Speaker 1: You and Me Both is a production of I Heart Radio. Hi.
Speaker 1: I'm Hillary Clinton, and this is You and Me. Both.
Speaker 1: You and Me Both comes out every Tuesday, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to share this special bonus episode with you
Speaker 1: because today I'm talking to U S. Senator and Democratic
Speaker 1: nominee for Vice President, Kamala Harris. I first met Kamala
Speaker 1: back when she was running to be the d A
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I knew her over the years when
Speaker 1: she was d A, once she was Attorney General, and
Speaker 1: I got very close to her sister, Maya Harris, who
Speaker 1: was one of the senior advisors on my campaign. And
Speaker 1: of course I'm thrilled that she is on the ticket
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. I know a little something about the
Speaker 1: slings and arrows that have come her way in this role,
Speaker 1: because it's hard to be first, hard to be first anything.
Speaker 1: There's also, let's be honest, some sexism combined with racism.
Speaker 1: But one thing I know is that Kamala is tough
Speaker 1: and she can handle it all, and she will be
Speaker 1: a vice president for all the people of our country.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute delight to have her on the podcast. Hi, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: Welcome to my brand new podcast. I know this is
Speaker 1: so exciting. Well, I'm thrilled. I know how busy you are,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get right into it. I've been watching
Speaker 1: you out on the trail. I love the fact that
Speaker 1: you're out there and you're not only going to events,
Speaker 1: you're you know, dancing with bands. You're really having a
Speaker 1: good time, Kamala, and you know that's to me half
Speaker 1: the battle. You know, get out there and be that
Speaker 1: happy warrior that you've always been. I want to start by,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the experiences that led you to
Speaker 1: be where you are today. Obviously your experiences is in
Speaker 1: public service, in the public eye, but let's start before that.
Speaker 1: Tell me and tell our listeners about you know, your childhood,
Speaker 1: and especially your formidable mother. I love reading about her,
Speaker 1: but I want to hear about her directly from you. Well, first,
Speaker 1: let me say I'm just thrilled to be with you, Hillary,
Speaker 1: and thank you for everything you are, everything you do,
Speaker 1: everything about you inspires me in so many ways. I
Speaker 1: can't begin to describe. So thank you so my mother.
Speaker 1: I mean, let me start by saying that I've only
Speaker 1: known incredible and strong women like my whole life. There's
Speaker 1: like a whole collection of them who helped raise me.
Speaker 1: And as you have often said, a village does it right. Um.
Speaker 1: And so my mother, she was the eldest of my
Speaker 1: grandparents children, four children, and you know, she grew up
Speaker 1: at a time where she was expected to her accomplishments
Speaker 1: would be to get married and have children. But she
Speaker 1: wanted to study science and she wanted to cure cancer.
Speaker 1: You don't know, lack of ambition there, she convinced my
Speaker 1: grandfather that one of the best schools to learn was
Speaker 1: u C. Berkeley, Without my grandfather knowing, actually she applied
Speaker 1: and got accepted and then informed my grandfather that this
Speaker 1: had happened. And this was in the nineteen fifties, and
Speaker 1: he said to his daughter, who at the time was nineteen,
Speaker 1: if this is what you want to do, then I
Speaker 1: will not stand in your way. And so, having never
Speaker 1: been to the United States, my mother got on a
Speaker 1: plane at the age of nineteen by herself and arrived
Speaker 1: in Berkeley, California. And immediately, because of how she was
Speaker 1: raised and who she was, she just became attracted to
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement that was starting to really evolved
Speaker 1: in a very passionate way in Berkeley, and Oakland, California.
Speaker 1: And you know, my mother was all of five feet.
Speaker 1: I joked that if you ever met her, you would
Speaker 1: have thought she was, you know, seven ft tall, but
Speaker 1: she I don't actually don't know if she was exactly
Speaker 1: five feet. She stood on her toes. Oh yeah, she
Speaker 1: she But she had a huge presence and she raised us,
Speaker 1: my sister Maya and I. She raised us with you know,
Speaker 1: certain principles, and one was that it is your duty.
