WEBVTT - Listener Mail: The Quickening

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert lamp and I'm Joe McCormick.

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<v Speaker 1>And hey, we're bringing you a listener Maile episode. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got Carney the Robot out here with us today. Who

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<v Speaker 1>seems something weird is going on with Carney. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have you figured out what this is, Robert, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just finished running the diagnosis software on our good mail

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<v Speaker 1>bod here. It turns out he is suffering from symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>of multiple Highlander personality disorder. Oh no, yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently infected by that recent Highlander to the Science sing

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<v Speaker 1>episode that we did. And so he keeps altering his

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<v Speaker 1>ego and his character personification from being uh Rami raised

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<v Speaker 1>to being Connor, to being the Kurgan to being cycling accents. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like crazy. He was in Michael Ironside mode just a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes ago, was really running amuck. Um, he settled

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<v Speaker 1>down a little bit. He's back in Connor mode right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what he was talking about a few

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ago when he just kept saying it's pronounced Whovianuvian. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was echoing the sentiments of a number of different

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<v Speaker 1>listeners who wrote in UH to tell us that fans

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<v Speaker 1>of the TV series and overall sci fi franchise Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>who are referred to as Houvian's No, that's incorrect. They're

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as uvi acts. I don't know, Joe, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the data really supports this. No, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be proved correct as always. Okay, al right, well, uh anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>despite his programming issues right now, UH Carney does have

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<v Speaker 1>quite a number of listener mails for us related to

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<v Speaker 1>different episodes that we've we've put out over the past month. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as always, we don't have time to respond to every

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<v Speaker 1>bit of listener mail or of social media interaction that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in, and we don't have time in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>to read all of the great listener mails that have

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<v Speaker 1>come in over the past month or so. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try and touch some some of the high points

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<v Speaker 1>and respond to some of the more conversational bits that

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<v Speaker 1>have come in. Yeah, But, just as we always say,

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<v Speaker 1>if if we didn't have time to respond to you

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not featured on the episode, don't worry. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not because we didn't like your email. We just don't

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<v Speaker 1>have have We don't have all the time in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Here be it known that we do appreciate all the

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence we get, so thank you so much, and please

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<v Speaker 1>keep it coming. But I think we should go to

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<v Speaker 1>our first email, Robert. All right, the first couple of

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<v Speaker 1>listener mails we're gonna read here. I have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with our bugs under the Skin episode. So this one

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<v Speaker 1>is from Dominique, who writes then and says, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to the Bugs under the Skin episode

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<v Speaker 1>and thought and experience I had would be worth sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>One night a few months ago, I was walking around

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<v Speaker 1>our backyard with a head lamp on, and as sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>happens with lights at night, it attracted a few different

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<v Speaker 1>insects that proceeded to fly around my head. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a little annoying, but no big deal until one of

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<v Speaker 1>them flew directly into my ear. Didn't hurt or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was surprisingly loud, like someone aggressively rubbing newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>together right by my ear. And by the feel of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a small moth or something, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a half or inch show long or so I went

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<v Speaker 1>inside and had my wife peek in there with an

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<v Speaker 1>autoscope we have for our kids, and to my surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>even as I was feeling and hearing this thing, she

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<v Speaker 1>said she couldn't see anything at all. Annoyed and somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>in disbelief, I proceeded to a flush my flush the

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<v Speaker 1>ear out with some warm water and was surprised when

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<v Speaker 1>out washed a tiny little white fly, maybe two millimeters

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<v Speaker 1>in length. Apparently a really tiny set of wings beating

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<v Speaker 1>directly on your ear drum can both feel and sound

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<v Speaker 1>deceptively large. I believe it. Though this did not answer

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<v Speaker 1>my biggest question, which is what were you doing with

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<v Speaker 1>the headlamp out in the backyard, Dominique? Were you burying

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<v Speaker 1>a body? What's happening here? There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons to go into your backyard with a headlamp, but

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<v Speaker 1>mining for lead sulfide, maybe searching for the source of

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<v Speaker 1>the nile. I mean, there are a number of reasons

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<v Speaker 1>to go back there. Anyway, says thanks for the podcast, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I love every minute of it. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>he is he is from Florida. Of course, can be

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<v Speaker 1>quite buggy, so that also explains it. Now, Robert, you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in that episode that you once when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a kid had a bug fly into your ear and

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<v Speaker 1>that it was very allowed. So does this match your

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<v Speaker 1>experience in newspaper? Absolutely, as he described it it it

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<v Speaker 1>brought back sort of the sense memory of that that time.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we got another one about the bugs under

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<v Speaker 1>the Skin episode. This one is from our listener. Ming

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<v Speaker 1>Ming says, Hey, Robert and Joe, just listen to your

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<v Speaker 1>episode on bugs under the Skin. And I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Really gross and fascinating at the same time. The copious

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<v Speaker 1>mentions of centipedes and orifices and bugs and ears reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of the duan Wu festival, so I thought i'd

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<v Speaker 1>write in about it. I grew up in central China,

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<v Speaker 1>and every duan Wu festival, my grandfather would crush up realger,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a arsenic sulfide mineral. I actually had to

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<v Speaker 1>look it up. I didn't know what that was, but

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<v Speaker 1>so he would crush up realger to make xiong huang ju.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope, I said that right. It's a type of

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<v Speaker 1>yellow wine people drink to ward away evil as well

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<v Speaker 1>as poisonous creatures. As a child at the time, I

