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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Alien conversations, having a conversation with aliens. A lot of

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Speaker 1: you guys have had conversations with something in your head, right,

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Speaker 1: So there's a fine line somewhere where it's not good. Right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure of that fine line, but I know

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Speaker 1: I've had mind speak before Bigfoot. I know that I've

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Speaker 1: had other things given to me. If you're a remote viewer,

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Speaker 1: you're going to hear things called a P seven and

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Speaker 1: you know That's what I'm about is kind of the

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Speaker 1: similarities of all the different things that we discuss. And

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Speaker 1: tonight our first guest, he talks about conversations with aliens

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Speaker 1: and also talks about hallucina genics. And I'm very interested

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Speaker 1: in the topic because years ago it was one of

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Speaker 1: my first Coast to Coast memories. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: with Graham Hancock, and I have since heard that what

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Speaker 1: I heard was not the case. Yet some people say

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Speaker 1: it was the case, so maybe Mandela effect. But I

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Speaker 1: thought I remember Graham Hamcock saying that he took ayahuasca

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Speaker 1: and what he saw the other people saw in the

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Speaker 1: same realm. Now I have since heard. No, that's not right,

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Speaker 1: that's not right. But other people said they remember hearing

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Speaker 1: the same thing, and I don't know how it could

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Speaker 1: even make that up. But okay, Mandela effect, we'll go

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Speaker 1: with it. But alien conversation, psychedelic drugs, that's tonight. That's

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Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about tonight with doctor Andrew Gallimore,

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Speaker 1: computational neural biologists, pharmacologist, chemist, well known for his studies

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Speaker 1: in the neural basis of psychedelic drug action. And his

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Speaker 1: question is, should we consider specific psychedelic drugs such as

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Speaker 1: DMT to be much more efficient and reliable methods for

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Speaker 1: communicating with alien intelligence more than orthodox approaches involving electromagnetic

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Speaker 1: pulses or passenger interstellar travel or you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe even channeling. He can maybe include that in there too,

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Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people do that. Or

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Speaker 1: just go out in the rockies with me and they'll

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Speaker 1: be him a light down on you and you can

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Speaker 1: decide from there if you want to continue your conversations

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Speaker 1: with them. But I'm sure there's good and bad out there,

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Speaker 1: and so let's bring on doctor Andrew Gallimore. It's his

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Speaker 1: first time ever on Coast to Coast and he's going

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Speaker 1: to answer those questions for you. And I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest question maybe to ask him first of all, is

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Speaker 1: as we welcome him in, what exactly is an alien?

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Speaker 1: Hi there, doctor Andrew Gallimore. Welcome to Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 1: Hello Connie, thanks for having me. Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, don't and you, guys, he lives in Japan,

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Speaker 1: but he's got that British accent and it's nice. So

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Speaker 1: what is an alien? That's probably probably the bigger question,

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Speaker 1: because you have a different definition that some people may not.

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Speaker 1: They may be thinking of the little gray walking around. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think I have a broader definition, or

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Speaker 1: at least I'm not. I don't like to be definitive

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Speaker 1: on how you would define an alien. I think alien

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Speaker 1: the term really just means other. It means I think

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Speaker 1: of it as some kind of intelligence that is not

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about some kind of intelligence that exists

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Speaker 1: Once a species reaches the level of advancement where it

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Speaker 1: that make sense? It does? It does? No. I was

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Speaker 1: I heard from Graham Hancock before with our belly years

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Speaker 1: And it's unlikely that two people, even if they're in

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