1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Uh, that was the introduction, I did it, Sophie. Sophie 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: is saying, that's an acceptable introduction. You know what podcast 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: this is. You clicked on it, so I don't need 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: to tell you the title. I don't need to say 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: who we are. I'm just going to dive right into 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: the fucking episode. No, I'm not. This is It Could 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart and uh 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: and what to maybe do to to arrest that and 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: do something better in its place, and uh, you know, 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: folks who are are regular listeners who listened to the 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: original scripted episodes of It Could Happen Here, the first 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: fifteen episodes, which I certainly recommend to everybody. Know that 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: one area in which I kind of separate from a 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: lot of particularly more liberal folks and even some folks 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: on the left is an embrace of the fact that 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: firearms are sometimes necessary tools, especially in times of collapse 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: when things get bad. Um. Now that said, we're also 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: not uh kind of gun culture people here. We try not, to, 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: for one thing, recommend that everybody necessarily pick up a gun. 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, perfectly nice people you shouldn't 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: have them who don't need to have them, you know, 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: if you're dealing with suicidal ideation or whatever. We're not. 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: The point is, we try to be very careful about 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: how we we talk about firearms as a potentially useful, 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: even potentially necessary tool in the times that we're in. 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: And today, since we're a few weeks into this, we've 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: covered producing food, We've covered some medical stuff. We've talked 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: about uh, community organizing, and a number of other things 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: that I think our priorities for most people before, you know, 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: getting strapped. Today we're gonna talk a little bit about 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: getting strapped. And my guest today is Paul. Paul, do 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: you want to kind of introduce your background in brief 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: so people know why why you're on here, Sure, Robert H. 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: I was in the Marine Corps and Infantry, and after 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: that I went to security consulting and then to the 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Federal Protector of Service and finally the A T F 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: some of our funnest agencies. Yeah, all my favorite organizations there. Well, 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: they're better than the the what is it, the f 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: d A. Yeah, they beat the f d A. I 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: mean in terms of body count, they're certainly better than 41 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: the f d A. And what what do you do now, 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Paul that you're you're you're out of that line of work. Uh, well, 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: I do two things. I got a day job at 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: disney World and then uh, the side gig is we 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: run a explosives and machine guns supply company, also body armor, 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: a handful of other things. But that's the big thing 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: is destructive devices. Yeah, and uh, you've you've got I 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: think experience that a lot of people, particularly on this 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: side of the political I'll lack you know. One of 50 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: the one of the downsides of kind of rejecting the 51 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: federal government in the military and all its forms, is 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people who may accept the 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: validity of being armed and don't really have much in 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: the way of practical training. And firearms are tools that 55 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: to use most efficausly do require training and practice. You 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: can't just um you can pick them up and be dangerous, 57 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: but not in a way that is particularly protective to 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: you in your community. Oh yeah, Um, so I wanted 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: to talk about kind of recommendations and and everything. We 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: talk about nothing. We're not talking in the context of 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: forming a militia or in the context of you know, 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: showing up with guns to to yell at people at 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: a protest. If that's the thing you're choosing to do, 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: that's a whole different ball game. We're talking about, um, 65 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: kind of responsibly arming yourself in your community in a 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: way that is not going to get you in legal trouble. Um, 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: it is also not going to endanger them. Because one 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: of the things you have to accept about firearms is that, um, 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: there's a risk you know, related to owning a firearm. Um. 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Not just the risk that like you know, suicide risk 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: raises if you have a gun in the house, but 72 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: just if you don't use them properly. Even carrying a gun. 73 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's not unheard of for people carrying guns 74 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: to have those weapons taken from them and used against them. 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: It happens to police, and it happens to armed citizens. 76 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's a matter of um, you know. I 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: think when you accept that you're going to be armed, 78 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: there's something incumbent upon you to understand the risks of 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: being armed. And I guess that's kind of where I 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: want to start, Like, what are some of the big 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: pitfalls you see people uh fall into, Like um that 82 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: I think traditionally, training is supposed to help allay to 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: some degree. Uh well probably number one is uh grandpa's 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: gun in the closet that's been there for forty years unfired, 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: and somebody just picks it up and throw some ammo 86 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: in it to go huna deer, and you know it's 87 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: got a barrel obstruction or something that just blows up, 88 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um. But number two and and the one 89 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: that can be mitigated by training rather than just general 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: uh not being stupid, because it's kind of stupid to 91 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: pick something up that's really old and just try to 92 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: shoot it. Is um, not shooting yourself, and when you 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: do go out to the range, not shooting other people, 94 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: and then not shooting people in your own home. Um, 95 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: you know you don't as much as you might want to, say, 96 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: defend your own home, do you want to shoot your 97 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: wife when she comes home at two thirty in the morning, uh, 98 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: after work and wakes you up. And there are ways 99 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: to mitigate that and and it's really easy and it's 100 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: really cheap. So yeah, let's let's let's start with some 101 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: of those. Just if you're if you're new too, if 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: you've decided I need a gun for whatever reason, you 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: purchase a gun. Um, you know, I think the most 104 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: basic first things are in terms of like actually making 105 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: that relatively safe. Is number one, knowing which which kind 106 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: of firearm to purchase, and number two, and these are 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: not in order of importance, these are both very important. 