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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. So you did a cross

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Speaker 1: from me. As Always as it should be is Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and that makes this stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: The podcast the Dream of the Legend. Yeah, the classic podcast,

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Speaker 1: classic audio. Yeah, look at us. Yeah, we're We're called

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Speaker 1: pioneers before on I Tunes. Do you remember that? Then

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Speaker 1: referring to we were We were named the number seven

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Speaker 1: So Chuck, yes, I wish you probably mentioned, um while

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Speaker 1: we're at the top of the podcast. Facebook stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know. And on Facebook, come join us. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, give yourself a little Christmas treat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh on Twitter, follow Josh's Twitter feed s y

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Speaker 1: s K podcast. But you you run the show there

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Speaker 1: filling in the blanks buddy rarely, but thank you, Chuck. Josh. Hey,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard of the Dream Act? I have

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Speaker 1: as as of uh, I mean not as of today,

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Speaker 1: but today big news. Yes, the Development Relief and Education

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Speaker 1: It was passed in the House to day by a

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Speaker 1: getting a little hinky because the Senate may kill this thing.

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Speaker 1: after we record. But that's the word on the street. Wow.

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Speaker 1: But basically, this, uh, this Act provides a path to

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Speaker 1: and who uh qualify in certain ways, like they've been

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Speaker 1: so they're not just willy nilly handed out citizenship. And

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Speaker 1: volunteering at nursing homes. That can only help your kids,

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Speaker 1: and the nursing home people will enjoy it as well. Well.

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Speaker 1: This one guy they mentioned in here quickly, Caesar Vargas,

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Speaker 1: business that's not doing so hot. Uh. You can also Yeah,

423
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: if you purchase the business. You can't just purchase that.

424
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: You have to show that you can inflate its revenues

425
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: by and keep everybody on staff, right, or the golden

426
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: ticket if you just have a lot of money, if

427
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: you have half a million dollars, you can say I'm

428
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna invest that in a rural area, or if you

429
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: have a million dollars, you can just invest in some

430
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: other venture anything. And and the best part is if

431
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: you invest that million dollars correctly, not only do you

432
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: buy your visa, you might make a substantial amount of

433
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: money back on your investment. So that Yeah, if you've

434
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: got a lot of dough, then you can become an

435
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: American citizen. Sack, come on in, spend your money, right, Yeah,

436
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: And I have to say, I know you don't print

437
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: out the pictures. You're missing out on this one. There

438
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: are some cool maps that are like inflated and and

439
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: exaggerated and anemic and colorful based on based on immigration

440
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: to countries. Interesting. And then there's also one where refugees are.

441
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: It's really neat. I recommend going and checking this. South

442
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: and Central America are skinny. America islated is cool? Yeah,

443
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: so so is the Middle East? Very very big? How

444
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: is it? Huh uh? So let's talk about asylum. This

445
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: is it's pretty convoluted as well. Actually, yeah, if you

446
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: remember one thing from this podcast, A person seeking asylum

447
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: is called in Assili. That's it. Can we just stop there?

448
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: You know what asylum is, Josh, it's obviously it's when

449
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: you're protected, um from if you're fleeing persecution from your country.

450
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: You can come here and say I need asylum because

451
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I live in Sudan. Well, do you remember in the

452
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: Rules of War podcasts we were talking about World War

453
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: two changed everything basically brought the whole world together, uh,

454
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: to say we need to come up with some like

455
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: rules not just for war, but for the Universal Declaration

456
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: of Human Rights that was passed through ratified UM. Countries

457
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: of the world said as a human being, uh, people

458
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: have the right to seek and enjoy in other countries

459
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: asylum for persecution. It is basically like it's some horrible

460
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: stuffs going on over here. You have to take these

461
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: people if they come to your country. That that's a

462
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: basic human right to be free from that. Because there's

463
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: other parts of the world. Yeah, yeah, or at the

464
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: very least in the case of the United States, you

465
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: you can go to another country that we have a

466
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: deal with an asylum deal, like hey, you might like Canada, right,

467
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: Not only that, if they yeah, if they come to

468
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: the U S and they're like, we I'm seeking asylum.

