1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week, don't get to a topic 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't really gotten to discuss. Club fitting. True 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Spec it's one of the big club fitting outfits here 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: in the US, and we have their mobile fitting card 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: here and Jordan Patrick as one of the fitters. He's 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: helped me with my game and I just think so 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: many players could benefit from getting fit properly. I think 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: a lot of players are scared to get fit. They 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: think it's coln they think it's going to be a 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: waste of money. But I promise you you make some serious, 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: serious gains by getting club fit, by understanding what club 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: fitting is all about. So let's get to it with 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Patrick. My guest today is Jordan Patrick. He works 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: for True Spec. They do club fitting. Jordan, how many 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: locations do you guys have across the United States? 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Currently twenty four locations and for mobile unis and. 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: You're part of and you're part of the mobile team. 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: It's been really cool to have you guys here on 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: site here at the learning center at the Floridian. Clubfitting 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: is something that I think a lot of golfers get 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: scared of I think a lot of people think that 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: there's some sort of kind of voodoo, kind of magic 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: that clubfitters are trying to sell you golf equipment. 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: Right. 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: And then there's also golfers that think, listen, I'm not 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: good enough to take a club fitting. But as you 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: and I both know, I think every golfer, if you 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: can get the golf ball airborne, if you're playing golf, 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: if you're just not a beginner who's just hitting golf 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: balls on a driving right, but if you're venturing out 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: on the golf course, club fitting is vital for you 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: to get done for your game. I see it at 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: the highest level on tour all the time, right, the 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: difference between changing a shaft, changing lofts, changing a set makeup. 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: But for the average regular golfer that's listening, what do 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: you feel is the single most important thing that club 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: fitting can do for a player. 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: So club fitting is not always going to be, Hey, 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: we're going to gain as much distance as we can. 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: Everyone wants to gain distance, but you know, just limiting 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: to one miss is huge. It can take your scores down. 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: But making it just that way, they're all the same 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: throughout the set too, and that way you're not getting 45 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: hand me downs, but that allows you to kind of 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: have consistency throughout the set. Whether your tour first time 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: playing can all make a difference. 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: I think a lot of golfers when they start out, 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: they're getting golf equipment from parents, fathers, friends, other people, 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: and they're getting golf clubs that they have. I mean 51 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: it's a little bit like going to a pharmacy and 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: saying that you've got an ill and they give you 53 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: a pill box and you don't actually know what's in it, 54 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: and you're just going to take it and you're surprised 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: that you're not feeling any better. 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, So a lot of people they'll get a 57 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: set of clubs and where they'll have a couple of 58 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: clubs that actually do the same thing. So, you know, 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: getting something truly fit for you is huge. 60 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: When we look at So let's go through the bag. 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I think most people are getting club fit. 62 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: I would say for drivers more so than they are 63 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: for putters, wedges or irons. Drivers seem to be, in 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: my experience, the thing that people are changing the most 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: people aren't. I don't see golfers on mask changing their 66 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: irons on a regular basis. But putters and drivers seem 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: to be the quick, interchangeable. They also seem to be 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: the thing that all the manufacturers seem to come out 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: with yearly on a regular basis. So every year, all 70 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: of the manufacturers that everybody uses, they're all coming out 71 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: with new drivers, they're all coming out with new equipment. 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: So let's start with drivers and work our way down 73 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: to irons and then wedges and putters. From a driver standpoint, Jordan, 74 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: I know it's it's it's hard to generalize, but you 75 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: do this almost you know, three hundred days a year. 76 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: What do you see from a fit standpoint that would 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: be a generalization, but that somebody can that's listening can 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: learn with what do you see across the board that 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: players are coming in and you're changing their driver because 80 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: of what? 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: So most players think that just by going down on 82 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: the loft, they're going to hit it further. But with 83 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: that decrease in loft and most of the loft sleeves 84 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: across the manufacturers, going down in the loft, we're also 85 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: opening the face. So they just take that wrench, they 86 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: crank it down. They'll be like, hey, I'm gonna hit 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: it further. 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: So if you've got a ten let's say you've got 89 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: a ten and a half degree driver. All the drivers 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: now are adjusted. They've all got different settings to where 91 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: you can adjust what the loft is right, So you've 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: got the ten to five, you're hitting that kind of 93 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: high week spinning shot, you think, or someone that's got 94 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: an eight degree driver or a nine degree driver says, hey, 95 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: I've got a nine degree and they hit it further. 96 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: Just turn the loft down. So how does turning the 97 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: loft down make the face go more open? 98 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: So by going down a loft, the face is open 99 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: about one to one ratio. So for every degree of 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: loft we take off, the face is opening for that much. 101 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: So if you're a slicer of the golf ball and 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: you're losing distance, which I think most people that are 103 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, I think if everybody that's listening 104 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: raise their hands, the majority of people, their miss is 105 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: probably going to be some sort of miss to the right. 106 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that I see giving golf 107 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: lessons across the board over the course of a year 108 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: with regular golfers, even even lower handicap golfers, the miss 109 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: tends to be to the right. Do you see that 110 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: as well with the driver? 111 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, more people right than like that. 112 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: High spinny right one. So if that's your miss, you 113 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: then knock the loft down to eight degrees because you're 114 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: losing distance. So now the face is going to come 115 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: in more open, and if you're already swinging left in 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: the path has already opened. The faces already open the 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: death move. So how does the average golfer that's losing distance, 118 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: that's slicing the golf ball to the right. What are 119 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: some of the fixes that you as a club fitter 120 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: can do from an equipment standpoint. 