1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. This is the Business 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: of Soccer. Soccer is absolutely mainstream. It's no longer underground ordination. 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: When are American sports fans going to fall in love 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: with the global game? 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: Professional Winn's soccer in the US is one of the 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: most exciting sports in all of North America right now. 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: Soccer is an incredibly accessible sport, very high ROI to 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: Gmail outcomes and positive community outcomes. 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: The World Cup may lead, but soccer culture and world 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: class soccer is here to stay, and it's something we're. 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: Super proud of. Bloomberg Business of Soccer from Bloomberg Radio. 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: Welcome to an extra special version of the Ruler of 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 2: Business Sports, coming to you. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 4: From Netlife Stadia. 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: Minutes after the final whistle of the twenty twenty six 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: People World Cup, I'm an Esperal Maglion and. 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 5: I am Randa Williams. This World Cup is up officially over. 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: In Spain are the world champions, winning one nil in 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: extra time over Argentina. 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 4: I first of all, just I can't believe it's over. 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: It hasn't hit me at randall. But first off. 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: For you, I mean when they said that Spain was dominant. 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Witnessing that for the first time after going to I 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 3: think five or six matches, I did not realize just 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: how dominant they were, But to see it in person 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: was completely different. 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: It's truly like the most pure version of football of soccer. 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: Like I grew up on this style of soccer. I 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: was taught how to play. It's just it's beautiful, it 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: really is. Though they called it the beautiful game, it's 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: they played amazing. But I'm honestly I was surprised they 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: didn't score earlier. 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, they I think Spain deserved to win. I mean, Argentina, 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: for I want to say, sixty maybe ninety minutes, did 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: not have a shot on goal and then we're pressured. 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: This sort of reminded me. Are the Argentina team reminded 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: me of the Kansas City Chiefs of twenty twenty five 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: when they were vibing on the edge for much of 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: the regular season and then they went to the Super 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: Bowl and ended up getting shell ACKed by the Philadelphia Eagles. 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: And the reason for that is because you know, you 42 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: think of Argentina's journey throughout the tournament three two versus 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: Cape Verde, three to one, versus Switzerland two to one 44 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: versus England, but all surviving on the edge, often going 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: to extra time. And so I think that Spain came 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: in they controlled much of the possessions. Sometimes feel like 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: Argentina was even playing. 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, And like you said, everyone 49 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: thought their side of the bracket is a lot easier 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: than Spain's side of the bracket. 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: You know, they had to go through so many people. 52 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: Spain had to go through France, but England had to 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: go I mean, Arty had to go through England. And 54 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: those games were so hardly fall and everyone thought they 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: were going to demolish everyone else they came against, and 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 2: it just showed they had resilience, but it. 57 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: Didn't show the talent wasn't really coming through. 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 2: Even though they happen really talented team, it just wasn't 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: coming through in the way that you were going to 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: expect it to. So Spain really I feel like just dominated. 61 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: So this is you said, your fifth or sixth game, 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: tell us about tell the people about this ambiance compared 63 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: to every every other game you've made. 64 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: We should talk about the lines first, but I'll say 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: that I'll say if that complaint for later. 66 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 5: Argent Argentina's fans. 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 3: Were second to none. I mean I witnessed Brazil, France, Norway, Sweden, Morocco. 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 5: But Argentina filled the stadium. 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: I mean it was eighty five fifteen maybe I would 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: probably say it's ninety ten. And they were singing on 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: the New Jersey transit. They were singing all throughout the city. 72 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: And so you're right singing in the press box, which 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: is not normal for a press box. Oftentimes there are 74 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: gas there, Oh my gosh. But to hear people clap 75 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: and sing and cheer, it's different. But I'm thankful for 76 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: the experience ultimately, because this is not something you see 77 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: at an NFL game. It's really not something you see 78 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: in an NBA game, and it was beautiful. 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: Do you think that from people you've spoken to or 80 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: people you saw walking around, like on the conference and stuff, 81 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: that all the people in Argentina jerseys, they weren't not 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: everyone was Argentina and that was very clear walking around. 83 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Do you think they bought last minute jerseys or do 84 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: you think that they follow the bandwagon or that they 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: are Argentina. 86 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 4: Or Messi fan. 87 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: I think that Leonel Messi has galvanized fans in a 88 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: way that few stars really have in recent years, Like 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 3: do you think about the most iconic stars really over 90 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: the last ten years. 91 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 5: Lebron won in twenty twenty. 