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Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the dream once again here on a March

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Speaker 2: madness a Sunday. Look who's in the house.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Torres is here decked out as he should be

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Speaker 3: in his Yukon Gary. By the way, you see, I'm

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Speaker 3: not shining away from my UCLA Bruins. Of course I

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Speaker 3: wear the same shirt every single Sunday, so it's nothing new.

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Speaker 2: Are you the guy that Mick Cronin is hitting up

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Speaker 2: for the extra five million for next year?

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Speaker 3: Has he reached out to you yet? Personally, I am

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Speaker 3: doing this because my UCLA women. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: they say two things. Never call us the lady Bruins.

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Speaker 2: We get that a lot in U. Come, no lady Bruins.

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Speaker 2: They're just the Bruins. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna be tipping off here against the Duchies. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna go against the Dukeies. Is he the symmetry that's

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Speaker 3: happening here as we get this March Madness Sunday going,

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 2: Lady Huskies tipping off or they're at halftime exceeding right

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Speaker 2: now against Notre Dame. I have gotten a lot of

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Speaker 2: At once upon a time I called them the Lady Huskies.

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Speaker 2: All people on social media were not happy with that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one of those situations where they want

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Speaker 3: to be recognized on their.

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Speaker 2: Own there, which is fine. I will respect that.

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Speaker 3: So your Huskies right now and my Bruins are going

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Speaker 3: to be in action on this March Madness Sunday. By

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Speaker 3: the way, we're getting ready for the tip off of

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Speaker 3: the Michigan Tennesse Sea game that will be getting started

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Speaker 3: in about fifteen minutes right now, followed of course by

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Speaker 3: your Husky's taken on Duke for tickets into the Final Four.

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Speaker 3: Once again, we're in the Fox Sports Radio studios. So Aaron,

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Speaker 3: first of all, it's great to see you again.

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Speaker 2: Man, Well we run into each other. We haven't done

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Speaker 2: a show together in a while. That's the last time

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Speaker 2: we did a show together. Oh my goodness, it's been

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Speaker 2: a while. It's been a while, but I was excited.

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Speaker 2: I know VJ needed the day off today Sunday. Whatever

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Speaker 2: he's doing, I don't know what he's doing now.

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Speaker 3: This is something I'm sure a lot of people want

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Speaker 3: to know about you because the game will be tipping

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Speaker 3: off the Duke Yukon game about five five minutes after

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Speaker 3: we get all off the air, although technically we actually

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Speaker 3: get off about five minutes before the top of the hour.

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Speaker 3: So let's say you have a ten minute window. Is

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Speaker 3: it possible that you will be seated comfortably watching the

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Speaker 3: opening tip off of that Yukon Do game.

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Speaker 2: I do live about eight minutes from studio. That's doable.

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Speaker 2: So it's in the cards. I'll tell you can I

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Speaker 2: tell you a quick funny side story. I used to

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Speaker 2: live in Pasadena and there was one year where I

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Speaker 2: was hosting Fox Sports Radio here, the Jason Smith and

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Speaker 2: My Carmon Show. You just saw Jason Smith. You know

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Speaker 2: they generally take off New Year's Day, which is totally understandable.

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Speaker 2: I covered the first half of the Rose Bowl. It

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Speaker 2: was the Michigan Alabama Rose Bowl, what ended up being

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban's final game as a college football coach. I

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Speaker 2: left at halftime. I was back in my chair at

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Speaker 2: my house by the kickoff. Is there kickoff of the

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Speaker 2: kickoff of the second half. I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: will make I don't know, to quote the great song

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Speaker 3: Wow, look at that, by the way, speaking of the

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Speaker 3: women's bracket, sure with Yukon right now only up seven

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Speaker 3: by the way, twenty seven and a half point favorites

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Speaker 3: earlier this year. But if we do end up with

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? My UCLA Bruins have

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Speaker 3: won twenty eight straight games. It's a veteran team that

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Speaker 2: The final four. Yeah, but you don't have Beckers. Now,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five women's finals. Don't call it the ladies? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Is that that's where they draw the line? Okay, women's

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Speaker 3: thirty four point win over the Bruins last year. I

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Speaker 2: I did not even I think I actually did realize

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Speaker 2: thinking about going to the women's Final four, which is

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Speaker 3: So Aaron, I know a lot of outsiders looking in

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Speaker 3: probably have the same question the most college basketball fans have.

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Speaker 2: Sure, how did Yukon.

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Speaker 3: Surpass every other school in the country in sheer dominance

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was there in Tampa in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: you know, seven years ago today today, March twenty ninth,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, twenty seven years ago, today. Did I

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Speaker 3: So this is the year that you Call won their

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Speaker 3: first national championship with Jim Calhoun upsetting Duke of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So my co host, my producer, the three of

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Speaker 2: There's no way I was getting near that bed.

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Speaker 3: There's just no chance he finds a place like at

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Speaker 2: We recorded it, by the way, and played it for

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Speaker 3: So that is my lasting memory of the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven years ago today. First of all, I had

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Speaker 2: With due respect to our lovely listeners. In San anton

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Speaker 3: Go to Metier in Old Town, the restaurant Metier when

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Speaker 3: So okay, you gotta get off the river walk air. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I spent like six days there last year.

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Speaker 2: I wish you had told me this literally a year ago.

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Speaker 2: We were talking as we were leaving last year. Of

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Speaker 2: But as we you know, we did our post game stuff,

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Speaker 3: But Michael Thompson introduced me to that place first when

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Speaker 3: he and I were there to cover a Lakers Spurs

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Speaker 3: playoff game. Not Derek Fisher right, this was not no,

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Speaker 3: and then came the game five. I was in Vegas

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Speaker 2: Course they play quarters on the ladies. Oh did I say,

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Speaker 3: From what I remember, fog Allen literally learned from Naysmith.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that fog Allen was the guy that learned

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter. This is the one sporting event

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Speaker 2: Did you go in the tournament? That was the sole judge.

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Speaker 3: And you could see a lot of coaches very frustrated

434
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Speaker 3: by the fact that it just seems like we do

435
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Speaker 3: all this work. We have a long season, we're trying

436
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Speaker 3: to win a conference, trying to you know, and at

437
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Speaker 3: the end, the only thing that anybody remembers is what

438
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Speaker 3: did you do in the tournament that year?

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I'll take it a step further.

440
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel bad for the mid major coaches

441
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: who could win twenty five, twenty eight, thirty games, and

442
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: you know, you have one bad weekend in the conference tournament,

443
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Speaker 2: you don't even get to the NCAA tournament. But no,

444
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Speaker 2: it's the truth. I mean, Miami, Ohio barely got in. Well,

445
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Tennessee's the perfect example. They finish

446
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Speaker 2: I believe, fifth in the sec A, sixth seed, and

447
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: if they just if they just play to their seed,

448
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: which is of course they were six seed. They played

449
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: Virginia in the round of thirty two. If they lose

450
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: that game, it's just a forgettable season for Tennessee. Nobody,

451
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Speaker 2: you know, nobody in fifty years now. It's a third

452
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Speaker 2: straight Elite Eight, potentially their first Final four ever, and

453
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Speaker 2: it could go down as literally the greatest season in

454
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Speaker 2: Tennessee history, even though up until two games ago it

455
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Speaker 2: was just another game, another season in the you know

456
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Speaker 2: that nobody else remembers.

457
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Speaker 3: So to your point, well, I remember UCLA in twenty

458
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Speaker 3: twenty one barely crawled into the first four down big

459
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Speaker 3: to Michigan State, like it's gonna be like we shouldn't

460
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Speaker 3: even have been in the tournament. They turned that game around.

461
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Speaker 3: The next thing, you know, they're in the Final four

462
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Speaker 3: and only missed the championship game by a miracle, you know,

463
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Speaker 3: half court shot by Gonzaga.

464
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Speaker 2: I was on Aaron the Olts.

465
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Speaker 3: So you know, I mean, that's that's the thing about

466
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Speaker 3: this tournament. It doesn't matter about the players. It doesn't matter.

467
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Speaker 3: The coaches are the stars in college basketball. They always

468
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: have been. Those are the names that are recognizable. And

469
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Speaker 3: I like the fact that we still have Rick Patino

470
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Speaker 3: out there, that we still have coach cal out there,

471
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Speaker 3: that you know, Rick Barnes and some of these guys

472
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Speaker 3: that have decided no, I'm not gonna step aside.

473
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna ride this out.

474
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Speaker 3: I know the dynamic is very changed in terms of recruiting,

475
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 3: transfer portal and il money and everything else, because they

476
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Speaker 3: are the stars of this sport.

477
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Speaker 2: And it's just amazing.

478
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Speaker 3: We know, more people fill out brackets than bet on

479
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 3: the super Bowl and it's not even close.

480
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: It's not even close.

481
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Speaker 3: More brackets will be filled out for the NCAA tournament

482
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Speaker 3: than bets placed on the super Bowl. And you know,

483
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: as well as I done, of the people filling it

484
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Speaker 3: out of bracket don't have a single clue of a

485
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Speaker 3: single player in the tournament or anything else. It's just

486
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Speaker 3: it's Americana. You gotta fill out a bracket. And I'll

487
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Speaker 3: say this too.

488
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Speaker 2: And you know you talk about an event being bigger

489
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Speaker 2: than the sport itself. The other thing that I love,

490
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Speaker 2: and I was thinking about this this morning, right, is

491
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Speaker 2: we just once the game start, it's only about the games.

492
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Speaker 2: And what do I mean by that? As somebody who

493
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Speaker 2: also loves college football, everything that happens in the lead

494
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: up and through the college football Playoff is an existential crisis.

495
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we have a group of five team

496
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Speaker 2: Why do we have a group of five team? They

497
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: don't belong here. Should we have twelve? Should we have sixteen?

498
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Speaker 2: Should we have twenty four? Should we go back to four?

499
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Speaker 2: This is too many teams, This is not enough. It's like, one,

500
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Speaker 2: we're gonna expand this bracket because people are idiots, but

501
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: it's like once they get Like last night, I was

502
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: on air when Arizona makes its first Final Four since

503
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, and all it is about in

504
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: that moment is Arizona. This that there's no external noise of,

505
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Speaker 2: like the bracket's too big, Arizona wasn't deserving to even

506
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Speaker 2: be there. And so I don't know if I'm making

507
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Speaker 2: this point well, but I was thinking about how college

508
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 2: football and I say this about college and I love

509
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: college football, but everything in that sport is an existential

510
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: crisis that needs to be fixed this second. And oh

511
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: my god, we expanded too much. We didn't expand enough.

512
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Speaker 2: And it's just like college basketball. The games are played,

513
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: we watch them. When a one seed gets upset, like

514
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: Florida got up set last Sunday, nobody's saying we need

515
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: to change how we see teams. College football could learn

516
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: a thing or two. Well in the NCAA tournam.

517
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Speaker 3: College football is still trying to figure out where they

518
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: are right now. I mean they just, you know, once

519
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: you open the Pandora's box, you know, and create it,

520
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: first the BCS Championship game and then a four school playoff,

521
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Speaker 3: and then you want to They don't. They're trying to

522
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Speaker 3: figure this whole thing out. It's been a dis I mean,

523
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: think about this. The buy teams are one and seven

524
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: so far. Sure in the first two years of the

525
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: expanded playoff in college football. That's not good. They're going

526
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: to try to figure this thing out. Eventually, I'll get there.

527
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. We really have the perfect setup now

528
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Speaker 3: for the NCAA Basketball Tournament because when people talk about

529
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Speaker 3: expanding it beyond sixty eight schools, you don't have to.

530
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Speaker 3: You have what we call conference tournaments. There are very

531
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Speaker 3: few schools that do not enter a conference tournament, very few.

532
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Speaker 3: Most of the conference tournaments are all inclusive. You have

533
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Speaker 3: a path because if you win your car friend's tournament,

534
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Speaker 3: you get an automatic bid into the tournament.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's funny because every year we have the

536
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Speaker 2: conversation of you know, our conference tournament's the best way

537
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 2: to determine the field of sixty eight because of the

538
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: fact that a one bid league, the number one seed

539
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: could lose in the quarter final whatever. And I always

540
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: say the reason conference tournaments have to stay is because

541
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Speaker 2: of the fact that every team enters March with a

542
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: chance to compete for a national championship. That's the only

543
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: sport that you can say that every team enters the

544
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Speaker 2: final month of the season so a shot to win

545
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Speaker 2: the championship. Can't say about the NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball,

546
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: college football, on and on.

547
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Speaker 3: Way back in the day, during the Wooden years, when

548
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: people say, well, they had a much smaller tournam much

549
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: easier to win. You had to win your conference to

550
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: get in the tournament up until nineteen seventy five, first

551
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Speaker 3: time they expanded to a full thirty two teams, where

552
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: they took a few at large teams, but in the

553
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Speaker 3: ACC was the only conference that actually had a tournament,

554
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Speaker 3: and you had to win the tournament to be the

555
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: one school to get into the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: You know, they did about three or four years ago,

557
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Speaker 2: like the ACC network did like a twelve parts. I

558
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: watched the entire thing. Okay, so I'm like episode four,

559
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: but it was like, oh, Maryland had to spend all

560
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: year thinking about their loss in the conference tournament before

561
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Speaker 2: they got a shot again in this.

562
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was unbelievable. Lefty drizzels at Maryland

563
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: and they'll tell you one team crazy, and arguably Maryland

564
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: may have been the second or third best team in

565
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Speaker 3: the country. There was a year where USC Bob Boyd

566
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Speaker 3: they lost two games the entire year, both the UCLA nothing.

567
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: That's right.

568
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: They didn't even get an NIT bid. That's crazy because

569
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Speaker 3: the conference wouldn't take other conference bans.

570
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: All right.

571
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Speaker 3: So when people try to belittle, you know, the accomplishments

572
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Speaker 3: of John Wooden, keep in mind this during his time

573
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: when he was playing in NCAA tournament games, he's playing

574
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Speaker 3: against conference champions every game. Sure An he won thirty

575
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: eight consecutive tournament games. The second longest streak I believe

576
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Speaker 3: is coach k won fourteen straight.

577
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Speaker 2: Dan her thirty eight straight tournament that's it, it's crazy.

578
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: That is a right. So Dan early last year had thirteen.

579
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Speaker 2: He would have had to have won two plus more

580
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Speaker 2: national championships in a row to have matchdown one.

581
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Speaker 3: And so keep going thirty eight straight NCAA turn forget

582
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Speaker 3: the eighty eighth game winning streak, thirty eight straight NCAA

583
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Speaker 3: tournament games.

584
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Speaker 2: Crazy. All right, let's find out what is trending right now.