121 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: So we can go to something that is definitely lighter 122 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: than what they're playing, because most average golfers they play 123 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 2: something that's too heavy and too stiff. So by getting 124 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: something that is going to be lighter, softer, it'll allow 125 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: them to close the face and make a more natural 126 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: move and having to work with something that's just not 127 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: for them. But now all the heads are adjustable, so 128 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: you have tons of flexibility to make them more upright, 129 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: draw biased, move the center gravity back, make them hit 130 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: it higher but not actually spin it. Because that's the 131 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: highest misconception is that a lot of golfers think just 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: because I hit it hot, it's gonna spin. But you 133 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: can still hit it high and not have it spin 134 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: a ton and then it's not affected by the wind. 135 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: Right, So give me a life hack for the fifteen 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: handicapper that's spinning it a lot missing it to the right, 137 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: like you said, and again, I see this in golf 138 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: lessons all the time. Right across the board. I think 139 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: the average golfer has equipment that they fundamentally just don't 140 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: they can't use. It's a little bit. I always look 141 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: at club fitting and looking at getting a set of 142 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: golf cours or getting golf clubs. Like cars like race cars, right, 143 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: Racing cars are designed a formula. When race car is 144 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: designed to be driven at the speed that maxverstaff and 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: drives it. If I try and do that, I don't 146 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: know how to drive, so I'm going to crash the car. 147 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: Golf equipment I see is very similar. I see a 148 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: lot of golfers massively influenced by television. I see them 149 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: massively influence Jordan by television and by what they hear 150 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: on TV. I see that from a distance standpoint. I 151 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: know you guys see that as well. Talk to me 152 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: about the misconception in how far players hit their drivers 153 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: and what I'm always saying to drivers, and I think 154 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: you'd agree with this. We need to give you usable 155 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: distance distance. It doesn't matter if you hit the golf 156 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: ball a long way and it's going offline. We need 157 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: you to So what's a life hack for the slicer? 158 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: Where do the weights need to be in the head? 159 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: All the heads now have interchangeable weight, So you're high, 160 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: you're hitting it to the right, it's spinning a lot, 161 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: and you're losing distance. So from a head makeup, what 162 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: can players that are listening say, Okay, what can I 163 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: do with the head of the driver if I'm slicing 164 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: the golf ball? Where do I put the weights? 165 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: Yep, So for that player that's going to slice it, 166 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: the first setting would be to get to an upright setting. 167 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: So definitely don't want to go down and loft all 168 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: those things. But since all the drivers in that middle 169 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: category of you know your core models are going to 170 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: have that adjustable weight, move that weight into the heel, 171 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: let that toe close quicker for a right handed golfer, 172 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: and then. 173 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: The weight, so a heavier weight in the heel a 174 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: lighter weight out on the toe is going to help 175 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: get that club to feel like it's closing. Yes, okay, 176 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: And when we're looking at weights at the back of 177 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: drivers on the head, that's affecting the CG of where 178 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: that is talk to us. We hear that a lot. 179 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people get confused and don't 180 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: want to go to club fitting because they hear terms 181 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: of things with golf clubs that they don't necessarily understand. 182 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: So when we're talking about CG, that's the center of 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: gravity in the head of the driver, how does that 184 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: affect what the ball is doing? 185 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: So that's going to affect what the ball does because 186 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: so if we have the center gravity further back in 187 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: the head, it is going to be more forgiving, it's 188 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: going to launch higher. But then if you just take 189 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: that same weight and move it to the front, you 190 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: are generally going to get more balls being lower spin 191 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: for those players just with the same headset up in 192 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: the neutral setting all those things just flipping that can 193 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: change your spin by you know, anywhere from four to 194 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: six hundred RPMs and ad and forgive forgiveness. 195 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: The Holy Grail and driver fitting obviously is high launch, 196 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: low spin. I mean, that's DJ. Last week we were 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: looking at spin numbers. He's got a new driver in 198 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: the bag this year, and where we know he plays 199 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: his best when he's long. I mean, and here's the 200 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: other thing. I don't think the average golfer listening realizes 201 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: how much loft some of the best players in the 202 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: world have in their driver. I mean, DJ is over. 203 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: I think he's probably right now close to eleven degrees 204 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: of loft, which the average golfer would think that DJ 205 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: would be playing with something that's kind of around the 206 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: eight to nine range. So when you've got that driver 207 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure it out the cg of 208 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: where that is more forgiving to the back. So if 209 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: if it has weights where you can put a weight 210 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: at the front and a weight at the back, you're 211 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: going to want to have the weight or what we 212 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: would call back weight that driver. Right. And then DJ, 213 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: when he plays his best, spins it kind of in 214 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: that eighteen hundred to two thousand range, right, and he's 215 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: launching it at ten or eleven. That is very optimal 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: if you have his type of speed. What we see 217 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the average golfer do is there the 218 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: opposite with the driver, they have high launch or low 219 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: launch and massively high spin. So if we can reverse that. 220 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: One of the easy ways what I hear you saying 221 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: is listen, get that weight more in the heel so 222 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: the toe's going to close, and then get that weight 223 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: as far back as possible. Get the heaviest weight back. 224 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: Yep. Definitely at lower speeds, heaviest weight back, and don't 225 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: be afraid to use the loft because quite honestly, the 226 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: more loft we're adding, the easier it is to close 227 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: that face. 228 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Which is the opposite I think of what a lot 229 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: of the people listening feel like. They feel like the 230 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: way they're going to get that face closed is to 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: d loft the driver, and that's going to shut it down. 232 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: But as soon as they de loft it at address, 233 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: it's going to set up open and then it's going 234 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: to come in more that way. Talk to me Jordan 235 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: about where players are hitting it on the face with 236 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: the driver. Again, generalizations, but if you have the generalize, 237 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: do you guys see more heel strikes with the average 238 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: handicapped golfer or do we see more toe strikes? 239 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: So I would say that it's definitely more heel strikes. 240 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: But the one that goes I mean better for more 241 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: people to know would be that high and low is 242 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: more effective than hel in tow. So a lot of 243 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: players strike it very very low on the face, which 244 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: is going to be the spinniest driver. They all just 245 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: want to te it lower, and they figure when they 246 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: tee it lower, they're going to hit it lower, but 247 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: really they're hitting it low on the face, so it's 248 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: spinning more, and then it's going to be higher. So 249 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: t at higher, spin it and get more distance. 250 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: Again, I when we're watching players and I'm watching and 251 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: giving golf lessons to the average golfer, one of the things, 252 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: especially with the driver, I'm constantly telling them, T the 253 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: golf ball higher. T the golf ball higher, which is 254 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: so again, golf is counterintuitive. Everybody that I'm telling to 255 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: t the golf ball higher already has the idiot marks 256 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: on top of the golf ball. They've already got marks 257 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: on the top of their driver anyway, So the disconnect 258 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: in their brain is like no, no, no, I'm already 259 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: slicing it. I'm already hitting it high, it's already going short. 260 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: I've already got a bunch of ballmarks kind of on 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: the top crown of my driver. Now you want me 262 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: to get more loft t it higher? That just doesn't 263 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: sound logical. 264 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: Why does that work? So that works just because we 265 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: are spinning it less and it's going to force them 266 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: to hit up on it a little more. And a 267 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: lot of golfers they just don't. They don't want to 268 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: change their swing. They just want to change into a 269 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: new product. But hitting up on it is going to 270 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: be the easiest way for them to maximize their distance. 