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: Number two is securing that weapon properly, as opposed to 109 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: just having it laying loose in the house, which is 110 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: never the best place. The best way to store a firearm, 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,559 Speaker 1: is it. Um, Yeah, I mean I own a number 112 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: of personal firearms. Um. You know, I'm in my office 113 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: right now where I got a locked door where nobody 114 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: can get in, and I got a gun safe back 115 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: behind the monitors. Um. And you know I'm comfortable with that. 116 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: But if if it was in a place where kids 117 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: could get at it, you don't want to just stuff 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: it in, uh, in a sock in the closet, which 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: is actually what my mom did when I was a kid. Yeah, 120 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean safe storage and I mean really being able 121 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: to identify your target is probably the biggest preventer of 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: like inter family accident, because I know, you know, we 123 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: do talk about safe storage kids and all that. But um, 124 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: back to the wife coming home. If you just put 125 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: a light on your gun, hundred dollar light, you can 126 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: look at the thing that you're shooting in the middle 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: of the night and uh, not shoot someone you don't 128 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: want to shoot. Yeah. I would go so far as 129 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: to say that, like if you've got a home defense 130 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: weapon without a light on it, Um, you don't fully 131 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: have a home defense weapon. No, no, yeah, you know, Um, 132 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be useless in roughly half of the situation. 133 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: And statistically, like if you're looking at when people are 134 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: actually tend to be endangered in their own homes, the 135 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: vast majority of the situations in which you might be 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: in danger. Um. When it comes to weapons selection, uh, 137 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: this is another area where like if you go on 138 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: maybe one of the worst places in the world to 139 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: have this discussion as Twitter, because everybody has the opinions 140 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um. I tend to say because I think 141 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: most people when they're looking for a first gun, if 142 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: they're if they're committed, just like thinking of personal defense, 143 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: they're going to go for like a lock or something. 144 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: And I think unless you're planning on carrying a gun, 145 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: And you can correct me if you disagree here, but 146 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: I tend to think a handgun again, unless you're intending 147 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: on carrying a concealed weapon is the last thing that 148 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: you should own as a gun owner. Um. I got 149 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: a mixed opinion on that. I mean, yeah, I think that, uh, 150 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: the handiness of a handgun can outweigh some of the issues. 151 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: I know you guys dealt with fires up there, we 152 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: have hurricanes. Um, being able to stick a handgun into 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: a backpack you know it can go a long way, 154 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: or being ab um, keep keep it on you in 155 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: your car because here were depend on state laws. Everything 156 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: you say depends on state laws. Yeah, there are states 157 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: where you can. Yeah. Yeah. If you're in California and 158 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: you're in one of the counties that it doesn't issue 159 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: a concealed carry of license like l A, it's really 160 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: hard to get one. From what I understand, you got 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: to get to San Berndino if you want to get 162 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: one of those. Yeah, I mean, first off, like tooth, 163 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: I got a short list of guns, and like two 164 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: thirds of the list illegal in California. They're they're not 165 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: on roster. But for what's most usable against our most handy, 166 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: it's probably a handgun. But if you're expecting a threat 167 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: more than like thirty feet away, have something other than 168 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: a handgun. Handguns they suck at hurting people, they suck 169 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: at killing people. They're they're ineffective. They're hard to use. 170 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, say thirty ft away. But if you're not 171 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: training regularly hitting something reliably in a stressful situation at 172 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: thirty with a hand it can be difficult. It's not easy. Yeah, um, 173 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: it's not easy, And I tend to recommend number one. 174 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: There are some options, like even if you're sticking with 175 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: a handgun, there are different kind of um like uh 176 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: options for that. Like I I'm a big advocate of 177 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: pistol caliber carbines, which is essentially the size of a 178 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: small rifle, so you can fit them easily in a backpack. 179 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: Every backpack I've owned, you can. You can stick something 180 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: like um like a Sazy scorpion in without much difficulty. 181 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: And because they're so When you're talking about what makes 182 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: a weapon easier to use, Number one of the number 183 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: one things is size. So the longer the barrel, the 184 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: more accurate it is. The heavier the gun, the less 185 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: recoil is a problem, the easier it is to use it. 186 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Range um and a pistol caliber carbine, you know, you 187 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: stick a light on that. That's a really good home 188 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: defense weapon. Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean especially uh people 189 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: will argue about the different types of magazines. But if 190 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: you buy one that takes a glock magazine and you 191 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: have a glock, you can build a full little load 192 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: out that's just takes all the same magazines. One is 193 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: more accurate. One is a handgun. UM, and you know, 194 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: all the same AMMO. You're not having to uh figure 195 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: out and read a bunch on on what kind of 196 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: AMMO you need and stuff like that. You just buy 197 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: one and it works for everything. Yeah, and when when 198 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about AMMO, I think one of the most 199 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: important things, like especially if you're worried about a survival situation, 200 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: is availability UM, which is the nice thing about like 201 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: what we call the NATO calibers, and the NATO calibers 202 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: are nine millimeter seven six two by fifty one better 203 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: known as three O eight your grandpa's hunting rifle seven 204 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: UM or it's thirty six but whatever UM and then 205 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: five five six slash two to three and those are 206 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: the rounds that's like five six is the standard. That's 207 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: what's in your bog standard a r UM and so 208 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: almost no matter what happens, UM, including you know ammo crunches. 209 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: You will be able to find some amounts of those 210 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: calibers generally, and you're going to find a box of bullets. 211 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: They might not even own a gun and they got 212 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: a boxing nine millimeter. Yeah, everybody's got nine millionaire and UM, 213 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: so yeah, I think that the basics of like, um, 214 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: what to get if you're looking at kind of just 215 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: a basic defensive arm. Um, you know how to store 216 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: it safely? You know those kind of questions are important. 217 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: Um when it comes to training. Uh, what are some 218 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: of in your opinion, like the mistake that you see 219 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: people make when it comes to kind of of practicing 220 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: training with their weapon. Um, going to an n R 221 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: a basic like four hour class and thinking that you 222 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: are a god. Um, they're there are people who have 223 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: spent um five days a week going to classes and 224 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: doing training because there's practice and then there's training. Training 225 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: is where someone teaches you something. Uh, practices where you 226 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: go with what you're already taught. Right. Um, So there 227 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: there are people that spend all that time and there's 228 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: still not the best in the world. Um, there are 229 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: people who do a ton of practice. Jerry Micklock. You know, 230 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen him shoot, but 231 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's like the fastest gun in the world 232 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: or something like that. Um, his videos are crazy. Oh yeah, yeah, 233 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean he'll he'll outshoot a full auto gunyah with 234 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: with revolvers and it's just like, you know, it's just 235 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: absolutely mind blowing. Um. But know he's like he's like 236 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: he's like Michael Jordan or something. You know, you just 237 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: get people who have almost it's just not natural ability. Um, 238 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: certainly married with a practicing but yeah, continue, if if 239 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: you had a fight a gunfight, which they really don't 240 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: happen that much, but if you had a gun fight 241 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: between um, a guy with a high point C nine 242 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: who had the cheapest, cheapest quote reliable handguns on the 243 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: face there. If if you had a guy with that 244 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: that had had paid five hundred dollars for a training 245 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: class over weekend and still went in uh, went to 246 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: the shooting range every week and practiced and um or 247 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: not even every week, just every month, and then did 248 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: dry fire drills once a month in his garage or whatever. 249 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Versus a guy who went out and bought a Wilson 250 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: Combat three thousand dollar nineteen eleven but had only taken 251 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: the n R A class. I will bet on the 252 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: guy with the eight or the C nine all day long. Um, 253 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: even if he's only got one bullet, you know, yeah, 254 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: don't don't care. He'll win. And often like for all 255 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: of it, for all of the guys you see, you know, 256 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: within all of their tactical gear and whatnot, and their 257 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: spare mag's taking a three hundred rounds out. If you 258 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: actually look at most defensive shootings, Um, it's very common, 259 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: and I think like like three to five rounds, three 260 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: to five rounds generally closer than thirty feet, sometimes closer 261 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: than like ten or fifteen. It sits in my pocket 262 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: most of the time. It's nineteen. It's so tiny. Um, 263 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: it has more bullets than I'll ever need to gunfight. Probably. 264 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: I think I want to pivot from this point to um. 265 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: We started this by it introducing that you you spent 266 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: some time in the A t F, spent some time 267 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: in the FPS. I haven't had any personal interactions the 268 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: A t F, but I have met some FPS guys. 269 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of curious, especially as because I 270 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: came in contact with you through your through your Twitter, 271 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: where you're you're very my personal Twitter. Yeah, and you're 272 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: you're quite politically active now, um, in a way that 273 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: I think is surprising people for someone with your background. 274 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with kind of tracing sort of the 275 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: broad strokes of your journey there, because I think that's instructive, 276 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: um for folks oh at FPS specifically, well, just kind 277 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: of what brought you from there to hear? Oh? Um, 278 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: So I got kind of uh, oh man, what what's 279 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: what's the word for when you just get uh? I 280 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I just I got to a point I 281 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: showed up for for work at four thirty in the morning, 282 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: and I was literally shuffling through some some paperwork and 283 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: and was getting ready to file a warrant and just 284 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of realized I didn't think that it needed to happen, 285 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I talked to my supervising agent about it, 286 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: and um, was kind of told too bad, And and 287 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: I put in for some vacation time and ended up 288 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: putting in a resignation while I was on vacation. I 289 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: mean that that's the gist of how I became not 290 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: a cop. Yeah, And UM, I'm wondering, kind of what 291 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: do you think is there anything that kind of I 292 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: don't know what looks different to you now as you've 293 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: kind of left that behind. Was it like sort of um, 294 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm guessing there's like a period like a goldfish, you know, 295 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: in a new bowl of of acclamation to to life 296 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: outside of being a cop um? Like what what were 297 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: the first kind of things that started to shift in 298 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: your perspective when you left that that thought space. I'll 299 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: tell you what, watching or reading whatever, an article or 300 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: a YouTube video, especially now that body cams are more 301 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: and more are prevalent. It is watching something, reading the 302 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: the press release, and going But that's that's not what happened. 