1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: You and Me Both is a production of I Heart Radio. Hi. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm Hillary Clinton, and this is You and Me. Both. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: You and Me Both comes out every Tuesday, but I 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: couldn't wait to share this special bonus episode with you 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: because today I'm talking to U S. Senator and Democratic 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: nominee for Vice President, Kamala Harris. I first met Kamala 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: back when she was running to be the d A 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I knew her over the years when 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: she was d A, once she was Attorney General, and 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: I got very close to her sister, Maya Harris, who 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: was one of the senior advisors on my campaign. And 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: of course I'm thrilled that she is on the ticket 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. I know a little something about the 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: slings and arrows that have come her way in this role, 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: because it's hard to be first, hard to be first anything. 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: There's also, let's be honest, some sexism combined with racism. 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: But one thing I know is that Kamala is tough 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: and she can handle it all, and she will be 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: a vice president for all the people of our country. 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: It's an absolute delight to have her on the podcast. Hi, Hi, Hi, 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to my brand new podcast. I know this is 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: so exciting. Well, I'm thrilled. I know how busy you are, 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: so we're gonna get right into it. I've been watching 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: you out on the trail. I love the fact that 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: you're out there and you're not only going to events, 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: you're you know, dancing with bands. You're really having a 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: good time, Kamala, and you know that's to me half 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the battle. You know, get out there and be that 29 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: happy warrior that you've always been. I want to start by, 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, talking about the experiences that led you to 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: be where you are today. Obviously your experiences is in 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: public service, in the public eye, but let's start before that. 33 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Tell me and tell our listeners about you know, your childhood, 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: and especially your formidable mother. I love reading about her, 35 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: but I want to hear about her directly from you. Well, first, 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: let me say I'm just thrilled to be with you, Hillary, 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and thank you for everything you are, everything you do, 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: everything about you inspires me in so many ways. I 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: can't begin to describe. So thank you so my mother. 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, let me start by saying that I've only 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: known incredible and strong women like my whole life. There's 42 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: like a whole collection of them who helped raise me. 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: And as you have often said, a village does it right. Um. 44 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: And so my mother, she was the eldest of my 45 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: grandparents children, four children, and you know, she grew up 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: at a time where she was expected to her accomplishments 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: would be to get married and have children. But she 48 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: wanted to study science and she wanted to cure cancer. 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: You don't know, lack of ambition there, she convinced my 50 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: grandfather that one of the best schools to learn was 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: u C. Berkeley, Without my grandfather knowing, actually she applied 52 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: and got accepted and then informed my grandfather that this 53 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: had happened. And this was in the nineteen fifties, and 54 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: he said to his daughter, who at the time was nineteen, 55 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: if this is what you want to do, then I 56 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: will not stand in your way. And so, having never 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: been to the United States, my mother got on a 58 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: plane at the age of nineteen by herself and arrived 59 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: in Berkeley, California. And immediately, because of how she was 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: raised and who she was, she just became attracted to 61 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement that was starting to really evolved 62 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: in a very passionate way in Berkeley, and Oakland, California. 63 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: And you know, my mother was all of five feet. 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: I joked that if you ever met her, you would 65 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: have thought she was, you know, seven ft tall, but 66 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: she I don't actually don't know if she was exactly 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: five feet. She stood on her toes. Oh yeah, she 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: she But she had a huge presence and she raised us, 69 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: my sister Maya and I. She raised us with you know, 70 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: certain principles, and one was that it is your duty. 71 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: You know, not you're not being charitable or benevolent, it 72 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: is your duty to concern yourself with the condition of 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: other people and to help them. And so it was 74 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: never a debatable point. It was literally, you know, because 75 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: duty is you know, for those of us who feel 76 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: strongly about duty, it's not a choice. It is the 77 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: price you pay, if you want to think of it 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: as a price, but your responsibility for this place on 79 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: earth that you occupy. You know, there's a great line 