271 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: So there comes a point of return where you can 272 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: only put so much in and get so much out. 273 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: We're not just magically going to gain twenty five yards 274 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: by use swinging the same swing and getting a new head. 275 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: I think that's another big misconception in driver fitting. Everyone 276 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: is looking for the silver bull, I mean the magic bullet, right, 277 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: Everyone's looking Marina Alex who I've had on the pod. 278 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: Marina plays on the LPGA Tour. Marina's you know, under 279 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: five foot five. She doesn't have a ton of speed. 280 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: The holy grail for her is getting more distance. But 281 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: there aren't unicorns out there. And I think a lot 282 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: of golfers think that their equipment is going to be 283 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: this unicorn to where they're going to get a new driver, 284 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: they're going to hit it thirty yards further. Let's say 285 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: you're hitting your driver and you're spinning it at you know, 286 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: you're spinning it in kind of the mid three thousands 287 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: to four thousands. You're launching it low, it's curving to 288 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: the right, and it's carrying you know, two fifteen to 289 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: two twenty in the air. How by all of the 290 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: things that you've talked about, if we knock the spin off, 291 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: so if the spin goes from thirty eight hundred with 292 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: a driver to thirty two hundred, what does that mean 293 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: in distance? 294 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: So that's gonna you might not necessarily notice it in 295 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: the air, but once it hits the ground then it's 296 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: going to start running. But adding that spin keeping it 297 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: more straight, then it's going to be more consistent on 298 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: a golf course. And that's what a lot of players 299 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: don't realize is that, hey, hitting you know eight fairways 300 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: out of twelve instead of four is huge. 301 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing that if you look at 302 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: the best drivers of the golf ball in the world, 303 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: then listen, I'm unbelievably lucky to work with two of 304 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: them in Brooks and DJ. One of the things that 305 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: they do when they're drive, when they hit the drivers, 306 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: it's I always think of it like an airplane. The 307 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: airplane is taking off, it gets up to altitude, and 308 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: then it doesn't keep climbing. The average golfer has that 309 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: driver swing to where the ball is getting up in 310 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: the air and then it's continuing to rise up. That's 311 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: the other thing than when we look at trying to 312 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: change it. If we can change the land angle, the 313 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: angle of descent to where the ball isn't coming down 314 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: like a like a lob wedge, to where it's getting 315 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: out and it's coming down flatter, you're going to get 316 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: more roll. That's one of the things when I watch 317 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: you do driver fittings. I always hear you say, listen, 318 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: that's going to roll. That ball is now going to 319 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: roll when it hits the ground. Because so many people 320 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: with their drivers, they spin it so much and they 321 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: hit it so high, it comes down basically soft like 322 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: it would be on a really really soft green and 323 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: has no roll. And again I've heard you say we 324 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: can get you some more distance on the ground. What 325 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: does that mean? 326 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: So you know, flattening that descent angle out. It doesn't 327 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 2: matter where you play. The ball is going to carry away. 328 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: It carries but allowing it to then roll out once 329 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: it's on the ground, versus spinning more to the right. 330 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: So you know, lowering that CG moving it more towards 331 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: the ford, it might flatten the ball flight out a 332 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: little bit, but spin is going to be your biggest factor. 333 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: And a lot of people just don't realize that their 334 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: height is not from them hitting it high, but they're 335 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: actually spinning it high. So then it's now we're losing 336 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: on both ends. 337 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: For the regular average golfer, non competitive golfer in that 338 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: kind of ten to twenty handicap range. Give us some 339 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: numbers from a launch standpoint and from a spin standpoint 340 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: that everyone listening could say, Okay, let me see if 341 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: I can get on a launch monitor. Go get and 342 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: see what would you like to see what would be 343 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: optimal playability wise for you launch. 344 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: Spin wise, So playability wise launching from you know, anywhere 345 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: from twelve to sixteen degrees is plenty high, and then 346 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: the lowest spin we can have the better. So anywhere 347 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: from twenty two hundred to twenty six hundred is very 348 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: playable for the average golfer not swinging it, you know, 349 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: much higher than one hundred miles per hour. A lot 350 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: of people just don't realize that they are being so 351 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: left out on distance, but really what they're putting in, 352 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: they can't get much more out of it, so tightening 353 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: up that forgiveness, launching it high, hitting fairways is huge. 354 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: We've talked about the club head. More so than the 355 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: club head, the biggest miss that I see with people 356 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: with their drivers is the shaft. They are playing shafts 357 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: that you mentioned it that are too stiff and they're 358 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: too heavy. Why is that? 359 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's like the old one, Like everyone just 360 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: has those clubs that they've played forever, and times have changed. 361 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: Everything's becoming so much more light and soft now versus 362 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: heavy and stiff. So as we'll play something light and 363 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: swing it faster, hit the center of the face more, 364 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: and tolerances are just becoming so high from shaft manufacturers. 365 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: I'll give you. I haven't told you this story, and 366 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure Brooks wouldn't mind me. Toning is he played 367 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: terrible on Saturday I Live and I watched him and 368 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: he was missing fairways the first four or five holes. 369 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: He's missing fairways by forty yards. Hen't do that there, 370 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: He can't do that there, right, So he basically just 371 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: hit three wood the rest of the round. So the 372 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: driver that he was using the day before cracked broke, 373 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: so he put a new driver in. You're not gonna 374 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: believe this. For some reason, he had a sixty gram 375 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: shaft in his bag, and his gamer shaft is a 376 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: seventy gram shaft. He just put the other head. So 377 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: he took the head, the broken head off, put it on, 378 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: and he didn't even think and he just grabbed the sixty. 379 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: So halfway through the round he realizes she using a 380 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: sixty gram shaft versus a seventy gram shaft. Now, for 381 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: everybody that's listening, that's basically like choosing a car that's 382 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: got You're in a race and they tell you the 383 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: car has got three hundred horsepower, and all of a sudden, 384 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: you get in and it has two hundred. At his speed, 385 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: that ten gram difference is enormous because now the driver 386 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: becomes much more unstable at the speed he's swinging. 387 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: That for sure, at his speed, that's a huge change. 388 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: I mean, we got done, and the three of us 389 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: sat there and we went I think that's a first 390 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: for us, and it's not one that you would think 391 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: because you're just not thinking right. And it's out of 392 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: all the things that driver. I mean, Ricky Elliott always 393 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: is counting how many clubs he's got in the bag 394 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Brooks's caddy, and there was one time that Brooks was tested. 395 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: This is probably eight years ago. Brooks was testing a 396 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: driver and they put it on and they didn't click 397 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: it all in place, so we hit it. It kind 398 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: of moved. So now it's mandatory for Ricky before every 399 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: single all the woods, he's going to go through with 400 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: the wrench, and Brooks makes him do it. He says, hey, 401 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: check all the woods. So checking the shaft is just 402 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: not something you're not going to think that you're going 403 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: to have a different shaft in, but it had such 404 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: a major effect on it. So my point behind that 405 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: is if if ten grams of weight affects the best 406 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: player in the world, if you're playing with something that's 407 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: got that's too stiff and too heavy, again, if you're 408 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: a slicer of the golf ball, the golf club, the 409 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: club head has no chance to catch up and close 410 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: itself without you having to do something with your hands 411 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: for sure. 412 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: I mean not enough people ever think about like letting 413 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: the club close. 