Speaker 1: You know, not you're not being charitable or benevolent, it
Speaker 1: is your duty to concern yourself with the condition of
Speaker 1: other people and to help them. And so it was
Speaker 1: never a debatable point. It was literally, you know, because
Speaker 1: duty is you know, for those of us who feel
Speaker 1: strongly about duty, it's not a choice. It is the
Speaker 1: price you pay, if you want to think of it
Speaker 1: as a price, but your responsibility for this place on
Speaker 1: earth that you occupy. You know, there's a great line
Speaker 1: from one of my mentors in life and work, marrying
Speaker 1: Wright Edelman, who always would say, services the rent you
Speaker 1: pay for being on this earth. Hand. I sense that
Speaker 1: from you talking about your mom and when you think
Speaker 1: about her being nineteen and the fifties, she lived through
Speaker 1: the big transition in India. She saw the impact of
Speaker 1: the non violent Gandhian movement, and so coming to Berkeley
Speaker 1: and being attracted to, you know, the civil rights movement
Speaker 1: would just be a continuation for her. There's so many
Speaker 1: stories I could tell about her that have influenced who
Speaker 1: I am. My mother was a fighter for women her
Speaker 1: entire life. Her specialty was breast cancer, and you know,
Speaker 1: before I was probably aware of it, I was hearing
Speaker 1: her passion for the importance of women receiving dignity and
Speaker 1: the health care system. And you know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: think now, Kamala, but your mother had to have been
Speaker 1: aware as she was doing her research into breast cancer
Speaker 1: that until the nineteen eighties, experiments for breast cancer were
Speaker 1: not even performed on women, And so she had to
Speaker 1: fight for the rights of the people that she was
Speaker 1: really advocating on behalf of Oh, it was profound. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget one night she came home May and I
Speaker 1: often we were what you call last key kids, right,
Speaker 1: We'd come home after school and my mother would come
Speaker 1: home hours later. But when we came home after school,
Speaker 1: they were always fresh baked cookies. Oh my, but we
Speaker 1: were never allowed to eat dinner until after Walter Cronkite.
Speaker 1: Pretty good rule, that's how it all worked. But I
Speaker 1: remember one night my mother came home and she was, oh, raging, match, raging,
Speaker 1: raging because you see, and to your point, a full
Speaker 1: mass ectomy had been performed on a woman and this person,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a doctor, I don't
Speaker 1: know who it was, but someone. Now this is gonna
Speaker 1: be very vivid. So this maybe should be the disclaimer
Speaker 1: for the audience. But on a metal tray, someone was
Speaker 1: just walking around with this woman's breast. My mother was
Speaker 1: raging mad because it gets to the point about the
Speaker 1: dignity of women, right, and what she said, Now, this
Speaker 1: is going to get even more vivid, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to give it, she said, do you think that they
Speaker 1: would have walked around with a man's you know what
Speaker 1: without at least giving it the dignity of putting something
Speaker 1: over it or doing right right. Oh, I love your mother.
Speaker 1: I love your mother. I mean, you know, I spent
Speaker 1: two years with your sister because MA was one of
Speaker 1: my you know, senior advisers, and you know I loved
Speaker 1: her and loved you. Now I love your mother and
Speaker 1: it's you know, all all part of the family. Do
Speaker 1: you think about how your mother mother you when you
Speaker 1: think about your your step kids, you think about Cole
Speaker 1: and Ella, you think about your nieces. Do you hear
Speaker 1: sometimes your voice sounding like your mother? Often? Often? I'm
Speaker 1: now at a point in my life where I have
Speaker 1: fully embraced the fact that I've become my mother. I'm
Speaker 1: not rejecting it. It's not surprising me any longer. It's
Speaker 1: just what has happened. Well, you certainly inherited her love
Speaker 1: of cooking. I have, and it really is one of
Speaker 1: my joys. And it's you know, in each of us
Speaker 1: has a way that we express our love for me.
Speaker 1: Cooking is one of those things. And I love cooking
Speaker 1: with the kids. Sunday family dinner. It's like Sunday family dinner.
Speaker 1: There's no question that's what happens. You know, whoever is
Speaker 1: in town comes over. You know, the kids help me cook,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, sometimes, depending on what's happening in
Speaker 1: my life, I'll start working on Sunday family dinner on Friday.
