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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode three. This is awesome. It's about famous failures,

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Speaker 1: you know. So we've had a lot of major artists,

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Speaker 1: a lot of massive songwriters come in and talk about Man,

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Speaker 1: this is a time where some failure happened and they

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Speaker 1: thought it sucked for their career, but actually it helped

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Speaker 1: them in the long run, you know, from getting dropp

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Speaker 1: from record labels and publishing deals to people that just

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Speaker 1: told them, hey, as an artist, we don't think you

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Speaker 1: have what it takes. Obviously, people are all massively successful now,

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Speaker 1: so it's a reminder that you can win by losing,

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Speaker 1: That's right. So boom Mike, what's your biggest musical failure?

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Speaker 1: Your punk? Your punk band? Probably my punk band, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean we moved to Austin, Texas to try to

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Speaker 1: make it. We tour Texas and bunch but never quite

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Speaker 1: got there. And how did that make you better? Uh?

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Speaker 1: It taught me that even though you suck, if you

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Speaker 1: find fun in it, it's still worth it. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I talk, you know, to get a punk

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Speaker 1: band anymore. There's no money in punk rock. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that was tough on Yeah, not no nothing. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we made maybe more than like two bucks the

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Speaker 1: entire time as a band. Oh, that's pretty good if

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Speaker 1: you don't really have if you can make twohundred bucks

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Speaker 1: a night, and it's not good, but I'm saying that's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. If you can make a little money being

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Speaker 1: a punk band. Back, that's that's just nobody's gonna pay

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Speaker 1: for that, huh. And it's a tough little niche. Even

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Speaker 1: if you are pretty big as a punk band, you're

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Speaker 1: still Yeah, even the biggest punk bands don't make as

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Speaker 1: much as you would think. Um. Once, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a musical failure. Once, I was doing a show in

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Speaker 1: been contacted by a family said hey, mom, she know

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Speaker 1: she staged four cancer, but she wants to come to

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Speaker 1: the show and she'd love to meet you. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, well, hey, I can't believe she want to

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Speaker 1: that happen. Such caam and I called her up on stage,

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Speaker 1: and so I was like, hey, why don't you in

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Speaker 1: the crowds? Yeah, turn for and I thought, well, let's

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Speaker 1: just play a song up here and I'll do a

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Speaker 1: little dance with her. And I said, hey, just play

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Speaker 1: this song that's on that's next step, the next love

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Speaker 1: song on the list, and it was ain't No Sunshine

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Speaker 1: when She's Gone. Oh yeah, it was tough. We started.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it goes. I think Eddie or Brandon

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Speaker 1: She's with like, oh god, this does not feel good

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Speaker 1: I reached out after I was like, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: They're like, no, it was awesome, and I guess they

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Speaker 1: pretty that's a pretty bad one. Then all right, here

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Speaker 1: we go, it's Bobby Cast with famous failures. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: kick it off with Shane Mooney from Dan and Shay

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Speaker 1: on how getting out of his first deal led him

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Speaker 1: to me Dan informing Dan and Shape, here you go,

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Speaker 1: you go to college for a year, right, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then you go, I'm gonna go I need to go

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Speaker 1: to do music. Yea. What was the point in going

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Speaker 1: It was actually a ministry school. So I went there.

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Speaker 1: It was like a nine month program and I had

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Speaker 1: Which is an interesting thing too, because when you can

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Speaker 1: Even I give Garth as an example, he was singing

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Speaker 1: of finding his place early. Um. So, how do you

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Speaker 1: get discovered by because what was it called? What was

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Speaker 1: go there? Because did you move to Atlanta for a while?

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Speaker 1: I did move to Atlanta, So I was so I

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget this, and I like he was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: And I was just like I was in this movie

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Speaker 1: Arkansas heard of this movie. It's called hot Rod. It

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like singing, and just he was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to I wanna sign you, you know. And

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they ended up, you know, because I was

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Speaker 1: and I started writing all kinds of stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know what I was doing either. I

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Speaker 1: know songs that I was writing that wasn't necessarily I mean,

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Speaker 1: they were like fine, but it just it had my

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. There was not really The contract

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Speaker 1: I signed was a three sixty and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: I think it was all good intentions on all parties,

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Speaker 1: having so much fun and it was just like, man,

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00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,199
Speaker 1: this this stuff is really cool. So we started to

431
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,840
Speaker 1: play all the all the music out like rounds and stuff,

432
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,560
Speaker 1: and then Dan and I we had eventually like there

433
00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 1: was actually an opportunity that we had to go down

434
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,359
Speaker 1: Um and I had booked a show. It was just

435
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 1: like Shale Mooney and we were opening up. We did

436
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,160
Speaker 1: two shows together without actually being like a band at all.

437
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,680
Speaker 1: It was just like he was there with me and

438
00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,920
Speaker 1: we were playing all the songs we had written and

439
00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,040
Speaker 1: one was at Georgia's opening for Chris Allen and I

440
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 1: thought that we I thought I made it. Then I

441
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,119
Speaker 1: was like this is you know, things are really starting

442
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,960
Speaker 1: to take off. And then another one we played was

443
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,360
Speaker 1: that in Conway um at at u c A. There

444
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 1: was this kid who booked me and I thought it

445
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,399
Speaker 1: was gonna be like the biggest show ever. And I

446
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,400
Speaker 1: think this. It was in there like little performing arts

447
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,760
Speaker 1: theater which probably holds like, I don't know, maybe people,

448
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,760
Speaker 1: and there was probably fifteen people in there. And uh,

449
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,160
Speaker 1: right after that, we went down to Austin, Texas because

450
00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 1: my lawyer had set up this like showcase basically for us,

451
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 1: and we went down. We put together a band, the

452
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,880
Speaker 1: whole deal. Then I drive down on my truck and

453
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 1: we ended up playing the show and it was I'm

454
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,960
Speaker 1: not kidding, there was There was honestly probably like four

455
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 1: people in the room, and one was my lawyer, one

456
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: was like a bartender girl in the back, and then

457
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 1: our friend Paul di Giovanni, which ended up writing how

458
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 1: Not To for us used to be in the band

459
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 1: Boys Like Girls. He was there, and then Dan's lawyer

460
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 1: and there was like no other people there. We rehearsed

461
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 1: for like four days, and we were we thought it

462
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 1: was gonna be like our big break, and uh yeah,

463
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't our big break, but at that time it was.