414 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: So but technology, now, the shaft technology in the last 415 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: I think in the last five years, the way that 416 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: you know, the auto flex shaft some of these really 417 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: really ultra light shaft that have some kick at the bottom. 418 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: When we talk about flex points and kick points, we're 419 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: always hearing that there are shafts that are kind of 420 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: low spin shafts, and then there are shafts that are 421 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: going to have a little bit more high spin. What 422 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: does that mean in Layman's term for the average golf 423 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: if somebody says, hey, that's a low spinning shaft, or 424 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: that's a high spinning shaft, what does that mean? 425 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: So basically what that means is a shaft is broken 426 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: down into three categories, so like the tip, the middle, 427 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: and then the butt. So where that is flexing for 428 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: that particular shaft is going to determine more or less 429 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: on paper what that's going to be higher, launch, loading, spin, 430 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: all those things. So generally a stiffer tip is going 431 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: to be lower spinning than something with a softer tip. 432 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: But the biggest thing that plays into that too is 433 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: for the where you need the flex is going to 434 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: be how hard you load the golf club. So somebody 435 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: that loads it super hard is not generally going to 436 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: have super success with a off their mudded shaft. They're 437 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 2: going to lose awareness of where that club head is. 438 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: The other thing that I don't think people listening with 439 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: shaft technology realize some of the best long drivers in 440 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: the world are not using stiff shafts. I mean, I 441 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: mean Kyle Berkshire's shaft isn't what you would think it 442 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: would be. Bryson has talked a lot about that. Bryson 443 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: has said, listen, you know when I was doing long drive, 444 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: I was trying to get as whippy shafts as I 445 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: could get. You wouldn't think that that would be the 446 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: case because you would think, at the speed he's trying 447 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: to hit the golf ball, he's going to need as 448 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: much stability at the bottom. But the long drive guys, 449 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to get as much load and they put 450 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of force on the handle, so they need 451 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: the golf club to be a little bit more flexible 452 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: and have that kick at the bottom. 453 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: Definitely, they're looking for that rubber band effect at the bottom, 454 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: which is what just letting that club head passed the 455 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: hands at impact, and if the tip is too stiff, 456 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: that thing is never going to pass. 457 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: When we hear another term that I hear a lot 458 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: of people that is out there is are we going 459 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: to tip the tour? They're always talking about if if 460 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: a player on tour is going to get a driver 461 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: shaft made, the builder is the first thing he's going 462 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: to say, are we are we? Are we tipping this 463 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: or are we not? What does tipping the shaft mean 464 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: from a driver standpoint? And what is it? What effect 465 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: does it have? 466 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: So tipping the driver's shaft is just basically going to 467 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: be when they install it, they're going to cut extra 468 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: off the tip. So basically, when a manufacturer sells us 469 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: a shaft, they say, hey, you want to cut half 470 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: an inch off the tip, and then from there it's 471 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: we're adding stiffness to that tip section and then the 472 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: rest is cut from the butt. 473 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: So the more you cut off the tip at the bottom, 474 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: the stiffer. 475 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: The stiffer it's going to get, okay, and then we 476 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: can cut off the butt just for the length, but 477 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: it's not really changing the profile of the shaft. 478 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: Where's a grip is if we take any length. So 479 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: let's say someone's got a forty five degree driver and 480 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: they want to get a little bit more control, role 481 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: go to forty three. You could cut off the top 482 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: and it's not really going to change the shaft profile 483 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: at the bottom or in the middle on how it. 484 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: Works, correct, It's just going to change that length. But 485 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: tipping it will change how that shaft affects. 486 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: So obviously all of the bombers, guys like Gary Woodland, 487 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: all the guys with big speed they need they want 488 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: to tip. 489 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: They want to tip it. 490 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: So if they need it stiff at the bottom. 491 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: Yep, so they'll tip anywhere from an inch to two 492 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: inches on most of those guys drivers. 493 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 494 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: But a lot of the amateurs are like, hey, you 495 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: know so and so's tipping it. Well, really, you're swinging 496 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: fifteen miles per hour slower than he is. You don't 497 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: need that shaft to be any stiffer than it is. 498 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: So you helped me get a new driver and we 499 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: worked on the shaft and one of the shafts you 500 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: put me in that new Vanquish. 501 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: From miss Specie. 502 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that type of shaft. I think everybody's building something 503 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: like that in that range. Now, that type of shaft 504 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: is doing what. 505 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: So it's allowing the tip section to be softer than 506 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: the rest of the shaft, allow players that do early 507 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: extend all of those things get the clubhead to come 508 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: through the impact zone. 509 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: Because that was something that in talking to Dave Phillips, 510 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: who've had on the podcast before from the titleist performance, 511 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: that they were looking at, you know, when that new 512 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: Vanquish came out, they were you know, Jimmy Walker was 513 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: crushing that thing. 514 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: He was playing the auto flex. 515 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was playing the auto flex and he was 516 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: crushing that. He's got a lot of early extension. But 517 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: the way that club loads and the way it comes 518 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: into the ball, Dave was saying, it was almost like 519 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: it was an anti thrust fixer. You could still thrust, 520 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: but if you've got a shaft at the bottom thrust, 521 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: meaning when we when we when we're setting up to 522 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: the golf ball, if you think about where your lower 523 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: body is on the downswing, if the pelvis is moving 524 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: closer to the ball you're extending, then the upper body 525 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: has to go back. So there are guys that do 526 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: that Jimmy Walker is one of them. So a little 527 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: bit more kick at the bottom again helps square the 528 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: club face up at the bottom without you feeling it's 529 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: the player like you have to do it so much 530 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: with your hands. 531 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't necessarily feel soft in any means, 532 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: but allowing that to close is huge for a lot 533 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: a lot of golfers to gain distance and ball speed 534 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, spin it lass. 535 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: And I think since the auto flex came out, you 536 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: know auto Flex, Korean right technology, you know pink shaft, 537 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: you know twelve and what's it like? You got to 538 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: you gotta get a new mortgage for your house to 539 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: get one of these shafts, right, But what I think 540 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: the market and all the manufacturers have gone, okay, let's 541 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: take that and let's put a version of that in 542 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: our lineup. So I think all the shaft manufacturers are 543 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: making something that's going to have a little bit more 544 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: kick at the bottom, so that if you are someone 545 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: that needs distance, or you are someone that needs that 546 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: face to close, that would be what if you're that player? Right, 547 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: what model of shafts should be players be looking at 548 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: if they want, if they if they're slicing it if 549 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: they want a little bit of distance and they want 550 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: that bottom part of the shaft at the bottom to 551 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: square up. Give me some names that that shafts that 552 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: people could look at. 553 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's definitely definitely different for any kind of speed. 