1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: The carnival cruise teen girl, the little cheerleader, we now 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: learn thought for her life, strangled dead a mechanical strangulation. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: What is that and why no charges? I'm Nancy Grace, 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: being with us. Teen girl Anna dead on a carnival cruise. 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: Her body is found stuffed under a cabin bed, life 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: vests stuffed on top of her to hide her dead body. 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: In the last hours, Anna Kettner, the teen girl cheerleader 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: going to that Titus Little Christian school, already had her 11 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: future mapped out, very organized, planning to join the military 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: and ultimately be a police officer in the K nine unit. 13 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: That little girl, the one scrubbed in sunshine. 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: Let's see a picture of Anna, please, there you go. 15 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: That's Santa Keptner. She's dead. Yes, the first photo was 16 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: her experimenting with blonde hair. She's dead, stuffed under a 17 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: cruise ship bed, wrapped in a blanket mummy style we've 18 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: been told, and then with life jackets crammed on top 19 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: of her to hide her body. 20 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: Listen, Anna Kaepner's death on board a carnival cruise ship 21 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: now ruled a homicide, her autopsy stating she was mechanically 22 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: asphyxiated by another person or person's The medical examiner finds 23 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: two bruises on the side of Anna's neck. She may 24 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: have been held in a bar hold, meaning her attacker 25 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: held an arm across her neck. 26 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: See her in her little dive shirt. She loved to scuba, 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: she loved to snorkel, she loved to fish, loved being 28 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: out on the water. Joining me at the scene. Private 29 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: investigator Robert Crispin with Cristmins Special Investigations, former Federal Task 30 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: Force for the Department of Justice. This is the US government. 31 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: He has worked his entire life in this jurisdiction. It 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: is a floating crime scene. And now, Robert Crispin that 33 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: we learn it was a mechanical strangulation. I'm going to 34 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: go to doctor Kimmel Crowns in just one moment, the 35 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: crime scene, the crime scene when you were living in 36 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: close quarters with someone sharing a small cramp space, the 37 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 2: DNA processing of that scene becomes even more vital. I mean, 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: it's like a peachry dish of DNA and now it's 39 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: all gone. Can you refresh everyone's recollection about the cruise 40 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: ship investigators that first process that scene. 41 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: Well, scary enough. 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 5: Those guys aren't crime scene tech guys, and they're not 43 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 5: former law enforcement guys. These are guys who took a 44 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 5: test on the internet, got their license, and all of 45 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 5: a sudden, they're protecting, you know, four thousand. 46 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: People on a cruise ship. 47 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 5: But what's critical about this homicide is going to come 48 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: down to DNA. 49 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 4: It's going to come down to DNA. 50 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 5: And what the medical examiner says in the autopsy, the 51 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 5: cause of death, et cetera, et cetera. More importantly, did 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 5: the victim fight DNA under her nails? 53 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: Did she scratch the suspect? 54 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 5: In all of these cases, Nancy, these victims fight for 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 5: their life. 56 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: They're clawing DNA is under their. 57 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 5: Nails of the suspect who's trying to kill them. This 58 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 5: is going to be very very very important, critical evidence 59 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 5: to go towards and arrest, an indictment or something to 60 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 5: get this guy or rested. 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: And put in jail. 62 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 5: It's going to take a little bit of time now 63 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 5: because obviously we don't have a confession, because if we 64 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: had a confession, he'd already be in jail. 65 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: So the FBI. 66 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: Right there, Robert Crispin. I heard you referring to cause 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: of death and mod man of death as et cetera, 68 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: et cetera. Okay. I remember reading one of my own 69 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: transcripts of a trial. I tried a felony and I 70 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: was writing the appeal to hold the conviction on appeal. 71 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: And I must have been very, very tired by the 72 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: end of that trial because I was arguing to the 73 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: judge and I was making my legal argument and said 74 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: and judge blah blah, Okay, like you're etcetera, etcetera. I 75 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: know one person, aside from myself that will take issue 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: with the cause of death and manner of death being 77 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: called et cetera, et cetera. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US 78 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Chief Medical Examiner Terran County, host of Hitney podcast Mayhem 79 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: in the Morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at the 80 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendel Crowns, thank 81 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: you for being with us. Got a lot of questions 82 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: for you about mechanical strangulation. What is it. 83 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 6: So? 84 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 7: Mechanical asphyxia is basically some sort of compression on the 85 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 7: chest or neck that makes it impossible for you to breathe. Specifically, 86 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 7: mechanical strangulation, what they're referring to as a bar hold 87 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 7: or chokehold, is where the arm is placed across the 88 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 7: front of the neck and then drawn back with the 89 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 7: other arm, impressing your trachea and making it impossible for 90 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 7: you to breathe. The other situation is the crotted sleeperhold, 91 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 7: where they put your neck in the cruck of the 92 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 7: arm and then compress both sides of your crodit causing 93 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 7: the blood not to flow to your brain and you 94 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 7: pass out. So either one of those scenarios could be 95 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 7: what they're defining as mechanical asphyxia or mechanical strangul. 