80 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: from one of my mentors in life and work, marrying 81 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: Wright Edelman, who always would say, services the rent you 82 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: pay for being on this earth. Hand. I sense that 83 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: from you talking about your mom and when you think 84 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: about her being nineteen and the fifties, she lived through 85 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the big transition in India. She saw the impact of 86 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: the non violent Gandhian movement, and so coming to Berkeley 87 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: and being attracted to, you know, the civil rights movement 88 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: would just be a continuation for her. There's so many 89 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: stories I could tell about her that have influenced who 90 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: I am. My mother was a fighter for women her 91 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: entire life. Her specialty was breast cancer, and you know, 92 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: before I was probably aware of it, I was hearing 93 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: her passion for the importance of women receiving dignity and 94 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: the health care system. And you know, it's hard to 95 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: think now, Kamala, but your mother had to have been 96 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: aware as she was doing her research into breast cancer 97 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: that until the nineteen eighties, experiments for breast cancer were 98 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: not even performed on women, And so she had to 99 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: fight for the rights of the people that she was 100 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: really advocating on behalf of Oh, it was profound. I'll 101 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: never forget one night she came home May and I 102 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: often we were what you call last key kids, right, 103 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: We'd come home after school and my mother would come 104 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: home hours later. But when we came home after school, 105 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: they were always fresh baked cookies. Oh my, but we 106 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: were never allowed to eat dinner until after Walter Cronkite. 107 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: Pretty good rule, that's how it all worked. But I 108 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: remember one night my mother came home and she was, oh, raging, match, raging, 109 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: raging because you see, and to your point, a full 110 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: mass ectomy had been performed on a woman and this person, 111 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a doctor, I don't 112 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: know who it was, but someone. Now this is gonna 113 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: be very vivid. So this maybe should be the disclaimer 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: for the audience. But on a metal tray, someone was 115 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: just walking around with this woman's breast. My mother was 116 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: raging mad because it gets to the point about the 117 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: dignity of women, right, and what she said, Now, this 118 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: is going to get even more vivid, but I'm going 119 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: to give it, she said, do you think that they 120 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: would have walked around with a man's you know what 121 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: without at least giving it the dignity of putting something 122 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: over it or doing right right. Oh, I love your mother. 123 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: I love your mother. I mean, you know, I spent 124 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: two years with your sister because MA was one of 125 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: my you know, senior advisers, and you know I loved 126 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: her and loved you. Now I love your mother and 127 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: it's you know, all all part of the family. Do 128 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: you think about how your mother mother you when you 129 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: think about your your step kids, you think about Cole 130 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: and Ella, you think about your nieces. Do you hear 131 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: sometimes your voice sounding like your mother? Often? Often? I'm 132 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: now at a point in my life where I have 133 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: fully embraced the fact that I've become my mother. I'm 134 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: not rejecting it. It's not surprising me any longer. It's 135 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: just what has happened. Well, you certainly inherited her love 136 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: of cooking. I have, and it really is one of 137 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: my joys. And it's you know, in each of us 138 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: has a way that we express our love for me. 139 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: Cooking is one of those things. And I love cooking 140 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: with the kids. Sunday family dinner. It's like Sunday family dinner. 141 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: There's no question that's what happens. You know, whoever is 142 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: in town comes over. You know, the kids help me cook, 143 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: and it's you know, sometimes, depending on what's happening in 144 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: my life, I'll start working on Sunday family dinner on Friday. 145 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: You know. You also did tell me in a in 146 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: a phone conversation recently you've been teaching your husband, Doug 147 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: to cook, yes, so let's talk about that. So I 148 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: remember our conversation just right after the pandemic hit, and 149 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: I was ironing and folding during our conversation. I'll never 150 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: forget that, because we started having chores. And one of 151 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: the things I realized about my husband that I had 152 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: not realized before the pandemic hit is that clearly his 153 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: mother never required him to clean his bedroom. So we 154 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: had to have a little conversation about that, including me 155 00:09:53,480 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: asking my mother in law why, And so then I realized, 156 