554 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: But in that average golfer range, you can go auto 555 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: flex Missubgie Vanquish, like a C six red from Missubichi Chemical. 556 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: There's a lot of good options. I mean, each line 557 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 2: has a good option. And generally, when you look at 558 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: a shaft wall, the ones that are colored in red 559 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: are generally going to mean that throughout the whole shaft 560 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: manufacturing thing. So anything that's red is generally gonna be 561 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: a little softer. That tip's gonna close all those things. 562 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: Obviously, all the tour players, Brooks plays the Black Blacks 563 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: seventy X, I mean, that's as stiff as I mean, yeah, 564 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: and it's funny Brooks has got a really stiff driver. 565 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean, DJ's use that forever, right, I Mean, that's 566 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: just there are players that play with the same shaft 567 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: all the time, and then there are players that kind 568 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: of move around. I think in DJ's case, it's just 569 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a comfort thing more than anything else. 570 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: Right. 571 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: I think it's he's Brooks is the same, right. I 572 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: mean you could try and get him out of the 573 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: driver shaft that he was working with, right. Brooks will 574 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: mess around with lofts and heads and stuff like that, 575 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: but the one thing that he will not budge on 576 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: is the shaft. And anytime any of the manufacturers that 577 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: he'd been with have talked to him about, hey, you know, 578 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: maybe we try a little bit different shaft and stuff, 579 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: and he always says the same thing. The shaft in 580 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: my driver has won me five majors. I'm not changing it, okay, 581 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: But for the average golfers it's almost the opposite. Don't 582 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: be afraid to go try. So what questions from a 583 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: driver fitting? For everyone listening if they are going to 584 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: get fit, what question should they be asking you guys 585 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: as the fitters. So I think that's something that's massively important. 586 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: I've said that before. I gave a pod I think 587 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: last year on how to take a golf lesson as 588 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: the player what you should be asking and looking for 589 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: from the instructor. So for everyone listening, if they are 590 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: going to get club fit, what are the questions they 591 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: need to be asking the club fitter. 592 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: So one big question is, hey, what is actually achievable 593 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: for what I'm putting in is a lot of people 594 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: want to get that super extra distance, but really that 595 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: speed that they're at, they're maxing it out. So at 596 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: that point we need to get forgiveness and be realistic that, hey, 597 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: I might not gain all the yards, but hitting something 598 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: more in the middle consistently across at the course of 599 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: the round is huge. Another one is, hey, what is 600 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: a good spin rate for my speed range? And then 601 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: a good Another thing that a lot of people don't 602 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: think about is set makeups the board is like, just 603 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: because hey, go into a three wood, Hey we're going 604 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: to hit it further, we might not just because the 605 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: five wood launching higher, spinning higher. 606 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the next part of this. So and 607 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: I think the most forgotten part of club fitting are 608 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: from where the irons end and the driver begins. So 609 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: whatever your last iron in your bag is and then 610 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: where you are in your driver, what is in between there? 611 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: I think for everyone listening that is looking to improve 612 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: their scores, hybrids, five woods, three woods, to me, that's 613 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: a lot of low hanging fruit because I see a 614 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of players that their putters are good, the wedges, 615 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: the irons, the driver, but what they've kind of got 616 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: in between is just garbage and it's not not helping them. 617 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: So again average goal for loft wise, and the modern 618 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: three woods, you know this, the longer the hitter, the 619 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: harder it is to find a three wood, because the 620 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: three woods today go way too far, which you would 621 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: think would be great. But like DJ says, they give 622 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: him sometimes three woods and he's like, that goes as 623 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: far as my driver. I have no possible way to 624 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: use that because if I do try and hit it 625 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: into a par five, I can't hold the green. So 626 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: from a three wood standpoint, and again DJ's got a 627 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: shit ton of loft on his three wood, but I 628 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: see fifteen twenty handicappers have thirteen degrees three woods, and 629 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, what what are you going to do with this? 630 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: You're certainly not going to get in the air. So 631 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: from a three wood standpoint, where do you think that 632 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: you think most people have two They don't. 633 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: Have enough loft in the three where they don't have 634 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: enough loft, and a lot of people turn those three 635 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: woods down too opening the face. I mean, you got 636 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: to be able to launch it. So I mean a 637 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: lot of the manufacturers this year did make three hls, 638 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: which is gonna be like a sixteen sixteen and a 639 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: half degree three wood versus a fifteen. But definitely a 640 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: lot of amateur golfers come in with something that's twelve 641 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: thirteen degrees and I'm like, that's really your driver. 642 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: So with the three wood with the ball now being 643 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: on the ground, not on the tee, so obviously, I 644 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: think what everybody needs to realize is there are two 645 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: swings in golf. Right there is the driver swing and 646 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: there is the iron swing. The iron swing the ball 647 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: is on the ground, you need to have an angle 648 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: of attack to where the angle of attack is down. 649 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: You're hitting down on the golf ball. Hitting down on 650 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: it is going to get it up. When we hit 651 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: a driver, we put it on a tee. If we 652 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: hit down on that. 653 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: It's still gonna go up. 654 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: It's still gonna go up, but it's going to spin 655 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot. So with the driver, you're trying to hit 656 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: up on it. And unfortunately, and I know you see this, 657 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: I think I see over a year, I see more 658 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: golfers have a driver swing with their irons. They don't 659 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: take dibbots. They don't get the golf ball in the air, 660 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: and then they have an iron swing with their drivers 661 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: where they're skying it. They're hitting it off the top 662 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: of the driver. With the driver, you're trying to swing up. 663 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: With the iron, you're trying to swing down. But three 664 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: woods Jordan are so hard for the average golfer to 665 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: hit because I think they don't realize the golf balls 666 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: on the ground if you try and swing up on it, 667 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: it's not on a tee like the driver. Most people 668 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: would be surprised that some of the best players in 669 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: the world, and you know this, with the three wood, 670 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: they take a little bit of a divot because they 671 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: are hitting down on it. So if you don't have 672 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: enough loft on your three wood and then you're trying 673 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: to hit up on it and it's not on a tee, 674 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: that is a recipe for top spin. Four hands basically 675 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: barely get over the neck, so higher loft in the 676 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: three wood. 677 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: Don't be afraid to play a seven either. I mean, 678 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: if you're going to go up in your three, then 679 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: having a three, five and seven there can be some 680 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: overlap there. 