in the game when
Speaker 1: they were trying to get that late score. But it's
Speaker 1: just something to track because Cooke, we know, has his
Speaker 1: injury issues staying healthy, and if it's something that he
Speaker 1: you know, he was forced to sit out multiple series,
Speaker 1: it's something that might he might have to deal with
Speaker 1: for a long time this season, if not for the
Speaker 1: balance of the season. So keep an eye on that
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. All right, we're gonna move on to Big
Speaker 1: D the Cowboys rising right after this. Prescott and the
Speaker 1: gun looking right pumps throws it downtop by robson the
Speaker 1: fog spite st rocking the dog opening the game, painting
Speaker 1: defense touchdown. Zeke Elliott went three and Dak Prescott through
Speaker 1: four touchdown passes including that game. I sorted Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: the Cowboys romp about the final score. It was over
Speaker 1: the Panthers also knocked from the ranks of the unbeaten,
Speaker 1: but this turned into a blowout shook the Cowboys look
Speaker 1: like an offensive force, while the Panthers learned this football
Speaker 1: thing is hard against the good teams. Yeah, an offensive
Speaker 1: force that's missed his rushing attack. Uh and number twenty
Speaker 1: one for a little over a year who definitely went
Speaker 1: back to his premiere form this week. Zeke was fast,
Speaker 1: he hit the hole's hard, and he ripped off multiple
Speaker 1: long runs that really got their offense going. And you
Speaker 1: have to give credit as well to Tony Pollard who
Speaker 1: was like the perfect complimentary back to Zeke, and they
Speaker 1: both were gashing Carolina's defense in the first half and
Speaker 1: the second half. Zeke ripped off a forty seven yard
Speaker 1: run um in the second half that kind of propelled
Speaker 1: them toward another scoring possession and kind of basically it
Speaker 1: was like the almost the dagger um in that game
Speaker 1: as part of that run in the second half where
Speaker 1: they overcame a deficit. But it was a complete effort
Speaker 1: from them offensively. Dad didn't have to do that much,
Speaker 1: you know, only through two passes because Zeke was doing
Speaker 1: so well on the ground and Tony Pollard deck ran
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. And and the defense. You know,
Speaker 1: this is something that we that we gave the Cowboys
Speaker 1: so much um grief for it last year. It was
Speaker 1: their sieve of a defense and instead this year, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's work is starting to show. It's namely in the
Speaker 1: way that Travon Digs has played. You had two interceptions
Speaker 1: again today. Uh they both led to points. Ten total
Speaker 1: points overall, one touchdown on the field goal. And other
Speaker 1: guys like Michael Parsons are playing really well. You know,
Speaker 1: as a group, they're playing total team defense. It's all
Speaker 1: coming together and we're starting to see a Cowboys team,
Speaker 1: don't don't you know, I'm not this is not hyperbole here,
Speaker 1: but we are starting to see a Cowboys team that
Speaker 1: is potentially fulfilling what we thought we'd see from them
Speaker 1: last year the year before on paper. They're starting to
Speaker 1: really bring that to life on the field so far.
Speaker 1: And this is probably I know they had a big
Speaker 1: win on Sunday Night last week, but this is probably
Speaker 1: their most impressive win to date. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's not like we need to wait to hype
Speaker 1: up the Cowboys there if they're not the best. The
Speaker 1: offense in the league. Yeah, their second or third at worst.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're almost They're unstoppable. It's not like
Speaker 1: you need to see much more than that that. The
Speaker 1: defense doesn't even need to be good for them to
Speaker 1: be Super Bowl contenders. They threw the ball twenty six
Speaker 1: times last week, scored forty one points. They threw it
Speaker 1: twenty two times this week, scored thirty six points. The
Speaker 1: Panthers supposedly, you know, statistically had the best rush defense
Speaker 1: in the league coming into this game. Uh, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: set a record where it was five point five yards
Speaker 1: before contact on average running the ball in this game.
Speaker 1: So that is just an offensive line that is steamrolling opponents.
Speaker 1: And now we know they can steam roll good opponents.
Speaker 1: And if the running game is that good dac you know,
Speaker 1: making the decisions and being able to be so accurate,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I would I would take them
Speaker 1: over any offense in the league right now. I think
Speaker 1: the the stat that kind of proved because this is
Speaker 1: this is a litmus test for them, right at least
Speaker 1: a little bit against the defense that was playing with
Speaker 1: its hair on fire through the first three weeks in Carolina,
Speaker 1: and we were like, well, We'll see how the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do against this defense. Maybe they are for real, maybe
Speaker 1: they're not. The Cowboys scored thirties six points and five
Speaker 1: rushing yards Sunday. Right before that, the Panthers had only
Speaker 1: allowed thirty total points and a hundred thirty five rushing
Speaker 1: yards in their first three games. So you want to
Speaker 1: talk about dominance in a statement game, it was definitely that.
Speaker 1: It's a great like reminder of like defensive rankings is
Speaker 1: almost entirely predictive on the teams you've played if you
Speaker 1: just like to do the math to it. Because in
Speaker 1: this game, I think they almost had a gholston, which
Speaker 1: is our word for no quarterback hits, no sacks. I
Speaker 1: believe they touched Doc one time. And we could be
Speaker 1: better by the way, as um a football industry, when
Speaker 1: you go thrown around things like wow, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: some showdown between the high flying Cowboys and football's number
Speaker 1: one defense the Panthers, Like WHOA, you have to earn
Speaker 1: being I don't care about the statistical side of things.
Speaker 1: You have to earn that type of title. And they
Speaker 1: didn't put up any resistance Carolina, But what about on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. First game, full game
Speaker 1: without Christian McCaffrey. Did you see anything in the Running
Speaker 1: game while McCaffrey is out to build on and what
Speaker 1: about Sam Donald? Well, the headline in the Running Game
Speaker 1: is Sam Donalds two rushing touchdowns. But I'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a second, because Tuba Hubbard does deserve a
Speaker 1: little bit of credit. He has been a pretty hard
Speaker 1: runner for them in a decent replacement for McCaffrey. But
Speaker 1: he's obviously not Christian McCaffrey, and they do need more
Speaker 1: on the ground overall. Having said that, Sam Donald's two
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns today, uh, five rushing touchdowns in the year.
Speaker 1: He you know, he's He's putting up outrageous rushing numbers
Speaker 1: when it comes to touchdowns for quarterbacks, especially from a
Speaker 1: guy like him. He scrambled on multiple attempts to pick
Speaker 1: up first downs. Yes, but the thing is is I
Speaker 1: still need to see a little bit more from him
Speaker 1: in terms of consistency through the air. He threw two
Speaker 1: interceptions today that immediately lead to points for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and totally swung the game in favor of Doubts. I mean,
Speaker 1: Carolina was punch for punch with them through the first
Speaker 1: half and into the third quarter. Sam's mistakes put them
Speaker 1: in a position where they had to fight, you know,
Speaker 1: an uphill battle, and they basically ran out of time.
Speaker 1: I do give them credit, though, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: young team and they fought to the end. They just
Speaker 1: kind of ran out of time. But if they didn't
Speaker 1: dig themselves that whole, which Sam basically dug for them,
Speaker 1: then we might be talking out a different outcome and
Speaker 1: potentially a statement went for the Panthers. So right now,
Speaker 1: you know, we've all talked about how Sam has improved
Speaker 1: in so many different areas, but a couple of the
Speaker 1: areas that we know that he still hasn't gotten better
Speaker 1: at ball security when getting sacked. He didn't really fumble
Speaker 1: the ball away today even though he got sacked five times.
Speaker 1: But those two interceptions proved to be the difference that
Speaker 1: just like on the defensive side of the ball. And
Speaker 1: that's not to totally denigrate what they did in the
Speaker 1: first three weeks, because they did win three games, but
Speaker 1: the true tests with Donald has yet to come. And
Speaker 1: and maybe this sounds like it was little up and
Speaker 1: down obviously, all right, one more game was Shookie um
Speaker 1: Let's head to lambau Field and the snap rush on
Speaker 1: Rogers with time initially wakes though, what's up? He's done? Touchdown?
Speaker 1: That's why Aaron wanted his boy Randall back Wayne Larvy
Speaker 1: with the call w TMJ. I guess whatever. Rogers connected
Speaker 1: with Randall cop for two touchdowns and he ran for
Speaker 1: another score. Rogers did is the Packers beat the Steelers seventeen,
Speaker 1: their third straight win. Uh, Rogers are steady here, shookie.
Speaker 1: But Pittsburgh now has lost three straight after that week
Speaker 1: one win in Buffalo, and they haven't scored more than
Speaker 1: seventeen points. So are we in an in any of
Speaker 1: those games? Are we at a place now and Steelers
Speaker 1: football where anything involving a shootout, they're just not gonna
Speaker 1: be competitive, Yes, although I don't know if necessarily there'll
Speaker 1: be in a ton of shootouts if their defense is healthy,
Speaker 1: and their defense is what kept them in this game today.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to them possessing the ball, it
Speaker 1: is it is a struggle. You know. I remember a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago or so, Greg had said about
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Why does everything have to be so hard?
