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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Iran, shall we. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: start with this.

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Speaker 3: We have got President Trump threatening to bomb Iran.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: You said that quote. If they don't make a deal,

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Speaker 5: there will be bombing.

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Speaker 3: It will be bombing the likes of which they have

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Speaker 3: never seen before. If they don't make a deal, we're

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Speaker 3: going to bomb them. Okay, well, bad news for everybody,

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Speaker 3: because let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Things continue to go in a very bad direction here.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump yesterday tweeting or truthing I guess is how

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Speaker 3: he says that the Iran backed who the terrorists, have

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Speaker 3: been decimated by the relentless strikes over the past two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Not true.

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Speaker 3: Many of their fighters and leaders are no longer with us.

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Speaker 3: We hit them every day and night, harder and harder.

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Speaker 3: Their capabilities that threaten shipping in the region are rapidly

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Speaker 3: being destroyed. Our attacks will continue until they are no

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Speaker 3: longer a threat to freedom of navigation. The choice for

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Speaker 3: the Hoothies is clear, stop shooting at US ships and

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Speaker 3: we will stop shooting at you. Otherwise, we have only

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Speaker 3: just begun and the real pain is yet to come

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Speaker 3: for both the Hoothies and their sponsors in Iran. So

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Speaker 3: remember that little signal Chat debate, all of that, that

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Speaker 3: little signal Chat debate that preceded the first of what

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Speaker 3: has now been a week or so of strikes. The

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Speaker 3: attacks from the Hoothies have not continued, not stopped, literally

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Speaker 3: at all. There does not appear to be any endgame.

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Speaker 3: Trump said that he would hold Iran responsible. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's basically as I think we said that here at

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 1: Now you're stuck between a.

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Speaker 3: Rock and hard place because you issued the threat, you said,

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Speaker 3: you will pay for this, and they didn't stop at all.

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Speaker 3: As we also have tried to talk about here is

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Speaker 3: what they don't have nearly the amount of control that

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Speaker 3: we you know, in the press or whatever, and that

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Speaker 3: America seems.

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Speaker 1: To believe that these people do.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous that, yes, what do they provide them some

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Speaker 3: weaponry and a little bit of support. Yeah, they've also

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Speaker 3: been an independent Ish type organization fighting against the Saudis,

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Speaker 3: you know and all them for more than a decade.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they have their own capability.

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Speaker 3: And about these people survived literal bombing, starvation, like you

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Speaker 3: think that these missiles are you know, miraculously can just

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Speaker 3: solve the problem like this. There's like a theory that, oh,

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Speaker 3: we the Biden administration didn't bomb them enough despite looking

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Speaker 3: at the statistics, and bomb couldn't solved this. The Saudis

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Speaker 3: would have solved it, you know, eight years ago. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's not good because you're setting us up for confrontation.

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Speaker 3: And as he said at the original he said that

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Speaker 3: we will bomb Iran if they don't make a deal.

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Speaker 3: Well guess what they said, Yeah, we don't really want

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Speaker 3: to talk to you, right.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that was the argument that was basically made

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Speaker 2: the signal chat if I'm remembering correctly, of like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, they just let them get away with it,

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Speaker 2: completely ignoring the way that the Biden administration pursued like

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Speaker 2: basically the same strategy.

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Speaker 5: And now, I mean we already see.

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Speaker 2: The results, like they've been bombing them in whatever more

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Speaker 2: it worked. No, of course not could put D three

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. In terms of Iran's response, So

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Speaker 2: NBC News says Trump's threat to bomb Ran would spark retaliation,

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Speaker 2: according to their Supreme Leader around Supreme Leader Ayatola Ali

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Speaker 2: Kamani said Monday, the US will receive a strong blow

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Speaker 2: if it acts on Trump's threat to bomb Tehran unless

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Speaker 2: it reaches a new nuclear deal with Washington. Trump reiterated

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Speaker 2: his threat on Sunday. That's what we were talking about,

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Speaker 2: and Supreme Leader says the enmity from the US and

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Speaker 2: Israel has always been there. They threaten to attack us,

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Speaker 2: which we don't think is very probable, but if they

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Speaker 2: commit any mischief, they will surely receive a strong reciprocal blow.

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Speaker 2: And if they are thinking of causing sedition inside the

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Speaker 2: country as in past years, the Iranian people themselves will

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Speaker 2: deal with them, speaking to you know some of the

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Speaker 2: theoretical stirring up of domestic unrest within Iran that they

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Speaker 2: believe that we are feilty of.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we are, I don't really know for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the problem, is that we have set

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Speaker 3: ourselves up now for potential confrontation where the President has

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Speaker 3: spoken out and said if we don't make a deal, then.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have bombs.

