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Speaker 1: be very exciting. Uh. He's written songs like Somewhere with

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Speaker 1: You by Kenny Chesney, Alone with You by Jake O,

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Speaker 1: Dirk Spentley like, he's got so many He's got a

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Speaker 1: book out called Party Like a rock Star. They're crazy, coincidental,

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Speaker 1: hard luck and harmonious life of a Songwriter. It came

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Speaker 1: out this year and again he talks about he is

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Speaker 1: later on they reconciled and it's just a really great podcast.

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Speaker 1: I hope you like it. J T. Harding, I hope

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Speaker 1: you check out his book. And you know he talked

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Speaker 1: for someone else who was adopted, you know, and you

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy Episode three. JT. Hardy all right, here

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Speaker 1: you go. You guys do not waste time and rule.

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Speaker 1: It's not that we don't waste time, it's that we

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Speaker 1: don't want anything to go to waste. So and you see,

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Speaker 1: we're on now. And what JT is talking about is

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Speaker 1: I walk. And by the way, I applaud you for

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Speaker 1: being early. That's awesome. Most creatives aren't. Yeah, well I

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Speaker 1: you know, so I don't go to bed as early

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Speaker 1: as you. So what do you do yesterday? What do

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Speaker 1: evening everybody. For those of you that don't know me,

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Speaker 1: this is hit songwriter J T. Harding. Hello, country fans worldwide,

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Speaker 1: wide wide. If you're in your car, hank your horn.

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Speaker 1: If you're at work, drum on your desk, and if

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Speaker 1: party drones. Turn up your phones. This is the Bobcast

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Speaker 1: with Bobby Bones. All right, you were made for like

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Speaker 1: more n Zoo Radio. That's that's when I was born.

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Speaker 1: I was kidding, do not adjust your computers at home.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually dressed like this. Hey, thanks for asking. I

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Speaker 1: just played two Bluebird Cafe shows. It's sundance. It's not

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Speaker 1: I played but Tom Douglas and it was magical a

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Speaker 1: at McDonald's on Broadway has been broken. People, What do

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00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 1: you mean they never called you again? They invented ghosting.

425
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 1: I never heard from him that the record was shelved. Yes,

426
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 1: and and you know, you would think that that eight

427
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 1: grand would make me feel better, but it wouldn't. But

428
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: do you mind if I continue? I was worn out.

429
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: I'd been in l A for five years chasing my dream.

430
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: I decided to take a break and recharge. I get

431
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 1: a job working for the Superstar band Lincoln Park. This

432
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 1: is all true. About six months. Six guys in the

433
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 1: band really great, very low maintenance. I would not talk

434
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 1: about my music, but they would see me working on

435
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 1: my song sometimes and then I would put the guitar

436
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 1: down one night, I'll never for get it. In Kansas City,

437
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: sold out, they asked me to open up for them.

438
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 1: What were you doing for them? Um? Getting? Uh? Their

439
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,679
Speaker 1: stage closed washed which were pretty much their street clothes.

440
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: That's a great question. They would have food after the show.

441
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: I would make sure to order it. Always check the

442
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 1: food as it's delivered, because you don't want them food

443
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 1: to be wrong, and putting out magic markers for their

444
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 1: for their autograph sessions. They were very low maintenance and

445
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: they couldn't have been nicer. So one night in Kansas City,

446
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 1: they said, you want to open up for us? I said,

447
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 1: you bet you I do. I mean it was like

448
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: it was like a like a like a bachelor walking

449
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: to his wedding, So check it out. I think the

450
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 1: opening band was Slipknot and then Lincoln Park. I went

451
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 1: on in between them with my acoustic guitar. Now listen

452
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: to anyone out there, if you ever get the chance

453
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: to stand on stage and like Bobby has, in front

454
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: of thirty thousand people holding a guitar, the spotlight on

455
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: you and hearing every one of them go you suck,

456
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: you suck. It gives you a chill, doesn't it. They

457
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 1: were booing so loud you couldn't even hear anything but

458
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: Lincoln Park it asked me to stay out there, so

459
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 1: I was or asked me to be out there, so

460
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna stay out here. So I finally said,

461
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: all right, Kansas City. I hang out a second Kansas

462
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: City they're doing, does anyone out here like Ozzy Osbourne?

463
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 1: And there was like a little bit of a rumble,

464
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: and I said, well, here's some Joan Osborne. What if

465
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: God was anything not tied down was thrown at me, bottles, lighters, coins.

466
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: I got struck in the head with a coin and

467
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 1: I was bleeding from the head and the audience starts

468
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: roaring like a jet engine starting, and I'm thinking I'm

469
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: winning him over because I'm about to die out here.

470
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: Little did I know Chester Bennington, the superstar lead singer,

471
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: had come out on stage to rescue me, and bless

472
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: his heart, he's he's passed away now. He takes me

473
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: off stage. The next day in the newspaper, there's a

474
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: picture of Chester and I his arms around me. I'm

475
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: bleeding from the head or on stage. It's above the review.