96 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something. You put your arm across 97 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: your neck to demonstrate mechanical strangulation. But we have learned 98 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: tonight that Anna had two bruises on the side off 99 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: her neck, not the track, not the front, the side 100 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: off her neck. What does that mean? 101 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 7: So it could mean when they're compressing the neck with 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 7: the arm, that they're placing pressure with the other arm 103 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 7: along the side of the neck and the arm is 104 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 7: kind of to the side causing the bruising. It could 105 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 7: also mean that he placed her in a crotted sleeperhold 106 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 7: and using the cruck of his arm, both sides of 107 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 7: his arm compress on either sides of her neck, compressing 108 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 7: her karated and karatids, and caused her to pass out 109 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 7: and die from lack of blood to her brain. 110 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: You know another thing. Let me check with Shannon Butler 111 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: on this investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine in Florida, who's 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: been on Anna's case from the beginning. Shannon, we are 113 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: being told that while the entire autopsy is not complete, 114 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: specifically toxicology and other lab work, that there was no 115 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: sign of sex attack. Have you learned that as well? 116 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what we understand. I mean, remember, most of 117 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 8: the information that we had been getting came mostly from 118 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 8: family members, but that death certificate, at least preliminary information, 119 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 8: does suggest that that's the case. 120 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: Dancing, Okay, I'm looking at the death certificate. What part 121 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: of the death certificate tells you there was no sex attack. 122 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 8: Well, the death certificate does not, but information that we've 123 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 8: received from sources from the family members have indicated that 124 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 8: that is not a place. 125 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 9: In this situation. 126 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: Really really okay, because you refer to the death certificate 127 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: as proving there was no sex attack. And there's not 128 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: one word on this death certificate according that says anything 129 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: about lack of sex attack or sex attack, so it's 130 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: not on the death certificate. So we're getting the no 131 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: sex attack knowledge from the family. 132 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 133 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 8: The family and from other sources that are close to 134 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 8: this investigation. But that doesn't mean Okay, we're still a 135 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 8: long way from having all of the answers that we 136 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 8: need in this case. And I don't know that anybody 137 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 8: is satisfied with the information that's been released so far. 138 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Kendle Crowns, I want to follow up 139 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: on what Shannon Butler just told us from WFTV, Doctor 140 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns. If we don't have the toxicology report, yeah, 141 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: then how am I to believe that we have a 142 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: DNA result from a rape kit? 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 7: Well, toxicology reports can take up to six to eight weeks, 144 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 7: so you potentially don't have the DNA report back from 145 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 7: a sexual assault kit or a rape kit because there 146 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 7: hasn't been enough time pass. So again, there'd have to 147 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 7: be a little more testing done, a little more stuff 148 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 7: done by the crime labs before it's all back. My 149 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 7: answer to that is maybe there is still DNA out 150 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 7: there waiting to get done and we just don't know 151 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 7: about it yet. 152 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: Dodger Kentle Crowns, how long did you say would type 153 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: for a talks you for? 154 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 5: It? 155 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: Can't there be a rush on it. 156 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 7: There can be a rush on it, but typically it 157 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 7: can take six to eight weeks depending on what drugs 158 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 7: are on board. Especially if there's some sort of synthetic 159 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 7: or designer drug being looked for, it can take up 160 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 7: to two months. 161 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: What do you mean by synthetic or designer Please. 162 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 7: Like synthetic marijuana, bath salts, those kind of designer drugs 163 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 7: that every so often show up that we don't have 164 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 7: a lot of specific testing for. Some more has to 165 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 7: be done every day that the drug chemists are making 166 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 7: new variations on drugs that the toxicology labs are constantly 167 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 7: having to test for to try and keep ahead. 168 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 2: Of Now another issue straight up to Sydney Suner joining 169 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, the word is getting 170 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: put out that there was no sex attack and that 171 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: drugs or alcohol did not play a contributing factor in 172 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: her death. We don't even have the talks report. We 173 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: don't have a DNA report, so where is this coming from. 174 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: It's premature. 175 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 10: I agree it's premature. It's coming from family members who 176 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 10: have seen a more detailed death certificate than has been 177 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 10: released to the public. 