469
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: We can be like, you're approved for Canada and we

470
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: can just take you there, like we'll give you a

471
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: bus ticket even But yeah, it's it's kind of funny

472
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: because we have asylum treaties with other countries. It's interesting. Yeah,

473
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: there are no quotas or limits on on this kind

474
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: of visa. You just have to demonstrate a well founded

475
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: fear for your life basically, yeah, of persecution in his

476
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: or her home country, right, and you make that case

477
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: um at a point of entry. So basically, if you're

478
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: seeking asylum, here's the difference between in ASSYLI and a

479
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: refugee again inside or outside of the country. So let's

480
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: say that you are fleeting fleeing Sudan and you've made

481
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: it to Egypt, right, You're like, I don't really want

482
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: to stay in Africa any longer. I really want to

483
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: seek I want to I want to seek asylum in

484
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: the US, but I'm doing it from Egypt. Your refugee,

485
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: if you leave Egypt and come to the Port of

486
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Savannah and say I want asylum, you're in Asia. It's

487
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: just where you're doing that. But it's the same thing

488
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: for the same reasons. You're being persecuting your home country

489
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and you're seeking comfort and freedom from persecution in another country.

490
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: Got it. You know you've heard of the is it

491
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: the Lost Boys of Sudan? The child Soldiers? Why am

492
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I thinking? Is that the Lost Boys of Sudan? Right?

493
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: It sounds right? Yeh. One of those guys works at

494
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: Twains Indicator. He's a former child soldier, I think so.

495
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: And he was just very happy to be bussing tables

496
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: at Twains. I'm sure. I mean everyone loved this guy.

497
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still there. There has been

498
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years since I've been there, but yeah,

499
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: it was really neat. I mean he was you know,

500
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: the news stories all over the place about these guys,

501
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: and he worked there and was one of the U

502
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: was the word I'm looking for. People loved him. He

503
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: wasn't a mascot, but he was. He was almost like

504
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: people would come to Twains and like everyone said high

505
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: to him and and he was. He's very nice guy.

506
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: Mascot's not the right word. Save it for the refugee podcast, um,

507
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: because we're talking about asylum here. Yes, So, Chuck, if

508
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: you're fleeing persecution. That's kind of specific. You can't be like,

509
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: no one in my home country likes me. Right, that's

510
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: not persecution, right, No, no, no, it's um persecution based

511
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: on race, politics, nationality, religion, membership in a social group.

512
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: So if like the US turned on the nights at Columbus,

513
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: they could go to like Europe and seek asylum. Or

514
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: if you're in a book club. Yeah, I'm not sure

515
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: what that means. Okay, Um, there are two types of asylum, Josh,

516
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: here's affirmative and defensive asylum. And from what I get,

517
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: affirmative is when you arrive here at a portive entry.

518
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: You within a year of being here, you submit your application,

519
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: it's filed, and you have an interview. They call it

520
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: non adversarial. It basically means doesn't take place in court. Right,

521
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna take place in a friendly office and everybody's

522
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: gonna be smiling and uh, they're not detained. You can

523
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: live here while your case is being considered. Um, but

524
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: you can't work, isn't that right? I believe that is right.

525
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: And actually, if you do this the right way, like

526
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: the US is set up, but we actually have an

527
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: Act from nine called the Refugee Act and if anybody

528
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: can ask for asylum no matter what your alien status is,

529
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: and we actually have mechanations, mechanization mechanisms will go with

530
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: that one in place, um to kind of hasten this process.

531
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: So if you do this correctly, you can have this

532
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: whole thing buttoned up in sixty days and be kicking

533
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: back in Detroit. Yeah. If it never goes to uh

534
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: before a judge and it just stays nice and affirmative

535
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: and non adversarial, yeah, then you're you're in like Flint

536
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: in no time. Right. So basically what you want to

537
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: do is within a year of landing in the US,

538
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: you want to go to a port and ask for asylum. Yeah.

539
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: I would do that on day two. Why not after

540
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I've gone out and like, I seen what nightlife? That's

541
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: the offer. And then there's defensive asylum, and that is

542
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: when you are you were in danger of being deported

543
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get asylum. Yes, so that's not

544
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: like you came here and you filed all the correct paperwork.

545
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: That means they're saying, now you need to go home,

546
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, I don't want to go right.