Speaker 1: You know. You also did tell me in a in
Speaker 1: a phone conversation recently you've been teaching your husband, Doug
Speaker 1: to cook, yes, so let's talk about that. So I
Speaker 1: remember our conversation just right after the pandemic hit, and
Speaker 1: I was ironing and folding during our conversation. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that, because we started having chores. And one of
Speaker 1: the things I realized about my husband that I had
Speaker 1: not realized before the pandemic hit is that clearly his
Speaker 1: mother never required him to clean his bedroom. So we
Speaker 1: had to have a little conversation about that, including me
Speaker 1: asking my mother in law why, And so then I realized,
Speaker 1: as much as I love to cook, cooking lunch and
Speaker 1: dinner seven days a week, it's a lot, right, And
Speaker 1: so I we just had a conversation. I was like, honey,
Speaker 1: I need you to We're gonna have to figure this out.
Speaker 1: So he pulled the straws Wednesday and Saturday that would
Speaker 1: be his days. And then he was trying different things
Speaker 1: because you know, he was trying to be kind of
Speaker 1: impressed me and be a bit ambitious. But it kind
Speaker 1: of reached ahead when he was making something in the
Speaker 1: cast iron skillet and we're in the apartment and the
Speaker 1: fire alarm just started raging. The smoke was just I
Speaker 1: could smell I started to smell it. I was I
Speaker 1: was reading my briefing book. I remember those days, and
Speaker 1: I started to smell it, and then I started to
Speaker 1: see it. And then there I am with my briefing
Speaker 1: book under the smoking detector, waving it back and forth, saying, Tom, Honey,
Speaker 1: turn off this stough and um. So we got to
Speaker 1: the point where now he agrees that he should just
Speaker 1: have three things that he perfects and does well and
Speaker 1: we don't need to experiment with anything else. I think
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. We'll be back right after this
Speaker 1: quick break. You know, during these pandemic days, you know,
Speaker 1: people are discovering all sorts of things about their family members.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think about you going to college,
Speaker 1: going to Howard, then going to law school. What was
Speaker 1: your first job out of law school? My first job
Speaker 1: out of law school was in the Alameda County District
Speaker 1: Attorney's office. And why did you decide to become an
Speaker 1: assistant district attorney? You know, I was born in Oaklan, California,
Speaker 1: which is at the heartbeat I think of Alameda County,
Speaker 1: which is a very large county. And you know, Hillary,
Speaker 1: there's not a black man, I know, be he a
Speaker 1: relative or a friend who has not been the subject
Speaker 1: of some form of racial profiling, unreasonable stop, or excessive force.
Speaker 1: And I grew up understanding the impact of law enforcement
Speaker 1: on the community in which I was raised, and I
Speaker 1: knew that it needed to be fixed. I experienced it.
Speaker 1: It was a lived experience, and I said to my family,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, why is it that we traditionally
Speaker 1: you know, when we want to change these systems were
Speaker 1: on the outside. Shouldn't we also try and go on
Speaker 1: the inside. And that's why I decided to could do
Speaker 1: And you know, one could say I decided to go
Speaker 1: up the rough side of the mountain, but and it
Speaker 1: was about saying, look from the inside, we can have
Speaker 1: an impact. And the impact was, you know, it was varied.
Speaker 1: The impact included that I specialized for a long time
Speaker 1: and child sexual assault cases that is so hard come alone.
Speaker 1: I mean, I did some cases. I ran a legal
Speaker 1: aid clinic. I was very active and legal services. I
Speaker 1: would be appointed to cases by judges and those cases
Speaker 1: were so difficult, and honestly, it's the worse of human
Speaker 1: behavior because you are talking about children and the vast
Speaker 1: majority of the cases we're talking about someone who's in
Speaker 1: a position of trust with that child, right, And for me,
Speaker 1: it was always about trying to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to make the point that everyone deserves dignity in the system,
Speaker 1: but also justice, and justice takes on many forms depending
Speaker 1: on the injustice. I for a long time, you know,
Speaker 1: worked on what we also needed to do around what
Speaker 1: I called sexually exploited youth, but the system called teenage prostitutes,
Speaker 1: which is that these girls mostly and boys would be
Speaker 1: arrested and put in juvenile hall. Meanwhile they're being trafficked,
Speaker 1: and we treat you know, John's and all of that
Speaker 1: as though, you know, it's not a big deal. And
Speaker 1: so I actually, during my years, you know, early years,
Speaker 1: created a safe house in California, in San Francisco, so
Speaker 1: that if these kids were picked up, that they would
Speaker 1: go to the safe house, not to juvenile hall, and
Speaker 1: they would be given support. And so many of them
Speaker 1: were runaways, often thrown out of their homes or fleeing
Speaker 1: abuse in their own home, right, exactly, all of that,
Speaker 1: and we're calling them teenage prostitutes, you know. So it
Speaker 1: was that work, it was the work of UM. I
Speaker 1: created one of the first environmental justice units of a
Speaker 1: d a's office in the country, because you know, I
Speaker 1: saw that the community that you will not be surprised,
Speaker 1: had a annual per capita income of families of fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand dollars was also the community where all the dumping
Speaker 1: was happening, right, And so taking on those polluters it
Speaker 1: was the work of of saying that we need to also,
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this more than many. I think that we
Speaker 1: have to incorporate the concept of redemption in what we
Speaker 1: do in the criminal justice system. And it's a the
Speaker 1: age old concept, right. It means essentially, you know, we
Speaker 1: all will make mistakes, and for some perhaps that rises
Speaker 1: to the level of being a crime. But it isn't
Speaker 1: it the sign of ad just in a civil society
Speaker 1: that we allow people a way back? And so I
Speaker 1: created one of the first reentry initiatives in the country,
Speaker 1: focused on predominantly young men who were arrested for drug
Speaker 1: sales and getting them jobs and counseling, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them were young fathers, and getting them parenting support
Speaker 1: and then dismissing the charges against them. But you know,
Speaker 1: these were challenging days. This was in the early two thousand's.