92 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: He's one of the most popular athletes and people on 93 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: the planet. In baseball, show Halo Tani as well, But 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: if you remember show, hal Tani is not the person 95 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: who won the Dodgers Game seven. And I think Leonel 96 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: Messi probably has the greatest game of anybody that's not 97 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: named Killian Andmbappe in that twenty twenty two World Cup final. 98 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: You follow that up with the twenty twenty four Copa 99 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: America win, and he was riding high until today. And 100 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: I think that brand of Argentina, of Lionel Messi and 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: then him coming to America and playing for Inner Miami, 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: it just when a superstar arrives, they bring so much time. 103 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: And I think that everybody wants to be in the limelight. 104 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: Everybody wants to have a jersey, whether it's real, whether 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: it's authentic, whether it's fake. Everybody just wants to wear 106 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: that blue and white. But I think that's going to 107 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: change now that Spain and Lamina Maul have emerged victorious. 108 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that as well, 109 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: because obviously that was the other big conversation here was 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, was Messi versus Laminia Mal the go going 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: out with the young star coming in. 112 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 4: He had a great theme today. 113 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you think, what do you think this 114 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: did for his career going board? 115 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's really interesting because if you think 116 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: of Killian and Bappa, he was in a similar position 117 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen where it was his coming out party 118 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: and you know, he had an incredible twenty twenty two 119 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: and this year was obviously disappointing for him. 120 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 5: But laminiam Mal is in a similar position. 121 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: I think Barcelona is formidable and not only the La 122 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: Liga but also in the Champions League, and he's he's 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: peeking right now, but it's only a matter of time 124 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: before he continues to grow. I believe he finished second 125 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: in the Ballan door race, and so if he continues 126 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 3: on his current streak, he's going to be a star 127 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: that I would say is going to rival Lebron, James 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: and Turbul in terms of global fandom around the world. 129 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: Wow, that's really interesting. 130 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: How long do you think I mean, because I mean 131 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: with football players it's very different. 132 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: Their global prowess. 133 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 5: Sure. 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: I think he has five years five six years, like 135 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: nineteen is very young. And you have to think he 136 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: did this in America, which I also don't necessarily believe 137 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: that this was his best tournament, like he was coming 138 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: off an injury. He's scored, I believe once. But you know, 139 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: Americans are going to want to see him play. They're 140 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: going to want to see Oh Lamina mall. That's the kid, 141 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: and I think that that goes a long way. And 142 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: you know he's he's signed with Adidas. Adidas is essentially 143 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: passing the tour from Lionel Messi to. 144 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 5: La Mina mal and he's going to make a lot 145 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 5: of money. 146 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 147 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: I really think it's interesting bring up the US market 148 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: in that perspective because he's. 149 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: Already started the global in the global game. 150 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: I think we've seen so many global stars come here 151 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: that you knew soccer, you would know them and maybe 152 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: you would just kind of know who they were. Killian 153 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: Baba by one of them, Earling Holland probably being the biggest. 154 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: Example of that. He was. He's huge. I mean, he 155 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 4: plays for Manchester City. They do not lose. 156 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he came here and America fell in love 157 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: with this guy and right, and. 158 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: I think Lamina Maul's coming out party, he has so 159 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: many His next World Cup will be when he's twenty 160 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: two or twenty three is one after oh right, His 161 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: one after that will be in when he's twenty seven. 162 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: Is one after that will be when he starts. So 163 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: there are many, many more moments for him. And ultimately, 164 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: I think if if you're him and he's walking around 165 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: the street and he's being you know, fans are coming 166 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: up to him right now, just imagine what it's going 167 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: to be after he wins a Champions League, after he 168 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: wins you know, a ballador. And then another thing that 169 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: I would say that is really a difference between him 170 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: and MESSI is Lamina Maul talks a lot of junk 171 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: and Americans love that, and I think, you know, the 172 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: different cultures feel differently, but it does go a long way. 173 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: You think of what Connor McGregor did for the UFC 174 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: and just his flamboyancy and Lamina mal posting before they 175 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: played France and Instagram picture that was talking junk to 176 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: the team and then coming out and Spain beats them. 177 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: That only grows your legacy, even if you don't have 178 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: the best performance because you are a part of the 179 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: championship winning team. So he's yet to reach his peak 180 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: and I'm excited to see where it goes next. 181 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: It makes me think of what we've been talking about 182 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: a lot on the NBA about getting. 