585
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Speaker 2: Look who's in the house. Hi, Brie, how are you today?

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Speaker 6: Good morning, guys? How are you?

587
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: Nickname is? I call her vitamin bris because every time

588
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: you're down, you just see a little Bri and you

589
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: just you feel much better.

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00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 6: Are you get really nauseous? Either one or the other?

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Speaker 2: No one says that Brie?

592
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Speaker 3: Once again, Brie was very trying to share some donuts

593
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Speaker 3: with everybody here today.

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00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: No one says.

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Speaker 6: No one says, like, did you get nam? I don't

596
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Speaker 6: like vitamins.

597
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: I get nauseated when I have my vitamins. Like that's

598
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Speaker 4: kind of bad. So I just like drink juices.

599
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: And soay broccoli one time as a kid, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: and nice.

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Speaker 6: I love vegetables.

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Speaker 4: So all right, you guys in the okay, can I

603
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: ask you actually something because we were just talking about

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Speaker 4: this in there. Why don't seeds matter as we get

605
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: like more deeper into the tournament, Like they just don't

606
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Speaker 4: matter as much?

607
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Speaker 2: Is that like a you mean as far as it's

608
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Speaker 2: like Tennessee's a sixth seed. It's just I mean, I

609
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 2: think it contextualizes everything once the bracket starts, and then

610
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Speaker 2: I think once once it's not at like nobody's like, oh,

611
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Speaker 2: six seed Tennessee. I mean, I guess they are just

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Speaker 2: not as important. Now it's a fair question. Well, I

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Speaker 2: mean there's still Cinderellas. I mean, we're now, you know, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: To me, if they were to beat Michigan, it's not

615
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Speaker 2: really a Cinderella. I mean they're a it's our school,

616
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Speaker 2: then it would be enough set for sure.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's what I was thinking. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, so I'm gonna not say that the seeds here, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So it's all tied up between Tennessee and Michigan. Fourteen fourteen.

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Speaker 4: Halfway through the first half, A day Mara has two

621
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Speaker 4: early fouls, so they pulled him out.

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Speaker 6: On the women's side in Yukon.

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Speaker 4: Has a forty seven thirty six lead headed to the

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Speaker 4: top of the fourth quarter. A day Fud only has

625
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Speaker 4: six points and she's played twenty eight minutes and five turnovers,

626
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Speaker 4: so she's kind of struggling.

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Speaker 6: A zeez fud, not a day fud. And then in.

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Speaker 4: Baseball, the Rays are on top of the Cardinals three

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Speaker 4: to zero. Top of the second inning. Bottom of the

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Speaker 4: first between the Nationals and Cubs. Nationals leading three to zero,

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Speaker 4: White Sox are beating the Brewers four to two. It's

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Speaker 4: the bottom of the first inning and it's scoreless between

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Speaker 4: the Angels and the ash Shows headed to the bottom

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Speaker 4: of this second inning.

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Speaker 6: Back to you guys, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, Hibray, thank you very much. We'll check in with

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Speaker 3: you a little bit later on. By the way, in

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Speaker 3: the Fox Sports Radio studios right now, Steve Harbin Aaron

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Speaker 3: get off the air.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: One of the big stories leading into this week was

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Speaker 3: Hubert Davis being shown the door.

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Speaker 2: He really well. I watched that game. VJ.

651
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: Husky is a big North Carolina fan, and as he

652
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 3: was actually texting me during the game, I go are

653
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: they gonna lose this game?

654
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: The lead is.

655
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: Evaporating here, right, And then when they tied the game,

656
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: and I said, you realize if they if they blow

657
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: this lead, Davis is gone.

658
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: There's no way Hubert.

659
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: Davis would survive losing this game even without his best player.

660
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: Then they lost the game and he lost his job.

661
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: So when we talk about the blue blood, so when

662
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: we talk about North Carolina and Duke in Kentucky and

663
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: Kansas and Yukon and back in the day UCLA. But

664
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: you want to talk about schools that are identified as

665
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: basketball first schools, there aren't many of them. The pressure

666
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: to win there is immense. North Carolina is really up

667
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: against it. You hired Bill Belichick, which was a disaster.

668
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: It's a huge factor in this whole conversation.

669
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.

670
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: Because we're talking about you know, if you want one

671
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: of the hot coaches right now, huge buyouts in the contract,

672
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: Tommy Lloyd. I mean, you can go down the list here.

673
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: There's but even that, to me, there's one guy that

674
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: would make sense to me in some respects, but he

675
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 3: may not. He may be walking into a trap, and

676
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: that would be Billy Donovan. So Billy Donovan has done

677
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: really nothing in the NBA. He took over an already

678
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: made OKC team, got to the conference finals his first year.

679
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: After that they went south because players left. He's done

680
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: nothing with the Bulls.

681
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: Nothing. They don't even make the playoffs.

682
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: So, you know, there's been a little talk maybe, well

683
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: maybe Billy Donovan wants to get back to the college ranks.

684
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: The last year he coached at Florida was the twenty

685
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: fourteen to twenty fifteen season, by the way, was a

686
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: losing year year after making his fourth and final Final four.

687
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: So if you were Billy Donovan right now, because you've

688
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: you've you've crossed pass abillity Donovan a few times over

689
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: the years, and if he was asking, what do you think, Aaron,

690
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: you think this would be a good move for me?

691
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna give me money obviously and everything else.

692
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: But what would he be walking into having not coached

693
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: at the collegiate level since twenty fifteen, if he were

694
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: to get back into the college.

695
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: Ranks and take that North Carolina job. Yeah, I think

696
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: first I would just ask him, you know, and I'm

697
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: not trying to be funny when I say this. You

698
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: said he'll be sixty eight this year. If you don't,

699
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: so he's only sixty and you know, sixty is the

700
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: new forty. You know, like you don't want to like

701
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: if you like, do you want to retire? Because if not,

702
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: this is probably the best. I still think it's probably

703
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: the best job in college basketball. You could argue does

704
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: it matter in this era? Just the biggest difference, I

705
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: think it's not only the nil, it's the transfer portal.

706
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: Is you have to time, Yes, you have to re

707
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: recruit your players every year. Now, the thing that I

708
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: would say, if you put in place a system where

709
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: people want to stay and Billy down if it's not,

710
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: no disrespect, but he's not the Mic Cronin type. He's

711
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: not the tom Izzo type. And tom Izzo has had

712
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: great retention. So I just think that's the big thing

713
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: is that, you know, I think it's just more than anything,

714
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: it's just a constant dialogue with your players of you know,

715
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: you're not bending over backwards to make them happy, but

716
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: you're just there's more of a line of communication. And

717
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: then what ends up happening really at this time of

718
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: year when when teams get eliminated from the tournament it's

719
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: a lot like the pros. There's exit meetings, you know.

720
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: And by the way, when guys enter the portal, Let's

721
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: remember it's not always the player that is deciding I

722
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: want to go get more money somewhere else. A lot

723
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: of times now it's the coach of saying, listen, it

724
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: was fun, but you're either not welcome back here or

725
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: you got to take a pay cut. That is the reality.

726
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: And so what I do think is it is more cutthroat.

727
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: I still think you can build real relationships with players,

728
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: asked Tom Izzo, asked Dan Hurley. I think John Shire,

729
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: to his credit, has done a good job of that.

730
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: But I just think there has to be a more

731
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: transparent line of communication of you know, we want you back,

732
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: but this, or you want to come back but this

733
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: or you know that, to me, more than anything is

734
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: the biggest issues. Yeah.

735
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 3: I just remember I hearkened to that nineteen ninety nine

736
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 3: championship game when Yukon beat Duke, and you know, Coach

737
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: k had never had a player of substance League ever.

738
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: I mean story back, I mean, you know the idea

739
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: of him going to seven final fours in a nine

740
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: year span from eighty six to ninety four was the

741
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: fact that all his stars stayed four years, all of them,

742
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: you know, from Mark Allery and Johnny Dawkins and Danny

743
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: Ferry and Laightoner and Hurley and Grant Hill.

744
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: They all stayed four years. Do you remember what a

745
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: big deal that was? In ninety nine, Well, in ninety

746
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: nine he knew Elton Brand was leaving, Yes, so he

747
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: had already resigned himself to the fact that Elton Brand

748
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: was leaving. He didn't expect William Avery to leave. And

749
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: then worst of course was his prize freshman yep, and

750
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: that crushed him. It's crazy. I know, we got to

751
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: get a break. We'll come back and talk about it,

752
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: but publicly, like he just like came out and was like,

753
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: this is the imagine a coach doing that, now, imagine

754
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just trying to think here, Tommy Lloyd

755
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Coopete has twenty and ten in an Elite eight. He

756
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't go pro He's making a mistake, Like that is

757
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: what Coach K did. It's crazy that that happens, oh,

758
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: he because it never happened before. What are you doing?

759
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: This is a duke, I'm coach K. You do not leave.

760
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: But It's a perfect example of having less control than

761
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: ever before. And you have to be okay, well, when

762
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: mcghetti led to did he lose it?

763
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: Such a pompous coach came anyway, on the other side,

764
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: we were going to get back to what's going on

765
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: with the games today. Michigan and Tennessee are in a battle,

766
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: tied at sixteen ten minutes to go in the first half.

767
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: A winner will go to the Final Four. This as

768
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday.

769
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: Steve Harvin and Aaron Torres here in the Fox Sports

770
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: radio studios. This is Fox Sports Sunday. Michigan has opened

771
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: up a nine point lead right now on Tennessee.

772
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: Tennessee. When's the last time they scored?

773
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: I mean, wow, they have gone ice cold here, eight

774
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: forty five to go in the first half.

775
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 2: Wolverine's looking to move on to the Final Four.

776
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: By the way, Michigan's only got the one national championship

777
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 3: in college basketball. I was back in nineteen eighty nine.

778
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: John Beelin got to a couple of championship games. Course,

779
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: coach Fisher got to back to back championship games after

780
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: winning at national championship in eighty nine.

781
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: Back in ninety two and ninety.

782
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: Three, So Michigan trying to win another championship. You know

783
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 3: what's always interesting to me about a school like Michigan

784
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: because Michigan is the winning his college football program in history.

785
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: So they are a football school.

786
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: And you know, if they have success in basketball, which

787
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: they go back to Cazzie Russell days in the sixties,

788
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: they've had some very great basketball teams. In two thousand

789
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 3: and seven, Final Four was in Atlanta, and Florida won

790
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: their second consecutive national championship.

791
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: And I was at that game. They beat greg Odin

792
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 2: and Ohio State in that championship game. So I never

793
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: forget this.

794
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: You got all these Gator fans right We're walking out

795
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: of the arena in Atlanta, and I'm sure sort of

796
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: listening to these four i mean back to back. None

797
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: of them were talking about that. All they were talking

798
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: about is can't wait to see what Tim Tebow. So

799
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: Tebow had played basically as a backup to Chris Leak

800
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: as a freshman when they had won the national championship,

801
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: but now he's going to be the starting quarterback in

802
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: seven later that year. I'm not kidding you like I'm

803
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 3: easing in on all these Gator fans and all they're

804
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: talking about is Tim Tebow and the upcoming football season.

805
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: Is it like that a mission you think? Well, I

806
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: was gonna say, last year at the Final four, Florida

807
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: wins the national championship, we go back to the hotel

808
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: bar having beers with their beat writers. We're like, what

809
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: is everyone talking about right there? Now? They're like DJ

810
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: Lagway's foot and DJ Lagway's shoulders, swear on my life.

811
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: And I think it's probably the same at Michigan. I

812
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: think if you ask most fans ask VJ. Husky, I'm

813
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: sure they're more concerned about Bryce Underwood than they are

814
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: absolutely Yoxel Lendenborg, So I would say, so, yes.

815
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so there it's an interesting dynamic. It's

816
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: great in the moment, and you always want to, you know,

817
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: have another feather in the cap by winning a national championship,

818
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: but there are certain schools where it matters more.

819
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: You rememver really answered.

820
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: My initial question this hour about Yukon ascending to the

821
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: level because of the dominance of Arima with a women's program,

822
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: and obviously what they've done with the men's program. I mean,

823
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: you won championships with three different coaches at Yukon. It

824
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: seems unreal, like, how how did this happen?

825
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we got two more hours to discuss it,

826
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: but it starts with one man. His name is John Toner,

827
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: the man who hired bo Gino orem in Jim Calhoun

828
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: and some would say change the face of college athletics forever.

829
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: But there, you know, we can get it to more

830
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: in depth about how it happens with multiple coaches and

831
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that. The Dan Hurley thing is really interesting,

832
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: by the way. When he got hired, the pit job

833
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: was open, and people in his circle said, don't take Yukon,

834
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: it's in the American Conference. Go to the ACC and pit.

835
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: He almost chose Pitt over Yukon. We got two hours

836
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: to discuss Dan Hurley's life choices. Where's Kevin Oi on

837
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: a golf course somewhere? Wow, he's one. He's a national

838
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: champions hip coach.

839
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 3: All right, coming up, we will have reviews of what's

840
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: gonna happen a little bit later on between Yukon and Duke.

841
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: We'll get ready for more March madness. This is Fox

842
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: Sports Sunday, all right, Laura and along here on this

843
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 3: March Madness Sunday. Once again, we are in the Fox

844
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 3: Sports radio studios. The only question about this Tennessee Michigan

845
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: game is is Tennessee actually going to score again? This

846
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: game was tied at six, it is now thirty five

847
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: to sixteen Michigan.

848
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: Finally, Tennessee ends the drought with a layup. But it

849
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: looks like the Wolverines are going to be marching on

850
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: to the final four. I'll be careful, Steve de Sager.

851
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: I was on air during the Michigan Yukon game. Steve

852
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: de Sager, he was quoting Billy Packer, so he says

853
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: that he wasn't but he when Yukon was up twenty

854
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: five to six, nineteen points, Steve de Sager, quoting Billy Packer,

855
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: said it's over and I was like, I don't know

856
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: how I feel about that, And sure enough, two minutes

857
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: to go ty game, Yukon survives to play Duke today.

858
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, no, Tennessee always a little bit limited offensively.

859
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: I actually have two quick Tennessee things. One Iowa State. Listen.

860
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to dismiss what Tennessee did on Friday night,

861
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: but as someone who had Iowa State in every survivor

862
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: pool every bracket. They could have played that game one

863
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: hundred times. Iowa State would have never been and they

864
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: missed eleven file shots like that that alone. Forget the

865
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: three point shooting out rebounded by I think it was

866
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: twenty one. But credit to Tennessee all that. I did

867
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: want to ask you this to lead the show, and

868
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: I think I know the answer. If Tennessee does not

869
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: win this game, third straight Elite eight without getting to

870
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: a Final four, But that's not considered a disappointment given

871
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: that they were a significant underdog, right Like, nobody thought

872
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: they were going to win this game. So it's not

873
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: like a failure because they got to the Elite Eight

874
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: for a third straight year without getting to the school's

875
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: first Final four.