476
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: That picture is actually in my book, and the little

477
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: paragraph says the opening act was a one man band.

478
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: Despite bleeding from the head, his name is J. T. Harding.

479
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: Despite bleeding from the head, he finished a two song

480
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: promising set, and believe it or not, there was some

481
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: kid in the audience got one of my long lost demos.

482
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: By the tour of US. I don't even really remember

483
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: handing him out his His His dad called someone and they

484
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: called someone in Nashville and they said, we saw this

485
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: guy JT. You gotta you gotta call him up. And

486
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: that's how I got my deal in Nashville. Can you

487
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: imagine that? So failed record deals getting kicked out of

488
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: record companies. Booed off stage in front of Lincoln Park,

489
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: and little did I know, the universe was like leading

490
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: me here, and I'm very grateful to be here. I

491
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: guess my question, if we take a half step back

492
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: about your experience with Lincoln Park is why do they

493
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: put you in the direct support spot and not the

494
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 1: opening spot if you're only a guitar. I don't know.

495
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a joke. They forgot someone forgot to

496
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: introduce me. So the crowd things Lincoln Park's gonna come on,

497
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm standing there. It was like thirty thousand

498
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown faces just morphing. I don't think anyone thought

499
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: it was gonna go so bad. And the roadies came

500
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: out and they had those big brooms like janitors have

501
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: at high school and there were so many coins, hundreds

502
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: of coins, and they said j T made a fortune tonight.

503
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really thankful I didn't get, you know,

504
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: my eye knocked out or something. But they couldn't have

505
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: been nicer. You know, if you're born in South Detroit,

506
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: South Detroit, which is actually Canada, I've heard, but yeah, no,

507
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm American yet. So and we're on in the Canadian

508
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: version of Detroit, which that town is, That's right. So

509
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: we're on a windsor so we cross over into camp

510
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 1: into Detroit. But I would imagine being from South Detroit.

511
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you hate that? Don't stop believing the Journey song

512
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: because that's Detroit. I almost just sang it, you know.

513
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't because as a kid, I loved music so

514
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: much and I still put it on such a pedestal.

515
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that Journey knew what Detroit was. So

516
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: I just I've always loved it, you know. And even

517
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: there's a bon Jovie song that wasn't a hit, and

518
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: at the very end of it, he goes Detroit and

519
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, he knows that we're here,

520
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, So I actually, um sorry to watch your

521
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: feet started a name drop. I actually wrote with John

522
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: bon Jovin and he said, you're from Detroit, he said,

523
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: before I had a record deal. I got in my

524
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: car and I drove all night to Detroit to the

525
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: Motown Museum. It was closed, so I stood up. It's

526
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: like a little house, he said. I put my hands

527
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: around my eyes and looked in the glass, just to

528
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 1: feel all the vibes of the place. Got back in

529
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: my car and drove back to New Jersey. I was

530
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: just like, Wow, I didn't expect to tell that story,

531
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: but you reminded me of it. Also, please name drop.

532
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: That makes the podcast that much better place. Name drop

533
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: all you possibly can. Chris Jansen, are you gonna take

534
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: a drunk girl home or fix a drink? You're confusing

535
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: us and Winnebago World. Thank you? Are you going to?

536
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: And I know in your book you talked about your father.

537
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: You know in my book I spent talking about my

538
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: dad bailing on me. Didn't know him until and then

539
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: my second book actually went back and met him like

540
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: there was a big goal of mine. It was. I

541
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: haven't read that yet, but that's incredible. No need, I'll

542
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: tell you the story now. I didn't. I didn't know him.

543
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: I couldn't write a book about having to face a

544
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: fear or face failure without having to do what scared

545
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: me the most, which is going to be my biological father.

546
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: I did, and you know we aren't close now by

547
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: any means it. He wasn't a villain to me anymore.

548
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: But I had to write that. So I'd like a

549
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: lot of this bubbling up again that I had been

550
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: through and had repressed for years and years, and then

551
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: when I went mad him too, was it crazy? So

552
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: the story about your dad is interesting. Tell these guys here,

553
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: what what's up with your dad? All right? It's funny

554
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: to say bubbling up because I'm not joking. This doesn't

555
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: usually happen. So I was adopted as a child, and

556
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: it's starting to bubble up. So I wouldn't trade that

557
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: for anything in the world. I was. I was saved,

558
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: and uh, you're gonna love this. So my my my

559
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: birth certificate is an apology from a condom company. It's

560
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: framed next to my Sangrea album. You love that. Bobby's

561
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: laughing people, This is all true. My biological father was

562
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: trying to break into radio right out of college and

563
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: he had a late night radio shift. Don't worry, Bobby,

564
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: it's not you. He had a late night radio shift,

565
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: and these sorority girls were calling up requesting songs late

566
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: at night, and they sounded one of them sounded fun

567
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: and flirtatious. So they kept calling each other and he

568
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: would play your songs over the radio. And they met,

569
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 1: and speaking of Olivia, let's get physical. They ended up

570
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: having me, and but they couldn't take care of me,

571
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: so they gave me up for adoption. And I found

572
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: out all this all these years later. Um, that was

573
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: the story. And I met my biological fathers. Is what

574
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: you want me to go? Yeah? And so basically my

575
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: biological mother was looking for me forever and I have

576
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: parents the Herdings. I wouldn't trade him for the world.

