1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and sixty four. 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about foundational habits and fall. 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: So a couple of f words. My little guy just 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: started my well, my next to little guy just started 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: kindergarten today, So I'm going to sort of f is 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: for foundation habits. Move. We're recording this in right after 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: labor Day and we are Yeah, fall up here, not 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: so much where you are, but that's okay, right, Sarah. No, 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: So I designed this episode so I could live vicariously 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: through your fall images and fall fund lists and all 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: that good stuff. Yeah. So foundational habits, though as a concept, 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: you because you suggested this episode and I like this idea. 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: Where where did you get this from? I think the 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: original concept came from Gretchen Rubin. I think she mentions 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: that there are like some found I think this was 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: in one of her actual like one of her earlier books, 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: like The Happiness Project or The Happier at Home Project, 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: where you know, there are certain habits that if you 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: kind of don't do them, make it very hard to 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: do anything else, like and if you do do them, 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: you find that other things kind of fall into place better. 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: And I do feel like since a lot of our 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: routines and habits have been disrupted, some of us are 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: figuring out what's truly essential and what's not. And also 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: as some things have been harder to come by, like 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: maybe alone time, you might realize new importance of some 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: of them that you took for granted in the past. 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: That's why I thought it'd be a fun conversation. Well, 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: it's always interesting thinking about habits like that, because some 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: things are so ingrained that you don't even think of 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: them as habits. For instance, like I mean, I'm guessing 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: you have relatively regular meal times. For instance, right do 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: you eat breakfast? And lunch and dinner that are actual 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: meals right pretty much pretty much, And that's that's a habit, 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Like not everybody eats that way, but it's so part 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: of our lives that you know, there are meal times 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: and then there are sort of not meal times that 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, I can't even imagine sort of the chaos 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: my life would feel like if I didn't have meals, right, 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: like if I was just sort of eating random stuff 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: every two hours. So yeah, I mean that's I guess 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: that is a foundational habit, but I hadn't put it 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: on the list because it was not even something. You know, 53 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny, like you also realize how arbitrary 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: are like even going beyond the actual times of meals, 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: the things that people tend to eat at each meal 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: where that's so cultural and you know, many Americans start 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: their day with bagels or cereal or some carb heavy thing, 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: which I do all the time. By the way, I'm 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: not knocking that habit. You know, that's like totally it's manufactured, right, 60 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Like in many countries people just eat whatever, you know, 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: like right, which get a bunch of Americans that are like, 62 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: what is this? I I was in Eastern Europe with 63 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: a group of young people at one point, like a 64 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: big group of young people, and we were staying at, 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, a relatively low budget hotel, but it had breakfast. 66 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: Have I told the story on the podcast? I'm trying 67 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: to remember. I feel like I've told this story before, 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: but maybe not on the podcast. And you know, they 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: serve what they serve, which is like bread and cheese 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: and meat, right, that's breakfast, and you know, maybe some 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: mucily in a little yogurt or whatever. But they weren't 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: going out of the way to make an American breakfast 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: because that's not what the hotel was, right. It wasn't 74 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: like a giant Weston in the middle of Paris that 75 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: like recognizes that half the people there are Americans. So 76 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: they weren't doing that. And the young people I was 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: with were like they couldn't get it into their heads 78 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: that this is what people eat. Like in their minds, 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: it was just a bad hotel. Were They're like, this 80 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: is so weird breakfast. They can't figure out what new breakfast. Oh, 81 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: that's so funny. When I was like twenty two and 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: I took a trip to Europe on a very low 83 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: budget we stayed at like a bunch of hostels and stuff. 84 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite parts was like having 85 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: like the native like usually it is, you know, bread 86 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: and butter, you know, sometimes a croissant or but yeah, 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: sometimes in Scandinavia. And yeah, we didn't mean to make 88 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: this episode about breakfast, but that's just so as a foundation, 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: like you expect to eat breakfast food in the morning 90 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: and if you don't get it, like you feel like what. 91 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: So in that way, it is foundational or showering regularly, right, 92 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm a little out of sorts 93 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: on camping trips if I haven't in a while. Oh 94 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: my goodness. Well showering, Yes, that's a good habit to have. 