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<v Speaker 1>was only allowed a tiny bit of the wine to drink,

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<v Speaker 1>but my grandfather would pour drops of it inside both

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<v Speaker 1>my ears. When I would ask why, he would explain

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<v Speaker 1>that it was to keep centipedes from crawling into my ears,

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<v Speaker 1>because realgar was a powerful deterrent to the creepy Crawley's

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<v Speaker 1>This featured heavily in mythology too, where centipede monsters or

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<v Speaker 1>snake monsters, two of the five poisons in Chinese myth

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<v Speaker 1>would be undone by realger. It was only with research

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<v Speaker 1>just now brought on by the episode that I found

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<v Speaker 1>out that rialgar is an arsenic sulfide mineral. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>what keeps people away keeps bugs away too. Thanks as

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<v Speaker 1>always for the show, my favorite in the Stuff Network. Ming, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. Ming. We're glad you like it. Yes, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>I always love to hear from listeners who have spent

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<v Speaker 1>time in China. I want to know a little more

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<v Speaker 1>about this though. What does that feel like in the ear?

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<v Speaker 1>The arsenic sulfide? Does that burn? What does that do?

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<v Speaker 1>And is it indeed a preferable to an actual centipede

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<v Speaker 1>in the ear? I suspect that it probably is. That's

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<v Speaker 1>probably that's probably one of the practice emerged. Somebody got

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<v Speaker 1>a centipede in the ear, and then they said, well

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<v Speaker 1>this this kind of sucks, but it's still far better

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<v Speaker 1>than worrying about centipedes in the ear. Okay, this next

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<v Speaker 1>email concerns both dangerous foods and idiophones. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>from our listener Joe. She lives in Malaysia, and Joe writes,

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<v Speaker 1>I discovered your podcast and have been slowly working my

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<v Speaker 1>way through all of the episodes. I happened to cross

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<v Speaker 1>the episodes on dangerous foods and thought it would be

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<v Speaker 1>fun to tell you about one that I love to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you've mentioned this yet, but I may

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<v Speaker 1>be mistaken Sauropus, androgynus or andrew gynus. I guess um

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<v Speaker 1>Here it's known as ken cook, menace, or Manechai. I

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<v Speaker 1>particularly love when it's stir fried with eggs. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great source of vitamins and proteins. And she attaches a picture. However,

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<v Speaker 1>when several Taiwanese people juiced and drank it, they ended

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<v Speaker 1>up with lung failure and then death, and she attaches

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<v Speaker 1>an article, but she explains the cause of death has

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<v Speaker 1>been tentatively linked to the high amounts of alkaloids. Papa varying,

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<v Speaker 1>but the exact mechanism is not yet known. It's proposed

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<v Speaker 1>that cooking inactivates the deadly poison inside, rendering. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>that can be that can only be consumed cooked or

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<v Speaker 1>in small amounts of raw. Uh. Similar to some other

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<v Speaker 1>things we looked at in these Dangerous Foods episodes, such

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<v Speaker 1>as just common beans kidney beans. You know you should

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<v Speaker 1>not eat them raw. Yeah, Our various culinary practices often

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<v Speaker 1>are ways to make that which would kill us actually

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<v Speaker 1>something we can eat be either by transforming it chemically

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<v Speaker 1>through the process of cooking, or just uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>regulating the amount of poison that we're taking in right. Uh, So,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe continues, I usually take all my foreign friends to

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<v Speaker 1>try it once, and now I have to add a

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<v Speaker 1>warning to never ever consume it raw or juiced, digressing.

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<v Speaker 1>I was also listening to the episode on idiophones, and

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed out loud. When you use kiki as an

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<v Speaker 1>example of something to mean sharper angular, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>word in uh oh, and I actually don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to pronounce this language. H O k k I E N.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that okayen maybe or maybe hokeien? Uh? Anyway, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>continues in that language kiki pronounced with a hard stop

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<v Speaker 1>after each syllable. So I guess they'd be key keys

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<v Speaker 1>or something uh, commonly used to indicate that an edge

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<v Speaker 1>is jagged or uneven. So if I were to describe

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<v Speaker 1>someone's haircut as key key, that would mean that their

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<v Speaker 1>hair was uneven. I also tested out the three Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>words from the episode on my friends, and they guessed

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<v Speaker 1>correctly each time. I was quite surprised, as none of

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<v Speaker 1>them knew Japanese anyway. Really enjoy your podcast and have

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<v Speaker 1>recommended it to so many people. Keep up the good work.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe from Malaysia. Well thank you, Joe. All right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking over here at at Carney, and Carney has switched

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<v Speaker 1>personas and now he is drinking Scotch and being fitted

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<v Speaker 1>for a custom suit. Oh no, yeah, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's in full Connery Ramire's mode. But but it bides

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<v Speaker 1>us little time. Uh, We're gonna start covering some of

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<v Speaker 1>the listener mail that we received concerning lists. This one

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<v Speaker 1>comes to us from Rachel, Hi, Joe and Robert, a

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<v Speaker 1>list of hosts. It came to mind that we sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>create terms or labels for things taxonomically, for instance, which

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<v Speaker 1>represents a list of traits describing these unique things. The

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<v Speaker 1>more obvious ones are labels like the word skateboard, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a board with skate wheels. Less obvious would be

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<v Speaker 1>a term like bellas parentus the common daisy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a label for a list of traits that must be

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<v Speaker 1>president in order to qualify for this label. Therefore, by

