WEBVTT - Club Fitting 101 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.079 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.240 you every Wednesday. This week, don't get to a topic 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.400 that we haven't really gotten to discuss. Club fitting. True 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.520 Spec it's one of the big club fitting outfits here 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.880 in the US, and we have their mobile fitting card 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.640 here and Jordan Patrick as one of the fitters. He's 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:27.720 helped me with my game and I just think so 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.640 many players could benefit from getting fit properly. I think 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.879 a lot of players are scared to get fit. They 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.000 think it's coln they think it's going to be a 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.560 waste of money. But I promise you you make some serious, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.640 serious gains by getting club fit, by understanding what club 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.600 fitting is all about. So let's get to it with 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:54.480 Jordan Patrick. My guest today is Jordan Patrick. He works 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.800 for True Spec. They do club fitting. Jordan, how many 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.960 locations do you guys have across the United States? 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.080 Currently twenty four locations and for mobile unis and. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.360 You're part of and you're part of the mobile team. 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.440 It's been really cool to have you guys here on 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:14.360 site here at the learning center at the Floridian. Clubfitting 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.440 is something that I think a lot of golfers get 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.480 scared of I think a lot of people think that 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.080 there's some sort of kind of voodoo, kind of magic 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.320 that clubfitters are trying to sell you golf equipment. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:27.640 Right. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.959 And then there's also golfers that think, listen, I'm not 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:36.480 good enough to take a club fitting. But as you 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.400 and I both know, I think every golfer, if you 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.160 can get the golf ball airborne, if you're playing golf, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.800 if you're just not a beginner who's just hitting golf 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.880 balls on a driving right, but if you're venturing out 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.360 on the golf course, club fitting is vital for you 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.080 to get done for your game. I see it at 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.480 the highest level on tour all the time, right, the 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:05.640 difference between changing a shaft, changing lofts, changing a set makeup. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.920 But for the average regular golfer that's listening, what do 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.760 you feel is the single most important thing that club 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.200 fitting can do for a player. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.680 So club fitting is not always going to be, Hey, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.359 we're going to gain as much distance as we can. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.800 Everyone wants to gain distance, but you know, just limiting 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.040 to one miss is huge. It can take your scores down. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.800 But making it just that way, they're all the same 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.720 throughout the set too, and that way you're not getting 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.840 hand me downs, but that allows you to kind of 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.720 have consistency throughout the set. Whether your tour first time 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.720 playing can all make a difference. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.839 I think a lot of golfers when they start out, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:52.079 they're getting golf equipment from parents, fathers, friends, other people, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.600 and they're getting golf clubs that they have. I mean 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.880 it's a little bit like going to a pharmacy and 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.040 saying that you've got an ill and they give you 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.160 a pill box and you don't actually know what's in it, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.040 and you're just going to take it and you're surprised 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.560 that you're not feeling any better. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.200 Definitely. Yeah, So a lot of people they'll get a 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.880 set of clubs and where they'll have a couple of 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.160 clubs that actually do the same thing. So, you know, 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.440 getting something truly fit for you is huge. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.639 When we look at So let's go through the bag. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.679 I mean, obviously, I think most people are getting club fit. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.880 I would say for drivers more so than they are 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.919 for putters, wedges or irons. Drivers seem to be, in 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.960 my experience, the thing that people are changing the most 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.160 people aren't. I don't see golfers on mask changing their 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.760 irons on a regular basis. But putters and drivers seem 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.760 to be the quick, interchangeable. They also seem to be 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.480 the thing that all the manufacturers seem to come out 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.400 with yearly on a regular basis. So every year, all 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.520 of the manufacturers that everybody uses, they're all coming out 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.640 with new drivers, they're all coming out with new equipment. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.320 So let's start with drivers and work our way down 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:12.040 to irons and then wedges and putters. From a driver standpoint, Jordan, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.720 I know it's it's it's hard to generalize, but you 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.240 do this almost you know, three hundred days a year. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.320 What do you see from a fit standpoint that would 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:28.320 be a generalization, but that somebody can that's listening can 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.840 learn with what do you see across the board that 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:37.040 players are coming in and you're changing their driver because 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:37.440 of what? 