Speaker 1: That is the Steelers? Why does everything have to go
Speaker 1: so hard? For them with the football in their hands
Speaker 1: on fourth and less than five or less than seven.
Speaker 1: It is a disaster. It's comical, like it's to the
Speaker 1: point where I hope they get the ball fourth and
Speaker 1: seven or less because I want to see how they're
Speaker 1: gonna mess it up. You know, they again fourth in
Speaker 1: one today they come out trips bunch tied to the left,
Speaker 1: naj Harris, and they got to the right. And I
Speaker 1: sit there and look at the screen. I got this
Speaker 1: is a dump off to Harris. And guess what everybody
Speaker 1: in Lambo Stadium, including the Packers entire defense, namely Jaire Alexander,
Speaker 1: they also knew that was coming dump off the Harris
Speaker 1: loss of yards turnover on downs fourth and five later,
Speaker 1: what do we do? A one yard drag? Did Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster who gets wrapped up and reaches out in
Speaker 1: vain a full six feet short of the first down
Speaker 1: line to gain on fourth and five another turnover on downs?
Speaker 1: That right there, uh captures what the Steelers are offensively.
Speaker 1: They cannot move the ball quickly. They do move the
Speaker 1: ball sometimes, but they can't convert the downs that they
Speaker 1: need to. It all starts with Ben Roethlisberger, also that
Speaker 1: offensive line that's still young, cannot create a lot of
Speaker 1: room for Naja Harris to work. Doesn't give Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: a lot of time to throw. But his lack of mobility,
Speaker 1: his age is very much showing forty today, seventy eight
Speaker 1: point three pass reading after one one touchdown interception. It
Speaker 1: just I think he's in the Gabbar zone here again
Speaker 1: very much. It's ugly. We are we are getting to
Speaker 1: the point where I tweeted today, it's mind numbing watching
Speaker 1: them trying to move the football. The end, it is
Speaker 1: absolutely perplexing. The end is it's it rarely ends well
Speaker 1: for these guys, and it's happening like we saw with
Speaker 1: Eli Manning and the Giants, who was in the same
Speaker 1: draft class, that's happening now for Big Ben, and I
Speaker 1: just wonder um show him. By the way, do you
Speaker 1: think Juju Smith Schuster is reconsidering that decision to stay
Speaker 1: in that That's what it was. Eight targets today for
Speaker 1: eleven yards. The only decision worse than bringing back Ben
Speaker 1: was Juju picking the Steelers. He took less money over
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I don't buy that. I think that was
Speaker 1: a little pr but either way, like, uh yeah he could,
Speaker 1: but he could be catching passes for Patrick. I mean
Speaker 1: it feels like Shook that if if it was another situation,
Speaker 1: and it's it's the same. It's what got Ben McAdoo
Speaker 1: fired in New York. By the way, when you're like,
Speaker 1: let me move move away from the veteran who's won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls, but they don't really have anybody back
Speaker 1: there that unless you're Dwayne Haskins fan or a Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph guy. I guess they're gonna ride it out or
Speaker 1: do you think there's any chance we might start hearing
Speaker 1: some rumbles about job security here? Well, that's the thing is.
Speaker 1: You know a good friend of mine, I do a
Speaker 1: podcast with his name, Sean, A small plug. There's a
Speaker 1: Steelers fans the podcast, it's the Seaun and Shook Podcast.
Speaker 1: You find all right when you tape it, because then
Speaker 1: he's going to criticize your role out just trying. He
Speaker 1: tried to promote his own podcast. He didn't say the name,
Speaker 1: so no, I know, not not the marketing genius right here. Um,
Speaker 1: he's a Steeler fan. And when we've talked about this
Speaker 1: at length, it's just he's like, do we see a change,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know as as well as I
Speaker 1: know that that that's not going to happen because of
Speaker 1: who Ben Roethlisberg is what I fear for Steeler fans.
Speaker 1: I know it's really but what I fear for them
Speaker 1: is that this turns into a Derek Jeter retirement tour
Speaker 1: and and as the Steelers try to work out the
Speaker 1: kinks and point to their youth at so many other positions,
Speaker 1: they just ride it out until the end of the
Speaker 1: season and then take the next step. The thing is,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned Mason Rudolph, he's not even under team
Speaker 1: control so like beyond this year, so it might not
Speaker 1: be him and I end up being Dwayne Haskins. There's
Speaker 1: no clear plan, like you said, which I think also
Speaker 1: points to the fact that I don't think they move
Speaker 1: on from Ben because they have nowhere else to go.
Speaker 1: I just think they kind of take their lumps and
Speaker 1: try to figure it out as they go. My real
Speaker 1: question is Randy Finger took all the heat last year
Speaker 1: for their offenses. Um, you know, just breakdown down the
Speaker 1: stretch last year. T Yeah, does he get held to
Speaker 1: the same standards because I'm not seeing anything better except
Speaker 1: for some pre snap motion. That's it. No, I think
Speaker 1: you can blame the players. I think it's fine too.
Speaker 1: It's it's fine to blame the offensive line unless Jason
Speaker 1: Garretts d O C and then Greg would blame I'm
Speaker 1: saying in this case, like, what's the commonality? What's the commonality?
Speaker 1: Now it's all there, It's all laid bare for the Steelers.
Speaker 1: And this was always within the range of outcomes that
Speaker 1: we're not writing them off. It's it's October three or whatever.
Speaker 1: But this was always within the range of outcomes when
Speaker 1: we were talking about this team leading into it could
Speaker 1: go bad. So far, it's the two games. There are
Speaker 1: two games behind three different teams in their division. We
Speaker 1: should give some credit though to the accords when I
Speaker 1: watched them, especially like today, like they to me seem
Speaker 1: like the purest Shanahan offense there is right now, Like
Speaker 1: they got the outside zone running against the Steelers, which
Speaker 1: to me is impressive. Dylan Aaron Jones didn't pop off
Speaker 1: in terms of his numbers, but he had a couple
Speaker 1: of big plays like the week one seems so far
Speaker 1: away for both of these teams. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: a long way away for both these teams. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to be excited if you're a Packers fan just
Speaker 1: from the consistency you're seeing from this offense. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't put up a ton of points, but they moved
Speaker 1: the football effectively. And the Steelers got away with what
Speaker 1: I think was a tripping call that ended up being
Speaker 1: a sack credited T. J. Watt that kind of um
Speaker 1: stalled the drive that was probably gonna end up in
Speaker 1: a touchdown for them as well. So maybe you know,
Speaker 1: four more points on the board for them there. They
Speaker 1: are consistent, they're effective. It seems like they've worked through
Speaker 1: their growing pains that they had in Week one. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you get a guy like Randall Cops
Speaker 1: too touchdown passes, you're like, hey, we don't have to
Speaker 1: just go to Davante Adams. We can go to a
Speaker 1: number of different guys and still score points. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I have nothing bad to say about them,
Speaker 1: um Ji Alexander his card off after this game, so
Speaker 1: hopefully or during this game after he made that tackle
Speaker 1: on Naga Harris, so hopefully that they avoid something serious
Speaker 1: there with that. But overall, um, you have to feel
Speaker 1: confident about them, all right, CHUCKI thank you, buddy. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be obviously in London taping our show next Sunday.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, time zone wise, whether
Speaker 1: you're gonna be involved with our show, but if it
Speaker 1: all sinks up, we'd love to see you over the
Speaker 1: ocean next week, buddy. Thank you. We can do that virtually,
Speaker 1: you know. Just we have to agree now, no usage
Speaker 1: of across the pond. No across the pond, all right now, Tory,
Speaker 1: I'm going across the pond. There goes Shookie. Let's head
Speaker 1: to the link where the Chiefs try to get back
Speaker 1: on track. They're doing six for the Chiefs. Last player
Speaker 1: be full the tree minute warning Chiefs were gonna throw
Speaker 1: it here and my homes are throwing it up. He's
Speaker 1: got tyreek cal Offen and calls it up touched off
Speaker 1: chance City Homes. What he wanted, single coverage and a
Speaker 1: whole half of the field to let the Cheetah run
Speaker 1: as far and as long as he could. Mitch Holter's
Speaker 1: w d a f you know, Matt money Smith, the
Speaker 1: voice of God on this podcast, having like a tantrum
Speaker 1: on the power rankings together. Every Tuesday, NFL Network, three
Speaker 1: pm eastern noon Pacific about the Chiefs being in trouble
Speaker 1: and their offense being in trouble. Oh please, you got
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. That's the answer. Then he threw five touchdown
Speaker 1: passes in many ways. He threw like a ski ball
Speaker 1: shot uh for a touchdown. He did a shovel for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. He threw a deep bomb there to Tyreek
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. Tyreek at three touchdowns, Chiefs over Eagles,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know this is what Kansas City looks
Speaker 1: like when they play a cleaner game on offense, and
Speaker 1: they hadn't been cleaned in recent weeks. The killer fumble
Speaker 1: against the Ravens late in that game, four turnovers last
Speaker 1: week in uh an upset loss, and now you play
Speaker 1: a clean game, you get forty two points. The other
Speaker 1: team's gonna score because the Chiefs continue Gregg to have
Speaker 1: issues on defense. But the Eagles, as they did um
Speaker 1: last week, kill themselves and two weeks ago as well,
Speaker 1: kill themselves with unforced errors, three touchdowns negated by penalty
Speaker 1: resulting in three four point plays. You know that's what
Speaker 1: the old Michae Lombardi saying, you probably took them from
Speaker 1: parcels when you leave a touchdown on the field, kick
Speaker 1: a field goal, you'll lose four points. Well, do the
Speaker 1: math three of those. I'm not great at it. Four
Speaker 1: times three is twelve. You lost Payne. They led the
Speaker 1: league and penalties coming into this week. I think they
Speaker 1: had set the Eagles record for most penalties in a
Speaker 1: three week span. That's concerning, not shocking. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs actually lose the turnover battle in this game one
Speaker 1: and nothing, uh, and they still put up forty two.