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: All right, Well with that said Sarah, how about you 96 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: go into your foundational habits once we've gotten past showering 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: and eating breakfast. Showering is important. Although that one falls 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: by the wayside sometimes, I would not say it's a 99 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: foundation habit of mine, although most workdays I managed to 100 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: get it in. The first one is sleep. If I 101 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: do not get at least seven hours a night, then 102 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: everything else is very difficult. So I would definitely consider 103 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: that among one of my foundational habits, and I know 104 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: some people it's more like eight. And I also know 105 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: that people are listening to this with young babies and 106 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: are like, ah, so people, certain people with young babies. 107 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: I know it's so hard. I mean, I didn't get 108 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: that sleep when I had the little ones, and I 109 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: made everything else harder. So and I didn't get that 110 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: sleep and I was in residency and it made everything 111 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: else harder. So I don't think I take it for granted. 112 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, very grateful every time I sleep through the night, 113 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: But yes, I would consider it a foundational habit. The 114 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: second one is meditation. I don't like, it's not like 115 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: I need to do this every single day, but when 116 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: I have this fit into my life in some form, 117 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: I find that everything else runs a little bit more smoothly. 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: And I only spend about ten minutes doing it, and 119 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: I still use an app for it, So I'm like, 120 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not really looking to deepen my practice or 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: lengthen it. I'm just like happy with like that amount. 122 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: So but I would say it's pretty foundational at this point. 123 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Planning so my daily kind of planning sessions, although I 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: don't always do that on the weekends. But pretty much 125 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: on every week day to sit down and think about 126 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: how I'm going to spend the day and looking at 127 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: my calendar and just spending that time to think through it. 128 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: That is a foundational habit for me. Exercise, I know 129 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: we both have that one in common. I feel best 130 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: when I work out between five and six days a week, 131 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: probably six ideal world, but I recognize sometimes it's five 132 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: and that's okay. It doesn't have to be a long workout. 133 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: I think when I was younger, I was trapped into 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: the idea that it had to be like five mile 135 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: run or didn't count or something like that. But now 136 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm happy if it's thirty minutes, even a twenty or 137 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: twenty five minute like hi hit session can be plenty. 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: And then other days I will work out for longer, 139 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: so I find that it's worth for going some sleep. 140 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Maybe not below that seven hour minimum, but you know 141 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: that between seven to eight kind of a thing I'd 142 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: rather work out than get eight. And then I think 143 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: the last two are sort of more like fun things 144 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: that I really like to build into the day. One 145 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: is music, which I don't know if I don't listen 146 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: to music, It's not like my day is ruined, but 147 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: I find it like an enhancer of my life, and 148 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: I forget to use it. Like we have Spotify the 149 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: premium so I can listen to any album, and when 150 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: every time I turn it on, I'm like, oh, it's 151 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: so much nicer at home with like this nice soundtrack, 152 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: or you know, if I'm taking a walk and I'm 153 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: listening to music, it's just such a nice feeling. So 154 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that's pretty foundational. And then reading, I 155 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: if I'm not reading, something's wrong in life, So definitely foundational. Yeah, 156 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: I've been having trouble with the reading lately. I don't 157 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: know if it's just the colm of lacking the other 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: foundational habits. It's totally the sleep. I mean, you can't 159 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to read anything. I don't want to 160 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: read a book. I don't want to read. I don't. 161 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: I just like I can't get into it. I don't 162 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: have something I want to read, like, so it's just 163 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm scrolling around a lot, and I don't want to 164 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: do that either. So I've you know, been consciously attempting 165 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: to make my Instagram feed like pretty pictures of pretty things. 166 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: If that's what I'm going to look at anyway, like 167 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: I want to make it as much as possible, like 168 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, gorgeous interior design and beautiful flowers and things 169 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, I haven't been able to get 170 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: into any reading of late, so mine are as people 171 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: might guess fairly similar to Sarah's. You know, we've discussed 172 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: our lives on the podcast, how we how we sort 173 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: of function, and what we need. But sleep is a 174 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: foundational probit probably for everyone. And right now I'm just 175 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: not enough and enough undisturbed sleep, and it is so hard. 176 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: It is making everything worse. And you know, yeah, we're 177 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: sleep training the baby, but it's not it's yeah, I 178 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: don't know. There. I always get somewhat annoyed with this 179 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: because there's some people for whom it works great and quickly, 180 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: and then they're like evangelical about it. But then there 181 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: are kids who are just stubborn and there, you know, 182 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: you don't hear the testimonials from those people on the 183 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: on the sleep training websites or whatever. I mean, I've 184 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: been this is my fifth kid. It's not like I've 185 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: never experienced with so of the five kids you've had 186 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: five and a five study here, have they been different? 