876
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it depends on the school. Again, you're talking

877
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: about a Tennessee program that's never met in the final.

878
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: Specific Tennessee team.

879
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: I would say it's disappointing from the player standpoint, it's

880
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: not from the coach. Look at the Elite A is

881
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: the worst loss? Oh yeah, by far? Because you're fully

882
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: invested in the tournament. You've been out there for two weeks,

883
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: you've won three games. If you started the first four year,

884
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: you might four games, so you're fully invested.

885
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: You are one step away. It's one of the.

886
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: Few sports because we never think about, well, who lost

887
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: the conference championship. You know, it's always about you're in

888
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: the super Bowl, you're in the World Series, whatever. But

889
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: in college basketball, if you say final four, that's good enough.

890
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: Even if you lose in the semi final. If you

891
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: made the final four, you put final four on your

892
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: resume as a coach. You are forever a Final four coach.

893
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: So it's a little different than in other sports. So

894
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 3: losing in the Elite eight is so crushing I would

895
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: say yeah. I mean it's you know, because you're getting

896
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: to the same point and you can't get to that

897
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: next step, fair or not. Because this Tennessee team really

898
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: came out of nowhere and was able to navigate unexpectedly

899
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: to get this far and now they're down twenty points

900
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 3: to Michigan at thirty eight to eighteen. So I don't

901
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: know the Tennessee mindset other than the fact that now

902
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: that you're getting so close to the final four, can

903
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: we can we get that next step. I don't think

904
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: a change of coach is going to do it.

905
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: I think that's not the question. No, it was more

906
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: third straight year in the Elite eight zero final fource.

907
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: But specifically, I don't think you can criticize this Tennessee

908
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: team if they lose to this Michigan team. Now, if

909
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: Michigan had somehow lost to an eight seed and you're playing,

910
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, Clemson to go to a final four, then

911
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: it's day that would be crushing. But yes, but I

912
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: think it's hard not to deem this a successful tournament.

913
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: And it goes back to what you said in hour one,

914
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: which is such a great point, is that you can

915
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: be good, average, mediocre, you get to the tournament and

916
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: you go on a run. That's all anybody remembers.

917
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: That's all people remember. It happens all the time. We

918
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: get to you know, an unexpected entry. You know, look

919
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: at Annie Enfield. I mean he parlayed Florida Gulf Coast

920
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 3: a fifteen seed, making it into the sweet sixteen, into

921
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: a big time job, just like that, based on two wins.

922
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: Two wins in the tournament landed him a big job.

923
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: My mindset, it's different for every school. As a UCLA guy,

924
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: going to the NSA tournament means nothing to me. I

925
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: mean you're supposed to be in the end and say tournament,

926
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: I only count years. Do you get to the Sweet sixteen?

927
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: Okay? No, did you survive the first weekend?

928
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 3: If you punch your ticket to the Sweet sixteen, fine,

929
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: I won't count that as I mean, you got to

930
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: feel the same way about you call it, right, I mean,

931
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: if you go on the first or second round, it's

932
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: like we weren't even there.

933
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Yes, And I've said this many times on the Fox

934
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: Sports radio airwaves. This specific season felt until probably the

935
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: Michigan State game, like a disappointment. Twenty nine to five

936
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: in the regular season coming into the tournament, but did

937
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: not win the Biggast regular season, lost to Saint john

938
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: They lost to Marquette on the final Saturday of the

939
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: season to cost themselves to go get blown out, get

940
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: blown out by Saint John's. And the Big East was

941
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 2: a three bid league, and there were so many games

942
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 2: that Yukon could have lost that they didn't overtime against

943
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: the Providence team which fired their coach two point win

944
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: over Georgetown at Georgetown, So I just bring it there

945
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: were so until the Michigan State game, it was like,

946
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: this season is kind of a failure. Even at twenty

947
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: you know now how thirty plus wins. But the standard

948
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: is the standard. Can I ask you this? This was

949
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 2: so curious to me. So Saint John's blows out Yukon

950
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: in the championship, sure, I'm blow up.

951
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: And then the brackets come out they're in the same bracket.

952
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: That's just unbelievable.

953
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: And Saint John's still a five seed and you can

954
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: still a two seed.

955
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: Now.

956
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: I remember years ago I had a committee member join

957
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: us and I talked to him specifically about the how

958
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: much weight is there on the conference tournaments in terms

959
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 3: of seeding?

960
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: He said zero.

961
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: Zero, he goes by, he goes by the time we

962
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: get to the conference tournaments, we're holding our breath obviously

963
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 3: that a team that we don't already have in the

964
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: tournament suddenly gets that automatic bid and now we're scrambling

965
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: as far as at large bids. But think about, why

966
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: would Saint John's still have been a five seed after

967
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: blowing out Yukon in the Big East in that championship game.

968
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: Why was Yukon still a two seed after getting blown out?

969
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: By the way, understand this and I sort of root

970
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: for Patino. I mean, they're penalizing Patino. That's like their

971
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: worst nightmare about cal Perry wins on Sunday in Nashville.

972
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: They got to play an early game in Portland on Thursday,

973
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: but Patino got stripped of a championship. He was essentially expelled,

974
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: was expelled. He was coaching ware in Greece. Where was he?

975
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean it was like, you know, so was he

976
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: Pantheon and then and then then he was at Iona

977
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: and You're like, wow, this is he loves and then

978
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: he gets to Saint John's. But I mean, they're not

979
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: going to do him any favors. Like the worst nightmare

980
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: for them would need to see him hoist another championship

981
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: trophy at Saint John's because they well they tried everything

982
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: they could to expel him permanently from college basketball. I'd

983
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: give Saint John's credit for, you know, so many of

984
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: these schools. And I said this when they beat Yukon

985
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: or when they beat Kansas to go to the Sweet sixteen.

986
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: I said, there were dozens of high major jobs. Now

987
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: all of them weren't the right fit for him, and

988
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't the right fit vice versa. Places he wouldn't

989
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: have gone. But dozens of places could have hired Rick Patino,

990
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: and I believe he would be having the same success

991
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: there that he is at Saint John's, as long as

992
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: you gave him the financial resources to succeeed. But to

993
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: the seating question, so this is one thing that I

994
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: do understand but I disagree with is and you know

995
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: this your college hoops head. Up until about six or

996
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: seven years ago, one of the metrics that the committee

997
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: used was final ten games of the season, right, remember that, yes,

998
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: And it was basically essentially it was, hey, we're making

999
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: a field of sixty eight teams, whatever it is, thirty

1000
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: six at large bids. We want the thirty six best

1001
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: teams right now. And then, of course what ends up

1002
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: always happening is somebody complained, well, what about my great

1003
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: win in November? That doesn't count the same as the

1004
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: great win in March. And so basically the committee took

1005
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: that out as a trick of final ten games, saying

1006
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: that a great win in November shouldn't count less than

1007
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: a great win in late February or early March. But

1008
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: that is one that I disagree with because essentially Saint John's,

1009
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: by putting them on the five seed line, you're saying essentially,

1010
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: they's somewhere between the sixteenth and seventeenth and twentieth best

1011
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: team in the country. There was no one who watched

1012
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: them play yukon that Saturday at Madison Square Garden that

1013
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: felt that way about that Red Storms.

1014
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: Well, apparently what they do is there's two levels of

1015
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: criteria as they put the field together. One is to

1016
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: get in and I'm talking about the at large bids,

1017
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: and then there's the seating. So in other words, the

1018
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: point was made about Miami of Ohio. You know they

1019
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: end up in you know the first four were they

1020
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: the last at large team and they said no, they

1021
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: were comfortably in as an at large team. That's process one.

1022
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: Then processed two is the seeding. So really there's two

1023
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: different operations in terms of getting into the field as

1024
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 3: an at large and actually being seeded in the tournament.

1025
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: So look, I mean, whatever it is, you still gotta

1026
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: win all your games. No, And I mean whatever whatever,

1027
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: No one cares in the end, what the number is.

1028
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Next to you. It's about you know, just going out

1029
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: and playing and surviving events. No, and and it's you know,

1030
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: and that is part of it too, is that at

1031
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: some point you do eventually you're gonna have to play

1032
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: good teams. And like it's like, you know again, Arkansas,

1033
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: I thought they got screwed, but it's like, eventually you're

1034
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to play good teams, and eventually you're gonna

1035
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: have to be good teams. And so once the bracket

1036
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: comes out, you complain about it for a day, then

1037
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: you got to move on. All right.

1038
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: On the other side, we're gonna continue on with our

1039
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: coverage of the Well marshmad is going on right now.

1040
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: By days then we're gonna have a final four all set. Also,

1041
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna get into some NBA news, including the ongoing

1042
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: argument of the term most valuable. Oh, don't get me

1043
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: start your most valuable player. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

1044
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: Steve Harvin Aaron tours with it here Fox Sports Sunday.

1045
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: We're in the Fox Sports Radio studios. We're inside a

1046
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: minute to go here in the first half, Michigan and

1047
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: Tennessee and it's been all Wolverines after a close start

1048
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: to this game. Tennessee trying to get something here right

1049
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: before the half. Michigan with a steal and a forty

1050
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: three to twenty six lead, and they will get the

1051
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 3: final shot here the first half and there it is boom,

1052
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: Michigan up nineteen right now over Tennessee. Coming up, of

1053
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: course will be Yukon and Duke also getting ready for

1054
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 3: the second of the women's Elite Games going on today.

1055
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: After Yukon defeated Notre Dame seventy to fifty two, Ucla

1056
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: and Duke, as my UCLA Bruins, tried to get back

1057
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: to a second consecutive Final four. By the way, it's

1058
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: really difficult for me as a UCLA fan when we say, well,

1059
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: the last year was their first ever Final four and

1060
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: now the first time they're trying to go back to

1061
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: back final fours, and it hurts me because before women's

1062
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: basketball was moved into the NCAIA, they were in the

1063
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: AIAW SURE and there was two schools in the early

1064
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: years in the mid seventies, Immaculata Delta State, and they

1065
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 3: won these championships. And then in nineteen seventy eight, this

1066
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: is four years before the women moved into the NCAA,

1067
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: they had their first ever women's Final Four and it

1068
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: was held at Polly Pavilion and the champion was UCLA,

1069
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: led by Hall of famers Anne Myers. Denias Curry Hall

1070
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: of Fame, Coacha Billy Moore, and that banner hangs with

1071
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: the men's championship at Paully Pavilion, and then the following

1072
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 3: year the UCLA women got back to the Final four

1073
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy nine. It was that it never happened,

1074
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, I was at UCLA at the

1075
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: time it did happen. I saw it, and so I

1076
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: always have to qualify it. Like when I'm doing highlights,

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00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, I always say NCAA. Okay, first time ever

1078
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: NCAA Final four. They did have what they call the

1079
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: AIAW back in the day. All right, let's let's take

1080
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: a little detour right now as you get to halftime

1081
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: here this Michigan Tennessee game, and talk about your definition

1082
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: Aaron Torres of most valuable public?

1083
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Okay?

1084
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: What is your definition in any sport when we talk

1085
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: about most valuable player?

1086
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: Okay? So I will try to be quick because I

1087
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: know there's probably a lot of points you want to

1088
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: get to it. I don't want to steal the whole segment.

1089
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: Specifically in the NBA, and the rules are obviously different

1090
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: now with the sixty five game room, I said about

1091
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: four or five years ago, I said the NBA MVP

1092
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: Award should be renamed the Cool Stats Award. And what

1093
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: do I mean by that? Remember the year that Chris

1094
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: Paul got to the Phoenix Suns. Brie probably remembers, and

1095
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: they went from the worst team in the league to

1096
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: not only the NBA Finals, because I don't think it

1097
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: should be a postseason award, but it was. I think

1098
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: they were the one seed. If they were not, they

1099
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: were the two, the three, whatever. It was so obvious

1100
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: that he was the most valuable player in the league,

1101
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: and they gave it I believe to Yokic, who of

1102
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: course is an incredible player, but he was not more

1103
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: valuable and so to me. Ever since then, I call

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00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: the NBA Most Valuable Player the Cool Stats Award because

1105
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: it's about having cool stats. It's not about actual value.

1106
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what you wanted in an answer,

1107
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: but that is something I'm very passionate about. Guhad.

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: So we actually have a comparison in NBA MVP voting

1109
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: over the years. The first MVP award was handed out

1110
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: after the nineteen fifty five to fifty six season. Bob Pettitt,

1111
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: who by the Way is still alive and well, as

1112
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 3: is Bob Coosey, which is amazing. Two of the earliest

1113
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: stars are very much alive and well. From that year

1114
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 3: until the nineteen eighty season, when Kareem Abdul Jabbar won

1115
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: his sixth MVP Award award, the voting was done by

1116
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 3: the players.

1117
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

1118
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: So the official NBA MVP voting was done by the players.

1119
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: Between the fifty six and eighty season. Starting in nineteen

1120
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: eighty one, your doctor j won his only NBA MVP award,

1121
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: the voting has been done by the media. Now why

1122
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: is that important. Well, let's go back to the very

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00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: famous Wilt Chamberlain nineteen sixty two season when he averaged

1124
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: fifty point four points per game for the entire year. Now,

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00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 3: if you had that kind of a season in this

1126
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: day and age, there would be no argument about Most

1127
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: Valuable Player. He would hand it to a man that

1128
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: averages over fifty points a game. Will Chamberlain did not

1129
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 3: win the award that year, and it wasn't even close.

1130
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: Bill Russell won in an overwhelming vote. Bill Russell won

1131
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: five MVP awards. When the players are voting because they

1132
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 3: felt to go by the letter of the law, who

1133
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 3: is more valuable to their team? Was that the same

1134
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: year Ascar for a triple double two? I ask it

1135
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: was he didn't win any MVP award with a triple

1136
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: that he would win one award in sixty four, which

1137
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 3: was almost weird that when you look back, like.

1138
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: How did he actually break through?

1139
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: But it was a year where the Cincinnati Royals actually

1140
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: only finished four games behind the Boston Celtics that year,

1141
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: so they had a big breakout year in terms of wins.