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Speaker 3: Now, we also have an idiot national security advisor who

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Speaker 3: continues to be in his job, who constantly is advocating

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Speaker 3: the chat who's a brain dead moron talking about freedom

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Speaker 3: of navigation, who obviously is trying to set us up

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Speaker 3: for some sort of future military confrontation and quote holding

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Speaker 3: them responsible as Trump has said. So at a certain

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Speaker 3: point we have to take Trump and them seriously. And

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Speaker 3: you are in a tight time frame. You have the

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Speaker 3: Gaza stuff, you have the Gaza war which is popping off.

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Speaker 3: Things are only going to get worse if we see

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Speaker 3: mass expulsion, which we talkalked about previously, then you add

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Speaker 3: on top of that with the Iran section, and you

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Speaker 3: look at all of the people in the administration at

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Speaker 3: who have talked a big game about bombing Iran, and

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Speaker 3: what else can you conclude? And you see here from

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Speaker 3: the Trump from the Iranian response, where they have their

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Speaker 3: own domestic political situation. US pulling out of the deal

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Speaker 3: burned them at a domestic political level and made it

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Speaker 3: much more difficult for any Iranian leader to try and

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Speaker 3: pursue that in terms of their own internal politics. So

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Speaker 3: you really have two things coming here. I guess all

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Speaker 3: you can hope for is that we're all bluffing. But

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Speaker 3: that's not a good hope. That's not a good bet

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Speaker 3: to make.

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Speaker 2: I think also, what was revealing within the signal chat

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Speaker 2: is you definitely do not get much sense that there's

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Speaker 2: going to be much pushback on whatever the hawkish direction

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Speaker 2: of the Trump administration was. There was the only voice

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Speaker 2: that raised any concerns at all was Jadie Vance, and

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Speaker 2: he quickly backs down once he realizes there's no one

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Speaker 2: else in this chat that is Jeffrey Goldberg is not

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Speaker 2: coming to bat for me on my side on this one.

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Speaker 2: Are the people who are leaking to Jeffrey Goldberg going

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Speaker 2: to go to bat against taking any sort of hawkish

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Speaker 2: actions and escalatory actions. Quincy Institute for Responsible state Craft

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Speaker 2: over on their blog, which is excellent by the way,

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Speaker 2: they write really fantastic analyzes that are that are definitely

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Speaker 2: worth reading. We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They have been tracking the increasing beating of the war drums,

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Speaker 2: and the headline here is the war of the war

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Speaker 2: over war with Iran has just begun. Trump says he

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Speaker 2: wants a deal, but stakeholders in and outside of his

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Speaker 2: administration are pushing for conflict. The first paragraph here reads,

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Speaker 2: in recent weeks, many of the same neo conservative voices

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Speaker 2: who pushed the US into Iraq are calling for strikes

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Speaker 2: on Iran. Groups like the Foundation for Defensive Democracies and

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Speaker 2: the Washington Institute for Gear East Policy are once again

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Speaker 2: promoting confrontation, claiming that there may never be a better

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Speaker 2: time to act. But this is a dangerous illusion that

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Speaker 2: risk derailing what Donald Trump himself says he wants a deal,

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Speaker 2: not another disaster war in the Middle East. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a little pretty charitable to Trump, given that he's

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Speaker 2: said he wants a deal but also threatened to bomb them.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they're trying to write this in a

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Speaker 2: way that would appeal to him and potentially, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of his allies within the administration. But in any case,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was important that they were tracking the

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Speaker 2: way that these influential think tanks within Washington were increasingly

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Speaker 2: pushing towards this confrontation, because as much as we would

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Speaker 2: like those people to be irrelevant, they are not. They

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Speaker 2: have a lot of allies within this administration, within every administration,

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Speaker 2: who are listening to the case and making a similar

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Speaker 2: case internally.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I like about this Quincy Institute article is

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Speaker 3: that it points out the foundation for DEFNDS democracies, the

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Speaker 3: Washington Near Institute for Peace, and the op ed war

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Speaker 3: that's currently happening in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere

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Speaker 3: here too is, you know, when we previously had talked

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Speaker 3: war against these Erica first more appointees, people who are

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Speaker 1: Do you know why they do that?

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Speaker 3: It's all about shaping the environment to make it so

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Speaker 3: people can use it as an excuse to silence them,

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Speaker 3: or even you know, if their names are mentioned in

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Speaker 3: So look right now, I mean, are we going to

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Speaker 3: and the people around him are obviously advocating for this.

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Speaker 3: There are off ramps. Steve Whitkoff, Send Steve over there,

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Speaker 3: Send him to Iran. He made some comments in this

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Speaker 3: But watch how Steve got sidelined by the Israelis. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they attacked the sh shit out of him. The reason

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Speaker 3: why this ceasfire fell apart, I believe is because they

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Speaker 3: were successfully able to Sideline Witcough and Adam into the

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Speaker 3: same with a lot of the other voices in Washington.