Speaker 1: It It's funny because with the Chiefs, it's like people
Speaker 1: are like they haven't really developed their offense. They haven't
Speaker 1: really like changed it that much in the last few years,
Speaker 1: and they're not really getting anything beyond Tyreek Hill and
Speaker 1: Kelsey and it's it's like, uh, yeah, you don't even
Speaker 1: really need to and you still put up forty two
Speaker 1: on the Eagles and the only reason the Chargers beat
Speaker 1: you is because you've turned it over four times. So
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the offense. And they got the
Speaker 1: running game going, which I think is is a big
Speaker 1: sign for them because I think they will need to
Speaker 1: run it efficiently at least to be the team that
Speaker 1: they need to. They're gonna have to put up four
Speaker 1: to each week at this rate. They will. By the way,
Speaker 1: speaking of offense, no defense, we got a little jackpot
Speaker 1: in this game, and this surprised me for only the
Speaker 1: fourth time. That's our jackpot for only the fourth time.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be more like you
Speaker 1: would hear the coins falling, Ricky, and maybe some buzz
Speaker 1: in the crowd. Let's let's work on our jackpot sound
Speaker 1: effects for next week. Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: the crowd ambiance. That's a bad job on me. I
Speaker 1: should have I'm not I'm not pointing fingers. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I think we, the collective, we could be better with
Speaker 1: that no punt game that hit it again, Hit it again,
Speaker 1: Jack Bay Brent Musburger is gonna sue me because, for
Speaker 1: the only the fourth time in NFL history, Greg there
Speaker 1: was no punts in a game, and it happened here.
Speaker 1: The chief scored every time they had the ball except
Speaker 1: for one. Mahomes I and T and the Eagles, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they killed themselves with mistakes. Otherwise they were moving the
Speaker 1: ball well. I thought Jalen Hurts was good in this game.
Speaker 1: Um fancy god, Jalen hurt Seriously, he is a top
Speaker 1: five at worst, and because even when they're getting blown out,
Speaker 1: he's he's finds a way in the end zone a
Speaker 1: couple of times late, and he did it again this
Speaker 1: week after he did it on Monday night. But as
Speaker 1: long as if the defense is gonna get lit up
Speaker 1: like this week after week, they are just not you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna leave that entire division in the dust.
Speaker 1: I just think they got stuck playing the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs every week. But it's pointed out that any
Speaker 1: hope that the Eagles defense was special and any anything
Speaker 1: beyond just average is hoping for too much. That's insane.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs went six for six scoring touchdowns. It's that
Speaker 1: It's one thing to put up forty two. It's another
Speaker 1: thing to do it in seven possessions. And that's I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's crazy, that's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta shorten the game against the Chiefs. You've gotta
Speaker 1: make them work hard. It's like, okay, once again, you
Speaker 1: just shortened, uh the amount of time it takes to lose, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like the rest of the answer no answer.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're the Tampa Bay Bucks in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Uh, it's gonna be very hard to cook
Speaker 1: up a scheme to actually stop the Chiefs. So then
Speaker 1: it becomes something else. That means your offense has to
Speaker 1: have a big day and you have to get turnovers
Speaker 1: and that's how you beat the Chiefs. And uh, the
Speaker 1: Eagles were unable uh to do anything to match the
Speaker 1: Chiefs on offense in this game. And the one turnover
Speaker 1: was all that, um they were able to get in
Speaker 1: that game. So that's it for the Philly offense. I
Speaker 1: know some of it was late, but still thirty first downs.
Speaker 1: That feels good after that. Yeah, the chief I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a Chiefs fan, you're frustrated because you can't
Speaker 1: get off the field. But it must be nice to
Speaker 1: have Patrick there to clean up all the messiness. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs back to five. Let's move up Jones out
Speaker 1: of the gun hand off stake Kwa slice is right
Speaker 1: to the end zone and in with the touchdown of
Speaker 1: the Giants winning it over time Like what, Barkley, it's
Speaker 1: not a six shard run. Here's your off with dog.
Speaker 1: You know, let's give the Giants a little Uh, it's
Speaker 1: on a New York City. They deserve it for this one.
Speaker 1: It's on in northern New Jersey's not in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: SA Kuon Barkley ran for a six yard t D
Speaker 1: and overtime after Daniel Jones passed for a career high
Speaker 1: four oh two, Jim rally for the first win of
Speaker 1: the season over the Saints. Greg and I know this
Speaker 1: one hurts you and you canna you heard great. I
Speaker 1: almost could hear him whimpering. I can't see him over
Speaker 1: the screen, but when he's suffering, uh, I can feel it.
Speaker 1: And when it's the Giants of all teams coming up
Speaker 1: coming back on the Saints in the return to the Superdome,
Speaker 1: my goodness, they had it all set up. Fourth quarter lead,
Speaker 1: What the hell happened? One ten and with the ball
Speaker 1: and I think that sequence and Giants fans, I'll give
Speaker 1: you your love shortly because you guys, they deserve it.
Speaker 1: It was a great comeback that the Saints get the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm just saying because that was the story
Speaker 1: and that's where I was gonna go first, but you
Speaker 1: set me up in a particular way, so you've got
Speaker 1: to go with the host. They're no. No, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just answering. I have now wasted forty seconds that
Speaker 1: none of you listening well every song and that sequence
Speaker 1: with the Saints getting the ball. It was second and three,
Speaker 1: I remember it well, and it's about eight minutes left
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, they're just gonna run over the Giants.
Speaker 1: Giants are built pretty well to stop the run. And
Speaker 1: no matter how much the Saints just kept looking for
Speaker 1: that big camera play, they weren't quite getting it. They
Speaker 1: ran the ball thirty nine times in this game, I believe,
Speaker 1: and they only threw it twenty three. The New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints like in a close game. They stuffed Camara to
Speaker 1: make it third and two, and then you bring out
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill and it was a there's a lot of
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill today, and there was a lot of good.
Speaker 1: You got a couple of touchdowns, and there was some bad.
Speaker 1: You got an ugly interception, and you got him getting
Speaker 1: stuffed on this third down. And I just think the
Speaker 1: way the Saints are playing football right now, it's a
Speaker 1: really slim margin for error. I think that Sean Payton
Speaker 1: is trying to play to his defense and play to
Speaker 1: his running game. And there were points in this game
Speaker 1: where even though at one point Jamis hit twelve straight passes.
Speaker 1: It felt like they were just hoping Jamis would not
Speaker 1: lose the game. And that's where like, hey, let us
Speaker 1: go win the game here, Jamis. Let's not be conservative,
Speaker 1: let's not run the ball. And that happened a couple
Speaker 1: of times late in this game, and they gave the
Speaker 1: Giants a chance, and to the Giants credit, they took advantage.
Speaker 1: This is such a transition for the Saints because the
Speaker 1: way you're talking about how they're using Jamis, who by
Speaker 1: the ways box score tells the story of a good game.
Speaker 1: He had a hundred nineteen passer rating, but using Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara like this, twenty six carries for a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty yards. You never used to see Kamara in that
Speaker 1: type of role. Um, right, And then you know, so
Speaker 1: you have that side of things, and so the Saint's
Speaker 1: kind of are still figuring themselves out. And and I
Speaker 1: know we talked about Greg. I think you even made
Speaker 1: a case for him having the best defense in the league.