577
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: And she said, hey, after a few months, we're talking

578
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: on the phone. She said, I want to tell you

579
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: who your biological father is. And I said, oh, and

580
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: I knew she was serious. She said he's not like

581
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: other people and that I didn't know what that meant.

582
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: You're all probably thinking what does that mean? You know,

583
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: just being sincere, that could mean anything, And she said, um,

584
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: he's an actor. I said, he's an actor. I was

585
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: living in l A already, and she said, yeah, he

586
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: started on the show Cheers, and my brain like the

587
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: terminator looking for a human. I was scanning the cast

588
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: of Cheers. I had three roommates at the time living

589
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: in that dump and I yelled at them, my biological

590
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: father is Ted Danson. I'm rich. It's done, it's done,

591
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: And she said no, No, his name is Jay Thomas.

592
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: Now I know a lot of you out there. They're younger,

593
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: probably scratching your heads. But he was on Cheers, Uh

594
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: Mork and Mindy Murphy Brown. But at the time he

595
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: was a giant DJ in l A, one block from

596
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: my apartment, on the side of a building, and he

597
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of trouble as a DJ. Yeah, he

598
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: would have loved you. There was his head on the

599
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: body of a woman and it said we apologize for

600
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: Jay Thomas, one block from my apartment. It's such a

601
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: bad movie. I'm surprised Jay didn't starting it. So I

602
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: had heckled him at a movie premiere. I tried to

603
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: sneak into I listened to him on the radio. He

604
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: had come into Tower Records. My biological father. Can you imagine?

605
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: But we met and it was great. He was married

606
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: to an incredible lady named Sally. He has two incredible

607
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: boys that are my best friends now, and it was fantastic.

608
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: We were like wild long lost fraternity brothers. I mean,

609
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: he was, he was wild. So before he passed, you

610
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: guys were good. Yeah, really really good, really good. I'm

611
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: a massive Jay Thomas fan. That's incredible, And you want

612
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: to you know why I was bubbling up unexpectedly. I

613
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: just I didn't expect it. It's his birthday today and

614
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: none of this was planned out. And here I am

615
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, so you know you're justin timber Lake

616
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: video shoot that that really wasn't happening that you advertised.

617
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: So he did that as well. Forgive me, ladies. He's

618
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: set on the air, We're gonna give away We're gonna

619
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: pay for somebody's breast implants, and so many women showed

620
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: up when they found out it was a joke. He

621
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: almost got killed and then the station got sued and

622
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: there's like video of him on YouTube on the news

623
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: apologizing to all. I mean, it was awful. Wow, you

624
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: find out that your dad is somebody that you already know,

625
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: you don't know, but you know, and somebody that's famous

626
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: and in the same town. I mean, is that a

627
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: lot of therapy? Uh? Not so much over that. I

628
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: mean I've been to to a therapist, but more, but

629
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: not over that. No, because I love my parents so much.

630
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for anything. And I mean my mom

631
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: wrote him a letter and said, boy, this explains a

632
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: lot because my fami, my family are real sports you know,

633
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: a big sports family, and they're like, man, this kid's

634
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: like hair spraying his hair up and jumping. Aren't doing

635
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: cart wheels in front of MTV and trying to be

636
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: real silly. That's interesting too. It goes to nature and nurture. Yes,

637
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: meaning as much as a sports family as you have,

638
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: you still had some of your biological father you without

639
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: even yes, massive massive fan and not and more so

640
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: the stage work and the radio stuff because even when

641
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 1: he went on serious after I had listen to him

642
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: all the time, every day. It's incredible. I didn't know

643
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: that it's incredible, and I wasn't dodging the question. If

644
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: you want to know, this is very healthy. I had

645
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: a brother that passed away, so not too long ago

646
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: I went, I'd never talked about it, and it was

647
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: so your book was so honest. I mean I read

648
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: your book like a year ago, and um, when I

649
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: was finishing my book, I was like, this is such

650
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: a big chapter in my life that I'm omitting, so

651
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I put it in there. So I went and talked

652
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: to somebody I didn't know. I was so uncomfortable about that.

653
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: So you went back and put it in your book

654
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: after you were done with the book and was like,

655
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: what is this in a good way a bad way?