1142
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: So the players recognized Oscar for the great player that

1143
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: he was. Then, of course Will goes to Philadelphia and

1144
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: he wins three straight MVP awards because now he's starting

1145
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: to play like Bill Russell. He's more of a distributor

1146
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: than he is a guy just pouring in points. So

1147
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: that gets back to what you're talking about. Your criteria

1148
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: in terms of your mere presence on the court dramatically

1149
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: changed the fortunes of this team. That's the way it

1150
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: should be in terms of most Valuable Player. So let's

1151
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 3: talk about the current MVP. So you look at Jokic,

1152
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: let's start right there. So he is trying to become

1153
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: the first personnel technically, way back in the day, they

1154
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: went not by points per game or rebounds.

1155
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: Per game, was totals.

1156
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: So we'll Chamberlain, technically, by NBA standards, led the league

1157
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: in both rebounds and assists in nineteen sixty eight, but

1158
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: now we don't look count it because Oscar Robertson averaged

1159
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: more per game.

1160
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1161
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: But now Jokic is trying to become the first player

1162
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: ever to lead the league in both rebounds and assists

1163
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: in the same season, and honestly, it's not even close.

1164
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: Plus the fact that he's averaging four or five points

1165
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: more per game than Wimby is, who, by the way,

1166
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: is playing less than thirty minutes a night for San Antonio.

1167
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: So let's just start right there. So you're staring at

1168
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: your MVP ballot, and you're staring at the names of

1169
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: Jokic and Wimby, forget everybody else for the moment. Who

1170
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: would you list first this season based on their production

1171
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: and their value to their teams? Who has been more

1172
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 2: valuable to their teams this year? Victor Webban Yama or

1173
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: Nikola jokicch Okay, So this is tough, and I'll let

1174
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: me let me say this. Okay, and I want you

1175
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: to let me explain myself. So like so, my first

1176
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: instinct would be Wemby, that Wemby is more valuable to

1177
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: his team. But when you frame it in the way

1178
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: that you did, I am now thinking, Am I giving

1179
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: the recency bias of a team that two years ago

1180
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: last year was in the NBA draft lottery drafted Dylan Harper?

1181
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: Am I giving too much credit to just the year

1182
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: over a year leap of the team and not Wemby

1183
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: himself's actual value? And so I would lean Wemby. But

1184
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: when you laid it out, and when I really had

1185
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: to step back and just really take a deep breath

1186
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: about it, there's probably a stronger argument for nicolea Jokic.

1187
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: And I want to throw it back to you. Before

1188
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: I do, I would ask, was Kate Cunningham in your

1189
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: opinion in conversation prior to the collapse? Absolutely? Okay. I

1190
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: mean we're talking about a team that won fourteen games

1191
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: two years ago, because that's who I would have had

1192
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: prior to the collapse. Lug He's not gonna when you

1193
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: talk about.

1194
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: Jamie Bickerstaff, the roster of this year's Pistons team is

1195
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: not all that different from two years ago.

1196
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: I know. I mean your main guys were there two

1197
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: years ago. Part of that's Kate Cunningham, a lot of us,

1198
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: A big part of it is Kate Cunningham, and then

1199
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: you got Shay Gilders Alexander.

1200
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 4: So.

1201
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: One of the things that has always bothered me about

1202
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: NBA MVP voting from the media is what we call

1203
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: voter fatigue. Yes, which I might have had to get

1204
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: with Jokich, but keep going, Okay, it's ridiculous. One of

1205
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 3: the things I appreciate about the NHL Awards. They gave

1206
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 3: Gretzky eight straight MVP awards, Okay, eight in a row.

1207
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: Because he was that Jordan.

1208
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: You know, they gave Barkley one in Phoenix in ninety three,

1209
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: they gave Malone a couple of you know, one of

1210
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: them in ninety seven when obviously Jordan was still in

1211
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: his heyday with the Bulls.

1212
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, with the all due respect, come on, I mean, seriously,

1213
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: the most valuable player in all those years was Michael Jordan. Sure,

1214
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: no player had a greater impact on his team the

1215
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: league than Michael Jordan in his heyday in the Chicago.

1216
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: So I hate that part of it.

1217
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: I also hate the part of the Well, let's just

1218
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 3: give it to the guy that has the best numbers

1219
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: for the team with the best record. Remember Dirk Devitsky

1220
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: winning that hate the MVP Award for Dallas that year.

1221
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: You know, the Steve Nash back to backs were a

1222
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: little weird in respect. I got a Suns fan in

1223
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: the house, gotta be careful.

1224
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: Well, I'm you know, it's it's nothing against Steve Nash.

1225
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: But not only did he win back to back MVPC,

1226
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: he finished second. I mean, like suddenly he's the guy

1227
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: in the NBA. Now there was a little stranger there.

1228
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: But what do you say with Shay Gildet's Alexander who

1229
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: obviously just broke a Wilt Chamberlain's scoring record, which is impressive,

1230
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 3: Like you always look at Wilt Chamberlain any kind of

1231
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: scoring record that he said is being untouchable. Will he

1232
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: sets the record from most consecutive twenty point games?

1233
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: Uh?

1234
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: Technically, okay, see's still sitting a top right now, best

1235
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 3: overall record? Say is their number one guy? Where do

1236
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: you weigh in in terms of being most valuable player?

1237
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 3: Shay Gills as Alexander?

1238
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he's in the conversation, but doesn't like I

1239
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: understand he won MVP last year and I you know whatever,

1240
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: and they won the championship game seven, tyres, tyres, Aliburton

1241
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: gets hurt. Doesn't. The Thunder though, feel like a sum

1242
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: is greater than the parts team, even with Shay gilsess Alexander,

1243
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: because like general.

1244
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Thunder, the Thunder is such a bizarre team. They were

1245
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 3: so blase winning here. They go seven games in the

1246
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: NBA Finals. You know, Haliburton was out. That saved probably

1247
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: saved their season, and they win the championship. I've never

1248
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: seen a group so unexcited. They were so blase. It

1249
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: was just like, oh okay, yeah. And they've basically been

1250
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: sleepwalking through this year. They they you know, there have

1251
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 3: been a little They had the great start and then

1252
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 3: recently they had a run in between. They just sort

1253
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 3: of a lolligag through the season. I'm very anxious to

1254
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: see how this is all gonna play out with the

1255
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: playoffs coming up here, And to me, Shay Gill just

1256
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: sort of exemplifies that, yes, that attitude. Basically he is

1257
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: the personality of that team where nothing seems to be

1258
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: all that exciting.

1259
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. There's nothing that you like, Wow,

1260
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: did you did you watch the Thunder? Even though even

1261
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: when they're winning games there was a twelve points margin

1262
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: and margin victory is off the charts, and you never

1263
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: seem to say, like the next day, man, did you

1264
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: did you see the Thunder? No one says that. No,

1265
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: And I'll say this, and I'd be curious for your perspective.

1266
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: I do feel that with Wemby, of like, I listen,

1267
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: do I watch all any two games? Of course not.

1268
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm a college hoops guy. I'm busy this time of

1269
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: the year, forgive me. But Wemby is like and clearly

1270
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: it's because he's massive, but like, you can't take your

1271
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: eyes off from when he's on the court. Okay.

1272
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 3: I on the other side, I want to get into

1273
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: this why I believe Wemby can never be the face

1274
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 3: of the NBA.

1275
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: Oh, let's go never. I have a coldest question for

1276
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: you too, by the way, all right, I'm ready for that,

1277
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: but first let's find out what is trendy. Right now,

1278
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: we welcome Backrie.

1279
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 4: I just want to say the second MVP for the

1280
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 4: for Steve nash Amari Stodemeyer had missed seventy nine games

1281
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 4: and they still made it to the Western College Shots.

1282
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: Well, again, you can't count the playoffs because it is

1283
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: a regular season award and it's voted on before the playoffs.

1284
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: At ye. Again, it's not a matter of that.

1285
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 3: It just seems like when you think about guys that

1286
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: have won multiple MVPs, the name of Steve Nash somehow

1287
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: doesn't quite roll off.

1288
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 6: The tongue for you to Kobe really deserve I get it.

1289
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he was one of those you know, fifty

1290
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: to forty ninety guys, you know, fifty ninety free throws

1291
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: everything else.

1292
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, well I just wanted to wrap that

1293
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 4: up because I didn't really understand are you.

1294
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: Kind of look at the media. It's a consensus vote.

1295
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: It's not like one guy voting, And.

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01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 6: Okay, I just wanted to just just wanted to just try.

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01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 2: Are you happy with your sons right now?

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1299
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 4: Actually, I mean we had a like there was like

1300
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 4: a five game losing streak, but we're trying to, you know,

1301
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 4: turn that around. First year Jordan ought from I think

1302
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 4: b YU or the Cavaliers or whatever.

1303
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 6: He was an assistant call.

1304
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 3: By the way, this week, the Naysmith Basketball Hall of

1305
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: Fame is going to be announcing in a new one.

1306
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: Deductees and Amari Stotdermeyer one of the finalists this year.

1307
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 6: I'm excited for that already.

1308
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: Guy, by the way, that is still one of the

1309
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: great Injustices two thousand and seven, suspended for the most

1310
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: crucial game.

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01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 4: Oh oh my god. No, that's traumatizing. I can't that

1312
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: like gets me. That gets me so angry. I'll never

1313
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 4: get over that.

1314
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: That's I remember where I was a student at Yukon.

1315
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: I remember watching at the bar being like, I remember

1316
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 2: watching the game after the game they were suspended for

1317
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: and being like, this is the biggest krocket, you know whatever.

1318
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: But I was also a huge San Antonio no no, no,

1319
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: like I was a huge Nash Amari Stottmeyer Sean Marion fans.

1320
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 6: So yeah, when when stotto Meyer came off that I'm

1321
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 6: the whole thing.

1322
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 4: And I'll never and like Robert or like and I

1323
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 4: live in LA and everybody just loves Robert Ory and

1324
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, and every time I hear that name,

1325
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 4: I like Chris.

1326
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: But do you see thing about Robert or is it

1327
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 3: was genius of Robert Orry. Yay, he baited them and they.

1328
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 6: Bit Okay, okay.

1329
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert or is a super smart basketball player. That's

1330
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 3: why he's part of seven championship teams. And he baited

1331
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 3: the Sons and they.

1332
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 6: Will he be in the Hall of Fame? Is he

1333
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame?

1334
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 3: Or he is not in the Hall of the week

1335
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 3: Are you going to be? We could do an endless discussion.

1336
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 3: First of all, there's one person of the votes for

1337
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: the Natesmith basketball there's no honors.

1338
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: They say they have an honors committee. That's anonymous.

1339
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 3: Jerry Colangelo makes all the choices period period. Yes, remember

1340
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 3: Walter Davis after he passed away magically out of nowhere,

1341
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: ends up in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

1342
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: Oh that's rying Phoenix suns. Okay, No, I was gonna say,

1343
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: I remember, uh I lost my train. I thought for

1344
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: he just keep going.

1345
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 4: I'm coming to I'm the Queen of losing my train.

1346
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 4: I thought I wrote it down all right. In the

1347
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 4: Midwest Regional Final of the Elite Eight, Michigan started slow,

1348
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 4: but they're now dominating Tennessee forty eight twenty six at halftime,

1349
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 4: Yakseelle Landenborg leading the way with fifteen points and four assist.

1350
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 4: Later on today at five oh five Eastern time in

1351
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 4: the East Regional Final.

1352
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 6: I'm calling it the blue but blue blood battle.

1353
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 4: Like I say that faster, Duke will take on Yukon

1354
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: in the Elite eight on the women's side. Undefeated one

1355
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 4: seed Yukon, congratulations. Aaron Torres had a slow start but

1356
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 4: pulled away in the second half to defeat six seed

1357
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: Notre Dame seventy to fifty two for their fifty fourth

1358
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 4: straight win and twenty fifth Final four appearance. Freshman Blanca

1359
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 4: Gagnones had twenty points off the bench for the Huskies,

1360
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 4: and right now, three seed Duke is leading one seed

1361
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 4: Ucla fifteen to eleven, three minutes left to go in

1362
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 4: the first quarter. In hockey, the Rangers just defeated the

1363
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 4: Panthers three to one. In Major League Baseball, I'm gonna

1364
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 4: Taka Murakami has hit a home run in each of

1365
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 4: his first three as a Chicago White Sox.

1366
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 6: They are white socks, white sock, Okay, I don't know.

1367
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 6: I'll never get that. They're beating the Brewers seven to two.

1368
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 6: It's the bottom of the fourth inning.

1369
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 4: Rasor defeating the Cardinals six to four, and Nationals are

1370
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 4: edging the Cups three to two.

1371
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 3: Back to you guys, who is the one that decided

1372
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 3: to spell socks s o X for both the Red

1373
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: Sox and the White Sox, because they wouldn't that way

1374
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 3: over one hundred years, at some point someone had said,

1375
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: we get well, instead of the normal spelling, we'll do.

1376
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: S o X. I feel like if there's someone that

1377
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: I would know that would have the answer to that

1378
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: question would be and when I don't have, it just

1379
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: hit me though, because you're right, are you a white

1380
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 2: sock or you a white Sox?

1381
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: Should I say white Sox player? That's probably the best way.

1382
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Thank you for having an individual sock.

1383
01:07:54,840 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 3: Exactly, it's multiple socks. It's like the difference between the

1384
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: NBA finals and the Stanley Cup Final. Yep, when you

1385
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 3: think about it, final makes sense. There's not multiple You say, well,

1386
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 3: there's multiple games. Yeah, but there's only one final? Or

1387
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 3: is it the finals? Do you prefer Stanley Cuff Final

1388
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 3: or NBA Finals?

1389
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: Probably? Finals, but more so because that's probably just the

1390
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 2: way I've always thought of it.

1391
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: Now.

1392
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:28,759
Speaker 2: I do remember being lectured by Canadian coworkers, no NH

1393
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: and make sure you don't say NHL this that it's

1394
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup Final. So yes, yeah, Stanley Cup Final.

1395
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: By the way, with the IHEARTRADIOPP, you can stream us

1396
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,800
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1397
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1401
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Speaker 3: is one of your presets in the iHeart app, so

1402
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Speaker 3: it'll always pop up at the top of your screen.

1403
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna explain to you why Wimby will

1404
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: never be accepted as the face of the NBA.

1405
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: The two main reasons can't wait. Reason number one, he

1406
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 2: is Goliath. He's not relatable to any normal human being.

1407
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,480
Speaker 2: Sure we cannot relate to a seven foot five individual.

1408
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: It has that kind of athletic stuff.

1409
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 3: Secondly, he's French, so our face in our sport needs

1410
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: to be American. This is a problem that a lot

1411
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 3: of great foreign born players have had a Major League

1412
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 3: baseball Derek Jeter was an American.