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Speaker 3: I mean, remember the guy who said we're not a

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Speaker 3: the disappeared, he's down in that ice facility, Like I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be him, not for the rest of

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Speaker 3: my life. No, it's not funny, but it is like

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Speaker 3: there's something to it. Right, he hasn't been on television

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Speaker 3: since and you are watching, like as those people in

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Speaker 3: the war on that is successful, and then the administration

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Speaker 3: voices and all these other people. The more there's no

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Speaker 3: accountability for folks like Mike Waltz, it would be it's

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Speaker 3: very easy to see many of the mistakes of the

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Speaker 3: from that well.

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Speaker 2: And most of these people internally like they're you know,

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Speaker 2: they're strivers.

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Speaker 5: They want to stay in good standing.

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Speaker 2: And they see the way that that dude, Adam Bowler

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Speaker 2: is same that's was disappeared, and the way Steve Whitcoff

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put it up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: a look. So here Trump says, America First Patriot, Randy

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Speaker 3: This is a photo of him in his office where

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Speaker 5: And then second, American first Patriot.

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Speaker 3: There's somebody who says you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Speaker 6: Look, if I hadn't seen this myself, I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: All right, So you should take all of those claims

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Speaker 5: Having a Social.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that they want to apparently want

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Speaker 8: For example, they said one guy named James Brown, and

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Speaker 8: Hit fun fact, ninety percent of them, of all of

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Speaker 2: So what's more, Kansas also instituted that proof of citizenship

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Speaker 2: Elon's mindset here, his ketamine adult brain thinks he's on

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Speaker 2: some civilizational mission to save humanity. He has already demonstrated

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Speaker 2: his willingness to do anything from letting the elderly starve

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Speaker 2: without social Security payments to sacrificing kids with HIV in Africa,

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Speaker 2: to define court orders and running roughshod over our constitutional system.

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Speaker 5: In order to accomplish his goals.

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Speaker 2: Now, the same way Doje hacked into the Treasury, dough

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Speaker 2: has been given now the green light to hack into

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Speaker 2: our national election systems and bend the voter rolls to

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Speaker 2: Elon's will. Do you think he's going to carefully root

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Speaker 2: out fraud?

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Speaker 5: Of course not.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the insane, dishonest, and bungling ways that Elon

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Speaker 2: and Doge operate. They claimed millions were going to condoms

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Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip, complete lie. They claimed research money

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Speaker 2: was funding transgender mice.

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Speaker 5: Another lie.

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Speaker 2: They claimed the Department of the Interior spent a billion

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Speaker 2: dollars on a single survey, also a lie. He is

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Speaker 2: literally the number one liar on his own platform in

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Speaker 2: the entire world, and trust me, people, it is a

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Speaker 2: very high barrow over there. So he and his zapparajects

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Speaker 2: will get access to all his voter data. It's been

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Speaker 2: a remarkable fairy tale of mass fraud and we get

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Speaker 2: a huge purge of legitimate voters now. Traditionally, these voter

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Speaker 2: suppression effort efforts target black voters because they are the

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Speaker 2: most likely to vote for Democrats. But if Elon wanted to,

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Speaker 2: he could use AI to get even fancier. He's got

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Speaker 2: plenty of data pull up form across the federal government

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Speaker 2: to discern who is a Democratic voter and who's a

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Speaker 2: Republican voter with a very high level of certainty.

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Speaker 5: He will run through.

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Speaker 2: The data and in an intentionally dishonest and idiotic way,

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Speaker 2: as doshe done at Social Security in other places, he

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Speaker 2: will meant to present to states a list of voters

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Speaker 2: that they should block. Now, Republican led states, they are

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Speaker 2: likely to go along enthusiastically with this plan and with

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Speaker 2: Elon's efforts to purge voter roles of suspected Democrats. And

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Speaker 2: there are plenty of swing districts in Republican led states.

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Speaker 2: So what about the Democratic states? How will they react? Well,

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Speaker 2: Trump has already proven willing to use the entire federal

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Speaker 2: government apparatus to bully democratic states into going along with

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Speaker 2: his dictates. He and Elon will likely provide the narrative

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Speaker 2: fuel by loudly and repeatedly claiming that the resistance of

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Speaker 2: these states to purging voter roles is because they're corrupt

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Speaker 2: and want to keep their elections rigged. This is, of

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Speaker 2: course a complete inversion of the truth, as Elon and

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Speaker 2: Trump's efforts will be directly aimed at rigging the results

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Speaker 2: for Republicans. Now, I don't know how these states would

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Speaker 2: ultimately react. I guess most will resist, although civil society

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Speaker 2: and Democratic Party resistance to Trump two point zero has

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Speaker 2: been less than inspiring. But twenty seven states have Republican governors.

