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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Iran, shall we. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: start with this.
Speaker 3: We have got President Trump threatening to bomb Iran.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: You said that quote. If they don't make a deal,
Speaker 5: there will be bombing.
Speaker 3: It will be bombing the likes of which they have
Speaker 3: never seen before. If they don't make a deal, we're
Speaker 3: going to bomb them. Okay, well, bad news for everybody,
Speaker 3: because let's go and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 3: Things continue to go in a very bad direction here.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump yesterday tweeting or truthing I guess is how
Speaker 3: he says that the Iran backed who the terrorists, have
Speaker 3: been decimated by the relentless strikes over the past two weeks.
Speaker 1: Not true.
Speaker 3: Many of their fighters and leaders are no longer with us.
Speaker 3: We hit them every day and night, harder and harder.
Speaker 3: Their capabilities that threaten shipping in the region are rapidly
Speaker 3: being destroyed. Our attacks will continue until they are no
Speaker 3: longer a threat to freedom of navigation. The choice for
Speaker 3: the Hoothies is clear, stop shooting at US ships and
Speaker 3: we will stop shooting at you. Otherwise, we have only
Speaker 3: just begun and the real pain is yet to come
Speaker 3: for both the Hoothies and their sponsors in Iran. So
Speaker 3: remember that little signal Chat debate, all of that, that
Speaker 3: little signal Chat debate that preceded the first of what
Speaker 3: has now been a week or so of strikes. The
Speaker 3: attacks from the Hoothies have not continued, not stopped, literally
Speaker 3: at all. There does not appear to be any endgame.
Speaker 3: Trump said that he would hold Iran responsible. Now, I mean,
Speaker 3: he's basically as I think we said that here at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Now you're stuck between a.
Speaker 3: Rock and hard place because you issued the threat, you said,
Speaker 3: you will pay for this, and they didn't stop at all.
Speaker 3: As we also have tried to talk about here is
Speaker 3: what they don't have nearly the amount of control that
Speaker 3: we you know, in the press or whatever, and that
Speaker 3: America seems.
Speaker 1: To believe that these people do.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous that, yes, what do they provide them some
Speaker 3: weaponry and a little bit of support. Yeah, they've also
Speaker 3: been an independent Ish type organization fighting against the Saudis,
Speaker 3: you know and all them for more than a decade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have their own capability.
Speaker 3: And about these people survived literal bombing, starvation, like you
Speaker 3: think that these missiles are you know, miraculously can just
Speaker 3: solve the problem like this. There's like a theory that, oh,
Speaker 3: we the Biden administration didn't bomb them enough despite looking
Speaker 3: at the statistics, and bomb couldn't solved this. The Saudis
Speaker 3: would have solved it, you know, eight years ago. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's not good because you're setting us up for confrontation.
Speaker 3: And as he said at the original he said that
Speaker 3: we will bomb Iran if they don't make a deal.
Speaker 3: Well guess what they said, Yeah, we don't really want
Speaker 3: to talk to you, right.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that was the argument that was basically made
Speaker 2: the signal chat if I'm remembering correctly, of like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the Biden administration, they just let them get away with it,
Speaker 2: completely ignoring the way that the Biden administration pursued like
Speaker 2: basically the same strategy.
Speaker 5: And now, I mean we already see.
Speaker 2: The results, like they've been bombing them in whatever more
Speaker 2: aggressive way and leveling apartment buildings and whatever, and has
Speaker 2: it worked. No, of course not could put D three
Speaker 2: up on the screen. In terms of Iran's response, So
Speaker 2: NBC News says Trump's threat to bomb Ran would spark retaliation,
Speaker 2: according to their Supreme Leader around Supreme Leader Ayatola Ali
Speaker 2: Kamani said Monday, the US will receive a strong blow
Speaker 2: if it acts on Trump's threat to bomb Tehran unless
Speaker 2: it reaches a new nuclear deal with Washington. Trump reiterated
Speaker 2: his threat on Sunday. That's what we were talking about,
Speaker 2: and Supreme Leader says the enmity from the US and
Speaker 2: Israel has always been there. They threaten to attack us,
Speaker 2: which we don't think is very probable, but if they
Speaker 2: commit any mischief, they will surely receive a strong reciprocal blow.
Speaker 2: And if they are thinking of causing sedition inside the
Speaker 2: country as in past years, the Iranian people themselves will
Speaker 2: deal with them, speaking to you know some of the
Speaker 2: theoretical stirring up of domestic unrest within Iran that they
Speaker 2: believe that we are feilty of.
Speaker 5: Maybe we are, I don't really know for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the problem, is that we have set
Speaker 3: ourselves up now for potential confrontation where the President has
Speaker 3: spoken out and said if we don't make a deal, then.
Speaker 1: We're going to have bombs.
Speaker 3: Now, we also have an idiot national security advisor who
Speaker 3: continues to be in his job, who constantly is advocating
Speaker 3: for bombing Iran, and is somebody who we saw in
Speaker 3: the chat who's a brain dead moron talking about freedom
Speaker 3: of navigation, who obviously is trying to set us up
Speaker 3: for some sort of future military confrontation and quote holding
Speaker 3: them responsible as Trump has said. So at a certain
Speaker 3: point we have to take Trump and them seriously. And
Speaker 3: you are in a tight time frame. You have the
Speaker 3: Gaza stuff, you have the Gaza war which is popping off.
Speaker 3: Things are only going to get worse if we see
Speaker 3: mass expulsion, which we talkalked about previously, then you add
Speaker 3: on top of that with the Iran section, and you
Speaker 3: look at all of the people in the administration at
Speaker 3: the White House like Mike Wallace, Marco Ruby, and others
Speaker 3: who have talked a big game about bombing Iran, and
Speaker 3: what else can you conclude? And you see here from
Speaker 3: the Trump from the Iranian response, where they have their
Speaker 3: own domestic political situation. US pulling out of the deal
Speaker 3: burned them at a domestic political level and made it
Speaker 3: much more difficult for any Iranian leader to try and
Speaker 3: pursue that in terms of their own internal politics. So
Speaker 3: you really have two things coming here. I guess all
Speaker 3: you can hope for is that we're all bluffing. But
Speaker 3: that's not a good hope. That's not a good bet
Speaker 3: to make.