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.840 So most players think that just by going down on 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.920 the loft, they're going to hit it further. But with 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.520 that decrease in loft and most of the loft sleeves 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.080 across the manufacturers, going down in the loft, we're also 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.279 opening the face. So they just take that wrench, they 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:52.719 crank it down. They'll be like, hey, I'm gonna hit 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:53.080 it further. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.400 So if you've got a ten let's say you've got 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.560 a ten and a half degree driver. All the drivers 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.480 now are adjusted. They've all got different settings to where 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.320 you can adjust what the loft is right, So you've 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.760 got the ten to five, you're hitting that kind of 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.800 high week spinning shot, you think, or someone that's got 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.080 an eight degree driver or a nine degree driver says, hey, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.680 I've got a nine degree and they hit it further. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.720 Just turn the loft down. So how does turning the 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.560 loft down make the face go more open? 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.080 So by going down a loft, the face is open 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.320 about one to one ratio. So for every degree of 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.640 loft we take off, the face is opening for that much. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.480 So if you're a slicer of the golf ball and 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.880 you're losing distance, which I think most people that are 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.320 listening to this podcast, I think if everybody that's listening 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.280 raise their hands, the majority of people, their miss is 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.839 probably going to be some sort of miss to the right. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.160 I mean, that's the thing that I see giving golf 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.160 lessons across the board over the course of a year 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.359 with regular golfers, even even lower handicap golfers, the miss 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.200 tends to be to the right. Do you see that 0:05:58.279 --> 0:05:59.279 as well with the driver? 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.520 Yeah, more people right than like that. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:06.080 High spinny right one. So if that's your miss, you 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.920 then knock the loft down to eight degrees because you're 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.960 losing distance. So now the face is going to come 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.960 in more open, and if you're already swinging left in 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.440 the path has already opened. The faces already open the 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.360 death move. So how does the average golfer that's losing distance, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.320 that's slicing the golf ball to the right. What are 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.479 some of the fixes that you as a club fitter 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.960 can do from an equipment standpoint. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.200 So we can go to something that is definitely lighter 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.280 than what they're playing, because most average golfers they play 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.679 something that's too heavy and too stiff. So by getting 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.160 something that is going to be lighter, softer, it'll allow 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.120 them to close the face and make a more natural 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.680 move and having to work with something that's just not 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.040 for them. But now all the heads are adjustable, so 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.160 you have tons of flexibility to make them more upright, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.960 draw biased, move the center gravity back, make them hit 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.680 it higher but not actually spin it. Because that's the 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.960 highest misconception is that a lot of golfers think just 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.800 because I hit it hot, it's gonna spin. But you 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.080 can still hit it high and not have it spin 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.840 a ton and then it's not affected by the wind. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.360 Right, So give me a life hack for the fifteen 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.600 handicapper that's spinning it a lot missing it to the right, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.000 like you said, and again, I see this in golf 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.680 lessons all the time. Right across the board. I think 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:30.480 the average golfer has equipment that they fundamentally just don't 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.080 they can't use. It's a little bit. I always look 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.320 at club fitting and looking at getting a set of 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.960 golf cours or getting golf clubs. Like cars like race cars, right, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.800 Racing cars are designed a formula. When race car is 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.520 designed to be driven at the speed that maxverstaff and 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.000 drives it. If I try and do that, I don't 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.760 know how to drive, so I'm going to crash the car. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.200 Golf equipment I see is very similar. I see a 0:07:55.200 --> 0:08:00.560 lot of golfers massively influenced by television. I see them 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.560 massively influence Jordan by television and by what they hear 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.040 on TV. I see that from a distance standpoint. I 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.360 know you guys see that as well. Talk to me 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:17.360 about the misconception in how far players hit their drivers 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.000 and what I'm always saying to drivers, and I think 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.880 you'd agree with this. We need to give you usable 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.320 distance distance. It doesn't matter if you hit the golf 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.920 ball a long way and it's going offline. We need 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.560 you to So what's a life hack for the slicer? 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.720 Where do the weights need to be in the head? 