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: as much as I love to cook, cooking lunch and 157 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: dinner seven days a week, it's a lot, right, And 158 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: so I we just had a conversation. I was like, honey, 159 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I need you to We're gonna have to figure this out. 160 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: So he pulled the straws Wednesday and Saturday that would 161 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: be his days. And then he was trying different things 162 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: because you know, he was trying to be kind of 163 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: impressed me and be a bit ambitious. But it kind 164 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: of reached ahead when he was making something in the 165 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: cast iron skillet and we're in the apartment and the 166 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: fire alarm just started raging. The smoke was just I 167 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: could smell I started to smell it. I was I 168 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: was reading my briefing book. I remember those days, and 169 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I started to smell it, and then I started to 170 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: see it. And then there I am with my briefing 171 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: book under the smoking detector, waving it back and forth, saying, Tom, Honey, 172 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: turn off this stough and um. So we got to 173 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: the point where now he agrees that he should just 174 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: have three things that he perfects and does well and 175 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: we don't need to experiment with anything else. I think 176 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. We'll be back right after this 177 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: quick break. You know, during these pandemic days, you know, 178 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: people are discovering all sorts of things about their family members. 179 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I think about you going to college, 180 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: going to Howard, then going to law school. What was 181 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: your first job out of law school? My first job 182 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: out of law school was in the Alameda County District 183 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: Attorney's office. And why did you decide to become an 184 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: assistant district attorney? You know, I was born in Oaklan, California, 185 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: which is at the heartbeat I think of Alameda County, 186 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: which is a very large county. And you know, Hillary, 187 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: there's not a black man, I know, be he a 188 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: relative or a friend who has not been the subject 189 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: of some form of racial profiling, unreasonable stop, or excessive force. 190 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: And I grew up understanding the impact of law enforcement 191 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: on the community in which I was raised, and I 192 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: knew that it needed to be fixed. I experienced it. 193 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: It was a lived experience, and I said to my family, 194 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I said, you know, why is it that we traditionally 195 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, when we want to change these systems were 196 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: on the outside. Shouldn't we also try and go on 197 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: the inside. And that's why I decided to could do 198 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: And you know, one could say I decided to go 199 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: up the rough side of the mountain, but and it 200 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: was about saying, look from the inside, we can have 201 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: an impact. And the impact was, you know, it was varied. 202 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: The impact included that I specialized for a long time 203 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: and child sexual assault cases that is so hard come alone. 204 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I did some cases. I ran a legal 205 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: aid clinic. I was very active and legal services. I 206 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: would be appointed to cases by judges and those cases 207 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: were so difficult, and honestly, it's the worse of human 208 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: behavior because you are talking about children and the vast 209 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: majority of the cases we're talking about someone who's in 210 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: a position of trust with that child, right, And for me, 211 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: it was always about trying to figure out a way 212 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: to make the point that everyone deserves dignity in the system, 213 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: but also justice, and justice takes on many forms depending 214 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: on the injustice. I for a long time, you know, 215 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: worked on what we also needed to do around what 216 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: I called sexually exploited youth, but the system called teenage prostitutes, 217 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: which is that these girls mostly and boys would be 218 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,239 Speaker 1: arrested and put in juvenile hall. Meanwhile they're being trafficked, 219 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: and we treat you know, John's and all of that 220 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: as though, you know, it's not a big deal. And 221 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: so I actually, during my years, you know, early years, 222 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: created a safe house in California, in San Francisco, so 223 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: that if these kids were picked up, that they would 224 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: go to the safe house, not to juvenile hall, and 225 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: they would be given support. And so many of them 226 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: were runaways, often thrown out of their homes or fleeing 227 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: abuse in their own home, right, exactly, all of that, 228 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: and we're calling them teenage prostitutes, you know. So it 229 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: was that work, it was the work of UM. I 230 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: created one of the first environmental justice units of a 231 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: d a's office in the country, because you know, I 232 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: saw that the community that you will not