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<v Speaker 1>giving something that label, one would be indicating, at least

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<v Speaker 1>to a botanist, that a certain list of things are

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<v Speaker 1>true of that object. I've always loved compound words for

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<v Speaker 1>their descriptive but sometimes easily misunderstood. Nature's take. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>the word chainsaw meaning a saw using a chain for cutting. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>one could be forgiven for thinking this referred to a

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<v Speaker 1>saw intended for the use in the cutting of chains.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even get me started on chainsaw car in contest, Wow, Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>chainsaw is the best thing to illustrate any concept. Next

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<v Speaker 1>item on lists came from our listener, Clayton. Clayton says

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<v Speaker 1>Robert and Joe. I've been listening to the show for

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<v Speaker 1>four years now, and let's make a list, and then

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<v Speaker 1>let's make a list. Episode might be your best yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I thoroughly enjoyed this one and was delighted to become

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<v Speaker 1>aware of all the various reasons and types of lists

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<v Speaker 1>humans have made throughout history. List making is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>tenant of my life and something that my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>I love doing together. The feeling of accomplishment when striking

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<v Speaker 1>through an item on a to do list is so

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<v Speaker 1>satisfying that often if we have a running list of

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<v Speaker 1>things like household repairs, and a repair happens that is

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<v Speaker 1>not on our list, my wife will write it down

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<v Speaker 1>after the list is complete, then just cross it off

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<v Speaker 1>the list. Thank you guys for the show. PS. Invention

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<v Speaker 1>is also fantastic. Love the theme song and the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>album artwork from Clayton. Yeah, people love love the theme

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<v Speaker 1>who's hosting the show, etcetera, and our beautiful picture, we

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<v Speaker 1>will put We'll put a little information there about who

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<v Speaker 1>the artist is and where you can buy the the

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<v Speaker 1>the track for yourself, because it's good stuff. We we

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<v Speaker 1>we we looked at a lot of music that was

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<v Speaker 1>available to us before we decided on this particular track.

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<v Speaker 1>And hey, if you're not subscribed to Invention yet, go

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe right now. Check it out. If you like this show,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll probably like that one. But anyway, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>read this message from Clayton because I sometimes also do

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<v Speaker 1>this thing with the with the to do list. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a G eight idea. When you make it

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<v Speaker 1>to do list, don't only include what you've got ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of you also include some things you've already recently gotten

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<v Speaker 1>done and then crossed them off somehow. To me, this

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<v Speaker 1>process is really pleasing. It's highly motivating. It's like you

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<v Speaker 1>get a breath of wind behind you. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>mountaintop Bear goddess, just pour strength into your mind and

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<v Speaker 1>your muscles. It's good. His His email made me think,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you took up this task though? To keep

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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing list of items that you have never included

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<v Speaker 1>on a list before. You have to maintain this and

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<v Speaker 1>keep it current, so you're constantly putting new things on

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<v Speaker 1>and taking old things off. Remember you have to take

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<v Speaker 1>them off as soon as they've been as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>they've been listed on the list somewhere. Try it for yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>right in and let us know how the impossible list.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here's another one about list. This one comes

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<v Speaker 1>to us from Tony. Hello, gentlemen. As soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>saw there was an episode on lists, I knew it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a winner. Several members of my family have

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<v Speaker 1>actually referred to me as a Mr. List. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>I've made dozens of lists on a variety of topics,

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<v Speaker 1>from my fifty favorite R. E. M. Songs to the

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<v Speaker 1>most heartbreaking losses in Chicago Bears history that I have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>As an avid movie fan, I have always loved the

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<v Speaker 1>Academy Awards and found my viewing of the ceremony was

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<v Speaker 1>more enjoyable when I had seen all the Best Picture

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<v Speaker 1>nominees beforehand. This triggered an idea that would become my

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<v Speaker 1>greatest undertaking yet, watching all of the movies that had

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<v Speaker 1>ever been nominated for Best Picture. WHOA. As of this writing,

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen three of five hundred and fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>for a list of glist completion of se which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is pretty impressive. That's a lot of movies, Tony. Alas,

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<v Speaker 1>it was only after I was well into this project

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<v Speaker 1>that I discovered there is no known surviving copy of

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<v Speaker 1>The Patriot, one of the nominees from ninety eight. This

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<v Speaker 1>of course means that no matter what effort I give,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never be able to truly complete the list. I

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<v Speaker 1>always hope one day I'll be mindlessly clicking around the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet and run into a quick news blurb that someone

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<v Speaker 1>found a copy of The Patriot tucked away in a

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<v Speaker 1>way their chest, in an old producer's addict or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. One of the majority of readers would skim

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<v Speaker 1>right over that news. For me, it would be like

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<v Speaker 1>locating the Holy Grail. Thanks for your continued offering, which

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<v Speaker 1>offering switching, enlighten and entertain us all, Tony in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Thus the bears. That makes sense, Well, thank you, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, it sounds like unless somebody finds a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of The Patriot, your life is a lie. Um I,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I can understand what he means about, like

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<v Speaker 1>the desire to find something that you are into and

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<v Speaker 1>then you set the goal of completing it. Um I.

