WEBVTT - How Immigration Works 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.920 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.400 from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.080 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. So you did a cross 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.439 from me. As Always as it should be is Charles W. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.120 Chuck Bryant, and that makes this stuff you should know. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.840 The podcast the Dream of the Legend. Yeah, the classic podcast, 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.480 classic audio. Yeah, look at us. Yeah, we're We're called 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.720 pioneers before on I Tunes. Do you remember that? Then 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.320 year one we're like the Milton Borough of podcast and 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.080 now we're already classics. I wonner. Next year will be 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.360 on the way out if you just die already, husbands, 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.520 I think that's what it will be. Come well, you're 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.400 referring to we were We were named the number seven 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.720 podcast of the year in the classics category. We were 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.360 ahead of or behind our class well as always. Yeah, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.640 you know, I've said it before and I'll say it again. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.480 I don't feel comfortable being ahead of Ira Glass, you know, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.679 I just feel like I'm walking around the big target 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:11.520 on my back or something. No. No one does stands alone. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.640 So Chuck, yes, I wish you probably mentioned, um while 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.640 we're at the top of the podcast. Facebook stuff you 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.000 should know. And on Facebook, come join us. It's a 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.920 lot of fun. Yeah, give yourself a little Christmas treat. Yeah, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.360 and uh on Twitter, follow Josh's Twitter feed s y 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.080 s K podcast. But you you run the show there 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.119 for the most part. You do a good job. I'm 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:38.200 filling in the blanks buddy rarely, but thank you, Chuck. Josh. Hey, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.680 have you ever heard of the Dream Act? I have 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.679 as as of uh, I mean not as of today, 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:49.080 but today big news. Yes, the Development Relief and Education 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.400 for Alien Miners Act, which is basically like s CHIP 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.520 for illegal immigrant kids, but without the healthcare right right, Yeah, yeah, Um. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.320 It was passed in the House to day by a 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.280 vote of to sixteen. And uh, that's kind of a 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.240 big deal. It moves on to the Senate. Well, let's 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.160 getting a little hinky because the Senate may kill this thing. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.480 Oh yeah, well, I mean this is like breaking news, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.040 so who knows what's gonna happen in the next hour 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.119 after we record. But that's the word on the street. Wow. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.280 But basically, this, uh, this Act provides a path to 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.240 citizenship for kids who were brought to the United States 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.040 as illegal immigrants and have grown up here. Well yeah, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.880 and who uh qualify in certain ways, like they've been 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.840 here five years, they've attained obtained a high school diploma 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.240 or a g e d. And demonstrate a good moral character, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.400 so they're not just willy nilly handed out citizenship. And 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.080 if you're a little kid right now and you were 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.080 brought to the US illegally as a child, go start 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.720 volunteering at nursing homes. That can only help your kids, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.400 and the nursing home people will enjoy it as well. Well. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.560 This one guy they mentioned in here quickly, Caesar Vargas, 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.120 is of course they pick out like the one shining 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.799 star as their example. But he's going to graduate law 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.560 school with a three point eight g p A and 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.160 wants to serve in the U. S Military, And potentially 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.040 this is blocked. He won't be allowed to do so, no, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.959 which is you know, it's kind of sad. We need 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:18.720 willing and able bodies, smart guys and gals, hard workers, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.480 we do need. I mean, actually, most of our immigration laws, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.639 as I understand from researching this article, um are kind 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.280 of structured around the economy. Yeah, you know, like our 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.680 are the order of preference for the types of immigrants 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.440 that we give pieces to are are kind of like, 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.080 how's your back right, right? You know exactly and strong 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.960 come on it. Yeah, well they did say that the 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.960 Dream Act um the Congressional Budget Office said it would 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.760 actually cut the federal deficit by one point four billion 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.320 dollars how and increase revenues. I would guess by adding 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.960 people taxes and people to the workforce, uh, will increase revenues. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:03:59.720 That's what they say, at least over a decade. And 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.760 that with offering them tuition in state tuition to college. Right, Yeah, yeah, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.840 that's pretty big. Okay, Chuck, let's talk immigration, shall we. Yeah? 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.480 This is way more dense than I thought it was 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.640 gonna be, really did. I knew it was going to 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.240 be sort of complicated, because becoming a citizen is is 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:16.840 sort of complicated, but I didn't know there were so 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.839 many ways to do. We should say spoiler alert here, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.920 naturalization isn't even in this podcast. And it's that dense. Yeah, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.520 I wondered about that. There's no citizenship classes, there's no nothing. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.839 The word green card doesn't appear in here, either, just immigration. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.440 That is correct, My friend remember Happiness. One of the 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.760 characters was an immigration naturalization teacher. That's your favorite movie. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.320 We'll Chuck, let's start at the beginning. Okay, back in 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.320 the seventeen seventies. Uh, there's a guy named Samuel Ellis 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.640 and he on the little island in New York Harbor. Yeah, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.040 it was very important in eighteen twelve, it was an 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.880 important defensive position. After the British left. We said, you 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.360 know what, let's just use this to immigrant people. Let's 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.239 just funnel him through here, build up a nice little 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:14.960 building and change everybody's names. And that was Ellis Island. Yep, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.520 and uh. From eight to nineteen fifty four, dude, twelve 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:25.159 million immigrants pass through that tiny little island, and of 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.440 our population in this country can be traced back to 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:32.720 an immigrant from Ellis Island. And I think, without slanting 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.560 anything or um leaning one way or the other, I 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.960 think it behooves all of us while we're listening to 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.160 this podcast, to kind of bear that in mind, that 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.279 maybe your relatives were immigrants at one point. Yeah, so, Chuck, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.719 let's talk immigration. How do you do this. Let's talk 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.080 legal immigration first. Yeah, Well, we should point out beforehand 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.760 that when he said that we should remember bear in 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.720 mind that a lot of our ancestors were immigrants. There 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.920 are nativists that believe that, like, you shouldn't let any 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.360 people into the country anymore, right, And those aren't to 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.400 be confused with Native Americans, who are actually the ones 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.160 who were here originally. Big difference. These are people who 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.440 are descended from immigrants who are saying that we shouldn't 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.080 let anybody in the country. But I would encourage any 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.680 nativist to attend a naturalization ceremony, That's all I'm gonna say. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.480 I've been to one. Yeah. I worked on a little 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:28.760 documentary on Jane Seymour's naturalization. What Dr Quinn medicine woman. Oh, 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.680 she was naturalized? Yeah, I thought she made a documentary 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.480 called naturalization. No no no, no, she was naturalized and they 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.359 hired a camera crew to follow her around. And I 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.719 worked on that and I went to ceremony in Los 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.240 Angeles and it was you know, it's easy to get 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.400 down in this country when you hear about those things 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:48.120 citizens with LSD and other hinky science experiment human experimentation 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.159 and stuff. But you go to one of these things 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.320 and it's a genuine reminder and I don't get hokey 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:57.000 like this much. But I was misty eyed for sure. Yeah. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.800 I mean an auditorium full of people at the Congress 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.600 uh Congress Center, what's it called an l A Staples 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.599 Center st the Hollywood Bowl, the Hollywood Bowl, Jerry Sucker's house. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.560 But all these kids and and uh and adults just 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.680 uh you could just see it on their faces. They 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.960 were so happy to be citizens of the US and took, 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.520 you know, said the allegiance and it was really really cool. Yeah, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.920 you're like, those people know more about civics than the 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.400 average person who was born here right now, darn straight. Alright, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.000 so let's go ahead, Jay Seymour class act, Chuck. And 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.600 before we move on, one of Dave Lederman's top ten 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.960 signs you're in a bad fraternity Every Saturday night is 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.679 Dr Quinn Medicine woman Night. Is that for really? That's good? 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.400 So Chuck Um, you're done. You're ready to actually talk 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.120 about legal immigrants. That's my mini rant against people that 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.280 say close up shop. I like your rants. They're very 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:52.520 non offensive, thank you. Um. There are a few agencies 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.680 that are charged with um immigration, and let's make the distinction. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.000 Chuck Um. You've heard of immigration and m imigration with 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.880 an irony. So immigration with an eye means that you 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.160 are going into a country. Immigrating means that you are 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.080 leaving a country or exiting with an e. That's how 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.160 I would remember. That's a good one. Um, I remember 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.080 it like I am nauseous to you, chuck, because I 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:23.080 make you feel nauseated. That's how I keep immigrant and immigrant. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.600 That's an interesting denemonic device like that. Yeah, So it 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.400 used to be I N. S. Who is in charge 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.880 of immigration and uh, these days it's Department of Homeland Security. Right, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.000 pretty much ever since two thousand one in the Department 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.960 of Homeland Security was organized after that, Um, I N 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.640 S is, No, it's pretty much taken a back seat, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.800 if they're even still around. And under the Homeland Security 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.719 is the obviously the Border protection US CUP, Customs and 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.679 Border Protection and the US Citizenship and Immigration Service. They 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.360 handle a lot of the paperwork, right, Customs and Border 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.839 Protection handles like the law enforcement aspect of it. Yeah, right, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.319 that Congress passes the laws, right, and Congress is up 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.160 to there in charge of all immigration policy. The president 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.880 can have an agenda that he tries to push through Congress, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:09.840 but it's up to Congress. The one thing the president 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.840 does have a direct hand in is creating refugee policy. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.080 And we'll talk a little bit about refugees. But I 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.720 propose right here and now that we do a podcast 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.520 on refugees at some point in time. Yeah, we'll handle 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.800 immigration and we'll do refugees later. Agreed, it's a layoff 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:31.000 ue um, chuck. Yes, there are plenty of different aliens. Yeah, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.800 there's the illegal alien if you've heard of. There's the 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.079 legal alien, the most famous one being sting in englishmen 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.440 in New York. Um. And there's a lot of other 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.959 words that get bandied about. I get the impression that 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.800 alien is not quite um acceptable as it once was. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.319 It's more it's just immigrant now. But it's not an 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.000 offensive word. It's actually still a very um. It's a 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.120 it's a legitimate word to use. Yeah, you have a 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.520 resident alien who was you're not assistant or national, but 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.400 you have the right to live and work here, so 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.400 um or a nonresident alien is like if you have 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.679 a travel visa you're here for you know, you're an Australian. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.400 You're allowed to live here for a little while. You're 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:16.360 an Australian let's face it. Um naturalized, not to be 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.760 confused with spiritualized, but naturalized means that you are a citizen. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.520 But you you became a citizen after birth. You weren't 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.959 a born citizenymour right class act. Yes, she's married to, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:33.719 by the way, Stacy Keach's brother, Todd Keach. Or was 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.319 it Stacy No, Stacy Keach's brother Todd. No, it's not Todd. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.680 I can't remember. But that's her husband. He's a filmmaker 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.679 and he made the film about her becoming a citizen. 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.160 That's awesome. Yeah, well I started bring that up. So 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.120 basically they rode off about six months of their life. Yeah, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.880 and he was he acted for a short time. He 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.679 was in vacation. Remember when the officer pulls him over 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.880 for killing the dog, dragging the dog. He that's him, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:11:00.319 that's ke James Keach. Really yeah, okay, full circle. Yeah, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.080 that's good stuff. Check all right. Um, there is the uh, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.800 the end all be all of before being naturalized, the 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.200 lawful permanent resident, which is basically like kick back, relax, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.840 get a job, have a drink, do whatever you want. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.480 Just just start just apply something here there. But you're 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.640 allowed to live here for the rest of your life. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.199 You're not necessarily a citizen. Don't try and vote, don't 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.640 you dare try and serve on a jury? Right, right? 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.320 But you know pretty much everything else is fine. Right, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.720 So how do people get here? Well, you have to 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.720 apply for a visa. That's the first step in all 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.920 of these processes, is the old visa. Yeah, And and 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.360 it depends on where you are right where you go 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.439 apply uh yeah, or or where's what your status is? Right? Well, sure, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.080 if you well, if you are in a country, let's 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.800 say you're Swedish and you're like, I am so sick 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.640 of this minimalist furniture crap. I want to get to 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.160 the US and then no crime and in the gorgeous 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.800 sceneries and the women that are blond and tall, Right, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.360 I want to leave all that? Right? Okay? Um, and 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.280 moved to Detroit. Yes, you want to move to Detroit. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.240 What you would do is you would go to the U. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.880 S Consulate in Stockholm or wherever you find the closest 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.560 one to you in your country of origin and say 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.440 I want to move to Detroit, And after a few 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:28.360 minutes of them like thinking you're joking, finally convinced them 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.000 you're you're telling the truth. They're going to start the 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.400 process of applying for a visa, right, yeah, and this 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.320 has to become a permanent resident. This isn't like a 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.120 work visa or student visa. Those are all temporary, right. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.080 This is if you want to stay here forever in Detroit. Uh. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.280 And you but but this visa is not. This is 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.640 a This is basically your ticket to get from your 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.040 country to a port. Yeah. Not even in the United States. No, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.360 which is confusing to me. And you're setting yourself up 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.719 for an almost immediate um let down because the consular 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.480 officer who's going to eventually interview you after you fill 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.320 out your application can say sorry, we we don't want 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.040 your type in Detroit. Yeah, or they could interview and 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.760 say great, and then you could have another awkward encounter 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.520 when you get to the port of entry because they 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.120 don't have to let you in either. No, the the 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.120 the the port authority agent can be like, no, no, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.240 I don't really like the looks of you. I don't 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.160 like your mustache. I don't like that cable n sweater. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.560 Go back to sweeten. I hate Ikia yeah is that Swedish? Okay? 