303 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Like I just watched it and and and going from 304 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: being able to justify it in your own mind and 305 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: literally argue with people and be a hundred percent convinced 306 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: like that was a good shoot. Um Castillo? What it was? 307 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: Philandro Castillo? Yeah, oh god? And he was. Man, if 308 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: you've if you've gotten lost track of this shooting in 309 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: between all the others. Filando was a black man, a 310 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: legal gun owner with a legal concealed carry permit, who 311 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: was pulled over with his girlfriend and child in a 312 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: car and hands on the wheel, told the officer he 313 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: had a gun uh, and got shot. Um, and it 314 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: did the thing you're supposed to do. Although now actually 315 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: since then you will get like some states will and 316 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: some training classes will recommend if it's not legally required 317 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: and you're carrying a gun, don't say anything for that reason. 318 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, the command to not reach for 319 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: the gun to being shot multiple times in the chest 320 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: was like under two seconds. Um, So I mean, I 321 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: mean the decision was already made as soon as as 322 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: soon as he gave the command, the decision was made. 323 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: Here's what that brings me to in terms of a 324 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: question that's relevant to the topic of community self defensive potential, 325 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: community armed self defense, because that's not that is a 326 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: that is a cop problem, but that's not just a 327 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: cop problem. And what happened everybody problem in the chop 328 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: in the chairs in Seattle, the the autonomous zone is 329 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: evidence of that. You had this situation where people, after 330 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: nights and nights of mostly inaccurate warnings about proud boys 331 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: coming to attack, got amped up, they had guns, some 332 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: kids drove by in a car and they fucking shot 333 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: him to death. Um. And it is the same it's 334 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the same mental thing happening. You don't have to have 335 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: a badge for that that mindset to infect, especially when 336 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: you're carrying a gun. Um, how do you, in your opinion, 337 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: fight back against that? Be fucking chill? Uh? You know, 338 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: like like honestly, Um, if you were a teenager, which 339 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: we grew up in almost the same place you're from, plain, Oh, 340 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm from Capel, so I would have argued with you 341 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: about them being the same place when I was. But 342 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: they're the same place. Yeah, they're absolutely the same place. 343 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah one has uh one has uh woot dot com 344 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: and the other one has raytheon so you know, and 345 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of hospitals. Um. But uh, you and I 346 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: grew up in the same time, same place, same types 347 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: of schools. How many times did you see in like 348 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: high school or even middle school, just a guy hit 349 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: on a girl and then the girl's boyfriend comes over 350 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: and just start fighting him, like like like the guy 351 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: had no reason to know, he didn't know he was 352 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. Um. And I'm not suggesting, I'm sorry. 353 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: What I'm pointing out is that, Um, it's almost ingrained 354 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: in us at a societal level to react violently to 355 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: maintain like our personal position. And if that means that 356 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm in my neighborhood and I don't recognize someone, it 357 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: may seem like violence is the right way to go. 358 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: That's actually what what you're doing when like what's it 359 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: called Karen ng you know where you call somebody the 360 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: black kid yelled, uh selling water bottles or whatever. UM. 361 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: I know that was one in New York where the 362 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: police came and harassed you know, some like twelve year 363 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: old black kids because they were selling water bottles. Um. 364 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. I mean, you know in that case, 365 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: you're not personally doing the violence, You're just calling somebody 366 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: else to do it for you. UM. Because you know, 367 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: the police are kind of violence, violence, of monopoly and 368 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: all that. Yeah. Yeah, And that's U. One of the 369 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: most I think important things about that is the idea 370 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: of UM violence is like when you when you're willing 371 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: to accept violence to kind of maintain your your your 372 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: social position or something. UM. And I think that has 373 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: a huge amount to do with with the kind of 374 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: violence you see UM at protests with like we've had 375 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, protests quote unquote security here in Portland, people 376 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of declaring themselves security and what does that mean 377 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: shooting other kids with guns for graffiti, Like, but it is, 378 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: it is a matter for it's they're not doing it 379 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: to protect anybody. They're doing it because they've declared themselves security. 380 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: Somebody doesn't listen to what they say and their ego 381 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: is hurt. It's the same thing that again cops do. 382 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: It's this, it's a human mindset. It's not just a 383 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: a cop mindset. And um, I think you when you're 384 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: talking about like, I think there's a couple of things. 