Speaker 2: I think also, what was revealing within the signal chat
Speaker 2: is you definitely do not get much sense that there's
Speaker 2: going to be much pushback on whatever the hawkish direction
Speaker 2: of the Trump administration was. There was the only voice
Speaker 2: that raised any concerns at all was Jadie Vance, and
Speaker 2: he quickly backs down once he realizes there's no one
Speaker 2: else in this chat that is Jeffrey Goldberg is not
Speaker 2: coming to bat for me on my side on this one.
Speaker 2: Are the people who are leaking to Jeffrey Goldberg going
Speaker 2: to go to bat against taking any sort of hawkish
Speaker 2: actions and escalatory actions. Quincy Institute for Responsible state Craft
Speaker 2: over on their blog, which is excellent by the way,
Speaker 2: they write really fantastic analyzes that are that are definitely
Speaker 2: worth reading. We can put this up on the screen.
Speaker 2: They have been tracking the increasing beating of the war drums,
Speaker 2: and the headline here is the war of the war
Speaker 2: over war with Iran has just begun. Trump says he
Speaker 2: wants a deal, but stakeholders in and outside of his
Speaker 2: administration are pushing for conflict. The first paragraph here reads,
Speaker 2: in recent weeks, many of the same neo conservative voices
Speaker 2: who pushed the US into Iraq are calling for strikes
Speaker 2: on Iran. Groups like the Foundation for Defensive Democracies and
Speaker 2: the Washington Institute for Gear East Policy are once again
Speaker 2: promoting confrontation, claiming that there may never be a better
Speaker 2: time to act. But this is a dangerous illusion that
Speaker 2: risk derailing what Donald Trump himself says he wants a deal,
Speaker 2: not another disaster war in the Middle East. I think
Speaker 2: that's a little pretty charitable to Trump, given that he's
Speaker 2: said he wants a deal but also threatened to bomb them.
Speaker 2: But you know, they're trying to write this in a
Speaker 2: way that would appeal to him and potentially, you know,
Speaker 2: some of his allies within the administration. But in any case,
Speaker 2: I thought it was important that they were tracking the
Speaker 2: way that these influential think tanks within Washington were increasingly
Speaker 2: pushing towards this confrontation, because as much as we would
Speaker 2: like those people to be irrelevant, they are not. They
Speaker 2: have a lot of allies within this administration, within every administration,
Speaker 2: who are listening to the case and making a similar
Speaker 2: case internally.
Speaker 3: Well, what I like about this Quincy Institute article is
Speaker 3: that it points out the foundation for DEFNDS democracies, the
Speaker 3: Washington Near Institute for Peace, and the op ed war
Speaker 3: that's currently happening in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere
Speaker 3: to shape a media environment. What people need to understand
Speaker 3: here too is, you know, when we previously had talked
Speaker 3: about the Jewish Insider publication and a lot of the
Speaker 3: war against these Erica first more appointees, people who are
Speaker 3: more restrainers.
Speaker 1: Do you know why they do that?
Speaker 3: It's all about shaping the environment to make it so
Speaker 3: that those people are uncomfortable in their meetings, or that
Speaker 3: people can use it as an excuse to silence them,
Speaker 3: or even you know, if their names are mentioned in
Speaker 3: a policy document, to begin to attack, and then to
Speaker 3: create this alternative ecosystem in the journal and on Twitter,
Speaker 3: you know, Barry Weiss and all these other folks who
Speaker 3: can just gin up the impression for a lot of
Speaker 3: these people that the public is actually on their side.
Speaker 3: So look right now, I mean, are we going to
Speaker 3: war with Iran? Let's really hope not. But the point
Speaker 3: is is that the ground is laid for something to
Speaker 3: pop off. Is that Trump has now made several decisions
Speaker 3: and the people around him are obviously advocating for this.
Speaker 3: There are off ramps. Steve Whitkoff, Send Steve over there,
Speaker 3: Send him to Iran. He made some comments in this
Speaker 3: Trump Tucker Carlson interview apparently which were noticed by the
Speaker 3: Iranians and they might be willing to talk with them.
Speaker 3: But watch how Steve got sidelined by the Israelis. I mean,
Speaker 3: they attacked the sh shit out of him. The reason
Speaker 3: why this ceasfire fell apart, I believe is because they
Speaker 3: were successfully able to Sideline Witcough and Adam into the
Speaker 3: same with a lot of the other voices in Washington.
Speaker 3: I mean, remember the guy who said we're not a
Speaker 3: client state of Israel. He's been you know, he's with
Speaker 3: the disappeared, he's down in that ice facility, Like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be him, not for the rest of
Speaker 3: my life. No, it's not funny, but it is like
Speaker 3: there's something to it. Right, he hasn't been on television
Speaker 3: since and you are watching, like as those people in
Speaker 3: the war on that is successful, and then the administration
Speaker 3: voices and all these other people. The more there's no
Speaker 3: accountability for folks like Mike Waltz, it would be it's
Speaker 3: very easy to see many of the mistakes of the
Speaker 3: first term get repeated and then you're never coming back
Speaker 3: from that well.
Speaker 2: And most of these people internally like they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're strivers.
Speaker 5: They want to stay in good standing.
Speaker 2: And they see the way that that dude, Adam Bowler
Speaker 2: is same that's was disappeared, and the way Steve Whitcoff
Speaker 2: was sidelined. So they're watching, they're reading this leaves of
Speaker 2: you know, who's able to sustain their position, and Mike
Speaker 2: Waltz with this giant buck up still gets to stay
Speaker 2: in place. So they're reading all of those tea leaves,
Speaker 2: just last thing in this block because it's.
Speaker 5: Just too good. Can't resist.
Speaker 2: So you guys know, there's a number of special elections today.
Speaker 2: There's the Wisconsin Supreme Court one. Ryan and Emiley will
Speaker 2: have full coverage of what happens in this. And then
Speaker 2: there's these two Florida special elections. One to film Matt
Speaker 2: Gates's seat, which looks like that's done deal for the Republicans.
Speaker 2: I don't see any nervousness around that one. But the
Speaker 2: other one to fill Mike Waltz's seat, has had a
Speaker 2: little more intrigue. You want to set this up, Sager,
Speaker 2: of this gentleman who is looking to replace Mike Walts
Speaker 2: on the Republican side in a plus thirty Trump district.
Speaker 2: And now this race is apparently close. I still think
Speaker 2: the Republican is very likely to win here, let's be clear,
Speaker 2: but the fact that there's nervousness about this at all
Speaker 2: is totally insane.
Speaker 3: Let's go and put it up there on the screen.
Speaker 3: Senator Randy Fine, he is a state senator.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Some of you may know that name if you spend
Speaker 3: any time online, guys, go ahead and put D five
Speaker 3: please up on the screen just so people can take
Speaker 3: a look. So here Trump says, America First Patriot, Randy
Speaker 3: Fine is running to represent the wonderful people of Florida
Speaker 3: sixth Congressional District. Highly successful. Blah blah blah. He has
Speaker 3: my complete total endorsement. Now let's look at some past
Speaker 3: statements for mister Fine. Quote, it's time for Israel to
Speaker 3: destroy Iran. This was on October first of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Bombs away. Go to the next one, so you guys
Speaker 3: can see here he is.
Speaker 1: He put this out. He's not even a shame.
Speaker 3: This is a photo of him in his office where
Speaker 3: he has the Israeli flag prominently next to the American flag.
Speaker 3: I would note actually the American or the Israeli flag
Speaker 3: is actually in a more prominent position in the picture
Speaker 3: than the American flag.
Speaker 5: And then second, American first Patriot.
Speaker 3: There's somebody who says you should be ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 3: How do you sleep at night with a photo of
Speaker 3: a dead baby in Gaza, to which he required applies
Speaker 3: quite well. Actually, thanks for the pick. So that's who
Speaker 3: we're dealing with. That's who is mister america First Patriot
Speaker 3: and gets to some of our debate earlier about the
Speaker 3: whole Anti Semitism task Force and how this term has
Speaker 3: become effectively meaningless in the Trump administration. There's major war
Speaker 3: obviously online. There's a lot of influencers who are willing
Speaker 3: to call him out. But let's be honest. I mean,
Speaker 3: Trump has endorsed this guy, and just the other day
Speaker 3: he endorsed Lindsay Graham.
Speaker 1: This is the reality of who we're dealing with here.
Speaker 2: There's no ideological consistency. It's just about who, you know,
Speaker 2: he thinks is going to be the most loyal soldier.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, Randy Fine is america First Patriot, even
Speaker 2: as he's you know, got his Israeli flagged, I go
Speaker 2: front and center and is monstrously totally comfortable with babies
Speaker 2: being killed in Gaza. This week, Elon Musk took time
Speaker 2: on of his vote buying spree to announce a new
Speaker 2: lie about supposed security fraud. Now, this lie happens to
Speaker 2: kill two birds with one stone, serving as it does,
Speaker 2: to feed his attacks on social security, which he of
Speaker 2: course derives as a Ponzi scheme and his attacks on
Speaker 2: our electoral system, portraying it as being rife with fraud.
Speaker 2: Take a listen to Elon's longtime close associate and new
Speaker 2: Social Security official Antonio Grassias. He is claiming that millions
Speaker 2: of non citizens are receiving Social Security cards and that
Speaker 2: the existence of these immigrant social Security cards is proof
Speaker 2: that they're receiving fraudulent benefits and that Democrats were allowing
Speaker 2: non citizens to vote in order to rig elections. Listen
Speaker 2: to what he has to say, and then I'll tell
Speaker 2: you the facts on the other side.
Speaker 6: This is what jumped out at us when we saw
Speaker 6: these numbers. We're like, what is this? In twenty one
Speaker 6: you see two hundred and seventy thousand people goes all
Speaker 6: the way to two point one million and twenty four
Speaker 6: These are non citizens that are getting Social K numbers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a mind blowing charge. People sometimes think
Speaker 7: that under the Biden administration that he was simply asleep
Speaker 7: with the switch. Who wasn't a sleep They weren't a
Speaker 7: sleep at the switch. It was a massive, large scale
Speaker 7: program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to
Speaker 7: change the entire voting map. Of the United States and
Speaker 7: disenfranchise the American people and make it a permanent, deep blue,
Speaker 7: one party state from which there would be no escape.
Speaker 6: Look, if I hadn't seen this myself, I'm not trying
Speaker 6: to believe it. I went through it myself and mapped it.
Speaker 6: And Elon is right. This is true that defaults in
Speaker 6: the system, from Social Security to all of the benefit
Speaker 6: programs have been set to max inclusion, max pay for
Speaker 6: these people, and minimum collection. That's what's happening. We found
Speaker 6: one point three million of them already on Medicaid as
Speaker 6: an example. We've gone through on every benefit program we
Speaker 6: went through, we found groups from this particular group of people,
Speaker 6: this five point five million people in those benefit programs.
Speaker 6: And then what was really really disturbing us was why
Speaker 6: we're asking ourselves why. And so we actually just took
Speaker 6: a sample and looked at voter registration records, and we
Speaker 6: found people here registered to vote in this population, Yes,
Speaker 6: ed who did vote, And we found some by sampling
Speaker 6: that actually did vote. And we have referred them to
Speaker 6: prosecution at the Home mad Security Investigation Service. Yeah, already already,
Speaker 6: that is already happening.
Speaker 2: All right, So you should take all of those claims
Speaker 2: with a lot of skepticism. But here's what you should
Speaker 2: know about the facts with regard to immigrants and Social Security.
Speaker 2: So legal immigrants can apply for Social Security numbers is
Speaker 2: through a program. One of the programs is called Enumeration
Speaker 2: beyond Entry, so they can work and pay taxes, which,
Speaker 2: of course you want people to be paying taxes. Here
Speaker 2: is what those particular Social Security cards look like. You
Speaker 2: can see that they say valid for work only with
Speaker 2: DHS authorization, meaning that they explicitly bar voting intellections, which
Speaker 2: is of course a right reserved in our constitution for citizens.
Speaker 5: Having a Social.
Speaker 2: Security card also doesn't guarantee you social Security benefits. Only
Speaker 2: those who qualify pay into the program are then eligible
Speaker 2: for benefits. Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars into Social
Speaker 2: Security every year, but they don't receive Social Security numbers
Speaker 2: and they are not eligible for benefits. Grossius also claims
Speaker 2: that some of these non citizens with Social Security numbers
Speaker 2: are voting and have been referred for prosecution.
Speaker 5: I'll believe that when I see it.
Speaker 2: Republicans have been on a decades long quest to find
Speaker 2: mass voter fraud, especially among non citizens, and undocumented immigrants,
Speaker 2: and they have completely failed. You might recall in Trump's
Speaker 2: first term, he was very salty that Hillary Clinton had
Speaker 2: won the popular vote, so he claimed that millions of
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants had voted illegally for him, and he went
Speaker 2: so far as to appoint Chris Kobock to a commission
Speaker 2: that was charged with locating this fraud.
Speaker 5: They completely failed.
Speaker 2: In the end, the commission quietly closed up shop without
Speaker 2: finding a single instance of illegal alien voting, let alone
Speaker 2: the millions that Trump claimed. A draft of that commission's
Speaker 2: final report was revealed. It contained nothing more than a
Speaker 2: list of blank categories of potential fraud. Not one instance
Speaker 2: had ever actually been identified. Now, Elon's lies about social
Speaker 2: security and voter fraud, though, are non out stupidity. They're
Speaker 2: part of a larger coordinated plan, the other piece of
Speaker 2: which clicked into place last week. So somewhat lost the
Speaker 2: mid last week's Signal Gate debacle, Trump signed an executive
Speaker 2: order on elections. Now, the bulk of what the order
Speaker 2: demanded is actually illegal. In particularly, the order requires that
Speaker 2: voters not only attest to their citizenship, which they must
Speaker 2: already do, but also provide some documentary proof, something like
Speaker 2: a passport. This is directly at odds with the National
Speaker 2: Voter Registration Act. In fact, Arizona previously tried to add
Speaker 2: such a requirement and had their laws struck down by
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court in a seven to two ruling. What's more,
Speaker 2: Constitution makes clear that what election rules are not left
Speaker 2: to the states are to be handled by Congress, not
Speaker 2: by the executive branch. But what really caught my eye
Speaker 2: on the executive order wasn't so much the proof of
Speaker 2: citizenship requirement, which, like I said, is probably going to
Speaker 2: be blocked from being fully implemented. It was the announcement
Speaker 2: that Trump is putting Elon Musk's doge at the center
Speaker 2: of our elections. So the TLDR is this, This executive
Speaker 2: order would put the richest man on the planet, who
Speaker 2: is obviously a radicalized partisan, in a position to say
Speaker 2: who gets a vote and who does not get a vote,
Speaker 2: and his say would be enforced by a Trump administration
Speaker 2: that has already proved itself ready and willing to put
Speaker 2: states through hell in order to force their compliance. It's
Speaker 2: a playbook for shifting the country from a democracy towards
Speaker 2: what some experts call a hybrid regime. Where we may
Speaker 2: still have democratic institutions in form but not really truly
Speaker 2: in substance. Now, Elon's repeated lies about non citizens voting
Speaker 2: and Trump's executive order giving Elons say over who can vote,
Speaker 2: or a coordinated effort to hobble democracy. All right, here's
Speaker 2: the key provision. You can see it there up on
Speaker 2: the screen. Apartment of Homeland Security and coordination with the
Speaker 2: DOSEE Administrator shall review each state's publicly available voter registration
Speaker 2: list and available records concerning voter list maintenance activities as
Speaker 2: required by this section, alongside federal immigration databases and state
Speaker 2: records requested through subpoenaware necessary and authorized by law for
Speaker 2: consistency with federal requirements. So what that means in plain
Speaker 2: language is that it's directing the DOGE administrator to review
Speaker 2: every state's voter registration list using subpoenas if necessary, to
Speaker 2: force the states to hand over their data to identify
Speaker 2: lists of supposedly non compliant voters. Now, similar efforts have
Speaker 2: been tried at a smaller scale on the state level,
Speaker 2: and so we can know what the expected results would be.
Speaker 2: Here's investigative journalist Greg Pallis talking about how state efforts
Speaker 2: to match voter rolls and make sure the same people
Speaker 2: weren't registered in multiple states has ended up in practicality,
Speaker 2: in mass disenfranchisement.
Speaker 8: One of the things that they want to apparently want
Speaker 8: to resurrect is a Chris Koback. Again, this is the
Speaker 8: right wing ag who's really the brains behind the Heritage
Speaker 8: Foundation and Trump administration attack on voter rolls. And he
Speaker 8: had a program which was struck down by the courts,
Speaker 8: and I'll take some credit for that because of my
Speaker 8: exposey and Rolling Stone and called interstate crosscheck. Now what
Speaker 8: this is is they take lists of voters from two states,
Speaker 8: Arizona and Texas, and they say, oh, Jose Rnandez voted
Speaker 8: in Arizona, and there's a Jose Nandez voted in Texas.
Speaker 8: It must be the same guy voting twice. So we're
Speaker 8: going to remove their registrations because we have a double
Speaker 8: registered voter. Now you might say, well, Jose Ornandez is
Speaker 8: a common name, it's not necessarily for a Republican. But
Speaker 8: so here's the story. So they were literally they Chris
Speaker 8: Kobach created lists cross check lists of names state to state.
Speaker 8: For example, they said one guy named James Brown, and
Speaker 8: Georgia voted two hundred and thirty eight times. I'm not
Speaker 8: making this up, by the way, So they remove all
Speaker 8: these James Brown's, they know what they're doing, by the way.
Speaker 8: Hit fun fact, ninety percent of them, of all of
Speaker 8: the one hundred most common surnames in America, ninety percent
Speaker 8: our majority minority names.
Speaker 2: So what's more, Kansas also instituted that proof of citizenship
Speaker 2: requirement back in twenty eleven. The goal the stated goal
Speaker 2: was to root out mass voting by immigrants. They found
Speaker 2: next to none of that, but they did keep thirty
Speaker 2: one thousand eligible US citizens from being able to cast ballots.
Speaker 2: That was twelve percent of the entire population that was
Speaker 2: trying to register during the relevant period. Now dojan Ai.
Speaker 2: Obviously they could put those efforts on steroids. And remember
Speaker 2: Elon's mindset here, his ketamine adult brain thinks he's on
Speaker 2: some civilizational mission to save humanity. He has already demonstrated
Speaker 2: his willingness to do anything from letting the elderly starve
Speaker 2: without social Security payments to sacrificing kids with HIV in Africa,
Speaker 2: to define court orders and running roughshod over our constitutional system.
Speaker 5: In order to accomplish his goals.
Speaker 2: Now, the same way Doje hacked into the Treasury, dough
Speaker 2: has been given now the green light to hack into
Speaker 2: our national election systems and bend the voter rolls to
Speaker 2: Elon's will. Do you think he's going to carefully root
Speaker 2: out fraud?
Speaker 5: Of course not.
Speaker 2: We've seen the insane, dishonest, and bungling ways that Elon
Speaker 2: and Doge operate. They claimed millions were going to condoms
Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip, complete lie. They claimed research money
Speaker 2: was funding transgender mice.
Speaker 5: Another lie.
Speaker 2: They claimed the Department of the Interior spent a billion
Speaker 2: dollars on a single survey, also a lie. He is
Speaker 2: literally the number one liar on his own platform in
Speaker 2: the entire world, and trust me, people, it is a
Speaker 2: very high barrow over there. So he and his zapparajects
Speaker 2: will get access to all his voter data. It's been
Speaker 2: a remarkable fairy tale of mass fraud and we get
Speaker 2: a huge purge of legitimate voters now. Traditionally, these voter
Speaker 2: suppression effort efforts target black voters because they are the
Speaker 2: most likely to vote for Democrats. But if Elon wanted to,
Speaker 2: he could use AI to get even fancier. He's got
Speaker 2: plenty of data pull up form across the federal government
Speaker 2: to discern who is a Democratic voter and who's a
Speaker 2: Republican voter with a very high level of certainty.
Speaker 5: He will run through.
Speaker 2: The data and in an intentionally dishonest and idiotic way,
Speaker 2: as doshe done at Social Security in other places, he
Speaker 2: will meant to present to states a list of voters
Speaker 2: that they should block. Now, Republican led states, they are
Speaker 2: likely to go along enthusiastically with this plan and with
Speaker 2: Elon's efforts to purge voter roles of suspected Democrats. And
Speaker 2: there are plenty of swing districts in Republican led states.
Speaker 2: So what about the Democratic states? How will they react? Well,
Speaker 2: Trump has already proven willing to use the entire federal
Speaker 2: government apparatus to bully democratic states into going along with
Speaker 2: his dictates. He and Elon will likely provide the narrative
Speaker 2: fuel by loudly and repeatedly claiming that the resistance of
Speaker 2: these states to purging voter roles is because they're corrupt
Speaker 2: and want to keep their elections rigged. This is, of
Speaker 2: course a complete inversion of the truth, as Elon and
Speaker 2: Trump's efforts will be directly aimed at rigging the results
Speaker 2: for Republicans. Now, I don't know how these states would
Speaker 2: ultimately react. I guess most will resist, although civil society
Speaker 2: and Democratic Party resistance to Trump two point zero has
Speaker 2: been less than inspiring. But twenty seven states have Republican governors.
Speaker 2: They're going to try to do whatever Trump and Elon
Speaker 2: want them to do. And even if only these states
Speaker 2: fell in line, you could be talking about tens millions
Speaker 2: of voters kicked off of the voter rules and blocked
Speaker 2: from the ballot box. Not to mention that the whole
Speaker 2: loud effort, amplified on x and by every brain dead
Speaker 2: MAGA influencer in the world to cast every race as
Speaker 2: rigged is going to be deeply damaging to our ability
Speaker 2: to persist as a democracy, since that status does depend
Speaker 2: on people broadly accepting election results as fair, and that too,
Speaker 2: is really part of the goal. Now, watching the Trump
Speaker 2: administration and action, you sometimes get the feeling they really
Speaker 2: don't think they're ever going to have to face voters again.
Speaker 2: After all, they are brazenly attacking the most popular programs
Speaker 2: in the country, like Social Security and medicaid, they are
Speaker 2: pushing an economic policy that is threatening a system wide collapse.
Speaker 2: They're threatening new, wildly unpopular wars in places like Mexico
Speaker 2: and Greenland, and complete ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Yet not
Speaker 2: only are the midterms just around the electoral corner, but
Speaker 2: Trump himself is promising to run for a third term.
Speaker 2: Elon's lies and Trump's Executive Order the first hints of
Speaker 2: a potential playbook to make sure voters never truly get
Speaker 2: the final say. And I thought the way that the
Speaker 2: Executive Order was covered last week.
Speaker 3: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,
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Speaker 2: So Bernie and AOC have been out making huge waves
Speaker 2: with their stop Oligarchy tour. So to talk about that
Speaker 2: in the future of the Democratic Party and all things
Speaker 2: in that direction. Very likely to be joined this morning
Speaker 2: by Fashikira. He is an advisor to Bernie Sanders and
Speaker 2: also be founder and executive director of More Perfect Union,
Speaker 2: a fantastic news website. Great to see you fast, always
Speaker 2: great to see you christ Yeah, of course, So let's
Speaker 2: put some of these images up on the screen. I
Speaker 2: mean this has been extraordinary to see the number of
Speaker 2: people who have come out for these rallies really coast
Speaker 2: to coast. You're talking tens of thousands of people. You
Speaker 2: probably know the numbers better than I do, but my
Speaker 2: understanding is one of the rallies was larger than any
Speaker 2: of the ones that Bernie was giving when he was
Speaker 2: running for president, either in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Just talk to us a little bit about what the
Speaker 2: energy has been and who it is predominantly that is
Speaker 2: showing up to the Stop Oligarchy Tour.
Speaker 9: Yeah, when we're in Tucson, we had about twenty three
Speaker 9: thousand show up and Senator Sanders and I were driving
Speaker 9: in the car along the line and he was shocked
Speaker 9: to look at the line and say, there's a lot
Speaker 9: of older people here too. Because we're used to a
Speaker 9: very progressive audience, people of color, younger people, working class people,
Speaker 9: and then we saw a lot a lot of older people.
Speaker 9: And I think when you look at the older people too,
Speaker 9: it's across the board of their ideological spectrum. You can
Speaker 9: sense at somebody's rallies. When Senator Sanders is talking, you
Speaker 9: see some older white men kind of standing their arms crossed,
Speaker 9: not really angry, not really excited, but just like observing
Speaker 9: and listening, and you know that they voted for Donald
Speaker 9: Trump or they didn't vote at all. So I think
Speaker 9: we are reaching people that we just didn't reach in
Speaker 9: the twenty twenty primary. And I think, you know, the
Speaker 9: observation on that there's many fold. One is if you
Speaker 9: have that many people, thirty four thousand show up in Denver,
Speaker 9: why they know that Bernie Sanders is running for president
Speaker 9: of the United States? What's going on there in the
Speaker 9: sense that these people people are not done, they're almost
Speaker 9: they're making they're registering a vote at a time when
Speaker 9: there isn't a vote to say, hey, there's a populis
Speaker 9: revolt in this nation. You guys in DC might not
Speaker 9: see it, you don't care, but I'm going to show
Speaker 9: up for this guy right now in this place to
Speaker 9: tell you to send you care that you are off course.
Speaker 9: And that's a message to both parties, I think. And
Speaker 9: then related to that is the sense that we've got
Speaker 9: politics all wrong and we get into this discourse, which
Speaker 9: is the left right prism you know, of understanding politics
Speaker 9: versus the top versus nine nine percent prism, which is
Speaker 9: the way we should be observing politics. But too often
Speaker 9: we get into this left versus right, which suggests that
Speaker 9: Bernie is quote unquote far left right. You know you're
Speaker 9: missing this. He's an iconic class of a top versus
Speaker 9: the bottom fighter, and that's why he's very popular at
Speaker 9: the moment.
Speaker 3: Cos let me ask you this basic question, what is
Speaker 3: the purpose of these rallies?
Speaker 1: Is it a political movement?
Speaker 3: If I think back to the Tea Party, it was
Speaker 3: a revolution against the Republican Party establishment. But I haven't
Speaker 3: seen yet any calls for primaries. If anything, I've seen,
Speaker 3: you know, not explicit. We've seen some call out of leadership,
Speaker 3: et cetera, but nothing even approaching twenty ten levels.
Speaker 9: What is it coming? Okay, well break it down for
Speaker 9: so so I don't want to get too far ahead
Speaker 9: of where Senator Sanders is on this, but I promise
Speaker 9: you he's in a mode of wanting to recruit candidates
Speaker 9: to run for office all the way up and down
Speaker 9: the ticket, and you may be seeing more from us
Speaker 9: in that regard, not just to your point, in primaries
Speaker 9: against Democrats, which is certainly an area of interest for him,
Speaker 9: and also is independent candidates. I mean he's very enamored
Speaker 9: by and supportive of, you know, Dan Osborne when he
Speaker 9: ran for Senate, and we're hopeful he'll do it again.
Speaker 9: But as an independent, are there other working class people
Speaker 9: who'd be able to run, would want to run, throw
Speaker 9: their hat in the ring, And obviously, you know, I
Speaker 9: think he'd be interested in trying to support those candidates
Speaker 9: to the extent that they wanted Center Sanders support. So
Speaker 9: that's the kind of a razure hand ask that's going
Speaker 9: to be coming, I think in the near future from
Speaker 9: Senator Sanders. But also, like you know, I think he's
Speaker 9: been urging and again shift too far ahead of urging
Speaker 9: people to run in various open you know, primaries, whether
Speaker 9: they're you know, you look at some of the Senacs
Speaker 9: that are out, they're going to be primaries, as you know.
Speaker 9: And so he's making calls talking to people saying, hey,
Speaker 9: get into this race, offer an alternative. Let's not assume
Speaker 9: that the establishment has you their pick and it's just
Speaker 9: going to run down the line. And behind the scenes,
Speaker 9: he's also telling the Democratic Caucus centershoomer, hey, I'm going
Speaker 9: to get involved in these We're going to have primaries.
Speaker 9: I don't want to see super PACs being dumping millions
Speaker 9: of dollars to put their finger on the scale and
Speaker 9: fight progressive candidates again, and so that conversation is also
Speaker 9: happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: So as my sense and I love to get your
Speaker 2: reflections on this, is that you know, the energy in
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, which is increasingly the basic the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party is increasingly disgusted with Democratic leadership for what they
Speaker 2: perceive and I think accurately so as.
Speaker 5: A lack of fight.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that that is particularly ideological since
Speaker 2: it is you know, Bernie and AOC, among others, Jasmine Crockett,
Speaker 2: who is progressive on some issues but not as much
Speaker 2: as a like firm lefty as Bernie and AOC are,
Speaker 2: but they are predominantly the ones who are filling the void.
Speaker 2: So how do you think this shakes out in terms
Speaker 2: of the direction of the future of the Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: both in terms of twenty six and the type of
Speaker 2: candidates that are likely to find appeal in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 9: AOC has been a fantastic partner, no doubt, and she's
Speaker 9: been huge for getting us, you know, the attention and
Speaker 9: focus on this. I would also say some things that
Speaker 9: overlook sometimes in the way we built these events. It's
Speaker 9: you know, you had Mark Pokin and one when we're
Speaker 9: in out in Wisconsin and Kenosha Di, Sean Fain and
Speaker 9: Warren Michigan with us. Jimmy Williams, who's the head of
Speaker 9: the Painters Union, spoke in Denver. We had alvaa Badoya
Speaker 9: fired by Donald Trump speak in Denver. You get out,
Speaker 9: you know, I think Adelita Grihalva, who's now going to
Speaker 9: run for cron Congress, spoke at our Tucson rally. So
Speaker 9: we're trying to do our partner, and I promise you
Speaker 9: when we get into some of these other stays. We're
Speaker 9: going to la on Friday or Saturday, April twelfth, then
Speaker 9: you've got you know, some others come in shortly after that.
Speaker 9: I want to preview some of those, but there's gonna
Speaker 9: We're trying to make sure those who are interested in
Speaker 9: a kind of populous revole populous fight see the issues
Speaker 9: of concentration of wealth and power. The door is open.
Speaker 9: I mean, we we do know that there's people who
Speaker 9: may not have supported Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty. It
Speaker 9: may not have been their cup of tea you take
Speaker 9: to somebody like a Chris Murphy. You know, it's clearly
Speaker 9: moving in the direction of wanting to suggest you know,
Speaker 9: they're they're fighting, they're interested in fighting concentrations of wealth
Speaker 9: and power. And if that's the case, you know, the
Speaker 9: door is open. Please contact me if you don't know,
Speaker 9: if that is at Bernie Sanders dot com, always welcome.
Speaker 9: You know you want to be in it. But we're
Speaker 9: trying to make this as expansive a movement as possible.
Speaker 9: To the point that Sager was raising, you know, it
Speaker 9: is an opportunity to do recruitment, especially knowing that you know,
Speaker 9: unlikely Bernie Sanders wants for president again, but he said
Speaker 9: he's trying to build this class consciousness in America. Now
Speaker 9: is the moment's let's expand.
Speaker 3: Because where does your confidence come from that this can
Speaker 3: become an ideological project? There was I mean, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: if I'm being blunt, it seems to me like a
Speaker 3: lot of people just hate Elon and hate Trump. I
Speaker 3: think that's fine. It's America. You can do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: But you guys have been doing and working on this
Speaker 3: for what fifteen twenty years now at this point, so
Speaker 3: where does your confidence come that somebody who shows up
Speaker 3: with a I hate Elon sign or something like that
Speaker 3: actually cares at all about let's say, taxing the rich.
Speaker 9: I'm not fully there on the level of confidence, but
Speaker 9: I would say to you, Sager, you know, we live
Speaker 9: through occupying other things where you did see moments of
Speaker 9: you know, a populous revolt of the kind I do
Speaker 9: think in this moment that if you take those as
Speaker 9: moments where you're building building building, I think we're at
Speaker 9: a higher moment now and understanding I mean the hubrisk,
Speaker 9: the kind of exploitation degree that slaps you across the
Speaker 9: face and the form of elon is particularly galling, and
Speaker 9: it has a way of mobilizing people. To your point,
Speaker 9: we're not doing our job fully though, if we haven't
Speaker 9: gotten to the place of how in the ways in
Speaker 9: which you have a rig corporate power over the economic
Speaker 9: structure of America, how are we best confronting that. You know,
Speaker 9: you see the discourse on tariffs now ticket Master. It's
Speaker 9: still I worry a little bit that the a liberal
Speaker 9: left who gets angry about, you know, rightly so about
Speaker 9: wrongful deportations isn't as enervated and motivated yet about the
Speaker 9: outsourcing of jobs problem, the tax code issues, the deprivations
Speaker 9: of healthcare. I think people are head of the Democratic Party,
Speaker 9: but you do need leaders, and Bernie Sanders has been
Speaker 9: an iconoclastic leader, and Sean Fain, there's some other stepping out.
Speaker 9: I'd like more of those. And that to your point, Sager,
Speaker 9: if I'm raising appropriate level of skepticism alongside where your
Speaker 9: comments where I'm saying we don't have enough of them yet,
Speaker 9: but this is an opportunity to be a breeding ground.
Speaker 9: I will say that you know Josh Wiel who's running
Speaker 9: in Florida, when you called and asked for Senator Sanders endorsement,
Speaker 9: I mean this is a guy who's who is running
Speaker 9: in a very kind of class based, populous way that
Speaker 9: I think if you're running in Florida any time over
Speaker 9: the last decade, and I don't think you even call
Speaker 9: Bernie Sanderson as for endorsement, I don't know if you've
Speaker 9: even run in this particular way. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 9: there's moments, there's glimmers, there's ways in which people are
Speaker 9: talking and thinking in different ways. I'm hopeful that there's
Speaker 9: more leaders though, who want to build a class based movement,
Speaker 9: got it.
Speaker 2: So there are a few different strains that are competing
Speaker 2: for ideological space within the Democratic Party. And it's not
Speaker 2: even that these strains are necessarily mutually exclusive. But you
Speaker 2: have the stop oligarchy frame, which really, you know, it
Speaker 2: is the ninety nine percent versus the one percent, top
Speaker 2: versus bottom. You know, that I think explains a lot
Speaker 2: of what's happening in our country, specifically with regards to
Speaker 2: what this administration is doing. There's a variant of that
Speaker 2: which focuses more on antitrust and corporate monopolies are sort
Speaker 2: of embodied politically by Elizabeth Warren, by Lena Khan that
Speaker 2: wing of the party. And then you have a of
Speaker 2: new entrant, which is the abundance concept, which is co
Speaker 2: authored the book co authored by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson,
Speaker 2: and Ezra has been both of them have been doing
Speaker 2: media tour. We had Derek here to talk about the
Speaker 2: books and his ideas as well. And Ezra explained some
Speaker 2: of the concept behind this in a recent interview with
Speaker 2: John Stewart that got a lot of attention. Let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and take a listen to a bit of what
Speaker 2: he had to say so.
Speaker 4: For a oral broadband, for instance, what you end up
Speaker 4: having is a fourteen stage process, like there's a period
Speaker 4: where the Commerce Department needs to drop a map of
Speaker 4: which parts of the country don't have the right amount
Speaker 4: of broadband, and then there's a challenge period on the
Speaker 4: map and dah da da da da da da da,
Speaker 4: and fifty six states and jurisdictions try to apply for
Speaker 4: this money. And again this passes. At the end of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, they have time. By the end of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, three have got into the end of
Speaker 4: the process. They were trying three of these fifties.
Speaker 5: Yes, end of the process, meaning they've actioned it, they've
Speaker 5: built it, or they've they've.
Speaker 4: Got Of course I didn't mean they thought that, John, Sorry,
Speaker 4: I was so good I confused you. They just got
Speaker 4: to the point where in theory they could get the
Speaker 4: money to build.
Speaker 1: They had been approved for the money.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, basically, so Faz, Basically I'm asking you to
Speaker 2: wait into the abundance discourse. What are your thoughts and
Speaker 2: do you see it as complimentary to the framing that
Speaker 2: that you and Bernie and myself share. Do you feel
Speaker 2: like this is a competing project that could supplant the
Speaker 2: top versus bottom framework that that you you know, have
Speaker 2: been talking about.
Speaker 9: It could be either TVD. I haven't read the book,
Speaker 9: talked to a little bit about it. I tend to
Speaker 9: agree on the bureaucratic morass that we do have. We
Speaker 9: have inefficiencies and government. We have inefficiencies in the corporate
Speaker 9: sector that often, you know, this is the middleman economy
Speaker 9: that we've talked about. You know, Ticketmaster as a middleman
Speaker 9: just jacking up fees, jump fees that we've talked about
Speaker 9: for many times. It also happens in government. You've got
Speaker 9: middle men doing things that are stopping progress. And I
Speaker 9: tend to see a lot of those middlemen, the bureaucrats
Speaker 9: as in the corporate sector of the profit seeking and
Speaker 9: government their risk aversion. They're just like, oh, well, I
Speaker 9: don't want to get blamed if we built broadband in
Speaker 9: the wrong place. So, like you're eighteen, lawyers will descend
Speaker 9: on the scene and give you, you know, different judgments about
Speaker 9: how best not to get something done. That is, there
Speaker 9: is a problem in government. But I will say that
Speaker 9: if we're rank ordering things about the major things I
Speaker 9: want to tackle, it is the prevalence of corporate power,
Speaker 9: and it's greed over both the economy and the political system.
Speaker 9: And to some degree, when I hear some of Abundant's
Speaker 9: friends talk, I'm like, are we getting at the political
Speaker 9: corruption problem? Do we understand that some of these are
Speaker 9: Joe Manchin working with you know, his corporate actors to
Speaker 9: write in provisions that make it near impossible to execute
Speaker 9: a bipartisan infrastrucure alaw. Do we understand that there's corporate
Speaker 9: corrupt netflike political corruption? And I want to see a
Speaker 9: good progressive is one who wants to tackle not only
Speaker 9: corporate concentrations of power, but when government is inefficient. And
Speaker 9: I think we've lost that DNA. I mean, I know
Speaker 9: Bertie Sanders has, if there aren't many who say, I
Speaker 9: want to come in and tackle governments in efficiency. That's
Speaker 9: why Bertie is called long call for cutting defense budget,
Speaker 9: auditing the FED. These kinds of things are not in
Speaker 9: the mainstream of democratic thought, but I would urge them
Speaker 9: to be to dig in and understand having a good
Speaker 9: idea is only half the battle. You've got to execute
Speaker 9: that idea and understand that there's going to be a
Speaker 9: lot of choke points that have now been created by economists,
Speaker 9: by lawyers, by accountants. These are and by moneyed interests
Speaker 9: to prevent good things from happening.
Speaker 2: That is all well said, Faz, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for checking in with us. We really appreciate you taking
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Thanks man, Thank you guys. Appreciate you guys time to
Speaker 3: check in now. On the tabloid section of Breaking Points.
Speaker 3: Just can't resist this one.
Speaker 1: We have got the baby Mama drama involving.
Speaker 3: Ashley Saint Claire, who alleged that she has a child
Speaker 3: fathered by Elon Musk. She recently called the Paparazza. People
Speaker 3: are speculating that she called the paparazzi as she sold
Speaker 3: a tesla that was given to her to Carvana, saying
Speaker 3: that she needs to make up for the cut child
Speaker 3: support from Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 9: I'm selling it because I need to make up for
Speaker 9: the sixty percent cut that you made two or seven
Speaker 9: child with them. Why did you that he did that?
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
Speaker 9: You feel like he was sold more vindictive against you
Speaker 9: in suffay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's his momus operandi.
Speaker 5: One man speak out.
Speaker 9: When was all of the sun that you you spoke
Speaker 9: to him a tragic speech. Have you worried her too?
Speaker 7: But he's just not responding too though.
Speaker 1: How would you characterize the ways.
Speaker 5: So you can check the stops?
Speaker 9: I am.
Speaker 7: I'm not the only one.
Speaker 3: Who looks like a Tesla Model X there selling to Carvana,
Speaker 3: one of many Tesla people who is trading in their car.
Speaker 1: Currently, let's go.
Speaker 5: And checking the stop price and check checkond the stop prices.
Speaker 1: Right, Let's go and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: From Elon. He responds, I don't know if the child
Speaker 1: is mine or not. I am not against finding out.
Speaker 3: No court order is needed despite not knowing for sure,
Speaker 3: I have given Ashley two and a half million dollars
Speaker 3: and I am sending her five hundred thousand dollars per year.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the next one. This is from Ashley.
Speaker 3: She retorts, Ela, we asked you to confirm paternity through
Speaker 3: a test before our child, who you named, was even born.
Speaker 1: You refused. You weren't sending me money.
Speaker 3: You were sending support for your child that you thought
Speaker 3: was necessary until you withdrew most of it to maintain
Speaker 3: control and punish me for disobedience. But you're really only
Speaker 3: punishing our son. It's ironic that your last effort in
Speaker 3: court was to try and to gag me while you
Speaker 3: use a social media channel you literally own, to distribute
Speaker 3: derogatory messages about me and our child to the entire world.
Speaker 3: It's all about control with you, and everyone can see it.
Speaker 3: America needs you to grow up, you petulant manchild.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are.
Speaker 5: Crystal deserve each other, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I think they deserve each other as well. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: that is well. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I am in a tough position. You know, people know
Speaker 3: I've got a very conservative disposition. So would I act
Speaker 3: myself like Ashley Saint Clair. There's never in a million
Speaker 3: years where I could endorse that type of behavior. However,
Speaker 3: you know, you father a child with somebody, You're signing
Speaker 3: up for a contract with that person for life. So
Speaker 3: openly sitting there and going to war over monetary payments
Speaker 3: and paternity.
Speaker 5: Litigating the child's paternity on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's too much for me.
Speaker 3: So look, I mean, Elon says, like a paragon of
Speaker 3: good character, is ridiculous with somebody who has father children
Speaker 3: with like multiple different women and often has like insane
Speaker 3: relationships with them and his ex wives.
Speaker 5: I also thought it.
Speaker 2: Was funny, were insightful the way she tries to needle
Speaker 2: him with the Tesla in particular, because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously all these photographers happened to be there when she's
Speaker 2: selling the Tesla to Carvana and having it, you know,
Speaker 2: loaded up to be towed away.
Speaker 1: What I feel bad for the Carvana guy.
Speaker 5: He's like, what the He's like, what did I give
Speaker 5: myself today?
Speaker 2: He's got a good story, you know, he's got a
Speaker 2: good story. But it definitely made his workday much more interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she clearly like she wanted them there. She
Speaker 2: had planned out the things she wanted to say about
Speaker 2: elon the Tesla stock thing, like clearly that bothers him
Speaker 2: a lot, and so she's trying to use that to
Speaker 2: get at him, and you know, yeah, it's it's wild.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's like you said, you were asking me, like,
Speaker 2: whoo who we cheer for? The you want to know
Speaker 2: what to cheer for in this whole situation is and
Speaker 2: it is. I guess the part that to me was
Speaker 2: the most grotesque was the him jumping in and being like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know, if the baby's mine, like exactly,
Speaker 2: that is ugly and this is a human being who
Speaker 2: is going to grow up and be able to see
Speaker 2: those things that you said, So, yeah, that is pretty disgusting.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and he's got you know, adult children literally
Speaker 3: who could go in and we're looking at the behavior
Speaker 3: of your father. I don't know, man, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of lessons for life, and basically, don't act like either
Speaker 3: of these individuals and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, if you look at the data, pretty common situation.
Speaker 3: All Right, we will see you guys later