187 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: They have. They have, So Sam and Ruth have always 188 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: needed more sleep than the others and did more sleep, 189 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: you know, Jasper, Alex and I, maybe Henry will say, 190 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: have been less into sleep. And you can tell that 191 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: you talk to families that their babies are just much 192 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: more oriented towards sleep than some of my kids have been. 193 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,239 Speaker 1: And so, you know, it's just there are some particular 194 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: issues you have to deal with. I mean, there are 195 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: others that I don't with my kids, you know. So 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: there you just you get what you get. You don't 197 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: get upset. I think it's that you work within the 198 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: framework you have. But like last night, so you knows, 199 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: as you might imagine, I've been doing most of the 200 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: middle of night wake ups because you know, he wants 201 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: mommy in the middle of the night. So last night, 202 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: the big idea is that I was going to go 203 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: sleep in the basement and so Michael would be fully 204 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: on for the baby wake ups, probably because he'd hear 205 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: a few of them. So maybe we could just like 206 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: convince him to get himself back to sleep if it 207 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: was a mile you know, a short wake up or something. 208 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: And so I went down and slept in the basement. 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: But I managed to sleep from ten thirty to twelve thirty, 210 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: at which point Michael and Henry are standing over me. 211 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: Like he had been up for like half an hour 212 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: already at that point, and so you know, Michael had 213 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: like given up and so it was like coming to 214 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: find me. But the honest with it this, I couldn't 215 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: get him down either. I was, he was up for 216 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: another hour. It was just not fun. So I feel 217 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: like there's some genetic mysteries around sleep, especially you know, 218 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: when I hear a story like, oh, two of my 219 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: kids slept great and three of them really aren't into sleeping, 220 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: like makes me think of some kind of like autosomal 221 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: dominant variation. I don't know, they're not mutation, because different 222 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: lengths of sleep need are not you know, pathologic, and 223 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: that very interprise us. Because there are adults who need 224 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: eight and a half hours of sleep or they're incredibly grumpy. 225 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: There are also adults who need six and a half 226 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: hours of sleep, and that is absolutely fun. And you know, 227 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: I would say probably ninety five percent of people are 228 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: within that range, like between six and a half and 229 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: eight and a half. I mean, there's a couple who 230 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: are short sleepers, and there are some people who for 231 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: whatever reason need more, but you know most people are 232 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: in there. But that's it's a huge range. Like if 233 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: you think about day to day life, like needing six 234 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: and a half versus eight and a half, Like how 235 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: much you know different space is available for other things 236 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: within that range. When you talk about a baby that's 237 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: not sleeping well and someone kind of like gives you 238 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: that you're doing it wrong angle, I can imagine, particularly 239 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: when it's your fifth child, that it's like, oh, well, 240 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: I don't know that. You know, they have a different experience, 241 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm not saying that there are some things 242 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: that are good or bad. Like you know, we we 243 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: are definitely have some good habits We've been working on 244 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: with him. He's much better now about scrape, sleeping in 245 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: his crib for naps. We've got that set up. We're 246 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: very you know, focused on getting those naps at a 247 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: certain time and I'm putting them to bed earlier, and 248 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: just you know, dealing with like the fact that there 249 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: are wake ups in the before he goes down for 250 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: longer stretches, and you know, it's we have the structures 251 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: in place. It's just some kids are way, way, way 252 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: more stubborn about it than others. And I would be 253 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: unhappy if somebody who's forcing me to you know, I 254 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: need probably seven point three or four hours of sleep 255 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: per night, and if somebody forced me to be in 256 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: my bed for ten hours, like I would be kind 257 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: of ticked off about it, Like, you know, I wouldn't 258 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: want to do it. And why is that any different 259 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: than a child, like you know, I don't know. Anyway, 260 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: we hold a bit of a tangent here, but it's 261 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: an important one because because of the reality of the 262 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: way things are right now, it has prevented you, to 263 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: some extent, from from doing that foundational habit. And it's 264 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: because it is so I do need my sleep and 