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<v Speaker 1>I fall into this trap sometimes, so I discover a

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<v Speaker 1>new author that I really dig, or a filmmaker, um,

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<v Speaker 1>an artist even or want to be a completionist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or I've I've also done this with like if I

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<v Speaker 1>discover like a new say in the past, if I

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<v Speaker 1>discovered like a new professional wrestler, like some new Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>professional wrestler that I've never heard of before, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, I've got to see all their matches now.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, of course you always run into the same problem,

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<v Speaker 1>like either it's an actual incompleteness situation where Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>film is not available or this book is is is

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<v Speaker 1>ass hasn't been published in in ages and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive to buy a used copy of or you

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<v Speaker 1>just run into the fact that if you become a

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<v Speaker 1>completest on something like sometimes you're that means consuming stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that's maybe not the primo material, you know, like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's best just to stick to the top five um uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hits from this particular artist rather than dive

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<v Speaker 1>into their full discography. But still sevent completion rate on

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<v Speaker 1>on nominees, that's pretty good. Well, I I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>also see the appeal of just going down the list,

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<v Speaker 1>even when there are other things you could be doing, right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was thinking about when we were getting really

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<v Speaker 1>into the nineteen eight nine Underwater Peril movies, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>even though you know that like Lords of the Deep

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<v Speaker 1>is is not going to be good, maybe not even

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<v Speaker 1>good bad, you're just, uh, you've just got to go

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<v Speaker 1>down there because you've already started. Yeah, And I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily there was a Mystery Sentence Theater three thousand episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Lords of the Deep that came out this year

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<v Speaker 1>or the tail into last year. But I also tried

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<v Speaker 1>to watch for you get the name of it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a German underwater film, not one of the

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<v Speaker 1>like the top tier either. It was. It was, it

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<v Speaker 1>was really bad. It was it was unwatched, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing of I That's why I have nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>even say about it. Other than it was just complete boredom.

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<v Speaker 1>But you got to cross it off. That's true. I

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<v Speaker 1>did get to cross it off. Okay, Karnie's going gone

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<v Speaker 1>into Kurgan mode. Oh no, I think he has a correction.

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<v Speaker 1>We have wrath coming our way. Well, okay, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is from Duncan. So Duncan begins by saying, hi, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of minor corrections, if you will forgive my

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<v Speaker 1>O C D. I think this might be a little

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<v Speaker 1>more of a clarification, but we'll take it. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in favor of clarity. Yeah. So uh, Duncan says

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<v Speaker 1>about gravitational physics. In our Thought Experiment episode, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the idea of um of uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>the Aristotelian view of gravity versus the Galilean view of gravity,

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<v Speaker 1>and so what Duncan says is most people get a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of simple semantic distinctions wrong. When talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of falling bodies. In the podcast about Thought Experiments,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that if you drop a heavy object and

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<v Speaker 1>a light object off a tall building, they will hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground at the same time. This is false. The

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<v Speaker 1>correct phrasing is the rate of acceleration. Caused by gravity

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<v Speaker 1>is the same for all objects, regardless of density. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also say objects in a vacuum fall at the

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<v Speaker 1>same speed regardless of density. The first distinction is using

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<v Speaker 1>the words heavy and light as opposed to talking about density.

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<v Speaker 1>An inflated balloon weighs more than a plastic baby pellet,

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<v Speaker 1>but the BP pellet will hit the ground first, the

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<v Speaker 1>denser object will fall faster. The other important distinction is

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<v Speaker 1>about acceleration versus speed. Objects accelerate at the same speed,

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<v Speaker 1>but air resistance builds proportional to their speeds, so all

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<v Speaker 1>objects have a different terminal velocity based on their density

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<v Speaker 1>and also their aerodynamic profile. If you drop two objects

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<v Speaker 1>with different densities off of building and it is high

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<v Speaker 1>enough for either one of them to reach its terminal velocity,

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<v Speaker 1>that object will stop accelerating. The other will continue for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit longer and therefore fall faster, hitting the ground first.

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<v Speaker 1>This can be easily demonstrated with a piece of cotton

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<v Speaker 1>wool and a marble from a height of only a

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<v Speaker 1>meter or so. And then Duncan also goes on with

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<v Speaker 1>some other comments about our our previous clarifications on uses

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<v Speaker 1>of the word billion, like us usage versus non us

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<v Speaker 1>English usage. But from what I can tell, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to say that Duncan's comments here about the

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<v Speaker 1>physics of falling bodies that seems absolutely correct. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we were speaking in a little bit of shorthand in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, but but that is all true. Alright, Carney

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<v Speaker 1>has calmed down a bit, and now he has he

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<v Speaker 1>has handed me another listener mail, and this one has

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<v Speaker 1>to do at least partially with Blobsters. Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 1>one comes to us from Weldon Weldon Rights, I love

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast catching Up. I was listening to the second

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<v Speaker 1>Blobster episode when you were pointing out that some creationists

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<v Speaker 1>try to force the timeline to fit what they feel

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth creation timeline is. I am a person who

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<v Speaker 1>has convinced that we are far too complex and amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>even some politicians to be accidental. So I am a creationist,

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<v Speaker 1>but I believe it is only people's misguided interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>multiple layers of language differences that cause so much confusion.

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<v Speaker 1>The Earth is four plus billion years old as far

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<v Speaker 1>as we can tell. The universe is somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood of thirteen plus billion years old. How does that

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<v Speaker 1>not allow for God to work whatever way he chooses.

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<v Speaker 1>When we try to cubbyhole what was accomplished, we limit

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<v Speaker 1>his ability to only what we understand, and we aren't

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<v Speaker 1>always that bright. Simple facts point to a longer time involved,

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<v Speaker 1>like a tiny bacterial found miles deep in the Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>crust Russian drilling expedition, or star starlight itself hitting our

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<v Speaker 1>eyes at night from who knows how many light years away.