Speaker 1: They took a step back. They're figuring themselves out. The Giants,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I think, yes, like you did, Greg,
Speaker 1: and that was very nice to you again, magnanimous. You
Speaker 1: gotta give him credit because everyone thought the season was
Speaker 1: over last week, and perhaps it is. Perhaps the Giant
Speaker 1: stink and they're gonna end up. We'll look back at
Speaker 1: this in a couple of months and they'll be two
Speaker 1: and nine or whatever. But when you lose that game
Speaker 1: the way you did to the Falcons, to go on
Speaker 1: the road in that supercharged atmosphere and find a way
Speaker 1: to come back. And I think Sae Kwon Barkley is
Speaker 1: a key to all this for well, two things. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones again, when you look at his game by game
Speaker 1: results and I haven't seen this game yet, but I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. He seems like he's making progress
Speaker 1: as a passer. And then you factor in se Quon,
Speaker 1: who I thought he looked very close to peak, maybe
Speaker 1: not peak, but star se Kuan last week. And now
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers again and he is a
Speaker 1: huge factor in the running game and as a receiver.
Speaker 1: That's big news for the job. Hundred twenty six yards
Speaker 1: from scrimmage. Right after that sequence, I was talking about
Speaker 1: the Giants get one of their two one play drives
Speaker 1: in this game. It was it was kind of a
Speaker 1: freaky game. They had a one play drive in the
Speaker 1: first half, first touchdown of the game, fifty two yards
Speaker 1: to John Ross after a weird Sean Ross. I'd get
Speaker 1: to that one. And then another one play drive se
Speaker 1: kuon Barkley for fifty four where he beats Marshawn Lattimore.
Speaker 1: So that tells you it was a great play called
Speaker 1: by Jason garrett Um and they fooled Lattimore who did
Speaker 1: not think Barkley was gonna cut it up field beautiful past.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones played so clean four two yards to who scores.
Speaker 1: His pick was on a Hail Mary interception at the
Speaker 1: end of the first half, so that's not even against him,
Speaker 1: no mistakes, has made great decisions. You're write about Barkley,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you could have a more positive
Speaker 1: game in terms of the Giants offense, because not only
Speaker 1: did Barkley, you know, make those big plays, including the
Speaker 1: game winner. It's awesome when you get the game winning
Speaker 1: touchdown in overtime, uh and that long play. But Gola
Speaker 1: Day was so big in this game six for one,
Speaker 1: sixteen and Darius Tony, their first round pick who everyone's
Speaker 1: been killing Ghettoman for has an amazing burst to his
Speaker 1: I mean, he is explosive. So these injuries that they
Speaker 1: got to shepherd uh and slate and especially when those
Speaker 1: guys come back, maybe it's good because it made them
Speaker 1: come up with something for Tony And he was beating
Speaker 1: Pauls and Adibou who who's you know, been pretty good
Speaker 1: as a rookie cornerback, but they picked on him all day.
Speaker 1: His miscommunication set up the game winning touchdown against Golladay.
Speaker 1: Tony had a number of big plays in this including
Speaker 1: like a third and nineteen conversion. I was really impressed
Speaker 1: by him, so I almost thought, wow, Ross and Tony
Speaker 1: on the field, like we're cooking with some speed here
Speaker 1: this Giant's offense. I know they didn't move it all game,
Speaker 1: but at four five yards that's pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 1: to be without there. I know Holiday is their number one,
Speaker 1: but he hadn't been at to this point to play
Speaker 1: without two top receivers and still get four hundred from Jones,
Speaker 1: That's that's a big thing. So total and I do
Speaker 1: before we move that, I do want to point out
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Sorry, yeah, it just seems like he he
Speaker 1: had a weird game. He he uh decided not he
Speaker 1: decided not to kick a forties six or seven yard
Speaker 1: field go in the first half, and he went for
Speaker 1: it on fourth and three and he hands it off
Speaker 1: to Camara. They don't get it. So fourth and three
Speaker 1: now again conservative, like that's a running down. Now didn't work.
Speaker 1: Then like the next drive, it's almost in his head.
Speaker 1: It's fourth and two and there further back, and they
Speaker 1: decided to kick a fifty eight yarder with Rosas, who
Speaker 1: hasn't made a kick in weeks, and they missed that
Speaker 1: very next play h John Ross with the touch that
Speaker 1: like there was another sequence where a penalty overturns o
Speaker 1: Jamis throw very very next play, they put Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: to throw it deep and he throws a wounded duck
Speaker 1: about buzzing about that one about fifteen yards behind an
Speaker 1: open receiver. I forget if I think it was Harris
Speaker 1: who if he hit him, it was a touchdown, throws
Speaker 1: it way back and then they blew And this is
Speaker 1: what killed me. They blew all three of their time outs,
Speaker 1: like early in the second half, and they needed him
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. They could have tried
Speaker 1: to set up for a game winning field goal, and
Speaker 1: they those timeouts were gone like two in the third
Speaker 1: quarter and one early in the fourth. He just seemed
Speaker 1: like he was on the fritz a little bit. Jamis
Speaker 1: actually played well once he settled into this game. They
Speaker 1: should have let him throw a little more. It was
Speaker 1: not a good Sean pat obviously, Greg on tilt right now.
Speaker 1: I am sorry. I had a lot to say about
Speaker 1: that game. Listen, It's okay to be the hockey talk man.
Speaker 1: This is your new favorite team and that I just wanted.
Speaker 1: Now you're so off on this and you're feeling this
Speaker 1: emotionally this one. Um, they're a hard team to figure
Speaker 1: out right now. I don't I don't know, I you know,
Speaker 1: I have to watch this one, but they they are
Speaker 1: through four games all over the place. We do have
Speaker 1: to give it up to Darius Slayton before we go
Speaker 1: to for the all time coin flip performed. Really, I
Speaker 1: think in NFL history, dare I mean not Darius slat
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry Rill who was out with an injury,
Speaker 1: but he fights through it. He's out for the game
Speaker 1: with injury, fights through it, goes out to midfield and
Speaker 1: puts up one of the all time CoInc performances. You're
Speaker 1: our visiting team. You have the choice. This is tails,
Speaker 1: this is heads. Hands. Yes, I'm confident we want that ball.
Speaker 1: Ask them just so good. Almost always when someone says
Speaker 1: I'm confident, I'm confident, they are not confident. But in
Speaker 1: this case, I absolutely believed it. Who was that Pepper?
Speaker 1: See that? See the Odell trade keeps on paying dividends. Wow,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on and this will be a
Speaker 1: forty nine yards Oh it's on a New York City.
Speaker 1: If he misses, the Jets win out of the hold
Speaker 1: of townsend the snap, clean, the placement down, the kick
Speaker 1: on the way, does it have the distance? Hit floats left.
Speaker 1: It's no good, It's no good. He pulled it left
Speaker 1: and the Jets win it in overtime on the missed
Speaker 1: field goal by Bullock. They've got their first point of
Speaker 1: the sea. You know, Bob is shoosing is such a
Speaker 1: great play by play guy. We never hear him in
Speaker 1: the show because the Jets never win, but they want today.
Speaker 1: So let me have this Greg because it just never
Speaker 1: happens anymore. Randy, Randy, Randy. Down there. Randy Bullock was
Speaker 1: wide left on a potential tying forty nine yard field
Speaker 1: goal fifteen seconds left to give the Jets their first
Speaker 1: victory over the Titans at MetLife Stadium. Nice little home
Speaker 1: field advantage, Jets fans turned out. I was happy. This
Speaker 1: is a game, Greg, where it felt like more the
Speaker 1: same early on where the Titans, who were obviously they're
Speaker 1: missing a j Brown, They're missing Julio Jones, so you
Speaker 1: knew they were gonna be up against it. From a
Speaker 1: passing standpoint, they were gonna have to lean on Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry even more than they usually do. And in their
Speaker 1: early going it seemed like it was gonna be fine
Speaker 1: because the Jets offense was just never gonna get going.
Speaker 1: But then it did. The Boy who shall lead us
Speaker 1: showed something here. Greg. I can't wait to go back
Speaker 1: and look at some of these plays again because he
Speaker 1: those plays when when you heard the Mormon Mahomes stuff,
Speaker 1: when Tony Romo said the things that he said, it
Speaker 1: was a couple of the plays in this game where
Speaker 1: he keeps his eyes down fields, he scrambles, he's fading
Speaker 1: towards the sideline, and then he just and the ball
Speaker 1: comes out of his hand. Remember in Tech Moball and
Speaker 1: like the Joe Montana pass would just go right into
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice's hands like a couple of these throws and
Speaker 1: there was a big I think it was Corey Davis
Speaker 1: touchdown where he had his eyes on. Not only did
Speaker 1: he you know it was off platform, he recognized that
Speaker 1: the safety had cheated up and he pointed to Corey,
Speaker 1: get your ass downfield and then drills him with the
Speaker 1: big throw to put him ahead. And it was uneven
Speaker 1: because he also missed a couple of throws that could
Speaker 1: have put the game away. Uh. And it felt like
Speaker 1: the Titans were gonna go and get the Jets, but
Speaker 1: they got some luck down the stretch um a ball
Speaker 1: that maybe the tight end Anthony Ferks should have had
Speaker 1: that could have set him up at the goal line
Speaker 1: or even to win the game. In ot the Titans
Speaker 1: take a delay of game penalty that killed him that
Speaker 1: set up the Bullock miss and the Jets get to
Speaker 1: celebrate Um also getting to celebrate for the first time.