265 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm not getting uninterrupted sleep. I mean I get probably 266 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: one stretch of sleep that's about three hours in the night, 267 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: and then the others are shorter. So hopefully that will change, 268 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, That's all I can all I can say, 269 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: hopefully that will get better. But because of that, that 270 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: makes life a lot harder. I've you know, been realizing 271 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: again with this COVID everyone in the house experience is 272 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: that I need some solo time. Like every day, I'm 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm an introvert. I know that I'm not shy, 274 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm not whatever else people think of introverts being. It's 275 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: just that that's how I recharge is by having some 276 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: quiet solo time. And so when I have like four 277 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: people talking to me at once, or somebody's got the 278 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: TV going in the background and somebody else is playing 279 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: a song like it just it makes me go crazy, 280 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: and so I need to have some time where I'm 281 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: by myself. So that comes to then I have a 282 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: list going here. I tend to combine the solo time 283 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: with exercise, which I also feel like I need daily, 284 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: and going outside. So if I have a day where 285 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: I can get outside for a thirty minute run, it's 286 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: going to be a better day than a day in 287 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: which I do not get outside for my thirty minute run. 288 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: And I have not been running every day. I did 289 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: my running streak for like three years, and that hasn't 290 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: been happening last few months, and I think I can tell. 291 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: I think I can tell that I'm not happy. I mean, yes, 292 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: it's parsally the sleep as well, which is just like 293 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: depressing to not be able to sleep, but not having 294 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: that regular every day running thing is not helping either, 295 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: So maybe I'll get back to it. We'll see as 296 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the baby gets a little older, is the day. Yeah, 297 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: but I don't want to wish twenty twenty a way 298 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, it's a cute first year 299 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: of a baby's life. Oh no, I just meant that 300 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: maybe that would be the start of your new stream maybe, 301 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: although you like starting on an arbitrary date, so it 302 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: could be a totally arbitrary and maybe when he's a 303 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: little bit older too, I don't know, you know, not 304 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: breastfeeding anymore. We'll see. Planning. I plan on Fridays, just 305 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: like you. You plan frequently. You you do a Friday 306 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: planning session too, It's like your weekly review, right, Well, 307 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: I do a work planning session on Friday, and then 308 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: like a home slash life planning session on Monday mornings actually, 309 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: which is typically the day I don't work out. Yes, 310 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: oh okay, gotcha. So and it doesn't bother you that 311 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: you go into Monday morning not knowing what is well 312 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,239 Speaker 1: I would have I will have already sorted through work stuffy, 313 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: so that part is like, okay, I kind of know 314 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: what's happening. Monday is also usually a patient day. For me, 315 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: So it's very predictable. So it's not like I have 316 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of like unknowns or to do's to think 317 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: about for Mondays. And I guess I do look ahead, 318 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: like on Sundays briefly, like at my calendar upcoming, so 319 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: I have a general idea, but I don't do like 320 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: the nitty gritty like what do I want to get 321 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: done this week? You know, really like time blocking out, 322 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: like you know which work tests are more pressing and 323 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: what home things need to get done during the week 324 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: until Monday morning. I can't explain why, but like I 325 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: struggle with getting into the mindset unless I'm in like 326 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: a fresh mindset an early month and maybe I like 327 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: the deadline. I don't know, I gotta get it done, No, 328 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: I say, I like going into Monday knowing what Monday 329 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: is all about, and so I play it on Friday. 330 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: So I've kind of got that, and then it allows 331 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: me to sort of rethink the weekend too, if I 332 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: need to coordinate anything with that, you know, plan personal professional. 333 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: I've decided I'm really just taking it week by week 334 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: on the planning. Like my hat. My inclination is to 335 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: go like three months out like oh, maybe there's a 336 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: conflict in like six weeks I need to deal with, 337 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: but that's just wasted effort at this point. We'll come 338 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: to that when we get to that. And then finally, 339 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: my last foundational habit at this point, which I've developed 340 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: in the past five years, is time tracking. So I 341 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: have tracked my time in half hour blocks for the 342 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: past five years, and it is, you know, not so 343 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: much about anything related to my time management anymore, because 344 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: I just see how much that changes based on what's 345 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: going on in life. It's more of a record of 346 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: my life. It's a it's a journal that shows not 347 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: just how I felt about stuff or what I chose 348 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: to remember when I was writing it down, but everything. 