1413
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: You don't think Shoeo Tani is the face of baseball

1414
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: right now? Though you're trying to figure out your way

1415
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 2: out of this one.

1416
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: But well, I'm just saying what I'm trying to figure

1417
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: out is the dynamic internationally, he is obviously.

1418
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge is in the mix. In the mix, Yeah

1419
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: that's not so, but be a very rare exception though.

1420
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: But when you think of faces of the NBA, I

1421
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 3: mean Steph Curry was the perfect face of the mbaw

1422
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 3: agree because he was a normal sized individual and you

1423
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 3: do extraordinary things, and he's an American. Lebron's drawback is

1424
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 3: he's such a physical specimen. It wasn't like Jordan or

1425
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 3: Kobe or Bird or Magic.

1426
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 2: You know, he was too big.

1427
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: It was just the physical dominance I think held him

1428
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: back in terms of being acknowledged as a face of

1429
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 3: a league. That's why Steph Curry, as soon as he

1430
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: had success, immediately just leapfrog right over Lebron to become

1431
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 3: the face of the NBA. So while Wimby is a

1432
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: curiosity to say the least, I don't think he would

1433
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 3: ever be fully accepted, especially if his physical dominance becomes

1434
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 3: a dominant force and winning a multiple champion of anything,

1435
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 3: his stock will go down.

1436
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: Not up. I will say there becomes a time where

1437
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: sometimes guys. And I don't know if you would ever

1438
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: use the word power to describe Wemby, but there's so

1439
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: much bigger than anyone else that it seems unfair. I

1440
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: remember growing up on the East Coast during the Shaq

1441
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: and Kobe days, and I just remember my mom was like,

1442
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: I can't even watch this. It's not fair because Shaq

1443
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: was so much bigger and stronger, and there was when

1444
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 2: he was locked in no real way to stop him, basically,

1445
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: And so it's an interesting theory on Wenby is is

1446
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: he's so much bigger than everybody else and still as

1447
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: skilled that it will we will get to a point

1448
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 2: where it feels unfair that he's that big in that.

1449
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 3: Skilled well at any point. As much as Shaq is

1450
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 3: one of the most engaging individuals the NBA has ever had,

1451
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 3: and he's he's popular, but was he ever the face

1452
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 3: of the NBA.

1453
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 2: That's a better question for you. Probably not.

1454
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 3: See there's a difference. Again, we were talking about most

1455
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: valuable player. You could talk about, you know, the statistically

1456
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 3: dominant player. Let me ask you this, but face of

1457
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: the league is a totally different thing. Does the NBA

1458
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 3: always have to have a face or is there gaps

1459
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 3: where there is not.

1460
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is you will never have a face

1461
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan. But that's what I'm asking. So like

1462
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: he retires in ninety eight, we know by like the

1463
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: mid to late two thousands it's probably Kobe. But I

1464
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't argue in one O two oh three it was Kobe.

1465
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 2: I would just argue there is no face, right, No,

1466
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 2: not at that point, That's what I'm saying. But and again,

1467
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you could still make an argument. At that

1468
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,879
Speaker 2: time the best player in the league was Tim Duncan,

1469
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: who was never anything. I mean. But again, Duncan, even

1470
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 2: though he played at Wake Forest foreign warrant player, you

1471
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 2: know that he was more. He was boring than anybody

1472
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 2: anything else, right, and he didn't want that.

1473
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we can go back to Mike Trout, sure,

1474
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: who never is wanted to be the face of major

1475
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 3: League baseball ever. Sure, I mean I was around Trout

1476
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: when you know, suddenly is doing things and this dynamic

1477
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 3: I mean historically dynamic presence of major League baseball.

1478
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: You're thinking of this perfect right, here's your face. You

1479
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: know Jeter was gone, this is your new face, and

1480
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: no way, yep, no way. Yeah, he's tough. I uh, yeah, know,

1481
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 2: I'd be curious if if by definition we have to

1482
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: have a face. I'll also say this, I was the

1483
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 2: I believe. I believe I could be wrong, but I

1484
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 2: believe I was the first person to propose anywhere in

1485
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: sports media, could Kate Cunningham be the face of American basketball?

1486
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: Because it was about a year and a half ago

1487
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: when everybody's trying to shove Anthony Edwards down our throat

1488
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: and this and that and so one. This is my

1489
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 2: college hoops background, but I remember, and I've said this

1490
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: on air now, but I said, I remember interviewing Kate

1491
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: Cunningham when he was sixteen years old, and you thought

1492
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: you were talking to a thirty five year old, And

1493
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: I said, this is the kind of person that you

1494
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: want as the face of the league. And the Thatts

1495
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 2: were really good at the time, but the team wasn't.

1496
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: And just knowing how he operates, I knew at some

1497
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 2: point the team success would catch up to the individual success.

1498
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 2: So I don't even think we're there yet with Kate

1499
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 2: cutting him. I think certainly if he had won the MVP,

1500
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 2: Pistons get the one seed, make some sort of playoff run,

1501
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: it becomes a conversation that was mostly just for me

1502
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: to give myself a little pat on the back.

1503
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 7: I want to back up Aaron on this and also

1504
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 7: undercut them because I think it was like two years

1505
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 7: ago I said something on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I

1506
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 7: got a ton of pushback at the time from Doug,

1507
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 7: of all people, who was like an Oklahoma State guy.

1508
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 7: I thought he would have loved Caid and he's like, no, no, no,

1509
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 7: Caid can't be the face of the league. But it

1510
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 7: was during those years we were arguing Jason Tatum. No, no,

1511
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 7: I'm actually just in support of you on this that

1512
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 7: there is a possibility that Caid can become as Jaron

1513
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:51,879
Speaker 7: Tata qualifier.

1514
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum would seem to check the boxes except for

1515
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 3: one big problem.

1516
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 2: He's so boring. I mean, you talk about boring, that's

1517
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: that's like my trout. Yeah, I mean, Jason Tatum is

1518
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 2: just a really boring individual. Doesn't take away from his

1519
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 2: incredible skill set as a basketball and I worry Onkaid.

1520
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 7: Part of that mark against him might be playing for

1521
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 7: the Pistons, and the Pistons just is as I mean,

1522
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 7: I'm saying spartially, as a Pistons fan, but the Pistons

1523
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 7: brand doesn't exactly carry that power that it used to have,

1524
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 7: like like he would have to play for someone like

1525
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 7: the Lakers or the Knicks or unfortunately for a big,

1526
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 7: big market.

1527
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can't anoint somebody as the

1528
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: face thank you.

1529
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, people, they will create that if the public decides

1530
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: this is the face of a sport. That's how it happens.

1531
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: It's like giving yourself a nick name. You can't give

1532
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 3: it yourself a nickname. A nickname has to be given

1533
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 3: to you.

1534
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: Did you see you see Caleb will Williams trademarked iceman.

1535
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 7: I will get Kevin Duranton the whole slim Reaper thing.

1536
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 2: Stop that that.

1537
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 3: Well, there's also the black Mamba back in the day.

1538
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 3: Where did that come from? Oh that's right himself?

1539
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 2: No, Nike actually apparently.

1540
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 3: Okay, coming up there, So I will get you right

1541
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 3: back to what's going on. As far as by the way,

1542
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 3: the UCLA women are down to Duke right now. What

1543
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 3: is going on?

1544
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: Twenty eight game winning streak on the line. As someone

1545
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: who has a matchup with Duke later, I'm not going

1546
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: to count my chickens before they that.

1547
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens much more. March Man is coming

1548
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 3: up here. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harmin, Aaron

1549
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 3: touris with you, Fox Sports Sunday. We're in the Fox

1550
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: Sports Radio studios. Not a lot of suspense here in

1551
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 3: this matchup between Michigan and Tennessee sixty to thirty four.

1552
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: I called it early. I said, I don't know. You know,

1553
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: you were giving them the final four gear. Yeah, And

1554
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know. You don't see a twenty

1555
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: six point come back here in the second half. Now,

1556
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: So Michigan's going to go move on, which you're gonna

1557
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: leave one spot left. That means you got a one

1558
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 2: seed Michigan, you got a one seed Arizona, you got

1559
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 2: a three seed Illinois one versus two. Duke and Yukon

1560
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: coming up here, and I'm going to be very anxious, Aaron.

1561
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: I want you to text me if you actually get

1562
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: back to your place in time for the opening tip. Okay,

1563
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: all right, let's see. Yeah. So I think it is

1564
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: as you say, traffic, hey, minutes not traffic, and you're

1565
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 2: gonna have about a ten minute window. Okay, I will

1566
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: text you.

1567
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 3: I'm want to see how that works. So we will

1568
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 3: then get our final four set on the men's side

1569
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 3: on the lady side right now, already Yukon has moved

1570
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 3: on to how many final four?

1571
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 2: Final?

1572
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 4: What?

1573
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: Five? How about that? That is pretty quick if you're Gino.

1574
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 3: By the way, amongst men, the all time record is

1575
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 3: twenty one. North Carolina is twenty one, UCLA is nineteen.

1576
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 3: Although I always have to circle a little bit on this,

1577
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 3: the first North Carolina Final four was in nineteen forty six. Sure,

1578
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 3: there were only eight teams in the tournament. Oh so

1579
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 3: does that count to go to the final four when

1580
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: they were only eight teams? Well, I technically is the

1581
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 3: final four, but they get credit for a final they

1582
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: actually lost the championship game that game?

1583
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 7: Is that the age where the NIT was considered better

1584
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 7: than the NCH they were on the same level. Let's

1585
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 7: put it that way.

1586
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: Question, you could only play in one of two? You

1587
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: couldn't played, But no you could? Oh you CCFI. Yeah,

1588
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: that's why I don't know. Teams could play in both.

1589
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 3: Back in the day, there was some opportunity that that

1590
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 3: CCNY City College of New York won both the NCAA

1591
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: and NIT championship in nineteen fifty but in those days,

1592
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 3: the NCAA Championships was only eight schools. They expanded to

1593
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 3: sixteen and nineteen fifty one. But right now UCLA looking

1594
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 3: to get to back to back final Force, trailing Duke

1595
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 3: by a score of twenty nine to twenty three with

1596
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 3: five minutes to go in the second quarter of that game.

1597
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: All right, we've been talking a little, MBA. Can I

1598
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 2: ask my Lakers question? Okay, throw me? Do you what

1599
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: was the topic that you wanted? No? No, you give me

1600
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: your Laker question. Has Lebron killed the Lakers brand in La?

1601
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like it's as big as it's

1602
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: it was when I moved here in twenty twelve, last

1603
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 2: fully healthy year of Kobe Bryant.

1604
01:18:54,360 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: I will say this, the Bus family, post passing of

1605
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 3: Jerry ruin the brand of the Lakers. So and this

1606
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 3: is no disrespect. I've known Genie Bus a long time.

1607
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: She's an absolute sweetheart. I love Genie Bus. I have

1608
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 3: nothing against any of the Bus family, but the idea

1609
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 3: of this family operation that they ran ran the Lakers

1610
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 3: right into I think about this since the passing of

1611
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 3: Jerry Buss, which was in twenty thirteen, Ok. They've had

1612
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 3: every year since then, with the exception of two years

1613
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: the Bubble Championship and their miracle run a couple of

1614
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 3: years ago to the West Finals, they have either missed

1615
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 3: the playoffs entirely or been.

1616
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: Bounced in the first round. Now, I don't realize and

1617
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: understand this through the When they won the NBA Championship

1618
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, the Lakers, counting their Minneapolis years, had

1619
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: been in the NBA for sixty two seasons. They had

1620
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 2: made it to the finals thirty one times.

1621
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 3: Wow, thirty one out of sixty two.

1622
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: Half of those years they had made it to the finals.

1623
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: Not bad.

1624
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 3: Will change, Mark Warner Guggenheim Group. They are going to

1625
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 3: clean house after this season and they are going to

1626
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: build much as they've done with the Dodgers. I know

1627
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: the dynamics are different because there's a salary cap and

1628
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 3: everything gets in the NBA. But these are business people.

1629
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: It's not going to be about, you know, personal relationships

1630
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: or anything else. They're going to look at it as

1631
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 3: a business. How do we build a championship team? And

1632
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 3: based on their track record, I trust they will do.

1633
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 2: Just that, all right, So they go on that all right?

1634
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: Coming up much more on the March madness planning to

1635
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: talk about on a busy Sunday.

1636
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: This is Fox Sports Sunday. Are your brackets still alive?

1637
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 3: Are you one of the very few that actually are

1638
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: still in contention to win your bracket challenge? Me personally,

1639
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 3: that ended almost immediately.

1640
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: Why you know what? You know what I knew I

1641
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: was doing with my brackets.

1642
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 3: So remember last year, Aaron, or maybe you don't, I

1643
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 3: had a sixteen and o first day.

1644
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: Here at Fox Sports Radio. You know, they still talk

1645
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: about it. I still talk about all the nauseum.

1646
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: So I did a perfect sixteen and oh the first day,

1647
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm a thirteen was the highest of anybody else here.

1648
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 3: There's usually there's thirty nine hosts. That's usual number, like

1649
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 3: thirty five to forty of us will enter a bracket challenge.

1650
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 3: I was sixteen and oh, I still cannot. I was

1651
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 3: watching the last game like like billion dollars warm buffett,

1652
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: I am, I am. I have a perfect first day

1653
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 3: sixteen and O. Unfortunately, and I was still leading all

1654
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: the way until the Elite eight and then.

1655
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: It just collapsed on me. I don't remember.

1656
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 3: The teams have lost the time Elite A just like

1657
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 3: my entire Elite A just wiped out in two days.

1658
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: But what about this year? You said? So this year

1659
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 2: day one.

1660
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at, you know, my brackets, and I'm like,

1661
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: all right, let's see where are the upsets.

1662
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: Where's that twelve five?

1663
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 3: And I always I even venture into the thirteen four

1664
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at a thirteen to four and I said,

1665
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 3: all right, no one else is going to have this,

1666
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 3: and I'm going to have it Troy over Nebraska. So

1667
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: the reason obviously, Nebraska had never won a NCAA tournament

1668
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 3: game in their history, the only Power five team that

1669
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 3: had never won an NCAA tournament game. And then I was,

1670
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, so reading up on Troy, I'm like, oh,

1671
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 3: I don't know much about Troy's team this year. The

1672
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 3: more I read about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,

1673
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 3: that's going to happen Nebraska. That's the story. Like Nebraska

1674
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 3: still has never won it. Nebraska One's like by twenty

1675
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 3: I was like a freaking blow out. I'm like, I'm

1676
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 3: in trouble. I mean, every single upset that I picked

1677
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 3: this year lost all of them. I didn't pick a

1678
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 3: single upset correct, Wow, not one? So out of thirty

1679
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 3: nine names. I am in thirty fourth place right now.