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Speaker 2: They're going to try to do whatever Trump and Elon

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Speaker 2: want them to do. And even if only these states

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Speaker 2: fell in line, you could be talking about tens millions

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Speaker 2: of voters kicked off of the voter rules and blocked

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Speaker 2: from the ballot box. Not to mention that the whole

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Speaker 2: loud effort, amplified on x and by every brain dead

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Speaker 2: MAGA influencer in the world to cast every race as

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Speaker 2: rigged is going to be deeply damaging to our ability

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Speaker 2: to persist as a democracy, since that status does depend

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Speaker 2: on people broadly accepting election results as fair, and that too,

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Speaker 2: is really part of the goal. Now, watching the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration and action, you sometimes get the feeling they really

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Speaker 2: don't think they're ever going to have to face voters again.

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Speaker 2: After all, they are brazenly attacking the most popular programs

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Speaker 2: in the country, like Social Security and medicaid, they are

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Speaker 2: pushing an economic policy that is threatening a system wide collapse.

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Speaker 2: They're threatening new, wildly unpopular wars in places like Mexico

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Speaker 2: and Greenland, and complete ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Yet not

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Speaker 2: only are the midterms just around the electoral corner, but

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Speaker 2: Trump himself is promising to run for a third term.

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Speaker 2: Elon's lies and Trump's Executive Order the first hints of

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Speaker 2: a potential playbook to make sure voters never truly get

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Speaker 2: the final say. And I thought the way that the

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Speaker 2: Executive Order was covered last week.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: So Bernie and AOC have been out making huge waves

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Speaker 2: with their stop Oligarchy tour. So to talk about that

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Speaker 2: in the future of the Democratic Party and all things

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Speaker 2: in that direction. Very likely to be joined this morning

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Speaker 2: by Fashikira. He is an advisor to Bernie Sanders and

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Speaker 2: also be founder and executive director of More Perfect Union,

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Speaker 2: a fantastic news website. Great to see you fast, always

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Speaker 2: great to see you christ Yeah, of course, So let's

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Speaker 2: put some of these images up on the screen. I

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Speaker 2: mean this has been extraordinary to see the number of

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Speaker 2: people who have come out for these rallies really coast

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Speaker 2: to coast. You're talking tens of thousands of people. You

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Speaker 2: probably know the numbers better than I do, but my

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Speaker 2: running for president, either in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Just talk to us a little bit about what the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when we're in Tucson, we had about twenty three

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Speaker 9: thousand show up and Senator Sanders and I were driving

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Speaker 9: in the car along the line and he was shocked

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Speaker 9: to look at the line and say, there's a lot

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Speaker 9: of older people here too. Because we're used to a

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Speaker 9: very progressive audience, people of color, younger people, working class people,

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Speaker 9: and then we saw a lot a lot of older people.

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Speaker 9: And I think when you look at the older people too,

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Speaker 9: it's across the board of their ideological spectrum. You can

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Speaker 9: sense at somebody's rallies. When Senator Sanders is talking, you

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Speaker 9: see some older white men kind of standing their arms crossed,

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Speaker 9: not really angry, not really excited, but just like observing

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Speaker 9: and listening, and you know that they voted for Donald

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Speaker 9: Trump or they didn't vote at all. So I think

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Speaker 9: we are reaching people that we just didn't reach in

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Speaker 9: the twenty twenty primary. And I think, you know, the

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Speaker 9: observation on that there's many fold. One is if you

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Speaker 9: have that many people, thirty four thousand show up in Denver,

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Speaker 9: why they know that Bernie Sanders is running for president

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Speaker 9: of the United States? What's going on there in the

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Speaker 9: sense that these people people are not done, they're almost

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Speaker 9: they're making they're registering a vote at a time when

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Speaker 9: there isn't a vote to say, hey, there's a populis

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Speaker 9: revolt in this nation. You guys in DC might not

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Speaker 9: see it, you don't care, but I'm going to show

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Speaker 9: up for this guy right now in this place to

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Speaker 9: tell you to send you care that you are off course.

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Speaker 9: And that's a message to both parties, I think. And

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Speaker 9: then related to that is the sense that we've got

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Speaker 9: politics all wrong and we get into this discourse, which

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Speaker 9: is the left right prism you know, of understanding politics

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Speaker 9: versus the top versus nine nine percent prism, which is

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Speaker 9: the way we should be observing politics. But too often

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Speaker 9: we get into this left versus right, which suggests that

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Speaker 9: Bernie is quote unquote far left right. You know you're

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Speaker 9: missing this. He's an iconic class of a top versus

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Speaker 9: the bottom fighter, and that's why he's very popular at

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Speaker 9: the moment.