178 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: But how do we know. 179 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 10: How do they know this information if those reports have 180 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 10: not been made official. There are so many confusing details 181 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 10: about this case. 182 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: Nancy, Yeah, Sidney, I think that people very often they 183 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: project what they want to be true. There was a 184 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: lot made at the get go, and this is on 185 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: a court video. We have it on video where a 186 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: civil attorney stated that the teens had been drinking. Now 187 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: Carnival Cruz says, oh no, they were absolutely not drinking. 188 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: But again, Robert Crispin, the proof will be in the pudding. 189 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: Everybody can say whatever they want to say right now. 190 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: No sex attack, sex attack, no drugs or alcohol. 191 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: Drugs are alcohol in the system. 192 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: We don't have any of those results. And again, remember 193 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: the bands that everybody wears on cruise ships. They will 194 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: tell it sure whether you I said earlier, had a 195 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: bag of chips, much less much less a drink. 196 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: Now, I don't know. 197 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: That Carnival Cruise will give a miner a drink, so 198 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: it may very well not show up on a risk band. Again, 199 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: they're denying any alcohol was served to a miner, but 200 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: could the miner get the alcohol in another way? Haven't 201 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: you ever driven up to a seven to eleven and 202 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: you see a bunch of teens out there and they're 203 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: paying people or asking people to bring them out beer. 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I've seen it. As a matter of fact. 205 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 5: Carnival's blanket statement has to be that Nancy. They can't 206 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 5: come out to the public and say that they serve 207 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 5: miners at sea. 208 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: They can't do that. 209 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 5: And any of this information that's coming out is being 210 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 5: released from the family. 211 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 4: And don't forget Nancy. 212 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 5: They had at least twenty four hours before that ship 213 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 5: got back to the port of Miami that that family 214 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 5: was able to get together, concoct their story and see 215 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 5: or decide what they're going to release. They had a 216 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 5: lot of time for family, protect family. And that's why 217 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 5: this family may not want to release that she was 218 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: sexually assaulted. 219 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: If she was, they didn't want that out there. 220 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: Hey, Crispin, Yeah, I learned that Anna was feeling badly. 221 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: She's felt poorly. It was because of her braces were 222 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: hurting her, and she asked to go back. She asked 223 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: to go back to the room early during dinner. She 224 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: went back, but then she got dressed up and re emerged. 225 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: And what we're learning is she had on this cute 226 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: little outfit. But in one report, Crispin, just one, it 227 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: said Anne was wrapped only in a blanket with life 228 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: Best stuffed over her only only in a blanket, which 229 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: led me to believe that she was naked under the blanket. 230 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: That's yet to be born out. But if that is true, 231 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: or if she was partially clothed, why else would she 232 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: have been partially clothed, stuffed under a twin bed, or 233 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: naked wrapped in a blanket unless there had been a 234 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 2: sex attack. What I'm saying is just because there's not DNA, 235 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: just because there's not sperm on or in her body, 236 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: does not mean there was not a sex attack. 237 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: Correct. 238 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 5: And if you go back and you listen to one 239 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 5: of the statements that was made from Anna's ex boyfriend's 240 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 5: father that the step son had climbed on top of 241 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 5: her one night when she was in bed. 242 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: You know, I know that Project Innocence and the Poverty 243 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: Law Institute and all the defense bars You're gonna get 244 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: mad when I say this, but they could just chew 245 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: on this. When you don't know a horse, look at 246 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: his track record. Listen. 247 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 11: She just didn't feel safe around him. She's scared to 248 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 11: tell anybody because she was scared that he would do 249 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 11: something to her. 250 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: Joshua too, says Anna's close relationship with her stepbrother was 251 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: one sided. The sixteen year old is obsessed with Anna 252 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: and made her uncomfortable with romantic advances. He once even 253 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: caught him trying to climb into Anna's bed while the 254 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: two were on FaceTime, Anna already asleep. 255 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 12: He said that I tried to tell the parents that 256 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 12: this was happening, and they didn't want to believe me. 257 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: He's like infatuated, attracted her like crazy. 258 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 4: He's always wanted the dator. 