be surprised, 233 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: had a annual per capita income of families of fifteen 234 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars was also the community where all the dumping 235 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: was happening, right, And so taking on those polluters it 236 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: was the work of of saying that we need to also, 237 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this more than many. I think that we 238 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: have to incorporate the concept of redemption in what we 239 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: do in the criminal justice system. And it's a the 240 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: age old concept, right. It means essentially, you know, we 241 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: all will make mistakes, and for some perhaps that rises 242 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: to the level of being a crime. But it isn't 243 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: it the sign of ad just in a civil society 244 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: that we allow people a way back? And so I 245 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: created one of the first reentry initiatives in the country, 246 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: focused on predominantly young men who were arrested for drug 247 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: sales and getting them jobs and counseling, and a lot 248 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: of them were young fathers, and getting them parenting support 249 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and then dismissing the charges against them. But you know, 250 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: these were challenging days. This was in the early two thousand's. 251 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: People literally called my program a hug a thug program, 252 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: but it ended up being a model and a model 253 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: for the country. You were really ahead of your time 254 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: in so many ways, both in Alameda County. Then when 255 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: you went on to be the District Attorney for San Francisco, 256 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: I think that's the first time I met you, and 257 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: you brought the same level of you know, positive energy 258 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: to what you wanted to see done in the d 259 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: A office. And then obviously you went on to be 260 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: elected statewide in California to be the Attorney General. And 261 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, you've always, in my observation, tried to be 262 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: on the side of the underdog. You've always tried to 263 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: literally stand up for the dignity. And with the story 264 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: that you just told about your mother, I see the 265 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: through line and I so much appreciate that. And in 266 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system, you're right, that's hard, and we've 267 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: learned a lot of tough lessons. I mean, obviously, you know, 268 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: there are bad guys and they've got to be punished, 269 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: and you have to make sure that happens. But for 270 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: the vast majority of people caught up in the criminal 271 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: justice system, there other and better and more dignified ways 272 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: to handle them. So when when you started your campaign 273 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: for president. I remember you and I sat down in 274 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: l a shortly before you made your decision. And now 275 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that you're the part he's vice presidential nominee. 276 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you. And I think we've heard 277 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about you're getting the call from former 278 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Vice President Biden, but maybe you could take us behind 279 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: the scenes about what happened when you did get the call. Well, 280 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, we'd all been hearing that he was close 281 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: to making a decision, and you know, I've gone through 282 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: a process, so I knew i was on the list. 283 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: And then my team said, well, um, he's going to 284 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: call you today. They set up a call. They'd like 285 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: to set it up for today, So I said okay, 286 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: And then shortly thereafter, my team said, he wants to 287 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: do a zoom And you know how you have zoom days, 288 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: and you have those days that are not I do 289 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: and you know, presumed days you gotta do your hair. 290 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: You got exactly exactly, It's like it's another two hours, 291 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: it could be right, So and this particular day was 292 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: not a zoom day. Couldn't we just do a call? 293 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, exactly exactly, and so I had to do 294 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: some really quick, fancy footwork and and Doug was home 295 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: because of course we're all working from home, and so 296 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: we were pretty much non functional until you know, the 297 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: the allotted time for the call, and so I went 298 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: into our makeshift zoom room and Doug, I thought, was 299 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: in the kitchen. So then I took the call. And 300 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you have to hand it to Joe 301 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: and it's really it's it's part of what I love 302 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: about his character and his nature. Immediately at the beginning 303 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: of the call Hillary, he went right in there and said, 304 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: let's do this together. You know, he didn't build up 305 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: to it, he didn't create the tension in it. He didn't, 306 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, talk for a while and then say said, 307 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: he literally just right away, and obviously I was deeply 308 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: humbled and honored. And he got Jill on his cell phone. 