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Speaker 3: Cos let me ask you this basic question, what is

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Speaker 3: the purpose of these rallies?

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Speaker 1: Is it a political movement?

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Speaker 3: If I think back to the Tea Party, it was

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Speaker 3: a revolution against the Republican Party establishment. But I haven't

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Speaker 3: seen yet any calls for primaries. If anything, I've seen,

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Speaker 3: you know, not explicit. We've seen some call out of leadership,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, but nothing even approaching twenty ten levels.

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Speaker 9: What is it coming? Okay, well break it down for

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Speaker 9: so so I don't want to get too far ahead

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Speaker 9: of where Senator Sanders is on this, but I promise

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Speaker 9: you he's in a mode of wanting to recruit candidates

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Speaker 9: to run for office all the way up and down

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Speaker 9: the ticket, and you may be seeing more from us

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Speaker 9: in that regard, not just to your point, in primaries

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Speaker 9: against Democrats, which is certainly an area of interest for him,

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Speaker 9: and also is independent candidates. I mean he's very enamored

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Speaker 9: by and supportive of, you know, Dan Osborne when he

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Speaker 9: ran for Senate, and we're hopeful he'll do it again.

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Speaker 9: But as an independent, are there other working class people

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Speaker 9: who'd be able to run, would want to run, throw

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Speaker 9: their hat in the ring, And obviously, you know, I

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Speaker 9: think he'd be interested in trying to support those candidates

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Speaker 9: to the extent that they wanted Center Sanders support. So

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Speaker 9: that's the kind of a razure hand ask that's going

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Speaker 9: to be coming, I think in the near future from

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Speaker 9: Senator Sanders. But also, like you know, I think he's

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Speaker 9: been urging and again shift too far ahead of urging

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Speaker 9: people to run in various open you know, primaries, whether

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Speaker 9: they're you know, you look at some of the Senacs

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Speaker 9: that are out, they're going to be primaries, as you know.

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Speaker 9: And so he's making calls talking to people saying, hey,

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Speaker 9: get into this race, offer an alternative. Let's not assume

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Speaker 9: that the establishment has you their pick and it's just

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Speaker 9: going to run down the line. And behind the scenes,

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Speaker 9: he's also telling the Democratic Caucus centershoomer, hey, I'm going

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Speaker 9: to get involved in these We're going to have primaries.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to see super PACs being dumping millions

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Speaker 9: of dollars to put their finger on the scale and

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Speaker 9: fight progressive candidates again, and so that conversation is also

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Speaker 9: happening behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: So as my sense and I love to get your

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Speaker 2: reflections on this, is that you know, the energy in

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, which is increasingly the basic the Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party is increasingly disgusted with Democratic leadership for what they

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Speaker 2: perceive and I think accurately so as.

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Speaker 5: A lack of fight.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that that is particularly ideological since

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Speaker 2: it is you know, Bernie and AOC, among others, Jasmine Crockett,

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Speaker 2: who is progressive on some issues but not as much

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Speaker 2: as a like firm lefty as Bernie and AOC are,

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Speaker 2: but they are predominantly the ones who are filling the void.

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Speaker 2: So how do you think this shakes out in terms

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Speaker 2: of the direction of the future of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 2: both in terms of twenty six and the type of

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Speaker 2: candidates that are likely to find appeal in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 9: AOC has been a fantastic partner, no doubt, and she's

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Speaker 9: been huge for getting us, you know, the attention and

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Speaker 9: focus on this. I would also say some things that

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Speaker 9: overlook sometimes in the way we built these events. It's

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Speaker 9: you know, you had Mark Pokin and one when we're

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Speaker 9: in out in Wisconsin and Kenosha Di, Sean Fain and

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Speaker 9: Warren Michigan with us. Jimmy Williams, who's the head of

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Speaker 9: the Painters Union, spoke in Denver. We had alvaa Badoya

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Speaker 9: fired by Donald Trump speak in Denver. You get out,

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Speaker 9: you know, I think Adelita Grihalva, who's now going to

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Speaker 9: run for cron Congress, spoke at our Tucson rally. So

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Speaker 9: we're trying to do our partner, and I promise you

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Speaker 9: when we get into some of these other stays. We're

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Speaker 9: going to la on Friday or Saturday, April twelfth, then

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Speaker 9: you've got you know, some others come in shortly after that.