1680
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: Ah, that's not so bad. So I've never been in

1681
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: contention this show. Where are you right now? I'd be

1682
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 2: lying if I said I know. All I know is

1683
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: I was I had didn't you win two years ago

1684
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: with Yukon? Yeah, but that was I mean, I can't

1685
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: take too much credit. I picked Ukon. I think I

1686
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 2: finished third that year because I rode your bandwagon with Yukon.

1687
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: Well it was also as much as I despised Perdue

1688
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: and Zach Edy. You saw the draw and you're like,

1689
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: nobody can beat that team in that draw, and so

1690
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: then you got him in the final four. Whatever. But yeah, no,

1691
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: so I don't know where I'm at. I will say,

1692
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: you know, I host a SERVI I host a survivor pool.

1693
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 2: It was down to seventy seven on Friday. I was

1694
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: limited in who I could take. I had Iowa State

1695
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: in essentially all of my promaining survivors, and so I

1696
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: will never forgive the State of Iowa for what they

1697
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: did me. Oh, the state of Iowa was very nice

1698
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,480
Speaker 2: to me the night before when I had them over Nebraska.

1699
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I had I had Arizona over Florida

1700
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 2: in my tight game. So I'm guessing I'm not at

1701
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: the top of the bracket standings right now. Jmack of

1702
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: all people's leading going anty. I gotta give j Mack

1703
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: credit because I went on the herd when he was

1704
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 2: filling in and he was pushing Illinois down my throat

1705
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: and I was caught up on the well they lost

1706
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: the opener of the Big Ten tournament, and history says,

1707
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. He's like, dude, they're good, and that

1708
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: is the one team. As much as I watched this sport,

1709
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 2: I remember watching their second round game against VCU, and

1710
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: VCU's quick and they're athletic, and to your point, nineteen

1711
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: point lead. They win this incredible game against UNC and

1712
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: they couldn't do anything, and I was like, oh, Illinois

1713
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 2: is way better than I realized. So, but I had

1714
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 2: used them in all my survivors, so I couldn't use

1715
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 2: them against Houston. I didn't think they would beat Houston.

1716
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: Once that team, once that region got down to four,

1717
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: I said, they're going to the final. I don't know.

1718
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 3: I was really You know, a lot of times when

1719
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 3: you start with your brackets, you feel a real rhythm

1720
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 3: like Okay, yeah, okay, this is guy feel good, Like

1721
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm feeling good about this.

1722
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: It was I had no feel this year.

1723
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 3: Sure, So let me ask you us because we were

1724
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 3: talking a little bit earlier about this whole dynamic in

1725
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 3: college sports in general with the transfer portal and nil money,

1726
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 3: and as you said very accurately, you are you have

1727
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 3: to re recruit all your players every year. So you

1728
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 3: recruit a player and then you got to re recruit

1729
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,480
Speaker 3: your player for them to stay the next season. And

1730
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 3: by the way, it's halftime right now, Duke leading UCLA

1731
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: on a twenty eight game winning street thirty nine to

1732
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 3: thirty one.

1733
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: This is on the women's side. On the women's For

1734
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 2: people who are like that, I thought they're playing to your content.

1735
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: And when I'm saying Ucla these dates, it's always about

1736
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 3: the women at the men unfortunately. Anyway, So when we

1737
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 3: when we talk about evaluating these teams, would you say

1738
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: coaches matter even more?

1739
01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Is it possible?

1740
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 3: Because we know that the coaches are the dominant force

1741
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 3: in college basketball, but is their presence even more of

1742
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 3: a factor now in terms of how to navigate and

1743
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 3: go deep into the NC TURNM So you're talking about

1744
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 3: specifically in the tournament or just just talking about the

1745
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 3: tournament itself, because that's what we're all talking about. Is Yeah,

1746
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 3: I still think there is a matter of luck to

1747
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 3: it where I think coaching becomes an even bigger factor.

1748
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody about this yesterday. Actually is

1749
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: I think we're at the tail end of convincing boosters

1750
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: to just write blank checks. And I don't you know,

1751
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 2: we heard reports of Kentucky's roster being north of twenty

1752
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: two million dollars last year. And I bring it up

1753
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: because I think the next three to five years it

1754
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: is all going to be about, Yes, you're going to

1755
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 2: need a baseline level of money, but it is going

1756
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: to be about evaluation and development. Right, So you look

1757
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 2: at the Florida Gators, right, Tommy Hawk, the wing player,

1758
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 2: he's going to be a lottery pick. He was like

1759
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: the one hundred and eighty ninth ranked player in his

1760
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 2: high school class. You sign them, you develop him, he

1761
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: becomes a star. You know, you look at you know,

1762
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: Michigan's brought out the best example. But Arizona signed Jaden

1763
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: Bradley off of a disappointing season at Alabama. He's a

1764
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 2: transfer but he comes in as a backup transfer and

1765
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 2: then he develops within your program into the Big twelve

1766
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 2: player of the year. So I think for two or

1767
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: three years it has become just about raise a bunch

1768
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 2: of money and just hand it out like your Oprah

1769
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 2: handing out cars, you know. And I think this next

1770
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: couple of years it's really going to be about recruiting,

1771
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,799
Speaker 2: retention development within the program.

1772
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 3: You mentioned Bill self. By the way, Bill Self did

1773
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 3: one of the great interviews I ever did.

1774
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: With a college basketball coach.

1775
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 3: So, when they won the national championship in two thousand

1776
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 3: and eight, then an unbelievable collapse by Memphis when Chris

1777
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,799
Speaker 3: Douglas Roberts couldn't make a free throw, and then Chalmers

1778
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,480
Speaker 3: hits the three to send an overtime, Kansas wins championship.

1779
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 2: And I was there. I was there in San Antonio

1780
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 2: for that.

1781
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: So a couple months later, we get bel Self on

1782
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 3: the show and I asked him, I said, so, coach,

1783
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 3: have you had a chance to go back and watch

1784
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 3: the championship game? He paused, he goes, I have watched

1785
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 3: that game every single wow night.

1786
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I go every night.

1787
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 3: It goes every single night he goes. The great part

1788
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: of that game is it's the greatest.

1789
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: Ending to a show I've ever seen him life. He

1790
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: was the best.

1791
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 3: I absolutely love Bill self, But this whole situation this

1792
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 3: year with Darren Peterson has really got him flipping. I mean,

1793
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 3: he's it's been tough. I mean they you know after

1794
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 3: winning the championship in twenty twenty two, that that championships

1795
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: over really came out of nowhere.

1796
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: Obviously he had much better.

1797
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 3: Teams, but you know, pieces game together, they win the

1798
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 3: twenty two championship.

1799
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't even gotten the Sweet sixteen since, Yes,

1800
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: four straight years, so that's four straight years of you know,

1801
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: first weekend exits. But the way the Peterson thing played

1802
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: out this year, and there was a lot of controversy,

1803
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 2: was he really hurt? Was he doing load management? I

1804
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: mean what were we I was looking a forefront of

1805
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: that conversation. Yes, well give me give me the insight there.

1806
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: What was the real story behind Peter? Were there legitimate

1807
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 2: injuries or was he basically saying I have no choice,

1808
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 2: I have to you know? And how does this ultimately

1809
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 2: affect his draft scot Because you know Peterson, when you

1810
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: look at his numbers. He didn't make All American this year.

1811
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,440
Speaker 2: He was Honorable Mansion barely, and he was wildly inconsistent.

1812
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: He got worse once he started playing all exactly, all

1813
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he couldn't shoot. I mean, he couldn't

1814
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 2: make any shots. So is this an isolated incident? How

1815
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: does it affect Bill self? What was your whole read

1816
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: on this? Darren Peterson season of Kansas. So I'll try

1817
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 2: to just be brief so we can keep this conversational.

1818
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 2: So finally, towards the end of the season, Darren Peterson

1819
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 2: did multiple interviews where he explained his version of things,

1820
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 2: which was that during summer workouts he got full body

1821
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: cramps that forced him to be hospitalized. Okay, and so

1822
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 2: I think after that he was obviously psychologically like not sure.

1823
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 2: And that's a scary isolated that's a scary incident. Whatever.

1824
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 2: My frustration from the beginning with that was you can't

1825
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 2: get a straight answer out of him, Bill self, anybody

1826
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 2: at Kansas. Right. So, and again this stuff I talked about.

1827
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 2: But the BYU game, when he played de Bonts ahead

1828
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: to head, he has twenty or so points at halftime,

1829
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 2: pulls himself out sitting on the sidelines. People say, he

1830
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: has cramps, Steve, We've seen people with cramps for thirty years.

1831
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 2: What do you do. You hydrate, you get massaged, you

1832
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: get stretched. He's sitting there, just chilling with a towelovers head.

1833
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 2: You know, you go to the Arizona game, big Monday,

1834
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 2: number one team of the country, You go through walk through,

1835
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,719
Speaker 2: and then you say you can't play because of the flu.

1836
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: And so what I do believe is he had a

1837
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 2: very serious medical condition. And when I say what I

1838
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: mean is he had full body cramps, I think he

1839
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: was never really right or comfortable. But to your point,

1840
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: never really once he actually started playing full games, he

1841
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 2: didn't look the same and the team didn't look the

1842
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: same because the team did this weird thing where kind

1843
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 2: of the first half let Darren cook whatever, and then

1844
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 2: the second half they had a player named Melvin Council

1845
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 2: who was kind of the vet and kind of would

1846
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 2: take over games. They never figured it out. And then

1847
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:27,799
Speaker 2: I think, to your question is did that whole experience

1848
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: sour Bill self on just coaching college basketball, because yeah,

1849
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 2: there's no doubt that it weighed on the entire program

1850
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 2: all season long.

1851
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 3: I mean he's already obviously in the Hall of Fame,

1852
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 3: which is always weird to me. How do you feel

1853
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 3: about active coaches going into the Hall of Fame.

1854
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of it.

1855
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1856
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: I think the counter is like, you know, you get

1857
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 2: so Bill Belichick's in his seventies, right, and now it's

1858
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 2: like you're making him wait another year. That feels unfair.

1859
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 2: So it's always the weird thing of like remember when

1860
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 2: Rick Patino got busted Louisville and they're like, he's in

1861
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, but he kind of broke every

1862
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: rule that is in place. So I don't know that

1863
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 2: it's one that like, if you're asking me for like

1864
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 2: my five strongest sports takes, that that's one that I'm

1865
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 2: like super passionate about. It probably doesn't really make sense though,

1866
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 2: whenever it's made sense about the basketball Hall of Fame,

1867
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: it's all inclusive. Oh yeah, it's weird.

1868
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 3: I mean what's interesting is there is an actual college

1869
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 3: basketball Hall of Fame. Oh yeah, there is a women's

1870
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 3: basketball Hall of Fame. There is a FIFA or an

1871
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 3: international Basketball Hall of Fame.

1872
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 2: There is no such thing as the NBA Hall of Fame.

1873
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 2: Interesting yeah, I'm gonna throw you ten names right now

1874
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 2: because I know your historian as well. I've always said

1875
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 2: this about if you were to start an NBA Hall

1876
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 2: of Fame, you have to have an inaugural class. Okay, sure, sure,

1877
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't put twenty five people. I had ten,

1878
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 2: and then I like what NASCAR does with their Hall

1879
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: of Fame, where they do like three a year, Like

1880
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 2: you know, you start with classes of maybe five just

1881
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 2: sort of catch up, and they start to reduce the

1882
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 2: classes because now you're catching up.

1883
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 3: I would do the same thing with the NBA Hall

1884
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 3: of Fame, but my ten player first class.

1885
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: Okay. The two biggest names in the early years of

1886
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 2: the NBA were George Mike and Bob Coosey. Okay, so

1887
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 2: those are two names. I got Bill Russell, and I

1888
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 2: go Wilt Chamberlain. I got Oscar Robertson, and I got

1889
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 2: Jerry West at six. Yeah, I got Kareem abdul Jabbar,

1890
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 2: I got Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and I have Michael Jordan.

1891
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that's my ten to start. You're saying, well,

1892
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 2: where's doctor j Where's Kobe? Where are They'll get there?

1893
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 3: Sure, but it's like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

1894
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: you had Elvis and you know that type of thing.

1895
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 2: So that what do you think of my first ten?

1896
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 2: So I actually like it and I like that, and

1897
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 2: it's obviously tragic that Kobe's no longer with us, but

1898
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 2: you're basically saying, like, look, Shack, you're gonna get your time.

1899
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: But you're in your fifties. Chances are pretty good you

1900
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 2: got another twenty years to like get your spots. So

1901
01:33:58,560 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 2: I actually like it.

1902
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 3: See like my second class would be like Bob pettittt Elgrim, Baylor,

1903
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 3: doctor j.

1904
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: You got to catch up a little bit.

1905
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 3: Course, yeah, like the Beatles didn't get in until the

1906
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 3: third time, you know, in the Rock and Roll Hall

1907
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 3: of Fame, so because they had to get some of

1908
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 3: the early people out first. But I wish because people

1909
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 3: are like when people say, hey, he made the NBA

1910
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, there is no such thing as NBA

1911
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

1912
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 2: Basketball Hall of Fame. You're right, you know, Springfield, mass

1913
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 2: I mean you have high school coaches sure in the

1914
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: basketball do you gotta guess Morgan come on now and

1915
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 2: Bob Hurley, Oh that's Bob Hurley. But you have high

1916
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 2: school coaches. They had a junior college coach. His entire

1917
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 2: coaching career is at the junior college level, and he's

1918
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 2: right there with Phil Jackson and John Wooden. It's like,

1919
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd argue coaching juco's maybe the hardest level

1920
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: of all levels to coach.

1921
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 3: But yes it might be, but you talk about it,

1922
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 3: it would be honestly, and it's no knock.

1923
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. You're you're Hall of Fame. Yeah,

1924
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 2: I get to be like putting Triple A baseball players.

1925
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 2: Actually it's not the same. All right. This baseball coach

1926
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 2: in Norman, Oklahoma won eight state titles. Put him next

1927
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 2: to Whitey Ford.

1928
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you, all right. I want to break

1929
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 3: down this game kind of between Yukon and Duke. Are

1930
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 3: the Duchies all the way back? They're looking for back

1931
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 3: to back final fours. Is Dan Hurley after his little hiccup?

1932
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 3: If he does go on to win a third national championship,

1933
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 3: would he ever team the thought of leaving his part

1934
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 3: of the Lakers Stop?

1935
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't say the Lakers. We'll update you on that.