464
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,919
Speaker 1: I think on the way back from that trip, we

465
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 1: kind of made the decision of, like we've been doing

466
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 1: these shows together, like we should, we should kind of

467
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 1: we should do a duo. And I think it's hard

468
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: to kind of put all this in my mind to

469
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 1: like line it up, but kind of when we were

470
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: writing all these songs, um, there was a guy who

471
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 1: had who knew he worked for Scooter Brun at the time.

472
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 1: His name was Nano and he knew Scooter and he

473
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 1: had kind of been talking to to Scooter, I guess

474
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: about us, and uh yeah, during that time, Scooter ends

475
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 1: up we're at a writing session and uh we had

476
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: kind of decided like, all right, we're gonna do this

477
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 1: this duo thing, and uh, once we kind of decided

478
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: that was when Scooter had heard about us, and we

479
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 1: were in a writing session at a guy named Danny

480
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 1: Orton's house and there was he faced times us and

481
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 1: basically says like I wanna work with you, and uh

482
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: Ed Sharon was was there, which is really funny because

483
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: he was like, will you guys play that song that

484
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 1: I like? It was a song called stop Dropping Roll

485
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 1: that was actually on our first record. We had like

486
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: just written it and he was like, play that song.

487
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: So we we played it and at the end he

488
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: was like, my friend wants to hear the song because

489
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: he really loves it because we had sent him maybe

490
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: like a demo or something, and Ed Sharon like pops

491
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, guys, how are you. This is

492
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: like the worst Edhering impression. Hey guys, how are you?

493
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: And he yeah, we like saying stop Dropping Roll acoustic

494
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: like overface time to him, and that was kind of

495
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: the start of it. Okay, so here we go. Here's

496
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: Luke Combs on the guy who told him he'd never

497
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: be an artist at he performed for this guy. And

498
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: pretty cool story because obviously Luccomb's biggest thing cuting music

499
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: right now. The tweet you posted where you said, I

500
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: think the topic was tell me something about yourself that

501
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: no one'll believe. And the gest of it was that

502
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: you came to town and you had some songs and

503
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 1: people were like, hey, they weren't good, and your old

504
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: thing was don't let anyone let you stop chasing your dreams. Yeah,

505
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: those meetings where you were rejected, are they vivid to you?

506
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: The early meetings definitely. Um. The one in the meeting

507
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: in particular was with somebody. It was, you know, they

508
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: have like the artist like writer reps at like b

509
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: M I. So I had a friend that had a

510
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: rep there, and I went in and I was like

511
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: very excited because I had just moved to Nashville at

512
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: this time and I didn't know anybody, you know, I

513
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: knew a couple of writing buddies and was going out

514
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 1: and playing a few writers rounds and writing songs every day,

515
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: and because by that time, I was living off of

516
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: those songs that I had put out the previous year.

517
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: And I went in and it was kind of like

518
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: this this person was like, we'll play me three songs.

519
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh cool, Like this person is

520
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: gonna be like I'm gonna play these three songs and

521
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: like they're gonna walk me into the best publishing thing

522
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: and they're gonna like this guy is great, Like how

523
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: could you not love this guy? Give him a publishing deal?

524
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: So I played Hurricane when It Rains in one number away,

525
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: which were my first three number ones, and they were like, Okay,

526
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You gotta get better a songwright, and

527
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: you gotta write better songs and you're never gonna be

528
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: an artist. So that's it. And I was like, and

529
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't like mad, do you know who said it? Yeah,

530
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say I would

531
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: never ask you to say it, but I'm just asking

532
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: if you know who's that? Oh? I know? Yeah? Have

533
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: you seen them since? Yeah? I've ran into them awkwardly

534
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: at actually the b of my awards. Do you think

535
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: they remember telling you that? Or do you don't get

536
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: someone that was coming through anyto this time? I don't

537
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: think so at all, which is fine, you know I have.

538
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: I have nothing against that person, you know what, because

539
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: I get it. Man. I mean it's it's like, if

540
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: you look at it, would I would. I would equate

541
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 1: it to at that level, you know, because you're not

542
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: even screened at all. At that level, like any Tom

543
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: Dick or Harry can walk in off the street pretty

544
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: much to be a my and get one of those meetings.

545
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine the pressure of like, Okay, well,

546
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: I've got six kids, that moved to town yesterday that

547
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: want to come in and they all think they're awesome,

548
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: and I've got to be able to figure out which

549
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: ones I think are good enough to go on to

550
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: the next thing. And so I wasn't mad about it

551
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: at all. I'm actually very thankful for that meeting because

552
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: I did go out and feel like I wrote some

553
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: of the best songs that I had ever written, because

554
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I gotta I gotta write more

555
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: and do better, Like I'm not even close to as

556
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: good as I need to be. And so I just

557
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: kept my head down and I went and wrote a

558
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: ton of songs, and and then there is kind of

559
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: the rest is just kind of fell into place. I mean,

560
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: I know that's, you know, summarizing a big chain of events,

561
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: but that's kind of how it felt like. At a

562
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: few minutes left her, I wanted to run a couple

563
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: of other things about you that I heard. First of all,

564
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: a lot of folks come in, myself included that worked

565
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: retail because we kind of had to. You gotta pay

566
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: the bills somehow as you're chasing your creative endeavor. And

567
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: I worked at hobby lobby. Mike, who was in Michael

568
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: Hobby from Thousand Horses worked at the Buckle. You worked

569
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: at isod. How did that go? I was not a

570
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: great fit at iod Um, but I had you know,

571
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: I had as much fun with it as you could

572
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: possibly have folding people's golf sweaters, you know. Um. It

573
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: was in an outlet mall, like one of those like

574
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Tanger outlets or whatever they call it. They had one

575
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: in Blowing Rock, which is right down the road from Boone.

576
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: So it was I mean, it was pretty pretty miserable.

577
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: And how long did you do that? I probably worked

578
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: there for I mean close to a year probably, I

579
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: would think. And whenever you are walking past a table

580
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 1: of shirts that are messy, does it bother you? And

581
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: will you refold a shirt? No chance? No, no chance.

582
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what I do. I do fold

583
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: a mean shirt, you know, when I'm when I'm doing

584
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: the laundry at home, which I'm sure people are supposed

585
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: to do do laundry. My fiance does handle the brunt

586
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: of the laundry, um, but I do. I do chip

587
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: in quite a bit and you know, help fold stuff.

588
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not I'm not afraid to do laundry.