183 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: Getting the face of the league and being someone who 184 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 4: wants it. 185 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: So we talked a lot about it being na Hoolych 186 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: for a while, but everyone knows he doesn't care. He 187 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: wants to play with his horses and do what ever 188 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: he wants to do. So it feels like Messi was similar, 189 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: though he doesn't really talk. 190 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: To the media. He's not really out there doing a ton. 191 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: He does do commercials because you know who doesn't say 192 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 2: yes to that commercial success, but he doesn't have any interest. 193 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: In being the face of He. 194 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: Really reminds me of of Michael Jordan in the sense 195 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: of like he does what he wants, He does what 196 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: he wants. See he has an Adidas deal, and when 197 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: he shows up and does an interview, you pay attention. 198 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: But oftentimes it's like, oh, that's the goat, And I 199 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: think you hear the way that other players speak about him, 200 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: and that is a testament to his greatness. It often 201 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: tells his tale, so he doesn't even have to speak 202 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: it for himself. But at the same time, you also 203 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: wonder would the Messi Ronaldo debate still be happening if 204 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: you know Lionel Messi had talked junk after he won 205 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two World Cup. I'm not so sure 206 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: because of the fact that when you toot your own 207 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: horn sometimes like it rings out the loudest and that's 208 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 3: just not his style. But if la Mina Maul keeps 209 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: up on his current streak, I think he could be 210 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: even bigger. Now I do want to change gears, and 211 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit about the first ever FIFA 212 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: World Cup halftime show. 213 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 5: What was your take on it? 214 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: Well, I think we should give people a little bit 215 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: of perspective. 216 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: We're sitting in the press box, we're sitting behind windows, 217 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: we can hear really what's going on. We're seeing the setup, 218 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: and we had been discussing quickly that you know Super 219 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: Bowl we've gone to together. They rush right on to 220 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: the field. They do elaborate stages, and they hadn't done 221 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: this right away, maybe about a minute or so before 222 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: they even started coming onto the field with anything. And 223 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: then they really just had a cover that covered the 224 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: entire field with a big print on it, and then 225 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: you saw dancers coming in from here and there. Obviously, 226 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: I think it's different when you're protecting a soccer pitch 227 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: than when you're protecting a football stadium. And obviously that 228 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: it knows they're used to this, they do it and 229 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: it's very different. This is a little bit of a 230 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: different show. You have a million different artists going on. 231 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: I watching it back, I think it was as good 232 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: as you could expect for a minimal, you know, setup 233 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: and kind of throwing together your first one ever. The 234 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: star power was there, obviously, but I don't think it 235 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: is close to rivaling and so it won't have time. 236 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 5: I don't. 237 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: I don't think so either, And the main reason for 238 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 3: that is that this feels like a FIFA mandated halftime 239 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: show when you go to the Super Bowl. You know, 240 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: Kendrick Lamar had his Bad Bunny had his set, Rihanna 241 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: had his said, do you think about the moments that 242 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: were generated after just going back to Rihanna? For example, 243 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: Rihanna revealed that she was pregnant. Kendrick Lamar performed not 244 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: like us in dis Drake Bad Bunny had several moments, 245 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: you know, the people walking out in grass costumes, the 246 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: child who and people getting married at Bad Bunny's. 247 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. 248 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: That that is necessarily going to be anything we remember 249 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: outside of like, oh, these artists performed, but it just 250 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: did not pop to me. I think it could, but 251 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: so long as artists are having to perform you know, 252 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: the FIFA World Cup anthem and not necessarily their songs, 253 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: Like what if Justin Bieber performed speed Demon? 254 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 5: What if he performed other so, you know, so many 255 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 5: of his hits. What if he performed performed Baby? I 256 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 5: think that would have rung off in the crowd and 257 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 5: we didn't get to see that or feel that. And 258 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 5: I think in the crowd up until Shakira and Berna 259 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 5: Boy performed I Died. 260 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: I believe it's how you say it. Up until they 261 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 3: performed Died Died, the crowd was like, Okay, this is cool. 262 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: But it wasn't like sometimes when the halftime show performers 263 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: and there are anthems being performed in everyone singing along. 264 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that that ambiance from the crowd wasn't 265 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 2: really there. And again, like we had seen this similarly 266 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: in Bad Bunny. A lot of it was made for 267 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: the broadcast, so there was a lot we couldn't see. 268 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 4: We didn't seem Donna at all. 269 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still think even when you were in 270 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: the stadium, you were feeling it with money and you 271 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: didn't really feel it. 272 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 5: I thought the talk was beautiful. I don't know, maybe 273 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 5: it was very nice, very nice. 274 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: We'll see if this continues going forward, if they decided 275 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: to keep doing four to five different artists, or if 276 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: they say let's maybe have one or two, because Shakira 277 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: and Jalo split the halftime show once and I, you know, 278 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: think it was ever Okay, Randall, let's talk quickly about 279 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: President Trump's presence here. You've been at a lot of 280 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: events that he's all attended. How was this compared to 281 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: the other This. 282 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: Was by far the longest line, the worst experience of 283 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: any event that I've attended where he was at. And 284 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 3: the NBA Finals had that because the President Trump attended 285 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: Game three and it was Hallis getting into that game 286 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: as well, But this was way different. I arrived at 287 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: the stadium, I took the ten to eleven New Jersey 288 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: transit train out here. I thought that that was a 289 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: good idea the match started at three, that would have 290 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: put me here, you know, I would have imagined probably 291 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: around eleven thirty. By the time I got to Gate D, 292 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: which is where they are allowing media entry, the line 293 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: was wrapped. So it was the longest media line that 294 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: I have ever seen. I mean it doubles and probably 295 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: triples any line ever that I have ever been in 296 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: for media, and that was because of secret service going 297 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: through everything. Now, eventually the line did speed up, and 298 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: once you got in that was great, But at the 299 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: same time, FIFA encouraged everyone to get to the stadium 300 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: early and make sure that you could get in. 301 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: I got here early. I did what I was supposed 302 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 5: to do, and it wasn't enough. 303 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: I was to say that actually and just go it 304 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: at there, and they had made sure to tell everyone 305 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: to get here early, so people did, and the lines 306 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 2: are very long, and I, on the other hand, decided, 307 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: I feel like everything's going to do that. So I 308 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: took what one hour later train and I didn't get anyone. 309 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if you got in the same 310 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: time of the studio, maybe you were getting. 311 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: There when he was getting I arrived. 312 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: I probably got through the gates around one fifteen, one 313 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: thirty and probably stood in line for ninety five minutes. 314 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 5: So it was it was tough, but I'm just glad 315 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 5: it wasn't hot. Like no, I don't. 316 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: I have not seen any reports that people were harmed 317 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: in the line or and I'm glad that we were safe. 318 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 5: So ultimately, that is what success looks like, right. 319 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: A different way than they thought it was going to exactly. 320 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: Probably what they were hoping for, like the most ideal 321 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: weather possible. 322 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: Actually, I will say that I think that this is 323 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: sort of why federal officials don't go to a lot 324 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: of sporting it as now. I thing I'll say is 325 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: that this is a different culture that global football. Oftentimes 326 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: presidents go to these games, they enjoy these games. However, 327 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: when you put multiple precedents at these games, it makes 328 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: the experience very very difficult for fans, for media, and 329 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: for everyone trying to get in and get out of 330 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: the game. 331 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: That's very true. 332 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: And then we have discussed also on either last week's 333 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: show or the week before, what we thought celebrity presidence 334 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: was going to look like. Was he going to look 335 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: as the same as Game three for the Knicks. I said, 336 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: I didn't think so, and you said you thought so, so, what's. 337 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: I would say it's probably felt just to Tad short. 338 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: And the reason for that is you can't see anybody. 339 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: In the garden celebrity road. You're there to be seen, 340 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: you're not really there because you care exactly what's happening 341 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: on the of and some of them listen. I think 342 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: some of them were very into the idea of next 343 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: winning the champions sure, and I don't think many people 344 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: were here because they cared about. 345 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: I think at a certain point the a lot of 346 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: the suits emptied out just because the game was dragging 347 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: on and Spain couldn't score and Argentina never had the ball, 348 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: and so I think a lot of those celebrities ended 349 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: up leaving. But when I went on the Internet in 350 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: the middle of the game and just checked who all 351 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: was here, and then I, you know, use my phone 352 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: to try to zoom in as far as you can, 353 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: you can't see anybody. And I think that while we 354 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: will remember and there will be pictures of all the 355 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: celebrities that attended this game, it won't be the same 356 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: way that it was for Game three in Game four 357 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: of the Nixon Spurs series, because as you said, you 358 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: can see Taylor Swift, you can see jay Z, you 359 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: can see so many other people who are sitting courtside, 360 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: and I couldn't see jay Z and Beyonce. We're both 361 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: here and I couldn't see them, right. 362 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: And also it's different in that regard as well for time, 363 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: because they're all sitting next to each other. Can added 364 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: other thing they were like, all these are in place. Okay, 365 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: as we're wrapping up here, we have to talk about 366 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: the fact that there was two different red cards, and 367 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: one of them came after the whistle was blown. Right, 368 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: there was a fight at the end of the act. 369 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: Nuts people are over there celebrating someone from Spain leaves 370 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: a hug to go fight in this battle with Leandro 371 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: ended up getting a red card. He was being pretty 372 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: chippy throut. 