Speaker 1: People literally called my program a hug a thug program,
Speaker 1: but it ended up being a model and a model
Speaker 1: for the country. You were really ahead of your time
Speaker 1: in so many ways, both in Alameda County. Then when
Speaker 1: you went on to be the District Attorney for San Francisco,
Speaker 1: I think that's the first time I met you, and
Speaker 1: you brought the same level of you know, positive energy
Speaker 1: to what you wanted to see done in the d
Speaker 1: A office. And then obviously you went on to be
Speaker 1: elected statewide in California to be the Attorney General. And
Speaker 1: you know, you've always, in my observation, tried to be
Speaker 1: on the side of the underdog. You've always tried to
Speaker 1: literally stand up for the dignity. And with the story
Speaker 1: that you just told about your mother, I see the
Speaker 1: through line and I so much appreciate that. And in
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system, you're right, that's hard, and we've
Speaker 1: learned a lot of tough lessons. I mean, obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: there are bad guys and they've got to be punished,
Speaker 1: and you have to make sure that happens. But for
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people caught up in the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system, there other and better and more dignified ways
Speaker 1: to handle them. So when when you started your campaign
Speaker 1: for president. I remember you and I sat down in
Speaker 1: l a shortly before you made your decision. And now
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that you're the part he's vice presidential nominee.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you. And I think we've heard
Speaker 1: a little bit about you're getting the call from former
Speaker 1: Vice President Biden, but maybe you could take us behind
Speaker 1: the scenes about what happened when you did get the call. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'd all been hearing that he was close
Speaker 1: to making a decision, and you know, I've gone through
Speaker 1: a process, so I knew i was on the list.
Speaker 1: And then my team said, well, um, he's going to
Speaker 1: call you today. They set up a call. They'd like
Speaker 1: to set it up for today, So I said okay,
Speaker 1: And then shortly thereafter, my team said, he wants to
Speaker 1: do a zoom And you know how you have zoom days,
Speaker 1: and you have those days that are not I do
Speaker 1: and you know, presumed days you gotta do your hair.
Speaker 1: You got exactly exactly, It's like it's another two hours,
Speaker 1: it could be right, So and this particular day was
Speaker 1: not a zoom day. Couldn't we just do a call?
Speaker 1: You know, exactly exactly, and so I had to do
Speaker 1: some really quick, fancy footwork and and Doug was home
Speaker 1: because of course we're all working from home, and so
Speaker 1: we were pretty much non functional until you know, the
Speaker 1: the allotted time for the call, and so I went
Speaker 1: into our makeshift zoom room and Doug, I thought, was
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. So then I took the call. And
Speaker 1: you know, and you have to hand it to Joe
Speaker 1: and it's really it's it's part of what I love
Speaker 1: about his character and his nature. Immediately at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the call Hillary, he went right in there and said,
Speaker 1: let's do this together. You know, he didn't build up
Speaker 1: to it, he didn't create the tension in it. He didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, talk for a while and then say said,
Speaker 1: he literally just right away, and obviously I was deeply
Speaker 1: humbled and honored. And he got Jill on his cell phone.