349 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: And so those memories are there, which is kind of cool. 350 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: I can call them back up. So that's that's another 351 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: foundational habit. So I think we need to take an 352 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: ad break, so we'll be back talking about Fall in 353 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: a few minutes. So we are back best of both 354 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: worlds talking about foundational habits in the first part of 355 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: this episode. But I think we were going to pivot 356 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: to Fall. Yeah, well, this episode is airing right as 357 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: the official beginning of Fall. Hits isn't it usually the 358 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: twentieth or the twenty first of September? What is it 359 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: the autumnal equinox? Autumnal journals Spring Autumnal. Yeah, I want 360 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: to know if the maybe it's the equinox, but I know, 361 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: I know there's like an official first day of the 362 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: actual season. I've always found it laughable down here because 363 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: it's like the same, Oh it's fall. Wow, it's ninety 364 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: degrees in humid, like what nothing has happened. But I 365 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: will say, like across the country, I guess we've been 366 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: having very crazy weather patterns everywhere, and as we're recording this, 367 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: there's like crazy fire sky in California, but there was 368 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: also snow in Colorado. And my friend posted a picture 369 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: of her two little girls starting school in Texas and 370 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: she said they had worse sweater for the first start 371 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: of school ever, which is also because school started about 372 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: three weeks later than in normally does in Texas, so 373 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: some people are getting getting some fall experience. Yes, the 374 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: Colorado one was crazy. I don't know if your friends 375 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: there have posted like screenshots of their weather apps, but 376 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: it was it was like ninety degrees on Monday, and 377 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: then it went down to thirty on Tuesday with snow. 378 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: So no, and it's weird. There's like gardens that you 379 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: can see where the snow like just made all the 380 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: break green plants fall down Like it's not that's not 381 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: the way it's normally goes. Normally everything gets brown and 382 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: shrivels up and then it gets covered with snow. But 383 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Colorado was well no, but I mean around here, 384 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: one of the worst tree damage storms we ever had 385 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: was when we we had an ice storm in late October. 386 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: Because the leaves were not off the trees yet normally 387 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: we have an ice storm, all that's coming down is 388 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: like the branches, and the branches are somewhat used to 389 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: ice because this is you know, the Pennsylvania they deal 390 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: with that. So there were all the leaves, the leaves 391 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: were covered with ice and so the weight was just incredible. 392 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: So trees were falling everywhere. So yes, anti seasonal stuff 393 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't work well. But you grew up around here, right, 394 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: we really did, and I do. I do. I miss fall. 395 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: And I also went to college in like the most 396 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: beautiful fall landscape that you could have, we had these. 397 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: I went to Williams in Western Massachusetts and it was 398 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: just this like Rainbow Mountain scene. It was like so idyllic. 399 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we dreaded December because the winter was terrible, 400 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: maybe even November. I don't know. I got cold real 401 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: quick and I don't really like cold. Ether's so really 402 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: like for me to complain about the heat down here 403 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: is ridiculous, But I do miss that feeling of fall, 404 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: and I just wonder how this year is going to 405 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: be different, because down here, even if you don't feel 406 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: like fall, you can pretend it's fall by having gatherings 407 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: that typically happen in the fall. And I just don't 408 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: know if that's we're having your pumpkin spiced latte? Are you? 409 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: Are you a pumpkin spice person? You know what. I 410 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: love the concept of it, and like I think two 411 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: or three years ago, I bought my very last one 412 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: because I bought it. I'm like, this is discussing like 413 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I drink my coffee black and 414 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: I do like cappuccinos and lattes, but I don't typically 415 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: put any sugar in it. So for me, it was 416 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: just like, no, I have heard really good things about 417 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: the cold brew Pumpkin beverage that Starbucks offers, but I 418 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: have never tried. Well, I think it's sort of a 419 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: slightly creamy, slightly sweet, you know, cold drink then or whatever, 420 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: but less sweet than like i've been, less so sweet 421 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: than the PSL. Yeah, so it's interesting. I'm I'm not 422 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: a PSL person either, but I like Chai tea and 423 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: so I've had like Chai lattes and thought those were 424 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: reasonably good. And as far as I know, it's a 425 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: fairly similar spice concept. Right, it's like slightly peppery gingery 426 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: with a you know, cinnamoni. I'm getting it wrong, but 427 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's that, yeah, fall Delicio, 428 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: and we do like to make pumpkin pancakestone here that 429 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: kind of reflects that that flavor. So what do you 430 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: put in them that makes you put pure in them? 431 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: Or yeah, they do have pumpkin pure. We actually tend 432 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: to use the same recipe. It's from Run Fast, Eat 