681 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: So this. 682 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: Don't be afraid to skip one. 683 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson currently has a seven wood and a nine 684 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: wood in his back. Why because the irons that are 685 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: replacing that he hits them so flat that he can't 686 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: hold the green. So the nine wood in the seven 687 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: wood allows him to come into greens softer and not 688 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: have just low kind of head height bullets iron replacements 689 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: handicap ranges to get. I mean, I don't have. The 690 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: longest iron I have in my bag is a six iron, right, 691 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: Because I've tested you and I have gone through this, 692 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: You're like, dude, you hit this hybrid way more consistent 693 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: than you hit the five hybrid way more consistent than 694 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: you hit the iron. And you've told me, with the 695 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: limited amount you have to practice and as little as 696 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: you play, you need as much help as possible. So 697 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: I have a five iron hybrid, I have a four iron. 698 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: Talk to me about hybrids. What handicap range would you 699 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: say for a player? Hey, bro, you need you need 700 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: to take the ego out of this equation and we 701 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: need to start to put more head covers in the 702 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: bag for. 703 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 2: You for sure. So that's that's a fine line for 704 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: that breaking point of a lot of players, is hey, 705 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: is it a five iron? Is it a six iron, 706 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: where our descent angle starts to become below forty degrees, 707 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: And that's the biggest deciding factor is once that gets flat, 708 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: you're not gonna hold it on a green, so you 709 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: might as well just take some loft. Get a hybrid. 710 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 2: Center gravity is lower, it's going to be better out 711 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 2: of the rough, more forgiving hit it higher, land it softer. 712 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: Shaft wise, when we start going into hybrids, what do 713 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: players need to be looking at with regards to what 714 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: they're playing Obviously and their driver, their three, the other 715 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: there are other woods, and then what they're playing in 716 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: their irons. 717 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: So I would say driver and fairwoods are going to 718 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: be pretty consistent between those two. General we're going to 719 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: go up and weight in our fairway woods, and then 720 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: we're also going to go up and wait in our hybrids. 721 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 2: But our hybrids are going to be more similar to 722 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: our iron shafts throughout the bag, just because that is 723 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 2: playing like a three or a four iron for most players. 724 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: And again everyone that listens if you are hitting a hybrid, 725 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: take a divot. It's basically, if you've got a hybrid 726 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: in your bag, you need to play it like it's 727 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: an iron. The same type philosophy. You don't need that. 728 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 1: If you've got a hybrid in your in your bag, 729 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: you do not need that golf bowl way up in 730 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: your stance like you would with your three wood or 731 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: your driver. It needs to be very similar to where 732 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: it would be for an iron so that you can 733 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: hit down on it. Iron technology, game improvement irons. It's 734 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: so funny. There was I can't remember the fitter's name, 735 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: but he was a longtime fitter out at a TPI 736 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: and they had the Chinese national team in right, that 737 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: the entire and the best kid on the Chinese national team. 738 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,959 Speaker 1: So they're fitting him for irons, and they're going through 739 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: an interpreter, right, because the kid doesn't speak English, if 740 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: you heard this story. So they're going through an interpreter. 741 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: And this kid wants he wants a title. He wants 742 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: the Adam Scott titleist blades, right, he wants I mean, 743 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: he wants something that looks like it's from nineteen seventy one, right, 744 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: because he's the best player, right, And they're trying to 745 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: fit him into something that's got a little bit more 746 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: of kind of like a cavity back thing like that, 747 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: and he's going back and forth, and they're like, this 748 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: is the one, and that's through the interpreter back to 749 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: him and the kids getting more and more. So finally 750 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: the fitter says to the interpreter, He's going to hit 751 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,479 Speaker 1: the golf ball. Bet what is the problem? And the kid, 752 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: in perfect English says too much offset and the top 753 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: line is too long, And the Fitter's like, now you 754 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 1: speak English, because I'm trying to get you into something 755 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: that's going to be a little bit more forgiving. So 756 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: my point around that story is, I think everybody wants 757 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: to play a blade. They want something that does and 758 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: have a lot of offset, that doesn't look clunky and big. 759 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: What are the advantages versus a forged blade type, you know, 760 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: the type of iron that Rory uses, the type of 761 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: iron that Scottie Scheffler DJ, I mean Brooks has gone 762 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: to that Srixon cavity. But what is the advantage for 763 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: everyone listening in game improvement irons? What does offset do? 764 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 2: So offset is going to allow the player to close 765 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 2: the club face quicker. So now that irons have gotten 766 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: so so strong and loft compared to the stuff that 767 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 2: those guys are playing. 768 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that everybody lists the best 769 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: players in the world want the golf clubs to go 770 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: the shortest. They don't need the distance. They're not looking 771 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: for rockets. I mean, I've said to Ben Showman at Cobra. 772 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: I've had them look at players and I say, hey, 773 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: what if we get this iron in his head and 774 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: he's like, he'd hit that too far, have no ability 775 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: to control the distance. And I'm thinking nobody thinks that 776 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: that would be what a problem would be. So, but 777 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: the average goal for needs that they need the forgiveness. 778 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 1: Offset means what closure? Right, So the player is looking 779 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: down at an iron, if the iron is offset, what 780 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: are they going to see. 781 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: They're going to see where the leading edge meets the hozzle. 782 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 2: There's going to be a little bit of an angle there, right. 783 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: So it's ball designed through impact again, same thing we're 784 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: talking about with the weights in the driver to get 785 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: that toe of the driver to close at the moment 786 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: of contacte gapping in irons. What should people be looking 787 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: at from their nine iron to their five iron in 788 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: an ideal world? What would we like. 789 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 2: To see In an ideal world, We're going to see 790 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: anywhere from twelve to fifteen yards differencing gap between each iron. 791 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 2: So they're I mean, if we're getting to where you're 792 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 2: hitting your seven iron and your nine iron only ten 793 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 2: yards apart, we either got a loft problem or we 794 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 2: just need to change. 795 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: It shaft wise for irons. Again, what are we looking 796 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: at for the regular golfer? What are some of the 797 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: things that they want to stay away from from an 798 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: iron fit shaft wise? 799 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: So a big thing now, like we said that with 800 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: all the clubs getting so so strong, you still have 801 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 2: to be able to launch it and spin it. So 802 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 2: a lot of players are now able to play a 803 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: lighter shaft. It's higher launching, higher spinning just because those 804 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: heads are so strong, But you still have to be 805 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: able to hit it high. So just because they're you know, 806 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 2: you're playing a stiff driver shaft, doesn't mean you have 807 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 2: to play a stiff iron shaft. Just the technology in 808 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: that graph height, we can make it so light but 809 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 2: so so stable you might as well take the clubhead 810 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: speed when you can get it. 811 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's so when players are looking at the 812 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: difference between steal and graphite in their irons, what are 813 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: the advantages and what are the gains and the wins 814 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: that going to graphite could do for a player. 