656
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: I think in a good way, Yeah, listen, if it's

657
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: raw and real, even if it's uncomfortable, it's awesome because

658
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: other people are going through very similar things and they

659
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: may not have the words, or the platform or the

660
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: capacity to share it. They may be too embarrassed to

661
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: share it. And I found when I wrote my first book,

662
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of stuff in there about

663
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: my mom and you know, her being an addict and

664
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: dying and um, some really embarrassing things that I thought,

665
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to share this with people because I

666
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: don't want to feel sorry for me. And that's really

667
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: what it was for me. But what I found was

668
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: because I would tour and I would talk to folks,

669
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: the things that I was most worried about being embarrassed

670
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: of and worried about people feeling like I was lesser

671
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: than they related to. And that's what actually made me

672
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: and the person that read the book closer. It was

673
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: the exact opposite of what I was scared of. It

674
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: actually made them feel like they knew me and me

675
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: feel like I was actually talking to someone that understood.

676
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: And so that's really it's great. But it's also like,

677
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: it's very strong of you to go back and put

678
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: that in because you knew it was incomplete and you

679
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: said the best word. I don't know why. I think

680
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: I was embarrassed, like bringing up I had a brother

681
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: that passed aways. I think it was weird. I thought

682
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe people would judge me from it. And I had

683
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: actually apologized to a few of my really good friends

684
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: in town. They were like, you never told me about this.

685
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're asking me if you know I

686
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: saw the friends reunion. Oh and by the way, my

687
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: brother passed away in sixth grade, so you know what,

688
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: let's go down and get some hot chicken. It just

689
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: never came up right. Well, but that that's really big

690
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: of you in many ways to go back because You

691
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't write it with that in mind. No, not. You

692
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: went back and thought, all right, that's me. But it's

693
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: not complete exactly, and it's easy to just go, you

694
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: know what, completed another story about how great I am. Yes,

695
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: not at all. Listen that was and and and anyone

696
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: out there, you know if you can tell I hate attention. Yeah.

697
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: And I have another brother named Lance, who was incredible,

698
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: who was not adopted, and he's like, he's as you know,

699
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: big as this table in the book. He goes by

700
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: his native American name, dances with Budweiser's but uh, you know,

701
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: he's my little brother and he's gigantic, you know, so

702
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm very, very lucky. And then I got

703
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to meet Jane everyone else. When you moved to town.

704
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: You come to Nashville, you don't know Nashville yet people

705
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: looked at you as what early on, Oh, this kind

706
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: of cool rocker guy that came from l A. Let's,

707
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, let's write some rock songs with them. And

708
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: then you know, I actually did put out a song

709
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: which actually was big in little rock, but not on

710
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: your station. I wish I knew you then I would

711
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: have called you called party like a rock star and

712
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: it bubbled up a little bit in a good way.

713
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: Let me hold on a second. We have a clip

714
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: of this j bunch of strip in the windows. Endow

715
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: you and party like a rock stars. I was a star,

716
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: remember I remember this song, but it was like a

717
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: like an alternative pop Where did it? Where did it go?

718
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: It was on Alice like one in Arkansas seven seven? Yeah,

719
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: I really played. We broke into that station and took

720
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: it over. I know, I wish I had known you.

721
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: We played one. This only really happened in Arkansas. In Connecticut,

722
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: that song really we played it? Is it? One? Is

723
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: what it's called? That? And there was a huge line

724
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: out the door. My buddies and I are rolling my

725
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: equipment in. I put a little band together and like, oh,

726
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: who are reopening for the in the club owners said

727
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: there's no one, there's just you. I was like, oh

728
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know so it was my little fun

729
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: rock star moment. I can't believe you have that clip.

730
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember that song. I'm on it up

731
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: about it. That's awesome. Look at all this stuff. It's cool.

732
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: It's America. I played a little love in America. What

733
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: was What's the difference in the stuff you put out

734
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, two thousand ten is j t X

735
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: and your first record deal when you were in l

736
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: A and you never got the call back, like sonically,

737
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: what was the difference. So it was more kind of

738
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: Hoodie and the Blowfish. Um. I mean, I probably wasn't

739
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: that good, but Hoodie and the Blowfish trying to be

740
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, Counting Crows Ryl Crows singer songwriter. I was

741
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: out in l A. You know, I was trapped between

742
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: and I was at the intersection of Brett Michael's hairpiece

743
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: and Eddie Vetters flannel. You know, I love eighties rock,

744
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: but I can't play guitar like that, and I wasn't

745
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: angry like the grunge guys, even though that music is

746
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: great and catchy. Um. But then, as I said, Counting

747
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Crows Hooting the Blowfish, Cheryl Crow came out. Then I

748
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: discovered Vince Gill and Garth Brooks all working at Tower.

749
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: I would I would discover all these CDs. So it

750
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: was kind of like that, but it wasn't. It definitely evolved.

751
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: It was very singer songwritery, but it just wasn't. It

752
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: just wasn't meant to be at the time, which is fine.

753
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: You know, if we're rewinding a second and you say

754
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: you know you're not after I cried for nine months,

755
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: it's fine. You said you're not an artist. You're a songwriter.