259 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 12: Chris doesn't realize it's his fault. This whole thing is 260 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 12: his fault. If he would have taken the warnings that 261 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 12: Anna's ex boyfriend gave him, then she would still be here. 262 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 12: So keep that in mind, Christopher, I blame you. 263 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: That from Inside Edition and at Just Mom nineteen eighty 264 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: four on TikTok, that's Anna's bio. Mom, So explain to 265 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: me Shannon Butler, investigative reporter WFTV. According to what we're 266 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: learning from her ex boyfriend Joshua Too, it's not just 267 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: what she said happened. He was on FaceTime with her. 268 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: They were facetiming late at night. Anna fell asleep, but 269 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: the FaceTime was still going and he, according to reports, 270 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: saw the sixteen year old stepbrother crawl on top of her. 271 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: He saw it. 272 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: It's not just her saying that happened to her, and 273 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: then he goes on to state she did not feel 274 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: safe around him. She was scared to tell anybody because 275 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: she thought he would quote do something to her. 276 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 9: That is what he said to reporters here. 277 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 8: He also told his dad that, and his dad told 278 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 8: reporters that there was always this fear Anna had of 279 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 8: her stepbrother, but it wasn't just something that she talked about. 280 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 8: The boyfriend said he knew about it and then he 281 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 8: saw that when it happened on FaceTime and even said 282 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 8: like get off of her. 283 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 9: So there are a lot of questions about. 284 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 8: Exactly what Anna told him and if that really happened, 285 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 8: but that was his statement to reporters just after she 286 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 8: was found dead on that Christian. 287 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: Two doctor Janey Lacy license p likecho therapist, CEO of 288 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: Life Counseling Solutions. She's an author, she's a star of 289 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: her own podcast on YouTube, Doctor Janey Lacey, thank you 290 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: for being with us. Why wouldn't she tell her parents? 291 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: Why did everybody else to know she was afraid of 292 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: the teens step brother? 293 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 13: Well, Nancy, I think this speaks to a larger issue 294 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 13: that I see in blended families, especially sometimes adult minimize 295 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 13: concerning behaviors because acknowledging them, Nancy would mean they have to. 296 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 14: Confront deeper problems in the family structure. 297 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 13: And there's often like this pressure to present this unified, 298 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 13: happy family image. But when children don't feel safe and 299 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 13: their safety doesn't come first, especially when a young woman 300 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 13: says she's uncomfortable when a boyfriend reportedly witnessing an appropriate behavior, 301 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 13: I mean, those things can't be dismissed. 302 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 14: So I would suggest that she probably didn't tell her 303 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 14: parents because of whatever the family dynamics, probably could have 304 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 14: been minimalization, dismissing, or there was no safety there, so 305 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 14: she confided in her boyfriend at the time, and perhaps 306 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 14: of friends. But we see this very common and blended 307 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 14: families when the picture of the happy family comes before 308 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 14: the safety and the feelings of the children. 309 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: Nancy to Spencer Erinfeld, known as the Cruz Lawyer, that's 310 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: one of his specialties. He's the founder of Aaronfeld Trial Lawyers. 311 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: He's also an author. Spencer's thank you for being with us. 312 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: Before I take you down the garden path of cruise 313 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: ship law. You had to confront this at some point 314 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: in court. One in four women look around you. One 315 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: in four women and or girls have been sex assaulted 316 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: in some way. 317 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: Bam. 318 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: Yet we know it's not reported. We know that the 319 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: statistics do not bear out that it is reported. There 320 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: is shame attached to it. The girl woman thinks it's 321 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: her fault. Wow, did I leave him? 322 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 15: On? 323 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Was that my fault? Society enforces it? Why she out 324 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: with a short skirt? 325 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 5: On? 326 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: Why she out at a bar by herself? Ad nauseum? 327 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: The victim is always blamed. And I wonder in this 328 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: case if this little girl, it goes to this title 329 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: Field Christian School, wants to be a K nine handler. 330 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: That's her aspiration. Was afraid no one would believe her 331 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: or even blame her. 332 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: What about it? 333 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: Aaron Feld? 334 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, Unfortunately, it's very true, Nancy. 335 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 6: Both men and women or the victims of sexual assault 336 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 6: are very reluctant to come forward for all the reasons 337 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 6: you just spoke of, the guilt, the shame, the stigma, 338 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 6: and all my years. 339 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 9: Of repenting victims of sexual assault on cruise lines, both. 340 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 6: Men and women, that many of them have been victimized before. 341 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 6: This is not the first time they have been the 342 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 6: victim of sexual abuse, so they have this compounded emotional 343 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 6: paralysis that stops them from reporting it. And Nancy, if 344 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 6: they do, the cruise lines, in my experience, are the 345 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 6: least hopeful to them in getting them the cure they 346 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 6: need and preserving the evidence of these types of assaults, 347 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 6: and the cruise lines are guilty of not reporting them 348 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 6: because those reports have to be on the Department of 349 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 6: Transportation website that will list the number of sexual assaults. 350 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 9: That happened per cruise line per quarter. And if they're 351 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 9: not reported, the cruise lines don't have to report it. 352 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 9: And if they're not report. 