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.840 All the heads now have interchangeable weight, So you're high, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.280 you're hitting it to the right, it's spinning a lot, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.760 and you're losing distance. So from a head makeup, what 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.480 can players that are listening say, Okay, what can I 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.600 do with the head of the driver if I'm slicing 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:52.960 the golf ball? Where do I put the weights? 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.199 Yep, So for that player that's going to slice it, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.680 the first setting would be to get to an upright setting. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.559 So definitely don't want to go down and loft all 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.040 those things. But since all the drivers in that middle 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.680 category of you know your core models are going to 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.520 have that adjustable weight, move that weight into the heel, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.920 let that toe close quicker for a right handed golfer, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:11.360 and then. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.520 The weight, so a heavier weight in the heel a 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.520 lighter weight out on the toe is going to help 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.080 get that club to feel like it's closing. Yes, okay, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.480 And when we're looking at weights at the back of 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:31.360 drivers on the head, that's affecting the CG of where 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.319 that is talk to us. We hear that a lot. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.760 I think a lot of people get confused and don't 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.000 want to go to club fitting because they hear terms 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.480 of things with golf clubs that they don't necessarily understand. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.640 So when we're talking about CG, that's the center of 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.600 gravity in the head of the driver, how does that 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.920 affect what the ball is doing? 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.199 So that's going to affect what the ball does because 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.200 so if we have the center gravity further back in 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:55.760 the head, it is going to be more forgiving, it's 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.760 going to launch higher. But then if you just take 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.760 that same weight and move it to the front, you 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.080 are generally going to get more balls being lower spin 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.120 for those players just with the same headset up in 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.520 the neutral setting all those things just flipping that can 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.720 change your spin by you know, anywhere from four to 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.040 six hundred RPMs and ad and forgive forgiveness. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.040 The Holy Grail and driver fitting obviously is high launch, 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.600 low spin. I mean, that's DJ. Last week we were 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.000 looking at spin numbers. He's got a new driver in 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.760 the bag this year, and where we know he plays 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.680 his best when he's long. I mean, and here's the 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.280 other thing. I don't think the average golfer listening realizes 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.640 how much loft some of the best players in the 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.319 world have in their driver. I mean, DJ is over. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.840 I think he's probably right now close to eleven degrees 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.079 of loft, which the average golfer would think that DJ 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.480 would be playing with something that's kind of around the 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.840 eight to nine range. So when you've got that driver 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.600 and you're trying to figure it out the cg of 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:00.000 where that is more forgiving to the back. So if 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.600 if it has weights where you can put a weight 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.199 at the front and a weight at the back, you're 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.760 going to want to have the weight or what we 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:10.240 would call back weight that driver. Right. And then DJ, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.400 when he plays his best, spins it kind of in 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.120 that eighteen hundred to two thousand range, right, and he's 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:22.319 launching it at ten or eleven. That is very optimal 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.559 if you have his type of speed. What we see 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.480 a lot of the average golfer do is there the 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.920 opposite with the driver, they have high launch or low 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:39.280 launch and massively high spin. So if we can reverse that. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.360 One of the easy ways what I hear you saying 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.960 is listen, get that weight more in the heel so 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.319 the toe's going to close, and then get that weight 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.240 as far back as possible. Get the heaviest weight back. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.320 Yep. Definitely at lower speeds, heaviest weight back, and don't 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.120 be afraid to use the loft because quite honestly, the 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.600 more loft we're adding, the easier it is to close 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:01.400 that face. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.800 Which is the opposite I think of what a lot 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.880 of the people listening feel like. They feel like the 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.199 way they're going to get that face closed is to 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.160 d loft the driver, and that's going to shut it down. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.680 But as soon as they de loft it at address, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.079 it's going to set up open and then it's going 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.840 to come in more that way. Talk to me Jordan 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.720 about where players are hitting it on the face with 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.040 the driver. Again, generalizations, but if you have the generalize, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.600 do you guys see more heel strikes with the average 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.920 handicapped golfer or do we see more toe strikes? 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.679 So I would say that it's definitely more heel strikes. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.120 But the one that goes I mean better for more 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.080 people to know would be that high and low is 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.439 more effective than hel in tow. So a lot of 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.520 players strike it very very low on the face, which 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.640 is going to be the spinniest driver. They all just 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.080 want to te it lower, and they figure when they 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.120 tee it lower, they're going to hit it lower, but 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.679 really they're hitting it low on the face, so it's 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.840 spinning more, and then it's going to be higher. So 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.240 t at higher, spin it and get more distance. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.960 Again, I when we're watching players and I'm watching and 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.280 giving golf lessons to the average golfer, one of the things, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.720 especially with the driver, I'm constantly telling them, T the 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.200 golf ball higher. T the golf ball higher, which is 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.400 so again, golf is counterintuitive. Everybody that I'm telling to 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.720 t the golf ball higher already has the idiot marks 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.160 on top of the golf ball. They've already got marks 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.719 on the top of their driver anyway, So the disconnect 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.800 in their brain is like no, no, no, I'm already 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.760 slicing it. I'm already hitting it high, it's already going short. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.160 I've already got a bunch of ballmarks kind of on 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.200 the top crown of my driver. Now you want me 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:49.800 to get more loft t it higher? That just doesn't 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.920 sound logical. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.320 Why does that work? So that works just because we 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.000 are spinning it less and it's going to force them 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.880 to hit up on it a little more. And a 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.600 lot of golfers they just don't. They don't want to 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.480 change their swing. They just want to change into a 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.200 new product. But hitting up on it is going to 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.400 be the easiest way for them to maximize their distance. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.480 So there comes a point of return where you can 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.160 only put so much in and get so much out. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.680 We're not just magically going to gain twenty five yards 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.880 by use swinging the same swing and getting a new head. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:22.920 I think that's another big misconception in driver fitting. Everyone 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.720 is looking for the silver bull, I mean the magic bullet, right, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.440 Everyone's looking Marina Alex who I've had on the pod. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.560 Marina plays on the LPGA Tour. Marina's you know, under 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.000 five foot five. She doesn't have a ton of speed. 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:42.320 The holy grail for her is getting more distance. But 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.160 there aren't unicorns out there. And I think a lot 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.880 of golfers think that their equipment is going to be 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.120 this unicorn to where they're going to get a new driver, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.200 they're going to hit it thirty yards further. Let's say 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:58.480 you're hitting your driver and you're spinning it at you know, 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.120 you're spinning it in kind of the mid three thousands 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:06.120 to four thousands. You're launching it low, it's curving to 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:11.080 the right, and it's carrying you know, two fifteen to 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:16.360 two twenty in the air. How by all of the 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.240 things that you've talked about, if we knock the spin off, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.880 so if the spin goes from thirty eight hundred with 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.440 a driver to thirty two hundred, what does that mean 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:27.760 in distance? 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.680 So that's gonna you might not necessarily notice it in 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.440 the air, but once it hits the ground then it's 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.080 going to start running. But adding that spin keeping it 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.720 more straight, then it's going to be more consistent on 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.360 a golf course. And that's what a lot of players 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.120 don't realize is that, hey, hitting you know eight fairways 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.840 out of twelve instead of four is huge. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.680 Yeah. And the other thing that if you look at 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.480 the best drivers of the golf ball in the world, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.440 then listen, I'm unbelievably lucky to work with two of 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.880 them in Brooks and DJ. One of the things that 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.640 they do when they're drive, when they hit the drivers, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.760 it's I always think of it like an airplane. The 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.640 airplane is taking off, it gets up to altitude, and 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.760 then it doesn't keep climbing. The average golfer has that 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.520 driver swing to where the ball is getting up in 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.920 the air and then it's continuing to rise up. That's 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.480 the other thing than when we look at trying to 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.560 change it. If we can change the land angle, the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.880 angle of descent to where the ball isn't coming down 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.760 like a like a lob wedge, to where it's getting 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.040 out and it's coming down flatter, you're going to get 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.680 more roll. That's one of the things when I watch 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.800 you do driver fittings. I always hear you say, listen, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.720 that's going to roll. That ball is now going to 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.440 roll when it hits the ground. Because so many people 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.440 with their drivers, they spin it so much and they 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.320 hit it so high, it comes down basically soft like 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.560 it would be on a really really soft green and 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.360 has no roll. And again I've heard you say we 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.600 can get you some more distance on the ground. What 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:03.240 does that mean? 