Speaker 1: Let's welcome my old man, Keith Hansas back to the
Speaker 1: podcast the first time in the studio. He'll gut about it.
Speaker 1: He's a big Jets fan. What is he going to say?
Speaker 1: Games to say? What is he going to say? Great
Speaker 1: win by the Jets. Tonight, the Jets finally breaking into
Speaker 1: the wind column. You have to lose in the first three,
Speaker 1: and losing those first three pretty bad. So I think
Speaker 1: Wilson showed a lot of guts the way he played today.
Speaker 1: He's been taking a lot of heat in the papers,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm really proud of the way the
Speaker 1: whole team, both the offense and defense, came together and
Speaker 1: got it out a great win. So Jets, Jets, Jets,
Speaker 1: Now you go, Keith Hansas, greg Um. This is the
Speaker 1: progress that we talked with, the progress we hope to
Speaker 1: see in this game, the Jets being fun to watch,
Speaker 1: and at the Titans expense, who they're killing themselves because like,
Speaker 1: we need to go up there and beat the Jets,
Speaker 1: and here they're they're asking questions about themselves now too right,
Speaker 1: and they have to give Henry thirty three carries. I
Speaker 1: guess it'll never come back to haunt them. Um his workload,
Speaker 1: but man, it's big. Jeremy McNichols, their leading receiver, and
Speaker 1: Chester Rogers. You would just if you're Mike Rabel, you've
Speaker 1: been around for a while. I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of new parts, but you would have liked to have
Speaker 1: a defense that could that could close this game out,
Speaker 1: not give up, not give up this many fourth quarter points.
Speaker 1: Let's bring Engraver. Justin Graver hates such a big Titans fan.
Speaker 1: He's got his own podcast. I'm not here to rub
Speaker 1: it into you, Justin, but I do. I felt like
Speaker 1: you should have the platform. What what are you seeing
Speaker 1: from your Titans? How much did this one hurt? I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt that bad to me. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: if you're an NFL fan of any other team, you
Speaker 1: can say we didn't have at least we didn't have
Speaker 1: the data Titans had. But like, this division is such
Speaker 1: a mass that I feel like by the end of
Speaker 1: the season, we're gonna forget that this game happened. I'd
Speaker 1: like to forget it right now. Actually, I'd like to
Speaker 1: pretend this game didn't happen. They are playing for with
Speaker 1: a big margin for error division. Yeah, now, I think
Speaker 1: that they can survive in that division. This loss, but
Speaker 1: it just shows there another team like the Saints. It's
Speaker 1: kind of hard, hard to make sense of them right now.
Speaker 1: But also with the injuries that they're dealing with at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, they got to get healthy because
Speaker 1: they were just way too um, they're way too uh
Speaker 1: you know, predictable on offense, and and the offensive line
Speaker 1: didn't protect Tannahill either, so it felt like every third
Speaker 1: down was just a sack. Like every third down was
Speaker 1: a sack, right, I mean that was crazy. And there
Speaker 1: was a stat from from I think PFF it was
Speaker 1: our next Gen stats that you know, the Jets had
Speaker 1: four players with six plus press shures, just like the
Speaker 1: most most players with that many pressures of any team
Speaker 1: in five years. So it's not just like one guy
Speaker 1: beating them. Everyone's beating them play after play. They did
Speaker 1: have ninety three plays, which is outrageous, which makes me
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about that TETs defense. It was
Speaker 1: about to hop on hop on a plane, but thank
Speaker 1: you to the Jets so that we're not going to
Speaker 1: cover a game with two winless teams. We didn't need
Speaker 1: any jokes about that. The Jets are coming in with
Speaker 1: a chance to get instead it's to win one win teams.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. But uh, yeah, the Jets defense has been good,
Speaker 1: uh this season. C J. Mosley has been really good.
Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams is really heating up. Now there's some progress
Speaker 1: here and let's see if they can build off it.
Speaker 1: Let's now take a quick break and uh hear from
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Speaker 1: her hide it. He's got time now, slides to his left,
Speaker 1: looks at the thirty five back across the middle of
Speaker 1: the field and the kids that got the thirty turns
Speaker 1: to the trony fire. There's the corner of the troity touchdown.
Speaker 1: Where's the call? Make a call? Reference touchdown Washington. Great
Speaker 1: call by Bram Weinstein w T E. M. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite plays of Week four was Tyler Heineke off platform,
Speaker 1: swings it over to j. D. Mckissic, who does the rest,
Speaker 1: uh diving into the end zone. With thirty three seconds
Speaker 1: to play. After a hail Mary falls unanswered by the Falcons,
Speaker 1: Washington football team escapes with a thirty four thirty victory,
Speaker 1: locking it up for the old Zeus. Sir, but I
Speaker 1: can't really and that's three in ropers user, by the way,
Speaker 1: that yeah, this is championship. You know, lock runs are
Speaker 1: mostly about lucky breaks a big one. So I picked
Speaker 1: you know, you never pick a mediocre team on the road.
Speaker 1: That was mistake number one. Uh, you never typically get
Speaker 1: behind the defense to deliver a dominant performance when they've
Speaker 1: shown nothing to suggest that's coming, which I did as well,
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen. So young and sweaty I think
Speaker 1: I called him on our TV show last week. Uh,
Speaker 1: yucking stinky something like that. It was brilliant, um, But
Speaker 1: that's still the case. They're not getting stops. But uh,
Speaker 1: luckily they were against the Falcons, who cannot close out
Speaker 1: a game. They had no business losing this game, and
Speaker 1: yet they did, right. I mean, not only did they
Speaker 1: give up those two touchdowns or yeah, there's two touchdowns
Speaker 1: in the final four minutes, they gave up a kick
Speaker 1: return touchdown to start the second half. So it's like
Speaker 1: a lot like when you get a kick return touchdown,
Speaker 1: and I always feel like you better win that game,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in Atlanta, and they were still at
Speaker 1: the point where they're down eight going into it. And
Speaker 1: if you just look at those two touchdowns, that's the
Speaker 1: Heineke experience in a nutshell. The first one was a
Speaker 1: ridiculous throw, not in a good way. He just threw
Speaker 1: the Jamis Winston. I'm falling. I don't care. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna throw it up, and maybe that's not a bad
Speaker 1: idea when Terry mclaurin's on the other side. My guy
Speaker 1: goes six for one and two touchdowns in his game
Speaker 1: and he just out muscles the cornerback and and catches
Speaker 1: the pop up with with three fifty left, and then
Speaker 1: that play with mckissic. That that's a good play by Heineke,
Speaker 1: but it also is extremely unconventional. And he's just like
Speaker 1: running to the opposite side spot six about five thousand
Speaker 1: times in the history of its good. You know, he
Speaker 1: was he had his wherewithal enough to spot mckissic in
Speaker 1: that spot. He knew where his checkdown was and there
Speaker 1: was nothing over there. That's a brutal loss Heineke. And
Speaker 1: this is he grew up in this area, in the
Speaker 1: Atlanta area. He completed twenty three or thirty three for
Speaker 1: two ninety three touchdowns. Yeah, some luck was involved, but
Speaker 1: he you know, he's got he's got some juice to
Speaker 1: him and he's Fitzpatrick White. I mean, this is another
Speaker 1: one those where Fitzpatrick throws right and you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see where Ryan Fitzpatrick is and where the Washington football
Speaker 1: team is when Fitzpatrick is potentially ready. But Heineck you
Speaker 1: think is making a case for being the guy right now.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say this for the Falcons
Speaker 1: before we move on. Um, but cordial Cordrel Patterson, who
Speaker 1: for years and years people were trying to figure out
Speaker 1: this guy. How do we make him work on our offense?
Speaker 1: How do we make he's such a dynamo on special teams?
Speaker 1: How do we unlock Patterson? And I guess they have.
Speaker 1: I guess the Falcons and Arthur Smith have because he
Speaker 1: became the first Atlanta player since to score three touchdowns
Speaker 1: in a game, none of them on special teams. Greggy,
Speaker 1: and he led the team in rushing again six for
Speaker 1: thirty four, five, eight, two and three. Is he is
Speaker 1: like a fantasy jugger not And yet you can't help
Speaker 1: but think like, wouldn't it be nice if Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts were bigger jugging nuts. They know they
Speaker 1: had an okay game this today, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think Pitts as yet to find the end zone.