756
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: First of all, songwriters are artists, and I think we

757
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: both know that, and I think you meant in the

758
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: terms where there you're described now where people will go,

759
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: he's a songwriter more so than what I guess an

760
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: artist would be someone who gets on stage in fronts

761
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: and sales tickets. Uh. That being said, even if that

762
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: were the case, I think your resume here you are

763
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: an artist in many ways. You may not be even

764
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the version of the artist now, but you've had two

765
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: record deals or you've had a record deal And did

766
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: you get a deal with a t X was out

767
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: a brief? Yes? Yes, I guess it's three. Yes, that's

768
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, you should never not call yourself

769
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: an artis You're right, You're right, J Harding, I'm artists. Yes,

770
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm insulted for you. I'm you insulted you, and I'm

771
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: insulted that you insulted you. Right now, I gotta tell you,

772
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: this is like the biggest ego boost, I've had good here.

773
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: Letna play a couple of songs here. This is field thing.

774
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: I didn't walk into his bedroom from the Jonas brothers.

775
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: If I know anything about Jonas and their cycles. This

776
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: is from the Disney Channel days, right back in the day.

777
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: How do you get a song to the Disney folks,

778
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: more so than the Jonas brothers, because I'm sure Disney

779
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: was picking a lot of their stuff at the time. Yes,

780
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: the great question. This is the only time this has

781
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: ever happened. I met a great songwriter named Buzzby who

782
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: you probably know it. Unfortunately, man, he's he's passed away.

783
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: I met him. It was like late at night. It

784
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: was like eight o'clock at night. I was like, we're

785
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: writing a song at night. I never met this guy.

786
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: And he said, Hey, the Jonas brothers have a TV

787
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: show and they're looking for a song for it, so

788
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: we kind of of course, I knew that the Jonas

789
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: Brothers were, but I kind of googled. Sitting there, I

790
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: googled where they were from. From New Jersey, I do

791
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: not know. I thought they were from the land of Jonas,

792
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: an island where kids arena. That's exactly that should be

793
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: a movie. So I think they're from Jersey So I

794
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: just said from Jersey Town to the Hollywood sign data DA.

795
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: I think the song was called this is the Night,

796
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: and they may have changed the title to Feeling Alive.

797
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember. So it's the only time I've done that.

798
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: A lot of people in town say, hey, who's looking

799
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: for songs, let's write something just for Carrie Underwood, just

800
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: for Dirk Spentley, And that doesn't work for me personally,

801
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: it just never has. But that's the one time. And

802
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: then we sent it to them and they loved it

803
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: and became to the theme of their TV show and

804
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: they put it out. It's it's great. I saw him

805
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: do it in concert. I don't know them at all,

806
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: but they gave me passes and said, you know, stay

807
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: away from all the girls, don't be creepy. Do you

808
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: make sink money from back then? Like, did you make

809
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: pretty good money for being on a TV show? Yes?

810
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: Then better than now where it's more of a you

811
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: can make more for rights reasons. Uh yeah. I don't

812
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: know exactly how it all works, but in my like

813
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: smile has been used on so many TV shows and

814
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: in movies. It all pays very what the Jonas song

815
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: like as just a theme song? Did that pay well?

816
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: Because now I would pay really well. Oh, it probably

817
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: doesn't pay as much, now what you mean in reverse? See,

818
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you meant. I I honestly, I'm

819
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: not trying to evade the question. I don't. I don't

820
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: if you don't know that it didn't make you rich?

821
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I guess, Yeah I didn't. Yes, Okay, So

822
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: can you Chestny bar at the end of the world.

823
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Let's play clip of this one next time we come back,

824
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: and then I want to play one more that I

825
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: have up here because I'm a massive Googo Dolls fan.

826
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: Here is when the world breaks your heart now stops.

827
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: So how did you write with any of those guys,

828
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Johnny or Yes? So I was in a studio in

829
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: New York City, like in New York like here we

830
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: just ride in houses and whatever. I was in a

831
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: really great studio overlooking Times Square after all those years

832
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: back at the same building pretty much across the street

833
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: where I recorded my E M I record. If you

834
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: can imagine em, I was the deal I lost and

835
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: um going back to alone with you. I believe his

836
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: wife a girlfriend at the time he's married. Now. Uh,

837
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: Johnny Resident's wife liked Alone with You and he was

838
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: recording the studio and he came out and just asked

839
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: me about it, and he had just gotten this kind

840
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: of like he's really good looking you and he had

841
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: this kind of like new wave haircutt and I was like, oh,

842
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: it's Justin Bieber's dad. And luckily he laughed because I

843
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: don't think he liked that. But uh, we talked about

844
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: alone with you and he's like, oh, we should write sometimes.

845
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: So I kind of, you know, lingered about a couple

846
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: of extra days and he just said, hey, let's write

847
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: this song when the World Breaks your Heart and it

848
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: was on I think one of their last albums. So

849
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: I would make, you know, nixed CDs with um, you know,

850
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: iris on it and send back to the girls in Michigan.

851
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: When I was living in Yeah, of course, I was

852
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: such a Google Dolls fans, and I would get irritated

853
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: when the basis would sing one or two because every

854
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: every album and they let the bass like he had

855
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: this and I was like, no, no, no no, no, I

856
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: get it, but no, don't we don't need that. Johnny

857
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: Resnick told me why do you know why I don't.