385 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: Number One, if you're going to be armed and if 386 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: you're going to be armed in the community self defense role, 387 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: one of the things you have to accept is that 388 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: like you're not as a person who is armed and 389 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: cares about the defense of your community, you're not a 390 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: separate thing from them. I think that's one of the 391 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: areas where which policing goes wrong. May view yourselves as separate. Yeah, 392 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: and I know you guys have a big problem with that. Um, 393 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: we do here too. I live in a metro and 394 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: our metro police, like them, don't even live in the county. Yeah, 395 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: they all go the same here. Yeah. Yeah, they don't 396 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: even not just the city, they don't live in the 397 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: whole county. Um. And that's despite they get a living 398 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: allowance if they'll live in the city, and there's a 399 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: bunch of if they live in the city, they get 400 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: a take home car. There's a bunch of incentives to 401 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: try and get people to live here, and they still 402 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: won't do it. They want to go live in the 403 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: next sheriff over the next county where yeah, we have 404 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: a very vocal share off the next county. Odor who's 405 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: who's really racist? And all that ship? And I yeah, 406 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: I think if you're if you're talking about like the 407 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: potential of of again of like armed community self defense, Um, 408 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: you almost I almost would prefer phrasing it differently, community 409 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: self defense, you know, um, which should be the entire community. Yeah, yeah, 410 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: community And you're not the gun isn't what you are. 411 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: You're not you're not security. You're not self defense because 412 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: you're armed your self defense because you're a member of 413 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: the community. And if you personally choose to be armed, 414 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: that is an option that is expanded to you specifically 415 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: because you're armed. But it doesn't change fun. It shouldn't 416 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: change what you are. And if it does, there's a 417 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: phrase that I think is really useful. Um, the finger 418 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: pulls the trigger and if you want to avoid or 419 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: the trigger pulls the finger. Sorry. And it's this idea 420 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: that when you show up armed, and you're showing up 421 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: armed as someone like your purpose there is to be armed, 422 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: you're at at heavy risk of the weapon guiding your responses. Um. 423 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: And that's the most important thing in any circumstance to 424 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: avoid if you're carrying a weapon. If if you've got 425 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: a hammer, everything's a nail. Ye. Well, and and uh, 426 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: the last twenty years we've had kind of a with 427 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: the War on Terror. You've seen a proliferation in media 428 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: around um, making Navy Seals and all that ship look 429 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: really really really cool. Uh, every other movie is about that, 430 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: even though like really they're just drunk guys who yell 431 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: at people a lot and who occasionally commit murder to 432 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: protect Or was that was that the Seals? Was that 433 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: the Green Berets who killed that guy to protected drug trafficking? Greg? 434 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean probably both? Oh you know that that was 435 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: the Green Berets in North Carolina? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 436 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: I mean and it crosses all all borders. Um. But 437 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: one thing that's come out of that is we we've 438 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: started to call those guys operators. Right, So you've gone 439 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: from a gun being a tool that someone trains there 440 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: to use too, they are merely an operator of a 441 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: weapons system. Um. And it it's kind of dehumanizing like 442 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: it it allows you to get out of the thought 443 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: on that. Um, it's exactly what you were talking about. 444 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: Where where the triggers really pulling the finger at that point? Um? Yeah, 445 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: And it's it's I think there's a number of I 446 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: don't know, there's a number of tactics and more than 447 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: we can get through, and that we'll be talking with 448 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: some other community to self defense people at some point 449 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: in the near future about this, because this is a 450 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: big topic, right, and it's not one I haven't seen 451 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: anyone do it super well yet in the United States 452 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: like we anytime you have kind of persistent right wingers 453 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: do every once in a while. Yeah, yeah, they take 454 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: over BLM land. Yeah yeah, but then they die. I 455 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: forgot about that. Yeah they did get killed. Um. And 456 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: I think that it's it's a it's a really messy 457 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: topic because of you know, what you brought up is 458 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 1: a valid point. All the everything that all the kind 459 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: of social baggage there is around weaponry in this in 460 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: this country and in our in our culture, this kind 461 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: of like worship of the gun. And if you think 462 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: like the left is any more immune to that than 463 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: the right, you're wrong. You see the same you know, 464 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: toxic behavior all around. You have to be extremely cognizant 465 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: of it, even if you know it's something at the 466 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: risk board. There is UM. Weapons in general have a 467 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: mental impact on us carrying them. UM, And there is 468 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: there is a level of just like being around weaponry 469 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: that is entrancing. It's it's a human thing. You know, 470 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: we make weapons, it's we're tool using apes and weapons 471 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: are some of the first tools that we made that 472 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: that are responsible for why you know, we get to 473 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: tell the dogs and the cats what to do. UM. 474 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: And you have to you have to really approach being 475 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: armed from a standpoint of rejecting a lot of that 476 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: if you're going to do it responsibly. I mean, among 477 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: other things, the idea that you might have to use 478 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: a gun UM has to be you're you're very close 479 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: to your worst nightmare. UM, because it would be it 480 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: would be if you ever actually had to use one. UM. 481 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: At minimum, you're talking like when you actually look at 482 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: like legal self defense shoots you're talking minimum the