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Speaker 1: Our first guest. This episode aired on June fourth of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. It was episode forty five and the

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Speaker 1: guest was mister Paul Broden. The episode is titled The

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Speaker 1: San Francisco Hell and I feel like this trito apropos

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Speaker 1: to the reality of the situation of houselessness, not just

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, but all across the world. And mister

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Speaker 1: Broden creates a creative insight and gives a historical background

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Speaker 1: that is lacking sometimes and understanding how deep and deeply

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Speaker 1: entrenched this crisis is. We see what the end results

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Speaker 1: of it is, but it just did miraculously start for nowhere,

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Speaker 1: and mister Broden graciously tells us how it started and

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Speaker 1: what we can do to basically try to turn this

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Speaker 1: thing around. Take a listen, Cisco Shod Clubs. It's Cisco,

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Speaker 1: you go gitube me. This is Ceo Henderson from WiDi

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Speaker 1: and House and we are here in San Francisco to

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Speaker 1: one of the earlier creators and one of the founders

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Speaker 1: who have had lived experience of being done house. He

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Speaker 1: is right now. We're in one of this very elaborate

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Speaker 1: and very creative art space which activism is married into it.

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Speaker 1: So without further ado, here we are with mister Paul Brodon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having us. Yeah, thanks for having me. Brother.

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Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit of what's your inspiration

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Speaker 1: and how did you get into twine with this kind

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Speaker 1: of work you do. Well. I was homeless, but I

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Speaker 1: was homeless in a really different way than most people

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Speaker 1: in terms of I was homeless the old school way.

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Speaker 1: My mom died and my father was an asshole and

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Speaker 1: kicked us out. So it was a realization that it's

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Speaker 1: no bullshit to say there's two Americas, Like there's the

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Speaker 1: America that you see on TV and that they try

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Speaker 1: to convince us exist and we're all created equal and

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Speaker 1: we all have an opportunity, and that's the rich guys

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Speaker 1: and well even the upper middle class guys like I was,

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Speaker 1: And then there's the reality for poor people, and they

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Speaker 1: just ain't the fucking same. And as somebody that experienced both,

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Speaker 1: up until I was fifteen, I was one of the

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Speaker 1: privileged white class, and then I became one of the

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Speaker 1: broke ass white class. I was still white class, that's

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Speaker 1: for goddamn sure, and I just got really fucking pissed off.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's because I grew up so entitled. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe that this was how we were treating motherfuckers

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Speaker 1: been pissed off ever since. And now it's been thirty

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Speaker 1: seven years and I'm still just as fucking pissed off,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still going to fight till we deal with

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Speaker 1: this shit once and for all. I have to say, young,

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Speaker 1: when you stated this, what was the shock when you

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Speaker 1: because you stayed, you lived a privileged life. What was

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Speaker 1: the shock when what shook you when you became unhoused

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Speaker 1: and out on the street. What the ships you have

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Speaker 1: that made you very aware that there was a two

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Speaker 1: different American When I started helping people do the food

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Speaker 1: stamp application forms, when I was coming up off the

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Speaker 1: high schools. I never finished this shit, and once my

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Speaker 1: mom died, I was bouncing all over the place. And

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Speaker 1: because of the elementary schools that I went to, because

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Speaker 1: of the junior high schools I went to, I was

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Speaker 1: It was also like, you look at who's running poverty

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Speaker 1: programs and homeless programs, and you look at who's sleeping there.

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Speaker 1: It's two different worlds. What I'm qualified to earn you

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Speaker 1: money by being homeless, but I'm not qualified to get

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Speaker 1: any of that money in my pocket. So I ain't

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Speaker 1: fucking homeless no more. When we first started out in

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Speaker 1: the early eighties, everybody working in homeless shit was home

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Speaker 1: with the paychecks worth ten thousand dollars a year. We

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Speaker 1: these people doing in the streets. You know, hospitality house

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Speaker 1: community members are standing there and people are like, well,

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Speaker 1: why aren't you going home? Well I don't got a

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Speaker 1: Now thirty seven years later, it's you know, fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: homeless management. That's not gonna end homelessness. Addressing racism and

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Speaker 1: classism and neoliberalism in America that will end homelessness. But

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Speaker 1: going to rehabilitate me to fit back into society like

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Speaker 1: Saint Vincent Depaus's. No, it's society that's fucking broke, not

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Speaker 1: the people. The human beings are human beings. They ain't

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Speaker 1: have massive homelessness. Eighty three, we were opening shelters across

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Speaker 1: the country and FEMA was funding our fucking homeless programs

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Speaker 1: direct connection to neoliberalism, part of the Reagan Revolution, wiping

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Speaker 1: out affordable housing funding. And now we're eight hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: opened our homeless programs, and we're wondering why the fuck.