373 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 374 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: I think that there were a lot of Spaniards who 375 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: wanted a piece of him during the game, but Spain 376 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: did a good job of staying whelmed. I'd say, like, 377 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: I think that we had a conversation on a previous 378 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 3: episode about if Argentina was getting favorable calls and they 379 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: did not today. I think that, but they got away 380 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: with a lot of let's say, chippiness, and I think 381 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 3: the referee did not exert himself into the game until 382 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: he absolutely had to draw the line, and both instances 383 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: he was right. He made the right calls. And I'm 384 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: interested to see what the end result of all of 385 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: this is going to be. I believe, you know, a 386 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: red card means often at three games, suspension or a 387 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: suspension of some sort. And it was clear Argentina was upset. 388 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 3: I think that naturally the way that the game progressed, 389 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: where they weren't able to touch the ball, they weren't 390 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: able to get a shot on goal. And then the 391 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: way that Nico Williams was able to you know, header 392 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: the ball to Baron Torres. Just an incredible goal and 393 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: incredible assist. And now you're playing nine on ten trying 394 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: to score the equalizer. It's just not going to work out, exactly. 395 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 2: I have all the fireworks going off in the back 396 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: in the background here, so we don't have all the 397 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: information right now as to what this will look like 398 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: for people will come success, this will look like, but 399 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: we all keep up with it. Your last thoughts on 400 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: this World Cup as well? 401 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: Right now. 402 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 5: I think that. 403 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: As I remember this World Cup, I remember going to 404 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 3: the Games, I remember feeling what this culture looks like. 405 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: But I will also say that this match, in particular, 406 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: Goat versus Prodigy, I'll remember it being like it was cool, 407 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: it wasn't over the top. And also I'm coming off 408 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: the high of France Argentina, you know, which is arguably 409 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: the greatest sporting match I have ever seen. 410 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 5: In the previous final. 411 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: I'll say it again three to one, arguably coming off 412 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: the greatest match that I had ever seen, which is 413 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two World Cup final France Argentina, and 414 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: I think that brought a lot of celebrities out, but 415 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: ultimately I think like this was a great tournament. 416 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 5: It was great to experience this culture. 417 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 3: I'm fascinated to see how this affects the MLS, how 418 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: it affects football slash soccer in America going forward. I 419 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: do expect the World Cup to be back, specifically in 420 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 3: the US in twenty thirty eight. It's great to have 421 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: the partnership with Canada's great to have the partnership with Mexico, 422 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: and I think they did a phenomenal job. 423 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 5: But I think when FIFA is going. 424 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: To negotiate eventually with the US again that whoever is 425 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: in office is going to be like, we have more 426 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: than enough facilities to have this all over the US. 427 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: I mean you think about the eleven US cities that 428 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: could have very easily been sixteen if FIFA wanted that. 429 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: So that's my prediction. It was a marvelous tournament. I 430 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 3: wish that it would have ended just a little bit higher, 431 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: but dominant teams aren't always the most exciting. 432 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, And I will say I 433 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: think that when the US fell out of the tournament, 434 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: there were a lot of doubts on what it could 435 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: do for soccer market in the US, and I. 436 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 4: Still feel that way. 437 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: But I do think when we look back and we 438 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: look at how much people brought their culture and brought 439 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: the soccer culture to the US, I think that might 440 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: really have a lot of lasting effect other than just 441 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: what happened. So this is the moment I've been dreading. 442 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: The World Cup is officially over. But that doesn't mean 443 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: we are. 444 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 4: Going to shut up about it. 445 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 5: No, we are not. 446 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: Throughout the next few weeks we will be discussing three 447 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: to one. 448 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 5: We will not. 449 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: Throughout the next few weeks we will be discussing the 450 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 3: legacy that this World Cup had, taking a look at 451 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: the economic impact that it had. 452 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 5: Taking a look at the economic impact, I'll just skip that. Two. No, 453 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 5: we will not. Throughout the next few weeks, we will 454 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 5: be three. Two No, we will not. 455 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: Throughout the next few weeks, we will be dissecting the 456 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 3: legacy that this World Cup had and taking a look 457 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: at the economic impact, what it did for the US 458 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: soccer audience, and just how much money FIFA made from 459 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: this tournament. 460 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: So make sure you continue to tune in for more 461 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: on the aftermath of the twenty twenty six People World 462 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: Cup and stay up to date on the latest stories 463 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: moving big money in the world of sports. 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