589
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't mind it at all, but

590
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: or I if I wasn't in a committed relationship, I

591
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: would throw it. Yeah, but I do separate it now

592
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: just because that's what. But now it's like her stuff's

593
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: in there, which is the thing? Like mine are just old,

594
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: like gross t shirts and jeans really, so I'm not

595
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: too worried about them like shrinking or like. But now

596
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: there's this whole like don't wash this thing with that thing,

597
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: and don't dry this thing, but it's gotta be tumble dried,

598
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: but don't put it in with this thing that has

599
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: to be high heat. And then some stuff is like

600
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: cold water. And so it's I mean, it gets pretty

601
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: matthey to me, you know. And I don't left school

602
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: because he didn't even take laundry. That was like year three,

603
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: and that was year three and I skipped laundry class,

604
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: that's for sure. The bank bag, I'm curious about the

605
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: used to save money in. So you went and bought

606
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: one of those bank bags. It zips like it with

607
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: the lock on it. Yeah, so what was that about?

608
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: And and where was this money coming from? You were

609
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: sticking in the bag, So I had I had started

610
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: playing shows. And when Cappy moved to town after he

611
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: started managing me, he had never managed anybody before. Um,

612
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of blew through his life savings

613
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: like trying to build my career and and so he

614
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: made a promise to me. He was like, hey, man,

615
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take a commission until you're actually making

616
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: enough money too, like live off of And so at

617
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: the time, you know, the gigs were I mean, they

618
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: could have been tud fifty dollars a night, they could

619
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: have been a thousand dollars a night, and those were

620
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars was really good, you know. And so

621
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: we would go and do those gigs and excuse me,

622
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: I would take you know, t shirt money, whatever was

623
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: left over. And and Cappy was great because he would

624
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: always go settle the show. You know, he would run

625
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: me through the statement every night and day. Here's what

626
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: we got, and here's what we did, and here's the

627
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: tickets and this, and and there were always we were

628
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: and we were selling out everything, you know at that time,

629
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: which is great on those club gigs because usually they

630
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: they'll they'll kick you back a pretty like sweet bonus

631
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: and it's always cash. And so That's where the money

632
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: was coming from, was that these sellout bonuses on these

633
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: club shows, and so I would I was like, I

634
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: remember getting to thinking I had like five or six

635
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in my apartment, you know, and I was like, man, like,

636
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: somebody just walk in here and like at this if

637
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: they wanted to. So I had like a Folger's can,

638
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: and instead of putting just the money in there, I

639
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: put it in the bank bag and then rolled the

640
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: bank back up and put it in there. It's a

641
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: back like behind my microwave on my counter. My microwave

642
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: kind of sat like in a corner, so it was

643
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: kind of there was that space behind it, yeah, because

644
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: it was diagonal. Yeah, And so that's what that's what

645
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: that's where the money was coming from. And that's what

646
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: I did with it at that time. All Right, here's

647
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: one with Jason al Dean and we was talking to

648
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: Jason about this and this is him now because he

649
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: didn't feel like this back in the day, but this

650
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: is him now being glad his first record deal did

651
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: not work out. You know. I mentioned all the number

652
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: ones and all the success and awards, but I think

653
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: and if someone just was introduced to you, you are

654
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Jason al Dean, the country superstar. But you know, I

655
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: talk a lot and have written an entire book on

656
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: failure and how important it is to learn, Like if

657
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: you look at your professional career and you look back

658
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: at a failure that actually made you a better entertainer,

659
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: a better performer, I any of that, Like what was

660
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that thing that didn't work out? Or you're like, man,

661
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad they didn't work out because I

662
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: learned from it. Um. I would say when when I

663
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: got dropped from Capitol Records early on, I got signed

664
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: to Capitol Records and about two thousand I think it was,

665
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I was on the label for a year,

666
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: never even recorded one song for him, and uh, and

667
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: got dropped from the label. And and so that was tough. Man.

668
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: It was like I'd spent you know, I mean, that

669
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: was the brass ring, That's what I was after. And

670
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: to finally get that and to not even really get

671
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: a chance to prove myself before I got dropped was

672
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it did a lot. It was

673
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: like it was sad, but it also like kind of

674
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: pissed me off a little bit. And Uh, to me,

675
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: that was the thing that made me like really want

676
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: to go out and and kind of proved myself and

677
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: and um, and that's why when I got my next

678
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: record deal offer, it was from both Broken Boat Records,

679
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: which was a little independent label. Um really didn't even

680
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: have any superstars. I mean, Craig Morgan was over there

681
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: and was having some some just starting to have a

682
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: couple of hits. I think Sharie Austin was over there

683
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: at the time and had a hit or two, but

684
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: they really didn't have a whole lot going on. And so, um,

685
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, I signed over there with no clue how

686
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: that was gonna work out, but at least it was

687
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: somebody willing to give me an opportunity. And and I

688
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: think for a long time I sort of carried that

689
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder to to go out and really

690
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: want to prove myself. So I would I would say

691
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: that was the main thing. Why would you be signed?

692
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: And I understand why you would get dropped if you

693
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: had put out a single that didn't do well or you,

694
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: but why would they sign you and then drop you

695
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: before giving you a legitimate chance? Well, so I signed

696
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: over there. Um. The head of the label was was

697
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: a guy named Pat Quigley, and so when when they

698
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: signed me, and so literally before I could sign my deal, um,

699
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: the new president came in, which is Mike Dungan who

700
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: who was there now And I have since talked to Mike.

701
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: We were great, like I love Mike, but he came

702
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: in and I just don't really think he got it.

703
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he was a believer in in what

704
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I was doing at that time, and um, and so

705
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: I think he wouent ahead and signed the deal, but

706
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he was ever really a believer in it.

707
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: And so ultimately it just kind of fizzled out and

708
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: went away. When you came to town though, that was

709
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: a bit of a jolt to the system. And you know,

710
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I didn't why not much small level like I understand

711
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: that because when I came here and people are like,

712
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: what is this, I don't understand it. It ain't gonna

713
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: and I kind of had to beat it into submission.

714
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: And here you were. You look different, you sounded different.

715
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: There's a little more of an edge. Did you get

716
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: a lot of that? Like, I just don't get it. Yeah,

717
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean I go back and listen to some of

718
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: the stuff we were doing early on, and and as

719
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: edgy as I thought it was at the time, I

720
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: listened to it now and I'm like, this, really it

721
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: really wasn't. But at the time it was, and so um,

722
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think that was a little bit of that.

723
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we were we were different than anything else

724
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: that was out the time and and so um. But

725
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I think the best thing could happen to me was like,

726
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't really know the rules, Like, you know,

727
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know there there were rules. I didn't know

728
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: you couldn't remember having ear rings and that being a

729
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: huge thing, ear rings and a cowboy hat. And I'm like, really,

730
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: I've had these since those seventeen years old. Like it

731
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a big a deal for me. But um, if

732
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: you don't know the rules, you don't play by Yeah,

733
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: And so to me, it was just like, you know,

734
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: it just kind of went went along business as usual.