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Speaker 9: I want to preview some of those, but there's gonna

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Speaker 9: We're trying to make sure those who are interested in

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Speaker 9: a kind of populous revole populous fight see the issues

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Speaker 9: of concentration of wealth and power. The door is open.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we we do know that there's people who

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Speaker 9: may not have supported Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty. It

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Speaker 9: may not have been their cup of tea you take

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Speaker 9: to somebody like a Chris Murphy. You know, it's clearly

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Speaker 9: moving in the direction of wanting to suggest you know,

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Speaker 9: they're they're fighting, they're interested in fighting concentrations of wealth

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Speaker 9: and power. And if that's the case, you know, the

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Speaker 9: door is open. Please contact me if you don't know,

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Speaker 9: if that is at Bernie Sanders dot com, always welcome.

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Speaker 9: You know you want to be in it. But we're

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Speaker 9: trying to make this as expansive a movement as possible.

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Speaker 9: To the point that Sager was raising, you know, it

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Speaker 9: is an opportunity to do recruitment, especially knowing that you know,

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Speaker 9: unlikely Bernie Sanders wants for president again, but he said

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Speaker 9: he's trying to build this class consciousness in America. Now

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Speaker 9: is the moment's let's expand.

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Speaker 3: Because where does your confidence come from that this can

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Speaker 3: become an ideological project? There was I mean, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if I'm being blunt, it seems to me like a

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Speaker 3: lot of people just hate Elon and hate Trump. I

667
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Speaker 3: think that's fine. It's America. You can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: But you guys have been doing and working on this

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Speaker 3: for what fifteen twenty years now at this point, so

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Speaker 3: where does your confidence come that somebody who shows up

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Speaker 3: with a I hate Elon sign or something like that

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Speaker 3: actually cares at all about let's say, taxing the rich.

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Speaker 9: I'm not fully there on the level of confidence, but

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Speaker 9: I would say to you, Sager, you know, we live

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Speaker 9: through occupying other things where you did see moments of

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Speaker 9: you know, a populous revolt of the kind I do

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Speaker 9: think in this moment that if you take those as

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Speaker 9: moments where you're building building building, I think we're at

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Speaker 9: a higher moment now and understanding I mean the hubrisk,

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Speaker 9: the kind of exploitation degree that slaps you across the

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Speaker 9: face and the form of elon is particularly galling, and

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Speaker 9: it has a way of mobilizing people. To your point,

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Speaker 9: we're not doing our job fully though, if we haven't

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Speaker 9: gotten to the place of how in the ways in

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Speaker 9: which you have a rig corporate power over the economic

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Speaker 9: structure of America, how are we best confronting that. You know,

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Speaker 9: you see the discourse on tariffs now ticket Master. It's

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Speaker 9: still I worry a little bit that the a liberal

689
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Speaker 9: left who gets angry about, you know, rightly so about

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Speaker 9: wrongful deportations isn't as enervated and motivated yet about the

691
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Speaker 9: outsourcing of jobs problem, the tax code issues, the deprivations

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Speaker 9: of healthcare. I think people are head of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 9: but you do need leaders, and Bernie Sanders has been

694
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Speaker 9: an iconoclastic leader, and Sean Fain, there's some other stepping out.

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Speaker 9: I'd like more of those. And that to your point, Sager,

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Speaker 9: if I'm raising appropriate level of skepticism alongside where your

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Speaker 9: comments where I'm saying we don't have enough of them yet,

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Speaker 9: but this is an opportunity to be a breeding ground.

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Speaker 9: I will say that you know Josh Wiel who's running

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Speaker 9: in Florida, when you called and asked for Senator Sanders endorsement,

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Speaker 9: I mean this is a guy who's who is running

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Speaker 9: in a very kind of class based, populous way that

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Speaker 9: I think if you're running in Florida any time over

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Speaker 9: the last decade, and I don't think you even call

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Speaker 9: Bernie Sanderson as for endorsement, I don't know if you've

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Speaker 9: even run in this particular way. So I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 9: there's moments, there's glimmers, there's ways in which people are

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Speaker 9: talking and thinking in different ways. I'm hopeful that there's

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Speaker 9: more leaders though, who want to build a class based movement,

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Speaker 9: got it.

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Speaker 2: So there are a few different strains that are competing

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Speaker 2: for ideological space within the Democratic Party. And it's not

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Speaker 2: even that these strains are necessarily mutually exclusive. But you

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Speaker 2: have the stop oligarchy frame, which really, you know, it

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Speaker 2: is the ninety nine percent versus the one percent, top

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Speaker 2: versus bottom. You know, that I think explains a lot

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Speaker 2: of what's happening in our country, specifically with regards to

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Speaker 2: what this administration is doing. There's a variant of that

719
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Speaker 2: which focuses more on antitrust and corporate monopolies are sort

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Speaker 2: of embodied politically by Elizabeth Warren, by Lena Khan that

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Speaker 2: wing of the party. And then you have a of

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Speaker 2: new entrant, which is the abundance concept, which is co

723
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Speaker 2: authored the book co authored by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson,

724
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Speaker 2: and Ezra has been both of them have been doing

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Speaker 2: media tour. We had Derek here to talk about the

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Speaker 2: books and his ideas as well. And Ezra explained some

727
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Speaker 2: of the concept behind this in a recent interview with

728
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Speaker 2: John Stewart that got a lot of attention. Let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and take a listen to a bit of what

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Speaker 2: he had to say so.