353 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: Enough, my stars, that's an incredible fact. 354 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 355 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: Now. Earlier, doctor Jenny Lacey was describing how some girls 356 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: may not come forward and tell their own family about 357 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: a family member or relative that is assaulting them. She 358 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: brought up that this was a blended family. Well, it's 359 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: very blended. Listen. 360 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: By the time Anna is five, Christopher Kaepner is having 361 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: an affair with a teenage babysitter. When Tabitha Donna Hugh 362 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: turns eighteen, Chris marries her and they have two children together. 363 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: Heather has a hard time maintaining a relationship with Anna 364 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: due to the bitter divorce with Chris. 365 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: We have reached out to Anna's family, we have not 366 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: heard back, and I want to remind everyone that nobody 367 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: has been charged tonight. And I'm wondering why we are 368 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: told doctor Kendall Crowns that she quote fought for her life. 369 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: How do we know that? 370 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 2: How could we possibly know that? Tell me Anna Nutshell, 371 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: how would we know she quote fought for her life? 372 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: There's evidence. 373 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 7: Often with strangulations, the evidence is trying to get the 374 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 7: UH objects off your neck, so you'll see scratch marks 375 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 7: on the neck from the individual's fingernails themselves. You can 376 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 7: also see injuries on the person who is the suspect 377 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 7: suspect in the case as well, scratches on their face, 378 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 7: scratches on their arms. If you see intense particular hemorrhages 379 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 7: or small pinpoint hemorrhages on the face, you know that 380 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 7: the compression may have been released and then brought back, 381 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 7: and it could be that sign of a struggle as 382 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 7: well as well as the bruising on her neck could 383 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 7: be from her thrashing about trying to get the restraint 384 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 7: off her neck. So there's a number of signs that 385 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 7: could show that she fought back to try and get 386 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 7: out of the hold. 387 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: A doctor, Kendlegrounds, You're amazing. You just told me two 388 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: things I hadn't already thought of. You mentioned that if 389 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: the stranglehold him to put on her and then released 390 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: and she still kept fighting and it was put back, 391 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: you're saying that that would result in additional particular hemorrhage, 392 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: which is all the stress. You know, when you're wearing, 393 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 2: you're getting your blood pressure right, and it feels like 394 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: part of your arm is going to blow up because 395 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: of the pressure. It gets so tight, right, That's what 396 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: happens to your eyes. The pressure is so tight that 397 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: the tiny blood vessels in your eyes hemorrhage, they burst, 398 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: and you see that in asphyxiation strangulation be manual or 399 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: ligature or mechanical. So explain to me what you were saying. 400 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: If the pressure had been put on your neck, released 401 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: and put back, what would you see as evidence of struggle? 402 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 7: So again, that would be the particular hemorrhages that you're 403 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 7: talking about, the little pinpoint hemorrhages you see in the eye, 404 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 7: but you also see them in the periocular region or 405 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 7: around the eyes as well, can be throughout the face, 406 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 7: the gums. And what happens is it only takes a 407 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 7: little bit of pressure to compress your jugular which is 408 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 7: four point four pounds, and you're crotted, which is eleven 409 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 7: pounds of pressure. And once those are compressed, you do 410 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 7: still have a little bit of vertebral artery circulation coming in. 411 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 7: But what happens when those are released all of a sudden, 412 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 7: that blood comes rushing back into your head. And then 413 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 7: if the compression comes back again, that blood is trapped 414 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 7: second time, and then that can cause the particular hemorrhages 415 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 7: to become more expressed or more pronounced, because you keep 416 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 7: getting that blood flow restored and then compressed, and then 417 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 7: restored and then eventually completely choked off or constricted. And 418 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 7: that's why you'll see more and more bursting of the 419 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 7: hemorrhages because of the blood keeps coming back in and 420 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 7: then getting stopped. 421 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: That helped me a lot, But I still have one 422 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: question regarding what does it prove? Is it primitive? Would 423 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: the original particular images look different than the second round 424 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: of particular hemorhages? I mean, can I look at her 425 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: particular images and determine that the pressure had been applied, released, 426 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 2: applied again? Could I tell that strictly from the particular 427 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: hemorrhage alone? 428 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 7: No, No, there would be no way. It's just if 429 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 7: they're really pronounced. Well, I'm telling you the science. But 430 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,239 Speaker 7: if it's really pronounced, you can get an idea that 431 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 7: there's been more blood flow restored. But if there's just 432 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 7: minimal particular hemorrhages that occurred initially, it won't be necessarily different. 433 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 7: It's just that the fact that there's more of them 434 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 7: means that there was more more. 435 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: She said something about thrashing her head back and forth. 436 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm trying to look for evidence proving a struggle because 437 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: we have been told, quote, she fought for her lie. 438 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 2: You mentioned scratches, got it agree? 