Speaker 1: She was at an event and so then she was
Speaker 1: on speaker as he and I were on the zoom.
Speaker 1: And then she and Doug had bonded during the campaign
Speaker 1: during the primary. I love seeing them together. They're really
Speaker 1: they've been traveling together, they've been and um, and so
Speaker 1: she said, well, where is Doug and I, you know,
Speaker 1: shouted out his name, but of course Doug was actually
Speaker 1: airplanted on the other side of the door for him
Speaker 1: to come in. And he came in and we had
Speaker 1: the best conversation, just the four of us. And you know,
Speaker 1: immediately that thereafter started packing and went to Delaware. The
Speaker 1: next morning, we're taking a quick break stay with us.
Speaker 1: I love the scene of you know, Doug and Jill
Speaker 1: out there and you and Joe joined, They're having a
Speaker 1: good time. It just looked right. So you haven't a
Speaker 1: debate coming up on October seven where you're facing off
Speaker 1: against Vice President Mike Pence. How are you preparing? What's
Speaker 1: that feeling like? You know, it's some the difference between
Speaker 1: this debate and the debates and the primary are you know,
Speaker 1: many and in particular that then it was mostly about
Speaker 1: speaking up about my position on various issues as compared
Speaker 1: to my colleagues on the stage. This time it will
Speaker 1: be about, you know, requiring some level of knowledge, if
Speaker 1: not mastery, of Joe's record, the Vice President, Mike Pence's record,
Speaker 1: Trump's record, and then of course defending my own record.
Speaker 1: So that's different in terms of the process. But I
Speaker 1: guess the biggest thing, just to be candid with you
Speaker 1: is to be prepared for what is I think very
Speaker 1: likely to be a series of untruths. I think you
Speaker 1: should be prepared, Yes, I think you should also be
Speaker 1: prepared for the slights, the efforts to diminish you, um
Speaker 1: you personally, you as a woman who's about to be
Speaker 1: our next vice president. So I do think that there
Speaker 1: will be a lot of maneuvering the other side to
Speaker 1: try to put you in a box. It's on some
Speaker 1: levels surreal in terms of it all, and I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to be the fact checker. At the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how far he goes with whatever
Speaker 1: he does, you know he's gonna have to be accountable
Speaker 1: for what he says well, and you know he and
Speaker 1: Trump will say anything and assert anything like what a
Speaker 1: great job we did on the coronavirus, and you know
Speaker 1: people are sitting there going what is he talking about?
Speaker 1: But you will be well prepared and before I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly the timing, but I think even before the debate,
Speaker 1: you may have a chance to be on the Judiciary
Speaker 1: committee examining this latest nominee to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaker 1: So you are really in an unusual historic position, the
Speaker 1: candidate for vice president who's a sitting senator on the
Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee, questioning Judge me Cony Barrett. How does that,
Speaker 1: you know, feel to you? And do you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts about, you know, losing Ruth Bader Ginsburg and watching
Speaker 1: you know, this president and the Republicans under McConnell, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to force through a confirmation in the face of
Speaker 1: an election just weeks away. You know, I was seated
Speaker 1: while she layand state just you know, a few days ago,
Speaker 1: and it's something I know you knew her and your
Speaker 1: story and her story are very intertwined. I looked at
Speaker 1: that casket, Hillary, and you know, she was such as
Speaker 1: in size small, and I looked at that casket and
Speaker 1: there was, without any question and inverse relationship between her
Speaker 1: size and her stature. Oh that's great. That's a great way.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I and I just couldn't help but
Speaker 1: think about the life that she lived, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think it does a disservice to suggest us that
Speaker 1: she just gained popularity, you know, after the notorious RBG
Speaker 1: kind of moniker, because it was her whole life, her
Speaker 1: whole life, and she did what you and I know
Speaker 1: is required of lawyers who are fighting for civil rights.
Speaker 1: She built up a pathway for so many women, and
Speaker 1: she did it brick by brick, case by case. She
Speaker 1: had the patients and the foresight and the fortitude to
Speaker 1: build it up and see it through. That's exactly right, right,
Speaker 1: exactly what a life we lived. It was interesting. The rabbi,
Speaker 1: and speaking that day as she lay in state, said
Speaker 1: along the lines of she earned the right to rest
Speaker 1: in peace. Right. Well, you know, Bill and I went
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court to pay our respects there, and
Speaker 1: you know we had a lot of time to talk
Speaker 1: before we got there about the impact that she made.
Speaker 1: And your description is so on point, because when she
Speaker 1: started there was no guarantee. She saw wrongs that she
Speaker 1: wanted to help rectify, and she was in pursuit of
Speaker 1: justice and equality, plain and simple under the Constitution, and
Speaker 1: she wanted to make sure that under the fourteenth Amendment,
Speaker 1: disadvantage discrimination based on sex would also be part of
Speaker 1: the scrutiny that courts were supposed to give to any
Speaker 1: discrimination of any kind based on race. Right. And so
Speaker 1: when I think of her, I think of her as
Speaker 1: a mighty warrior, even though she was, as you rightly say,
Speaker 1: you know, a petite woman, but a woman with enormous
Speaker 1: energy and conviction that carried her through. You know, she's
Speaker 1: now well known for her dissents, which means that she
Speaker 1: lost a lot of important cases. But I remember her
Speaker 1: saying once that she'd hoped that her descents would serve
Speaker 1: as you know, a guiding light to future courts when
Speaker 1: they saw the injustice that had remained because of the
Speaker 1: majority opinion. So I really like the way you've described her.
Speaker 1: And I know you've got to get back on the
Speaker 1: campaign trail, so I can't keep you much longer, but
Speaker 1: you know, when you want to stay and talk to
Speaker 1: you forever, that would be fine with me. But I
Speaker 1: know what it's like to, you know, have nervous, nervous people,
Speaker 1: you know, standing there pacing, you know, their heart beating.
Speaker 1: Let's end on by wrapping up Justice Ginsburg and your journey.
Speaker 1: You know, she broke a lot of barriers for women,
Speaker 1: and we have a lot of barriers, as you know
Speaker 1: so well. You know that are are still before us.
Speaker 1: But I believe you're on the brink of putting you know,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest cracks in that glass ceiling. How
Speaker 1: does it feel for you, Kamala, Because I was thinking
Speaker 1: about Ruth Vader Ginsburg when she used to say, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the difference between an accountant in Brooklyn and the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice one generation? You know what's the difference
Speaker 1: between a committed young scientist and the next vice president
Speaker 1: one generation? Reflect on that for me, you know both
Speaker 1: the responsibility, but you know the pure joy of going
Speaker 1: where no one's gone before. I mean, you can speak
Speaker 1: volumes about this in terms of your personal experience, well sure,
Speaker 1: but it's building on it. It's like what you're saying
Speaker 1: with Ruth, It's like one brick at a time. And
Speaker 1: you know, my experience I think has you know, paved
Speaker 1: the way for others. Uh, And that any question, without
Speaker 1: any question. Your experience has paved the way for me
Speaker 1: and so many others without any question. But we have
Speaker 1: to keep going. Yeah, and you have to keep going.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that you do,
Speaker 1: among the many things, is you have always I will
Speaker 1: speak from myself, encouraged me and just been so supportive
Speaker 1: with advice, with just with warmth, and as you know,
Speaker 1: none of us achieve these these moments, and none of
Speaker 1: us achieve our success without people who believe in us.
Speaker 1: And so in that way, that's very humbling because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of folks who are part of this moment.
Speaker 1: There is that village. Yes, really it is, and it
Speaker 1: is it continues throughout your life. But I do also
Speaker 1: feel the weight of responsibility. You know, as my mother
Speaker 1: would say, you may be the first to do many things.
Speaker 1: Make sure you're not the last. I love that. Keep
Speaker 1: those doors open, I mean, and that's what you do. Hillary,
Speaker 1: You really do. You have earned the right to just
Speaker 1: say I'm done, have fun with it everyone. I've beautiful
Speaker 1: grand babies. I'm good. That's true, I do, and you
Speaker 1: keep giving and I just I can't not say that
Speaker 1: because it needs to be said, and I want to
Speaker 1: say it. It's it's among the many things that are
Speaker 1: very special about you. That is one of them. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, my friend, and I'm looking forward to the debate,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the Judiciary Committee, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to the rest of the campaign, and I am really
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing you stand up there and get
Speaker 1: sworn in as the next vice president of the United States.
Speaker 1: So thank you. For taking some time to join me
Speaker 1: on You and Me Both today and take good care
Speaker 1: of yourself. We really need you, my friend. Thank you, Hillary,
Speaker 1: It's great to be with you. Bye bye bye. You
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