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Speaker 4: For a oral broadband, for instance, what you end up

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Speaker 4: having is a fourteen stage process, like there's a period

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Speaker 4: where the Commerce Department needs to drop a map of

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Speaker 4: which parts of the country don't have the right amount

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Speaker 4: of broadband, and then there's a challenge period on the

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Speaker 4: map and dah da da da da da da da,

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Speaker 4: and fifty six states and jurisdictions try to apply for

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Speaker 4: this money. And again this passes. At the end of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, they have time. By the end of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, three have got into the end of

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Speaker 4: the process. They were trying three of these fifties.

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Speaker 5: Yes, end of the process, meaning they've actioned it, they've

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Speaker 5: built it, or they've they've.

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Speaker 4: Got Of course I didn't mean they thought that, John, Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I was so good I confused you. They just got

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Speaker 4: to the point where in theory they could get the

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Speaker 4: money to build.

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Speaker 1: They had been approved for the money.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, basically, so Faz, Basically I'm asking you to

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Speaker 2: wait into the abundance discourse. What are your thoughts and

751
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Speaker 2: do you see it as complimentary to the framing that

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Speaker 2: that you and Bernie and myself share. Do you feel

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Speaker 2: like this is a competing project that could supplant the

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Speaker 2: top versus bottom framework that that you you know, have

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Speaker 2: been talking about.

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Speaker 9: It could be either TVD. I haven't read the book,

757
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Speaker 9: talked to a little bit about it. I tend to

758
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Speaker 9: agree on the bureaucratic morass that we do have. We

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Speaker 9: have inefficiencies and government. We have inefficiencies in the corporate

760
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Speaker 9: sector that often, you know, this is the middleman economy

761
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Speaker 9: that we've talked about. You know, Ticketmaster as a middleman

762
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Speaker 9: just jacking up fees, jump fees that we've talked about

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Speaker 9: for many times. It also happens in government. You've got

764
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Speaker 9: middle men doing things that are stopping progress. And I

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Speaker 9: tend to see a lot of those middlemen, the bureaucrats

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Speaker 9: as in the corporate sector of the profit seeking and

767
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 9: government their risk aversion. They're just like, oh, well, I

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Speaker 9: don't want to get blamed if we built broadband in

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Speaker 9: the wrong place. So, like you're eighteen, lawyers will descend

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Speaker 9: on the scene and give you, you know, different judgments about

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Speaker 9: how best not to get something done. That is, there

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Speaker 9: is a problem in government. But I will say that

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Speaker 9: if we're rank ordering things about the major things I

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Speaker 9: want to tackle, it is the prevalence of corporate power,

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Speaker 9: and it's greed over both the economy and the political system.

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Speaker 9: And to some degree, when I hear some of Abundant's

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Speaker 9: friends talk, I'm like, are we getting at the political

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Speaker 9: corruption problem? Do we understand that some of these are

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Speaker 9: Joe Manchin working with you know, his corporate actors to

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Speaker 9: write in provisions that make it near impossible to execute

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Speaker 9: a bipartisan infrastrucure alaw. Do we understand that there's corporate

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Speaker 9: corrupt netflike political corruption? And I want to see a

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Speaker 9: good progressive is one who wants to tackle not only

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Speaker 9: corporate concentrations of power, but when government is inefficient. And

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Speaker 9: I think we've lost that DNA. I mean, I know

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Speaker 9: Bertie Sanders has, if there aren't many who say, I

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Speaker 9: want to come in and tackle governments in efficiency. That's

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Speaker 9: why Bertie is called long call for cutting defense budget,

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Speaker 9: auditing the FED. These kinds of things are not in

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Speaker 9: the mainstream of democratic thought, but I would urge them

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Speaker 9: to be to dig in and understand having a good

792
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 9: idea is only half the battle. You've got to execute

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Speaker 9: that idea and understand that there's going to be a

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Speaker 9: lot of choke points that have now been created by economists,

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Speaker 9: by lawyers, by accountants. These are and by moneyed interests

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Speaker 9: to prevent good things from happening.

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Speaker 2: That is all well said, Faz, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for checking in with us. We really appreciate you taking

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man, Thank you guys. Appreciate you guys time to

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Speaker 3: check in now. On the tabloid section of Breaking Points.

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Speaker 3: Just can't resist this one.

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Speaker 1: We have got the baby Mama drama involving.

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Speaker 3: Ashley Saint Claire, who alleged that she has a child

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Speaker 3: fathered by Elon Musk. She recently called the Paparazza. People

806
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: are speculating that she called the paparazzi as she sold

807
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Speaker 3: a tesla that was given to her to Carvana, saying

808
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: that she needs to make up for the cut child

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Speaker 3: support from Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: I'm selling it because I need to make up for

812
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Speaker 9: the sixty percent cut that you made two or seven

813
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Speaker 9: child with them. Why did you that he did that?

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Speaker 6: That's a great question.

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Speaker 9: You feel like he was sold more vindictive against you

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Speaker 9: in suffay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's his momus operandi.

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Speaker 5: One man speak out.

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Speaker 9: When was all of the sun that you you spoke

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Speaker 9: to him a tragic speech. Have you worried her too?

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Speaker 7: But he's just not responding too though.

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Speaker 1: How would you characterize the ways.

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Speaker 5: So you can check the stops?

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Speaker 9: I am.

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Speaker 7: I'm not the only one.

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Speaker 3: Who looks like a Tesla Model X there selling to Carvana,

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Speaker 3: one of many Tesla people who is trading in their car.

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Speaker 1: Currently, let's go.

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Speaker 5: And checking the stop price and check checkond the stop prices.

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Speaker 1: Right, Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: From Elon. He responds, I don't know if the child

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Speaker 1: is mine or not. I am not against finding out.

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Speaker 3: No court order is needed despite not knowing for sure,

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Speaker 3: I have given Ashley two and a half million dollars

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Speaker 3: and I am sending her five hundred thousand dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the next one. This is from Ashley.

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Speaker 3: She retorts, Ela, we asked you to confirm paternity through

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Speaker 3: a test before our child, who you named, was even born.

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Speaker 1: You refused. You weren't sending me money.

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Speaker 3: You were sending support for your child that you thought

841
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Speaker 3: was necessary until you withdrew most of it to maintain

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Speaker 3: control and punish me for disobedience. But you're really only

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Speaker 3: punishing our son. It's ironic that your last effort in

844
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Speaker 3: court was to try and to gag me while you

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Speaker 3: use a social media channel you literally own, to distribute

846
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Speaker 3: derogatory messages about me and our child to the entire world.

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Speaker 3: It's all about control with you, and everyone can see it.

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Speaker 3: America needs you to grow up, you petulant manchild.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we are.

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Speaker 5: Crystal deserve each other, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: I think they deserve each other as well. You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: that is well. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I am in a tough position. You know, people know

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Speaker 3: I've got a very conservative disposition. So would I act

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Speaker 3: myself like Ashley Saint Clair. There's never in a million

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Speaker 3: years where I could endorse that type of behavior. However,

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Speaker 3: you know, you father a child with somebody, You're signing

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Speaker 3: up for a contract with that person for life. So

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Speaker 3: openly sitting there and going to war over monetary payments

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Speaker 3: and paternity.

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Speaker 5: Litigating the child's paternity on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: It's too much for me.

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Speaker 3: So look, I mean, Elon says, like a paragon of

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Speaker 3: good character, is ridiculous with somebody who has father children

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Speaker 3: with like multiple different women and often has like insane

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Speaker 3: relationships with them and his ex wives.

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Speaker 5: I also thought it.

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Speaker 2: Was funny, were insightful the way she tries to needle

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Speaker 2: him with the Tesla in particular, because yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously all these photographers happened to be there when she's

871
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: selling the Tesla to Carvana and having it, you know,

872
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: loaded up to be towed away.

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00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: What I feel bad for the Carvana guy.

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Speaker 5: He's like, what the He's like, what did I give

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Speaker 5: myself today?

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00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: He's got a good story, you know, he's got a

877
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: good story. But it definitely made his workday much more interesting.

878
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, she clearly like she wanted them there. She

879
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: had planned out the things she wanted to say about

880
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: elon the Tesla stock thing, like clearly that bothers him

881
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: a lot, and so she's trying to use that to

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00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: get at him, and you know, yeah, it's it's wild.

883
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's like you said, you were asking me, like,

884
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: whoo who we cheer for? The you want to know

885
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: what to cheer for in this whole situation is and

886
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: it is. I guess the part that to me was

887
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: the most grotesque was the him jumping in and being like,

888
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: I don't even know, if the baby's mine, like exactly,

889
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: that is ugly and this is a human being who

890
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: is going to grow up and be able to see

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00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: those things that you said, So, yeah, that is pretty disgusting.

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00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and he's got you know, adult children literally

893
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 3: who could go in and we're looking at the behavior

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00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: of your father. I don't know, man, there's a lot

895
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: of lessons for life, and basically, don't act like either

896
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: of these individuals and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

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00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, if you look at the data, pretty common situation.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we will see you guys later