439 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: But what did you say about her. 440 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: Thrashing her head back and forth, which would indicate a struggle. 441 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: How can I tell she thrashed. 442 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 7: Put the neck in a carotted sleeper hoole and she 443 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 7: starts pushing against the pressure on her neck that can 444 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 7: cause the bruising. Also internally, when the skin is dissected 445 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 7: up and you look at the neck muscles, you can 446 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 7: see stretching of stretching hemorrhages of the neck muscles from 447 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 7: them trying to pull out of the hold as well, 448 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 7: So you can see that internally like hemorrhages the musculture 449 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 7: that showed that she was violently fighting against the constrictive 450 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 7: process on her neck. 451 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: Anna excuses herself from dinner early, not feeling well. Surveillance 452 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: footage shows Anna walking back to and entering the room 453 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: she shares with her brothers. After eating, The teen boys 454 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: come back to the room before the youngest sibling ventures 455 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: out again to explore, leaving Anna and their stepbrother alone. 456 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 16: Anna's brother heard a heated argument between them in their 457 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 16: cabin the night before Anna was found dead. He heard 458 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 16: the stepbrother yelling at Anna, the sounds of furniture overturning 459 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 16: and screams from inside the room. 460 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 11: He heard him yelling at her, like in a harmful 461 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 11: way of like shut the hell up and stuff like that. 462 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 11: Like something was like banging around and stuff, and like 463 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 11: the chairs were getting thrown around in the room. 464 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: From Inside Edition, there's an investigation conducted by the FBI 465 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: arising out of sudden death of eighteen year old Anna 466 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: kept her The little girl was wrapped Anne and sheets, 467 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: possibly a blanket. It was a full twenty four hours 468 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: before her body. 469 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 17: Di found. 470 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: Anna Kittner, the teen cheerleader, dead on a carnival cruise ship. 471 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 2: The cruise ship insisting there was no alcohol serf to teens, 472 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: but in a videoed court hearing, a lawyer says they 473 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 2: were drinking. What is the truth? Don't know yet because 474 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: in the last hours a gag order has been placed. 475 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: In other words, the medical examiner can't speak. Everybody's clamped down. 476 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: Nobody can speak. 477 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: Why. 478 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: Why is that? 479 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: That's very very unusual. But we're learning a lot because 480 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: of divorce proceedings. Listen. 481 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 17: Court records from stepmom Sean tell Hudson's divorced indicate her 482 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 17: sixteen year old son and his stepbrother may be a 483 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 17: suspect in the teen's murder. The FBI has remained silent. 484 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 17: No charges have been fined. 485 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 2: I would have difficulty in them putting the sixteen year 486 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: old on the stand because I don't want anything done 487 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 2: that would incriminate the young man. So I believe what 488 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: they're saying. Shannon Butler joining US w FTV on this 489 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: case from the very beginning, joining US out of Florida. 490 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: You've got ongoing divorce custody proceedings and and those the 491 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: mom of the teen step brother files any emergency here 492 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: and saying I'm not answering any questions. Nobody's taking the 493 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: stand because it could hurt my son's right to a 494 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: fair trial, a fair trial on what obviously the Anna 495 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: Kepner murder. 496 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, that was the first we had heard about the 497 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 8: stepbrother being a suspect. We didn't get any of that 498 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 8: from investigators. But then you go into this, you know, 499 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 8: separate court case, and that's how that information was revealed, 500 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 8: and that's what kind of started everybody now asking these questions. 501 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 8: And if you, you know, listen to the family members 502 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 8: about that brother. They talk about how he was very 503 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 8: very distraught over this, how they had to he had 504 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 8: to be hospitalized, the behavior. 505 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, the teen 506 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: step brother was distraught, distraught, correct, that's what they say. Okay. 507 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: Was he distraught about Anna being dead or about him 508 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: being a suspect. 509 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 9: That's still the question. 510 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 8: The family was very very clear that he was very 511 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 8: very upset after this happened and had to be Hospitalizing. 512 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 513 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: Spencer Aaronfeld joining us. The cruise lawyer, he's handled so 514 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: many cruise ship cases, typically for the complainant, the alleged victim, 515 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: not the cruise line. 516 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: He's got to say many. 517 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: I tried to count them, couldn't count them. Spencer. We 518 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: were told that the team brother was so distraught that 519 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: he had to go in the hospital. Then he was 520 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: miraculously released from the hospital. He wasn't wearing a band aid, 521 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: he wasn't on crutches. Why was he in the hospital? 522 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: Was that a delay tactic? Then we were told he 523 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: was quote so upset he quote couldn't talk to FBI investigators. 524 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: Sounds a lot to me like invoking your right to 525 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: remain silent. 526 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 9: One hundred percent, Nancy. 