858
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: Johnny Resnick would get really down on himself, like most

859
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: artists like me, I'm an artist, and I think things

860
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: weren't gonna work out. And apparently the bass player just

861
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: for years and years was like, Johnny, you're great, keep writing,

862
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: we gotta keep doing this, we gotta keep doing this,

863
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and he just feels really grateful for their friendship. And

864
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: so he has a I think a couple of songs

865
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: each record, and then he definitely I saw him too, Yeah,

866
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: and he goes hard. He's like a he sings hard.

867
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: He does, and I'm like, alright, alright, alright, He's like

868
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: the mini Gene Simmons or something. Is where there with

869
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: all the songs and all the hits and all the

870
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: close to being number one but are still hits Like

871
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Barton of the World. We played that a whole bunch,

872
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Wasn't people know that song? Do you ever have a

873
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: song or a session that you canceled on and that

874
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: day they wrote a massive song that you'd have been

875
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: a part of. No, But what a great question. I

876
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: did write with um Sam Hunt before he had a

877
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: record deal, and now I realized why his songs are

878
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: so great. He takes a long, long time time to

879
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: write songs like they took them about your Probably I'm

880
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: sure you know this a year to right body, like

881
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: a back road, but it sounds nursery, rhyme simple. The

882
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: hardest thing to do is write a simple song. So

883
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: when I was writing, when I first met Sam and

884
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: wrote with him, like months and months would go by

885
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: and we'd be working on one song, and looking back,

886
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: I wish I got a sleeping bag and just slept

887
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: on his front door, so that I kind of wish

888
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: I had been a little more patient. But at the

889
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: time people were, you know, still now people are writing

890
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: songs so fast. And also I am very very these

891
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: are great questions. I'm very, very flattered when I play

892
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: the Blue Bird and people come up to me and

893
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: they come right up to me, and they said, I

894
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: just moved to town. We should write. But I've learned

895
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: that you have to find your own tribe and you

896
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of rise together, So I can't just write with

897
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: every person that comes up to me. Well, she didn't

898
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: just get to town. But I was walking through a

899
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: hallway one day and this girl came up and she said, oh,

900
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: are you the guy that sings love in America and

901
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: not really many people knew that song on This Girl

902
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: and Bobby Bones apparently, and I said, she said, oh,

903
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: I love that song. We should write some time. And

904
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: I said, oh, thanks so much. But I was like,

905
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: not in a conceited way. I was just kind of like,

906
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: I can't write with every single person, and it was

907
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: case you must grape so that ha ha, yeah, dropped

908
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the anvil on me right now, Mike, please, Um, so,

909
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: I've definitely made some mistakes, and I you know, I mean,

910
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: you know who knows, you know. Think about the guys

911
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: that met Luke Combs the first day he came to town.

912
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: They have all these big hits. So you just people

913
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: don't have signs above their head flashing I'm going to

914
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: be a star. I used to hold one above mine,

915
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: but that didn't work. Yes, exactly, let's talk about right

916
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: like a rock stars. Something you're doing? Yes, so what

917
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: is that contest? Oh? Thank you so much? So? Uh.

918
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: National Adoption Month is in November, so if you were listening,

919
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: if you know anyone that's adopted or you are adopted,

920
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: this is totally for free. I'd love to write a

921
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: song with someone out there over zoom and all you

922
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: have to do. I have a website. I have not

923
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: told anyone about this. This is first time announcement. On

924
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: the phones podcasts, you're talking about writing and I was like, oh,

925
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: this is a good place to talk about this. Okay,

926
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: go ahead and ready, So go to the website, right

927
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: like a rock star dot com. Send me your adoption

928
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: story in about eight hundred words, and include a little

929
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: video tip of you singing or playing any song on

930
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: the radio, just a little clip, and we're gonna choose

931
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: a winner, and I'll write with someone over zoom once again.

932
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: It's totally free, and we'll own the song together. I'll

933
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: record it. You never know, we might write a hit,

934
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: who knows. And it's just a way to bring awareness

935
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: and it's something fun to do and I'm really excited

936
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: about it. And by the way, don't don't lie to

937
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: me about being adopted. The FedEx jacket does not work

938
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: on this website, right, like a rock star dot com.

939
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: So if they win, and you right, they're gonna do

940
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: some sort of press with you in November, which is

941
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: National Adoption Month. Is that right? Yeah, well just see

942
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: what happens. But there, I can't say it enough. There

943
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: are no strings attached. It's it's gonna be great. We'll

944
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: own the song together. Who knows, we might worst case

945
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: scenario we played at the Bluebird and or something, and

946
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: you can, you know, you can send in from anywhere.

947
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: It's exciting. If that's worst case scenario, that's pretty awesome.

948
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's that's pretty awesome. So you

949
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: it seems to me and I can be wrong with this,

950
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: but you can actually have Bobby Bones sign my book

951
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: for you. You're playing a lot of shows. It seems

952
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: like you play a lot of shows. I love playing

953
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: songwriter shows and hearing people sing the songs. And you know,

954
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't need someone to run up to me and say,

955
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, oh I wish you You know your picture

956
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: was on the cover of that album you wrote the songs.