547
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: That means like, if you waited two years, yeah, and

548
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: you go, they're gonna be like, oh, well now you're

549
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: now you're in defensive asylum, dummy, Why don't you do

550
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: this a year ago? Right? Or if you weren't granted asylum,

551
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: you can still try and get in through defensive asylum,

552
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: right if you've gone through If you went through affirmative

553
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: asylum and we're denied that, your next step would be

554
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: going through defensive asylum, which is adversarial, meaning it's in

555
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: a court. Everybody's a little stern talking to you, a

556
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: little mean, there's lawyers and all that stuff. Um, and

557
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: we should say here, if you were caught without correct documentation,

558
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: if you um forfeited your alien status anything like that. Uh,

559
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't just apply to illegal immigrants. It applies to

560
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants who can again demonstrate a quote credible fear

561
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: of persecution or torture. This is asylum. It just applies

562
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: to those people. Yes, right, Yes, and then there's expedited

563
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: removal chuck. Yeah, that's if you're busted basically with no

564
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: documentation coming in coming in and you're just like, oh,

565
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I just thought you needed the plane ticket. Is that

566
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: not good enough? Here's my luggage receipt and actually this

567
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. The immigration officials, which I imagine includes

568
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: the customs UM agency, right, yeah, uh, which we did

569
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: a podcast something, didn't we um, They have to ask

570
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: four questions of anyone they catch, uh trying to make

571
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: it into the US illegally. Right. They have to ask, oh,

572
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: why did you leave your home country? Uh? Why or

573
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: do you have any fear concerned about being returned to

574
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: your home country? Uh? Would you be harmed if you

575
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: were returned to your home country? Do you have any questions?

576
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Anything else you'd like to add? It's actually in your

577
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Uh so it basically anybody who wants to seek asylum

578
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: can say I'm seeking asylum, and that's gonna start off

579
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: this process. You're not They're not gonna be like, no, yeah, anyone.

580
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: If you come here and you want asylum, you're at

581
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: least gonna be able to speak with someone about that.

582
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: You're not just gonna be turned away at the door.

583
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: But if you busted getting in, you're going straight to

584
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: defensive asylum. If you make it through and then go

585
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: to a port right and say I'm seeking asylum, they'll

586
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: that'll be affirmative asylum. People like I was, are probably like,

587
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: what so confusing? Yeah, just go to the port and

588
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: say asylum and that'll that'll kick start something interesting. That'll

589
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: start the process for sure. Uh So we're not gonna

590
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: talk too much about refugees, but um, the two thousand

591
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: nine World Refugee Survey puts that number at about thirteen

592
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: point six million worldwide refugees. And in uh last year, God,

593
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: that's up a lot. Because this article was written I

594
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: think in like two thousand seven and Silverman did you

595
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: notice Jacob Silverman made a Bruno reference. Um, he said

596
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: that in two thousand and five there were nine point

597
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: five million UM refugees at the beginning of that year.

598
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: We're up to thirteen million, that's what it said. Wow.

599
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: And uh, last year, the US admitted sixty thousand refugees

600
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: and the next closest was Canada at about eleven thousand,

601
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: and then the ASSES said about nine thousand. Wow, there's

602
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: refugees from Canada. No refugees. That Canada said once you

603
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: come on here to the Great right North, we'll let

604
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: you know. They admitted the refugee. And that's you know,

605
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: refugees are looking for at the very least temporary protected status.

606
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: And that's when you're like, all right, we'll take care

607
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: of you for now and then we'll work this whole

608
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: thing out in a minute. But you're safe. Is that

609
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: all on? Refugees? And listen? Do you do you want

610
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: to do a podcast? Dot? Yeah? Yeah, let's do one later.

611
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's let's move on to the the

612
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: sexiest business of all of this. Yeah, controversy illegal immigration. Yeah,

613
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, obviously how many there are. The

614
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: numbers are kind of all over, but the Department of

615
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Home Homeland Security said that, uh, there were ten point

616
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: eight million last year, which is down a full million

617
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: from O eight and that's the largest drop in thirty years. Yeah. Well,

618
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of a pretty big recession. Times are

619
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: tough here. I don't really think about that. That's exactly

620
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: why I would still think that it would be better

621
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: than being in Warez. Well, I'm glad you brought up

622
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: Warez because I had a question about that about se

623
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: you Dodd Warez. Do you like my Spanish? Yeah? But

624
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: I was talking about war is the place, But go ahead,

625
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about that too. Oh Is that

626
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the full name of it? Yeah, it means Warrez City.