735
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't think we really knew at the

736
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: time that what we were doing was kind of, you know,

737
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: changing the game a little bit. With you having your

738
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: own label now and night Train Records, I would assume

739
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: all of that that you've learned along the way, both

740
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: failures and successes. Uh, like has made you a better

741
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: head of a label. Yeah, I mean I think so.

742
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just experience, you know. I

743
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: mean it's it's guys. I mean, with with other artists

744
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: that we have, um, just having them be prepared for

745
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: things or if something pops up, it's like, you know,

746
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I've either gone through it or or

747
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, I have witnessed it, so you know, it's

748
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I can talk to those guys on on a level

749
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I've seen this before, I've been through this,

750
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen. This is how how you

751
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: deal with it. Um, you're not just an executive like

752
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: you've actually you are, but now, but you've done all

753
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: of what they're doing. You're through every single stuff, so

754
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: you can empathize more than just sympathize. Yeah. Absolutely, man,

755
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: I mean and and you know I try to be

756
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, not only like kind of run the label,

757
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: but label, but also you know, produced those guys and like, um,

758
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: you know a guy we're working with, John Morgan, he's

759
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: on this New America's uh Songwriter contest show that's out

760
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: right now. You know, he's representing North Carolina and so,

761
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, having a talk with him, he's like, you know,

762
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is an opportunity we have, you know,

763
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: what do you think? And sitting down and talking to

764
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: him about those kind of things and um, you know,

765
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: it's just just kind of been there, done that, and

766
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: can at least give some insight into whatever it is

767
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: they got going on? They got any good? He's great, great,

768
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: can't wait for you guys to hear him. I have

769
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: not it's nothing. Now. He's got a song out. We

770
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: released something last year just because we took him out

771
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: on tour with us. It's called Coldest Beer in Town.

772
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: And um, we just you know, wanted to have something

773
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: out on him while he was out on tour with

774
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: us for people to go get. But but his big

775
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: launches is coming this year, so he's uh. He was

776
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a writer on the Carry duet and he's also a

777
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: writer on the new song we Got Trouble with the Heartbreak.

778
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Here's Tim McGraw And this is Tim McGraw's biggest failure.

779
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: That happened when Bruce Springsteen asked him to perform at

780
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: a tribute. Pretty funny story from Tim mcgrawl. Right here

781
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: was there a moment in your career that you look

782
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: back at there was a massive failure, and you go,

783
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that happened because I learned a lot

784
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: from it that allowed a lot of those successes. But

785
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, you always learn more from your failures than

786
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: you do your successes. And you know, I certainly certainly

787
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: have had my moments where I wasn't the best person

788
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: I could be or the best artist I could be.

789
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: You know, I've had those moments for sure. Um. The

790
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: biggest massive failure and embarrassment that I had was at

791
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: the Grammy Cares one year. Um, Bruce Springsteen, who's a

792
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: friend of mine and one of my favorite people in

793
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: the world, asked Faith and I to to do tougher

794
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: than the rest together for his the honor of honoring

795
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: him at the At the thing, you never all these

796
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: huge artists were there. I mean Neil Young, I mean

797
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: you Steing, you name it, they were all. They're performing

798
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: Springsteen songs, and and anybody that knows Springstey, you know

799
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: it's so hard to cover his songs because a lot

800
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: of them are so left footed and and wordy and

801
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So we're sitting at his

802
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: table and he goes, you know, at the end, I'm

803
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: getting up and doing uh oh, what's that song? One

804
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: of those those Anyway, we got up and I said, sure,

805
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: well look it up and sing. So we all were

806
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: all on stage, all these artists on on stage, and

807
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: it was one of those songs where everybody knows the

808
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: first person knows the chorus, but nobody ever really knows

809
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: the second verse. So we're standing there and he turns

810
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: around and says, hey, black Hat comes sing the second verse.

811
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can pull this off. And I

812
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: go up and now I just a total fail. I

813
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: couldn't find the phrasing. I didn't know the words. I mean,

814
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: it was terrible, and I was so embarrassed. It was

815
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: one of those nights I've just ruined my career, I've

816
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: just ruined her. Luckily, because it aired luckily, I got

817
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: to go back and fix it and they were able

818
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: to cut away and and so it didn't look like

819
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: I forgot the words, but it was. It was. It

820
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: was one of those things I can't do it on

821
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: in front of everybody. But Faith was standing beside me,

822
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: and I got up and tried to sing it. And

823
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: when I stepped back. She did like a little bit

824
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: of a side step away from it. I don't know

825
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: that's funny. Here's Jimmy Westbrook from A Little Big Town.

826
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: Is him talking about how they got dropped from their

827
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: first record deal just months after signing. At the time

828
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: kind of destroyed them, but now very happy it happened. Obviously,

829
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: from that point where you meet Philip, when did you

830
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: have to create the LLC or that now it's an entity,

831
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: like we aren't just friends that are singing making forty

832
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: bucks for four of us to split. We're now going

833
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: to pursue this, and if we're going to pursue it,

834
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: it's got to exist. So when did that happen? It

835
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: was right right around that same time. I mean it

836
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: all happened, like from the time that I said I

837
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: was going to do this to the time we um

838
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: that was maybe at the end of ninety eight when

839
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: we were having these conversations. I moved in February of nine.

840
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: We were a four person group, all the four existing members,

841
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: and just a few months later had a record deal.

842
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: So that was all super fast. I moved here in

843
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: February and we started. I remember I just opened up

844
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: that branch of that company, and I was already going, hey,

845
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to come. We're gonna

846
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: go sing for some labels and that kind of thing.

847
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: They were super I was really up front about all that.

848
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: When I moved, I'm like, I have this intention, so

849
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna run into this issue at me. And

850
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: so when it happened, they were have an intention to

851
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: watch the game, You're can run into this issue the

852
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: buses at park where I can get signal thinking ahead, yes,

853
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: that's pretty quick to get a record deal. Yeah, I

854
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: mean we sang for six labels. We took a one guitar.

855
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: I didn't even really play guitar at that time. UM

856
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: took it in and saying live in front of all

857
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: the record execs. And we got about five offers out

858
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: of the six. Geeze. So if I'm you, I'm going

859
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: to well or one step away from fame and it's on. Yeah,

860
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: when did you realize that that's not quite how it works? Well?

861
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: We um, we got our record deal. We in fact

862
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: the signed the night we signed with Mercury Records, which

863
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: lasted about four months. Maybe. UM, we got a spot

864
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: at the Opery to play. We only knew three songs.