1936
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 2: Get ready for the big matchup coming up next in

1937
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 2: the uh March Man is this is Fox Sports Sunday,

1938
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,799
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1939
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1940
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1941
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1942
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1943
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1944
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1945
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1946
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 3: all right, right now, Ucla women trying to come back

1947
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 3: in their game against Duke. Third quarter now Duke leading

1948
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 3: forty one to thirty six. And of course on the

1949
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 3: men's side, it has been an absolute blowout from Michigan.

1950
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 3: They are leading Tennessee eighty three to fifty four. So

1951
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 3: the Wolverines are going to move on to the Final four,

1952
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 3: which is going to be leave one last spot in

1953
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 3: the final four.

1954
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 2: On the men's side, Duke and Yukon.

1955
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 3: I believe Yukon is on as what is seventeen eighteen

1956
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 3: team winning street grade although this.

1957
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 2: Is oh they got destroyed by Saint John's What are

1958
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 2: you talking about? I know, okay, I thought you were

1959
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 2: being serious.

1960
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 3: I know, I was like, you just want I just

1961
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: wanted you to harken back on that blowout loss to

1962
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 3: Saint John's in the conference final. And so I look

1963
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 3: at Duke this year, and you know they haven't played

1964
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 3: great in this tournament. Both these teams have shown signs

1965
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 3: of vulnerability in this tournament, no doubt.

1966
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 2: But you have teams that have been there.

1967
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 3: And I mean you got Caravan, who started on both

1968
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 3: of Yukon's national championship teams as a freshman and sophomore.

1969
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 3: Let me start with a guy like Caraban, He's what's

1970
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 3: right about college basketball.

1971
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 2: Still. Sure, this is not a guy that's destined to

1972
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 2: have some kind of star future in the NBA, obviously,

1973
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 2: but he's one of those valuable pieces on any kind

1974
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 2: of team, especially when it comes to the nca tournament.

1975
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 2: And he's played the best basketball of his career, no doubt.

1976
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a career high, no noe, not to

1977
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: dig at UCLA, but career high against UCLA in the

1978
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 2: round of thirty two.

1979
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 3: All right, So the veteran presence of a Caravan on

1980
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 3: that Yukon team in any way, is that going to

1981
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 3: have an impact on this matchup against Duke.

1982
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 2: Let's look at who they're playing. I mean, Caleb Foster

1983
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 2: is the most seasoned duke player and he comes back

1984
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: play on one plays on one foot. He hit the

1985
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 2: biggest shot of the game against Saint John's on Friday nights.

1986
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: So it absolutely plays a role. And I will give credit.

1987
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 2: You said he's everything right about college sports right now,

1988
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 2: and I agree. And what I would say is, you

1989
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 2: know how this is when you follow a team every day,

1990
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 2: even when you have a legendary coach like Dan Hurley

1991
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, you start to stuff annoise you

1992
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 2: But whatever, I thought, they did something really cool. So

1993
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: Yukon has what's called the Ring of Honor. Now it's

1994
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 2: not the same as retiring a jersey. There's only three

1995
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 2: retired Yukon jerseys on the men's side, a Mecha Oka

1996
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: four Rip Hamilton Ray Allen. But they have a Ring

1997
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 2: of Honor where they just kind of celebrate the icons

1998
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: of the program and Dan Hurley behind the scenes pushed

1999
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 2: on senior day. Nobody knew they added Alex Caraban to

2000
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: the Ring of Honor. Wow for his uh yeah, for

2001
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 2: everything that he's done. And so that is more. You know,

2002
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 2: the players that have had an impact but aren't necessarily

2003
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 2: your going to retire their jersey, and so yes, And

2004
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 2: I think Yukon fans appreciate Alex Caraban. I think Dan Hurley,

2005
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: you know, Dan Hurley, you know we were joking, not joking,

2006
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 2: but you reference the Lakers. I mean, Dan Hurley was

2007
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: adamant that it was like the reason he turned down

2008
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 2: the Lakers, which I don't necessarily believe, but he said,

2009
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, Alex Caraban went through the draft

2010
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 2: process for two months and decided to come back to me,

2011
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 2: and now I'm going to bail on him a week later.

2012
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 2: So you talk about a guy the impact that he

2013
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 2: has had on the program, there's no doubt about it,

2014
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: all right, So Dan Hurley in his future at Yukon, now,

2015
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 2: I would say this, all things being equal, and certainly

2016
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 2: the money is substantial at the collegiate level for the

2017
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 2: elite coaches out there, and a question about that I

2018
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 2: never understood. And you and I share our love of

2019
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 2: college sports in general. The idea of a coach opting

2020
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: out for the pro ranks over what would call a

2021
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 2: more secure position at the collegiate ranks where you you

2022
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 2: know you've built a program, like like a Tommy ISO

2023
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: at Michigan State.

2024
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 3: I mean, why would he ever leave? And he he doesn't.

2025
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know Beheim for years at Syracuse. You

2026
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 3: know these guys obviously coach k at Duke.

2027
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 2: So do you do you think Dan Hurley is going

2028
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 2: to you know, maybe you you know, they have that

2029
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 2: initial testing to the water, like okay, you know, I'm

2030
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm right hot right now, went back to back national championships.

2031
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 2: I'll think about it. It's the Lakers. It's not like

2032
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 2: you know, Charlotte, you know, I mean, that's it's a

2033
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 2: substantial And then he decides to say Yukon, you think

2034
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: he's long term? I mean, is he is he going

2035
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 2: to go to the distance like Calhoun did all those years?

2036
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I do think is our job

2037
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 2: that you would leave Yukon flo. What was interesting was

2038
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 2: the belief was that if he was gonna leave for

2039
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 2: the NBA, it wouldn't have been the Lakers. It was

2040
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 2: actually the Knicks. New York guy resurrect that organization. Mean,

2041
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 2: like when Patina left Providence to go to the next

2042
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 2: out that work. Well, the thing is the NIXT job

2043
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 2: opened last summer and day one he was like, don't

2044
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 2: even ask the question, zero interest, and I give him

2045
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 2: credit for that. I am of the belief that he

2046
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 2: runs so hot and he's so like I don't like.

2047
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 2: I hope he's at Yukon forever. Clearly he is, if

2048
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 2: not the best coach in college basketball on the very

2049
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 2: short conversation. And by the way, the chances of Yukon

2050
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 2: finding a third Hall of Fame caliber coach when he

2051
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 2: leaves are very unlikely. So but I also just feel like, look,

2052
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,480
Speaker 2: this guy started at high school, then he went to Wagner,

2053
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 2: then he went to u Uri. He's been Yukon, I believe,

2054
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 2: is the longest stint that he's ever been at. And

2055
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,520
Speaker 2: I do just wonder if, because he burns so hot,

2056
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 2: if he has if he has it in him to

2057
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,559
Speaker 2: stay in a place for twenty five thirty years. And

2058
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. And it's funny because even in the

2059
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 2: middle of this season, there was a time where Yukon

2060
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 2: was winning, but it was ugly. I'm sure you saw

2061
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 2: some of the press clips where he was calling out

2062
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 2: the fans the home crowds aren't what they used to be, bulb,

2063
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, this guy's miserable here. He's gonna

2064
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 2: leave after this season and then the team kind of

2065
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 2: got right. They beat Saint John's the second time in

2066
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 2: the regular season. They're going on this NCAA tournament run,

2067
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's necessarily gonna leave this year,

2068
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 2: but I do wonder again just the way he's wired.

2069
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 2: Is he wired to be at a place for thirty years?

2070
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 2: When he was shaking ISO's hand, so I didn't see

2071
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 2: this what happened? Well, No, what I'm saying is, as

2072
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 2: he's shaken ISO's hand, could he be looking at a

2073
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 2: is Oh, Like that's what that's me? In twenty years?

2074
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 2: Do I want to be that in twenty years? I

2075
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 2: mean Iso still has the enthusiasm, you know, he's still

2076
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 2: you know, very much in it. I mean they were

2077
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 2: Lite eight last year, so it wasn't like, you know,

2078
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 2: they haven't had success. They haven't gotten the final four

2079
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 2: in a few years, but you know, but I would

2080
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 2: just imagine if you're if you're Dan Hurley, I mean

2081
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 2: you're shaking a guy who's in the Hall of Fame,

2082
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 2: Tom is Oh. He has done this for all these years

2083
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 2: at Michigan State, And for a second you have to

2084
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 2: almost look at yours in the mirror, like yeah, is

2085
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 2: that me?

2086
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 3: Do I envision that being me fifteen twenty years down

2087
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 3: the road at Yukon.

2088
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: And the only thing I would say to that is,

2089
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 2: I do think there's something about when he turned down

2090
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 2: the Lakers early fifties, back to back national championships, kind

2091
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,680
Speaker 2: of at the peak of his powers, but it was

2092
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 2: early enough in his life, for lack of better term,

2093
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 2: that he could have had a real run at the NBA,

2094
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 2: where obviously, I do think the deeper you get into

2095
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,599
Speaker 2: your late fifties, your early sixties, you know, we see

2096
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 2: the NBA, it's a young man's game. It's you know,

2097
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: the young coaches. You know, the Spurs coaches younger than

2098
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 2: I am. Well, let's use Billy Donnovan as an example, right,

2099
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,959
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like his message is getting through to your point.

2100
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 3: That you made it well that and it never does.

2101
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean coach cal didn't do it. Patina was unable

2102
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 3: to do it. Remember Tark His brief run with the

2103
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 3: Spurs lasted about twenty games. Yeah, I mean, it's the

2104
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 3: list goes on and on and on of guys that

2105
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 3: have had amazing success at the collegiate level.

2106
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 2: I mean, do you I mean, when I've watched Dan Hurley,

2107
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that's with that personality play in the NBA.

2108
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 2: So I think he's smart enough where he would know

2109
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: he has to tone it down, but it's it's the

2110
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 2: can't do that on yourself. Well, and it's the Urban

2111
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 2: Meyer thing of Urban Meyer literally had a heart attack

2112
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 2: when he would lose one game a year. And it's like,

2113
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 2: and that was why I never thought long term he

2114
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:32,799
Speaker 2: would last in the NFL, not because of how he coached,

2115
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 2: but because of how he was wired. And so if

2116
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 2: you're Dan Hurley, you know, even a good team, you're

2117
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 2: gonna lose thirty five times a year, like you know,

2118
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 2: and you know some I I I don't. Maybe it's

2119
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 2: me trying to not look too far, you know, you know,

2120
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 2: enjoy the moment. These are the good old days kind

2121
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 2: of thing, you know, not not think about ten years

2122
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 2: from I think the other thing too, and this is

2123
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 2: important actually, is what becomes of the next wave of

2124
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 2: college sports And can Yukon continue, Like Michigan's gonna make

2125
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, They're gonna get

2126
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 2: seventy million from the Big Ten alone. And by the way,

2127
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 2: that was why Yukon tried so desperately to get into

2128
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 2: the Big twelve when they did their most recent expansion

2129
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 2: is because it is a dollars and cents thing. Now,

2130
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 2: I am of the belief that the state of Connecticut

2131
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 2: specifically will always find a way to make sure that

2132
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 2: Yukon men's and women's basketball have what they need. But

2133
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 2: that's the other variable as well, is do you just

2134
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 2: get to a point five years from now where this

2135
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 2: college sports thing has evolved so much and say, you know,

2136
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 2: to run a college basketball program, you know you need

2137
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars in salary. Plus you know, we look

2138
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 2: at how coaching staves now have a general manager. I

2139
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,959
Speaker 2: think we're not far along from having an entire scouting

2140
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 2: department a West coast area. You know, it's a professional operation.

2141
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 2: And so that just comes down to we know that

2142
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 2: Michigan will never hurt for money. We know that Kentucky

2143
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,799
Speaker 2: and the SEC. We know that Duke, a private school,

2144
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 2: never will, But what about Yukon, by the way, really quickly,

2145
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 2: and I don't go along. I think this is why

2146
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 2: Tommy Lloyd has to have why Tommy Lloyd hasn't totally

2147
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 2: shot down the UNC thing, because Arizona isn't one of

2148
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:25,640
Speaker 2: those schools that just prints money the way that others do.

2149
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't think he's leaving, but I just bring that

2150
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:29,640
Speaker 2: up as a point because I think Arizona's in a

2151
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 2: similar spot, even though they're in the big time.

2152
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people thought he would never leave Gonzaga.

2153
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 3: I mean, he was sort of the heir apparent, like

2154
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 3: but not sort of. It was in his contract. You're

2155
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 3: getting this job when Mark fevertires. All right, let's find

2156
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 3: out what's trending right now. Let's welcome back Brie. All right, Bri, I'm.

2157
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 2: Watching my UCLA women's basketball team, still losing the Duke.

2158
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, forty five, forty four minutes left to go in

2159
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 4: the third quarter. Ucla trying to keep that twenty seven

2160
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 4: win game streak alive. So fingers crossed just for your sake,

2161
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,799
Speaker 4: and I hate so I'm actually rooting for UCLA as well.

2162
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that's the thing about Duke. It

2163
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 3: is a brand. Either you love or you hate. There's

2164
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 3: no in between.

2165
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 6: No, I forever will hate Duke.

2166
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 4: I was a North Carolina fan growing up, and then

2167
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 4: I just kind of fell off college basketball. It just

2168
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 4: broke my heart every year. I just couldn't get back

2169
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 4: into it. After the tar Hills lost in two thousand

2170
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 4: and six, Yeah to Villanova.

2171
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that like broke my heart.

2172
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen.

2173
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 4: Twenty sixteen, Okay, I was ten years off. It's fine,

2174
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 4: it's fine, Okay.

2175
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 2: I texted my wife fee last night because she loves Arizona,

2176
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 2: because we went to Tucson. I was like, yeah, their

2177
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 2: first Final four since two thousand and one, and she's like, oh,

2178
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 2: five years wow, And I was like, yeah, yeah, you

2179
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 2: misread that, or you're just terrible at math. I think

2180
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 2: it was more of a mystery than she can't do

2181
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:46,560
Speaker 2: addition and subtraction.

2182
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 4: But it's just weird, like I can't think of two

2183
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 4: thousand and six and think that was twenty years ago.

2184
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 6: Like I think that's like ten years ago or that.

2185
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 2: Wit Either my point, you really are there are now.

2186
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 2: I mean that's I'm a numbers guy.

2187
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 3: But when it comes still like decades, I agree with you,

2188
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 3: Like twenty sixteen, two thousand and six seems like the

2189
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 3: same at time.

2190
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty sixteen fills like five years ago for me,

2191
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 4: and it's really like ten years ago. I don't know,

2192
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 4: if like COVID had something to do with it where

2193
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 4: I lost track of time. It just it's a little strange.