Speaker 1: And Ridley, who I think a lot of his thought
Speaker 1: was just gonna light it up week after week. UM
Speaker 1: with Arthur Smith there it just hasn't happened yet. So
Speaker 1: the Falcons they head to London to face the Jets,
Speaker 1: coming off really a stomach punch loss. One of those
Speaker 1: games that was too bad because neither of these teams
Speaker 1: feels like a two and two team. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Washington's got now a little time to figure some things out.
Speaker 1: They are a two and two team, all right. Let's
Speaker 1: head to Orchard Park? Was it? Orchard Park? Pumps twice?
Speaker 1: Fires it now cut by Carson Knox at the five
Speaker 1: and he goes into the indo touchdown Buffalo Dawson Knox
Speaker 1: with a touchdown. That was just some of the fun
Speaker 1: the Bills had in this game. John Murphy with the
Speaker 1: called w g R Tremade Edmonds had one of Buffalo's
Speaker 1: four interceptions, and the Bills again just beat up on
Speaker 1: an overmatched offense, this time the Texans forty zip the
Speaker 1: final greg. The Bills held Houston to hundred and nine
Speaker 1: yards of offense eight in the first half, six first
Speaker 1: downs total. It's their second shutout in three weeks. The
Speaker 1: Texans had negative twenty three passing yards in the first
Speaker 1: half that this may not surprise you, but that was
Speaker 1: the lowest of any team in any half in uh
Speaker 1: at least twenty years. Pretty pretty deep into the game,
Speaker 1: Mills had more interceptions uh than completions. And yeah, you
Speaker 1: could remember we were talking it was like a seventeen
Speaker 1: and a half point line in this game, and it
Speaker 1: was like he couldn't make one big enough for Davis
Speaker 1: Mills against this Bills defense. We'll find out more about
Speaker 1: this defense. Uh next week they played Kansas City. But
Speaker 1: I've I've been really impressed by them. They lose Matt
Speaker 1: Milano that that hurts, but they have to be feeling
Speaker 1: great with these two blowout wins in a row heading
Speaker 1: into that big Chiefs game. Yeah, they're just building momentum.
Speaker 1: They're building their their steam. Now that's building here after
Speaker 1: that tough Week one loss. Now they look like the
Speaker 1: Bills and uh yeah that's that that is. We have
Speaker 1: the Chiefs coming up now week five. That is beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's a great game. I can't wait for that one. Um.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about Houston. I mean the Texans,
Speaker 1: they they were shaping up early on is a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a underdog story. Everybody thought they would
Speaker 1: be the worst team in football and they're fighting week
Speaker 1: after week. Well, I mean, the longer Davis Mills is
Speaker 1: the quarterback, you might just see more of this, right
Speaker 1: ty Tyrod is gonna miss at least one more week
Speaker 1: because I believe he's on injured reserved. Maybe I'm wrong
Speaker 1: about that, but he was expected to miss one more.
Speaker 1: They they're not going to be competitive as long as
Speaker 1: Mills is out there. But it's big. Sanders has surprised me.
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders week after week has surprised me by being
Speaker 1: a pretty clear upgrade from John Brown. And they're just
Speaker 1: leaving him on the field. And that is a tough
Speaker 1: group to stop. When it's knocked Sanders, Digs, Uh and
Speaker 1: Beasley on the field, that is just maybe the best
Speaker 1: three by one set right now in the entire NFL.
Speaker 1: That hurts a little bit. Smoky Brown was always you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were fans of here on the of him on
Speaker 1: this podcast. And uh, but it looks like Sanders is
Speaker 1: really found a home there. Let's uh stick with the
Speaker 1: a f C East Uh and oh more trouble for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Wins takes a shotgun step steps up in
Speaker 1: the pocket, he throws at the left flat and it
Speaker 1: is I catch a contested grab Cox. He just wanted
Speaker 1: to more of the its own touchdown high y why
Speaker 1: and Matt Taylor w F and I with the call.
Speaker 1: The calls are alive kind of. Carson wentz through two
Speaker 1: touchdown passes the Molly Cox, Jonathan Taylor went over the
Speaker 1: century mark with a score on the ground, and the
Speaker 1: Colts got their first w of the season, beating the
Speaker 1: sputtering Dolphins. Greg uh, this was a game and the
Speaker 1: obviously needed badly and they finally find their way to
Speaker 1: the wind call. Well, sometimes the schedule maker delivers you
Speaker 1: the right opponent at the right moment, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I thought the Dolphins were gonna win this game, but
Speaker 1: I realized during this game this was the right opponent
Speaker 1: at the right time. The Colts did not pass midfield
Speaker 1: in this game Dan until under five minutes left in
Speaker 1: the second quarter, which you would normally think, oh, we're
Speaker 1: in trouble, but no, it was three nothing at that
Speaker 1: point that the Dolphins did not move the ball the
Speaker 1: whole time. They only got that first touchdown drive Indianapolis
Speaker 1: because the Dolphins lined up offsides on a punt. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: like I don't I think they would have gone into
Speaker 1: halftime potentially without having cross midfield, but after that point
Speaker 1: it was one way traffic. It was the Colts team
Speaker 1: you kind of expected to see if you're an optimist
Speaker 1: going into the season. Jonathan Taylor really ran the ball well.
Speaker 1: They pushed them around for about three straight drives. Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz made good decisions. They actually hit some big plays
Speaker 1: down the field, some to their tight ends. One to
Speaker 1: Jack Doyle was big that the mo Alei Cox made
Speaker 1: a couple of plays. Pascal had one forty one yard
Speaker 1: or it was enough, It was clean, and the Dolphins
Speaker 1: offense was just an absolute train wreck for most of
Speaker 1: this game. You'll look at the stat and see they
Speaker 1: got two hundred yards and thirteen first downs. You'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's ugly, but that's only with two garbage time touchdowns.
Speaker 1: They barely moved the ball for about three quarters. I
Speaker 1: think they had six first downs and we're averaging about
Speaker 1: two yards per play against this Colts defense, which until
Speaker 1: this game had really been struggling up until the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: In the game was over by then. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Jake Briskett is who he is, but he's also very
Speaker 1: capable backup quarterback, and we don't know what TOA is
Speaker 1: and we don't know when two is going to be back. Um,
Speaker 1: so this is what it is for the time being.
Speaker 1: But you know, you look at there, I know there's
Speaker 1: not a lot they're running back or it's hard to
Speaker 1: say what they have there. But Tavante Parker, Mike Jasecki,
Speaker 1: you have Jalen Waddle, there, Will Fuller, who I think
Speaker 1: hurt himself again in this game. There should be more
Speaker 1: explosiveness on offense, but we just haven't seen it. Well,
Speaker 1: they're so afraid Two do these deep dropbacks because their
Speaker 1: offensive line has been so bad. And the offensive line
Speaker 1: today was not not necessarily the problem, but they kind
Speaker 1: of max protected from what I could see, did everything
Speaker 1: they could to sell out and protect Jacobe and they
Speaker 1: couldn't scheme guys open. He held the ball for a while.
Speaker 1: It was just it was tough watch this. This would
Speaker 1: be a game. I know, we're going to London, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to get in all the game pass games.
Speaker 1: But they have those like eight minute version highlights or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to choose one game for that,
Speaker 1: this this was not a fun watch. So it's that
Speaker 1: type of game. Okay, And how did Carson Wentz moved
Speaker 1: by the way, how was he looking better than last week?
Speaker 1: But not great? They actually they had a called run
Speaker 1: early in the game because they weren't respecting it, and
Speaker 1: he picked up about eleven yards and it too. It
Speaker 1: took a while. You're just like slide and then he
Speaker 1: he's the worst slider ever. He dives head first and
Speaker 1: because the rule is now that's giving yourself up, you
Speaker 1: can't fumble. But this is at least the second, maybe
Speaker 1: the third time where he just dives on the ground
Speaker 1: like a big goloof And then and then he found
Speaker 1: both the ball, but it doesn't count as a fumball
Speaker 1: because you're you guys just don't know. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's it ties into their youth.
Speaker 1: If you played baseball growing up, you know how to slide.
Speaker 1: If you didn't play baseball, a lot of I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say a lot, but there's certain guys. I think r
Speaker 1: G three comes to mind. Did an RG three? Didn't
Speaker 1: they bring um? Then Yankees manager Joe Girardi in for
Speaker 1: like a session. I remember writing like in a round
Speaker 1: the League post about that um. That's the situation. But Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cults obviously are still in trouble, but just like
Speaker 1: the Titans, it's the AFC South, so being one of
Speaker 1: three isn't a death sentence. At Baltimore next week is
Speaker 1: gonna be tough, But then you get Houston at home,
Speaker 1: so you know, who knows. If you find a way
Speaker 1: to beat the Ravens, who have been a little inconsistent
Speaker 1: of times this year, you could be defense showed up.