865
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: We played all of them, um, and then they immediately

866
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: whisked whisked us away and a limo to the airport

867
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: to go sing at the day La Hoya fight for

868
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: the national anthem. And when we were getting picked up

869
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: in limos at the airport in Vegas, I was like, oh,

870
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: this is on and then we lost our well we didn't.

871
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: We walked away from that. It was a handshake walk away.

872
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: Not many months after that, so it was quickly like, oh,

873
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: this this is not going how I thought it was

874
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: gonna go. Well, I'm gonna ask you and I have

875
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: you expand on both of these, but the harshest reality

876
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: once you get a deal and then but then actually

877
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of the greatest fairy tale that because you've been

878
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: able to experience both. I'll say that you guys are

879
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: in my mind if I'm just speaking of my thoughts

880
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: and feelings here, which is often what I do. Like, Um,

881
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: you guys have really worked. Everybody works hard. You guys

882
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: have worked hard, and you've had a boom, big song.

883
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: I like what you guys do. Though you try to

884
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: push in different directions and at all times it's not

885
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: always People aren't always receptive of new things, and I

886
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: always admired that you guys continue to try that regardless.

887
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: And so you say there's a gap, But in my mind,

888
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, probably gap because people don't understand what

889
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: you guys are trying at the time, right, Like, that's

890
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: how I interpret You're not saying it. That's how I'm

891
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: interpreting because I've been able to experience a lot of it,

892
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: not beside you, but running in a parallel path. So

893
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: when I say harshest reality, biggest fairy tale, you've got

894
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: to have them both. Let's start with the harshest reality

895
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: of what it is that you do and and what

896
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: you've had to experience. Well, I mean, I think I

897
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: immediately go to to the time when I was just

898
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: telling you that, Um, the Mercury deal started going awry. Um,

899
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: had you know what's going awry? Did you feel it?

900
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: It was made very we were made aware that it was.

901
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: We without going into too much of the the backside

902
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: of of all that, we we basically signed at Mercury

903
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: cut a few sides, and when the powers that be

904
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: at that time at Mercury heard the sides that we did,

905
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: we cut about four songs. UM They basically said, hey,

906
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: if if any of this is who you are, we're

907
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: not interested. They were just were not in and so

908
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: the harshest reality was UM. I think in that moment,

909
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: I remember them saying all of that UM and basically

910
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: felt like we had an ultimatum like our So I

911
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I just remember going to the parking lot after that

912
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: conversation and all of the four of us sitting in

913
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: a car shell shocked. I mean, we just signed our deal,

914
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: we had did you know the day Lahoya fight this

915
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: is and then all of a sudden, now that's about

916
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: to be yanked out from unders. We're about to lose

917
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: our record deal. But I'll tell you this, in that moment,

918
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: and I think that was a pivotal moment for the

919
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: band as far as what you're talking about of pushing

920
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: and following our gut and our heart and where we

921
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: musically want to go. We had that decision to make

922
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: that day, and it was the hardest decision probably, oh

923
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: I know at that time that we've made. It was

924
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult because we were we were sitting there having

925
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: to ask ourselves is any part of what we just

926
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: presented them us? And it was you know, some of

927
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: the production might not have been quite the right direction,

928
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: but we're still experimenting, trying to figure out who we are.

929
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: But the harmony, structures and all of that of what

930
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: we presented was us. So we made the decision ourselves

931
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: that we were going to walk away from it. But

932
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: because if they're telling us that they don't want any

933
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: of that, then we can't stay here. That's that's not

934
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: going to be true for ourselves, and and but it

935
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: also set the ground work for who we became as

936
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: a band as far as living and dying by our

937
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: own decisions. Now, when I mentioned on the other side

938
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: of that, like like it's so great, it's weird, like

939
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: they're they're You're like, wow, this is going so wonderfully

940
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: that it feels like it's the dream. Because I'm lucky

941
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: enough to get those moments too, I mean where you're

942
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: just like, I can't believe it's happening. I feel like

943
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: I have so many of those moments. But um, it's

944
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: always to me the unexpected, unbelievable moments, like collaborations that

945
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: you do with people, or the being asked to be

946
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: an Opery member. It's the things that you didn't even

947
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: take the time to dre him up because you're like, oh,

948
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was possible. Um, it's kind of

949
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: all of those moments of um, you know, singing on

950
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: John Mellencamp record, like we we ended up doing non

951
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: songs on one of his records as the vocals for

952
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: his thing. It's it's those kinds of moments that you

953
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: get to share the stage with people that you're just like,

954
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: I don't how I'm from Somerton? How did I? How

955
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: did I? How am I standing up here on this

956
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: stage with this person? And those are the moments that

957
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for and that you can't plan. Um

958
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: that they just kind of worked themselves out and happened,

959
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: and it's you just walk away going, man, what a

960
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: what an incredible blessing this has all been. Here's Russell

961
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: Dickerson with his wife Kaylee and how he got drawn

962
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: from his first publishing deal I getting paid to write songs,

963
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: and how he sat on his first big hit, Yours

964
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: for two years before being able to record it. That

965
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: whole deal from back then pub deal? Did it turn

966
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: into all the things we thought it was going to?

967
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Fair wise you still would same published company. Also, you're

968
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: out of all of that. Yeah, that was that. The

969
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: first I signed in two thousand eleven, that was a

970
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: two year deal, got dropped after two years, um, and

971
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: then that was two thousand thirteen, and I didn't even

972
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: write yours until two thousand fourteen. And then I didn't

973
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: sign a deal till you haven't made that song and

974
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: it's after two years. Huh. Yeah, well, what's kind of

975
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: the genesis of your writing that song? And it took

976
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: a second for it to kind of happen. Yeah, so

977
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: you're right, like, just tell me about the So the

978
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: overall picture is January twenty something is when we wrote it,

979
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: and then January twenty something, literally almost to the day,

980
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: four years later, four years is when it went number one.

981
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: So four years in between that was. I had one

982
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: offer for a publishing deal. We took it, we had to,

983
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: We had no just got married. I got dropped the

984
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: week we got back from our honeymoon. So that was

985
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: a great We made twelve dollars that you yea combined. Yeah,

986
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: So that was that was year one of marriage and

987
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: then soeen we wrote it, and I mean we just

988
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: we went all around town. Everybody said no, all the

989
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: majors all the indies every I mean literally, were you

990
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: were you chasing an artist deal with that song? Were

991
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: you also pitching the song as well? So you want

992
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: you wrote it? You're like, it's mine on this hill? Yeah,

993
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole, This whole time, I was like,

994
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: I'm an artist writer, you know, like that was that

995
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: was what I wanted to do, and so, uh yeah,

996
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: I was just like I we obviously didn't take no

997
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: for an answer, but I just put everything on this

998
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: one song. I was like, I know, I know that,

999
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: I know that, I know this is a hit. And

1000
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: and it took, i mean another two years from writing

1001
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: it too to go to labels and showcases and do

1002
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: the whole dance. And it wasn't until uh thirty Tigers

1003
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: slash now Triple Tigers. They've just started a whole brand

1004
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,479
Speaker 1: new label, and it was it was Norbert Nicks, who

1005
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: had just got a let go from Sony, and like

1006
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Herring who just gotta let go from Warner. It's

1007
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: all these guys who kind of, you know, related to this,

1008
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: this like being rejected kind of mentality, like a little

1009
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder a little bit, and um, and

1010
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: it just all came together with this tiny little label.

1011
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: I was the only artist on there and they had

1012
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: me one song, and that was that was what really ignited.

1013
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean I missed the whole video part, but in

1014
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: industry wise, industry wise, that that was what what really

1015
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: like took took it. You know, at what point because

1016
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: the label was a small independent label, so it's it's

1017
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: difficult because they don't have the promotion infrastructure right for

1018
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: for an independent that they just don't have arms and

1019
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: fangs everywhere. So but at what point, though, did you

1020
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: realize we actually have a shot with this thing, Like

1021
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: this thing could actually be a massive hit. Like what

1022
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: was it a number on the chart? Yeah? Like were

1023
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: you hearing about research? Because it was also a ballad,

1024
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh my dear God, I don't play. But then it

1025
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: started jumping like it was only in the twenties for

1026
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: like three weeks, four weeks something like that. It was

1027
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: like jump, two spots, jump, three spots, jump, and then

1028
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: it was in the teens and we were like who woa, whoa, whoa,

1029
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: what was happening? Did you do this song on any

1030
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: any TV? On any anything on our favorite? Did you

1031
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: do the Bachelor? It seems like the bachelor. Okay, I

1032
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: don't know this, but it seems like this, this would

1033
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: be that kind of song, big pop from that. Absolutely

1034
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: it was a couple, Rachel and Dean. Rachel she was

1035
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: she was like bab Dean was Geanie babies. Do you

1036
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: know Dean Bachelor in Paradise? He came back. I've never

1037
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: seen us. Not the guy to talk, but but I

1038
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: don't know Rachel. Okay, So she's an attorney, she's smart,

1039
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: she's really cool. You play this on the show or

1040
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: it was ever on radio? I'm pretty sure? Or no, No,

1041
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: it was on radio and it jump because it was

1042
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: so hard after it jumped like tin spots on airplay

1043
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: and top top of the iTunes charts, you know, just

1044
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: like craziness. That was. That was a big jump. When

1045
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: you played that song on the show, you did over

1046
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: and over again. Yeah, it was that two is Are

1047
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: you just playing with them? Dani? What was the scene?

1048
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: Was that awkward? Uh? Well they were late first of all,

1049
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: So it all started where we never had a tour

1050
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: bus before, but we got to ride down in a

1051
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: tour bus and then to South Carolina, South Carolina. Um,

1052
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: and then so we're waiting, we're waiting. We're waiting. I

1053
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: think Chris Harrison was felt bad. So he comes on

1054
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: our bus and you know, we have a we raise

1055
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: a toast, we have to have a drink, and we're

1056
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: just like hanging out with Chris Harrison on our bus,

1057
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: which for us at the time, we were like, I

1058
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: was freaking out. He was there for like two hours

1059
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: and we shared we had knob right now and I

1060
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: had him signed the bottle and I have it in

1061
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: my house, like I mean, like I'm a fan. And

1062
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: he let us every Monday, like her and her gal

1063
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: pals get together and watch Bachelor. He's also really nice.

1064
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: He's so nice to me, let us. He let us

1065
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: come to after the final rows. He was like, let

1066
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: me take us, do you want. I was like, it's

1067
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: twelve too many, and he was like, no, we'll make

1068
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: it happen. We I mean, me and all my friends

1069
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: filed in, Like it was so fun. It was really

1070
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: cool to like make it a real life experience and

1071
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: not so like this is the show. That's cool that

1072
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: you got to watch him play on the show and

1073
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: you got to hate because you're a fan. When you're

1074
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: a fan of something, it's so much cool that when

1075
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: it actually works out in a way that makes you

1076
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: still feel good. Yeah, and it was fun. It was

1077
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing is a crazy phenomenon. And

1078
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: do I think it's the best way to find someone? Now?

1079
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Am I highly entertained by drama that has nothing to

1080
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: do with my own life? Yes? I love it. I

1081
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: love it. They are they dancing? Is a dance scene.

1082
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: It's like a slow dance makeout. And how many times

1083
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: do you think you have to play that song with

1084
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: them dancing? Yeah, it was like two or three. But

1085
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: they have to make out every time on cue? No, no, no,

1086
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: they just think I mean, they made out, but they

1087
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: wanted to. It wasn't like make out at this It

1088
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: wasn't choreograph. This is Reba on how a bad review

1089
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: from USA Today ended up leading to the success of

1090
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: our TV show, Reba. Whenever you started to do Rebo,

1091
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: your your television series, did you guys get a straight

1092
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: deal or did you do a pilot and then the

1093
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: pilot got picked up? I was in the midst of

1094
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: doing any Get Your Done. We went in in April.

1095
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: I took ten days off from and he gets Your

1096
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: Gun to Do go to California shoot the pilot. Then

1097
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: we went to Upfronts, which is in May, and I

1098
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: had done eight shows that week. I got Monday off.

1099
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning was up front, so I had to be

1100
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: but crack of dawn over there. And they changed the

1101
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: name three times. When we filmed the show for the pilot,

1102
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: it was the script was called Sally, and Marvel went

1103
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: to him and said, you know, if you did the

1104
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: afternoon filming as Sally and then in front of the

1105
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: audience tape it and Reba Briba instead of Sally, then

1106
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: let's see how that tests out. And they said, okay,

1107
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: so the title went from Sally. By the time I

1108
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: got to Upfronts, it was deep in the heart because

1109
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: we were off from Houston, Texas and we were the

1110
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: Heart family. So then there came out this thing on

1111
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: the USA today that they're publisist. Publicists had said, why

1112
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: the w B had ever heard rebut mac and tire

1113
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: for this part is ridiculous. She's not ever Yeah, she's

1114
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: not our demographics, And so the head of the company

1115
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: called by the time we got back to the hotel

1116
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: after up Fronts and said, terribly sorry, terribly sorry. What

1117
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: can we do to make up for this. Well, I'd

1118
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: already gone back to bed. I had a performance that night.

1119
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: So Norvel was talking to Hernie. He heard me get

1120
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: up and go to the bathroom and out of the

1121
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: other room and he said, um, hang on, let me

1122
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: put reb on the line. Banged on the bathroom doors.

1123
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: So pick up the phone and so I said hello.

1124
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: I said, we're terribly sorry, what happened and what was

1125
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: in the USA today? What can we do to make

1126
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: this up to you? And I was half asleep and

1127
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: I said, uh oh, well, she said well, Norvell said

1128
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: if we call it Reba, you'll be happy with that.

1129
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: And I said that's a wonderful idea. Thank you, hung up,

1130
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: went back to bed. So that's how I got the

1131
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: name Reba. And so you go, did you move out

1132
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: to l A because it was that like you said, Hey,

1133
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: I got I just gotta go. If I'm gonna do this,

1134
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't need to visit it, I need to go

1135
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: live it. Oh we had. We were there three weeks.

1136
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: So what happened was I got through it. Then he

1137
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: gets your gun. On June we went to Ireland for

1138
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: a vacation. I did five weeks all Girl tour and

1139
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: then went to l A. Found found an apartment, a

1140
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: condo we lived in for the first season, because you

1141
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: never know, it could go thirteen weeks and you don't

1142
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: get picked up. But then we got picked up on

1143
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the back nine, and then Marvel went house hunting and

1144
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: we bought a house and we were there for six

1145
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: and a half seasons. Did that ever feel like home

1146
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: out there? I loved living in l A. I'd love

1147
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: to go back and do another show. Oh yeah, absolutely.

1148
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: Have you guys, you know, explored different versions of that.

1149
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: Have you been close, real close? Have you shot a

1150
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: pilot to anything? Yeah, the Mark Cherry pilot. We did

1151
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: one called ox Blood, and uh, they passed on. It's

1152
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: always a weird thing because I've shot a few pilots

1153
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: and had it passed on, where you feel like everybody

1154
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: so pumped about it and everybody loves it. But then

1155
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: might have been talk shows like, oh, this is it.

1156
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: Research has been great, it's been it's tested so wonderfully. Well,

1157
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: let's spend some month. Well it's just right now. So

1158
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: is that show? That show is done? That show is done, unfortunately,

1159
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: which I thought it was gonna you know, last forever.

1160
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I thought I'd retire off of that show. I mean

1161
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: the ox Blood that show. That's it. Yeah, Mark Cherry,

1162
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: I love his show now Why Women Kill. It's just

1163
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: he is a genius. I saw my wife watching that

1164
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: show one day and I was like, why are you

1165
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: watching Why? I don't know what it was about, just

1166
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: exactly what are your motives? Are we learn from this show? Yes? What?

1167
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: Here's Cain Brown's manager, Martha Earls on getting fired before

1168
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: an award show for spending too much time with her

1169
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: new artist at the time, who was Kane Brown. And

1170
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: this is right before he exploded on the country music scene.

1171
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: I let go of other things. There are other people,

1172
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: other clients I had fired me. I remember when person

1173
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: fired me, like the night of the c m A

1174
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: is because I was paying too much attention to Kine

1175
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: and and and honestly that was all a gift, right

1176
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: because for the first two two and a half three

1177
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: years we worked together, it was all we did. We

1178
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: were so focused. Kane and I were like laser beam

1179
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: locked in and if something came at me that didn't

1180
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: have anything to do with what our mission. I know,

1181
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: I just ignored it. When you do. When you guys

1182
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: were kind of making your early plan was that, hey,

1183
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: people are going to tell you you don't look like

1184
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: country music, and here's what we're going to do back

1185
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: at that, Um yeah, I mean people, it wasn't even

1186
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: a well, I didn't even think about, oh, we're going

1187
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: to retaliate that we're not retaliable, but but it can be.

1188
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna put out great songs over and over again,

1189
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: keep doing what we're doing right and super serve the

1190
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: fans and super serve the people that are there for you,

1191
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: you know. And that's even the advice. It's now it's

1192
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: like even Kine and I talked about it now where

1193
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: people are so mean on the internet, and it's like,

1194
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: just lean into the ones that are kind. You know. Yeah,

1195
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: when whenever I moved here, it was awful. I mean

1196
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: the first two and half years were awful for me.

1197
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: You're awful. I can't imagine. And it wasn't just Nashville,

1198
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: because Nashville kicked the crap out of me for a

1199
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: long time, but it was you know, they took us

1200
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: and put us on all of these country radio stations,

1201
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: which meant a lot of these stations had radio guys

1202
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: that were either retiring or they were firing because ratings

1203
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: weren't good, and so we weren't just feeling it on

1204
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: a level here at home, we were getting it in

1205
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: every single market. So I had to tell my guys, like,

1206
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: stay off of everything, let me handle it, stay off

1207
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: of it. But what we're going to do, we're never

1208
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: going to get those people. They are never they are.

1209
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: They made a couple of years come back around. But

1210
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: we got to take our people who are with us

1211
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: and make sure they know that they are the most

1212
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: important thing, and that's who we're here for. And so

1213
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: it was a version of that where we just knew

1214
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: we weren't getting those people that were that were upset

1215
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: that we existed. You can't that'll that'll exhaust you, and

1216
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: why not lean into what's working, and because eventually they'll

1217
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: start growing and and for you, for Kine, for whoever.

1218
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Those then they start out numbering the dissenters, and then

1219
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they start quieting the dissenters. And

1220
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: that's where you want to be. And then some of

1221
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: the dissenters come back around and go, you know what,

1222
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't really give you a chance at first, but

1223
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: they don't. They never said they're wrong. By the way.

1224
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: They never said they were wrong. They're just like, you know,

1225
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: I hated you at first, and now you know, I'm

1226
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: sister like Sha. They won't even say they like us,

1227
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: but they're like, hey, my sister like Sha. But I

1228
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: just I know what that feels like to go and

1229
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: and and not the same way at all because we

1230
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: do different things. But just have everyone immediately go, you're

1231
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: not us and you don't represent us, when in the end,

1232
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: I represented them more than anything in the past that

1233
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: had claimed to do so, which was the craziest thing

1234
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: to me exactly. But you never had that opportunity to

1235
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: even express that. So when Caine is putting out the

1236
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: first music as a managed was he signed yet or

1237
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: did you do that with him? Um? Yeah, it feels complicated. Yeah,

1238
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: it's completed. Okay. So when you put you when you

1239
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: put out your first music that you're going to go

1240
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: to DSPs, digital or radio, like your first this is

1241
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: our first big release together. Why did you choose the

1242
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: body of work that you chose, Like, what was it

1243
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: to you that that said here, this is our entrance

1244
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: into the big world. Yeah? When he So when I

1245
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: first started working with Kane, he had put some songs

1246
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: out independent. He was in a production deal and independently

1247
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: had put some songs out and they did really well.