527 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 6: And it also destruction of evidence because when he went 528 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 6: to the hospital, I'm sure that he changed his clothes. 529 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 9: What happened to his clothes. 530 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 6: I'm sure he was cleaned, and his fingers and what's 531 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 6: under his nails, and all sorts of things that would 532 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 6: have been invaluable evidence to the investigators and prosecutors. 533 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 9: In this case were probably lost by that. To the hospital. 534 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 9: It really interrupted the chain of custody. 535 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 15: Of a lot of evidence that would have been left 536 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 15: on him, including potentially bodily fluids and things that may 537 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 15: have been on his hands, on his clothes. 538 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: You know, Spencer Ernfield, you are my own personal chamber 539 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: of hers. I hadn't even thought of that yet. The 540 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 2: fact that he goes straight into a hospital setting and 541 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: his clothes could be god knows where, Robert Crispin, that's important. 542 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: I want to see his clothes. I want to look 543 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: for microscopic evidence. I'm wanna look for blood. I'm wanna 544 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: look for sperm, I wanna look for her blood. And yes, 545 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: I want to see his underwear for obvious reasons. It's 546 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: probably all gone, Robert. 547 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 4: It probably is Nancy. 548 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 5: Hence the long delay before the ship got back to 549 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 5: locking down the crime scene, locking down the people their clothing, 550 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 5: not letting anyone and go anywhere. Intermingle talk to people, 551 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 5: separating everybody. 552 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: It's just it's a recipe for disaster. 553 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 5: Those clothes tell investigators and prosecutors and judges and juries 554 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 5: so much information. It's insane, the information that comes out 555 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 5: of just your clothes, or what comes from underneath your fingernail, 556 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 5: or what comes from actually on your body. 557 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: Nancy, come on, how many times have. 558 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 5: You known or heard where a fingerprint is actually pulled 559 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 5: from a body somebody else's fingerprint. 560 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: Also, because of this court hearing, we hear allegations that 561 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: the teams have been drinking. Is that true? We don't 562 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: know yet. 563 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 9: Listen, we feel there. 564 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 18: Are some circumstances regarding that the sixteen year old and 565 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 18: the mother's judgment regarding that cruise that would affect you know, 566 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 18: obviously that her ability to care for the my child, 567 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 18: the nine year old. The sixteen year old was allowed 568 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 18: to drink, the teenagers were given their own room in 569 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 18: which to stay. Just a lot of circumstances that showed 570 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 18: that the mother in this case was not exercising appropriate 571 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 18: supervision over this child. 572 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: And of course the cruise ship is vehemently denying that 573 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: the teens had alcohol. Of course, the family is stunned. 574 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: They've got Anna dad stuffed under a bed. They've got 575 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: the sixteen year old reportedly a target. Listen. 576 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 4: He was a good student, played soccer. 577 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 19: He played soccer, very quiet young man. He had demons, 578 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 19: I think in his past and he was trying to 579 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 19: deal with those. 580 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 17: Barbara and Jeffrey Kepner are shocked Ganna's sixteen year old 581 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 17: stepbrother is being eyed as a suspect and their murder. 582 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 17: Describing them as two peas in a pod and very close. 583 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 17: She says the teen was distraught when he learned and 584 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 17: his body was found and couldn't speak during an initial 585 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 17: interview with FBI agents. Barbara says the teen claims he 586 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 17: can't remember what happened and was hospitalized for psychiatric observation. 587 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 17: When they arrived back in Miami. 588 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 19: He was an emotional mess. He couldn't even speak. He 589 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 19: couldn't believe what had happened. 590 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 2: That from our friends at ABC. Did you hear that 591 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: doctor Janey Lacy joining us license psychotherapist. He was an 592 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: emotional mess. He couldn't speak, he couldn't believe what happened. 593 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: He was in the room when it happened. According to 594 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: circumstantial evidence, unless we want to believe she choke, helled 595 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 2: herself and stuffed herself under the bunk tonight, no charges. 596 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? 597 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: An emotional mess, couldn't speak, couldn't believe what happened. 598 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 14: It means a couple of things, Nancy. In that interview 599 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 14: her talking about his demon. 600 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 13: So did the family know that he had some struggles 601 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 13: and they weren't adequately addressed? 602 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 10: And then the. 603 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 13: Critical question to me becomes, then where were the adults. 604 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 13: If they were, where are these demons? And if he's 605 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 13: emotionally distressed in these types of things, right, that can 606 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 13: be a shock, truly a shock, because we do have situations, Nancy, 607 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 13: where when people go into what we would call a 608 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 13: narcissistic type of rage when they get some type of 609 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 13: rejection or they're not getting the things that they want, 610 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 13: that in that moment, the heightenedness of their emotional regulation 611 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 13: goes and they can have these moments where they kind 612 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 13: of black out, so to speak, and then when they 613 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 13: come to there's a gravity of what has happened to. 614 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 14: In their behaviors in the situation. So you know, it 615 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 14: also could be the consciousness of guilt. 