Speaker 1: We'll see. It was one game, but this is what
Speaker 1: Steve Weiss was saying coming into this week, maybe that
Speaker 1: the defenses are gonna start turning the corner a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like if I'm a Packers fan or I'm a Cults fan,
Speaker 1: you saw your defense squeeze bad offenses and you're thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna be okay at least the average. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then welcome in Kevin Patrick.
Speaker 1: Clock at six five. We're gonna turn in hand to Collins,
Speaker 1: who finds some running room and break three ten five.
Speaker 1: He's in flips such a one touchdown Seahawks Alex Collins
Speaker 1: is gonna do his Irich dance and well he should. Oh,
Speaker 1: Patrick's Bongo's time, baby, let's go Patris like, I don't cass,
Speaker 1: look at that Alex Collins. He scores, he does as
Speaker 1: Irish Jack, and the Seattle Seahawks coast to victory over
Speaker 1: the Niners. Now that score doesn't tell you coast, but
Speaker 1: it was they were in control of this game. Patrick,
Speaker 1: um can I actually, at first, um, I need to
Speaker 1: go on the record apologizing for to Erica for last week,
Speaker 1: for making her go back and bleep out my swearing tirade.
Speaker 1: I'm not not apologizing for saying those words. Just work
Speaker 1: that she had extra put in. Okay, we call that.
Speaker 1: We we call it Kevin Patrick as salt of the
Speaker 1: Earth tax and we know it's there will be some
Speaker 1: clean up. But he wasn't. No, Pat Patrick had a
Speaker 1: classic performance at the Super Bowl like six years ago
Speaker 1: that we still talk about. Oh right, that's right, well Patrick,
Speaker 1: we like him though he's shooting from he's shooting from
Speaker 1: the hip. As they say, I don't even remember what
Speaker 1: game you're covering at this point, Yeah, barn Burner in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Um, I mean, it was really a tale
Speaker 1: of the forty Niners not taking advantage of early opportunities
Speaker 1: to buried Seattle, who could not get off the ground
Speaker 1: um to start the game five three ounce to start,
Speaker 1: negative twelve yards total offense in the first five possessions,
Speaker 1: and the forty Niners zoom right down behind Jimmy g
Speaker 1: score a touchdown. You thinking this could get ugly for Seattle,
Speaker 1: and then it's completely flipped. Uh, Seattle went traight points.
Speaker 1: It's at one point in the second half or the
Speaker 1: third quarter, and it just felt like it was over.
Speaker 1: Tray Lance Trade Lance took over in the second half
Speaker 1: and he couldn't do anything, but he did anything go
Speaker 1: other than one huge play. And this is this is
Speaker 1: just the beginning for tray Lance. Sound this might be
Speaker 1: the official handoff because even though he didn't really heat
Speaker 1: up in this game and probably has a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do in terms of learning the offense and
Speaker 1: getting comfortable at this level. Jimmy Garoppolo suffered a calf
Speaker 1: injury and he was pretty despondent after the game. He
Speaker 1: said he anticipates being out a couple of weeks. You
Speaker 1: got the Cardinals coming up here for the Niners, and
Speaker 1: it just seems like now patra if Lance can put
Speaker 1: together any type of you momentum over than the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, this will be the torch being passed.
Speaker 1: How confident are you that he'll be able to build
Speaker 1: off this game because there were some moments scattered in
Speaker 1: this game of positive nature for him. Yeah, when he
Speaker 1: saw the throw and he unleash it, he's got a
Speaker 1: cannon and he had one seventy nine yard touched on
Speaker 1: a busted play. Um, it's just he felt a little
Speaker 1: hesitant to me, like to pull the trigger, Like coming
Speaker 1: in at halftime, he just doesn't seem ready, like he
Speaker 1: was thrust into a situation that he wasn't ready for.
Speaker 1: The game plan didn't really fit his skill set. It
Speaker 1: kind of was like, oh, these are the four QB
Speaker 1: run plays that we have in the playbook for today,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna run him. But it didn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a Shanahan with the mobile RG three quarterback that we saw.
Speaker 1: I mean, Shannon said after the game, he looked like
Speaker 1: a quarterback in his first you know, opportunity. But I'm
Speaker 1: having RG three flashbacks his first opportunity and go like
Speaker 1: destroying the Cowboys. And but that was with a way
Speaker 1: to prepare. And Shanahan did point out that they look
Speaker 1: they this was the game plan for Jimmy g it
Speaker 1: was it was Trey Lance behind center the whole time,
Speaker 1: and they were not really running the type of offense
Speaker 1: you would expect for Lance. It's a strange game because
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, looking at the possessions in everything
Speaker 1: Seattle at seven three and ounce, they only had two
Speaker 1: d and thirty four yards in this game. Like explained
Speaker 1: that one for me. They got out game by like
Speaker 1: two hundred yards. Yeah, when you have seven five three
Speaker 1: ounce to start the game, of course your your They
Speaker 1: only really had two good possessions, um, because they're One
Speaker 1: of their touchdowns came after San Francisco imploding on special
Speaker 1: teams and fumbling a kickoff on Wilson made a Houdini
Speaker 1: type play to get out of a almost sure sack
Speaker 1: and threw a touchdown and that kind of that put
Speaker 1: them up two scores, and then they took the foot
Speaker 1: off the gas and the next drive after that they
Speaker 1: scored again, but it was thanks to a huge penalty.
Speaker 1: So like they really only had two good drives the
Speaker 1: whole game. The rest of it was like four yards
Speaker 1: and a cloud of dust. Russ couldn't really get it
Speaker 1: and going. He had a lot of passes behind receivers.
Speaker 1: Guys weren't making plays. The offensive line struggle to walk.
Speaker 1: For the most part, Alex Collins was probably the most
Speaker 1: impressive UH Seahawks offensive player in the game. Wow, And
Speaker 1: honestly that that's what I saw. He was running through
Speaker 1: guys and that touchdown that you called him the beginning,
Speaker 1: I don't think he was touched and he just like
Speaker 1: we bobbed and weaved his way to the end zone.
Speaker 1: He's a fun player to root for given what his history.
Speaker 1: But overall, I would say the whole game was kind
Speaker 1: of like this kind of trippy experience because neither team
Speaker 1: looked like they were reading up for a playoff, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, And I know that's you know,
Speaker 1: game script and the number of possessions and all that,
Speaker 1: and you said Wilson played a role in that as
Speaker 1: well in terms of their ineffectiveness. But I just wonder,
Speaker 1: in like ten years or fifteen years and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: has retired, we'll Seahawks fans look back and be like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's so many games when Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: through twenty three passes in the entire game, like don't.
Speaker 1: You don't you want to have an offense where you
Speaker 1: just I don't. I don't want to get back into
Speaker 1: the let's Russ Cook debate, but they're there. Their need
Speaker 1: to establish the run no matter what. It's just frustrating
Speaker 1: when you hear about an offense that really has not
Speaker 1: been in year the last couple of weeks. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think like you you can make these big sweeping
Speaker 1: generalizations after the first month. But one of my biggest
Speaker 1: takeaways just from the first month is that the Seahawks
Speaker 1: in the forty niners really do look like they've got
Speaker 1: some ground to make up. Obviously they do in the standings.
Speaker 1: Two games now they're behind Arizona and one to the Rams,
Speaker 1: But just in terms of the firepower and everything that
Speaker 1: we thought coming into the season, Arizona and in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles just look like better teams. In Seattle and San
Speaker 1: Francisco were teams that had Super Bowl aspirations coming into
Speaker 1: the season. They're gonna have to be a lot different Patrick.
Speaker 1: I think in the next couple of months. I've been
Speaker 1: very unimpressed with Shanahan's offense so far. We'll see, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think we're all excited to see what can happen
Speaker 1: with a new quarterback. But it's not necessarily going to
Speaker 1: be a magic elixer and they're gonna be humming, but
Speaker 1: maybe they will. That's the fun thing we get to
Speaker 1: watch and find out. All right, let's close it out,
Speaker 1: Patra with some Lions football. Oh yeah, I'd like this.
Speaker 1: How it's Lions football, not Bears football. Nap play fake,
Speaker 1: the handy cutting inside, the scotch tackle as he rumbles
Speaker 1: and he's in till the ends. One of the touchdown,
Speaker 1: that's all David Montgomery. That is second effort nine yards
Speaker 1: far side of the end zone, touchdown Bears Jeff Johnny
Speaker 1: at w BBM. David Montgomery ran for one oh six
Speaker 1: and two scores before leaving with a knee injury, and
Speaker 1: the Bears followed their nightmare Week three with scores on
Speaker 1: their first two possessions win over the Lions. Patcher. You
Speaker 1: were and that's it was the work of Ricky in
Speaker 1: the edit to clean up your language. But I know
Speaker 1: because I followed these things on social media that the
Speaker 1: listeners they liked the passion that you brought to that
Speaker 1: Brown the Bears conversation last week, and how hideous they
Speaker 1: were um as an operation against the Rounds. Did you
Speaker 1: see gains for this offense? Did you see gains for
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and Matt Naggie and the whole experience as
Speaker 1: a whole. Well, playing the worst defense in the NFL
Speaker 1: shut certainly helps right run over a dead horse. It's easy.