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<v Speaker 1>So keep up the good work on a great show,

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<v Speaker 1>and try to remember not everyone who believes in creation

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<v Speaker 1>thinks it all happened in a few days. Thanks Weldon. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have intentionally pointed out that that distinction

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<v Speaker 1>before that not all people who believe in a creator

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<v Speaker 1>of some form whatever religion they are believe in, say

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<v Speaker 1>like a Young Earth creationist model. In fact, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we try to be fairly careful about that. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean my take has always been that if we're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a creator God's scenario, and I like to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look at different scenarios for this sort of thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if if that's the scenario we're playing with, we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>expect that God to work their craft in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that fits into human lifetimes and human crafting experience. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like if if I was a cobbler, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I end up thinking of God as a

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<v Speaker 1>shoemaker like that. That can be insightful, that can put

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<v Speaker 1>it in terms that I can understand, But then I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't expect, um, you know, everything about the cosmos and

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the cosmos to be then therefore be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, completely relatable to say the timeline of making

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of shoes, are fixing a pair of shoes, etcetera. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I you know, I I I think that, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>someone can certainly believe in a creator and a divine

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<v Speaker 1>creator and still believe in evolution and everything that that

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<v Speaker 1>consensus science tells us about our world and our universe. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously those beliefs can co exist because they do in

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<v Speaker 1>millions and millions of people. Yeah. One thing I do

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<v Speaker 1>wanna take issue with and what you say, Well, then

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<v Speaker 1>as though I don't, uh, I mean, I wouldn't try

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you not to believe in a creator or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but you say you're convinced in the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there's a creator because we're far too complex

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<v Speaker 1>and amazing to be accidental. The unstated assumption underneath this

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<v Speaker 1>is that things can only be complex and amazing if

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<v Speaker 1>they were intended by something. I don't know if that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I think things can be complex and amazing for all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of reasons. Well then then if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at that's especially if you look at say Christian theology, right,

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<v Speaker 1>God is complex in amaze thing, right, and yet that

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<v Speaker 1>entity was not created by something else. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess you know, you're giving privileged status

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<v Speaker 1>to the creator deity, and in this scenario is one

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<v Speaker 1>tends to do. But but still like it, even like

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<v Speaker 1>the basic Christian theology doesn't say that that, uh, that

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<v Speaker 1>it is impossible for something complex to come into being

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<v Speaker 1>without the aid of a creator, I guess, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can sort of take that in any number of

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<v Speaker 1>directions and argue it up a tree. But at any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll getting back to the principle about accepting science and

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<v Speaker 1>also having some you know, for various forms of theology.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, most of the scientists in history have had

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of theology, like a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of say, these nineteenth century scientists who were involved in

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<v Speaker 1>discovering evolution would have thought that probably there was some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of deistic creator, you know, that there was some

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<v Speaker 1>force behind the universe. But then they came to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that well, maybe that God did not in fact set

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<v Speaker 1>out animal forms or things like that those arose out

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<v Speaker 1>of natural physical processes. Yeah. I mean, you will find

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of atheists scientists, but you have also find

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of scientists too, uh to varying degrees, to

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<v Speaker 1>follow different religious worldviews. And I think there is something

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<v Speaker 1>highly advantageous in being able to to have more than

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<v Speaker 1>one worldview, to sort of shuffle them around depending on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what you're you're dealing with in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you kind of have different It's like playing

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<v Speaker 1>a video game where you have different power ups, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you have different armors, different swords, right, and you you

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<v Speaker 1>put on different power ups depending on what your character

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<v Speaker 1>is doing. It's your character crafting something while you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>change your build out, you know, as your craft character

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<v Speaker 1>battling orcs while you're gonna change your build out a

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<v Speaker 1>little And I feel I feel like I do that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit with with worldview, Like what are you doing, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you thinking about? Like, what's the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to approach uh, you know the current um challenges of

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<v Speaker 1>of the world or of the mind. Well, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that shuffling can also, I think take place at I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why, you say, just different levels. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you don't have to be at a level

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<v Speaker 1>where you ever literally believe any stories in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally happened in order to say, read the book

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<v Speaker 1>with pleasure and understand what it means, or to say,

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<v Speaker 1>read other religious poetry or here religious music that makes

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<v Speaker 1>reference to it and try to identify with the author

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<v Speaker 1>and like put yourself in that mindset. Alright, On that note,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a quick break, but when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna jump back into more listener mail, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get to some Highlander two specific email. Carney

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<v Speaker 1>seems very excited. Oh yes, thank alright, we're back. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Carney is very excited because now we're gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and read it a little Highlander two listener mail. Alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>This first one comes to us from Dan. Dan writes

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<v Speaker 1>in I'm writing in response to your episode on Highlander two,

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<v Speaker 1>the Quickening. I'm so glad you finally made good on

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>your promise. Slash threat to do this episode, as it

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<v Speaker 1>was well worth the wait. We're glad, You're glad. While

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen any of the Highlander movies, I've i'd

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<v Speaker 1>always seemed to be part of the pop culture and

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<v Speaker 1>media landscape during my teen years in the late nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>And indeed, while it was, it was always on either

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<v Speaker 1>the movies, especially the you know the first, the first

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>one especially to get was on TV constantly. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>on USA all the time? Probably? I know I was

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<v Speaker 1>on USA all the time, so it's probably where I

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<v Speaker 1>watched that or TBS, TNT, those were my hangouts. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he continues, um, growing up, I watched a lot of USA.