309 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: She was at an event and so then she was 310 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: on speaker as he and I were on the zoom. 311 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: And then she and Doug had bonded during the campaign 312 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: during the primary. I love seeing them together. They're really 313 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: they've been traveling together, they've been and um, and so 314 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: she said, well, where is Doug and I, you know, 315 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: shouted out his name, but of course Doug was actually 316 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: airplanted on the other side of the door for him 317 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: to come in. And he came in and we had 318 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: the best conversation, just the four of us. And you know, 319 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: immediately that thereafter started packing and went to Delaware. The 320 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: next morning, we're taking a quick break stay with us. 321 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: I love the scene of you know, Doug and Jill 322 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: out there and you and Joe joined, They're having a 323 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: good time. It just looked right. So you haven't a 324 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: debate coming up on October seven where you're facing off 325 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: against Vice President Mike Pence. How are you preparing? What's 326 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: that feeling like? You know, it's some the difference between 327 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: this debate and the debates and the primary are you know, 328 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: many and in particular that then it was mostly about 329 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: speaking up about my position on various issues as compared 330 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: to my colleagues on the stage. This time it will 331 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: be about, you know, requiring some level of knowledge, if 332 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: not mastery, of Joe's record, the Vice President, Mike Pence's record, 333 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Trump's record, and then of course defending my own record. 334 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: So that's different in terms of the process. But I 335 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: guess the biggest thing, just to be candid with you 336 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: is to be prepared for what is I think very 337 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: likely to be a series of untruths. I think you 338 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: should be prepared, Yes, I think you should also be 339 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: prepared for the slights, the efforts to diminish you, um 340 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: you personally, you as a woman who's about to be 341 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: our next vice president. So I do think that there 342 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: will be a lot of maneuvering the other side to 343 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: try to put you in a box. It's on some 344 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: levels surreal in terms of it all, and I don't 345 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: necessarily want to be the fact checker. At the same time, 346 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, depending on how far he goes with whatever 347 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: he does, you know he's gonna have to be accountable 348 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: for what he says well, and you know he and 349 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: Trump will say anything and assert anything like what a 350 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: great job we did on the coronavirus, and you know 351 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: people are sitting there going what is he talking about? 352 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: But you will be well prepared and before I don't 353 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: know exactly the timing, but I think even before the debate, 354 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: you may have a chance to be on the Judiciary 355 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: committee examining this latest nominee to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg. 356 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: So you are really in an unusual historic position, the 357 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: candidate for vice president who's a sitting senator on the 358 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee, questioning Judge me Cony Barrett. How does that, 359 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, feel to you? And do you have any 360 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: thoughts about, you know, losing Ruth Bader Ginsburg and watching 361 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, this president and the Republicans under McConnell, you know, 362 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: trying to force through a confirmation in the face of 363 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: an election just weeks away. You know, I was seated 364 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: while she layand state just you know, a few days ago, 365 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: and it's something I know you knew her and your 366 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: story and her story are very intertwined. I looked at 367 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: that casket, Hillary, and you know, she was such as 368 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: in size small, and I looked at that casket and 369 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: there was, without any question and inverse relationship between her 370 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: size and her stature. Oh that's great. That's a great way. 371 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and I and I just couldn't help but 372 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: think about the life that she lived, and you know, 373 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: I think it does a disservice to suggest us that 374 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: she just gained popularity, you know, after the notorious RBG 375 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: kind of moniker, because it was her whole life, her 376 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: whole life, and she did what you and I know 377 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: is required of lawyers who are fighting for civil rights. 