2194
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 4: But in the other game, in the women's side, the

2195
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 4: e Lee eight undefeated one seed Yukon had a slow

2196
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 4: start but pulled away in the second half to defeat

2197
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,799
Speaker 4: sixty Notre Dames seventy to fifty two for their fifty

2198
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:30,839
Speaker 4: fourth straight win and twenty fifth Final four appearance. Freshman

2199
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 4: Blanca Canyona's had twenty points off the bench for the

2200
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 4: Huskies and on the men's side, Michigan Molly wopping Am

2201
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 4: I allowed to still say that ninety two to sixty

2202
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 4: to tennessee about a minute left to go in the game.

2203
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 4: Yaksel Landenberg played a full thirty two minutes before he

2204
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 4: was taken out for the first time. He finished at

2205
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:53,599
Speaker 4: thirty five minutes, twenty seven points, seven rebounds, two blocks,

2206
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 4: and zero turnovers. Were about less than an hour away

2207
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:01,719
Speaker 4: from the East Region East Regional Final between Duke and Yukon,

2208
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 4: and you guys were talking about that. In the NHL,

2209
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 4: the Rangers defeated the Panthers three to one. In Major

2210
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 4: League Baseball, the Royals beat the Braves four to one.

2211
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 4: The Blue Jays top VA's five to two, and Munataka

2212
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 4: Murakami has hit a home run in each of his

2213
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 4: first three games as a member of the Chicago White Sox.

2214
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:23,679
Speaker 4: They're beating the Brewers seven to three. It's the bottom

2215
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 4: of the seventh inning, and in basketball, the Clippers are

2216
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 4: beating the Bucks seven fifty seven to forty six. At halftime,

2217
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,839
Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard fifteen points and eight boards.

2218
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 6: Thanks for letting me hang out with you, guys.

2219
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: Hev right down. Always a great time. And by the way,

2220
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 2: you guys for letting me hang out. Shout out to VJ. Husky,

2221
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 2: who I'm sure will be back next Well, he'll probably

2222
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 2: be back.

2223
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 3: But Aaron, a perfect day for Aaron to be hanging

2224
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 3: out today, that is for sure. By the way, why

2225
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 3: you are speaking, Bree, UCLA women.

2226
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Just took the lead. Here we go boys set so

2227
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 2: forty seven, forty five leading Duke.

2228
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 3: That game is in the third quarter there on the

2229
01:49:58,400 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 3: lady's side.

2230
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you.

2231
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 3: Aaron, since we we have to acknowledge where college sports

2232
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 3: is now.

2233
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:07,719
Speaker 2: It's professional. It's professional.

2234
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 3: You're getting paid, your free agency, got everything that is

2235
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 3: consistent with a professional league.

2236
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:18,599
Speaker 2: The idea of players.

2237
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 3: Returning to college after leaving to play professionally. So we

2238
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 3: had the Amari Bailey situation at UCLA. So he was

2239
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 3: a five star recruit, you know, he had one and

2240
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 3: done at UCLA, goes into the professional ranks.

2241
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 2: It doesn't work.

2242
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 3: Out, and you know, at first I'm just like laughing,

2243
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 3: but then more I'm thinking about it, I'm saying, what

2244
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 3: could stop him?

2245
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you're getting a paid check in both places.

2246
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 3: So if you have college eligibility left and you can

2247
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:57,640
Speaker 3: get paid as you were at the professional ranks legally,

2248
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 3: how do you stop someone from returning to the college

2249
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 3: ranks as a professional and play and continue on or

2250
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 3: restart their collegiate careers as long as they still have

2251
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 3: eligibility left.

2252
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I want to congratulate you on

2253
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,639
Speaker 2: your new part time job as Amari Bailey's lawyer. Yes,

2254
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,680
Speaker 2: because that is exactly what his lawyer would say. But

2255
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 2: here is my question. Here is my argument is that

2256
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 2: once you get into that gray area, you keep using

2257
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,799
Speaker 2: well what about the eligibility? Well, then who's to say,

2258
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 2: I know, I played five years, I want a sixth year.

2259
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 2: Who's to say I want a seventh? And eighth and

2260
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 2: ninth year if I can keep getting the pansiasa rule

2261
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 2: like you know, well, the NCAA has rules if you

2262
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 2: declare for the draft, if you've played an NBA games,

2263
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 2: if you've signed an NBA contract, then you cannot play

2264
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 2: college basketball. And I know what you're gonna say, James

2265
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 2: nause Baylor. First of all, the European pro is a

2266
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 2: gray area to me that I could see both sides.

2267
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,320
Speaker 2: I think it certainly helped college basketball, right, But to

2268
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 2: your point, how old you know? Like if a twenty

2269
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 2: four year old dude from Latvia wants to come over

2270
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 2: and he's never played college basketball, does he get to

2271
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 2: come period? Does he get four years? Does he get

2272
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 2: one year? So it's a very gray area. But what

2273
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 2: I would say and what I believe, And again James

2274
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 2: NAUSEI is the Baylor kid. They would argue he never

2275
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 2: declared for the draft that basically Euros of a certain

2276
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 2: age just become eligible. I do think and I thought

2277
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 2: I'll be quick here, but Todd Golden is the Florida

2278
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 2: coach I thought with Bettiaco at Alabama, he said it best.

2279
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 2: He said, everybody knows there is a draft deadline. You

2280
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:37,639
Speaker 2: put your name in, you stay in past your past

2281
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 2: that deadline, you give up your eligibility, and so to me,

2282
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 2: if you come to college. And by the way, this

2283
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 2: is my argument with Alabama fans. It's no different than

2284
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 2: these Euros. Yes it is. He was here, he played,

2285
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 2: he knew the rule, he declared, he stayed in after

2286
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 2: the deadline. He is no longer eligible to play college basketball.

2287
01:52:59,360 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 2: And it's the same with them. A.

2288
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 3: Bailey, Well, I don't know how much control the NCAA has.

2289
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 3: Look at the Shambless situation at Old Miss. I mean,

2290
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 3: you have they They ruled against him twice, I know,

2291
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 3: and some I mean the local judge threw that all out.

2292
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 2: That's what I say. I say, that's the most the

2293
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 2: most important thing to have as a college sports program.

2294
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 2: Is it the coach, is it an il It's the

2295
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 2: right judge in your.

2296
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 3: County, which is amazing to me. I mean, we we're

2297
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 3: talking about collegiate sports. It's these lower level judges can

2298
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,719
Speaker 3: overrule federal laws.

2299
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's unbelievable. They can do whatever they seem

2300
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 2: to want to do.

2301
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 3: But and then Shambless still had to go back and

2302
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:38,839
Speaker 3: negotiate his deal at Ole miss my Apparently he finally

2303
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 3: has so he will return.

2304
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 2: At what point I thought the endgame was to get

2305
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 2: to the pros? Like I will say this about Trindad Chambliss,

2306
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 2: Like I am not an NFL draft expert. You talk

2307
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 2: to the draft experts. He was like QB three. Yeah,

2308
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 2: behind Mendozen's he probably would have been like late first

2309
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 2: round I was.

2310
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure that his agent negotiated even more lucrative deal

2311
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:00,640
Speaker 3: at Ole miss No.

2312
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 2: It would be interesting.

2313
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 3: Like let's say, like Kevin Durant retires and he's like, well,

2314
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 3: I still have three years of eligibility left at the

2315
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 3: University of Texas.

2316
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 2: So if you think Arizona fans with Bryce James on

2317
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 2: their roster haven't made the joke about the reunion, I

2318
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 2: haven't been paying attention on social media. Those one and

2319
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:22,600
Speaker 2: done superstars. What the heck? Maybe I'll go back to

2320
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 2: the college ranks as a thirty five year old and

2321
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 2: play a couple more years, get paid handshobly, and have

2322
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:30,639
Speaker 2: some fun. I always miss my college day. I always

2323
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 2: say I wish I hadn't left after one year. You

2324
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 2: know who would take full advantage of that. James Harden

2325
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 2: feels like the guy. They'd be like, yeah, I'll go

2326
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 2: at Arizona State, Fatio more years.

2327
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned that because I live with your

2328
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 3: Dan Hurley. It's really amazing that Bobby Hurley lasted eleven

2329
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 3: years at Arizona State, isn't it.

2330
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,840
Speaker 2: When they have the money to pay off it's wy

2331
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 2: and the football team's good now, so they got to

2332
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 2: put all the money in that one.

2333
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 3: All right, final predictions on what's going to transpire by

2334
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 3: weekends and of March madness.

2335
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,200
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2336
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:03,080
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01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,280
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01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 3: show posted right after we get off the air. Well,

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Speaker 3: thank our crew today, Brie, Thank you very much doing

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Speaker 3: a great job with all of our upstakes.

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Speaker 2: Chris, chairman of the board here at Fox Sports Radio. Chairman,

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Speaker 2: I like that yeah, chairman Board and of course are

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Speaker 2: brilliant bo Binson here. It's great to see Bow on

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Speaker 2: Sundays again. We thought we were going to miss him

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Speaker 2: for a while. Well not right now. He's not. Oh there,

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Speaker 2: he is there, he's walking right back. I know. It's

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Speaker 2: good to see Bow out here on Sundays. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: one of the few people here at Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: that can set his own schedule, and that's a man

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Speaker 2: of power. Oh, I don't know if i'd say that.

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Speaker 2: I tend to exaggerate everything that comes out of my mouth. Guys,

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Speaker 2: I want to said that.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I stop paying attention when you did a

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Speaker 8: whole subject or topic on the NBA MVP and did

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Speaker 8: not mention Luca's name one time.

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, my son Garrett, as you know,

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Speaker 3: as a diehard Laker fan, he's been screaming the same

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Speaker 3: thing to me every single day. If why is Luca

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Speaker 3: Dantes not being mentioned for Most Valuable Player?

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Speaker 8: Was Ga averaged forty points for a month? You'd never

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Speaker 8: hear the end of it. Yeah, but Luca does it?

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Speaker 2: Nobody cares.

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Speaker 3: I saw the Lasley use like fifth on the latest.

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Speaker 3: You know, power rankings.

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Speaker 2: He went down the MVP ladder. Yeah, down, he went

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Speaker 2: down the ladder. I like it, all right, Aaron torres A.

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Speaker 2: You know we've been going through it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Ucla now is open up a six

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Speaker 3: point late on Duke with nine and a half minutes

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Speaker 3: to go in the fourth quarters. So the Bruins writing

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Speaker 3: a twenty eight game winning streak, trying to advance to

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Speaker 3: a second straight Final four, and they just got a steal.

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Speaker 3: So they are taking over this fourth quarter, all right,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Tiger.

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Speaker 2: Woods Tiger Woods. I did a commentary on TV last night.

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Speaker 2: I said, let's let's get one thing out of the way.

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Speaker 2: Forget the automobile accidents for a second. Here. The idea

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Speaker 2: that he's ever going to return and play competitive golf

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Speaker 2: at age fifty after seven back surgeries is pure fantasy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's just dismiss that. Okay, his records in the record

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Speaker 2: books and let's just accept it for what it is.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, this man needs some help right now.

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Speaker 3: There has to be an intervention, at the very least

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Speaker 3: of a fifty year old man that had a near

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Speaker 3: fatal car accident five years ago, fell asleep at the wheel,

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Speaker 3: whatever transpired that day, you would think yourself, like any

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Speaker 3: of us, would say, I am never going to.

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Speaker 2: Do that again.

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Speaker 3: I'm never going to be mentally impaired and get behind

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Speaker 3: the wheel of a car after escaping with my life.

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Speaker 3: And yet here it happens again. That tells me something

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Speaker 3: about a fifty year old man. Sure, what is what

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Speaker 3: is going on here? Well, you said an intervention. I mean,

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Speaker 3: can anyone get through to him? Because clearly probably the

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Speaker 3: answer is no. Yeah, listen, I mean you can hold

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Speaker 3: concurrent emotions. It's obviously sad, but it is also he

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Speaker 3: clipped a car speeding in a residential neighborhood and it

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Speaker 3: could have been much worse. No, not only for him,

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Speaker 3: for the other driver. You know, I haven't heard all

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Speaker 3: of the police press conference, but I've seen references to

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Speaker 3: if there had been pedestrians anywhere in the area, it

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Speaker 3: could have been fatal for a pedestrian.

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Speaker 2: And so it's sad. He needs help. He needs to

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Speaker 2: stop driving, no sarcasm when I say this. He needs

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Speaker 2: to download the Uber app, he needs a higher driver.

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Speaker 2: But it's also not sad, and it is so irresponsible

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Speaker 2: and if he continues down this path, it's gonna end

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Speaker 2: in a fatal car crash for either him or somebody

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Speaker 2: on the other end, and he's going to spend the

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Speaker 2: rest of his life behind bars. No sarcasm.

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Speaker 3: I guess the one unanswered question is what was he on?

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Speaker 3: Or he wouldn't mean tested and there was no alcohol

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Speaker 3: zero zero zero in the alcohol. So if you're on

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Speaker 3: some kind of painkiller, right, you know I took too

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Speaker 3: much or I'm having an adverse effect, why would he

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Speaker 3: be hesitant to be tested unless he's doing something else

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Speaker 3: where he's on a prescription where he doesn't have a prescription.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, and that that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Why would a billionaire he's worth one point three billion

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Speaker 2: dollars engage in any of that? I don't get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a substance abuse issue, that still

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have to drive. And if you have

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Speaker 2: a substance abuse issue, which is a separate conversation and

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Speaker 2: certainly not making light of it, but if you do,

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Speaker 2: don't drive, I mean, get help for the substance abuse issue,

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Speaker 2: but also don't get behind a wheel. When people say,

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Speaker 2: does this a affect his legacy? No, I said, and O. J.

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Speaker 3: Simpson never in my mind, as someone that grew up

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Speaker 3: with O. J. Simpson, going back to his USC days

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Speaker 3: and then his incredible career, I could separate the two

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Speaker 3: percent I never had.

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Speaker 2: There was O J. Simpson, the Hall of Fame running back.

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Speaker 2: Nobody remember then there was in Eagle, Colorado. That's all said, right, wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: so what is your give me? Give me a final score?

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Speaker 3: Coming up Yukon and Duke as you frankically try to

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Speaker 3: get there for the opening tip off.

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Speaker 2: Yukon seventy two, Duke sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you come, will advance to the third Final four

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Speaker 3: in the last four years. Aaron, great job, man, I'm

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Speaker 3: great to see you as always. Stay tuned. Dan Buyer's

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Speaker 3: Carry Roads coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio.