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Speaker 1: Aton him is our guest Roman. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you had potted the audio down or not. I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that Aton's clarification of I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: they haven't had the benefit of reading the articles yet.

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Speaker 1: He was the whistleblower who came forward to tell what

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Speaker 1: Texas Children's Hospital was doing at that time, and now

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Speaker 1: the FEDS are trying to ruin his life. I want

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Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to clear up what I

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Speaker 1: may have misstated at the end of that segment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So between March and twenty twenty two and when our

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Speaker 4: said they stopped. Our story came out on May sixteenth.

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Speaker 4: May seventeenth, the passage of SB fourteen would make it

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Speaker 3: These interventions, and then you know, I think maybe.

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Speaker 4: Ten fifteen days after that.

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Speaker 3: Was when the seal of the hospital.

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Speaker 4: Said that they would shut down their program. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: according to them, they had shut down the program after that.

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Speaker 4: So I would take them for their word. And just

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Speaker 3: I couldn't say that they had continued.

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Speaker 1: So so you're walking the hallways, you're working long hours,

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Speaker 1: When you would see these children, I mean, did you

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Speaker 1: it's like being a war report. You never you never

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Speaker 4: No, you know, I had never seen it, because if

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Speaker 3: But you know, I knew people.

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Speaker 4: Who did, and you know, they told me about it

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Speaker 1: Oh, do you have any idea how many doctors were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how does a doctor Maybe you can't answer,

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Speaker 1: How does a doctor overcome that? I mean, have you

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Speaker 4: You know it's I believe it has to do with

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Speaker 4: this underlying ideology. Right, People they want to have meaning

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the important thing is the green round Nisher

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Speaker 3: That's truly shocking, and because that's what they.

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Speaker 4: Along those lines. That's what I would think, because I

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Speaker 1: Aton, hold right there, Ayton him is our guest. He's

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Speaker 1: What about the details of what Rufo wrote and what

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Speaker 4: You know, it's the truth, the truth of what was happening.

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Speaker 4: All we had exposed, We had made public what these

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Speaker 4: So if these people were doing the same thing today

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Speaker 1: And so what happened to you? You you graduated, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had graduated and these federal agents had

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Speaker 1: And so what is your professional status right now? What

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Speaker 4: You know, I started my I'm you know, I started

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Speaker 4: So you know, I just did a case this morning,

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Speaker 3: And the more you see it, the more you.

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Speaker 1: You're meant to be intell. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love country, big fan.

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Speaker 1: You are something of an anomaly. You are an interesting character.

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Speaker 1: Aton time is our guest. I have just a few

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Speaker 1: wrap up questions for you. If you can hang with

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Speaker 1: me for one more segment, we will have more with

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Speaker 1: him if you have. If you've not yet read the

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Speaker 1: stories of this whistleblower at Texas Children's Hospital and now

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Speaker 1: the FEDS are trying to destroy his life, it is

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Speaker 1: both horrifying that they're doing this and absolutely empowering that

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Speaker 1: this man was willing, especially young in his career, to

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Speaker 1: be willing to do this. Go read the story. It's

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Speaker 1: quite interesting one of Disney Productions. A love budds Dean Jones,

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Speaker 1: as has been race driver Michael Barry funny hacker. That's

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Speaker 1: ramon the King of Dean suggested for general audiences. Eight

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Speaker 1: time Time is our guest. He was a young resident

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Speaker 1: at Texas Children's Hospital, prestigious institution in Houston, and they said,

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Speaker 1: in the early part of twenty twenty two, did Texas

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Speaker 1: children that they're not They're pausing, They're not doing the

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Speaker 1: sex changes on children. And a year later he realized

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Speaker 1: they are doing it. So he was the whistleblower and

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Speaker 1: Chris Rufo wrote the story, and the story a couple

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Speaker 1: of days before the Texas legislature voted on the bill,

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Speaker 1: and they voted, including Democrats, Hey, no more sex changes.

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Speaker 1: Don't change kids sex when they're too young to be

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Speaker 1: able to to change back. You're messing these kids up.

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Speaker 1: And now the Feds are trying to destroy his life

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Speaker 1: because he dared share the facts, which you know they

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Speaker 1: claimed this wasn't happening, but it was. So you've had

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Speaker 1: the lawyer up through all this. I mean you've had

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Speaker 1: to You've had to prepare for what could be something

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Speaker 1: really nasty against you by and the weight of the

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Speaker 1: federal government against you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the important thing for people to understand,

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Speaker 4: because we have to fight this because if this is

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Speaker 4: allowed to stand, if whisplowers like me can be silent,

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Speaker 4: then how hospitals can do whatever they want to whoever

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Speaker 4: they want, and any doctor or nurse who speaks out

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Speaker 4: and says something will be targeted by the federal advisan.

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Speaker 4: But we have to make sure that does not happen.

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Speaker 4: So we have to fight it, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: do it too to nail.

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Speaker 1: So I don't expect you to be an expert on

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Speaker 1: sex change procedures for children, but you do have an opinion,

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Speaker 1: and you have been on staff at Texas Children's Hospital

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Speaker 1: where you were resident. In your mind, what should happen

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Speaker 1: if a child does legitimately feel that they are a

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Speaker 1: girl trapped in a boy's body or vice versa. What

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Speaker 1: should be the approach? And I'm assuming then you know,

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Speaker 1: by the time they reach majority eighteen, then that becomes

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Speaker 1: their decision what they do. And they're very different at

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Speaker 1: eighteen than they are at nine or ten, So but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have some thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: I would say that in both children and adults.

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Speaker 4: I would disagree with it because the role of a doctor,

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Speaker 4: the role of medical therapy is to preserve naturally occurring physiology.

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Speaker 4: So we are created, whether you believe it is God

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Speaker 4: or evolution in a certain way, two legs, two arms,

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Speaker 4: you know, mouths, two eyes, and that is the naturally

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Speaker 4: occurring physiology we go towards. So whenever you feel sick

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Speaker 4: with the flu, you know you're sick because you're not

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Speaker 4: feeling like you normally do. Right, there's a deviation that's

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Speaker 4: like what I would classify disease pathology. So that's where

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Speaker 4: you have a doctor, you know, prescribe intervention to get

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Speaker 4: you back to that naturally occurring physiology. What this is

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Speaker 4: doing is taking someone from that baseline state of health,

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Speaker 4: natural occurring physiology, and permanently placing them into a state

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Speaker 4: of disease. And you might have the perception of short

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Speaker 4: term efficacy, but over the long run, it is untenable

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Speaker 4: to live something that is not true. And that's why

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Speaker 4: in both children and adults it should.

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Speaker 3: Not be done. Because if someone comes to my client and.

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Speaker 4: Say, you know, I feel like, you know, I was

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Speaker 4: not born to have eyes, so you know I need

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Speaker 4: affirmation that I will be happy without eyes. We would

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Speaker 4: never in a million years do that because you're you're

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Speaker 4: you would be destroying the naturally occurring physiology, which is

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Speaker 4: the natural goal of the physician. And these were these

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Speaker 4: are not my ideas, I mean, these are just this

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Speaker 4: was something that was written about by Arizotle. And and

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Speaker 4: you know he had written a lot about a lot,

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Speaker 4: but I mean some of his best work was about

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Speaker 4: the about medicine and the philosophy behind it. And you know,

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Speaker 4: our modern conception of medicine is based on that because

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Speaker 4: everything we do is meant to restore naturally occurring physiology.

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Speaker 1: I can only read from the article. We can't litigate

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Speaker 1: the case here. But one of the things that was

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Speaker 1: a point that was made in your defense is that

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Speaker 1: the screenshots of the clinic and operating room schedules that

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Speaker 1: they're heavily redacted, They don't include names. There's nothing that

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Speaker 1: would allow you to identify a patient. If you can't

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Speaker 1: reveal this having happened, based on it having happened, then

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't be They would basically be able to commit

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Speaker 1: crimes and nobody will be able to stop them because

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Speaker 1: to reveal that they were committing crimes would be to

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Speaker 1: subject yourself to a charge of violating the medical records laws.

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Speaker 1: So what they're trying to say is a hospital can

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Speaker 1: get away with whatever they want because if if a

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Speaker 1: physician reveals what happened, then we're going to destroy him.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what's what's happening here, right.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly the stakes because that's how they use it, right,

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Speaker 4: you know, they have these laws they and it's also where.

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Speaker 3: The process is the punishment right.

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Speaker 4: Where you know, yet they don't have anything right, It's

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Speaker 4: like there's there's nothing they can do right where it's

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Speaker 4: uh that we actually be included in this. But the

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Speaker 4: reason they do it is because.

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Speaker 3: The process is the punishment.

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Speaker 4: That's how you disincentimiles of people telling the truth in

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Speaker 4: these situations.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the process is the punishment. Is a

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Speaker 1: line I often use, whether it's the IRS, Department, Home

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Speaker 1: Lends Security, UH, the FBI, when a federal agency goes

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Speaker 1: in and investigates someone, or any agency goes in and

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Speaker 1: puts someone under an investigation that in and of itself

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Speaker 1: is a living hell, and it's tough. It is, It

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Speaker 1: is tough on that person. So whether they end up

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Speaker 1: convicting uh you know, at the end or not doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: because the punishment is done. You lose your innocence, you

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Speaker 1: lose your idealism, you lose a lot of your time

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Speaker 1: and treasure defending it. You're preparing for these things, You're

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Speaker 1: going to hearings, You're you're, you're preparing documents. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and you're you're in legal jeopardy. You're you're you're afraid, right,

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Speaker 1: You're you're going to bed scared. And this is as

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Speaker 1: you said, the process is the punishment. Even if they

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Speaker 1: never get a conviction and they don't care, it's a

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Speaker 1: day job for them. It's it's a pretty pretty tough deal.

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Speaker 1: I must say a toon him. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for your time and your perspective. But more importantly, thank

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Speaker 1: you on behalf of a lot of children who will

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Speaker 1: benefit from what you've done. Thank you for being willing

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Speaker 1: to speak out and be a whistle blower and put

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Speaker 1: yourself through this living hell. We need more aton time,

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Speaker 1: so your your mother should be very proud of you.

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Speaker 1: That's how we started our discussion, and that's how we'll

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Speaker 1: conclude it. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Sir, thank you, And do you mind if I add

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Speaker 4: one more thing? You know we we are we have

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Speaker 4: a gift thing go you know, Backslash Texas, Underscore, whistle

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Speaker 4: Blower and you know any support would you know? It

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Speaker 4: means more than work to describe.

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Speaker 1: So how do we do that? You go to Gibson go.

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Speaker 4: And then you know Backslash Texas and then Underscore, which

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Speaker 4: is like the lower line. You know, I have to

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Speaker 4: shift and then something and then whistle blower. But that's

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Speaker 4: or if you're typing my name tree to find it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah on Twitter, h I am. If someone wants to

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Speaker 4: help you, they're going to be able to find you.

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Speaker 4: I'm in trouble with my computer right now.

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Speaker 1: But yes, and I will announce that again next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you doctor him, Thank you, sir

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Speaker 4: M