433 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: Slow that came out three or four years ago, and 434 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: the recipe calls for tef as the green, but I've 435 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: never been able to find teft, so we just use 436 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: who wheat flour spice. What even is that? It's actually 437 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: like it's like a tiny seed that could use one year. 438 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to source it because I'm sure they're delicious, 439 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: made with the actual kind. Yeah, I'm sure Amazon or 440 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: anywhere else would have it or some fancy grain story 441 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: if I wanted to go that deep. But no, it 442 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: has like well I think it has like cinnamon, nutmeg, 443 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: maybe some cardamum, ginger, maybe clothes. A lot of those 444 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: mixtures have like a little tiny bit of clothes, which 445 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: add that I don't know, it's like a fall taste. It. Oh, 446 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: they're so good, They're super good, So we'll definitely do that. 447 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: That's a way we can have fall without having to 448 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: actually have any fall weather because it doesn't get cold 449 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: till November or not cold even, but like nice. They 450 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: get to like say, like there's a chance it might 451 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: start getting cooler in November. Usually before then, I mean, 452 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: we might see like a tapering off of the thunderstorm frequency, 453 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: which I guess is cool in October maybe maybe, but 454 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: you don't really notice any noticeable like and people don't 455 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: grasp the like the low down here is like eighty 456 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: like it just we don't have that, like no, and 457 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: the highs are not one hundred the highs are like ninety. 458 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: It's just it's sort of a very one note experience outside. Well, 459 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: there's there's something to be said for seasons. I love 460 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: the seasonal aspect of this area. You know, September is 461 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: this kind of cool month in the sense like you 462 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: start warm, but you can tell that things are changing, 463 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: Like the light is more slanted because the sun is 464 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: not as high in the sky. You the vines turn quickly, 465 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: so there's this flake, this this color profile that's a 466 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: little bit deeper with the overgrown greens of the summer 467 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: with this touch of yellow or red and the overgrown vines. 468 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: So it's it's got this great model nature to the 469 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: color outside. And you know, always like the kids going 470 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: back to school get the school supplies, and we had 471 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: to do it a little differently this year. We wound 472 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: up ordering everything online and the Big Three did virtual. 473 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: But Alex went to his first day of school live, 474 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, in person, so I was able to take 475 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: the picture of him, and you know, you just every 476 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: September it just has this feeling of time passing, this 477 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: sense of because because the previous Septembers you can sort 478 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: of remember, like oh yeah, starting new things, then, and 479 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: it's it's a very it's a milestone stone month. And 480 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: so I think back to past Septembers and what those 481 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: are like, and I always remember that first touch of 482 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: cool air, like when I moved to New York in September, 483 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: early September of two thousand and two and in the 484 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: course of the year met Michael, fell madly in love whatever. 485 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: So I remember September of two thousand and three like this, 486 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: you know, just the feeling like this city was this 487 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: pull of possibility as that you know, Chill came in 488 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: and I'm with this man that I'm like deeply in 489 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: love with, and you know, so I have that sort 490 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: of memory of the city and fall with that, and 491 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's just I love September. But then I 492 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: love October two because the colors are amazing. Just I'm 493 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: so there's there's this quote from Ellen Montgomery, right, and 494 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to live in a world that has Octobers. 495 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: And it's just this gratuitous beauty in this area that like, why, 496 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: in the course of the world coming to be are 497 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: there bright red leaves for three weeks in the fall? 498 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so cool, but it's so nice 499 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: that there are I wanted to share that. Josh and 500 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: I also had our very first date in September of 501 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, so that's kind of amazing. But 502 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: I was going to also say that we were going 503 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: to go on a leaf trip this year, which we 504 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: canceled because it would have involved like multiple flights, and 505 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: I just we're not ready for multiple flights yet. So 506 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: that's sad. Maybe next year it was gonna be awesome. Well, 507 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, you can there's nowhere you can drive 508 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: to that has great leaves. No, we are planning to 509 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: do some trips later in the short flight that you 510 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: might feel more comfortable with. I don't know, like you're 511 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: going to are at some point right, Like, I mean, 512 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: that's the short flight. I think we're I think we're 513 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: going to drive. Actually, she's gonna we're gonna meet at 514 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: one of our favorite places, Amelia Island, and it's about 515 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: the same distance drive for both of us. So got 516 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: that'd be fun. That'd be great. Yeah, but the leaves, 517 