next 483 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: if you kill somebody, at least minimum, the next year 484 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: of your life is dealing with the legal consequences of that. Sure, 485 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: and probably hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, I mean, 486 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: if you're having if if IF IF file, if charges 487 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: get filed, you're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars for 488 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: like a capital defense case, if not millions. Yeah, And 489 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: and that's in you know there. There's one of the 490 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: gun YouTubers that I like to push people towards it 491 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: for this kind of stuff, as a guy named Paul 492 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: Harrold who was certainly more on the conservative side, but 493 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: who actually killed somebody in a self defense and went 494 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: through the whole legal process afterwards. And he has a 495 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: couple of videos where he talks about it and he 496 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: gives I think pretty good advice on that that is 497 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: that is completely without ego because it was a nightmare 498 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: for him. It was the worst experience of his life, 499 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: which is what it's going to be if you ever 500 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: have to use a gun, and that should be like, 501 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: that should be the top of your that should be 502 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: the top of your mindset. You know, I've been in 503 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: this situation a couple of times at protests where like 504 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: someone pulls a knife and starts lunging at people and 505 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: I have a gun and I'm fifteen feet away, And 506 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: I never drew in part because it never quite crossed 507 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: that line for me, and I knew that giving people 508 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: the chance to de escalate was vastly more important than 509 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: um introducing a second weapon to the situation immediately. And 510 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: if things had gone different, perhaps I would feel differently 511 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: about my choices in that moment. But um, they didn't 512 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: and nobody got hurt. And that's always the best case scenario, 513 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: even if it's somebody you really dislike who is who 514 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: is threatening people with a weapon. I swear that happened 515 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: up in Olympia like two weeks ago. Yeah, well the 516 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: shooting in Olympia, which was a guy named Tiny who 517 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: got shot. Um, and there's video of it. It's absolutely 518 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 1: not a legally justified shoot for sure. Like, yeah, he 519 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: was he was like forty ft away, you know. Um, yeah, 520 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: but he's really tall. He is big, he is I 521 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: think that counts for something. He was tall, he was tall, 522 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: he was chasing them, he was armed. Um. Not making 523 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: a moral case here. I think legally they would have 524 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: had a trouble. Had they stayed around. Now, of course 525 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: they've got I believe they've been arrested at this point. 526 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: Oh have they? I just heard it, didn't think so, 527 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: so sorry. I don't mean to crash it for a second. 528 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: I think I saw our our best friend Andy post 529 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: something about it three days ago. Three I must have 530 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: missed this. Yeah, okay, so they did. They did arrest 531 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, and it's you know, it's another thing 532 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: if you, um, if you feel if if you're involved 533 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: in like a shooting that you feel is a justified 534 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: legal shooting. Um, you don't. You don't leave the scene. Uh. 535 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: And in fact, one of the better videos you'll get 536 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: on like what to Do and uh, this guy's life 537 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: has gone to ship because of the political nature of 538 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: the shooting. But the guy in um in Denver who 539 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: shot that dude at a protest, the pinker, I'll tell you, 540 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, no, no matter what you want to say 541 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: about whether or not it was a good shoot, yeah 542 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: that that he dropped that fucking guy, he dropped head 543 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: down on his knees. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. 544 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, again, the court case is not settled out, 545 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: so I don't know if that guy's story is going 546 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: to end happily. But in terms of if you want 547 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: to not get shot yourself and you want to have 548 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: the maximum chance of defending yourself if you have to 549 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: shoot somebody in a situation that's legally justified. What that 550 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: guy did after the shoot is how to handle it, um, 551 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: And I mean the evidence for that is he did 552 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: not get shot. And obviously your mileage with that's going 553 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: to vary depending on your skin color. Uh. Yeah, that's 554 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: a big factor. Yeah, in terms of actual training, people 555 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: can like pay for if they if they want to 556 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: take that step, which I think is a good idea. Um, 557 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: who do you do? You do you have kind of 558 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: like broad recommendations for how people can know if something's 559 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, because there's this is certainly a space where 560 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of grifters and whatnot. Um. Yeah, I 561 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: mean most of the beginner level uh how to fight 562 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: with a gun are two to three days long. Like that. 563 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: That's a good starting point is the fact that you're 564 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: going to pay probably three to five hundred dollars per day, um, 565 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: and it's going to be multiple days long. You can't 566 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: because you're going from a baseline you know, they know 567 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: you already know how to point and shoot a gun, 568 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: but they're going to go up for everything on how 569 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: to draw, how to move, how to reload. Um, you're 570 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna have some classroom time going over their specific safety 571 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: instructions and stuff like that. Um. But anything you can 572 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: do in one day or four hours or forty rounds 573 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: or whatever, it isn't going to cut it. Um. You 574 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: need to go get something, and you need to listen 575 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: because they're going to ask you to do things that 576 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: might not be the way you want to do it. 577 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: You might say, yeah, that's not the way my dad 578 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: taught me how to reload a handgun. Um. A good 579 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: example is actually, UM tactical response in Tennessee. They a 580 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: lot of people hate them, but they have a very 581 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: specific way that they say, everyone reloads this way in 582 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: our class. You know, you put it in and you 583 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: sling shot the slide. Um, And the people argue and go, well, 584 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: I want to just press the button. Well the button 585 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: is cool and all, but we want you to sling 586 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: shot the slide. Just do it for this class. Um. Sorry, 587 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: I got a little off topic there, No, no, no, 588 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: that that's a good point too, because I mean just 589 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: go in and listen. Um, And you don't have to 590 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: take everything away. You take what you saw as good 591 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: usable information and merge that with what you already know, 592 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: maybe throw away some of what you already know when 593 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: you've got this ball a goo that you can work 594 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: with for practice. Um. Yeah, yeah, and yeah it is. 595 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: And to that point when you're talking about like training, 596 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: one of the differences between handguns and rifles, Like all 597 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: all shooting, as always there's a degree of perishable nous 598 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: to it, but shooting a handgun is a much more 599 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: perishable skill than shooting a rifle. Um. And it's it's 600 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: so if you're going to be armed with a handgun, UM, 601 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: it really behooves you to take to train, you know, 602 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: because you're only as good as how often you've been 603 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: out there, really um and having a stay a good foundation, 604 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: like taking some real professional classes will help a lot 605 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: in that as opposed to just kind of going out 606 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: to the range every now and again. But yeah, um, 607 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: let's talk at the s the last little bit of 608 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: this here about kind of the gun that's always on 609 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: the tip of everybody's tongue when you start talking about 610 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: being armed and armed self defenses you know the A 611 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: R platform. Um, it's a gun with a lot of baggage, 612 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of cultural baggage, and it's it has 613 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: become vastly more than just a firearm in our culture. 614 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: Um what a what? What do you what? Are kind of? 615 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 1: Because I am a big advoc kit of people who 616 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: who are open to being armed getting an A R platform. 617 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a great gun to learn. I mean 618 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: it goes yeah, it goes bang really well almost every time, 619 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: as long as it's from a reputable manufacturer. Um, despite 620 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: what some people say, they're very reliable. Um, they're easy 621 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: to clean. Literally as long as you keep them lubricated, 622 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: even in the field, you keep it lubricated, it will 623 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: just just keep banging out rounds. Um. It functions in 624 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this during the episodes on 625 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: like you know, food storage in and whatnot. Like, where 626 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: there's a there's the there's the cheap version. I like 627 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: stuff where there's there's the cheap version that works, and 628 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: there's the expensive version that works. And you you have 629 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: that with an A R. You can get a very 630 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: inexpensive are and you can you can replace every part 631 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: of that are over the next five years and have 632 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: a six thousand dollar gun. I I did um minor 633 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: price checking last night because I was like, you know, 634 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: I haven't checked the price the retail prices on stuff, right, 635 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: so in like your your budget tier normal price that 636 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: that's out right Now, you've got like a Ruber a 637 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: R five five six. There's seven hundred bucks. That's that's 638 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: dirt cheap and it's gonna go bang just the same gun. Yeah. 639 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: I have a friend who who's who's a r is 640 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: a five five six and they're very solid. Yeah, they 641 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: just they go bang every time. You're not going to 642 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: break up. Um. I mean, as long as you don't 643 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: use it like a baseball bat, you're not going to 644 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: break up, especially now that the Russian steelcase dammo has 645 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: been banned. But then like the the other end of 646 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: the spectrum is you got a sick right, Yeah, I've 647 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: got a couple. Okay, So you know what the rattler is. 648 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a fun one. I do not own 649 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: a rattler, but they are they are cute, do you 650 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: know how much? Well, for first off, the rattler, it's 651 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: a short, bare old five five six. It's not really 652 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: an air of fifteen, but technically it kind of is 653 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: um and it's well, how about this, how much do 654 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: you think that the Rattler costs? Right now, don't don't 655 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: go look just just techs would be my guess. Now 656 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: it's uh now, I actually put it in my category 657 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: of honorable mentioned slash meme because it's kind of a 658 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: meme gun. Uh. It's so tiny, um, but I don't 659 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: want to get shot with it. But that's kind of 660 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: the spread we were talking about, which is, you know, 661 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: you can get a seven hundred dollar gun and it'll 662 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: go bang the exact same way as the rattler. Um, 663 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,959 Speaker 1: it fires the same bullet um, and you can build 664 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: up to something not like a Rattler, but you can 665 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: build up to um a bunch of Novesky parts. You 666 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: can throw a bunch of Novesky parts into that ruger 667 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: lower and upper that you bought and build a really 668 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: awesome gun that will be you know, ninety nine percent reliable. Yeah, yeah, 669 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: and you can uh, you know, I think generally if 670 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 1: you're buying like a again, you're you're getting kind of 671 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: a bargain basement. Are one of the first things that 672 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: that it's going to behoove you to replaces the optics. 