378 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: She built up a pathway for so many women, and 379 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: she did it brick by brick, case by case. She 380 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: had the patients and the foresight and the fortitude to 381 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: build it up and see it through. That's exactly right, right, 382 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: exactly what a life we lived. It was interesting. The rabbi, 383 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: and speaking that day as she lay in state, said 384 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: along the lines of she earned the right to rest 385 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: in peace. Right. Well, you know, Bill and I went 386 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court to pay our respects there, and 387 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: you know we had a lot of time to talk 388 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: before we got there about the impact that she made. 389 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: And your description is so on point, because when she 390 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: started there was no guarantee. She saw wrongs that she 391 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: wanted to help rectify, and she was in pursuit of 392 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: justice and equality, plain and simple under the Constitution, and 393 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: she wanted to make sure that under the fourteenth Amendment, 394 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: disadvantage discrimination based on sex would also be part of 395 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: the scrutiny that courts were supposed to give to any 396 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: discrimination of any kind based on race. Right. And so 397 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: when I think of her, I think of her as 398 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: a mighty warrior, even though she was, as you rightly say, 399 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, a petite woman, but a woman with enormous 400 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: energy and conviction that carried her through. You know, she's 401 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: now well known for her dissents, which means that she 402 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: lost a lot of important cases. But I remember her 403 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: saying once that she'd hoped that her descents would serve 404 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: as you know, a guiding light to future courts when 405 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: they saw the injustice that had remained because of the 406 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: majority opinion. So I really like the way you've described her. 407 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: And I know you've got to get back on the 408 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: campaign trail, so I can't keep you much longer, but 409 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: you know, when you want to stay and talk to 410 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: you forever, that would be fine with me. But I 411 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: know what it's like to, you know, have nervous, nervous people, 412 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, standing there pacing, you know, their heart beating. 413 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Let's end on by wrapping up Justice Ginsburg and your journey. 414 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, she broke a lot of barriers for women, 415 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: and we have a lot of barriers, as you know 416 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: so well. You know that are are still before us. 417 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: But I believe you're on the brink of putting you know, 418 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: one of the biggest cracks in that glass ceiling. How 419 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: does it feel for you, Kamala, Because I was thinking 420 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: about Ruth Vader Ginsburg when she used to say, you know, 421 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: what's the difference between an accountant in Brooklyn and the 422 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice one generation? You know what's the difference 423 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: between a committed young scientist and the next vice president 424 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: one generation? Reflect on that for me, you know both 425 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: the responsibility, but you know the pure joy of going 426 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: where no one's gone before. I mean, you can speak 427 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: volumes about this in terms of your personal experience, well sure, 428 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: but it's building on it. It's like what you're saying 429 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: with Ruth, It's like one brick at a time. And 430 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, my experience I think has you know, paved 431 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: the way for others. Uh, And that any question, without 432 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: any question. Your experience has paved the way for me 433 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: and so many others without any question. But we have 434 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: to keep going. Yeah, and you have to keep going. 435 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,479 Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that you do, 436 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: among the many things, is you have always I will 437 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: speak from myself, encouraged me and just been so supportive 438 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: with advice, with just with warmth, and as you know, 439 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: none of us achieve these these moments, and none of 440 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: us achieve our success without people who believe in us. 441 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: And so in that way, that's very humbling because there 442 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of folks who are part of this moment. 443 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: There is that village. Yes, really it is, and it 444 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: is it continues throughout your life. But I do also 445 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: feel the weight of responsibility. You know, as my mother 446 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: would say, you may be the first to do many things. 447 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: Make sure you're not the last. I love that. Keep 448 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: those doors open, I mean, and that's what you do. Hillary, 449 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: You really do. You have earned the right to just 450 00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: say I'm done, have fun with it everyone. I've beautiful 451 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: grand babies. I'm good. That's true, I do, and you 452 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: keep giving and I just I can't not say that 453 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: because it needs to be said, and I want to 454 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: say it. It's it's among the many things that are 455 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: very special about you. That is one of them. Well, 456 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: thank you, my friend, and I'm looking forward to the debate, 457 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the Judiciary Committee, I'm looking forward 458 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: to the rest of the campaign, and I am really 459 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing you stand up there and get 460 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: sworn in as the next vice president of the United States. 461 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: So thank you. For taking some time to join me 462 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: on You and Me Both today and take good care 463 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: of yourself. We really need you, my friend. 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