Speaker 1: There shouldn't be one starter on the Lions that plays
Speaker 1: for another team. So I think that this was a
Speaker 1: perfect situation. And when we looked at the schedule, when
Speaker 1: when Naggi started kept saying, I want Dalton the start,
Speaker 1: I want Dalton the start. Once start, you looked at
Speaker 1: the schedule, like, okay, Week four should be Fields, They'll
Speaker 1: get through the Browns. Dolt will probably get destroyed and
Speaker 1: then who has an excuse to go to Fields? Right?
Speaker 1: So this it was would have been the perfect opening
Speaker 1: script for Justin Fields. My issue with Naggie was last
Speaker 1: week he didn't adjust when that plan went awry, He
Speaker 1: didn't change anything. This week we saw more motions. Uh,
Speaker 1: Fields got out of the pocket. He had all day
Speaker 1: for some throws to make, and it was beautiful. He
Speaker 1: made some gorgeous throws, deep throws. Finally, this offense um
Speaker 1: stretched the field. He had nine nine of ten passes,
Speaker 1: included nine of ten passes over ten yards. Dalton had
Speaker 1: two for his first game and a half. Like so,
Speaker 1: this was just a completely different offense we saw with
Speaker 1: fields actually running vertical threat and Daniel uh Darnell Mooney,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Was it awesome to see that aspect of
Speaker 1: the game come into because that's where he thrives going downfield,
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna see more. We should see
Speaker 1: more from this, especially against the worst pass rush defenses
Speaker 1: when he's got time to throw. Well, that's a rough
Speaker 1: statement saying that no one on their defense should start
Speaker 1: for any other teams. And then I went through the
Speaker 1: list and Romeo Acquire of course would, but he was
Speaker 1: lost to it. Sounds like in a season ending achilles
Speaker 1: injury in this game. And then I went through the
Speaker 1: other ten and you could make the argument, Patra, you
Speaker 1: really could, which is which is absolutely crazy. I found
Speaker 1: it funny that you know it was. It was a
Speaker 1: better day, a more sensible day for the Bears offense.
Speaker 1: And then after the game there's still so much negativity.
Speaker 1: Montgomery gets hurt for Bears, and then Naggi has to
Speaker 1: answer these questions about Bill laser now calling the plays,
Speaker 1: and you could tell he was getting upset about it.
Speaker 1: Who's getting the credit and he was like, well, it
Speaker 1: still goes through me. And then he also said, well,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna answer any questions about who's calling
Speaker 1: the plays anywhere. That's that's not why you want on.
Speaker 1: That is tough. That's his own fault for playing this
Speaker 1: whole game where I'm not gonna tell you scheme, scheme, scheme.
Speaker 1: It's his own fault. He's buried himself multiple times. He
Speaker 1: had a chance all week to say, starting fields, we
Speaker 1: have confidence in this kit, and he didn't take it.
Speaker 1: And he didn't take it. He's just made every wrong
Speaker 1: decision there is. This game doesn't change that they looked
Speaker 1: good against a bad team that kept shooting themselves in
Speaker 1: the foot the whole day. If we want to flip
Speaker 1: to the Lions and how you can get inside the
Speaker 1: ten yard line in your first three drives and scores
Speaker 1: zero points because you're that type of team. Um, Jared
Speaker 1: Goff has two fumbles and then he throws at thirty
Speaker 1: five miles in the air over a guy's head on
Speaker 1: fourth down. And that's the kind of game it was.
Speaker 1: I just think what my main takeaway is justin fields
Speaker 1: showed what kind of player he came and be with
Speaker 1: his arm, with his looseness. He only got hit three times,
Speaker 1: sacked once. So this was the type of game that
Speaker 1: you you wanted to see, not the last week game
Speaker 1: your statuesque in the pocket. Uh. You know. I in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I see Matt Naggy is this
Speaker 1: season's version Adam Gaze, And it reminds me of late
Speaker 1: last season when Gaze was talking about whether he had
Speaker 1: the play calling for the Jets over Loggins and then
Speaker 1: it was said that no, I I didn't. I'm not
Speaker 1: calling the plays, and like, well, we watched you on
Speaker 1: the sideline and the cameras on you and you were
Speaker 1: calling the plays and Loggins wasn't doing anything. He's like, uh, hamona,
Speaker 1: hammana hamana. It's that that's where the Bears are as
Speaker 1: as a team right now, just waiting to move on
Speaker 1: to the next coach. It feels like sometimes yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's and it's bad because I just don't think that's
Speaker 1: the right thing for this quarterback. I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: giving giving two Bears fans. I know it's a lot
Speaker 1: of negative two, two and two. It's true you have
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. You finally have a freaking good quarterback
Speaker 1: if the coach can just figure out how to use
Speaker 1: them properly the rest of the way. Again, it's good defense, alright, kay, Pat,
Speaker 1: thank you buddy. No bleeps needed, all fire, no expletives.
Speaker 1: You're being nice to Ricky. She was being nice to you,
Speaker 1: trying to lock up your lions, and just like I
Speaker 1: love all the love in the air, rick I did
Speaker 1: it for you. I really next time asking me, what, Ricky,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Jared goff outside, Yeah, No, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a mental game because Greg doesn't want me
Speaker 1: to play and I'm still gonna beat them. You wait,
Speaker 1: I'm what do they call it when you you know
Speaker 1: and ted lasso or he's like, you never asked me
Speaker 1: if I played Dark. You never asked me if I
Speaker 1: play locks? So you just wait, Oh wow, are you
Speaker 1: talking trash with me? And three, if you're I think
Speaker 1: you're five and fifteen last year or something like a
Speaker 1: coin flip. I think it's getting to the point where
Speaker 1: we've seen enough Erica to know that you're really bad
Speaker 1: at this. I try to pick with the smallest. Um,
Speaker 1: don't know that there's no victories in that. Just try
Speaker 1: to get it right, stay within as long as you
Speaker 1: stay within seven points of a favorite. Start being a
Speaker 1: little more conservative because this isn't working. Taking the Lions
Speaker 1: on the road. It's just not no way the popular
Speaker 1: pick this week. But it didn't didn't. Well, let's show
Speaker 1: you what the popular opinion lead you sometimes. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you Patra, thank you Ricky Um for everything today.
Speaker 1: All right there it is the week that was, Greg,
Speaker 1: what a week This week that is upon us? Now
Speaker 1: is our trip to London, England. Around the NFL Podcast
Speaker 1: returns to the UK for the third time. It will
Speaker 1: be me, it will be you, It'll be Ricky Hollywood
Speaker 1: on for sationally Mark Sessler. The decision was made and
Speaker 1: everyone was on the same pay and including Mark to
Speaker 1: kind of stay home and continue to recuperate. So he's
Speaker 1: ready to rejoin us on the other side. So that's
Speaker 1: a bummer, but also the right move, right Greg, it
Speaker 1: is the right move. No, I'm just thinking about thinking
Speaker 1: about Mark, and I'm thinking about like he's gonna get
Speaker 1: in fighting shape, the best shape of his life, and
Speaker 1: we're going to close his season strong. With him, and
Speaker 1: we'll miss him of course over in the UK. But
Speaker 1: we'll have fun. We'll have fun and yes, we hit.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing all the fun stuff. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be at the Jets Falcons game, We're gonna be at
Speaker 1: Sky Sports. We're gonna have not one but two live shows.
Speaker 1: One's already sold out and there's one more late show
Speaker 1: that's still for sale. If if you want to get
Speaker 1: tickets before those disappear, the Top Secret Comedy Club dot
Speaker 1: c O dot UK you'll find us the nine thirties show.
Speaker 1: Go get tickets and meet us, uh heroes, fans, interacting, interfacing, Greg,
Speaker 1: that's what we look to do. Interface, some some Q
Speaker 1: and A. I'm I'm great with the interfacing. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Um all right, Ricky, okay everything, okay, Yeah, I'm good
Speaker 1: with the Patriots and everything. You're okay? Yeah, thanks? Thanks
Speaker 1: checking in. What about that other guy, what's the guy
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, the haughty what was
Speaker 1: his name? Chuck's Nick Chuck, not Nick Chuck, the guy
Speaker 1: from the NBC, the fan, the fake Schwartzy. I wonder
Speaker 1: how he's doing right now. And Schwartzy from Ashlyn said,
Speaker 1: I'll shore for him when he comes out. But after that,
Speaker 1: I want some sacks. I want to see our freaking
Speaker 1: linebackers just pumble him and punish him. Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: I want to go home. Can we go? Yeah, let's go,
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. Dan Hands is signing off for
Speaker 1: the old Boss, Ricky Holly the Pipe, Patrick coming at
Speaker 1: yet We're onto England. Pete the Oh