616 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 13: When you have the consciousness of guilt, those emotions can 617 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 13: come on, come on strong, So I would probably say 618 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 13: it's somewhere in those two realms, Nancy. 619 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: Then you have the whole other can of worms with 620 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2: the bio mom. What are we hearing from her? 621 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 4: A never want friend, they call me and get a 622 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 4: hold of me and anything. 623 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 9: When he died, I. 624 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 4: Found out through Google, Heather says. 625 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 17: On top of discovering Anna died through internet searches instead 626 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 17: of her father, captainer also told her she wasn't welcoming 627 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 17: Anna's celebration of life service. She claims Captainer threatened to 628 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 17: have her arrested were a disguise to her own daughter's 629 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 17: memorial so she could say goodbye in peace. Other is 630 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 17: not mentioned in Anna's obituary. 631 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 12: I'm going to put a wig on and wear some 632 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 12: really tall shoes because I'm four foot. 633 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: Nine, was too and inside addition, and back out to 634 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: Robert Crispin and private investigator Crispin Special Investigations. 635 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: This is his turf. 636 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: He's joining us from Port of Miami. Did you hear 637 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: that the teen. 638 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: Step brother. 639 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 2: Is too distraught to speak? First goes into a psychiatric hold, 640 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: then he comes out really quickly. Guess he wasn't that ill. 641 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: Now he's too upset to talk about what happened in 642 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: the room for he and Anna were alone, and she 643 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: ends up stuffed under a twin bed, too upset to speak. 644 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: He's too upset about quote what happened. He also told 645 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 2: someone he couldn't remember what happened. 646 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: So what is that? 647 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: A temporary blackout? 648 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 5: So that's not uncommon they don't remember things. Oh, I 649 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 5: feel so bad. I got to go to the hospital. 650 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 5: I can't I can't believe what happened. I don't remember Nancy. 651 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 5: Go back in the history of this kid. There's reports 652 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 5: out there that. 653 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 4: He's had demons. I want to know what are his demons? 654 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 5: I want to know did those demons come to light 655 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 5: in that cabin with Anna? 656 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 2: Why do I care about his feelings. I do not 657 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 2: care about his feelings. I care about her dead body, which, 658 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 2: by the way, she's being cremated, so I certainly hope 659 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 2: they got all the evidence that they needed to get 660 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 2: from her body. But that said, why do I have 661 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 2: to keep hearing about him being upset? She's dead? 662 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 4: Oh That's what I'm upset about, not about his. 663 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 5: I understand, but that's very, very important to a prosecutor 664 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 5: in law enforcement, because how many times, Nancy, have we 665 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 5: had a suspect who killed someone never went to church 666 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 5: in their life. 667 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 4: They're a suspect, we can't prove it yet, and all 668 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 4: of a sudden, now they found God. They go to 669 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 4: church every single day. That's a sign. 670 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said what you just said, because 671 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: Shannon Butler, investigative reporter WFTV, you heard what Chrispin just said. 672 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 2: The taine has not been charged. Why has a Tanane 673 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: not been charged? That said, he's not even being held 674 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: as a suspect. He is walking free. He is quote 675 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 2: under watched, underwatched by who who's watching him? 676 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 8: Well, that's the frustration from the family and frankly this 677 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 8: community along the coast there, that's the frustration, like when 678 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 8: is something going to happen, When is there going to 679 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 8: be in arrested, When are the answers going to come out? 680 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 8: So much we don't know about this case because the 681 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 8: FBI has not been transparent with their information their investigation, 682 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 8: which is not unusual for the FBI, But there's lots 683 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 8: of information that still is not out there. We can 684 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 8: only assume that they're building the case and that something 685 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 8: will happen soon, but there is no timeline for that. 686 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 8: We don't know how long we'll be sitting here waiting, 687 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 8: and this family will have to wait for some kind 688 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 8: of answer here. 689 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Anna's 690 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: murder mechanical strangulation, please call seven five four seven zero 691 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: three two thousand, repeat seven five four seven zero three 692 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 2: two thousand. It could be something that you observed. It 693 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 2: could be something your child told you that Anna said. 694 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 2: It could be something the teen boyd If you know 695 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 2: or think you know, please help with This investigation is 696 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 2: ongoing and tonight still no charges. We remember an American 697 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 2: hero Officer, Alec Sanders Alambra PD, California, just twenty eight 698 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 2: killed in the line of duty, leaving behind aggrieving fiance. 699 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 2: American Hero Officer Alec Sanders, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye.