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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our fashion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's Monday. How you do in? Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 1: it's the fifth of June twenty twenty three, and it's

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Speaker 1: time for Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm

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Speaker 1: nearly one half of your hosting duo. I join you

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Speaker 1: from the capital of the Statosnitos, right here in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Joined by my Well, it's somewhat I would

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Speaker 1: say he's beige today. Actually he looks I look a

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Speaker 1: little pinker than he does. Actually that's normally normally not

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Speaker 1: the case. It's Brian Campbell, my friend in yours. Hi, Brian, Yeah, Luca.

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Speaker 2: When they asked me on applications, what skin color race

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Speaker 2: I am? I always click other jaundice. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: just some Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You click other and you're like, I transcend race.

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Speaker 2: Bro, Yes, that's just that's just some pale washed guy humor.

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Speaker 2: Right there. Hey, welcome back Monday. We're gonna get after it.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: What a wild weekend for controversy in the sports, or

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Speaker 2: maybe just in that judging in the main event of

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Speaker 2: the UFC card that we will get to. But Luke,

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Speaker 2: did you have a nice weekend? They like when we

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Speaker 2: do really short intros, but you know, I could go

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Speaker 2: a full hour to lead things off right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Well, let's set the table hill very quickly because

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Speaker 1: I like what your where your head is at. But

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Speaker 1: just to set everyone up, we'll get to UFC Vegas

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Speaker 1: seventy four results here on today's show, plus a couple

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Speaker 1: of controversies that come out of both of what BC

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Speaker 1: is saying, the judging that happened over the weekend, and then,

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Speaker 1: more to the point, some statements made by Dana White

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Speaker 1: that were both in one case baffling but in another

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Speaker 1: case highly intriguing and very curious. We'll get to all

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Speaker 1: of that, plus dms from docs have you seen the shit?

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Speaker 1: And a whole lot more so thumbs up if you're

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Speaker 1: watching her on YouTube, please sit subscribe if you haven't already, BC,

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Speaker 1: you were asking about my weekend. Boy, I had an

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Speaker 1: interesting day yesterday, a very interesting day. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: I saw the New Spider Man with my daughter. She

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Speaker 1: didn't love it, but she was long. It's over two hours.

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Speaker 1: She's four. It's a little much for her. It is

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Speaker 1: an absolutely fantastic movie. Couldn't recommend it more strongly. Although

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Speaker 1: it is frenetic, it reminds me of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Safti brothers have kind of this this style of

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Speaker 1: a lot going on in that one. But really, really,

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Speaker 1: really good. But BC, I teased you guys over text

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Speaker 1: tell you guys about. You are not going to believe

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Speaker 1: this now. You may not know this name, you may

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Speaker 1: not fully appreciate this at the time at which I

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Speaker 1: shouts out, is that Luke Thomas? So I turn around

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Speaker 1: and it's I didn't recognize the guy, so I didn't

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Speaker 1: this guy must be an MMA fan. He you know,

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Speaker 2: And what you mean is white and judgmental.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, white and judgmental, probably very far to the left,

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Speaker 1: But he was an older guy, and he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I listened to you in BC, so he mentioned you

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Speaker 1: introduced himself. Have you ever heard of the name Sean Hopwood? No, okay,

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Speaker 1: long story short. In his twenties, he inadvisably goes on

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Speaker 1: one of which was on miranda rights. Twice and succeeds. Understand,

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Speaker 1: His story has been widely covered by The New York Times, CBS, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: he had done related to the rights of people who

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Speaker 1: it was like adamant about telling us this. I was like,

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Speaker 2: You know, Luke, we always question, you know, are dick

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Speaker 2: jokes for everybody? For Sean Hopwood, they certainly are.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very excited about that. That's fantastic, you know

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Speaker 2: what I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, very cool. I was really blown away by that yesterday.

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Speaker 2: The guy I also have been, you know, dealing with

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Speaker 2: the stresses of life lately and looking to outlet them.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I know, it's normally a Friday thing

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Speaker 2: for the arts, Luke. But I'm back in the art space.

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Speaker 2: I came out of painting retirement. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to see it. I would

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you know, honest takes only Luke.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. It's interesting. You've planted seeds somewhere, there's roots,

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Speaker 2: January sixth, for all I know, Luke, I haven't yet

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Speaker 2: deciphered what it means. But it came directly from my heart.

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Speaker 2: Just so I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: If Sean Hopwood ever ends up arguing a jan six case, yes,

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Speaker 2: Can I be the courtroom uh, the courtroom paint illustrator there, Luke,

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Speaker 2: that'd be fantastic, Yes, that.

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Speaker 1: Would be amazing, all right, BC, I gotta remind everyone

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you're reading this from, Luke, but

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Speaker 1: We'll start with, of course, with the biggest event that happened. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kaikara France and Amir al Basi BC. There is a

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Speaker 1: lot of controversy coming out of this. Albasi wins a decision, however,

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Speaker 1: First things first, how did you score it?

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Speaker 2: Three rounds to two? Luke appears to be the acceptable,

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Speaker 2: the true scorecard. The question is in which direction?

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Speaker 2: on Chris Lee's scoring. We can get to that in

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Speaker 2: a second. But let's be very fair and honest. Was

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Speaker 2: it a good chess match right in the highest level

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Speaker 2: have gone either way? I actually think yes, but not

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Speaker 2: maybe in the sequence of rounds that people believe rounds

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Speaker 2: of the striking Round three when he took KAIKR France down,

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Speaker 2: clear in my mind. But I do think round one,

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Speaker 2: where not much happened. Albosi tried to force a clinch

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Speaker 1: Even if after the fact, under closer inspection, it becomes

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, like, I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 2: You know, I think I think round one for all

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Speaker 2: Bossi is the wrong score. I guess I'm just trying

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Speaker 2: so he actually stayed out of the fourth round. Chris

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Speaker 2: Lee controversy. I'm just basically saying that was this fight

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Speaker 2: that knee jerk thing is, hey, guys, close round could

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Speaker 2: one was close enough that depending on what they're looking

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Speaker 2: as expert Yes, that's largely our larger issue here, the recruitment,

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Speaker 2: But what's not forgive or explainable is round four with

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Speaker 2: him not winning. That's the part where we've got major

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Speaker 2: major issues we had in boxing, the Haini Lomachenko, which

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Speaker 2: I say not a robbery, but I still feel like

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Speaker 2: I think round one's close enough, Luke, you know what

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Speaker 2: If they scored one round one for all Basi and

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of funny. We don't really bring

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Speaker 2: No Vegas doesn't have this backbone in quality and consistent reputation.

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Speaker 2: It ain't good lately. It just ain't good at all. Nevada,

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Speaker 2: let's be let's be really open and honest here.

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Speaker 1: No, certainly not. I want to get back to that

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Speaker 1: round one if I can be seen. The truth part

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Speaker 1: I believe. How many leg kicks did he have in

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Speaker 1: that's where.

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Speaker 2: The re education factor and it really needs. And then

431
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Speaker 2: obviously the larger discussion of separating boxing scoring from MMA scoring,

432
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 2: although they have different criterias, we're again still using the

433
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Speaker 2: same ten to nine must you know ten point must system,

434
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Speaker 2: even though MMA has longer rounds and much more variety

435
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Speaker 2: to what's going on. Are the judges educated enough on

436
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: the level considering for so long who are MMA judges

437
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: largely people that came from the boxing judging side or

438
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Speaker 2: the boxing refereeing side. We still see that today with

439
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: a lot of crossover in there. Are they formally understanding

440
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Speaker 2: the impact of leg strikes and what that can add?

441
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Let me remind you that judges in

442
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Speaker 2: real time do not have access to any form of

443
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Speaker 2: punch metric or counting, you know, in the moment system.

444
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Speaker 2: And on top of that, the main reason why we

445
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: often say on here, particularly in boxing, when talking about

446
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Speaker 2: CompuBox numbers, they can aid in your argument, and in

447
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Speaker 2: this case, when we're arguing round four and the legitimacy

448
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Speaker 2: of Chris Lee's scorecards scoring it for Albasi a twenty

449
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: seven to five factor is just it aids in our

450
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Speaker 2: argument of what the hell were you watching? But I

451
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Speaker 2: do want to conor the other point you made, not

452
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Speaker 2: that you were harping on it, but hey, Kai car

453
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Speaker 2: Franz out landed him every round and when you look

454
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Speaker 2: at the disparity in punch totals after the fact, it

455
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Speaker 2: can create to some degree an inaccurate picture. Why because

456
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Speaker 2: Albosi's biggest round was round three, where he inflicted a

457
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Speaker 2: ton of pressure and threat on the ground, not so

458
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Speaker 2: much with strikes and luke. Obviously here there's a difference

459
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Speaker 2: between a strike that has landed and a significant strike.

460
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Speaker 2: If somebody's working in a flurry of jabs or let's

461
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Speaker 2: say light leg strikes, that is going to be considered

462
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Speaker 2: and should be considered different than when somebody steps in

463
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Speaker 2: and lands a real meaningful shot. Could round two be

464
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Speaker 2: argued for Kai car France. Certainly, I don't think that

465
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Speaker 2: was a dominant Albozi round, but I do think if

466
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Speaker 2: we are looking at a difference there, I did think

467
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: he landed the better power shots, particularly a one to

468
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Speaker 2: two that he stepped into and landed a big right

469
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Speaker 2: hand that sort of forced Kay car Frience to reset

470
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Speaker 2: and rethink for a moment. So the system's not perfect, Luke,

471
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: the operators aren't perfect. But here we are every week

472
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Speaker 2: on this show going hey, how do we fix this?

473
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Speaker 2: I think my issue is largely becoming now that I

474
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: don't think anybody cares about fixing it, you know what

475
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like we're not seeing press releases or big

476
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 2: summit meetings with the heads of all the state commissions

477
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: going wow, we have had a lot of issues lately,

478
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Speaker 2: And why should they care? Because of the impropriety factor,

479
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: Because Las Vegas is the fight capital of the world,

480
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: because betting is so tied into sports that we watched

481
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: on television today, you would not want that reputation hovering

482
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Speaker 2: and lingering over you. So I just feel like, even

483
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Speaker 2: though I'm the guy who argues with you, stop the

484
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: robbery talk. It's just this, it's just indifference or or

485
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Speaker 2: you know, ignorance. Can we fix the ignorance part? Because

486
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: round four from Chris Lee is ignorance. That's I mean,

487
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: that's just straight up again, the other rounds we can

488
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Speaker 2: find tooth Calm. Could you have given one round one

489
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Speaker 2: d al Bosi, Yes? Could you have given round two

490
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Speaker 2: to KKF Yes? But that just shows you what the

491
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Speaker 2: kuld of that it could have gone either way? What

492
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Speaker 2: about the times where it's clear it could not have

493
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Speaker 2: gone either way? Luke? What about those times?

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure what to say about that scorecard

495
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: because the thing about me for round one al Bosie,

496
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Speaker 1: it's like, am I so blinded to the reality that

497
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Speaker 1: a lot of judges in practice would get that wrong? No?

498
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Speaker 1: I am not blinded to that reality. I still don't

499
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Speaker 1: think it's that hard to score for car France. But okay,

500
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Speaker 1: in the world in which we live, I can understand

501
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: how some judges might get there. Again, I want to

502
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Speaker 1: point this out, even a very good judges using a

503
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Speaker 1: terrible process. Many don't have monitors, they don't have access

504
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: to statistics and they have to make a decision almost instantaneously.

505
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Speaker 1: You're just not going to get good decision making that way.

506
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get it. It's just not possible, right,

507
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: It's just a very bad way. And here, we're not

508
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: gonna let you review anything. We're not gonna let you

509
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: think about it. Please make a hasty decision based off

510
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: what you can immediately, just recall sixty seven year old person,

511
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: Like you think you're gonna get good judging that way.

512
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 1: But I have to say that round four for Albosi

513
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: is so incomprehensibly bad as to be disqualifying as a judge,

514
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Speaker 1: or at least as a bare minimum like worthy of

515
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Speaker 1: a broader conversation. I don't I don't know, I don't

516
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: know how you like, And I'm not being facetious here,

517
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: bec I'm asking, like, genuinely, does this person have vision

518
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: problems or hearing problems? Like? Are they are they? Are

519
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: they sensory impaired in some kind of way? Because I

520
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: don't know how you can have a mammalian brain that

521
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Speaker 1: functions at a reasonable level and even think about getting

522
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Speaker 1: to a spot where you give that round to Albosi

523
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: absolutely incomprehensible, unjustifiable, no two ways about it. He got

524
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Speaker 1: that one wrong. I'll go to my grave saying that, Well.

525
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Speaker 2: You know, it'd be great, look if we could hear

526
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Speaker 2: from the judge himself or his supervisor and get an

527
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: accurate breakdown of why. And that's why, because I have

528
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: friends in the boxing judging game, and because I do

529
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: like to be a guardian of hold on. Our sport

530
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: is broken, but it ain't that broken, So back off

531
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: for a second. I do like to lean back and

532
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: put some respect on the fact of the pressure that

533
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: they have in that job and the fact that, like

534
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: we always mentioned, they can't see all these other things.

535
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: We get to replay all that other stuff. But damn,

536
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of this could be explained

537
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: because judges are tied to a scoring criteria that sometimes

538
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: we are loose with at home with a beer in

539
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: our hand while we're tweeting and texting people and trying

540
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: to score out of the other side of our eye.

541
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Speaker 2: These guys are a letter of the law. These guys

542
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: are being taught it like, so I'd rather get that

543
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: explanation of Hey, guys, you know you thought you saw

544
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: that this guy should have won that round. But here's

545
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: an argument in the other factor. Leaning on this part

546
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: of the criteria, I actually believe that transparency and communication

547
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: could help fix this. It could help educate, It could

548
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: help protect their names and their you know, their reputation.

549
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: But nah, we don't want transparency in judging, Luke, we

550
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: don't want communication. We're gonna talk later in the show

551
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: about Mike Mizzouli's interview with Aaron Bronstutter that touches on

552
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: this and goes deep on this, So I'll save that

553
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: for that. But until we have that, unfortunately, it's gonna

554
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: lean on what Dana always tells the fighters. You don't

555
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: like the judges' scorecards, don't allow them into your fight.

556
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: Go out there and fight like an animal and be

557
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: reckless and go for the finish. Well, look, that's not everybody.

558
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: That's not always winning mma. That's not modern, well rounded mma, right, Like,

559
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: that's just old school of like you don't like it,

560
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: go out there and brawl and keep them out of it.

561
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 2: Or we can talk about the issues and the problems

562
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: that we have. Maybe I don't know. We're a unified

563
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: country in the United States in particular, can we create

564
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: a national commission and not a state by state one

565
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: where the laws and the rules can change sometimes drastically

566
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Speaker 2: from states state, even in boxing where every fight we

567
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: have to announce oh no, no three down knockdown rule

568
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: here because we're in this state, but replay only in

569
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: the last round because we're in this state. Like, can

570
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: we just get uniformed? I know, if we're gonna ask

571
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: very sensual governing body in boxing, we're probably gonna be

572
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: asking for too much to take that wild West foundation

573
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: and try to whip it up into something that makes

574
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: a ton of sense and has credibility. Right, boxing is

575
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: a wild West and that's where it's gonna stay. It

576
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: just is. But do we have to have that across

577
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: the board in the commissions that also control boxing but

578
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: also control mma where we just have no transparency or

579
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: education or information or anything. Then guess what we fill

580
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: the time on this microphone talking bad about the each

581
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: state and talking bad about their judges. Right, Why because

582
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: that's the only information they give us.

583
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to say anymore about stuff like this,

584
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: I really don't, but you you know I will push

585
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: back a little bit, Like about a national commission, I'm

586
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: not in favor of that either you know, if there

587
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: was a national I mean the whole Well, let's think

588
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: about it, Like, what is Colorado doing that is so interesting? Right?

589
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: Colorado does use the unified rules. So if the UFC

590
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: wanted to go back there, which of course they started there, basically,

591
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: they could do so. But what they've also said is

592
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: they looked into the one rule set and they also

593
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: allow any promoter who wants to employ that one that

594
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: they can. Now why is that significant? Well, in doing so,

595
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: the U it has angered the UFC. It has absolutely

596
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: pissed them off, and they are pledging the UFC hold on,

597
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: hold on. Well, okay, you can say that, but the

598
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: problem is they have pledged to not take their product

599
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: back there. Now, there are certain states where they absolutely

600
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: just don't need UFC. So, for example, California doesn't need UFC,

601
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: like between the amount of smaller to mid level promotions

602
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: in MMA and then all the boxing that takes place there,

603
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: that commission is so big they're not reliant upon them

604
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: in that way. But other states might be. And the

605
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: UFC is imposing, in this particular case, in economic penalty

606
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: to disincentivize other states to get on board. With that,

607
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm against a national commission, although I

608
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be opposed to certain forms of it, but I

609
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: guess here's my fear is that the only reason Colorado

610
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: was able to make progress outside of this homogenized rule

611
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: set is because they have that ability to do and

612
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: they have the regulatory access to do that. If we

613
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: had a national commission who was by the way, like,

614
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't trust these regulators to not favor top promoters

615
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: in MMA and boxing vierst. So my worry is if

616
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: you had one doing it, they would be basically in

617
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: bed with the promoter and you wouldn't able to get

618
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: what Colorado was now giving.

619
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Speaker 2: Okay, I would make it a governing national body, Luke.

620
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna get in bed with the promoter,

621
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: there's gonna be certain pelalonies. I'm not talking about the

622
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: WBC and the WBA. Who are you know, all waking

623
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: up in the same bed every morning and doing ridiculous

624
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: things to your counter about the rule change sets, Like

625
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: don't we allow different rules in other sports based on

626
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: the league or the promotion that's there? Like you know

627
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, So, like, what's the big deal about

628
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: each state going, Okay, if UFC comes through here, we

629
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: use this rule set. If PFL or one which has

630
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: different ways of looking at certain things, then we agree

631
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: to use their rules. Isn't that the same thing as

632
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: like if the NBA comes in, we do this, But

633
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: then if tomorrow we have college basketball in the same arena,

634
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: we did two halves instead of four quarters. Like it's

635
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: all playing to the rules of that sport in that promotion.

636
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: How is that a hard hurdle get over? The second

637
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: part is what you're saying about the potential of UFC

638
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: luring over them and and you know, almost almost like

639
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: blackmailing them with the pressure of we won't come back here.

640
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: It's not the same shit Vince McMahon used to do

641
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: against rival promoters in late eighties telling the cable companies,

642
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: if you put their pay per views available, we.

643
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Won't won that.

644
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: Who won we won't allot? Okay, but like wouldn't want that.

645
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: That's the whole point, because that's.

646
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: A whole lot back to fuck up Luke, all right,

647
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: because this is serious.

648
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: So you're acting like Colorado's bravery is just pedestrian. Dude,

649
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: they're the only ones who have done that in fifty states.

650
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: They're the only ones who have taken that risk. If anything,

651
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: they put themselves on the leadership there, put themselves on

652
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: the chopping block just for doing.

653
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Okay, but but the reason I get animated and fight

654
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: you back for countering me and saying, oh, well, that's

655
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: just what the UFC is going to do. Can they

656
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: do that to a national commission, Luke? Can they do

657
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: that to a governed body, national commission? I'm not talking

658
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: about can they do that to the Nevada State Athletic

659
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: Commission where Oh, by the way, Lorenzo Fertida used to

660
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: sit on the actual commission there, so that everybody's still

661
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: friends behind the scenes. And why wouldn't the Nevada Commission

662
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: support and lean into UFC and do whatever they want

663
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: because they are based in there and bring so much

664
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: business and promotion and money in there. I'm talking about

665
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: a national commission that in theory could not be just

666
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: bamboozled with a threat or a loaded envelope. Do you

667
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: not trust? Do you not trust that this could be

668
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: possible on the national governing level, Luke?

669
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, are there ways for me to

670
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: imagine that if the federal government really took it up

671
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: and really designed an excellent program that it could do

672
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the things you wanted to do. Yes, of course, of

673
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: course that's in play. I guess I'm just saying, if

674
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: they're going to punt, and they tried to do something

675
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: and it was on the order of what they've done

676
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: with state commissions, which just essentially become little fiefdoms, then no,

677
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: I would not trust it. I mean, we'd be entirely

678
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: a function of how they created it.

679
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: Basically, why would we succumb to a fear like what

680
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: do we Our fear is that if a state does

681
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: the right thing, the UFC won't come back. That's our fear,

682
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: right now, Come on.

683
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: That's a real Why is that a minimal fear to you?

684
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: That's a big one. That's a big one.

685
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: Because if we unify lock arms, obviously something the UFC

686
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: fighter base is not doing to protect their own future.

687
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: If the states unified put arm in arm and said

688
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: we are going to join together to have the same

689
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: rules across the board in a national commission, then the

690
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 2: UFC wouldn't be allowed to do that.

691
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: Luke, that would be again or that version of things. Absolutely,

692
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is if there was a

693
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: national commission that could oversee this process, like to your point,

694
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of like force Nevada or Idaho or Georgia whoever

695
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: to be better to look into this, like kind of

696
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: act as a watch dog on them. Yes, it mean

697
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. It's hard to see how a

698
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: watch dog on the commissions would be bad. I mean

699
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: that that could only be good if that's actually what

700
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: they did. I guess what I'm saying is, I wouldn't

701
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: want to lose. Dude, we haven't figured out the rules

702
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: of MMA, and we haven't figured out a good process

703
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: for changing them. We've got a decent blueprint. I feel

704
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: like we've got something that works, but the one experience

705
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: shows us that there are other ways to do this.

706
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I would still want good, able commissions. In this case,

707
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Colorado would be enable one to be able to experiment.

708
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to lose the ability to experiment with rules.

709
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: I think that something I feel is an important question.

710
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: I have a fear you're going to laugh at it,

711
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: but I think this is important. Why can't the change

712
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: be something that we feel like we need to avoid?

713
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: And what am I referencing the UFC having their own officials.

714
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Obviously nobody kneed jerk wants that because of the potential

715
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: for impropriety and pushing the fighter, that's better for the

716
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: promotion to win through background pressure or bribery and all that.

717
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: But doesn't the NBA and the NFL have their own

718
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: employees that they train, pay, discipline, correct, promote fire all

719
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: of that that are all working under their own rule

720
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: set that obviously that gets these rules get voted on

721
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: by owners and I don't know if they involve the

722
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: players Association, but like there's a commitment to the rule set,

723
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: there's also a commitment after the fact off season to

724
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: saying should we change this for to better our sport,

725
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: to better our TV product? Tell me the reasons against

726
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: the idea of the UFC, which has so much power

727
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: in this sport that it's almost like in you know,

728
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: weird to compare them to any other promoter just having

729
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: their own luke, And like, seriously, here is that the

730
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: fix rather than going state by state to like these

731
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: mom and pop shops, and like we're talking about living

732
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: in active fear that if you change rule and the

733
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: UFC gets pissed off, they won't bring the traveling circus

734
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: to your show anymore like that should not be our

735
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: foundational scare. Talk to me against breaking glass and saying, Okay, UFC,

736
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: you now raise up your own officials. I'm not talking

737
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: about commission members for each state that are over gonna

738
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: that are going to oversee the drug testing and the

739
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: the the medical side of it. That's that's all separate.

740
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the officials. Why is this different

741
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: than the NBA.

742
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: So no one trusts people in the fight game. That's

743
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: where athletic commissions come from. Basically, this is the lesson

744
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: I've had to learn the hard way. A lot of

745
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: the fight game is not built on polite society, and

746
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: and that by the way, now there is American football

747
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: on the grandest terms, but the NFL certainly is much

748
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: more significantly in that way. The commissions came around because

749
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: you had unscrupulous people, in the case, mostly promoters early

750
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: on doing illegal gambling, you know, matching up their guy

751
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: with someone they knew who was going to get their

752
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: ass kicked, and not having money to pay these guys

753
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: and then skipping town. There was a lot of reasons

754
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: why they had to get involved and have the force

755
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: of law to compel them. I think it would be

756
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: a very bad idea. This is true for any promoter

757
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: in any part of the world. I mean I realized that,

758
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: like you know, Pride got away with it in Japan

759
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: in a different era. But I'll just say this, I

760
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: would be very concerned about handing. You've identified a really

761
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: good problem, or I say, a really central problem, which

762
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: is that we don't have a good mechanism for updating

763
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: the rules. If the NFL, to your point, want to

764
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: and they've changed the kickoff rules this for this next

765
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: upcoming year, they're only anticipating thirty percent of kickoffs are

766
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: going to be run back. A lot of them are

767
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: just going to be, you know, drop a knee there

768
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: to start from the next series of downs. Because the

769
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: NFL has the capacity to rule on these things in

770
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: a way without government obstruction. The problem is, I don't

771
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: think anyone in the fight game deserves that kind of trust.

772
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: Quite candidly, I don't think anyone does nobody anywhere.

773
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: I get that, I get that, but I just feel

774
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: like they would allow it would allow them to align

775
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: the values of the scoring system and the decision making

776
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: to the product that they're trying to put out and

777
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: as long as everybody knew all of the rules, as

778
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: long as there was actual like checks and balances in

779
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: terms of who's a good official and who's not. Let's

780
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: let's bring in a new batch, you know, I mean,

781
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: like all of that stuff is that. I don't know.

782
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: I just wonder if that's if that's better at the

783
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: end of the day, because what has the NBA done

784
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: very well? In my opinion, Luke as a casual fan

785
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: now formerly a just a gross hardcore fan, Like they

786
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: have a Twitter account about the referees, right, they come

787
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: out after the fact and say, you know what, we

788
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: got this wrong and here's why, or we got it

789
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: right and even though you think it's wrong and here's why.

790
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Putn't the UFC do that? Oh the wait, you're right.

791
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm asking them to be honest and transparent. Yeah, yeah,

792
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: maybe you're right. Maybe here you know what, look, maybe

793
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: you're right. Maybe you're right, I mean, I.

794
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: Know, honestly, like a serious question, like, yeah, I guess

795
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: maybe you're right. All right, I'm not even I'm not

796
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: even like making an argument about corruption. Again, A lot

797
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: of people want to go to that space and I

798
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: don't because I think that's again nearly defamatory if you

799
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: don't have evidence for something like that. But what I

800
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: will say is this, like, do you trust the Nevada

801
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: Commission because you watch a lot of boxing, you know,

802
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: do you trust them to to how concerned are you

803
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: about their incompetence? And I gotta be honest, my answer

804
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: is like, fairly high. Yeah, I'm fairly concerned about it.

805
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I don't I don't think they're

806
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: there are a clown show, per se. But uh, and

807
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: we can always debate all the times that we feel like, wow,

808
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: I think I just saw corruption and some you know,

809
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: it's not always the case. But on the day to

810
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: day do I trust them in the education and in

811
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: the disciplining and the commitment to always making sure the

812
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: best people are being tried? I know at this point no, Luke.

813
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: But I also think you know that the scoring system

814
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: is flawed. There's so much about this game that's flawed,

815
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: and it's sad because that you could argue that this

816
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: sport has the most risk physically, so you know, and

817
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: not just physically but financially, right, I mean, you know,

818
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: not just the win bonus, but like you know, boxing

819
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: and MMA It's like you are only as good as

820
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: your last fight when you get the wrong end of

821
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: a deal on a close decision that could literally cost

822
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: you millions of dollars? Why are we not more up

823
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: in arms about this to make sure we get it right? Look,

824
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: is there any responsibility on the UFC to push back

825
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: against Vegas? It's like, you know their home is Vegas.

826
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't see them going in the other direction.

827
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't.

828
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: I don't think Taichi Palace is suddenly going to get

829
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: the reward that they're sitting around waiting for right now.

830
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: But do you think there should be more onus on

831
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: UFC to push back against Nevada publicly?

832
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: Well, there's a kind of question about what kind of

833
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: ownership someone should have in terms of business before the commission.

834
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: So here's a great example, right, So, like Dana White,

835
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: I think, has a license as a promoter for the UFC,

836
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: which of course makes sense, but he also has one

837
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: for power Slap, or at least the organization has to

838
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: have one. He has to maintain a good relationship in

839
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: either direction. So it's a little weird when you've got

840
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: multiple entities you're trying to get approved before the Commission

841
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: because if you went super hard on them on the

842
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: MMA side, let's say that's how he really felt, wouldn't

843
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: that imperil your chances? I mean, you know, let's be honest.

844
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: The kind of relationship you have with the Commission plays

845
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: a huge role in whether or not they will agree

846
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: to do something or not. Not the only one, but

847
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: a big one, like should there be a rule that says,

848
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: if you've got business as a licensed person, or one

849
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: of your entities that you're in ownership of has a

850
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: business before the Commission, you can't have yet another one

851
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: that also has business before the Commission, because then you

852
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: have this conflict where you're going to try and just

853
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: stay in the good graces to get as many entities

854
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: as you want regulated. Now, obviously that's more of a

855
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: rule to maintain a relationship that you know is just

856
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: doing the business itself. It's not necessarily bad that one

857
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: thing got promoted or the other. I'm simply pointing out

858
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: when you have these two entities in there, both before

859
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: the commission, you have to maintain a relationship that makes

860
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: that kind of open access possible. Are you gonna get

861
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: full throated angry responses of him banging his fist down

862
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: on the four mica and asking to see the manager

863
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: in a case like that, No, you're not.

864
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: Are you trying to make the case that when Zoofa

865
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: bought UFC all these years ago and Lorenzo resigned from

866
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: the Athletic Commission and then purchased it and got up

867
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: and suddenly MMA got improved approved in Las Vegas, that

868
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 2: there's some there's some glad handing and connection and friendship there.

869
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean you just you couldn't both be

870
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: on the commission and have business before the commission. You

871
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: have to do one or the other. But it just

872
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: sort of goes to show that, Like it's like here

873
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: in DC, like someone was a member of Congress or

874
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: something like that, they finish their term or anything like

875
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: whatever whatever how they end up leaving Congress, they lose,

876
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: and then they just go join a lobbying firm, or

877
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: they go work at Lockheed Martin, or they join a

878
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: top law firm who then does lobbying back on the hill.

879
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just a revolving door of the same kinds

880
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: of people. And so there's a question about like what

881
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: kind of firewalls you want to put in place. See,

882
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: we got to move the conversation along.

883
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: I got another important question on this. If you'd give

884
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: me the time.

885
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: Luke, I really don't want to, but if I don't,

886
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna get mad at me. So I'm gonna give

887
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: it to you, but I'm gonna ask you to please hurry.

888
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'm you know, it's in the sake of great programming.

889
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: Is there an in between answer that we're not talking about?

890
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: And is that answer obviously an increased level of accountabilit

891
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: which we're not getting right now. When there's a controversial

892
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: score or disputed one, what do we get silence and

893
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: we move on? So should there be a petition system

894
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: in which the fighter or even the promotion could appeal

895
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: certain decisions. They could have a hearing in which a

896
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: fight was investigated and re scored, and a future in

897
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: which a decision could be overturned or a controversy could

898
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: be changed to a no contest and we have a rematch.

899
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying either of these proposals are helpful, but

900
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: are they fair? Is there something that's not happening in

901
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: the system that could help alleviate this?

902
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: The only question to me is not whether or not that

903
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: would be a good idea or could you find some

904
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: kind of instrument to make that idea possible? You could,

905
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: But when I think about it, is like, how are

906
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: you going to do that? Because just asking the commission

907
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: nicely ain't going to do it. Yelling about it on

908
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: shows like this is not going to do it. How

909
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: would you do it? There's a tweet from the champion

910
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: Israel as Sonia, like, let's put it up here because

911
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: there's a couple of them. There's only one I want

912
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: to focus on, though, Leave it, leave it there, leave

913
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: it right there, he wrote, Start interviewing the judges after fights,

914
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: hold them accountable for their work. End quote. Okay, thank you.

915
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: So I have an idea. I wonder if this would

916
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: work be seen, and it would only work in very

917
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: limited circumstances, if at all, like a Floyd Mayweather type

918
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: or you know, a Connor McGregor type. Could Connor he

919
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: would have to petition, not just UFC, but he would

920
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: have to petition the commission saying, listen, I want to

921
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: fight that guy. Let's say it's a big fight. I'll

922
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: fight Habib again in THETA. But I got one rule.

923
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: Now.

924
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: I know that they had that weird thing where it

925
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: could be jumped out of the cage. So this wouldn't work.

926
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: But I was saying, two dynamic, enormous personalities. We want

927
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: to bring this fight to your state. We want to

928
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: make sure that you guys have the economic impact. We

929
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: like working with this commission. We just want to be

930
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: here in Nevada. But here's the deal. I want to

931
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: make it so that if I lose by split decision,

932
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: I get to interview one of the judges who voted

933
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: against me. Don't have to make it public, but I

934
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: get to talk to them. I get to talk to

935
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: them about why they ruled it as they did. You

936
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: can monitor it. It can last ten minutes and then that

937
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: could be the end of it. Could they get that approved?

938
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: Could a Floyd Mayweather type get that approved?

939
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: What's the use to it? If you're already establishing that

940
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: only the elite can have access to it, it's not

941
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: going to affect the change of it. So what you

942
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 2: get educated as to why that guy scored it against

943
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: you when no one believes that you lost. If you're

944
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: going to do that, Luke, then let's go the full

945
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: Monty that I bring up every time there's a bad

946
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: scorecard of mandatory. Either they can get interviewed after the fact,

947
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: or a commission representative has to show up at the

948
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: post fight press conference and has to answer questions, provide education,

949
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: as you know, after talking to the official as to

950
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: what happened. Like, I fully understand, and we'll get into

951
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: this with Massoli, but I fully understand why you would

952
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: want to protect them immediately after the fact. But what

953
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: about an hour later, what about a day later, what

954
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: about a week later. Let's not concoct this just for

955
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 2: the super elite, Luke. I mean they already have enough.

956
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: Remember when Floyd got out of using that IV against Man.

957
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: I mean, they've already got enough things that they can

958
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, remember when they moved the whole card for

959
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: John Jones. They already have enough advantages. Luke, You're either

960
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: going to open the doors to communication and transparency fully

961
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: or you're not. And even in that fully, I'm still

962
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: gonna give you the chance to only have one representative

963
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: speak like you would see in you know, the White

964
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: House and the government. You don't have that spokesperson come

965
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: out and address it. Look, we even get that. Last

966
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: time we got that was after Glovekin Canelo one when

967
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: boxing order Michael Montero was, you know, basically a costing

968
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Bob Bennett and kind of clowning him for the for

969
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: what we're arguing here, a lack of anything, lack of empathy,

970
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: a lack of anything beyond Nope. That was you know, like,

971
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: what are we doing? Luke? There's no in between, right,

972
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: you can't be half pregnant. We either want to fix

973
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: this or we don't. The problem here is, guess what,

974
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: nobody wants to fix it because everybody's still getting paid, Luke,

975
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: they don't care.

976
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: With that in mind, BC very quickly and we have

977
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: to move along the significance of the win. What would

978
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: you say? It's kind of a shame because I did

979
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: think Albazi showed himself to be a high quality fighter,

980
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: even if you think he didn't win. He as I

981
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: mentioned before, he doesn't take a lot of damage. I

982
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: think you saw that he's got some pretty good wrestling,

983
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: some pretty good grappling. I think you saw some of

984
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: that as well, and he this was a tough opponent

985
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: which he performed very well against. He's gonna earn a

986
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: probably what a top five position. Car France sitting at three,

987
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Al Bossi sitting at seven. It's good to move into

988
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: the top five. Another band, so just another flyweight top fighter.

989
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: I have to say that this slows KKF, but I

990
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: don't think it kills him, even though I think they

991
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: got it wrong. For al Basi, you nailed it. He

992
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: accomplished what he was set out to do short of winning,

993
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: which is proof to us that that win streak in

994
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: the in the the damage he left behind can can

995
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: escalate to the elite level. He just did it. He's elite.

996
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: He's absolutely a title contender in this division. I don't

997
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: think he gets the next title shot that he is

998
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: petitioning for, but it's possible based on how the cards fall.

999
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: The end between is Brandon roy Vall. What do they

1000
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: do with him after Pantosia gets his shot? But I think,

1001
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: Kay car Frientz, it's gonna be looked at as like

1002
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: almost a soft win, a moral victory, whatever. So I

1003
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: think he'll actually be fine. Even with the back to

1004
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: back losses. Let's not forget that. Yeah, he lost to Moreno,

1005
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: who's the full champion, but he looked good early in

1006
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: that one, so he's gonna grow from it. Everybody will

1007
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: be fine. I don't think you know one person's gonna

1008
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: get damaged financially or opportunistically. But yeah, al Bosi, you

1009
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: know that's why, that's why I want to go too

1010
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: hard in like the negativity of what we learned from

1011
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: this fight on a scoring sense, because what we learned

1012
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: is he he's a great fighter, but you know, he's

1013
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: got the right mentality and it seems like he's got

1014
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: the well rounded game to be a problem Luke because

1015
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: he had to show a lot of his striking due

1016
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: to the stubbornness of kay car Franz's grappling, and I

1017
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: thought it shined in key moments.

1018
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, topic number two, we stayed with

1019
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: the card. But another big winner on this one. How

1020
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: about Jim Miller. Jim Miller, almost forty years old, becomes

1021
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: the first UFC fighter to twenty five wins and BC

1022
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: this is an easy one. He got it in twenty

1023
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: three seconds, open question, getting your twenty fifth octagon win.

1024
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: Granted against some circumstances which we'll talk about in just

1025
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: a minute, but just on that level, just for Jim Miller,

1026
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: what does this say about him? What does this? What

1027
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: does this mean?

1028
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: It means that you know, Jim Miller may have never

1029
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: become a champion, which is true and probably won't be.

1030
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: And we may not have thought about him in any

1031
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: specific categories having super elite skill. But the sum of

1032
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: it all right, the putting the complete game together, mixed

1033
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: with longevity, toughness, stick to itness, a want to learn

1034
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: and evolve and grow. It's like, it's weird. It's different

1035
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: than somebody who's like former champion slam dunk hall of Famer,

1036
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: and I know there's actually a Hall of Fame, a

1037
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: lot of Hall of Fame talk. Dana was even asked

1038
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: about like people are already sort of saying, hey, Jim

1039
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: Miller secured his shot in the Hall of Fame. I'd

1040
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: actually argue that. But separate from that, what did we

1041
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: learn here, Luke that this is what happens when you

1042
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: don't give up and you keep getting better. It's it's

1043
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that he's getting a victory lap at

1044
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: the end of his career where he's setting records and

1045
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: every time he's on the card, we do this dance

1046
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: right here, But I have to say he's overplaying his

1047
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: hand and it's fun as shit to watch. Yes, this

1048
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: was a last minute opponent making his UFC debut. But

1049
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: does anybody expect this out of Jim Miller. No, And

1050
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: there's been a few of these wins in the last

1051
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: three years where it's sort of like, damn, that wasn't

1052
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: just Oh, look at old Jim Miller. He still got it,

1053
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: Like he's coming through with some of the better performances

1054
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: of his career. People age differently, some, you know, some

1055
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: get to three thousand hits. Luky, I'm looking at Craig

1056
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: Bigio without being considered at any point like a legitimate

1057
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: MVP Candida or one of the greatest of all time,

1058
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: but they end up there. I don't like putting compilers

1059
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: in Hall of Fames, and I sometimes a very harsh

1060
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: stance against them. But Jim Miller is maxing out what

1061
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 2: is available to him, and that I tip my cat

1062
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: to hit tip my hat too. He won't go away.

1063
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: He's getting better and against this level of competition in

1064
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: these scenarios, he's still capable of ending it in twenty

1065
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: three seconds in violent and dominant fashion like tip of

1066
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: the Cat. Brother. There's different ways to end up at

1067
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: great and like I said, people are saying matter of

1068
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: factly that he's probably a Hall of Famer. Now, if

1069
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: that's true, Luke, if you agree with that, then he

1070
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: got there in an untraditional way, but he got there

1071
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: by not giving up right, and that there's something to that.

1072
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: You can be great for two three years in MMA,

1073
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: but the injuries inconsistencies can either force you out or

1074
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: force you down to a low level. He just sort

1075
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: of stayed at a pretty damn good level the whole time,

1076
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: and he doesn't look like he's anywhere close to being done.

1077
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: We do need to stop and applaud that. Absolutely. It

1078
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: felt great watching this on Saturday.

1079
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think putting Jim Miller in the

1080
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is not appropriate. I mean, I get

1081
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: that there is a warm sentiment around him, which I

1082
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: totally support and applaud am part of. Frankly, I get

1083
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: that completely, and I think the fans want that to

1084
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: crystallize into something that they can you know, there's what

1085
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: did this end up? Meaning that we have such this

1086
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: strong feeling for Jim Miller and he did some of

1087
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: the interesting things, where do we put that. There should

1088
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: be some kind of place for that. I just don't

1089
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: know if the Hall of Fame is the appropriate one,

1090
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: because I think that should be exclusive for the very

1091
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: highest achievers, and in that sense, I don't think Jim

1092
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: Miller belongs. However, we see, I mean, let's just not

1093
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: talk about what he doesn't have going for Let's talk

1094
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: about what he does. Dude, Jim Miller is a martial artist.

1095
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what he is. He's a martial artist. Yes,

1096
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: he's a fighter, and a very violent one on Saturday.

1097
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: But what do I mean when I say he's a

1098
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: martial artist. This is a guy who, through the entirety

1099
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: of his training experience, has just sought to show up,

1100
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: be a part of the journey, challenge himself, get better,

1101
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: have fun, in this particular case, make a living. But

1102
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: a martial artist has sort of got this quiet, everyday

1103
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: commitment to small habits, small changes, getting better for this

1104
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: accumulated wisdom that happens over time, and a lot of

1105
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: people can't keep that journey up, at least not for

1106
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: very long. But Jim Miller has. You know, for folks

1107
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: who are saying, well, this guy came in on forty

1108
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: eight hours, not as his opponent, and he got knocked

1109
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: out in twenty three seconds, right, I mean, I want

1110
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: to have a conversation about that in just a second.

1111
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: But on the other end, Jim Miller dispatched him like

1112
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: somebody who was at the peak of their UFC powers

1113
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: twenty three seconds just ran over, almost literally ran him over.

1114
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he did the kind of thing that someone

1115
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: at his age and his experience level in terms of

1116
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: all the miles, shouldn't be able to do. But because

1117
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: he has invested in being a lifelong learner about fight

1118
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: sports in every way and about himself and what works

1119
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: and what doesn't, it has enabled him to have a

1120
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: level of success as he's aged where he can make

1121
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: up for some of the physical differences we see with

1122
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: incredible guile, incredible experience, willingness and all of this amazing

1123
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: accumulated wisdom. That commitment to being a martial artist is

1124
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: what has carried him to this moment. Boy, major salute

1125
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: to Jim Miller.

1126
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly Matt Brown's in this conversation at the moment,

1127
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: He's doing great stuff late in his career forty four

1128
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: Was it him who tweeted out Luke during right after

1129
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: this that was like kind of the levels of understanding

1130
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 2: and striking. Not everybody has it, even in an elite

1131
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: mma and it feels like this is some of the

1132
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: things that these guys are taking advantage of the smarts

1133
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: but waiting for that big moment and reacting and making

1134
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: you taking full advantage of your one mistake and making

1135
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: you pay for it dearly. He's got a point there, Luke.

1136
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: There seems to be like, you know, there's a lot

1137
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: of different skills you need to have on your tool

1138
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: belt to be great at MMA, but I feel like

1139
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: the commitment to striking on a pro boxing level just

1140
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: isn't there comparatively to the other skill sets. Is that

1141
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: an ignorant comment?

1142
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: Pro boxing is not where now the commitment.

1143
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: To like true boxing technique in MMA comparative to the

1144
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: other skill disciplines you need. Like, this kid kind of

1145
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: walked into it here. We didn't expect this from Jim Miller,

1146
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: but man, he took advantage. And Matt Brown tweeted something

1147
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: similar to that, sort of like exposing that there are

1148
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: levels to this. Do you feel like that there's some

1149
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: fighters that get to a very elite level that just

1150
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: have you know, remedial striking basic And it's surprising that

1151
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three we're still here.

1152
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've not seen enough of I've not

1153
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: seen enough of Jesse Butler's to make a comment. I mean,

1154
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: obviously it didn't go well for him in this contest,

1155
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: but he's got like twenty pro fights before this. I'm

1156
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: not super familiar with him, so I can't make a broak.

1157
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: It's not a Jesse Butler comment, Luke. It's more of

1158
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: a comment about any young walking in here.

1159
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what I'm saying is, yes, it's been my

1160
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: exper I mean, here's what I would say, Like if

1161
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: you talk to someone like an izzy level they've got,

1162
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: they've got an appreciation of detail that is like almost shocking,

1163
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: Like you just can't believe how good it is. That

1164
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: is not just not the norm. That is very very rare.

1165
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: Matt Brown was saying, you'd be surprised about the lack

1166
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: of overall knowledge that a lot of fighters have, because,

1167
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: in his judgment, they get away with a lot of

1168
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: stuff on athleticism, which is which is I think, in

1169
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: large part pretty true. I mean, there's only twenty four

1170
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: hours in a day. There's only so much you can train.

1171
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: What do you want to work on? That's going to

1172
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: narrow your choices a lot. And then more to the point,

1173
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: how much refinement do you want to put into it?

1174
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 1: What you're seeing with Jim Miller is whatever trade offs

1175
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: he's had athletically, there's just been this incredible level of

1176
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: detail and refinement, and then what that buys you is

1177
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: shocking to people like, oh my god, at thirty nine,

1178
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: he can do these kinds of things. But like you're

1179
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: asking about boxing specifically, yeah, dude, it's a big problem.

1180
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: I would say even the ones who have good boxing

1181
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: still haven't fully figured out how to integrate it yet,

1182
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: because it makes you at least a little bit more

1183
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: hittable in the short run. But in general, I mean,

1184
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: the guy threw I think he threw a left hook,

1185
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: right hand, left hook, right hand. He got countered after

1186
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: the right hand the first time, and then he got

1187
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: caught in between his punches the second. So like, how

1188
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: did Jervonte Davis get Leo Santa Cruz? He threw the

1189
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: same thing three times. Look, if you just if you

1190
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: show patterns to elite guys, they're gonna eat you alive.

1191
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You cannot show patterns to very

1192
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: good people. And Jim Miller saw it right away and

1193
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: took his soul for it. Pretty incredible.

1194
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tweets I was referencing there from Matt Brown,

1195
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: we're just a stream of commentary about how even at

1196
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: the elite level of MMA, there are still practitioners that

1197
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: are leaning too heavily on athleticism, and then you know,

1198
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: once that slows luke, some of them end up the game.

1199
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: That's why I think it's a credit to guys like

1200
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: Matt Brown and Jim Miller and why they are still

1201
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: able to score wins like this against younger, you know, stronger,

1202
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, faster whatever fighters because of that commitment to

1203
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: growth and that education and that wisdom that comes in

1204
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: and they can really expose that one mistake. It's an

1205
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: interesting dynamic to see take shape. And shout out to

1206
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: Jim Miller for giving us another highlight on that reel.

1207
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's flip the equation here a little bit.

1208
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Jim Miller did his job times a billion, like, shouts

1209
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: to him, amazing job. But on the other side, Jesse

1210
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: Butler filled in on two days notice now making his

1211
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: UFC debut against a guy with this much experience, and

1212
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: he gets walloped in twenty three seconds. So then I'll

1213
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: ask the question the other way. BC should this fight

1214
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: have happened? Dude?

1215
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: There the argument against, the argument against right now all

1216
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: of the media crying that UFC matchmaking of late has

1217
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: been sort of like unexplainably soft, is that there are

1218
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: a lot of fights that are falling apart, and that

1219
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: puts a ton of pressure on the matchmakers to put toget,

1220
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: you know, to save cards and save keeping fighters on

1221
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: the card. And I do agree that, you know, maybe

1222
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: we don't applaud that enough and maybe there were key

1223
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: circumstances here where that commitment level allowed this fight card

1224
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: to take place. But Luke, it certainly is coming at

1225
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: a bad time because we are seeing people that are

1226
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, that are not ready for prime time. That

1227
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: I think even goes beyond just oh wow, they looked

1228
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: really good in that one Dana White Contender series knockout

1229
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: when they came in hungry as heck to you know,

1230
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: try to get paid and they and they had their

1231
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: big moment. Yeah, Luke, I don't have an answer or

1232
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: understanding to hear, but no, this fight probably shouldn't have

1233
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: You can take that into the argument of what happened

1234
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: with Jared Gordon here, like, what is going on in

1235
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: this relationship of not just matchmaking and is it soft?

1236
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: But I think in the Jared Corden case, it extends

1237
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: across to commission not understanding of where he was at

1238
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: and you know, should do the matchmakers deserve insults for

1239
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: even booking that fight? There is a bunch there's like

1240
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: this great cloud hanging over How do you sort of

1241
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: explain it right now? Luke? Are you happy that they

1242
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: were able to keep it on the road? And hey,

1243
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: we found another h younger hunk fighter who was in

1244
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: shape and ready and this is his dream, so he's

1245
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: gonna do it. Should it go on? Luke? I mean,

1246
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: the show must go on. I feel like the matchup

1247
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: should have been better to begin with, and maybe we

1248
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't have had to scramble as much. I don't really

1249
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: know how to.

1250
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Be I think there's a few things that went wrong here.

1251
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: First thing I'd say is more than anyone else. I

1252
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: get why Jesse Butler wanted to do it. I get

1253
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: that part totally. I understand his willingness to want to

1254
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: step up. Okay, so I can understand him thinking that

1255
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: would be a good idea. And again, you know, we've

1256
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: seen guys filling on last minute notice in so many

1257
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: different ways and had success or some kind of redeeming

1258
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: aspect to it that made it worth it. So a

1259
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of this is hindsight being twenty twenty. But if

1260
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm his management, I don't know if I'm picking that

1261
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: fight for him. I don't know if that makes the

1262
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: most sense. To be honest with you, I think there's

1263
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: a question about whether his management should have pulled the

1264
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: trigger on that. That's the first thing I'd say. The

1265
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: other part, though, is you go back, like, why was

1266
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Jesse Butler filling in and all because Jim Miller was

1267
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: supposed to fight Jared Gordon. So b see on Friday Show,

1268
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: you asked me, did the UFC and the commission not

1269
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: realized that Jared Gordon had been concussed from the headbutt

1270
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: incident with Bobby Green? And I found that so implausible

1271
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: that I dismissed the possibility on Friday Show. And it

1272
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened. So he basically, for folks, you

1273
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: remember the Bobby Green incident, Jared Gordon bumps his head

1274
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: and he goes out and it's this whole you know,

1275
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: no contest, and Bobby Green's af PSS because he didn't

1276
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: get all of his money right, That was part of

1277
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Bobby Green got a short change there

1278
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. But here's the reality. Nevada

1279
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Speaker 1: not only doesn't release any more person information, they don't

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Speaker 1: even release medical suspensions anymore. That is not even publicly available.

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know who missed it, someone in the

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01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: UFC or the commission side. I guess both sides in

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: this particular case, because if you just look at the

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: timing of which he says he had the concussion and

1285
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: then when he got off for the fight, he would

1286
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: still have been under a thirty day medical suspension if

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Speaker 1: one had been in place. Remember I told you to

1288
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: get those lifted, you have to go and show them

1289
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: medical evidence that makes them lifted early. And we don't

1290
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: know anything about this, like the Commission has retreated from

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01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: a point of public transparency. That just makes all of

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Speaker 1: this very difficult to part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and unfortunately so has UFC. And I know we

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01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: talk about that ad nauseum. But Dana was asked about

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: this after at the press conference on Saturday, and he

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01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: threw Gordon under the bust and basically was like, dude,

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01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: you're not a fucking doctor, you know, and some of

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01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: this from data is right. He's basically saying if if

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Speaker 2: you had been concussed, it'd be been a problem, and

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: you didn't communicate with that. That to us, and then

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: you're running your mouth Wednesday at the media day. It's like, yeah,

1302
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna pull you in a second because that's really bad,

1303
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: you know, headlines. That's really a really bad look for

1304
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: the Commission. But where's the background accountability? I give credit. Look,

1305
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: we clown on the media a lot, who are there

1306
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: every day on the regular, week by week. Somebody did

1307
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: have a follow up raise their hand at the press

1308
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: cars and hold on, Dana, it shouldn't. Shouldn't some of

1309
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: this be on your own matchmakers knowing how that guy's

1310
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: fight just ended and turning this around so quickly. How

1311
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,959
Speaker 2: is it necessarily Jared and Gordon's fault. I could argue

1312
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: maybe it's the Commission's fault for not doing the diligence

1313
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: of due diligence of the medicals, although Dana was again

1314
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: trying to make it seem like Gordon was hiding it.

1315
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: Even if he was hiding it, I would like to

1316
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: see a level of transparency and accountability from the UFC

1317
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: in general of why you were willing to make this

1318
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: fight so fast when a guy just got knocked out?

1319
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: Like what is the onus on Gordon coming back so quickly? Right? Like?

1320
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: Why why was this necessary right now? It's not like again,

1321
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 2: the ill advised Michael Bisping to go to China and

1322
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: headline against Gastolone because they wanted a big star in

1323
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: the main event in the crowd even though he just

1324
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: lost to GSP like three weeks earlier. Why you know,

1325
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: like why for Jared Gordon? We didn't get those answers unfortunately,

1326
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: because Dana took that question and then you know, went

1327
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: back and hammered on Gordon more. But the system seemed

1328
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: to break here to allow this to happen. Luke, who

1329
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: do you think is most that fault? Like who should

1330
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: have been the person? Is it Gordon for hiding it

1331
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: and then run in his mouth and make everybody look bad?

1332
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: I still feel like, why are you making this guy

1333
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: fight right now? Or why are even offering it to him?

1334
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, the reality is you can point the finger in

1335
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: a few different directions. You can point him at his management.

1336
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: Some folks are gonna say Oh, the fighters should know better.

1337
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, the fighters should know better, but they're gonna

1338
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: take because the fighters are going to take insane risks, right,

1339
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: They're going to do that. Like you just have to know, Like,

1340
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: you don't get to be a UFC level fighter and

1341
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: like a good one unless somewhere along the line you

1342
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: took a couple of insane risks that worked out and

1343
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: that informs their judgment. So you have to have someone

1344
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: on their team. I think say that to them. I'm

1345
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna I think that the buck stops with the Commission

1346
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: on this one. You know, Yes, I know a lot

1347
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: of people didn't like the way Dana White handled that

1348
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: at the press conference. I wasn't. I didn't love it either.

1349
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,959
Speaker 1: But the reality is the promoters may make errors, even

1350
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: in good faith, to say nothing of whether or not

1351
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: they're even acting at such. The job of the Commission

1352
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: is to get to the bottom of this. The job

1353
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: of the Commission is to record keep in such a

1354
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: way that this was not even allowed. The job of

1355
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: the Commission is to know better. Fighters are going to

1356
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: conceal injuries. Remember Dila Shaw before the Sterling fight and

1357
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: many other cases. We all know that that's going to happen,

1358
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: but there is a real big question about whether he

1359
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: was on suspension. He should have been on it. No

1360
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: matter what, they didn't do that. We don't know what

1361
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: the records are. It's on them. At the end of

1362
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: the day, the buck stops with them. This is their job.

1363
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: The job of the promoter is not to do stuff

1364
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: like this, but it is to put on fights that

1365
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: people want to pay money to see. The job of

1366
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: the commission is to check that they didn't That's what falls.

1367
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: On Yeah, I mean, look, the fighters are always going

1368
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: to take risks, short term risks, and forget about the

1369
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: long term rewards. In fact, the UFC feasts on that

1370
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: in how they love when there's a company man, a

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: Chris Leeb and a cowboy who's willing to risk it

1372
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: all and come back two weeks later. I just feel

1373
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: like more of it is on them in this case.

1374
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: And damn, why does this show have to be all negative?

1375
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: Luke again, we talk about the fights that were great

1376
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: and these up and coming fighters that are unbelievable.

1377
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: I know, let's do that. Let's do that topic number

1378
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: three BC. We'll stay with the CA but one last one,

1379
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: give me somebody else on that UFC Vegas seventy four card.

1380
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: We talked about Jim Miller doing well and Emil Bosiosi

1381
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: performed well in getting his winning effort. Give me somebody

1382
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: else who stood out on that card for you, Well,

1383
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't have to.

1384
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: Stood out's the right word. But it wasn't much needed

1385
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: win for Tim Elliott. It's a second in a row. Luke,

1386
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: He's coming off that very Jerry Springer esque public ending

1387
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: to his marriage, and you know, he put it out

1388
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: there and he got a lot of support. But it

1389
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: also we know he came in here with some mental turmoil.

1390
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: He did seem to put together a complete performance that

1391
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: was certainly in his land against Alti Marino by constantly

1392
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: going for the takedown. But Luke, the pressure was just constant.

1393
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: You know, he was spamming a lot of his offense

1394
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: while on top to make it look like he was

1395
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: either busier or more effective than he actually was. And

1396
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: I think there is some to criticize back at that

1397
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: in terms of how much, you know, if the fight

1398
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: had been close, you would weigh that against clean punching.

1399
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: But he had, you know, sort of his own fought,

1400
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: like he had his own personal ext to grind to

1401
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: come out and show that he can put a lot

1402
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: of the personal stuff to the side and put on

1403
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: a great performance. And I've always loved tim Ellian, always

1404
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: thought he was one of one of my favorite fighters

1405
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: to watch because of his quirky style, the chances he takes.

1406
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: But you know, a man man, Luca felt good to

1407
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: see him get this victory. And you know, I also

1408
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: like too. During the introductions he was loose and smiling

1409
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: and dancing. It can't be easy, right to operate at

1410
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: this level with a lot of the stuff going on,

1411
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: even if he put it out there publicly. But that

1412
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 2: was a win. And I don't think he's done Luke.

1413
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he's old, he's traded wins and losses a lot,

1414
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: but he can still give anybody a tough fight on

1415
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: any given night. And I think that's why he's one

1416
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: of my favorite TV.

1417
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: Fighters, no doubt about it. I'll go one just below that.

1418
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was nice to see him get a win.

1419
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: How about Kaarini Silva, Holy shit, folks tearing Kaitlyn Susa's

1420
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: knee to pieces with something I was pretty close to,

1421
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: not a full on, but basically it was called a

1422
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: ze lock. Which is something I only learned about a

1423
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. That was nasty, that was super gross.

1424
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: They called it a knee bar. It was not. That

1425
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: was a ze lock, and her knee went from like

1426
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: this to this all of a sudden. She got it

1427
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: in short order, Karine Silva. We knew she was gonna win.

1428
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: We knew there was a big disparity of ability on

1429
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: the ground, but she showed it right away without much issue.

1430
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: I would love to see here get a step up.

1431
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: I love seeing not so much terrible damage inflicted per se,

1432
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: but new submissions entering into the flow of fighting inside

1433
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: the UFC. And I think this is the I don't

1434
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: know if this is the first ze lock in UFC,

1435
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: but it's the first one I can remember. Well done

1436
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: to Karini Silva.

1437
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see if she can have a Mackenza teen

1438
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: like Ron Luke of putting people out with the same

1439
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: move fight after fighter. Right.

1440
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: Also, I thought the fight between Eliza was Aeleski Do

1441
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: Santos and Abba Bakar Number Gamadov was pretty fun, actually

1442
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 1: pretty fun back and forth. I kind of thought Number

1443
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: Maydov had maybe edged it, but good, good, really fun

1444
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: back and forth contest between those two as.

1445
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: Also I enjoyed that. But if we are going to

1446
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 2: talk about both strong individual performances that also were great fights,

1447
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: how can we skip over this comin event that we

1448
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily love on paper? As jumped like this are

1449
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: one of those situations where when you see Alex Casarras

1450
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 2: and Daniel Pineda on paper, yeah, you know it could

1451
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: be an action fight, but maybe we were too caught

1452
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: up in the man this card is not deep and

1453
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: this is our co main event. Well, these guys deserved

1454
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the day that cole main event billing.

1455
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not you know, any fight card could look

1456
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: like shit on paper and then be awesome at the

1457
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: end of the day. Separate from that argument, Luke, these

1458
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: guys had an old school flare that they were willing

1459
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: to fight with and constant swings of a momentum even

1460
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: till the end of the final round when Pineda, who

1461
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 2: was so hurt and so damaged and came back from

1462
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: so much scores a late knockdown and you're like, holy shit,

1463
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 2: this is not even over yet. They deserve that bonus.

1464
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: Dana was going nuts afterwards, rightfully so, because I had

1465
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: that old school feel. The larger headline is obviously Casra's

1466
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: at thirty four putting together a solid wind streak and

1467
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 2: now like, okay, okay, you dude, let's find out exactly

1468
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: what you have because this is the very best of

1469
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: you in this career. But look, this fight was a

1470
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: rollercoaster where it looked like Casarra's was gonna lose his

1471
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 2: arm for a second there Bruce Lee Roy in that

1472
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: arm bar. How tough is Paneda? Like, holy shit, what

1473
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: a fight? Bro?

1474
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, he's a dog both You know what? Both

1475
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: these guys are dogs? What am I even saying? Both

1476
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: of them? In the end. It's hard to know with

1477
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: guys like this, like you know what exactly are the

1478
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: stakes fight over fight? It can sometimes be hard to tell.

1479
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: But in this particular case, we missed it. I'll say

1480
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: that we missed it. This was good matchmaking, Yeah, really

1481
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: good matchmaking. Like they well done putting this one together

1482
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: because it worked out even better than I thought it

1483
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: could to your point. And you know, the funny part too,

1484
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: is both guys are just tough, but they're pretty skilled

1485
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: in different ways too, And like, are they the best

1486
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: fighters in their division? No? But Panana is a very

1487
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: skilled grappler. Casseris is I think very underrated with some

1488
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: of his striking in terms of the changing of his

1489
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: timing and his rhythm and some of the combinations he

1490
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: can put together. Also, he just kind of turned out

1491
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: to be re tough in the end too, like he

1492
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: can he can to that point dog it out. So yeah,

1493
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: we missed that one on Friday. That one was a

1494
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,520
Speaker 1: little bit better than we should have recognized.

1495
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 2: And Good Fight has been around so long that he

1496
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 2: owns a loss to Mike Thomas Brown in the octagon

1497
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 2: like like she and he was on like one of

1498
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: the early early Bellator cards, and he's had a couple

1499
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: of UFC runs like Steve's been around for a minute.

1500
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, dude, Mike Thomas Brown's UFC run was not

1501
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: that great because by the time he got to the

1502
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: UFC the best his best days were behind him. It's

1503
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: w EC Mike Thomas Brown. For folks who'd never checked

1504
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: it out, that they should go, look so uh interesting

1505
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: that this guy's cross section is there. Also, someone on

1506
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,480
Speaker 1: Instagram yesterday was trying to tell me I'm pronouncing Casserous's

1507
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: name wrong. I'm not I mean, well, I should say this.

1508
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm definitely putting gringo into it because my accident is

1509
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: not that great. I I don't begrudge anyone of how

1510
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: they want to pronounce it, but I did one time

1511
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: say Cassarras in front of my wife. She was like,

1512
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: that's not how that that's pronounced. It's Cassas.

1513
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: Okay, But Luke, we have families changed pronunciations. If the

1514
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: UFC announcers are calling him Cassras on the regular, and

1515
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: John Annick hasn't made a public stink about changing it.

1516
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: John Anick didn't call this fight.

1517
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: I get that, but I have not seen like a

1518
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: public change like.

1519
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: John Yeah, a change on jan Jan yez. It was

1520
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: only when I asked him about it that there was

1521
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: an n there. He had just willfully told people not

1522
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: to do that. That happens all the time. Ask Danny,

1523
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: listen to Danny Sigura pronounce it. Ask him if it's

1524
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: cass ask him.

1525
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: Well, listen. I get that. It's the whole Lennox Lewis thing.

1526
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,879
Speaker 2: He waited till after his career to remind us suddenly

1527
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: pronounced Lennox, which is just like, why wouldn't you have

1528
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: said that you want. We're one of the most famous

1529
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: heavyweight champions, you know, the last forty years. The whole

1530
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: point is, Luke, no disrespect to your wife. The family

1531
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: may do it differently, or maybe they don't care enough

1532
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: to raise their hand and tell us, but it doesn't.

1533
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: Think it's I think it's the latter.

1534
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: I think it's that doesn't mean we're wrong, Luke out

1535
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 2: of Sonia.

1536
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not telling I'm not telling you to stop.

1537
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: I didn't say the stop. I'm just I don't like

1538
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: it when people when I have this experience of learning

1539
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: and then I were pronounced in other places and then

1540
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: people coming back to me being like, oh, that's wrong.

1541
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, I know for a fact, it's not

1542
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: like I know for a fact it's not, So don't

1543
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: do that to me. All right, let's go to point

1544
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: number four b C. Now, this is where the whole

1545
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: thing goes. It's just the weirdest direction on the weekend.

1546
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with Sea. I don't even know

1547
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: what to say. I mean, I have a couple of

1548
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: things to say, but this one I just don't even get.

1549
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: At the post fight press conference for UFC Vegas seventy four,

1550
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: Dana White was asked about John Jones and Tyson Fury,

1551
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: and in the course of answering the question, he says

1552
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of different things, some of which you really

1553
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: totally understand. Namely, he says he has a lot of

1554
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: respect for Tyson Fury, me too, b C as well.

1555
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: Sure many of you do as well. Mma fans seem

1556
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: to like Tyson Fury. And that he said, if you

1557
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: want to decide the baddest man on the planet, you

1558
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: could do so here against John Jones. It's a fight

1559
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: they would make, okay, Understanding that a promoter's job is

1560
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: to put on the fights that people want to pay

1561
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 1: money to see. People would want to pay money to

1562
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: see John Jones versus Tyson Fury. So I understand promoting it.

1563
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: So far, so good, BC. But here is where it

1564
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: gets a little strange. Number One, he says, we would

1565
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: figure out a way to pay Tyson because we figured

1566
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: out a way to pay Floyd. Is he implying that

1567
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: the UFC paid Floyd? Because I don't understand that.

1568
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: Also, can we stop rewriting history.

1569
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: I'll pitch to you here, I'll pitch to you it's

1570
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: a two parter. Help me understand that part and then

1571
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: the other part BC is didn't we just like a

1572
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: week or two ago or however long it was when

1573
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: Francis announced he was going to the PFL. Dana was like,

1574
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: we don't make basically like easy matchups for our guys here.

1575
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: We don't do that. That is very clearly what is

1576
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: this would be what is going on with this whole

1577
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: thing here right now and with this fight?

1578
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: It seems pretty obvious to me. And this is where

1579
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 2: I do get mad at the local media there. How

1580
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 2: are the media that shows up the press conference? How

1581
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: do you not raise your hand in counteract? When Dana

1582
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: comes out and says, well, I think there's this big

1583
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: debate about battest man on the planet, there isn't number two.

1584
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear to everybody, without question that

1585
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 2: John Jones is the baddest man on the planet. Even

1586
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: if there was that active debate beyond Tyson and John

1587
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 2: going back and forth which originated on Joe Rogan's comment

1588
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: and hissed Tyson fury off, we get it. Is it

1589
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: really all that clean and clear? There's still that guy

1590
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 2: Francis and Gano. I keep if nobody raised their hand. Go, hey, Dan,

1591
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure, like, are you eliminating

1592
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: in Ghanu from this conversation for any specific reason? Yeah, obviously,

1593
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 2: because that's what this is all about. If it's not

1594
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 2: all about Francis and Ganu, then Data is a constant

1595
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: liar and pedler of misinformation, Luke, because guess what, we

1596
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: don't do fights like that. You mean see him punk, right,

1597
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: you mean James Tony versus Randy Coutur. Of course we

1598
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 2: do that fight, you know. Of course we don't do

1599
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: gimmicks like that, but we do the BMF belt, which

1600
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 2: I love. By the way, the whole point is this,

1601
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 2: This comes off as so petty Dana doesn't care. It's

1602
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: his point. It's what he's doing against Anghanu. This is

1603
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 2: to try to swerve the headlines and bring Tyson Fury

1604
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: off the market. By the way, Tyson Fury should be

1605
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: doing one thing right now. He should be trying to

1606
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: get Alexander Usik into the undisputed heavyweight Championship out and

1607
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,520
Speaker 2: if USA cast to defend against Duba and the mandatory,

1608
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: then chase Anthony Joshua like Fury's been doing, do something here.

1609
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: And if you'll want to do a gimmick doing Ghanu

1610
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: And I think that's at the end of the day,

1611
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: clearly what this is all about. Oh we say we

1612
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: don't do this, Oh no, we do do this, and

1613
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: if you want to settle it, we'll do it right there.

1614
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 2: And the whole comment about Floyd is also laughable. The

1615
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: UFC was a co promoter to Mayweather versus McGregor. In fact,

1616
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: they decided to play ball and not keep Connor away.

1617
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,839
Speaker 2: Why because a stupid amount of money reportedly forty million

1618
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: coming their way for allowing that. So, No, they didn't

1619
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 2: drum up money to pay Floyd. The market paid Floyd. Yes,

1620
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: Floyd had a ridiculously large guarantee, but he was two

1621
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: years removed from not just setting the pay per view

1622
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: records with the Pachio fight, like demolishing them. They knew

1623
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: what they had in Mayweather MacGregor. They knew it it

1624
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: would reach certain in levels. Dana was not on the

1625
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: phone raising money with investors to find three hundred million

1626
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 2: for Floyd. I mean, come on, you're a co promoter

1627
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: in here who came out at the press conferences and

1628
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: announced Connor's name in a big exaggerated pro wrestling way.

1629
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: That's the extent in this regard. But Luke, this whole

1630
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: song and dance suddenly about oh oh tesshon feur. If

1631
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: you want to prove it, then come to the octagon.

1632
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: It's only about trying one more time to keep in

1633
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 2: Ganhu out of the headlines. And even further say, I

1634
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: know that this is the real money fight that you're

1635
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: chasing right now before you go back to MMA and

1636
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 2: the PFL. Of course it's Tyson Fury. If you look

1637
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 2: at the way things are playing out, Luke, it really

1638
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 2: looks like Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder could be headed

1639
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: toward a December showdown. Yes, there's still conversations about a

1640
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 2: stupid amount of money that would make a double header

1641
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 2: in the Middle East that would also involve Fury and Usik.

1642
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: Do we think that's gonna happen?

1643
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: No?

1644
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: Probably not. But if you're in Ghanu, what is the biggest,

1645
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 2: most likely fight that you're probably chasing behind the scenes

1646
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: right now? Fury, Right, he's the one who's distanced himself

1647
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: from Usik. He's the one who says different things every

1648
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: other day out of the corner of his mouth. Look

1649
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: if it's not Dana being petty as shit and trying

1650
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: to make a big swerve and f up his plans.

1651
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 2: Why because of the spite for Francis. No, because of

1652
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: the fear of what Francis succeeding can do to the

1653
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: future of their business model. Then what is it If

1654
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: it's not that, Luke, answer me that, please, Yeah it is.

1655
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: It's not anything else. But I do want to back

1656
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: up and just clarify very quickly, Like who actually did

1657
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: pay Floyd? Was it a combination of Showtime, pay per

1658
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: view and PBC, Like because that was technically his promoter,

1659
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: I guess he was also sort of self promoting in

1660
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: a way, so like, yeah, the money came from there.

1661
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: The promoters signed the fighters with the network and provide

1662
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: the guarantee. The network pays into that too. They pay like,

1663
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, a fee to be it's all they pull

1664
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: that money together. This was a boxing match, not right,

1665
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: This wasn't a like this was a cold promotion almost

1666
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: in name only. Like we saw UFC's role in this,

1667
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: right did they promote on their channels? Yes, they did

1668
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: a job. They helped make it this thing, but they

1669
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: were not you know, the ones behind the scenes. Like,

1670
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: in this regard as like the back one, the people

1671
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 2: who took the risk where Al Hayman and show Time

1672
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: pay per view. But again, there's no risk in this case.

1673
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 2: They knew what they were getting and most of the

1674
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: money was paid on the back end anyway.

1675
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: Fair enough, So I get that. When he said that,

1676
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: I was like, are they implying that the UFC figured

1677
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: out how to make this deal happen on the Mayweather side?

1678
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: Is that what they're saying, because that doesn't make any

1679
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: sense that it's just not true right as just a

1680
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: matter of factly not what happened to I.

1681
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: Love to be wrong, but show me, show me why

1682
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm wrong here, Like, no, that's not what happened, Luke, Okay,

1683
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 2: that's that's you know, that's also happening.

1684
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: Here was the other part that was weird to me.

1685
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: It's like, we can we figured out how to get

1686
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: Floyd paid, We'll figure out how to get Tyson paid.

1687
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, first of all, that's not really true.

1688
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: But more to the point, let's say it was true

1689
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: that they could figure out way to get Tyson paid,

1690
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: so you can pay Tyson Fury level purses. Now, that's

1691
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: the thing we can do. I didn't know what you

1692
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: can do that.

1693
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: It just comes down to, like, like the thing about

1694
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: Dana is even with you know, putting putting me in

1695
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: that video and dunking on me, Like I don't hate Dana,

1696
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: do I love Dana. Dana's brought so much joy in

1697
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: in in catch, championing this brand. I you know, used

1698
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,799
Speaker 2: to see him once a year when he come to ESPN,

1699
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 2: Always had great chats with him. Dude, just be honest,

1700
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 2: Just be fucking honest with us. We don't actually hate you.

1701
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 2: At the end of the day. It's just comically ridiculous

1702
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: the the evil like b movie villain, he's become as

1703
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: a public figure, That's what it is, like that at

1704
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: the end of the it's comical how much there's just

1705
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: flip flopping and lying and deceiving. Just be honest and

1706
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: up front, like what what's the problem here? Like you

1707
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean, If if and Gone was never

1708
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: gonna fight again in the UFC and that's your stance,

1709
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: then leave him alone, leave him the hell alone and

1710
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 2: let him go figure it out. Now suddenly we care

1711
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 2: about Tyson Fay. There's no debate about the baddest man

1712
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: on the planet. There's not actually a debate, Luke, Okay,

1713
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: the only debate is John versus Francis. If you really

1714
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: want to have that debate, that's the real debate of

1715
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 2: who's the baddest man on the plant.

1716
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: And they could co promote. They could do it. That's

1717
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: the thing they could do if they wanted to. Oh no,

1718
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 1: we don't do.

1719
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 2: We don't do stuff like that, except for when you

1720
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: did it with Al Hayman for the boxing match, and

1721
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 2: except for when you sent Chuck lidelo Japan, you know

1722
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: what I mean, And except for when you sat down

1723
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: with Fador and tried to make it work with him

1724
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 2: in M one and Vadim Vedami. You're except for those times, Luke, you.

1725
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, all right, let's go to topic number five.

1726
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: We stayed with Ana of White, but this time we're

1727
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: not gonna have any sort of inspection about his comments

1728
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: for him about him, I should say. He was asked

1729
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: about Connor McGregor BC again at the UFC Vegas seventy

1730
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: four post fight press conference, and during the course of

1731
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: this he was asked, you know, like, what is the

1732
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: future of this fight with Chandler and what's going to happen,

1733
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 1: and his answer was really interesting. He basically had said, look,

1734
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: we got Connor back here. He felt it good to

1735
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: be back in Las Vegas, to be training with the guys.

1736
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: It got his competitive juices flowing again. But the reality is,

1737
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: he said, people don't understand how rich he is and

1738
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: when he are that rich, He said, la kabebe, you

1739
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: just have different priorities in life. He didn't even answer

1740
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: the question about what's going to happen with Chandler and

1741
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: even if that fight is happening at all, BC. So

1742
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, based on these comments, it sounds

1743
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: to me like there is very much no guarantee at

1744
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: all that a fight with Michael Chandler is imminent, much

1745
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: less guaranteed to happen.

1746
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: That that's aggressive. I could understand your stance on that.

1747
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: I think if anything, it shows you that they're having

1748
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: trouble behind the scenes coming to a deal. So what

1749
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: happens when we have trouble behind the scenes coming to

1750
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: a deal? Dana goes public and concox a narrative, right,

1751
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 2: like what's going on with stepe A and John? Is

1752
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: that more why we're having this Tyson Fury conversation? I

1753
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: don't know. You have to ask yourself that why are

1754
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: we suddenly talking about well, you know, Connor, you know,

1755
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 2: waking up in silk pajamas, that whole, that whole you

1756
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: know vibe because it appears and this is I think

1757
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 2: what happens when you roll out a big thing, which

1758
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 2: is the tough season with McGregor back, which is awesome,

1759
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm such a proponent of it. I'm

1760
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: actually gonna watch every episode. And yet you didn't sign

1761
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: a deal. So now we have to go publicly and

1762
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: change the narrative and change what's actually probably happening. What

1763
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: is probably happening is that Connor is negotiating aggressively for

1764
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 2: a very large payday that they are pushing back up

1765
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: against and here we are. Is it possible, though, that

1766
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: your lack of optimism and this could end up paying

1767
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: off down that road. Yeah, very much possible. And it's

1768
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: not that there's not truth to what Dana is saying.

1769
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I think something's off

1770
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 2: about Connor, and we talked about that on Friday, and

1771
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll ever get back. He's just

1772
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: this wild card right now. But he signed up and

1773
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: did this reality show and apparently loved the first episode. Yeah,

1774
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 2: he wants to fight, and he wants to fight Michael

1775
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 2: Chandler here, unless there's some fight that he's really angling

1776
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 2: for behind the scenes that we don't know about. Luke

1777
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: and Dana said, there's a lot behind the scenes that

1778
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 2: we don't know about. Yeah, I understand that we're not there,

1779
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: but you're also not dealing in true When you come publicly,

1780
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 2: you are dealing in leverage, and that changes the truth

1781
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: because you're trying to take away leverage from people. I

1782
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: think this is what this comes down to. What will

1783
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: lead to Luke, Well, what about the Usada elephant that's

1784
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 2: also in this room. I don't have closure on that either,

1785
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: So maybe that does partner together Luke to make the

1786
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: idea that maybe this fight doesn't happen possible. But I

1787
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: still think it is the right fight for McGregor, where

1788
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: what's the biggest name you can fight that brings a

1789
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: lot of danger, but still style wise, gives you the

1790
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 2: best chance to like remind people who you are and

1791
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: elevate to something even bigger. This is still that I

1792
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: think they make the fight. They just got to figure

1793
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: out that money shit behind the scenes. I just wanted

1794
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 2: to stay behind the scenes. Luke, I'm okay to question

1795
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: publicly why you didn't sign this fight before you rolled

1796
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: out the reality season. I think we all should question that.

1797
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: But in terms of these details, keep it behind the

1798
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: scenes and get the deal done. All right, No more

1799
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 2: Finke narratives.

1800
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: Let me read you this though. This is Dana White

1801
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: speaking quote. These guys got s loads of money, and

1802
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: it's hard to reel these guys back in and get

1803
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,919
Speaker 1: them fired up to get in and fight. He continued.

1804
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: This is the part that was interesting to MEBC. We

1805
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: have a massive roster of people that want to come

1806
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: in and people that are ready to fight, and people

1807
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: that want to be Connor McGregor. And at that level.

1808
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: For the last twenty years, everybody said, OMG, what are

1809
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: you guys gonna do when Ladell retires? But gsp Silva

1810
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: this and that. This is a professional sport. People come

1811
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: in here, they achieve great things, and they retire. You

1812
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: can never worry about that type of stuff. It is

1813
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: what it is. Part of the game, part of my

1814
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 1: job and my job team to find new talent and

1815
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: build them and take them to that level. In general,

1816
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: he's basically right, BC, but saying that as the answer

1817
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 1: to your question about when this bud's gonna happen is

1818
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: a little disconcerting.

1819
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: No.

1820
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dis concerning again that they didn't sign up

1821
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 2: before the reality show. It's extra disconcerning that this man

1822
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 2: has not signed up for the six month you saw

1823
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: the thing, and there's no update on that, even though

1824
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 2: he was jacked as shit with the tightest suit possible

1825
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 2: in the first episode of Tough. Because he's coming off

1826
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: a movie set in which he probably juiced up to

1827
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: play a larger role, so we all understand what's going

1828
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: going on here, but to always lean back on it's

1829
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: like this bingo card of like, oh, how do I

1830
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 2: respond to that? Oh? Uh, they thought we were going

1831
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: to die after Ladell. It's not what we're asking here.

1832
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: We're asking for being straight up about it and telling

1833
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: us the truth here, Luke. That's that's really what we're

1834
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: asking to try to figure out what McGregor's deal is.

1835
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: I actually feel like on this one, I mean, I

1836
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: don't know what Dana is saying to what extent it

1837
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: reflects reality, but I have a feeling that there's not

1838
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: much he can say, without any kind of firm commitment

1839
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: from Connor. And so this issue doesn't really make it

1840
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: about Dana specifically, more about just what Connor is going

1841
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: to do, what he wants to do, and when the

1842
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: hell he's going to do. And I've said this before.

1843
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: We're already in June BC. It's June fifth, like two

1844
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: ninety one is at granted, the end of next month,

1845
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: but next month, right if you get Dustin Poirier or

1846
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: even getch You whoever, whoever comes out of that BMF fight,

1847
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: if they you know, they get some huge applause for

1848
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: it and a big bump and activity and notice and

1849
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: their Q rating so to speak, Connor can just change

1850
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: like what he is aiming for at that point and

1851
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: nothing's here to stop them. So, like, I still think

1852
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: Connor will fight, I just don't know when, Like the

1853
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: every day that passes against Chandler, I'm like, good, I.

1854
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 2: Mean it would feel like a I mean, do you

1855
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 2: okay is what you're saying. I want to get to

1856
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 2: the core of what you're really saying. Are you really

1857
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 2: saying that the UFC doesn't care if they end up

1858
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: making this fight or not? And kind of never did.

1859
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 2: They just wanted Connor back to bring in ratings for

1860
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: this show.

1861
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: I think what they probably thought was that they could

1862
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: put this show. It was easier to make him do

1863
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: the show than it was to make him do the

1864
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: show and the fight, So they just made what was easier.

1865
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: And I think they probably thought, once this gets going,

1866
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: we can use this as a launch point to really

1867
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: get the negotiations hammered through. And maybe what it sounds

1868
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: like is they've encountered a little bit of friction in

1869
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 1: doing that along the way that they didn't anticipate.

1870
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 2: And do you think there's any real Is there any

1871
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 2: chance Stana's bringing up this Tyson Fury stuff in the

1872
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 2: same realm as a pushback against Steepe saying if you

1873
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 2: cling too hard with the number that you're fighting for

1874
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: during the negotiation, we can and will take this in

1875
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 2: other directions. He's not going to bring up Pavlovich or

1876
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 2: Jouts and Almida because there's no onus for John to

1877
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: go out of his way to sign that deal. There

1878
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 2: might be in theory for Fury. I mean, it's again,

1879
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: it's just it's a constant sort. Could you just read

1880
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 2: quickly the first sentence of that data quote that you

1881
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: just read.

1882
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: The last one I read. Yeah, So the first part

1883
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: was these guys have s loads of money and it's

1884
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: hard to reel these guys back in and get them

1885
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: fired up to get in and fight.

1886
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't that sound like a certain promoter he's fired up

1887
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: to promote slab fighting. I'd like to see him get

1888
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: fired up again meeting Dana despite the amounts of money

1889
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 2: he's won. I'd like to see him get fired up again,

1890
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 2: creating those next connors of all those hungry people that

1891
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 2: are in line. Because it feels like we have a

1892
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: factory system of the Dana Wee Contender series that's simply

1893
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 2: meant to fill out the undercards of low paying fighters.

1894
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 2: That's what it feels.

1895
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: Listen, just pay him Tyson Fury money. They can figure

1896
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: that out, right, figure this all.

1897
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 2: Health insurance, Luke, give them the whole thing, all right.

1898
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: All right, With that in mind, BC, that's our top five.

1899
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next segment. This is where

1900
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: you guys get to ask us questions and we answer them.

1901
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: It's called DMS from the Diggity Dogs. Let's get it

1902
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: all right, BC. We will go to you first from

1903
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: basically an account called heybro quit scrolling through. No quit

1904
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: scrolling though. That's what it says here. Though, do you

1905
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: think the BMF belt would have been excuse me, would

1906
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: have a more positive feeling if the fight itself had

1907
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: a different type of rule set, such as perhaps longer

1908
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: rounds ooh or old school Pride style rules. I gotta

1909
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: tell you, I love that idea. What do you think, BC, Well,

1910
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 1: I've seen.

1911
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: People take it even further and essentially create a like

1912
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: modified striking only you know what I mean, like like

1913
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 2: no no wrestling or submissions, you know, as like this

1914
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: is just a purity of brawling, right, this is just

1915
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: like all action. No. I don't think it needs any

1916
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,919
Speaker 2: of that. I am willing to extend the pro wrestling

1917
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 2: window large enough to welcome this into actual UFC fighting.

1918
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 2: I think it's the greatest game. I think it's such

1919
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: a fun gimmick. They haven't handled it right. They did

1920
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 2: it once really well. I mean we I I'm still

1921
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: shocked we ever had this, We ever had Dwayne Johnson

1922
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 2: putting the belt in Madison Square Gardener on somebody's waist

1923
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 2: while we all sat in the arena for Canelo kove

1924
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,839
Speaker 2: Lev watching it on the big speed, Like, I'm shocked

1925
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 2: any of that took place, but it's back. It's a

1926
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: great gimmick. I don't think you need anything else in

1927
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,799
Speaker 2: terms of change of rules. I mean maybe the Pride

1928
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 2: rules as a fun thing, but that would also that

1929
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 2: would open up a bag of worms that commission wise,

1930
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 2: let's just keep it closed.

1931
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean about the commissions, Like some

1932
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: of this stuff. If you just it's not you can't

1933
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: even think creatively like this because getting some of these

1934
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: rules approved would be really difficult. I would say if

1935
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: there was some kind of way, you know, to make

1936
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: it just a ten minute first round, I gotta tell you,

1937
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: due those ten minute first rounds, I hate though. I

1938
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: hate this overuse of it because you also see it

1939
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: on Instagram and shit, but it's like it hits different.

1940
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: That ten minute round was a bear to get through.

1941
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: I would I'd be kind of curious to see that

1942
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: one brought back. But okay, BC From Dylan to GANI

1943
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: thoughts on there being a UFC card every week for

1944
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the next four months, which fight slash fighters are you

1945
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: most excited to see over this time period? What do

1946
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: you think we see?

1947
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fights are easy it's the BMF fight,

1948
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: it's the rematch of Gatschee in Poorier, and it's also

1949
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: the featherweight title unification that's headlining July eighth, of Volkanovski

1950
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 2: versus Yai Eir. They're getting me fired up. It's like, Luke,

1951
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: would you rather have a fight card every week for

1952
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 2: the next four months or would you rather have a

1953
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,839
Speaker 2: fight card every other week that was better and loaded.

1954
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 2: I think that's actually a legitimate debate because you have

1955
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 2: brought up a few times the thing of like, not

1956
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 2: everybody is here to hear these complaints. They just want

1957
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: MMA on their screen, and they trust the UFC brand

1958
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 2: every Saturday. They have gotten us conditioned to the point

1959
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 2: that when they don't go live Yes to support mcmaynard's

1960
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: snarky tweet, we are missing it, but I want to

1961
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 2: miss it for the right reasons. I'm happy they're back.

1962
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: Let's do it, but can we get out of the

1963
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 2: apex and can we put on better fight cards? Thank?

1964
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think getting out of the apex is pretty

1965
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: critical for a lot of reasons. The other thing I

1966
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: would say is, you know what I would they would

1967
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 1: They would never do this. But one thing I wouldn't

1968
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 1: mind is if they had like the UFC branded shows

1969
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: and then you know, some other name for like a

1970
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 1: tier down almost like you know how for example in

1971
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 1: English football or even you know, over Europe they have

1972
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 1: like if you don't make it into the certain amount,

1973
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: into the top of the of the table, you can

1974
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 1: be relegated if you're at the bottom, and then you

1975
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: have to play in the second division. Not that I

1976
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: would want relegation rules per se, but that there would

1977
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: be a clear second division that you kind of knew

1978
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: was you know, this is a little bit more of

1979
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: our up and coming guys. You know, they used to

1980
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: have that they used to have when there was when

1981
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,759
Speaker 1: when Showtime was watching with the Strike Force they had

1982
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: they had what was it Strikeforce Challengers cars. Yeah, that

1983
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: would go on there. I actually kind of like the

1984
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: breaking up of the two different brands in that way,

1985
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: there's not so much the shows, it's how they're arranged.

1986
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 2: You could argue in the larger weight classes that the

1987
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: w EC at some points represented that that's almost like

1988
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 2: a feeder. Obviously eventually they'd focused on just having the

1989
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: elite and the smaller way classes. But yeah, I mean

1990
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 2: I think you could and I've said this before, I

1991
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: think you could actually span the Danner White Contender series

1992
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: and have it a mixture of day one hungry guys

1993
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: coming in and guys that are on the way out

1994
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: but don't necessarily need a full full you know, don't

1995
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: necessarily need to be cut. That could either use that

1996
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 2: as a minor league refresh to then get you know,

1997
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 2: relegated back up to the big leagues, or can just

1998
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: provide the veteran tough out for those young guys coming up,

1999
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 2: so we actually could get a better feel of who

2000
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 2: might be ready for prime time rather than seeing two

2001
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 2: young guys come in there and bounce off of each

2002
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 2: other and whoever's left standing gets the win. You know,

2003
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: it's interesting they could do that, Luke. And then but

2004
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, there are a few positive changes

2005
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 2: I think they can do. One thing also, I think

2006
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 2: is identifying the four majors and changing the canvas color

2007
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 2: not the yellow from UFC two hundred, although I appreciate

2008
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: that experiment, but like making it know that when you

2009
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: turn on the broadcast, like, oh, that's a major, that's

2010
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 2: a big time one. I'd like to see some things

2011
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: like that so that everything doesn't just look alike across

2012
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 2: the board, because that's when it loses its character and

2013
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 2: flavor and it can become boring and doldrum.

2014
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: I like that, by the way, to answer the question,

2015
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: like what I'm looking forward to, Arminsar Yukian's gotta fight

2016
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 1: coming up in a couple of weeks, I think obviously, dude,

2017
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: Ilio Taporia versus Josh Emmett is just for me appointment viewing,

2018
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean one hundred appointment viewing for that one. By

2019
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: the way, the return of Tom Aspinall against Marching Tabora

2020
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: later in July, I believe is gonna be a big

2021
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: one as well. So there's a few fights that they're

2022
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: coming up that I've the one, the big one for

2023
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: me certainly. Also, like how could I leave out Bolkanovski

2024
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: and Rodriguez That's gonna be amazing. But for me, to

2025
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Poria Taporia is the one I've got my eye on.

2026
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how he handles the task

2027
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: of Josh Emmett. All right, BC, let's see here question

2028
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: number three from really cool, really too cool six some

2029
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: the bullshit name. Recently, we have heard many fighters say

2030
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: they have received new deals with quote up in pay

2031
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 1: end quote. This is the UFC simply migrating fighters over

2032
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: to the new contract structure. No, all of these contracts

2033
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: are built in a way where if you keep winning,

2034
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: they get more through the contract, and then when if

2035
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: you did well enough in that contract, when you go

2036
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: to your next one, there's an automatic bump and pay.

2037
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 1: It is not necessarily significant, although in certain circumstances it

2038
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: could be really as contract dependent. But they have a

2039
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: basically internalized system, the UFC in order to in accordance

2040
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: with their costs, and they're how much they pay for

2041
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 1: the fighters. They know what that's going to be roughly,

2042
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: and then what it looks like at every stage of

2043
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: your career, whether you signed a Contender Series contract or

2044
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter contract or however they acquired you. There's there's

2045
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: these set tiers, these these growth plateaus that they know

2046
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: and they kind of fit you into that system more

2047
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: or less. Is kind of how it works.

2048
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 2: But the spirit of the question seemed to be that

2049
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 2: they're asking this, are fighters getting paid more when they

2050
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 2: re sign right now? But as a way to sort

2051
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: of like accept the back end of it, which is

2052
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 2: how much the contracts have tightened up in terms of

2053
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 2: UFC control post in Ganu exiting on the sunset clause.

2054
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: So I've not heard that they have just handed out

2055
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: widespread bumps in pay. I think this is the thing

2056
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: that they're slowly rolling out, perhaps a little bit more

2057
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: aggressively of late. And to your point, the contracts that

2058
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: on the back end, hey, you can't participate in a

2059
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: in a lawsuit against us, you know, on any kind

2060
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 1: of anti trust violation stuff like that, and then of

2061
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: course creating longer sunset clauses. There might be something to that,

2062
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: but I've not heard about anything widespread. It could just

2063
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: be anecdotal, but I do think.

2064
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 2: There will be a short term bump in the in

2065
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 2: the reaction to how the Agano thing played out.

2066
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you four too, Like, dude, the UFC, like,

2067
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: don't they're gonna look at Almadas contract. They're gonna look

2068
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 1: at aspenall type, or they're gonna look at anybody Pavlovich's contract,

2069
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: and they're gonna look at Okay, how long do we

2070
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:55,879
Speaker 1: have them before we have to worry about them potentially

2071
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: being able to leave? And what kind of bump and

2072
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: pay could we give them that in the grand scheme

2073
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: of thing would be quite modest. Make a big deal

2074
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 1: for let's say Jelton Almeta to not want to walk

2075
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: and now that's one more opponent that and Gon who

2076
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: can't have that is very possible, very very possible. Those

2077
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 1: guys could get a pay pump. But it just goes

2078
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 1: to show when talent moves across and there's a little

2079
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,879
Speaker 1: bit of competition, people benefit.

2080
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 2: Do you think like ESPN outside the lines could come

2081
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: out with a critical piece asking critical questions about some

2082
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 2: of these elements.

2083
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 1: No, don't.

2084
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 2: But don't they do that about the NFL, which they

2085
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 2: are also a partner.

2086
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: It's different. People care about malfeasons in the NFL in

2087
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: a way they don't care about malfeasons in the side

2088
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: of the game. Okay, No, I don't believe.

2089
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 2: It'd be a big win for Rumble Sports if ESPN did, though,

2090
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 2: it have to be right, could have to be huge.

2091
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,839
Speaker 1: BC. This is one I know that's got you really animated.

2092
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give this on. I'm gonna read the

2093
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: question and you just take it away. BC. I think

2094
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: we have video too, sure from underscorees the terian He asks,

2095
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: or she asked, potentially, what do you think of Missouli's

2096
01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 1: terrible response to Aaron Bronstatter regarding why judge are not

2097
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: made available for interviews post event. Mike Mazooli, by the way,

2098
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: is the head of the Association of Boxing Commissions. He

2099
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: was asked this question. Here's what he said.

2100
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 4: Would there ever be a situation where it would be

2101
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 4: considered to have someone from the commission come out at

2102
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 4: the end of the night after talking to some of

2103
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 4: the judges and referees and kind of relaying why certain

2104
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 4: things had happened, or perhaps maybe having a public hearing

2105
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 4: a couple of days after the event that people can

2106
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 4: zoom into or whatever, where a lot of the things

2107
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 4: are kind of explained after some time has passed since

2108
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 4: it's taken place, in order to be able to do

2109
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 4: it in a way that is a little bit less emotional,

2110
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 4: and that way people can maybe hear out the officials

2111
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 4: and hear their methodology.

2112
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting, I would say, you know that something

2113
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 5: we can discuss. But I would ask you this question.

2114
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 5: Have you ever reached out to official and said good job?

2115
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard a commentator say, hey, that judge

2116
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 5: did a really good job tonight. Hey, It's always it's

2117
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 5: always been controversial. It's never like, you know what, Brian

2118
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Speaker 5: Minor did a good job with that score. That was

2119
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 5: a tough round. Or by the way, Mike Mizzoli, the commissioner,

2120
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 5: he handled that situation very well. That it never happens

2121
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 5: that way. It's always negative, negative, negative, negative. I'm a

2122
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 5: Monday more than that quarterback.

2123
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:17,759
Speaker 2: He was wrong.

2124
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 5: I was right because I sat in here and I

2125
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 5: watched it five times after the event went live and

2126
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 5: after the score was done. I would love I would

2127
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 5: love commentators say, hey, listen, can I interview Ben Cartlidge

2128
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,759
Speaker 5: from London and from England and talk to him about

2129
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 5: how great of a job he did. That never happens.

2130
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 5: It's always the negative, and the negative hurts the sport.

2131
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 5: And I can tell you that's why I don't I

2132
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 5: protect my officials because I've never had one person call

2133
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 5: me up and asked her to get interview someone me

2134
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 5: because he did a really good job. You know, you

2135
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 5: look at you look at Brian Minor. Has he any

2136
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 5: has he had any controversies in the last twelve months?

2137
01:38:59,160 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: Nope?

2138
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 5: Anyone even asked to speak with them.

2139
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: Nope. Okay, we see your reaction.

2140
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 2: So Aaron Broslers shared an extended four minute clip of

2141
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 2: his interview with Mike Missouli there the head of the

2142
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:20,759
Speaker 2: Mohigan Commission. And it's not that I don't understand Missouli's stance,

2143
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 2: but this response response comes off as comical because the

2144
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 2: snarky way to receive this response, if you're a media

2145
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: member is if we would all be less critical, which

2146
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 2: is our job to be critical, and if we would

2147
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: all be nicer, what do we win? What do we receive?

2148
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: Mike better judging, It doesn't seem like we are will

2149
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 2: receive the thing we actually want, which is transparency, communication

2150
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 2: and competence. So is he right that we don't go

2151
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 2: publicizing the names of the judges who got it right? Yes, A,

2152
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 2: that's not our job to that's yours of the ones

2153
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 2: you over se se and B it's not our fault

2154
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 2: that that's a thankless job on paper. So is a

2155
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 2: NFL kicker or punter. We only know their names when

2156
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: they screw up a baseball umpire. How about the guy

2157
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 2: that cleans the restroom at your office. No one's leaving

2158
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 2: out and thank you know for that guy. It's a

2159
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 2: thankless job where competence and execution is expected in which

2160
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: we only know these people's names. When we have an

2161
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 2: issue we identify in the terms of these jobs. That's

2162
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 2: not our issue, but our issue at me with media

2163
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 2: is asking tough questions and trying to find the basis

2164
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 2: and the roots of truth that why things are the

2165
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 2: way they are and can they be changed and improved.

2166
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 2: I don't know why the media has suddenly become the

2167
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 2: protectors and watchdogs of athletes rights, but if you can't

2168
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 2: sit there and understand why it's important that officials get

2169
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 2: things right in combat sports, the pay structures, how much

2170
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: goes to the winner compared to the loser, how much

2171
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 2: leverage they lose, the damage that they take only to

2172
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 2: then lose a fight where it doesn't make sense. And oh,

2173
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 2: by the way, there's no understanding or explanation why your

2174
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 2: response in twenty twenty three is that the media isn't

2175
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:18,639
Speaker 2: polite or kind enough. Wow, Mike. I like Mike Massoli,

2176
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 2: by the way. I've known him a long time, seeing

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01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 2: him at a million fights at the Muhegan Sun. I

2178
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 2: got a lot of respect for him, seeing him in

2179
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 2: a lot of big circumstances, and think he's a very

2180
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 2: smart guy, But this is a tone deaf response that

2181
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 2: Dodge is the actual point of which is Aaron Brons said,

2182
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 2: are taking the things that we talk about a lot

2183
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 2: on here in which Aaron asked him earlier, which we

2184
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,879
Speaker 2: didn't show that video of where we asked Mike why

2185
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 2: don't they talk after a fight either in the ring

2186
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 2: at the press cont difference, and Mike said, look, I

2187
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: want to protect my officials, and I can appreciate that too.

2188
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they necessarily have to be there with

2189
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 2: Jim Gray in their face afterwards. I'm not saying that

2190
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 2: they have to be there up as a pinata for

2191
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 2: all US media members to throw all of our issues at.

2192
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 2: That's not what it's about the fact that you're leaning

2193
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 2: on that, the fact that Aaron came back a second

2194
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 2: time and said, okay, let's take the emotion out of it.

2195
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 2: We're not talking about skewering them after the fact, But

2196
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 2: we are talking about you, as a commission head, reviewing

2197
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 2: the situation, interviewing everybody involved, and then coming back with

2198
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 2: the response that essentially says to us, was that the

2199
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 2: right call. You're either gonna tell us it was for

2200
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 2: these reasons, and we have to understand it, or you

2201
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 2: can tell us, no, we got it wrong. We apologize,

2202
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 2: but we're gonna educate, we're gonna fix that. We're gonna

2203
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, like, no, we're getting none of that. Your

2204
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 2: response is that the media is too harsh and rude.

2205
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 2: It's not our job to be the pied piper. When

2206
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 2: a judge gets it right, that's the nature of their

2207
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 2: job to get it right. But it is our job

2208
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 2: to ask the kind of questions that nobody in power

2209
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 2: ever freaking asks. In this sport. It always falls on us.

2210
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: It's not the athletes, it's not the promoter. Why because

2211
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: everybody's happy and they're getting paid. I don't know. That's

2212
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,759
Speaker 2: your professional public response that if the media was nicer,

2213
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 2: maybe what the judges would perform better, or you'd be

2214
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 2: more willing to have us talk to them. How about

2215
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 2: you talk to them and fix the issues that we get.

2216
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 2: And I know, A Mike's not the head of the

2217
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Nevada Commission. He's a commissioner. He's a very good one.

2218
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 2: But across the board, Luke, this is why I think

2219
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 2: we need the National Commission government regulated. So there's transparency,

2220
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 2: there's communication, there's education, there's accountability right now, there's none

2221
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,799
Speaker 2: of that. Shout out to Aaron Brown said of TSN

2222
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 2: for asking the right questions and doing it in a

2223
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 2: very respectful way. But Luke, I hate when people use

2224
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 2: the terms like soy boy. Oh BC's is a keyboard

2225
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 2: warrior and a soy boy. He won't never get into

2226
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 2: a fight. No, I won't. I won't. But I love

2227
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 2: covering this game. But that's a soy boy response. The

2228
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: media's tone. What the hell is wrong with this situation?

2229
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 2: That's a Dana White response. To be very fair, Mike,

2230
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 2: that's a Dana White response. Let's avoid the actual line

2231
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 2: of questioning and go in this other line. How about

2232
01:43:58,439 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 2: we fix the issues at hand.

2233
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Come on, dude, I know it was amazing. I thought

2234
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: that response was amazing to be honest with you, Like

2235
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: everything you said I basically agree with. But then on

2236
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: top of it, like, did you hear anything in there

2237
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: about like what we need to do to get better

2238
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: judging or a recognition that judging is not in certain

2239
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 1: cases very good, or that you know the athletes don't

2240
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: have any capacity to question it or get to the

2241
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 1: bottom of it, or whatever, Like nothing in there about

2242
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 1: the job itself number one.

2243
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I'd love for them to tell us why

2244
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 2: we're wrong. I'd love for them to tell you why

2245
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 2: you're at home with your beer not half paying attention

2246
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,719
Speaker 2: to the fight, Why you're wrong, why we didn't see

2247
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 2: what we thought we saw. Give me letter of the law.

2248
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 2: Tell me how hard that job is. I know, I know,

2249
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 2: judges that the job is extremely hard. You're on an island,

2250
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 2: But it would be a lot easier if you just

2251
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 2: came out and said, I talked to the judge, here's

2252
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,719
Speaker 2: what he saw, and here's what you guys don't understand

2253
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 2: about this job. Please educate us on this.

2254
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 1: Also, he's just not I mean, I'm not saying he's

2255
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 1: not telling the truth, but whatever version of the truth

2256
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 1: he has, he doesn't really understand it. So I'll just

2257
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 1: put my cards on the table here. I talk to

2258
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are high level judges, judges

2259
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 1: of UFC fights. I talked to commissioners of big states. Dude,

2260
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: I'll say this, the vast majority of them want to talk,

2261
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,919
Speaker 1: especially on the referee and judges side. The vast majority

2262
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 1: of the ones I've talked to, they reach out to

2263
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 1: me privately because they're so desperate to talk, they won't

2264
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 1: because the commissions and off many cases won't let them.

2265
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 1: For sometimes get reasons like that, But it's like this

2266
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: idea that like, oh, has anyone reached out to Brian

2267
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: Minor to compliment him? It's like, due, is he a

2268
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: fucking adult? Can you do your job without a pat

2269
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: on the back? Number one and number two guy, All

2270
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: those people you say don't want to talk, they talk

2271
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 1: to me a lot, hominge. They just they won't do

2272
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: it on the record because people that you went power

2273
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: won't let them tell the truth. Tell the truth.

2274
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 2: How did I become friends with judges because I used

2275
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 2: to reach out to them for interviews and they told

2276
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: me respectfully and politefully, Brian, it's not good for our

2277
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 2: jobs to talk publicly about fights or fighters. And I

2278
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 2: actually understand that it's right. A judge should not be

2279
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 2: previewing a fight. You know, I like none of that right,

2280
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 2: but but you know, just.

2281
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 1: Let me just say this too. Let me finish here

2282
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: with another point. I can't believe.

2283
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 2: Look, what is combat sports at the end of.

2284
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me just say this real quickly.

2285
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 1: I just want folks to think about one thing when

2286
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 1: this was when you hear him talk about this. I

2287
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 1: didn't hear a single thing about what the Commission has

2288
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: to do to honor its role as a public servant.

2289
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 1: I didn't hear one thing about what the Commission has

2290
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 1: to do to create a fair process. I didn't hear

2291
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: one thing about what the Commission has to do to

2292
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: honor their obligation to the athletes. Nothing. Everything you heard

2293
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:53,719
Speaker 1: in his response was self referential about what the Commission wants,

2294
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 1: what the individual officiants want, and what they want to

2295
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 1: do about that. Nothing in that response indicated that I'm

2296
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: not saying he doesn't think this way. I'm still saying,

2297
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,639
Speaker 1: by virtue of that response, there's nothing in there that

2298
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: gives you the impression he takes his role as public

2299
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: servant seriously. And at the end of the day, that

2300
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: is all that they are. They are public servants. Their

2301
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: job is to protect the interests of the state and therefore,

2302
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 1: vis a vis it's people. They are not there to

2303
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: serve their own interests or some other ideal that they

2304
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:32,640
Speaker 1: particularly care about. That's not in conjunction with the aforementioned responsibilities,

2305
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: which is to the state and to the people, first

2306
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 1: first and foremost, and that includes trying to introduce more

2307
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: fairness into the process, some version of transparency. Not this

2308
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,560
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to Michael Zouli specifically, but you know, individual

2309
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 1: states getting on there and not allowing medical suspensions to

2310
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 1: be public and not allowing fight er paids to be public.

2311
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: These fucking people, these bums that are continuing to be

2312
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: out there and do those sorts of things, Mike, they

2313
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: are not fostering trust. They are not acting in the

2314
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: responsibility of a public servant. And the pushback you're getting

2315
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 1: is because you guys won't do a fucking thing about it,

2316
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: even when the officiants are desperate for you to do that.

2317
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, please bearing me. Final comment for me is this,

2318
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 2: I get a lot of people that push back and say,

2319
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 2: man for two clowns. They don't realize how much they

2320
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 2: owe their job to Dana White or insert anyone in

2321
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 2: power and combat sports. Yeah, and I want to protect

2322
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 2: my job, meaning I want the business to thrive. I

2323
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 2: don't want people to stop tuning in because they think

2324
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 2: boxing and MMA are fucking clown shows. Right, I don't

2325
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 2: want you know what I mean? And I also, by

2326
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 2: the way, have a heart for the fighter, which seemingly

2327
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 2: nobody in an important role in this space team seems

2328
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 2: to lean on when they're making their arguments. So yeah,

2329
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 2: I actually love my job. AM thankful here and thankful

2330
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 2: for the success of UFC in big boxing promotions, and

2331
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 2: I want them to stay that way. But I also

2332
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 2: want due process and safety and like like unbelievable, unbelievable.

2333
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeahty, pretty remarkable answer. Here's why they don't talk

2334
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: more because they can't stop getting in trouble when they do.

2335
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: That's why they don't That's why they don't talk more.

2336
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: All right, last one BC, I'm not even gonna read

2337
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 1: this dude's name, just d MPs is what I'm gonna say.

2338
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Between the four horsemen of violence, Pourier, Alvarez, Chammer and

2339
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 1: Gai Chee, who has the best and worst career? I did?

2340
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 2: None of us have bet question and I love that

2341
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 2: name for them. Luke. You know they have been the

2342
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 2: face of this lightweight era and in terms of all

2343
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 2: action insane fights, is it it's had the best righter

2344
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 2: had the best, right.

2345
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 1: I think Pori's got two wins over McGregor. He was

2346
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: an interim champion. Gae Chee was an interim champion, but

2347
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 1: doesn't have like H's best wins are better, is what

2348
01:49:58,600 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I would say.

2349
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, two wins of Holloway doesn't hurt Poorier either. I

2350
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: get that they never won the full.

2351
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 1: Time Alvarez was full on weight class champion, that's.

2352
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 2: The right and multi time Bellator champion. I just think

2353
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 2: Poorier was the best fighter over all of the four,

2354
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 2: and I think you can argue he's had the most success. Luke,

2355
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 2: who has had the worst career of those.

2356
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:22,560
Speaker 1: Four, dude, well none of them have had bad careers. No,

2357
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 1: gay Chie got an interim title as well, beating Ferguson,

2358
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 1: which was a big deal.

2359
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 2: Former w SOOF champion too.

2360
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Luke WSOF champion, Chandler a Bellator champion. Chandler's got some

2361
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: weird losses. So he's got the Pitbull loss, He's got

2362
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 1: the will Brooks loss. By the way, will Brook's getting

2363
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 1: another win on the regional scene, looking for a bounce

2364
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:45,440
Speaker 1: back to UFA championship.

2365
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 2: He's got like a seven fight win streak or something.

2366
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So maybe you could argue Chandler only

2367
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 1: because he's been a little bit more up and down

2368
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: and still hasn't had He's the only one of the

2369
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 1: four that's never had any kind of UFC title, granted

2370
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: less UFC time. I guess you could argue Chandler, but again,

2371
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 1: Chandler's career has been nothing but a success.

2372
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 2: So and I give Chandler credit for what he's done

2373
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,839
Speaker 2: in the UFC from just swinging big and not fearing defeat.

2374
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 2: And I think obviously it's it's carried him to what

2375
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 2: a title shot, big pay per view fights, and possibly

2376
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor, so it's worked out great for him. Yeah, oh,

2377
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 2: you want to watch some shit, Luke, you want to get.

2378
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Any Let's go see BC's feces. Let's do it.

2379
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: Let's close with a smile here. I scoured the globe

2380
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 2: yesterday for the you know, the highs and lows, the good,

2381
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, of the in between and the

2382
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:31,720
Speaker 2: world of combat sports. But you better believe we went beyond, brother, Yeah,

2383
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 2: I'm talking about have you seen this shit? Oh god?

2384
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 2: Oh all right, Luke. We start in the UFC, which

2385
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 2: we often do, and Jim Miller taking souls twenty three seconds,

2386
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 2: but how about the growing mullet as well?

2387
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry, I said left hook, right straight. It was

2388
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: right straight, left hook, and then he catches him after

2389
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,839
Speaker 1: it the first time, and then in between the punches

2390
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: second time. Watch so left hook actually the restraight left hook,

2391
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: right straight, and then he catches him before the left hook,

2392
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I'm not a big fan of the ullet,

2393
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 1: but what I will say is the mullet had a

2394
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: day in the octagon. Now, the question is would the

2395
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 1: mullet get away with that in the smart cage. I

2396
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 1: honestly can't say. I honestly can't say.

2397
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't like that look on Miller, but it does

2398
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:25,639
Speaker 2: kind of fit his persona. Although that looks like party

2399
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 2: in the front and the back. Would you agree? Though?

2400
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 2: The best mullet in UFC history is still Mike Pyle

2401
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 2: shout out.

2402
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:33,640
Speaker 1: He was the original, kind of like, I'll be the

2403
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 1: mullet guy in UFC. But honestly, Ricky Simone had a

2404
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 1: pretty that's true, you know, pretty epic.

2405
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 2: Mullet that that is true right there? All right, Luke,

2406
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 2: you mentioned Karini Silva pop the knee of Kaitlyn Susa here.

2407
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 2: This is tough to watch here, but wow.

2408
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: Dude, no, she wraps up the ankle, which is kind

2409
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: of like she's sitting it up like that and then

2410
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 1: she's gonna turn it over to the outside like that,

2411
01:52:57,920 --> 01:52:58,679
Speaker 1: and there it goes.

2412
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Yep, congratulations, there it goes again, Kaitlyn Susa. But wow, wow,

2413
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,760
Speaker 2: that's a good win. They're Brazilian female Mma Luke on

2414
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 2: the rise right now? All right?

2415
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was fucking gross but also awesome. Yeah.

2416
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 2: Hey, we've unfortunately former heavyweight champion Andre Arlovsky was knocked

2417
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 2: out for the twelfth time in his great I.

2418
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Got this one wrong on our okay bet Ah man

2419
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 1: and he like the funny part was he like pre slips. Well,

2420
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: let me go back and see it one more time.

2421
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: I think he actually pre slips. Yeah, he does pre

2422
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:32,640
Speaker 1: slip and Arlovsky follows and then still gets countered. I

2423
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 1: was a little bit surprised that he threw that punch,

2424
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: But dude, Olowski's been out of dude, he's he's forty four.

2425
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:40,679
Speaker 2: Bro, that's a good knockout for though, like the time, that's.

2426
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 1: A great knockout. That's his best win. That's his best

2427
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 1: win by far, by far.

2428
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 2: We also got a brutal ko Luke from newcomer Muhammad

2429
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 2: Naimov against Jamie Malarkey. Did you see this Luke?

2430
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, he gave. I didn't see this one, dude.

2431
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,640
Speaker 1: Malarkey was a massive favorite heading into this one. And

2432
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how he pronounces it naimov or n

2433
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 1: i'm off, I'm not sure how to say it, but

2434
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: he just he catches Malarkey, switching stances into range with

2435
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 1: his hands down and just fucking thumps him for it.

2436
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 2: Violent sometimes like sometimes knockout sequences. Luke just just scream

2437
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 2: more violent than normal. Dan Henderson versus Hector Lombard is

2438
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 2: a great choice Mark Quard against Woodley. This one isn't

2439
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:22,800
Speaker 2: as destructive as those, but there was like a mean,

2440
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 2: violent spirit to how he executed that.

2441
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did. I agree with you he did

2442
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: that was that was ugly, Luke.

2443
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have elder abuse today, but

2444
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 2: we've got a growing fun mini segment here called NHL

2445
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 2: Jersey of the Week. Let's go out to the drunk fans.

2446
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 2: What do you think about this guy?

2447
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be classy. My ball's itch.

2448
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 2: You support that, right?

2449
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 1: Double zero of course?

2450
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 2: Double zero? Yeah, yeah, our next guy is only single zero, Luke,

2451
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 2: but uh, it matches up with his personality.

2452
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: Day's sober zero and he's a Golden Knights fan too.

2453
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 1: Got the Golden Knights, I tell you what a what

2454
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: a absolutely disreputable franchise. I can't stand how tacky they are.

2455
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 1: I hate it.

2456
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, you just broke Kevin Iola's heart.

2457
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: Luke, First of all, pick a team, Kevin. Are you

2458
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: a Bruins fan? No, not Bruins Penguins or are you

2459
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: a Vegas guy? He's like, I'm both. I'm like, you can't.

2460
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 2: Breno Komodo's big, big night guy too. I mean, you know,

2461
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 2: for those Vegas weirdos.

2462
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this much. The Las Vegas fans get

2463
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 1: busy for their nights, so like shots of the Vegas

2464
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 1: fans are pretty good about it. But I can't stand there, like,

2465
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: I just don't like Vegas. And to their credit for

2466
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 1: a Vegas team, the Knights are like a very Vegas

2467
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 1: like organization. But that's just why I hate him so much. Also,

2468
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 1: we beat him in the twenty eighteen Stanley Cup, so

2469
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 1: you can scratch my balls.

2470
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 2: You and and Alijah Freddy teamed up, right.

2471
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, me and Dimitri orlov There we

2472
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 1: go go.

2473
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke, let's go over to the roller coaster. Let's

2474
01:55:53,400 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 2: listen in on this. This is up your alley, Luke.

2475
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 2: I have to believe you have tortured people in that

2476
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 2: same setup before where they can't go anywhere, so you

2477
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 2: might as well just bathe in it, right.

2478
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: So I never have done the roller coaster one. That

2479
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 1: one I have not done. But dude, I always say

2480
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: it if you get on it. If you see me

2481
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 1: on a plane, yo, I'm about to I'm about to

2482
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: crop dust. I'm about to absolutely I'm about I'm about

2483
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 1: to absolutely set every one of you on fire with

2484
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 1: my with my a news oh methane.

2485
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Hey, Luke, I got an important question.

2486
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 2: Is there life after UFC?

2487
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 1: Yep?

2488
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 2: For a few fighters there are there is. You know.

2489
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 2: One of them is named Cowboy Ola Vera. He was

2490
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 2: over in Serbia fighting for Titan FC. Look at this

2491
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 2: judo toss ko.

2492
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 1: Let's see. Oh haai gushi ah, he landed on it,

2493
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: hit him with he hit him with the old Haraigoshi

2494
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:05,760
Speaker 1: looks like he goes he steps to the he steps

2495
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: to the outside like that all. He just landed right

2496
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: on his head in the turn. Damn dude, I'll tell

2497
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: you what that dude's got He's like, he's like the

2498
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 1: cro Marty of MMA. He's got like seventy five kids.

2499
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: But old cowboy Olavera's got He's still a violent fuck man.

2500
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: Don't don't lose that he will.

2501
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 2: He will bang Luke. We do know that for sure.

2502
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 2: Is there life after UFC for Greg Hardy Luke? He

2503
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:31,400
Speaker 2: was boxing in the Team Combat League and uh he

2504
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 2: got sent to Hell, Luke, it's over, dude.

2505
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 1: He just looks. He just looks, Hello. Washed by the way.

2506
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you could fit five people in those trunks.

2507
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what did you doing here? Dude? Did I

2508
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 1: see him? Did I see a video? I'm not I'm

2509
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 1: wondering about this. Did I see a video of him

2510
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: working for a cable company at a Walmart? Is that

2511
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 1: a real thing?

2512
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 2: I think it was fake. I think it was a fake.

2513
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2514
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fake. Maybe I'm wrong. I

2515
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 2: thought it was like he tricked us and then it wasn't.

2516
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying here's anything wrong with that line

2517
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 1: of work. In fact, that's a perfect good and actually

2518
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: could be quite lucrative line of work. I just want

2519
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 1: to know if it was real, Like, has he totally

2520
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 1: punted on fighting at this point.

2521
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 2: No, he's been doing this boxing thing with the Team

2522
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 2: Combat League where they have teams based in cities, kind

2523
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 2: of like the IFL, but you all fight in the

2524
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 2: same fight. As you can see, this is round seventeen

2525
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,120
Speaker 2: of eighteen. You fight one round at a time in

2526
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 2: multiple Jesus.

2527
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 1: By the way, look at how blacked out the crowd is.

2528
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 1: There must be three people there.

2529
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been going on, I believe at the Mohican

2530
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 2: Sun on and off every other every couple of weeks.

2531
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't even know where it airs. Luke, have you heard, like,

2532
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:33,920
Speaker 2: where is this going?

2533
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:35,680
Speaker 1: Nowhere? Where people are watching?

2534
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 2: I think Ray Flores is on the call though. Shout

2535
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 2: out to Ray big big has Bulah fan over there there.

2536
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: He is all about the has has has bulla fucking jokes, Luke.

2537
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 2: Is their life after UFC? I mean death for alexay

2538
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh Lennox, let's go to Russia to find out?

2539
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 1: Is he in the red Oh yeah, yeah, Oh dude,

2540
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you poris. We didn't talk about it

2541
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 1: like after the Machidah loss, the fucked out face he made.

2542
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 1: They got a meaned you make a face after you

2543
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,840
Speaker 1: get knocked out. It just it just the Internet will

2544
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:11,000
Speaker 1: not let you sleep comfortable.

2545
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,720
Speaker 2: Boxing fans know that as the Curtis Stevens face when

2546
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 2: Triple G knocked him down and got whoo like that

2547
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 2: power is real. Hey, Luke, I always get annoyed at

2548
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 2: that Bruce Buffer guy, and then I get even more

2549
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 2: annoyed at that Bruce Buffer imitator guy who shows up

2550
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 2: in public. But there's apparently an inmitator of John Annick.

2551
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 2: Let's go to the video tape.

2552
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 3: These two fighters have dealt with substance abuse issues in

2553
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 3: the past and will relapse later tonight.

2554
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 2: Likely.

2555
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 3: This fighter's mother recently died Redfield in theaters this weekend

2556
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,880
Speaker 3: Saturday night. This fighter's three year old daughter has the

2557
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 3: most aggressive form of brain cancer known to man. Brought

2558
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 3: to you by the United States Marine Corps.

2559
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 1: This fight.

2560
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 3: This fighter is struggling to pay his mortgage and will

2561
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 3: likely be homeless in the following months if he doesn't

2562
01:59:58,360 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 3: get this win. Brought to you by Monster and drink

2563
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 3: that shit. His fighter's marriage is in shambles, and if

2564
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 3: he loses this fight, his wife will probably leave him.

2565
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:11,160
Speaker 3: Use you code UFC for twenty percent off.

2566
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 2: That's about It's pretty good. Yeah, that is that is

2567
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 2: pretty good. There old Ja getting called out. Uh, let's

2568
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 2: go to the wedding floor, Luke. If if I ever

2569
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 2: caused this much trouble at somebody's wedding, I'm definitely gonna

2570
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 2: dance my way out like this guy. Watch this. I

2571
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 2: feel like we ran this one before, but I'm happy

2572
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 2: to do it again.

2573
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 1: Dude, look at him just gyrating and cavorting on these women,

2574
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 1: ha hah, just setting shit on fire.

2575
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but look at the sense, look at the oh.

2576
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 1: He just you know, he's drunk. What is he doing?

2577
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 2: What the fun with his suit?

2578
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 1: Do you know he didn't pay a lot for that suit?

2579
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:55,800
Speaker 1: You know he didn't Long Island.

2580
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:57,640
Speaker 2: Luke has let me know that we did run this

2581
02:00:57,680 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 2: one before, but I again happy to bring that guy

2582
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,800
Speaker 2: back into the forefront. Biggest combat sporting event of the weekend,

2583
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,840
Speaker 2: Luke took place in a stadium in Poland. It's KSW

2584
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 2: Coliseum too.

2585
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:09,680
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, did fifty people?

2586
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,280
Speaker 2: Dude? You know how we played the entrance of Canelo

2587
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,440
Speaker 2: recently and we always talk about Anthony Joshua's entrances. How

2588
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 2: about this epic entrance from Poujia himself let's go to

2589
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:28,760
Speaker 2: the table, Marius Hadjanowski.

2590
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 6: Yes, it's like Drago and Rocky Foresheet.

2591
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 1: How amazed and they lowered them down.

2592
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:00,839
Speaker 2: Call that fire.

2593
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:05,800
Speaker 1: Like if this if I was seated in the arena

2594
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 1: and this was Strikeforce, I'd be right up on the

2595
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 1: pyrotechnics because that's how far away they put me.

2596
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 2: Luke. His opponent is former heavyweight boxing contender Arthur Spilka.

2597
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 2: His entrance wouldn't be outdone by the way. We have

2598
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:21,480
Speaker 2: still pictures of it. But did you see this? This

2599
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 2: was just such an incredible spectacle going on.

2600
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought him out in a like a gangster ride.

2601
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 1: Look at this shit with.

2602
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 2: A guy singing too, Just badass. Luke. I predicted Poojia

2603
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,080
Speaker 2: would get the victory in Okay bed and that's why

2604
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm under five hundred. Let's go to the videotape Spilka

2605
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 2: sending him down to the depths.

2606
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he breaks clinch. Let's see some southpawt orthodox goes

2607
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:49,280
Speaker 1: to the body and then right hook when he comes over.

2608
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:54,360
Speaker 1: Bang dude, dude, Spilka has wins over Listen to his

2609
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 1: combat sports resume. He's got wins over a Tomas Adamic

2610
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:01,560
Speaker 1: and Marius Pujinowski Like not saying that's the best boxer

2611
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 1: or by any stretch, the best MMA fighter, but that's

2612
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 1: pretty good for a well rounded combat sports resume.

2613
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean to come in here, Luke. I thought

2614
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 2: this fight would be on the ground a lot, and

2615
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 2: then I thought maybe that that you know, would wear

2616
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:17,080
Speaker 2: him out, and he's he's been a little punchy old

2617
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 2: uh old uh uh. I'm sorry, Spilka. I guess I

2618
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:25,360
Speaker 2: didn't anticipate that that Hoosia could get so guessed in

2619
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,560
Speaker 2: trying to hurt him. And then the boxing took over

2620
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 2: for archer Spilka, and he made it look fairly easy

2621
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 2: once he had that separation.

2622
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 1: As they always say, see, the best base for MMA

2623
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 1: is getting flat lined by Deontay Wilder, so.

2624
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go, uh look, but the biggest knockout from

2625
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 2: this card was another boxer. Former cruiserweight champion Christoph Glowaski

2626
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 2: made his MMA debut on this card. He is on

2627
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:50,960
Speaker 2: the bottom being full mounted. But watch this ending right.

2628
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:54,080
Speaker 1: Once again, the best base for MMA is getting your

2629
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:56,040
Speaker 1: ass kicked. That's really, Luke.

2630
02:03:56,120 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 2: That is argue. People are saying this is the KO

2631
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:00,920
Speaker 2: of the year. That that's one of the best KOs

2632
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,200
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in MMA, Like, that's ridiculous, like a

2633
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 2: hail Mary.

2634
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,320
Speaker 1: From what I can find, at least on footage, only

2635
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:12,360
Speaker 1: two of these have ever happened. The other there's one

2636
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:14,840
Speaker 1: in Japanese MMA where a guy gets again the same thing,

2637
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: was sort of bombing from seated mount and the other

2638
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 1: guy just comes up and catches him with one and

2639
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:21,040
Speaker 1: puts him out.

2640
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 2: That's a Hey, two Polish boxing heroes went to this

2641
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:27,720
Speaker 2: massive card and one out in MMA, Luke, not bad,

2642
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 2: not a bad night elsewhere in m m A. This

2643
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:33,760
Speaker 2: is on the road to the UFC card. I don't

2644
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,720
Speaker 2: what is this, Luke, I don't understand this fight.

2645
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:39,040
Speaker 1: Card to self pause, let's see.

2646
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 2: No, but what is this show?

2647
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 1: They're just trying to get and they're just trying to

2648
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,760
Speaker 1: make bigger inroads into East Asia? Is essentially the answer here.

2649
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:58,160
Speaker 2: That's neurogi. I just butchered his name. He just butchered

2650
02:04:58,160 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 2: his opponent.

2651
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,160
Speaker 1: He hit him with the old KSI you know what

2652
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

2653
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 2: He threw a bottle of prime Adhaim Luke.

2654
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 1: Now he hit him with the old elbow.

2655
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:08,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there you go. There you go and

2656
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:09,920
Speaker 2: he falls down the cage.

2657
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh the old KSI Bombamn.

2658
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:16,720
Speaker 2: Dude, that's brutal. Wow, Luke, A lot of people sent

2659
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 2: this to me to try to make you excited in

2660
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:22,880
Speaker 2: your dungarees. Chofkat Ruckmanoff has a sister, And I'm not

2661
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 2: trying to get you excited for for some things you

2662
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:27,560
Speaker 2: might think I'm talking about. For her striking, look at

2663
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 2: this a sack.

2664
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, in order for me to get excited about

2665
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 1: the ways, you'd be implying she'd have to be from Venezuela. However,

2666
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:38,040
Speaker 1: in terms of being a great fighter, she looks like

2667
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:40,720
Speaker 1: she might have the goods man. She looks vicious like

2668
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:41,919
Speaker 1: her brother. Jesus.

2669
02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 2: Her first name is Soa s O r A. And

2670
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 2: this was a dominant just she lacking of some soccer

2671
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,760
Speaker 2: mom but shout out just the same, luke. Wow.

2672
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:53,720
Speaker 1: And she does, by the way, have some similarities to

2673
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 1: him in terms of how she fights and where. And

2674
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 1: this other girl was just getting I mean, dude, what

2675
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 1: was the referees? Just like what I mean, what is

2676
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 1: he like waiting? This is an honor crime?

2677
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:03,760
Speaker 2: Like?

2678
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: What are we? What are we waiting on here? Guys?

2679
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,480
Speaker 2: Until I see an eyeball dislodged. I am not stepping

2680
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:11,040
Speaker 2: in there, but a good stop. It's just the same. Hey. Look,

2681
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:13,600
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of weird announced teams in MMA

2682
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:16,600
Speaker 2: this weekend. Cage Warriors rolled out a three person team

2683
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 2: that also included Steve O and Angela Hill. Let's listen

2684
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:27,680
Speaker 2: in Okay, Yeah, you keep them r the gro Yeah,

2685
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,720
Speaker 2: and he just keeps coming back for that same ball.

2686
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:32,600
Speaker 1: Just a line.

2687
02:06:32,760 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 2: You got a little to one left side. Please take

2688
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 2: all of it. You stand right over here on h

2689
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that didn't pleasant. I felt that might be I

2690
02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:46,760
Speaker 2: should type the lad. Look, he keeps going after that

2691
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:49,480
Speaker 2: same ball. And there's an earlier clip where Angela Hills like, yeah,

2692
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:52,000
Speaker 2: he's targeting the left testicle. It's just it's great ship.

2693
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 2: I popped for that.

2694
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:54,600
Speaker 1: You see the guy who got kicked in the balls.

2695
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:57,400
Speaker 1: There is a buddy of mine that's Sunny m Hotep.

2696
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:00,480
Speaker 1: Years and years and years ago we trained together in DC.

2697
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:02,960
Speaker 1: He since moved to California as a team Blackhouse. But

2698
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:06,520
Speaker 1: I know Sony very very well, and uh he's a

2699
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 1: great guy. I hope he mixed it to the big shows.

2700
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:11,200
Speaker 2: Also, Unfortunately, he won't have any children Luke, But yes.

2701
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:13,720
Speaker 1: I'll only have one functioning ball. But you know what,

2702
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 1: that's all you really need.

2703
02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:19,080
Speaker 2: Not to be outdone. Titan FC rolled out this broadcast

2704
02:07:19,080 --> 02:07:22,520
Speaker 2: team featuring Manow Bowl and Muggsy Bogs. Luke otherwise known

2705
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:25,920
Speaker 2: as Stupend Struve in Jose, Shorty Torres, your.

2706
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:29,800
Speaker 1: Thoughts this This had to be intentional, right, plus had

2707
02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:32,320
Speaker 1: to be they had They had Struve do the in

2708
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 1: cage interviewing. So he's just looking at these people like,

2709
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 1: you know.

2710
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:40,280
Speaker 2: He was announcer. He was in cage ring announcer too, Luke.

2711
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, who is the new prospect in the NBA?

2712
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 1: Victor Webb Bayama is that his name or something like that? Like, yeah,

2713
02:07:47,160 --> 02:07:49,960
Speaker 1: he's like seven four, just walking around looking at normal

2714
02:07:50,040 --> 02:07:53,080
Speaker 1: humans like there are fucking crickets. That's what Stephan Struve

2715
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:53,560
Speaker 1: looked like.

2716
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 2: Shout out to Shorty Torres in that suit, though, Luke.

2717
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Good to see him getting getting that work out there.

2718
02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:00,920
Speaker 2: You know who got work in eight seconds? It was

2719
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:04,400
Speaker 2: Roosevelt Roberts on the Tough episode one of season thirty one.

2720
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:07,160
Speaker 2: Here's this finish, Luke, if you were interested.

2721
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 1: Dude, Roosevelt Roberts was always pretty good. He just had

2722
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,360
Speaker 1: moments where I think he got a little bit overwhelmed.

2723
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:14,920
Speaker 1: But he was a top prospect coming off Contender series.

2724
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,240
Speaker 1: He actually had some real ability. I'm not sure how

2725
02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:19,360
Speaker 1: it all fell apart for him, but him doing well

2726
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:21,200
Speaker 1: is not a surprise and a good good win for

2727
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: him to start off the season with.

2728
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you see coach Connor upset at the loss.

2729
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:29,400
Speaker 2: The boxing award for the worst form ever is going

2730
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 2: to go to this Design Prospect series, brought to you

2731
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 2: by Jake Paul's MVP Promotions. Luke, let's watch Carlos ray

2732
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:38,800
Speaker 2: Ramrez do his work with the Red Gloves.

2733
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, his middle name is King. I don't know

2734
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 1: if that's fitting.

2735
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 2: Look at that form. It is just incredible.

2736
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 1: Dude, did they get this guy? I mean, I'm not

2737
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 1: doing a bit. Did they just pay a dude off

2738
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:56,280
Speaker 1: the street? Did they? Did they? Jeniffani Lewis looks about

2739
02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 1: like someone would look with like a little bit of training,

2740
02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:01,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, he'd He looks about

2741
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:02,960
Speaker 1: ready for a four rounder.

2742
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:05,440
Speaker 2: The good news is, Luke, he'll also be driving all

2743
02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:07,840
Speaker 2: these fighters home on the Uber after the fights, and

2744
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:10,520
Speaker 2: he's also the caterer but yes, they luckily stopped it.

2745
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 2: Stepped in there to stop that rugby pitch time. You know,

2746
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:16,560
Speaker 2: we got a lot of down under listeners in the

2747
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:17,120
Speaker 2: off season.

2748
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:20,240
Speaker 1: These in the news. I fucked it up, but go ahead,

2749
02:09:20,240 --> 02:09:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

2750
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:26,400
Speaker 2: Watched. So there's a Red player who got hurt and

2751
02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:29,640
Speaker 2: he's off the pitch and look at this game saving tackle.

2752
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:30,920
Speaker 2: This is insane.

2753
02:09:31,560 --> 02:09:35,880
Speaker 1: So he's getting medically evaluated, says screw it, I don't

2754
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,840
Speaker 1: mind if I die, and then tackles this dude, Yes,

2755
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 1: bang with the shoulder and everything.

2756
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be he'll be fighting Jim Miller on next

2757
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 2: Saturday's UFC Fight Night card. Luke, okay, ready willing.

2758
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:49,360
Speaker 1: No, that dude, that dude Ray Ramirez is gonna be

2759
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 1: is gonna be fine. B See like that that when

2760
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:53,400
Speaker 1: you show that the show, the clip of the dude

2761
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 1: just boxing with like like a like a kangaroo just

2762
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know what it's doing.

2763
02:09:56,840 --> 02:09:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2764
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's got that whole time style.

2765
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he's got box and gloves on and he's

2766
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:03,440
Speaker 1: trying to find the light switch somewhere in the middle

2767
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:05,600
Speaker 1: of the dark. Is what it looks like. This is

2768
02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:07,680
Speaker 1: when people are like, dude, you gotta respect everyone who

2769
02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 1: gets in there. And I'm like everyone everyone.

2770
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, Luke, I don't know about that. Hey,

2771
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:17,840
Speaker 2: time for some water slide fails you into that? Look?

2772
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:20,480
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please, all right.

2773
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:22,600
Speaker 2: I got a male and female one for you. Let's

2774
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:24,240
Speaker 2: start with the late ladies first. Here.

2775
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh, just hitting every jagged rock on the way down,

2776
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 1: young lady. That had to fucking suck.

2777
02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 2: Ah. That's nature's playground there. That's a natural water slide. Look.

2778
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, when people say that we'll go to these natural falls,

2779
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, bitch, you're gonna go to the natural falls.

2780
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take the artificial one in the pool.

2781
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 2: I think. Unfortunately, her privates bounced across across all those

2782
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:44,760
Speaker 2: jaded rocks.

2783
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 1: Here's what they didn't show you. This was also a hysterectomy,

2784
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,480
Speaker 1: So those rocks are dangerous.

2785
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:52,480
Speaker 2: Oh that was a good one. All right, Let's go

2786
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:54,360
Speaker 2: to the male side of it, Luke. We do have

2787
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:57,000
Speaker 2: male viewers and this might be one of them. Let's

2788
02:10:57,080 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 2: check it out here.

2789
02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I mean gno to walk off.

2790
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 2: This guy, Chubb Rock. Yeah, they have weight limits for

2791
02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:10,480
Speaker 2: a reason there. Wow.

2792
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:16,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, yikes, all right, throw that bitch in the sarlac

2793
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 6: pit and call it a day.

2794
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:22,320
Speaker 2: We finally found video of that white trash neighbor of

2795
02:11:22,360 --> 02:11:25,560
Speaker 2: yours who always mows his lawn during MK unbelievable, Luke.

2796
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:27,800
Speaker 2: We had to park outside your house to get it,

2797
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 2: but uh, there he is. He's a smart man, though,

2798
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:32,120
Speaker 2: very smart man.

2799
02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:37,600
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I appreciate that you're mowing the grass,

2800
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:40,080
Speaker 1: but what's up with the windows?

2801
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 2: My guy, that's clearly a meth house across the street

2802
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:47,160
Speaker 2: from you there, Luke. But you know that's fine, it's DC,

2803
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:48,200
Speaker 2: it's cool, it's f.

2804
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's listen. First of all, I mean, dude,

2805
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:54,680
Speaker 1: people live in parts of the country. There's not even

2806
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:57,880
Speaker 1: a fucking sidewalk on this bumpkin town in the middle

2807
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:02,520
Speaker 1: of nowhere, and this guy's got some kind of fucking

2808
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:07,360
Speaker 1: flophouse that just has no there's nothing around the windows.

2809
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:08,960
Speaker 2: Just yeah, that's the kind of guy you could have

2810
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,120
Speaker 2: barbecue with in the backyard and not realize that he's

2811
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:13,560
Speaker 2: got eight women chained up upstairs in the edd. Yeah, exactly,

2812
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:18,320
Speaker 2: that's happened before. Nate d I'm sorry, Nick Diaz has

2813
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,320
Speaker 2: a new commercial. Luke. It's a bong commercial. Shout out

2814
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:30,760
Speaker 2: to this representation. Yeah, dude, gets yours right.

2815
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 1: I like how they were like, Nick, we need you

2816
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:37,560
Speaker 1: to get into character, and he was like, I got you,

2817
02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:38,720
Speaker 1: I got you covered.

2818
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:41,040
Speaker 2: Can we get them to represent our show, Luke, and

2819
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:42,360
Speaker 2: maybe get a couple of free samples.

2820
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: You know we have Hittoki Please hit us up. We'd

2821
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:48,520
Speaker 1: be interested in also being in commercials like this.

2822
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:51,360
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. If you have the helmet or

2823
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:53,960
Speaker 2: the backpack, if that is an add on you know

2824
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, like the power pad for the EP.

2825
02:12:56,240 --> 02:12:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the death by Marijuana mask that you

2826
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:00,800
Speaker 1: can provide, please, Luke.

2827
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:03,200
Speaker 2: One of my favorite segments in this show is MMA

2828
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,720
Speaker 2: Fighters in the Wild. Let's check them out in their

2829
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:10,480
Speaker 2: own element. Hey, Rampage Jackson visited Columbia. Yes, that Columbia.

2830
02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, look at the cheering section he gets Let's go.

2831
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:21,120
Speaker 1: He spelled Columbia right.

2832
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 2: Can you just hire bbls to cheer.

2833
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:27,560
Speaker 1: You on while you're lifting in I cannot explain this

2834
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:30,120
Speaker 1: to you, dude. Like going to the gym, there is

2835
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 1: a completely different experience than going to the gym. Here.

2836
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:36,760
Speaker 1: You go to the gym here. It's all sweaty dudes

2837
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 1: who are walking around with shoes, and then they're open

2838
02:13:38,680 --> 02:13:41,760
Speaker 1: ball sacks in the men's bathroom, and then the crowd

2839
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:43,680
Speaker 1: is whatever. It's usually just dudes. But you know it's

2840
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:47,000
Speaker 1: semi mixed. It is the exact opposite. Over there, it

2841
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:49,600
Speaker 1: is mostly women. It is mostly Put the video up again.

2842
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to play the audio. Just put it

2843
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,080
Speaker 1: up again. Look what they're wearing. Yeah, you see a

2844
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:57,640
Speaker 1: lot of that. You see a lot of that all

2845
02:13:57,720 --> 02:14:00,880
Speaker 1: the time. By the way, rampage curling is that one

2846
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 1: for five on Preacher curl with gloves He's gonna tear

2847
02:14:04,120 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: his biceps doing shit like that. But uh no, excuse me,

2848
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:09,840
Speaker 1: that's more than that. That's that's one eighty five if

2849
02:14:09,880 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken.

2850
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:16,240
Speaker 2: But his strong at shit that gloves support, Luke, you know,

2851
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:18,560
Speaker 2: the gloves help him grip it tighter.

2852
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the gym there is one of my favorite

2853
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 1: places to go. Yeah, all right, Luke.

2854
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:27,520
Speaker 2: We talked last week about this burgeoning friendship between Alexander

2855
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:32,600
Speaker 2: Volkanowski and Nuggets NBA final star Jamal Murray that extended

2856
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:36,280
Speaker 2: to the basketball court on Volkanovski's YouTube channel. What do

2857
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:41,200
Speaker 2: you think of the featherweight champions Form.

2858
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:44,000
Speaker 1: Did you know he was two hundred thousand pounds once

2859
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:44,720
Speaker 1: played rugby?

2860
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:48,080
Speaker 2: You know, he played in the NBA, had two twenty five. Luke,

2861
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:50,800
Speaker 2: We look at that nice try. I'd say he's better

2862
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:53,600
Speaker 2: than Connor and Habibe in terms of his his shooting form.

2863
02:14:55,200 --> 02:14:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that's not saying much.

2864
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:00,440
Speaker 2: Looks like they're having a free throw contest similar to

2865
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:02,760
Speaker 2: the one that we had with Morning Combat cameras that

2866
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:04,240
Speaker 2: inexplicably never aired, Luke.

2867
02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they just never aired it. They were like,

2868
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:07,200
Speaker 1: fuck these two guys.

2869
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,840
Speaker 2: You know, all right, Well, Sean O'Malley's in the wild

2870
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 2: trying out his new purchase, Luke, a pink Ar fifteen.

2871
02:15:14,600 --> 02:15:21,680
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, This is not how I learned. Yeah, and

2872
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:25,240
Speaker 1: then he does the Johnny Walker bit. You know Johnny

2873
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:27,720
Speaker 1: Walker also shoots rounds while he thrust his hip, but

2874
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe not with the pink Ar fifteen. Yeah. I don't

2875
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 1: love this part of gun culture. But what are you

2876
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna do? Man?

2877
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:36,280
Speaker 2: What a what are you gonna do? Luke? What are

2878
02:15:36,280 --> 02:15:38,880
Speaker 2: you gonna do? Hey? Your boy is he was in Australia,

2879
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:43,160
Speaker 2: but he was being followed. This is at the Airport

2880
02:15:43,480 --> 02:15:47,320
Speaker 2: by one Alex Poeton Pareta bro.

2881
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:49,840
Speaker 1: They got these guys traveling in the same places at

2882
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:54,200
Speaker 1: the same time. Man, that is was that a UFC Luke?

2883
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 1: I saw that Poleton went down there and visited with

2884
02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:04,280
Speaker 1: likes rival rugby team. You know, so like you're just

2885
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of doing those funny bits. I'm not sure exactly,

2886
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I would love to go to Australia, dude,

2887
02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 1: I would.

2888
02:16:09,640 --> 02:16:12,120
Speaker 2: Love to go. I'd love to do a live show

2889
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:13,960
Speaker 2: there for one thousand Austie donks.

2890
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:14,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

2891
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:18,000
Speaker 2: It'd be great, it'd be fantastic. We just elected Rampage

2892
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 2: Jackson to the Lifting Gloves Hall of Fame. But we

2893
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:23,520
Speaker 2: have a new person on the ballot, Luke, and he's

2894
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:28,400
Speaker 2: your favorite entertainer. Sometimes he's even in the octagon. It's

2895
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:30,680
Speaker 2: Burnt Chrysler Luke. He's a lifting glove guy.

2896
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:35,080
Speaker 1: Dude, does this guy ever not like just put a

2897
02:16:35,080 --> 02:16:36,119
Speaker 1: fucking shirt on, Homie?

2898
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean, just what are you that's Mikey's favorite comedian?

2899
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:40,720
Speaker 2: Back off, all right, back off?

2900
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:47,119
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I've never I mean I just now his

2901
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:50,080
Speaker 1: his his comedy better be I mean Bill Hicks level

2902
02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:53,320
Speaker 1: to justify this nonsense.

2903
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:56,720
Speaker 2: And Mikey is ching chiming in and saying that Burn

2904
02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:00,360
Speaker 2: Chrysler is also Autosania's favorite comedian. So Luke, you just

2905
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:01,279
Speaker 2: come around already.

2906
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:03,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean, listen, they can't all be great.

2907
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:04,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2908
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:07,640
Speaker 2: Likes him, Shop likes him right on a sign.

2909
02:17:07,640 --> 02:17:09,920
Speaker 1: You seem to love him. Listen. People like him a

2910
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,520
Speaker 1: lot more than they like me. This is not a

2911
02:17:11,560 --> 02:17:14,480
Speaker 1: fact that I am not aware of. I'm just telling you.

2912
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't get what the joke is because every time

2913
02:17:16,560 --> 02:17:18,680
Speaker 1: I hear him speak, it's just like it's not like

2914
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:22,640
Speaker 1: horrible or anything. But I don't It seems just very ordinary.

2915
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:25,560
Speaker 2: But okay, okay, I love to go on tour though

2916
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:27,480
Speaker 2: with our show, our comedy show that we do, Luke

2917
02:17:27,520 --> 02:17:29,280
Speaker 2: on tour, maybe we can go to Europe get a

2918
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:33,160
Speaker 2: bunch of dates. I can't sol that could be something, Luke,

2919
02:17:33,320 --> 02:17:36,760
Speaker 2: But let's go on over to Pinata fails to close

2920
02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:40,680
Speaker 2: today's segment. Luke, we love these Let's let's let's listen

2921
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:59,480
Speaker 2: in one. But the fun doesn't stop there. Let's go

2922
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:05,480
Speaker 2: to the next dude.

2923
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:10,720
Speaker 1: These fucking dumbasses, these fucking dumbasses. How do they not

2924
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:14,720
Speaker 1: know to put everyone away and then tell them to

2925
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:16,520
Speaker 1: go not to surround the little kid.

2926
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:20,120
Speaker 2: When they spin them around, they disorient them and spin

2927
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:22,160
Speaker 2: them around, and then these people just go running. But

2928
02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:24,039
Speaker 2: it's different if you're using a little league bat. Not

2929
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:26,320
Speaker 2: a big deal. They got videos out there with people

2930
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:30,040
Speaker 2: like full aluminum bats just running around chasing people at parties,

2931
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, staggering because they're disoriented. I mean, I guess

2932
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:35,680
Speaker 2: it makes for great content on this show. One more

2933
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:39,360
Speaker 2: to close. It's our Jim fail of the week. Enjoy it.

2934
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:58,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what the fuck? Dude? What I didn't

2935
02:18:58,400 --> 02:18:59,880
Speaker 1: even know that was possible.

2936
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:03,240
Speaker 2: She put her knee down on where the rolling track

2937
02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:05,000
Speaker 2: comes together. You ever, you ever cut like when you

2938
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 2: come down and escalator, Luke, You're always afraid if you

2939
02:19:06,920 --> 02:19:09,359
Speaker 2: step wrong that will suck you in. That's what happened.

2940
02:19:09,720 --> 02:19:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, dude, that that that treadmill a little appy

2941
02:19:14,200 --> 02:19:15,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That treadmill is a little

2942
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:17,680
Speaker 1: little bill Cosby going on there.

2943
02:19:17,720 --> 02:19:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that treadmill is named David Appleton.

2944
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:23,120
Speaker 1: You're right, you need to you need to tell the

2945
02:19:23,800 --> 02:19:27,879
Speaker 1: h R about this thing. This is uh, I like

2946
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:28,480
Speaker 1: to inspect it.

2947
02:19:28,560 --> 02:19:30,680
Speaker 2: After this fall, just to be fair, all.

2948
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:32,200
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, no, I need to check it out with

2949
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:33,640
Speaker 1: my nose for no reason.

2950
02:19:33,680 --> 02:19:36,400
Speaker 2: That's your ship of the week. I hope you saw it,

2951
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:38,440
Speaker 2: all right? What a show. I didn't expect to give

2952
02:19:38,480 --> 02:19:40,360
Speaker 2: the people two and a half hours today, and you know,

2953
02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:43,600
Speaker 2: but from from my loins to their lips, Luke, it

2954
02:19:43,680 --> 02:19:44,520
Speaker 2: was tremendous.

2955
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:46,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in the sport. We had

2956
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:49,800
Speaker 1: to get it off chest. Let's remind everyone. Hey, YouTube

2957
02:19:49,800 --> 02:19:51,959
Speaker 1: dot com slash Morning Combat tons of great stuff. I

2958
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:54,520
Speaker 1: put up a video essay yesterday. What's the what's the

2959
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:57,039
Speaker 1: one rule? If you could just change MMA with a

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Speaker 1: snap of fingers, what's one rule you would would change?

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Speaker 1: We talk about that in Why so you can check

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Speaker 1: that out. We'll have some more coverage for you. I

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Speaker 1: believe you've got some interview scheduled for this week. Do

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Speaker 1: you not be seen?

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Speaker 2: I will be talking with Amanda Nunis, the UFC two

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Speaker 2: division champion, and Luke. Sometimes I like to go up

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Speaker 2: and down the menu when I'm talking to UFCPR because

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Speaker 2: I know the people like when I rub my crazy

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Speaker 2: against other people's crazy. I booked Nate the train Land

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Speaker 2: where this week. Okay, so Nate the Train and your

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Speaker 2: boy BC are going to get to know each other

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly or this will.

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Speaker 1: Be all right. That should be pretty fun. That should

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Speaker 1: be pretty fun. So we'll have tons of content for

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Speaker 1: you guys, and of course just a reminder Saturday for

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Speaker 1: the UFC two eighty nine post fight, I will have

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Speaker 1: a show ready for you to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah fight and also showbox The New Generation is back

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Speaker 2: this Friday, grown in New York the Turning Stone Casino

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Speaker 2: and coinciding with the International Boxing Hall of Fame Class

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three. So if you want some showtime

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Speaker 2: for free to try it out, how about showtime dot com.

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Speaker 2: You can check out Topkins, robul Ol, Marcus, Steve Farhood

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Speaker 2: and myself back on the job Friday night in Verona.

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Speaker 1: Do miss. Should be really fun, all right? So thanks

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Speaker 1: to CBS Sports, thanks to Showtime, thanks to Malka show

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Speaker 1: excuse me Morningcombat dot store if you want to get

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Speaker 1: involved with any of the merch that's available there, and

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Speaker 1: then of course don't forget to reach out to the

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Speaker 1: show Morningcombat at gmail dot com for Wednesday's fansubs, Friday's

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Speaker 1: Dead Wrong, plenty of extra content coming your way this week,

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Speaker 1: right here in morning combat. Appreciate you guys watching. We're

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Speaker 1: out for today until next time. That's Brian Campbell. I'm

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. They all of your gains. Be loyal