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.600 So you know, flattening that descent angle out. It doesn't 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.400 matter where you play. The ball is going to carry away. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.160 It carries but allowing it to then roll out once 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.960 it's on the ground, versus spinning more to the right. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.760 So you know, lowering that CG moving it more towards 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.359 the ford, it might flatten the ball flight out a 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.760 little bit, but spin is going to be your biggest factor. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:23.840 And a lot of people just don't realize that their 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.000 height is not from them hitting it high, but they're 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.200 actually spinning it high. So then it's now we're losing 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:34.000 on both ends. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.040 For the regular average golfer, non competitive golfer in that 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:44.119 kind of ten to twenty handicap range. Give us some 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.440 numbers from a launch standpoint and from a spin standpoint 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.560 that everyone listening could say, Okay, let me see if 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.560 I can get on a launch monitor. Go get and 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.800 see what would you like to see what would be 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.159 optimal playability wise for you launch. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.399 Spin wise, So playability wise launching from you know, anywhere 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.120 from twelve to sixteen degrees is plenty high, and then 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.320 the lowest spin we can have the better. So anywhere 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.480 from twenty two hundred to twenty six hundred is very 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.240 playable for the average golfer not swinging it, you know, 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.879 much higher than one hundred miles per hour. A lot 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.760 of people just don't realize that they are being so 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.320 left out on distance, but really what they're putting in, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.520 they can't get much more out of it, so tightening 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.520 up that forgiveness, launching it high, hitting fairways is huge. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.320 We've talked about the club head. More so than the 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.320 club head, the biggest miss that I see with people 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.280 with their drivers is the shaft. They are playing shafts 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.120 that you mentioned it that are too stiff and they're 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.600 too heavy. Why is that? 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.000 You know, it's like the old one, Like everyone just 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.440 has those clubs that they've played forever, and times have changed. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:58.480 Everything's becoming so much more light and soft now versus 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.520 heavy and stiff. So as we'll play something light and 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.120 swing it faster, hit the center of the face more, 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.560 and tolerances are just becoming so high from shaft manufacturers. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.320 I'll give you. I haven't told you this story, and 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.960 I'm sure Brooks wouldn't mind me. Toning is he played 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.920 terrible on Saturday I Live and I watched him and 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.600 he was missing fairways the first four or five holes. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.600 He's missing fairways by forty yards. Hen't do that there, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.040 He can't do that there, right, So he basically just 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.679 hit three wood the rest of the round. So the 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:35.560 driver that he was using the day before cracked broke, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.840 so he put a new driver in. You're not gonna 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.639 believe this. For some reason, he had a sixty gram 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.720 shaft in his bag, and his gamer shaft is a 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.119 seventy gram shaft. He just put the other head. So 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.879 he took the head, the broken head off, put it on, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.639 and he didn't even think and he just grabbed the sixty. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.359 So halfway through the round he realizes she using a 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.320 sixty gram shaft versus a seventy gram shaft. Now, for 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.920 everybody that's listening, that's basically like choosing a car that's 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.119 got You're in a race and they tell you the 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.560 car has got three hundred horsepower, and all of a sudden, 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.400 you get in and it has two hundred. At his speed, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.639 that ten gram difference is enormous because now the driver 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:22.320 becomes much more unstable at the speed he's swinging. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.240 That for sure, at his speed, that's a huge change. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.919 I mean, we got done, and the three of us 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.800 sat there and we went I think that's a first 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.480 for us, and it's not one that you would think 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.320 because you're just not thinking right. And it's out of 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.320 all the things that driver. I mean, Ricky Elliott always 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.200 is counting how many clubs he's got in the bag 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:48.040 Brooks's caddy, and there was one time that Brooks was tested. 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.960 This is probably eight years ago. Brooks was testing a 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.680 driver and they put it on and they didn't click 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.840 it all in place, so we hit it. It kind 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.639 of moved. So now it's mandatory for Ricky before every 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.239 single all the woods, he's going to go through with 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.120 the wrench, and Brooks makes him do it. He says, hey, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.439