1248
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: So then when he made his first, like you said,

1249
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: it was an EP, it was a five or six

1250
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: song EP for Sony. It was it was a couple

1251
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: of those songs that he had put out, you know,

1252
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: they've never really been including a collection of work. And

1253
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: then the other were came. He did really work on

1254
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: his songwriting when he came to town. He really worked

1255
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: on songwriting and found his small group, and so the

1256
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: others were songs that he had written that he was

1257
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: proud of, and Kane was touring, he was selling out.

1258
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: What was crazy is he was selling out two thousand

1259
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: cap rooms without having any product out. It was wild

1260
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: and so we really couldn't get that first EP out

1261
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: quick enough. So when you put out what was the

1262
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: first song, I'm trying to think about it. You used

1263
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: to love You sober was his first kind of song.

1264
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: So why that one? Um? That one was the song

1265
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: that he That was the first song he ever wrote

1266
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: when he came to Nashville, and he put it on

1267
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: social media and came was one of the first artists

1268
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: to tease their music in Nashville at least, I don't

1269
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: want to outside Nashville. Other people were doing it, but

1270
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: in Nashville to really tease his music on social media,

1271
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: and the demand for it was so high that he

1272
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: put it out. Were you satisfied with the reaction and

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: also the success of the song because it wasn't a

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01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: number one. I don't thing it was the thirties number.

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: But did you feel like, hey, we got some good

1276
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: traction here with the first one, or we disappointed. Well,

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: we put it out and it at the time, iTunes

1278
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: was the thing. You know. iTunes really mattered, and it

1279
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: did really well in iTunes and number one on iTunes.

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh my gosh, when we put this, take

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: this to the radio, It's going to be like an

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Speaker 1: instant hit. And it wasn't. And so that was a

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: bit of a reality check. And the thing about it

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01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: is with Kane was selling all these tickets and so

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01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: we were like, you know what, We're still connecting with

1286
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: people obviously because they're coming out and seeing the show

1287
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: and there the song was a gold record and all

1288
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: of this stuff. So we just you just have to

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01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: kind of keep moving, keep working towards something. The second

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Speaker 1: song UM the label chose it was called Thunder in

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01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: the Rain. You know, I don't remember that one. I

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: remember that. I know the first one, Thunder in the

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01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: Rain was went to like number forty eight. It was

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01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: not UM, not not necessarily the greatest one we had,

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: and so thunder in the Rain, uh. I remember when

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Speaker 1: that was out. It was up tempo and it was like, okay,

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01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: this is but it's real musically it wasn't really as

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01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: much kine. It's not like he performs it live every

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01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: night or whatever. But UM by this point he had

1300
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: made a full album, and so we put out his

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: first full album UM with a number forty eight song

1302
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: coming off the chart. Are you guys like it's like

1303
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: two worlds, It's like one world you're selling. You're selling

1304
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: both both tickets and music, because at the time that

1305
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: was the thing. We actually sold downloads. But then you

1306
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: have I'm assuming these old school UM gatekeeper radio programmers

1307
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: that just aren't buying it. I mean, it's buying it.

1308
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: The term that you would use. I mean there was

1309
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I would never say who.

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know if they're still around,

1311
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: but I remember there was one um, one person at

1312
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: a station. And I didn't really get in the weeds

1313
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: on that, because you know, the record labels have like

1314
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: whole teams of people that talk to the radio and stuff,

1315
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: and but somehow, I don't know, I think because we

1316
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: were doing a show in the market and I remember

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to this guy and and he uh,

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Kane, sold out the show in

1319
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: your market, and uh, it would be awesome, like if

1320
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: you could, you know, maybe like play the song. We'd

1321
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: love to sold out the show in their market. And

1322
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: you're begging for radio. Oh yeah, that happened everywhere. And

1323
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: he and the guy said, well, we don't. I don't

1324
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: play urban music. I played country music. And I said, oh,

1325
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: I know, that's that's wonderful because Cam Brown is a

1326
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: country artist. And he said, no, he's not. And I said,

1327
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: yes he is. It's like this like it was like

1328
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: comic almost, and yes he is, and he goes, I

1329
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: know he's not. I just looked at him and I said, okay,

1330
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: well maybe you should go listen to him. And that

1331
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: was the end of the conversation and he did not

1332
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: play the song. I looked at him, I know he's

1333
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: not country I looked at him, and I'm assuming again.

1334
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a lot of assuming here that as

1335
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: Kane has again, and we're going to end this in

1336
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: a little bit talking about how massive he is yet

1337
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: still under appreciated. That again, how massive he is in

1338
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: places that's probably still happening in a way, and I

1339
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: think that's probably why he's not getting the respect he deserves.

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: I think, do you mean, like for award nominations, I mean,

1341
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: for everything you know? I don't. I don't know. I

1342
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: mean I think sometimes uh, I don't know. Maybe people

1343
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: put their vote behind what they see themselves in and

1344
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe they're the same perficial and don't see themselves and

1345
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: how somebody looks. Well, then I will say it. I

1346
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: do think that is a major There's just no reason

1347
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: that an artist, if you take away faces and skin

1348
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: color and genitals, let's pull all that off. Okay, it's

1349
01:04:54,280 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 1: the weirdest shape and you just line up body of work, songs, uh, streams, hits, radio, radio,

1350
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: number one's concert. There's no reason that Kane shouldn't be

1351
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: and he is to people like me and fans, but

1352
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: to the people that are organizing these higher level awards

1353
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: there's no reason he shouldn't be in those conversations. Thanks

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01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: for listening to this Bobby Cast. Hope you enjoyed it,

1355
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: and I hope you look at the famous failures that

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Speaker 1: we add here and you leave this feeling inspired by

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01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: hearing how things may not always go the way you

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: at hope, but it can act to actually turn into

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: something pretty awesome if you just don't quit. Also, you

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01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: just can't predict the future, so don't stop pushing. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to subscribe to the Bobby Cast wherever you're listening

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: to this now rate at five stars if you don't mind.

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01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: That would be because when people give us one star,

1364
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: we keep pushing, don't we mind? Keep going, but keep

1365
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: going We could use those five stars. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: next Friday with a brand new episode. We appreciate you, guys,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time on the Bobby Cast.