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: the leaves next year, There should be leaves next year. 518 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: This one. There's full thing about fall. It always comes 519 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: to be fall again. Yeah, so we have a couple 520 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: of things on my fall fun list. I always publish 521 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: a fall fun list on the blog, and when I 522 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: do apple picking, I've got that scheduled. It'll probably have 523 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: happened by the time this errs, because it turns out 524 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: that the apples I like are more of a September 525 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: harvest than an October harvest. So if you're thinking of 526 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: apples as like fall fast October, the ones I want 527 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: are already gone. So I've learned this through hard experience 528 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: that September is when it needs to happen. You will 529 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: be doing some leaf peeping, hiking, you know, hopefully biking. 530 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how we can do that. Yeah, 531 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to fall, even if we don't 532 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: have some of the same stuff that we usually do. No, 533 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: no Eagles games, they've no. I was signed up to 534 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: do a November marathon not happening, so but I'm still 535 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: going to do a ten mile run that is on 536 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: the calendar. May have happened by the time this happens, 537 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: but I think, you know, do a couple it'll be great. Yeah, definitely, 538 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: there's no reason not to do a faux long run 539 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: or faux race. Even if we wanted to. Halloween is 540 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: what I'm wondering about. You know, we're gonna be about 541 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: a month from Halloween when the stairs I don't know. 542 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: People have talked about setting up tables so that you're 543 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: not really going into people's houses, and I think that 544 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: might be a good Yeah, I see that, you know what. 545 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: I I think there's totally a way it can be 546 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: done with like no problem whatsoever. Like, yeah, you have 547 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: candy set out on a table and people can just 548 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: grab a piece of candy or whatever, so they're not touched, 549 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: not even to which now that we're knowing, it's not 550 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: even really passed through touching stuff anyway. I just worry 551 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: that they're going to cancel stuff for no reason other 552 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: than the same silliness that's leading to cancel other things. 553 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, people, there's like a lot of people 554 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: by canceling Halloween. You know. Well, here's the funny thing. 555 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: People are like, well, why not instead of doing trick 556 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: or treating, we all meet up together for an hour. 557 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that's worse, that's worse, worse. No, we're 558 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: having kids walking around outside picking candy up off a table, 559 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: like wearing their costumes having fun. It's like, no, no 560 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: problem whatsoever. But I worry that places where I would 561 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: be like, oh no, we want to show we're serious. 562 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: Let's just cancel more things for kids. That's that's what 563 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: it is. That's anyway. I don't I think Halloween will 564 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: have them. I think the out the outdoor aspect should 565 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: be protective. I joked that I'm going to just dress 566 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: my kids as doctors and they can wear full ppe 567 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: and then their costume is done. And I'm just kidding 568 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Doctors and nurses with mess, yeah, they should 569 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: be fine. I think, you know, as if Genevieve is 570 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: going to keep a face shield on. The really really 571 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: good about their masks. I gotta say I have been impressed. 572 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: I've been completely I fingers crossed. This doesn't change. But 573 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I assumed that Alex would be the kid who is 574 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: ripping it off left and right, and he has not been. 575 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: He has worn it diligently every time he needed to 576 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: and is am amazing. Like, you know, so we talk, 577 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: we open talking about sleep like it's some things you 578 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: you get, you know, the bumm deal. I seem to 579 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: be getting some of the bum deal on sleep. With 580 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: little kids, and certainly I did with Alex, but then 581 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: there are other things that you get lucky on like 582 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: that that's not an issue, like you know, because if 583 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: it is, it would have been ten times as hard 584 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: to do anything right. So no, that's so true. But 585 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: we have Cameron's been pretty good. I don't know if 586 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent at school, but he's supposed to be. 587 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: The problem is Genevieve, Like she's just in that area 588 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: where she theoretically should be wearing it, but she also 589 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: likes to pull it off, and she's not even three yet, 590 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: so it's a little hard to enforce things all. I mean, 591 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't believe that there's any evidence that you're going 592 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: to keep two year old's mask for you that. I mean, 593 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: we're up to, you know, twenty three months versus like 594 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: twenty eight months, like ooh, something's different there. Yes, the 595 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: physiology is theology of very different changes. Completely. I know, 596 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: I feel like our would have probably been a more 597 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: realistic number because a four year old can typically follow direction. 598 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: None of this is being set by people worth thinking parents. 