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<v Speaker 1>The Highlander TV series, both live action and animated, always

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be on no matter what day or time

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<v Speaker 1>it was. Even today, I can still sing home slash

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<v Speaker 1>home the opening of Princess of the Universe. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>how ingrained it is in me. I guess you could

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<v Speaker 1>call it the let it Go of the late nineties

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>cult cinema slash TV For me, I think that's a

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.479
<v Speaker 1>song from Frozen. I know this from my friends who

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>have little kids. Oh yeah, that's that's definitely from Frozen.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Princess of the Universe is kind of our

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<v Speaker 1>frozen even and though for the TV show the movies

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<v Speaker 1>they never used the full version, you know, because it

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<v Speaker 1>gets a little weird later in the in the song,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still great, but I think it can be surprising

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<v Speaker 1>if you you expect it to maintain that same um

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<v Speaker 1>overtly like epic vibe that it has right at the start. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he continues, keep up all the great work you do,

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to a potential Science of Labyrinth or Dark

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Crystal episode, and then he included a link to Cisco

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and Ebert's review of Island or Two The Quickening, which

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>he says Ebert called the worst movie of Cisco called

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<v Speaker 1>the worst title of ninety one. Is this one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones where they were Sometimes they'd come in and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be like, I'm so glad that when people Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people would ask them, have you seen any really bad

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<v Speaker 1>movies lately? And they'd have to think, like, what was

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a really bad when I saw recently? But occasionally there'd

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<v Speaker 1>be one so bad that they wouldn't have to think anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd just be like, here's my answer for the time being. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be grounding in a way, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with a lot of you know, of of

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of higher end indie pieces and artistic works,

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<v Speaker 1>to to just dig into something that is just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>objectively bad. Oh there's nothing I love more than when,

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, when, when I've been deep in some cerebral material,

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to just back out of this and watch Attack of

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>the Crab Monsters again, or go to some other giant

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 1>animal movie. Oh what, Robert, do you hear that? Yeah? Whoa?

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>What is that? It's something kind of cutting in cuttle

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<v Speaker 1>Cat's cuttlefish to the second oil age and he's kingdom

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<v Speaker 1>with burl of darkness. I don't dispute the eurostata, but

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<v Speaker 1>if he's down here, not blood but darkness, the Earth's

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>black riches. No, I could taste it on my lips. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to you about the science of

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<v Speaker 1>transgenesis tens Genesis show. No, I guess it's gone now.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it wasn't anything. Yeah, yeah, I just heard like

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<v Speaker 1>a high pitched, like like glitchy noise. Robert, you got

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>a bit of blood in the owner of your eye.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, I yeah, I'm I'm bleeding from m

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>I want to get get cleaned up here and we

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>can keep going. I'm good, I'm good, all right. Here's

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>another one about Hollander from Chris. Chris says, I love

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<v Speaker 1>the Highlander episode. My only experience with Hiler was having

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite uncle growing up who loved them. How do

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you know that about your uncle? Like, your uncle loves

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>it so much he's talking to his nieces and nephews

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I think if somebody loves Highland or enough,

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll know like that, it will be undeniable. His uncle

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>was Christoph Lambart. By the way, I only had fond

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<v Speaker 1>memories until your episode kind of pointed out some of

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the things in my adult brain understands his bonkers. The

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>bit breaking down the actors slash characters slash accents made

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<v Speaker 1>me do one of those slapped the steering wheel laughs.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a suggestion also, with the Dune universe coming

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<v Speaker 1>back soon in a movie form, I would love my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite science show to dive into some of the wild

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi Frank Herbert gave us and maybe shed some

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<v Speaker 1>light on inspiration or real life echoes. Some episode topics

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>could include shields and engines, sandworms, and of course the spice.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope you guys are well and love what you do

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I love listening. Well, Chris, We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a treat for you because we beat you to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. We did a couple of Doune episodes, uh

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a couple of years ago. Have we rerun those?

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<v Speaker 1>We have? We rerun them once, Chris, Yes, go into

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>our archive, do a little search, and I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>find a search bar somewhere. Look up Dune Parts one

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<v Speaker 1>and two. I think those are those are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of personal favorites of mine that we've done, and i'd actually,

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>i'd actually love to come back and explore a little

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<v Speaker 1>more about the Dune universe. I have a book titled

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<v Speaker 1>The Philosophy of Dune with it with different essays about

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, phil Philoso, offical treatments of some of the

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that Herbert uh used in the in the novels.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I think we could come back and do

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<v Speaker 1>more done in the future, certainly as we get closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the release of the next Dune film or films,

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<v Speaker 1>which which I'm very excited about. You know, one thing

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I can say about that upcoming Dune movie, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they made a good choice casting Paul not as an

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<v Speaker 1>ultra likable young actor, but as a kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe kind of a little jerk, kind of torpy guy

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>that that Timothy Challome guy, like the jerk character he

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<v Speaker 1>plays in Ladybird. I can see it. That's I haven't

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>seen Lady Bird yet. Ladybird is great. Okay, they certainly

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>nailed some of the other casting. I do like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of of Stelen scars Guard as as harconin We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how that goes. Yeah, Okay, looks like we got

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<v Speaker 1>a great one up here from Amelia Amelia Wrightson and says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert and Joe, I'm so happy you finally did a

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Highlander themed episode. Well, I never had the pleasure of

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>seeing the Quickening. Was tickled to hear you mentioned among

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<v Speaker 1>Highlanders various spin off series the two animated films. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't claim to be a Highlander connoisseur, as I've

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<v Speaker 1>only seen the original film and one of these animated features,

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<v Speaker 1>namely Highlander Quest for Vengeance. But although objectively terrible, Highlander

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Quest for Vengeance was my initial introduction to the series

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and remains my most supreme guilty pleasure views of all time.