673 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: You know, it'll probably start with iron sights. But these 674 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: don't even come with anything. Yeah, usually they come with 675 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: nothing on them, and you have to stick the irons 676 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: or you stick a reflex site. There's a whole world 677 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: of um of optics, and I think one of the 678 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: actually one of the websites I recommend people check into 679 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: if you're looking and kind of reading up on this 680 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: and and doing your due diligence is Pew pew tactical um. 681 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: They do not written from like a super you know, 682 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: chetty or whatever. Like you get a lot of very 683 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: political gun websites that may have some good information but 684 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: are frustrating to read. They're not that way. They're written 685 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, four people who are not super aggro about guns, 686 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: but who are are are interested in guns, and you 687 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: can find really good reviews on stuff. But as a 688 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: general rule, modern optics beat iron sights every day of 689 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: the like they prefer I I and I do in 690 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: some on my a case, I vastly prefer using irons, 691 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: but that would never be the weapon I would pick 692 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: if I was in a situation where I needed a weapon. 693 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean I think everyone should learn 694 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: how to use iron sights, absolutely. But if I can 695 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: hand someone a four and fifty dollar aim point pro 696 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: which which is uh the budget version of a high 697 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: end optic, if I can put a four optic with 698 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: the mountain everything onto a rifle and just go, hey, 699 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: just just put the dot on what you want to shoot, 700 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: You're done. Um. Now, there's a lot that goes past that, 701 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: but we got rid of the entire proper site alignment 702 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: and all that. They just got to put the dot 703 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: on the box and squeeze. Yeah. Yeah, I mean even 704 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: even the Marine Corps, famous for for fielding marks my 705 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: has gone we're going to switch over to optic based training. Yeah, 706 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: they're just I mean you look at even guys in 707 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: like Idlib Province, which is like one of the rebel 708 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: provinces in Syria that's been persistently under siege for most 709 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: of the last decade. Um, they're all using fancy optics 710 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: now like that generally alten Ali Baba versions of like 711 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: brand optics. But it does the trick, you know. I mean, 712 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: it's a it's a sig Romeo that never got the 713 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,959 Speaker 1: role market for cig on, yeah exactly, And they paid 714 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: a hundred bucks instead of four fifty. Yeah. Um, alright, well, 715 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: I think that's most of what we can responsibly get through. 716 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: I do want to end on the caveat we started 717 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: with this with, which is that UM deciding whether or not. 718 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: And I we advocate, uh, firearms is an option both 719 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: as a legal option and something that can be for 720 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: your community and for you as an individual potentially practical. 721 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: I don't blanket advise people to buy guns. I think 722 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: in many case ass it's going to be counterproductive. I 723 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: think you should not own a firearm. Again, if you're 724 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: someone who struggles with suicidal ideation, they they can be 725 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: a very dangerous thing to have in your home. If 726 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: that's something that that you battle with. I do think 727 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: that they can be owned and used very responsibly. In 728 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: addition to I think shooting can be a really enjoyable pastime. Um. 729 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: And I think more than anything, when a whole bunch 730 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: of people who are talking about killing you all have guns, 731 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: it can behoove you to own a firearm as well 732 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: if you're a member of one of those communities. So 733 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: please don't take any of this. As Robert Evans says, 734 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: everyone go buy a gun. But if you're going to 735 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: buy a gun, there's there's a right way and a 736 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: responsible way to go about it, and there's you know, 737 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: picking up a random twelve gauge and shoving it under 738 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: your bed, which is no more shotguns for home defense. 739 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah they're not, they're not ideal. Um yeah, I mean 740 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 1: we can, we can talk about over penetration and stuff, 741 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:04,439 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean just being able to move lead 742 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: in a direction. They're very bad at it. Yeah, um yeah, yeah, 743 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: they they're they're not they're not. I mean again, something 744 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: like uh an a R or a pistol caliber carbine 745 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: is in a lot of situations going to be a 746 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: much more practical and and have less risk of hitting 747 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: stuff you don't want to hit necessarily. Get the high point? Um, 748 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: yeat the Yeah they eat cannon. Well we'll discuss that 749 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: on our whole episode of about high points. So you've 750 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 1: shot yourself in the dick the high points story. All right, Well, um, 751 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: do you wanna Paul, you've got any got anything to 752 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: plug before we roll out here? Uh, give food to 753 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: homeless people, well houseless, houseless I think is yeah. Um, 754 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: And if you're in an area with a based d 755 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: S A join the d s I and then with 756 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: out the ships. That's what's happening here in Orlando. Um, 757 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, embrace anarchy. Well, I'm Robert Evans, this is 758 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: gonna podcast and uh and remember as we sail out, 759 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: there's a reason the episode talking about guns came after 760 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: the episodes talking about storing and growing food. Robert Evans here, 761 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask for your help. There is 762 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: a Portland area woman Ruby to Mimi. She's an Arabic 763 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: interpreter and a Palestinian liberation activist, and she is trying 764 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: to save her home at the moment. She's got to 765 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: go fund me. If you go to save Ruba's house, 766 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: are you be a on go fund Me? You'll find it. 767 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: Save Ruby's house on go fund Me. You've got a 768 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,479 Speaker 1: few bucks. Um, she could really use it again, save 769 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 1: Ruba's house. Are you be a at go fund Me? Thanks? 770 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone 771 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: Media from our podcasts from cool Zone Media. 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