957
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't need all that. I love that. I'm so

958
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: grateful that these big stars sing my songs. But I

959
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: love doing the songwriter shows. Yes, and what about that?

960
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: Do you like? Are you still itching that performer like that?

961
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Get scratching that absolutely? And it kind of you know,

962
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: gets you know, my ya ya's out. I I don't

963
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: know what it would be like to try to get

964
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: a record deal, try to be you know online and

965
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: on TikTok, constantly trying to get it all going. So

966
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I have the best of both worlds.

967
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I live in this incredible city, Nashville. I get to

968
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: go and play these great shows like Sundance. The Bluebird

969
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: has sent me all over the world, you know, London,

970
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: New York, everywhere, and and then I get to write

971
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: songs by the day. It's it's fantastic. I'm doing a

972
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: songwriter night at the Bluebird on like the thirty one

973
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: or something. There's a big Sunday night songwriter thing, and

974
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: I haven't done it because it's usually it's too late

975
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: for me to be even awake. But I'm doing have

976
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: a couple of shows that I'm doing in Nashville. I've

977
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: done two already and it's like a Ted talk me

978
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: to comedy show. And so what I've gotta work material

979
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: and so some of my materials music, and I reached

980
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: out and you know, called the people as the Bluebird,

981
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, because at times I was just

982
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: going I play around and work material or I just

983
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: show up and hop on stage. And what what's tough

984
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: for me was they would go all right, because you know,

985
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: sometimes guests will come in and I'll make a big

986
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: deal about the surprise. And so there I called, and

987
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I guess some songs. And with comedy songs,

988
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: you don't know if they're funny until you play them

989
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: in front of people and see if they laugh. You know,

990
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: you can ride a real catchy hook for people comes

991
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: to that, that's a really good hook, and you know it.

992
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: You know it. With comedy, you may feel like the

993
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: jokes great, but until you do it in front of

994
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: people and they actually laugh, you don't really know. So

995
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: I write all these jokes, write all these songs, and

996
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: I said, hey, do you mind if I come up

997
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: and I and they said sure, we'll bring you on

998
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: as a guest, secret guest, a big surprise guests. I'm like, okay, sure.

999
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: So I go up and it's a Sunday night and

1000
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: they say, all right, everybody, and it's the stage, not

1001
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: the round. It's the stage not the round. You guys

1002
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: are never gonna believe who's here. And I can feel

1003
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: people sit up a little taller, and I can see

1004
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: a little bit out there because I'm in the bag,

1005
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: and they're like this guy has been responsible for so

1006
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: many hits, and and now I'm like, oh no, I'm like,

1007
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: oh god, oh no, these people are gonna think like

1008
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: Garth's coming out with something like I can't win. I

1009
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: already know I can't win. By what's about to happen.

1010
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: You've heard him on and they introduced me, and people

1011
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: are like, oh, and they weren't wrong about what they said.

1012
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: It's just what. So I said, hey, guys, I'm gonna

1013
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: come work out some material on this night if it's

1014
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: okay with you, and they said great, I said, but

1015
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: don't make it a surprise. Put it up on the site.

1016
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sh I'm there, I'm gonna play that win't.

1017
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Nobody's disappointed. And so I certainly people are excited to

1018
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: meet you. I don't know if they have. You ever

1019
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: met a man that went five years without having sex?

1020
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: This is him. Yeah, that's true. I wish I wish

1021
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: I was a listener that I would have called up

1022
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: as your left hand. I would have said, Bobby never

1023
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: takes me to dinner. He only wants to fool around.

1024
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: Brought to you by Jurgen's Lotion The Bobby Bones Shows.

1025
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm I'm playing that Bluebird show on the

1026
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: thirty one to do the same thing, but I'm playing

1027
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of like two songwriter things. But he'll

1028
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: be great my point, Yeah, yeah, and I feel fine.

1029
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: They know I'm coming. I'm gonna play four or five

1030
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: comedy songs. I'm gonna sae who laughs, who doesn't. We're

1031
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: gonna move from that. But I guess my point is there,

1032
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: do you like to play in the very intimate round

1033
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: where you go around the circle or do you like

1034
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: to be on the stage where it feels like a

1035
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: conventional show. And that's a great question, I guess in town,

1036
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I love the magic of the blue Bird and people

1037
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: listening right now, like it's so hard to get in

1038
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: there because if you don't know, it's so small. I

1039
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: do love that, but it's a whole different experience being

1040
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: out at Sundance for two nights. People both night, everyone

1041
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: had their phones up with their little lights on. Unfortunately

1042
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't my song, it was Tom Douglas song. But

1043
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: I was still sitting there watch I was on stage. Yeah,

1044
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: someone snap a picture, so I guess yeah. But if

1045
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, do you want to go play, you know,

1046
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: a shed with like, you know, Bobby Bones band. I'd