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Speaker 1: Our coordinated intake system isn't ending the problem because your

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Speaker 1: coordinated intake system is the fucking problem. I do have

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Speaker 1: little more. Is because I've noticed like that it's been

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Speaker 1: seen to be the panacea for dealing with people that

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Speaker 1: they get jobs, if they stay off drugs, or if

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Speaker 1: they stay on their medication, that magically unhoused people are

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Speaker 1: going to be on house. Or I hear another argument

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Speaker 1: and to deal with what the abuse or the toxicity

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Speaker 1: of dealing with the systematic errors. What is your insight

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Speaker 1: on that that when you look at poverty, when you

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Speaker 1: look at our welfare system, when you look at our

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Speaker 1: United Way. Like this goes back to the sixties and

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Speaker 1: the War on Poverty, when the five oh one c

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Speaker 1: three nonprofit monsters were created in the first place, When

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Speaker 1: as soon as the government started funding homeless programs, first

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Speaker 1: it was the local and FEMA money and who gets

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Speaker 1: what do you have to do to earn it. Like

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Speaker 1: in the old days, we didn't do intakes for a

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Speaker 1: shelter bed. I don't need to know your data birth,

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Speaker 1: fucking frankly, we don't need that for a shelter bed.

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Speaker 1: But now you in San Francisco, you got to give

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Speaker 1: homeless management system. And shit and the Vulnerability Index Coordinated

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Speaker 1: intake bullshit is everywhere because the FEDS are mandating it,

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Speaker 1: the FEDS are funding it, and the FEDS are controlling

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Speaker 1: what's happening at the local level. It has an element

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Speaker 1: if they can pull your fingerprint or your personal information,

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Speaker 1: they can hunt you down if they choose to. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, think of it, thirty seven years after the

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Speaker 1: and we're still calling it camping like hell, even calling

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Speaker 1: they are. That's not a sweep, that's an addiction. That's

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Speaker 1: an attack. It's oppression, you know. And so we use

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Speaker 1: And so if something's fallen out, if there's a problem

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Speaker 1: be the problem of those who are being oppressed. And

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Speaker 1: something wrong with you, and we have to keep reinforcing that.

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Speaker 1: And what's the first question our person gets when they're

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? What's wrong with me? What's wrong

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Speaker 1: That's what's wrong with me. And if we could address that,

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Speaker 1: social justice. I have a question to you, and I

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Speaker 1: want your perspective on it. There's a lot of communication

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Speaker 1: and talk going around about tiny homes, and for me,

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Speaker 1: of course, I'm against them because what I've seen in

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Speaker 1: But we have seen by over thirty years, by now,

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Speaker 1: a fruit fruitful solution. So what's your intake on or

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Speaker 1: need that we have housing as a human right for

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Speaker 1: because there's the cause and effect. We'd eliminated eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and that led to contemporary homelessness, or to the level

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Speaker 1: would take a tiny home over a fucking shelter bed

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Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. And I think talking to most homeless people,

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Speaker 1: you give me the option tiny home or a shelter bed,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the tiny home every fucking time. But

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Speaker 1: I would have took an 'sr I did when I

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Speaker 1: was coming up, took an that sro room, and I

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Speaker 1: thought that was my tiny home. You know, it's having

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Speaker 1: your own keys in their own control, the tiny homes.

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Speaker 1: And but that's just it. Though the tiny homes aren't

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Speaker 1: They are having they have to have a curfew, they

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Speaker 1: have police, the government funded tiny homes. I'm sorry, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of Like Denver, Homeless out Loud is part of

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Speaker 1: a community called the you know that that does tiny homes,

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Speaker 1: but the people living there are managing and running that ship.

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Speaker 1: Not exactly when for the government to fund tiny homes,

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Speaker 1: fuck you. So that's the distinction. So tho are running

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Speaker 1: around halving the tiny homes, Yeah, because it's cheaper than

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Speaker 1: actually putting a Like, first of all, tiny homes ignores

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Speaker 1: families completely. And it's ironic that we we say a

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Speaker 1: family living in an sro no longer counts as being homeless.

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Speaker 1: They're they're poorly housed now according to the FEDS. Like

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of mindset. Well, if we can just

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Speaker 1: fuck kids. So so like tiny homes feeds into that,

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