627
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't talking about see you, Dodd Warez. I

628
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: was talking about Warez City. I don't know who that

629
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: dude is. But think about it, Like, I think more

630
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: than six thousand people have died in July. This past

631
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: July hit the six thousand mark. Not have died, we're killed, Okay,

632
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: we're killed in war Is alone since January two eight

633
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: because of the real deal drug war. Right, So, if

634
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: you're fleeing that across the US border, what's how is

635
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: how can you not seek asylum? Is it that you

636
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: could conceivably go south and deeper into your home country

637
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: and be relatively safe. Yeah, I don't know. I was

638
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: hoping you would. Yeah, I don't know if asylum is

639
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: just for Yeah, I mean that would definitely constitute a

640
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: fear of fearing for your life, for sure, your persecution

641
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: for sure. That's a good point. But that is that

642
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: that's kind of posed a problem for people in Warez

643
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: fleeing north, you know, because the US is right there.

644
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: Warez is in the middle of a real drug war

645
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: and it's a very dangerous place right now. Maybe they

646
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: don't think asylum, they just think, you know, across Yeah, illegally,

647
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: and so should clue him in. Yeah, and before we

648
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: were you were talking about the controversy with illegal immigration,

649
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: and we mentioned the recession. It seems like they're there.

650
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: That's pretty much. I don't think too many people have

651
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: problems with peaceful refugees seeking asylum in the US. It's

652
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: when economics are brought into it that will go nuts. Right, Um,

653
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: that always goes back to money, right, it does. But

654
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: I think first we should kind of we're we're up here, like, oh, well,

655
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: they're coming in down south and the border, right, Um,

656
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: we should probably point out that for a lot of

657
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: people who are making these border crossings illegally, it's extremely dangerous, right.

658
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Silverman who wrote this um this article cited three thousand

659
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: people who have died since trying to make the trek

660
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: between the Mexico California border Mexico California. Yeah, since we

661
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: since we erected the fence. They're interesting. Yeah. Um. Also

662
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: coyotes who you pay to get you across the border,

663
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: especially if you're coming out of warrez Um. They basically

664
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: double as drug transporters. They use illegal immigrants as mules

665
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: basically like well, here, carry some drugs and I won't

666
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: charge you, and the person will say, well, no, I'll

667
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: just pay you, and the guy pulled out a gun

668
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: and goes, no, you're going to carry these drugs. So

669
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: these people are not just getting busted coming into the country.

670
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: They're getting busted with tons of dope on them and

671
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: they're going to prison. Well, and then that gives the

672
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: argument to the native of saan See, they're just coming

673
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: in here bringing drugs when it may be traced back

674
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: to this one drug runner. It is making these hundreds

675
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: of people smuggling their drugs, and I think there's a

676
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: lot of confusion going on. But yes, it's it's not

677
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: good down there right now. No, it's not so. Uh.

678
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: Illegal immigrants, as most people know, a lot of times

679
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: will come to this country, join up with some of

680
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: their family who may be here already legally and do

681
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: jobs that Americans don't want to do for low wages.

682
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: That happens a lot of times. It's not legal, you're

683
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: not supposed to hire these people, but it happens. Yeah,

684
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't there. Um, I think Colbert did it. There's

685
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: a a group in New York State who we're offering

686
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: this farm hand like I think fruit harvesting job to

687
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: anybody who wanted it, any American born American, you wanted it,

688
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: and no one took him up on it. Yeah, well

689
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: that kind of goes uh to the guest worker program,

690
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: which is something George w was in favor of and

691
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: that has not been approved, but it's been bandied about

692
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: a lot. And basically that means if you can't find

693
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: any American to do a job that you want, you know,

694
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: to hire someone for, then hire a foreigner for about

695
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, to be a term limit like three years,

696
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: um track them through the system, make them pay some

697
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: taxes while they're here, and then give them an incentive

698
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: to return home, like, hey, we'll even give you retirement

699
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: benefits which you can collect in Warez after your term

700
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: is done, after you've worked for three years. And I

701
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: didn't know this at a little digging. There was actually

702
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: a program from ninety two to nineteen sixty four called

703
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: called the Bracero program that Roosevelt put in, and it

704
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: was basically that it was we need a lot of labor,

705
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: so let's get some of the Mexican people up here

706
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: to do this work. And it was a nice exchange.

707
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: But in the middle of this and then we were like,

708
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: everybody get out. Well it was till nineteen sixty four.

709
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: But in nineteen fifty four, in the middle of this program,

710
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: the I n S ran a program no lie called

711
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: Operation wet Back What That was the name of it what?

712
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: And their goal was to round up one thousand aliens

713
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: per day and get them out and in the end

714
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: more than one million Mexican nationals. We're taken back to

715
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: Mexico courtesy of the US, and not just taken back

716
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: to Mexico, but like eight hundreds to a thousand miles

717
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: deep into Mexico to discourage them coming back to the US.

718
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: Was this program headed up by Don Johnson, No man,

719
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: but that was the name of it. I mean you

720
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: can google it. So anyway, that's part of our our

721
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: lovely history to here. Wow. But um, until the guest

722
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: worker program is for real, then it's just an idea

723
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: that some people say might not be a bad one. Yeah, Like,

724
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: if they're here working, why not see if we can.

725
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Because the reason a lot of people get mad, we

726
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: should explain it's like this is fun, I'm watching you

727
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: tap dance is a they're not paying taxes is what

728
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: the people against US say and be they most times

729
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: are sending money straight back to their homes. Yeah, so

730
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: they're not even putting money into the economy. Remember when

731
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: we were in Guatemala, we found out that tourism number two,

732
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: agriculture number three, remittances was the number one driver of

733
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: their economy while we were there. Unbelievable. That takes a

734
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of people off, right, But I think that that's

735
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of a flash point, um. For I don't think

736
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: it encapsulates the whole thing. Is something the beginning and

737
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: the end of the problem with immigration, of course not right,

738
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: um chuck. A lot of people say, you want a

739
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: guess worker program path to citizenship that is amnesty, and

740
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: we don't do that in the US, right, Yeah, actually

741
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: we do. We've given amnesty to it a lot of people. Uh.

742
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: In nineteen Uh, Fidel Castro opened up the Merrielle Port

743
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: Havannah and a hundred and twenty five thousand Cubans said

744
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: see you later and showed up on mass in Miami. Yeah,

745
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: amnesty seems to have gone in big waves here. Yeah,

746
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: which is what a lot of people say. That's why

747
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do it, because it just encourages people to

748
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: come here illegally in hopes that there will be another

749
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: big amnesty. Right. It rewards illegal behavior, It's federally mandated

750
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: rewards for illegal behavior. I totally understand that argument. Um,

751
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: it's a slap in the face to all the people

752
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: who came here legally and went through this hard, kind

753
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: of grueling process legally. Um. And you know all the

754
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: other problems as well. Um. But I guess my point

755
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: is we have given amnesty to people before and hasn't

756
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: been the end of the country. Yeah, you know what

757
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's good point. Um. And by the way,

758
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: that that Cuban migration in that's what Scarface starts out.

759
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And the delt Force came to

760
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Atlanta actually because a lot of the immigrants were moved

761
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: to federal prisons just to hold for a while until

762
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: the government figured out what to do with them. There

763
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: was an uprising in the Atlanta federal pen attention and

764
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: the Delts Force showed up to quell it. W Well,

765
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened in scar Face, right when

766
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: there are a big uprising on their internment camp. Yes,

767
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: great movie. So obviously we well we didn't really talk

768
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: about the border Patrol. We could do a whole podcast

769
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: on that, but yeah, we did with customs. Yeah, we

770
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: talked about that. We can't say that that that virtual

771
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: border fence that was controversial and full of issues, technical

772
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: issues and delays. Obama put it into that in March

773
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: and said, this thing is we could use our money

774
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: better than this. It's not working. But there is a fence.

775
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: There's five and eighty miles of vents along the border,

776
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: pedestrian and vehicle fencing. So I mean they're they're working

777
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: on it. I don't know. I mean, they can clearly

778
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: never build a fence along the entire border, but the

779
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: Minutemen Civil Devent Defense Corps is trying to do it

780
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: on their own, not very successfully though they talk a lot,

781
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: but apparently they did a report on their fence and

782
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: they basically said it's a cattle fence. I once interviewed

783
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy who founded that. I can't remember

784
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: his name right now, but I talked to him on

785
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: the phone, and you just start him talking and he'll talk.

786
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: It was very interesting, very interesting conversation to just basically

787
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: sit there and take notes on well, I mean, I

788
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: guess I see what they're trying to prove. But they

789
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: were you know, their goal was a ten mile stretch

790
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: of fence, and come on, ten miles. I mean, you

791
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: can walk that in an hour and go around it

792
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: ten miles an hour. You're gonna have to be jogging

793
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: running okay, two hours? Okay, what do you walk about?

794
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: Four miles? I walk about a mile and a half

795
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: an hour because I stop a lot and lay down. Well,

796
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: you're a stroller? What else, dude? Um, well, that's it.

797
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: An amnesty. You want to talk about some more highlights

798
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: of amnesty. About a million Nicaraguans were given amnesty through

799
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: the Central American Relief Act. UH hundred and twenty five

800
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: thousand Haitian refugees were granted amnesty on mass and all

801
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: of that is because of the Night six Immigration Reform

802
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: and Control Act, which gave amnesty to about two point

803
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: eight million illegal immigrants. And the president who did that one,

804
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, ooka there. Yeah, it's funny how things were.

805
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: He was such a dichotomous president. Man. Yeah, okay, I

806
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: got nothing else. I don't either. I think that's the

807
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: end of immigration. We don't ever have to talk about

808
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: it again. Yeah, we can do refugees. We can do

809
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: naturalization at some point. Yeah, we could. Well, just how

810
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: about this, We'll just play selected clips from Jane Seymour's

811
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: naturalization documentary and just be like, oh wow, alright, God,

812
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: that's something, and then we'll, uh, we'll make sure to

813
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: get a lot of you crying. Okay, so Chuck. If

814
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: anybody wants to learn more about immigration, very dense article

815
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: well written by one Jacob Silverman who used to work here.

816
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: You can type in immigration that's two MS in the

817
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: handy search bar at how stuff works dot com, which

818
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: means it's time now or listener mail Josh, I'm gonna

819
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: call this, uh shout out requests that we don't grant often,

820
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: but we are in this case. Oh, this is a

821
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: big one that we can pay for these now. No

822
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: in Karmen, we do, guys. My name is Eric Rrickson.

823
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: I've been listening to your show for some time now.

824
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: I was actually shown them by my friend. Uh, how

825
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: would you pronounce I l O in a Elona? Alona? Elona?

826
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: It's like Alona, which is why I'm actually emailing you

827
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: guys for her birthday this year. I'm trying to do

828
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: something really, really special I've been emailing her favorite actors

829
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: and musicians to see if they could send an autograph

830
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: or a short message. So far, I've gotten messages back

831
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: from Andrew Bird, who I'm a fan of, and Priscilla

832
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: On who was another singer who I don't know, and

833
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: they both got back. So I felt that's the only

834
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: reason I did this. I thought, well, we can't be

835
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: the jerks who don't do it. How many of these

836
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna get now, No, don't bother. We're gonna do

837
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: like a happy birthdays figure. Now. I figured it'd be

838
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: really awesome if you two can maybe give a shout

839
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: out to her and the listener mail sections. So that's

840
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: what we're doing here. Eric, would mean a lot to

841
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: me if you could do this. It doesn't matter when

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Speaker 1: hoping she doesn't listen to it before they give for

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Speaker 1: me when a birthday is. So we're ruining this for you,

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Speaker 1: Alona that I'm very sorry. If you get back to

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Speaker 1: me sometime, it would be super awesome. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just want to tell you why. Alona means so

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Speaker 1: much to me. So that is very sweet. Eric with

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Speaker 1: in a minute whatever you're seekings. And Eric with the

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Speaker 1: You should just throw a T on the end of that.

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Speaker 1: Just he's very middle of the road. I'll bet so

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Speaker 1: blew them off. Well, thanks a lot um. If you

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