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.640 I always I think it's Swiss for some reason. Everything 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:36.480 over there that's over here Swedish. Okay, So, uh, let's 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.800 say you do get here to the port of entry. 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.680 They will ask you a few questions when you get 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.520 to that port of entry, like where you're from, what 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.560 do you want to do here? Is anyone sponsoring you? 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.640 Do you have family here? Or that kind of thing? Right? 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.480 And um, there are different kinds of visas. I get 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.480 the impression that there's the like, wink wink, nudge, nudge, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.520 let the Swede in, he wants to go to Detroit, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.679 no criminal background, just let him in type of visa 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.600 down to the um, we're not entirely certain that this 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.080 guy is not a criminal visa so like really scrutinized him. Right. Yeah. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.120 They give out four hundred and eighty thousand permanent resident 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.319 visas every year. That's for family. Yeah, yeah, if you 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.600 want to join a family member that's in the country. Right, sorry, Right, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.640 So you maybe you get married to an American Joe 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.160 or something like that during the war, sure, um, or 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.120 you're you have dual citizenship. You're because you're you were 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:37.160 born somewhere with two different parents, for parents from two 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.600 different countries. So you have dual citizenship. You chose the 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.480 other country. Now you want to move to the US 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.480 and your parent lives here, that's probably pretty easy, especially 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.560 again with the economics if you're twenty one and unmarried, 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.840 because you're going to come over here, probably make babies 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.240 with an American girl, so you're gonna take care of her, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.080 and you are going to get a good job, so 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.640 you're going to spend money raising your or kid here, 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.280 and you are going to do nothing but be an 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.440 economic driver rather than a drain. Yes, we'll put so 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.440 if you let's say you do have a family member here, Uh, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.200 you need to prove your relationship. UM. I would guess 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.920 beyond just saying I promise you it's my father, and uh, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.880 you need like you have to have an affida affidavit 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:24.360 of support UM that says that you can support this 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.000 person at a hundred and above the poverty line, which 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.560 is like nineteen grand. It's not much, basically saying you're 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.640 you're not going to be a drain on the system. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.320 You'll barely eat by if nothing else, but as long 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:38.920 as you can eat by, as long as you can 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.840 eat buy, then it's got to get approved by the 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.760 U s C I S. Yes. Again, the the kind 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.960 of the bureaucratic arm of immigration right right, then the 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.680 Department of State checks to see if a visa number 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.400 is available, Uh, if you might already be in the US, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.320 so you can apply to have your status change to 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.240 that that awesome lawful permanent resident. It after you get 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.880 a number, or if you're outside and you get a number, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.880 you go to the US to where they tell you 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.480 to go. You go to the consulate and and finish 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.440 the process there in Detroit, right and and no in 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.080 in your country still or outside. So basically the whole 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.160 key to immigration is is down the middle. Whether you're 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.160 doing this outside the country or inside the country, there's 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.800 basically two different sets of you know, it's like a 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.600 choose your own adventure book. Right. If you're inside the US, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.480 you know, turn to page thirty two and then you know, 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.400 apply for lawful permanent resident status. If you're if you're 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.560 still in Sweden, go to page twelve and go to 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.000 the consulate. It really does get a little convoluted. I 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.920 don't I don't think they make it hard on purpose, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.960 but I think you just hit we should totally see 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.280 o A. This is in no way legal advice to 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:57.000 anybody who is listening to US in Australia or Sweden especially. Um, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.560 we're just using you as an example. If you actually 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.480 do to immigrate to the US, we hope this inspires 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.440 you to do it lawfully and to go contract and 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.639 immigration attorney, or at least do a lot of heavy 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.840 lifting research on you know, um, Department of State, the 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.639 Department of Homeland, securities websites or the very least by 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.200 Immigration for dummies, or I just don't guarantee is out there. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.240 Just do something in addition to listening to this show, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.400 That's what I say. Or if you do, just listen 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.920 to this show and you you become a lawful citizen 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.160 from it. We want an email from you about that. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:39.560 Yeah in frienness on Facebook. Yeah that's so cheap. Uh 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.919 So where are we here? The family sponsorship? Should we 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.800 go through that? The preference? Yeah, we talked about the preferences, right, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.159 so let's let's spell them out. Um, provided your at 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:53.280 least twenty one parents, spouses and unmarried children of US citizens, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.880 you don't have to wait, like if they are citizens, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.680 you don't have to wait for that visa number. No, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.479 you can if you're if you're visas approved or if 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.400 your petition for alien relative is approved. Um, you can 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.680 just come on over and become a lawful permanent resident, right, Yeah, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.480 and that's if they're a citizen. If you're relative is 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.160 a citizen. Right. If one of your relatives has made 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.920 it over and has become a lawful permanent resident, Uh, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.680 then you can start to come over to But there's 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.439 there's different preferences for that. It's a spouse or an 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.359 unmarried soner daughter again probably of twenty one, of twenty 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.800 one years of age or older. Yeah, that's first preference 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:36.240 and not too old, right. The second preferences spouses of 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.320 lawful permanent residents. Uh, they're under one under twenty one, 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:46.200 unmarried children and unmarried children of lawful permanent residences I'm sorry, residents, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.919 third preference married children of citizens, and fourth preference siblings 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:56.920 of adult citizens. Wow, yeah, siblings of adult citizens. It's like, yes, 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.840 you go vis left over, you really need your brother 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.480 were here? I mean really, Yeah, you're thirty and you 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.760 gotta have your brother over here, right or you're seventy 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.080 you know, so yeah, it gets a little convoluted for sure. Um, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.639 chuckers there have been. There are other ways to do this. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.119 If you were the first of your family and you 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:21.320 are starting on the path to citizenship, right, Um, there's 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:22.960 some other ways to get in the country to get 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.760 the ball rolling. Number one. One of the best ways 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.200 to do this is through a the Diversity Lottery program. 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.399 That means that you are living in a country where 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.720 immigration to the US is really not that bulky. Not 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:40.520 a lot of people are not not a lot of 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.080 Swedes coming over to the US. Necessarily they probably get 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.440 shot at it um. And so the State Department sets 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:52.399 aside fifty five thousand visas visa numbers every year, and 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.640 actually a hundred and ten thousand is what they really 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.160 set aside because a lot of people don't complete the process. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.320 But they basically say, hey, you want to come to 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.360 the US. Not too many people are coming over from 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.240 your country. We we are the great melting pot over here. 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.919 We're missing a little bit of your spice. So how 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.080 about applying huh and um. The Kentucky Consular Bureau is 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.080 responsible for this. And in two thousand eleven, Chuck, did 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:20.119 you know that nine New Caledonians and one Lichtenstinian among 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:25.880 the where among the who came over. Wow, and one 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:30.399 person from the French Arctic lands. I don't even know 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.120 that is uh. And if you're if you're lucky enough 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.080 to hit this lottery, Josh, you can live here and 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.760 work here forever and bring your family. You can bring 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.800 your family. You can bring your unmarried children. They're under 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.120 twenty one, they're one, then they're on their own. Right, 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.479 you become a lawful permanent resident who who can become 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.080 a citizen under that. But it's like a huge not 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.280 just like uh, it's like the express lane. Yeah, you're 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.720 in there. Another way to do it is through employment, right, 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.359 didn't know about this one or the next one. No, 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.760 this is that. This is how we got the Nazis 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.600 over here to start our rocket program through Operation paper Clip. Okay, 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.159 immigration through employment, gotcha? Yeah. So yeah, that's when the 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.280 employer kind of sponsors you and they submit a labor 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.919 certification requests certification like that. I like that was the 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.560 other one you said to the residences and I'm all 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:30.960 over the place out of fated. Yeah, I'm all thick 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.080 tongue today. Um, an honor of you. So you submit 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.960 that to the Department of Labor. Uh. If it's granted. 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.240 Then the employer then files for a petition for alien 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.639 worker considered by the U S U S S C 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.080 I S again. Then if that's approved, then you can 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.960 get the immigrant a visa number from the State Department 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.199 and basically say go to work. But that's reading the 0:21:56.280 --> 0:22:01.600 little qualifications there, the like the types of workers, the preferences. Yeah, 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.360 so you've got um EB one which is priority workers, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.760 which is we need a rocket program to get to 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.159 the moon fast. Um e B two is professionals with 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.080 advanced degrees of persons with exceptional abilities. Basically, if you 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.480 live in Bangalore, India right now, that's you. You're coming 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.920 over here, no problems. Um EB three skilled or professional workers. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.800 I think a lot of people, a lot of yes, 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.280 a lot of roofers UM made their way into Florida. 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.160 I imagine through that without immigration status. And there's EB 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:38.600 four special immigrants. I have no idea. I can't even 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:40.760