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>It's directed by Yoshiaki Kawajiri, better recognized for his work

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>on Ninja Scroll. Yeah, I love Ninja Scroll back in

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the day. I don't know what Vampire Hunter d blood Lust.

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I may have seen that. I can't watch some sort

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>of Vampire Hunter anime back in the day and the Animatrix.

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>It's also written by David abrama Witz, who gave us

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<v Speaker 1>Highlander the Series and Highlander The Raven. It's one of

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>those the cop show The Raven is the Cops. So

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>we may have another listener mail by this, but I

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>think she was technically a thief and she like works

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>with a cop. It's still it's still a cop show. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, she continues, I won't spoil too much in

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>case other listeners check it out, but we'll say this

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<v Speaker 1>addition to the Highlander series is absolutely worthwhile for the

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Celtic and Roman history buffs like myself. It's epic scope,

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>definitely plunges into the ridiculous, and like many of Kawejeri's films,

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the animation alone makes it worth a watch. It functions

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>well as a standalone film, so even if you haven't

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>seen other Highlander related material, it's very accessible. I recommend

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>it to anyone who's a fan of the original. Well,

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and now I want to see that too, because I'm

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I definitely have nostalgia for for the Highlander series,

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I have a little bit of I think

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost to the point in my life where I

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>can be nostalgic about watching some of these anime films

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>in college. Now, you know what, I think. I didn't

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>realize this until just now. I think this is not

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the first time Amelia has gotten in touch with us

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>about Highland. Oh yeah, I think she might be a

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>listener who has written to us multiple times whenever we

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>mentioned Highlander on the show. So we we could be

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>dealing with a with a hardcore super fan here. We've

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.239
<v Speaker 1>been cultivating, um a subset of our listeners who are

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>hardcore Highlander fans. Okay, this next one is response to Highland.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a response to Higlander two. And this comes from

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<v Speaker 1>our listener, Rami. Ramy says, Hi, guys, I just finished

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>listening to your episode Highlander to the science thing and

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to provide some additional information on decapitation in the

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<v Speaker 1>natural world. Yes, this is the right kind of listener mail, Yes, Ramy,

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<v Speaker 1>so Rami says there is a type of hornet called

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<v Speaker 1>the Asian giant hornet Vespa mandarinia, which prays on honeybee larvae.

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<v Speaker 1>The hornets, which can grow up to two inches in length,

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<v Speaker 1>would descend on a hive of honey bees in groups

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<v Speaker 1>and start decapitating them with their huge mandible to get

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<v Speaker 1>access to the larvae. A single hornet can decapitate as

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<v Speaker 1>many as twenty bees a minute. A small group of

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>hornets can eliminate an entire colony of thirty thousand or

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<v Speaker 1>more bees. The honey bee stingers are not strong enough

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<v Speaker 1>to pierce the hornets thick armor, but they have however

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>evolved another defense strategy against the hornets. Once a hornet

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>is spotted in the hive, the honey bees form a

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>tight ball around it and start vibrating furiously. This increases

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the hornet's body temperature, essentially cooking it to death. You

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>can watch these awesome battles taking place by searching giant

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>hornet versus honeybees on Google or YouTube. The giant hornet

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>is an invasive species to Southern Europe, thought to be

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>brought here by cargo ships, and it has decimated honeybee

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>populations in the region. But it's nice to see the

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>honey bees starting to evolve defenses to a completely foreign predator.

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Evolution at work right in front of your eyes. Keep

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>up the great work. I listen to your podcast every

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 1>morning on my way to work, and it certainly makes

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>my one hour commute uh and enjoyable one. I particularly

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>enjoy episodes about the natural world, space or history, but

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<v Speaker 1>you guys never disappoint Thanks for your time, Rammy, Well,

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>thank you, Rommy. This is great. I don't know how

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. I never came across this. Yeah, this is

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a this is a fascinating organism. All right. We have

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>one more, just one more listener male that is directly

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>related to Highlander to this one comes to us from France.

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, gentlemen for your varied and always interesting podcast.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm a newbie with podcast, but I've probably already listened

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 1>to around a hundred of yours invention stuff to blow

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>your mind and stuff you should know. I also love

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the ladies of stuff you missed in history class. Anyway,

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm a diet in the wool Highlander fan, but far

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>more the TV show than the movies. She's a Highlander

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>frand Frank fan fran gotcha anyway. Anyway, she continues, by

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>the way, I agree with you that Highlander to the

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Quickening is one of the truly bad movies of all time.

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I would like to hear what MST. Three K could

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>do with it. Oh, that'd be great. But I own

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the video tapes of all six seasons of the TV show,

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>as well as the one season of The Raven. I

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>mostly love the show because they found an excuse for

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Adrian Paul to take off his shirt in almost every episode.