1047
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: rather do that than I guess I meant at the

1048
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Bluebirds scifically. Would you rather play on the stage, Oh,

1049
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, I'd rather play in the round. Yes,

1050
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: because it's like you're with friends. It's just such an

1051
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: unusual and magical experience. And I do other songwriter shows

1052
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: around the country where they try to do like a

1053
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: bluebird thing that isn't part of the bluebird and people

1054
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: don't know, so they kind of talk all through it

1055
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: or say, hey, play Sweet Caroline, or you know, play

1056
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Luke Combs. I was like, I wish I could. I

1057
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: didn't write it, you know. So it's just so interesting

1058
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: to play songs that you've written in such an intimate

1059
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: place and everyone is just hanging on the edge of

1060
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: their seat, can't wait to hear a hit, can't wait

1061
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: to hear something new. So yeah, I'd rather play in

1062
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: the round. Yeah. Well, you guys, get the book, party

1063
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: like a rock star, get into the contest right like

1064
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: a rock star. Dot com for the website, and then

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00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: you can possibly right with a rock star, a real

1066
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: life artist. I'm gonna walk around now calling myself an artist. Hey,

1067
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: before we go I would not have hit songs if

1068
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't for country music fans country DJs like you

1069
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: that played the song. So thank you very much. I

1070
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: really silly a lot, but I'm very very grateful. I

1071
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: have a great life, So thanks so much for having

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Speaker 1: me on. How many suits do you have? Like with

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00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: thinking about like seven or eight, I'm looking for some

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00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: new ones that a lot of people see that I have.

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00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: You would love, Mike. I have a Star Wars one.

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00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: It's white with like little um Star Wars uh stormtrooper

1077
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: helmets on it. Yeah, I got a pac Man one

1078
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: that I got last year. So and every time I'm

1079
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear this watch like, I don't think this

1080
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: is the occasion for that. I don't like why not

1081
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: she goes because this is a formal you know there,

1082
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: So I haven't really found a time yet for that,

1083
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: but I like it. It's how I knew you visually, right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. I was I don't

1085
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: want to stay where, but I was somewhere having lunch

1086
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: in town and you came out and all of my

1087
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: friends stood up there like that's Bobby Bones, and they

1088
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: all came around you to like that's never no, no,

1089
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: to play a song, no for real, to play a

1090
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: song or something, or to play at your wedding, one

1091
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: of them said. And you looked over all of them

1092
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: and you said, this really happened. You said, it's the

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00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: guy in the crazy suits. And they all turned around

1094
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: and looked at me, and I was like, holy cow,

1095
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: wonder how he recognized me? Oh, and now are all like, hey,

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00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: where do you buy your suits? Man? Yeah, they're gonna

1097
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: go crazy. And never have people don't come up to

1098
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: me like that and surround me and lift me above

1099
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: their head to go. I wouldn't make that up. Yeah,

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00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: And you just went, it's the guy in the crazy suits.

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00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: You probably saw it on like phil was Sarton's Instagram

1102
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: or something. Was I coming out of like a yo

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00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: or like a cycle studio and who and I ran

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00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: into and I saw I do remember this. I saw you,

1105
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: but I the writers of And then God whispered her

1106
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: name yes, and and he was like, hey, I wrote it.

1107
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, we're using that in our wedding.

1108
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: And then I saw you and I was like, it's

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00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: the guy that wears the suits. That's right, I do.

1110
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: But nobody surrounded that whole story about that they lifted

1111
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: me up twice, okay, and they tossed me in the

1112
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: air and saying for he's a jolly good fellow. Once

1113
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: that was it, but after that it was over. Listen.

1114
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Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed this. This has been a real great

1115
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: conversation for me. Thank you. I appreciate it. Your story

1116
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: is interesting, UM. I love the fact that you know

1117
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: you pushed yourself with authenticity when writing your book, like

1118
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: you knew it wasn't all the way out there and

1119
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: you knew what else you had to put into your

1120
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: book wasn't extremely comfortable, but you did it anyway because

1121
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: that was the last piece of that puzzle. I think

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Speaker 1: that's great. There's a lot about you. Thanks so much.

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00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: So that's fantastic. And I'm a massive fan of your father,

1124
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: of your your biological dad, because I don't call my boy,

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00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't call my biological dad my father, so I'm

1126
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: stepping back your biological father. I'm massive fan of him.

1127
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: And you know what, your mom and dad too, because

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Speaker 1: they did a heck of a job raising you. And

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Speaker 1: that that is that's really, really, really a great story. Awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much, Thanks for um. Discovering all the new music,

1131
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Speaker 1: and I don't really do anymore like Instagram and TikTok

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Speaker 1: at j t X rock Star. I got a new

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00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: song for bopopopp Cast Cast Cast Cast Cast Pop Podcast.

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Speaker 1: If you've done that one already, I never know. We

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Speaker 1: probably won't do that one never again. Alright, thanks everybody.

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Speaker 1: J Hardy follow him jt X rock Star And that's it.