599 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, well well transit to the week. Yes, 600 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I'm worried that I talked about this 601 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: Love of the Week before, did I do you think 602 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: somen is going through? And like, well, I no, no, Sarah, 603 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: you said that before. I've listened to all one hundred 604 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: and sixty four episodes and you were not. I know 605 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: this is the pen one. I'm not worried about this one. No, Well, 606 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: you know what, I have listened to podcasts before where 607 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: I've heard the host repeat themselves and I'm like, oh, 608 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: but then then sometimes they realize it and it's kind 609 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: of funny. So anyway, podcast hosts are people too. My 610 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: love of the week is I love it. We have 611 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: matching ones, the pentel energel Klena made in Japan zero 612 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: point five millimeters, and I wonder if it's the exact 613 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: same thing that you have just the job. What does 614 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: clena even mean like what? I don't know, Like clean. 615 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: I think it means a clean like not smudgy, which 616 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: it really is. It's very glidy. I think it would 617 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: still smudge on my beloved home one paper because everything does, 618 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: but like in my bullet journal and I'll just regular 619 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: copy paper. Oh it's like, I mean, I don't think 620 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: I've ever had a gel pen like yeah, mine mine 621 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: is the Pentel Energel liquid gel needle tip zero point 622 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: seven millimeter tip. I I bought these at Target last year. 623 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: I've been using them and then I I just ordered 624 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: some more because they disappear from my desk in the 625 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: sort of lack of boundaries that seems to happen in 626 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: this house. But yeah, that's pretty similar to my. I'm 627 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: sure we're holding ours up to the camera, but mine's 628 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: pretty It's pretty okay, fine, Yours is prettier. Mine is 629 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: not a fancy Japanese pen. I just bought it at Target. 630 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: They're probably the same inside I have I have my. 631 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: I mean they're both called Pentel Energel, so probably similar. 632 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: It does write really well. I liked it. I like 633 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: writing with it, you know, on my notebooks, on my notes, 634 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: whatever I'm in my journal. I like to have a 635 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: good pen for some I feel like it's going to 636 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: cause me to have great ideas and great thoughts, and 637 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: so I buy the good pens thinking that's going to happen. 638 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: I also buy cute little notebooks thinking that I'm going 639 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: to fill them with great thoughts. And my supply of 640 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: cute little notebooks vastly outstrips my supply of great thoughts 641 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: at the moment. So I'm not sure what to do 642 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: about that. If you write anything down on a regular 643 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: basis and you do not have a pen that you love, 644 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: I encourage you to order some pens because life is 645 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: too short to have crappy pens and it is really 646 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: a joyous experience to write with a pen that feels good. 647 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: There you go, All right, Well this has been best 648 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: of both worlds. We've wait, what about our Q and A? Oh? 649 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: I have one? Oh I might have forgotten a Q 650 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: and A. So I'm just going along with the scripts. 651 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, well, well sorry, Oh well, we've already 652 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: gone thirty minutes anyway. So yeah, so we have discussed 653 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: habits and fall and great pens and please that's your questions. 654 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: We do have some more, so I'm not running low 655 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: on them, but I did forget to include one in 656 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: today's script. Oh, I know what I want to do? 657 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: Can I mention one more thing about fall? Probably by 658 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: this point, the Fall Extravaganza episode of the Girls next 659 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: Door podcast has probably aired, and it is one of 660 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: my favorite fall traditions. They've done it every year. It's 661 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: a very conversational, like friend podcast, hosted by two women 662 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: with young kids. One of them just had a baby 663 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: this year. But they do this amazing thing where they 664 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: they buy each other fall scented candles and then they 665 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: make the other one create a name for it, and 666 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: it has to be in the realm of like pumpkin 667 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: spice latte. But like it has been, they do it 668 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: for it. Okay, they do it on air and it's 669 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: just like it's lovely. So probably by now you can 670 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: download it and they're there. It's called the Girls Next 671 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: year a spicy warm plaid. That's one of their yes. 672 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: Sometimes like Lumberjack comes in there and like yeah, yeah, 673 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: the names they come up with their pond'l advertise on Instagram. 674 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 1: That was called Friday night Football. I'm like trying too hard, 675 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: Like what is the smell of Friday night football? Cut grass, 676 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: sweaty man? Just yeah, maybe some seven layer den layer here, 677 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: that's a candle. I want to seke a candle this 678 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: smell here? All right? Well on that node. This has 679 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: been best of both worlds and we will be back 680 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: next week with more on making work and life fit together. 681 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 682 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoebox on Instagram, 683 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 684 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 685 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 686 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 1: life work together