815 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: So by going to graphit, we're able to move where 816 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 2: that shaft is kicking a lot easier. But I think you're. 817 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: Talking about with the driver at the bottom with the 818 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: tipping conversation, right. 819 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: So by moving that weight, the flexibility to move that 820 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 2: weight with graphite, we can really, you know, fine tune 821 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 2: where it's distributed and where it's going to kick. 822 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: Cavity back irons versus more blade irons. Is there a 823 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: cutoff for you on handicap range or is it player dependent? 824 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 2: I would say it's definitely player dependent. But we are 825 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 2: seeing more and more players get away from those traditional blades. 826 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 2: With all the new models that we have, they are 827 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 2: beginning to look better in that player's cavity players distance. 828 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: I do think that all the manufacturers, you know, I've 829 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: been with Kroba for a long time now, I love 830 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: their quit I've said to the guy, the game improvement 831 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: stuff is starting to look more and more like the 832 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: player's irons, and that's I think that's huge, right, Yeah, 833 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: Because as golfers, again we're massively influenced by television. We 834 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 1: want to be using the stuff that our heroes are using. 835 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,439 Speaker 1: But you've just got to be careful in going down 836 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: that rabbit hole of having an iron in your bag. 837 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: That again, I always say that in golf lessons, we're 838 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: trying to improve the miss. You guys in the club 839 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: fitting world are trying to do the exact same thing. 840 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: You're fitting for the miss, not the good shot. And 841 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: that is a big thing that I think is important 842 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: for everyone. Everyone thinks they're going to go into a 843 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: club fitting and go, Okay, my good shots are going 844 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: to get better. You guys are coming to it from 845 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: the angle the same angle that I'm coming to it 846 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: from a golf lesson. No, no, we're going to try 847 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: and make your bad shots better. We're not gonna try 848 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: and make your good shots better. 849 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 2: I would say that's the biggest thing that we see 850 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 2: as a player will be in front of us and 851 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 2: they won't accept their true miss, and you and I 852 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 2: both look at it and we say, hey, you're going 853 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 2: to hit it this way every time, but they're like, no, 854 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: I really actually miss it to the left. But you 855 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 2: know they're across it with a wide open face and 856 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 2: it's slicing. So it's really just accepting what you do 857 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 2: and making the most of it. 858 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 1: Parents that are listening for kids, golf equipment is expensive 859 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: that and I'm sure you get a lot of these 860 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: those those juniors that are in the they were playing 861 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: golf clubs that were too long and too heavy. They 862 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: got into kind of that US kids range of golf clubs. 863 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: But now they're looking to get out of that. I 864 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: see so many young juniors playing with golf clubs that 865 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: are just so damn long for them, Jordan, and because 866 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: they're so damn long, they're too stiff, and then we 867 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: start to see their bodies break down because of the 868 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: golf clubs. When we're looking at players, parents especially, how 869 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: do we future proof the fit So your son is 870 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: trying to get out of kids clubs and get into 871 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: more real, regular golf equipment. But they're going to be 872 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: growing there. If they're going to keep going, they're probably 873 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: going to need another set of golf clubs in the 874 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,760 Speaker 1: next two to maybe three years. How do we future 875 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: proof golf clubs for juniors so that they can give 876 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: the parents a little leeway financially, so that they don't 877 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: have to go spend money for a new set of 878 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: irons this year and then go, Okay, my son grew, 879 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: I gotta go spend another boatload of money on another 880 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: set irons. 881 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 2: So one way would be just when they're moving that 882 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 2: jump from the kids clubs up to the new ones, 883 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 2: make sure you get into a good head because we 884 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 2: can't take that good head and then shift it. Yeah, 885 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 2: so then you're not out you know, the full set 886 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 2: every time. And chefts, I mean you're only gonna need 887 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 2: six or eight of them, so moving across that. But 888 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 2: once we're into a good head, chaft weight is huge 889 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 2: for those kids, Like, don't put them in something too stiff, 890 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 2: don't cut Dad's clubs down because that's just changing the 891 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 2: whole flex point of that shaft and they're gonna have 892 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: to alter their swing at the end of the day 893 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 2: to fix that. 894 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's something that I've seen more 895 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: junior golfers get injured and be on not playing because 896 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: they're playing with golf equipment. At one they asked for 897 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: for Christmas because Tiger Rory, DJ John Ram they use that. 898 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: They don't make a lot of the stuff that the 899 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: players on tour using junior sets like that, they don't 900 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: make them, so then it's hard to get John Rahm's 901 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: driver when you're five to one and you weigh one 902 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: hundred and something pounds. Yeah, and you're I mean, I 903 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 1: can't tell you over the course of the year how 904 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: many junior golfers I see using forty five inch drivers. 905 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 2: And at the same point, they don't have enough speed 906 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 2: to play most of those products because they're not creating 907 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 2: the angles to make it spin and launch high enough. 908 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 2: So by going to that, it's yeah, you're just setting 909 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 2: yourself back more trying to play the products that they play. 910 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: Lastly, wedge fitting to me, that is again low hanging fruit. 911 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: There are a lot of players using wedges where the 912 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: bounce configuration. Bob vok At titleist was the first one 913 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: to kind of come up with the term of digger 914 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: versus slider, but digger being more back in your stance, 915 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: hitting more down on it like a bump and roll slider. 916 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: Where the tour players are playing closely Moan Augusta type 917 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: runoffs into the grain, they're playing the ball more neutral, 918 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: so they're sliding the club more on it. Bounce configuration. 919 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: If you are going to be someone that's going to 920 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: be more of a bump and run back in your stance, 921 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: you need more bounce or less. 922 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 2: Bounce, so more bounce there. So what bounce is going 923 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 2: to do is bounce is going to help you exit 924 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 2: the term. So for that player that is very steep, 925 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 2: we need to get out of the turf. 926 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: So that twelve to fourteen range. And then if you 927 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: are someone that's a little bit more of a competitive player, 928 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: you're gonna want give me a wedge that is from 929 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: a bounce standpoint, that is that can do both. That 930 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: would be a good kind of starting point for a 931 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: player that's not going to be a ton of bounce, 932 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: but it's not going to be little What range is 933 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:31,399 Speaker 1: that for you? 934 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 2: So that one would be anywhere from an eight to 935 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 2: a ten bounce And obviously each manufacturer has a different 936 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 2: soul for that is, so you can kind of have 937 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 2: a little bit of bounce. A good example would be 938 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 2: a vokey like eight M. It's going to have that 939 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 2: little bit of crescent soul where it's going to have bounce, 940 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 2: but give you that versatility to open it up with 941 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 2: the trailing edge relief and really make the most best 942 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 2: of both worlds there. 943 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and then gapping with wedges, I mean again, 944 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: I come in sometimes and I look, I'm like, yeah, 945 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean, who fits you for this setup when we're 946 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: looking at so give me a range for the So, 947 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: if you've got a lobwedge in your bag, lob wedges 948 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: are going to be anywhere between. 949 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 2: Fifty eight fifty eight to sixty two sixty two. 950 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: Does anybody that is a regular high handicapped golfer need 951 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: to be above sixty degrees in the loft? 952 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 2: No, because that's going to only create a bigger gap 953 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,919 Speaker 2: between our pitching wedge in there. Right. 954 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: So then so if you're sixty, what are we looking at, 955 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: are you, guys? Because the four kind of degree increments. 956 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: So if you're sixty, the sand wedge should be fifty six. 957 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: Then the gap wedge should. 958 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 2: Be generally fifty two or fifty right, depending on where 959 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 2: your pitching wedge's at. But a lot of these newer 960 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 2: iron sets, you have to be careful because our pitching 961 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 2: wedges are getting so strong they're going to pack two 962 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 2: more wedges in before you get to the gap wedge. 963 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: So, like most of the new stuff in game improvement, 964 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 1: pitching wedges degree wise are at what. 965 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 2: Now forty three forty four, So from there to get 966 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 2: to sixty, we have to do it within a reasonable 967 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 2: amount of wedges without having you have too many that 968 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 2: you're like, hey, which one do I hit for this? 969 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: And then you have to start saying, okay, well, then 970 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: I need to look at taking other clubs out of 971 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: my back for the for the regular average goal, for 972 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: how many wedges do you think would be beneficial for 973 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: them to have in their back. So starting at the 974 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: pitching wedge and going from there. 975 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 2: So generally I would go pitching wedge and then keep 976 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,360 Speaker 2: a gap wedge with your iron set that's going to 977 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 2: be anywhere from forty eight to fifty two, and then 978 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 2: follow up with maybe a fifty four to fifty eight. 979 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 2: So really four wedges across the board is going to 980 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 2: be suffice for most If you. 981 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: Go fifty, you're keeping within that four degree range. 982 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,880 Speaker 2: Yep, fourty five degrees is great. 983 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 1: Turf interaction with wedges. I think that's one of the 984 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: main areas that I see that the average golfer just 985 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: struggles so much with is the way the wedge is 986 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: interacting with the ground. They're already steep on it, they're 987 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,959 Speaker 1: already hitting down on it. Talk to me about how 988 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,720 Speaker 1: the sole configuration, because every manufacturer now across the board 989 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 1: is going to have a different not only different bounces, 990 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: but different soul configurations. 991 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so grind options are going to give the different 992 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 2: players versatility to really match that to their angles that 993 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 2: they're creating through the turf. So whether you need trailing 994 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 2: edge relief, heel and tow relief, or center gravity that's 995 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 2: higher or lower. And they do make game improvement wedges 996 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 2: too that a lot of people shy away from. They're like, oh, 997 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 2: I'm not going to get as much spin, but going 998 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 2: to that product, it really fits how you deliver the 999 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 2: golf club is going to make around the green so 1000 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:46,800 Speaker 2: much easier. 1001 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: So if you could change you only had what So 1002 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: if a player came to you, and obviously this would 1003 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: never happen, but if a player came to you and 1004 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: you watch them hit golf balls and you said, okay, okay, 1005 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: watching them do everything that they're doing in their golf swing, 1006 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: I can change the irons, I can change the driver, 1007 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,360 Speaker 1: I can change the fairway, would make up change the 1008 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: wedges if they said okay, you'd only change one. What 1009 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: would be your choice to say, hey, you want to 1010 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 1: knock some shots off your game, let's change this. 1011 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 2: I would say the irons are probably going to have 1012 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 2: the biggest effect there because most people are playing steel 1013 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 2: shafts all those things. So really naturally thought you were 1014 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:34,959 Speaker 2: going to say driver. 1015 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: I really thought you were going to. 1016 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 2: Say no, you'd be surprised, like and I am. 1017 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: Surprised by that because Mike, now that now that I think, 1018 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 1: and here's the other thing, you're going to hit a 1019 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: hell of a lot more iron shots than you aren't 1020 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: going to. 1021 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 2: Hit one hundred percent. I mean you figure almost every 1022 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 2: hole you're hitting at least one. And then Part three 1023 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 2: is even just to launch it high and spin it 1024 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 2: enough to you know, have it land and not hit 1025 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 2: on the front and roll off the back. That's the 1026 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 2: most deceiving part. And how far your distances actually are 1027 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 2: for the players. A lot of players will say, hey, 1028 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 2: you know, I hit it one hundred and seventy yards 1029 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 2: and then we get up onto a part three and 1030 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 2: it's one seventy one to carry the water. That ball's 1031 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 2: not getting over the water. So really realizing Carrie versus 1032 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 2: total is huge for a lot of players. 1033 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I think that's that's really really great stuff. 1034 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,600 Speaker 1: If people wanted to come check out truspect, where do 1035 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 1: they go? 1036 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 2: So I would go to our website. We are across 1037 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 2: the US. There's five locations here in Florida. So if 1038 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 2: you ever find yourself here here dot com, respect dot com. 1039 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: Anybody wants to come get club fitted at the at 1040 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: my place here at the Floridian. Jordan is here. Jordan, 1041 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: thanks for talking to us. And uh listen, man, you've 1042 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: you've helped me a lot for as little as I 1043 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,320 Speaker 1: play golf. One of the things that you did we tested, 1044 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: going back to the reason why I use one lengths, 1045 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: the Cobra one lengths. I mean, we've gone through this, 1046 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: We've tested everything that all the new stuff from Cobra, 1047 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: the one lengths for me, they work for me. They're 1048 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,760 Speaker 1: based off of what my body does, what my body. Listen. 1049 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 1: I'd love to use the irons Ricky Fowler uses. I'd 1050 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: love the black I mean those ones that he came 1051 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: out with a coup. I mean, I love I get 1052 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: all the cool stuff, right, I get it all and 1053 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,280 Speaker 1: it looks cool and I want to use it so bad. 1054 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: But I've got the new Cobra one length dark speeds 1055 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 1: a lot of offset and it helps me hit the golf. 1056 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:25,240 Speaker 1: Ball more solid, and listen, my ego is very very small, 1057 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,840 Speaker 1: you know that. What I just want to hit it 1058 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: straighter and I just want to hit it further. So 1059 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,399 Speaker 1: everyone listening, don't be afraid to get club fit. 1060 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 2: Thanks Jordan, Thank you so much. 1061 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,359 Speaker 1: So some really good stuff there from Jordan Patrick from 1062 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 1: TRUSPEC and I think we got into a lot of 1063 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: good talks about a lot of different subjects there. But 1064 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: get club fit. I mean, if you're using golf clubs 1065 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,399 Speaker 1: that you've just bought, that you were given, someone gave 1066 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: you as a gift, they're not helping you. I mean 1067 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: you have to get I mean, it's like winning the 1068 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: lot of If someone buys you a set of golf 1069 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: clubs and just gives them to you, that they're going 1070 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: to work for you. If you are serious about improving 1071 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: your game, if you were serious about getting better, if 1072 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,239 Speaker 1: you're serious about lowering your handicap, one of the easiest 1073 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: ways to do that is to get equipment that is 1074 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: fitted for you and your game by someone like Jordan 1075 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,400 Speaker 1: that has the experience and the knowledge and that can 1076 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 1: help you get the right equipment. It really really does 1077 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: make a massive, massive difference. I want to thank everyone 1078 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,280 Speaker 1: for listening some of it. Butch comes to you every Wednesday. 1079 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 1: We will see you next week.