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I admit it. I can be shallow. That man has

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>a totally ripped body, and as a martial artist, his

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>fights were things of beauty. The Raven and here here

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>we get a further breakdown and what the Raven was

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>really like. The Raven is about an immortal who also

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>is a quite accomplished thief. Amanda the thief has known

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.919
<v Speaker 1>Duncan Duncan McLeod, Adrian Paul's character from the TV show

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>for several hundred years, and she's beautiful and very smartass.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of episodes of Highlander that had

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Roger Daltrey. Yeah, of the who I remember these now

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>as the guest immortal and they were mostly comedy and

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone seemed to be having a good time. Yeah, I

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>remember seeing Roger Daltrey on there, and now I've got

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 1>to look this up. I can't wait to see Roger Dalton.

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Did they ever have Robert Plant as an immortal? No? No,

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>they lost their heads long ago, sadly, but but Daltry

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>was still still kicking. Uh. She also adds a little

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>bit about invention. She says, you asked an invention a

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Toilets Part two about any science fiction toilets, and the

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>only one I can remember is from the original four

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>hour long two thousand and one. I don't think it's

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.879
<v Speaker 1>four four hours. I think she's she's having a little

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>fun there. I sixteen when it was released. I saw

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.919
<v Speaker 1>that twice, and then a three hour long version, both

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>in Cinerama. In the long version, Dr Floyd is in

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.439
<v Speaker 1>the pan Am shuttle heading to the space station. There's

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.439
<v Speaker 1>a shot of him reading the instructions for the zero

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>gravity toilet. Thank you again for the entertainment and education

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>you've given me. Well, fran Uh. If you want to

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>know more about the zero gravity toilet, I think we

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>talked about it a bit in our episode on two

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand one of Space obusely from earlier last year. Yeah,

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>we did. We did talk about it just a little bit.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>That was the one of the one of the the

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>earlier movie episodes that we did. Uh. That scene is great.

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>That's Kubrick the comedian at work. Well, especially because it's

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>immediately preceded by him drinking out of a carton of

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 1>corn with the straw and then it just cuts to

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>him like staring at the toilet instructions you got to

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of put things together in your mind. Okay, we

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>got one here from Adam that does involve Highland or two,

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's also about our ninth planet episode. So, Adam says, Hi,

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Robert and Joe, I'm writing in to help answer some

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 1>questions posed about various sci fi franchises in the past

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>few episodes. The first is about the planet Mandus, the

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:10.439
<v Speaker 1>original home world of Doctor Who's Cybermen. Ah, this must

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>be an email from a huve on Ian. Now I

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's right juvii on Ian. Uh. So, Adam

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.959
<v Speaker 1>says Manda's is indeed both a parallel planet to Earth

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>as well as the ninth planet in our solar system. However,

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the serial in which it first appeared was named The

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Tenth Planet because it was released in nineteen sixty six,

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>forty years before Pluto was reclassified to a dwarf planet.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>And I think that would also be about forty years

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>after Pluto was discovered, right, Oh, perfect, Yeah, so Adam continues,

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the geography of Mandus is very similar to Earth, with

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the main and only apparent difference being that the continents

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>are upside down. Manda's drifted into deep space long before

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:55.720
<v Speaker 1>humanity existed, possibly because of the Moon's orbit around Earth. Luckily,

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.720
<v Speaker 1>there's no problem that television sci fi from the nineteen

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 1>sixties can't solve, because the Cybermen were able to pilot

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>their planet back to Earth, where it was eventually destroyed,

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.280
<v Speaker 1>which is much less of a problem in the show

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>where the main component is time travel. Also, the term

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>used to describe doctor who fans is Huvian, in case

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 1>that comes up again, No, I think, yeah, I can't

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>believe he could be this wrong. I think I think

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you have to trust Adam here. He seems to know

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>what he's talking about. I don't know how Adam could

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>be a doctor who fan without knowing that they're called Huvedn's.

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, the other question I wanted to answer was

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>from the episode about the Silence Science of Highland or two.

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>The question asked was whether or not the Alien franchise

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>had ever had a face burster concerning the pseudaction flies,

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.959
<v Speaker 1>because remember the Pseudactian or the Highlander fly. We talked

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 1>about It decapitates the ant, the larva grows within the

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>ant's head, and then it pops out of the ant's face,

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and we were saying, was there ever a horror movie

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>or something popped out of someone's face? Specifically, was there

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>ever an alien and the Alien franchise that instead of

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>bursting out of the chest like coming out of John

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Hurt's es ut, it pops out of somebody's face. I

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>still maintain no, I don't remember ever seeing that. I

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>think I would know. Well, Adam says the answer is

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>both yes and no. While the official franchise has not

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>had a chest burster burst out of somebody's face. Instead,

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighty unauthorized sequel Alien to colon on Earth,

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>which I had no idea this even existence. It's a novelization.

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I gotta look this up. Uh, maybe

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a fan of Alien to on Earth did have

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a scene like this. Whether this was for copyright reasons

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>or for pure gross out, I do not know. I

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 1>have included a link to the trailer for the film

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that includes a very similar scene. Certainly, in the wake

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of Alien you see a lot of needless scenes where

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>creatures bust out of people. Um uh, you know, specifically,

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Humanoids from the Deep comes to mind, is a film that,

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>among its various problems, one is that they were like,

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.760
<v Speaker 1>we got to end it in a chest blair bursting scene,

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.280
<v Speaker 1>work it into the plot, and they're like, yes, Corman,

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>we will. I'm only half listening to you because I'm

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>watching this trailer now and uh oh yeah, yeah, I

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>just got to a face bursting scene. This looks to

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>me like a alien Okay, it's called Alien to on

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Earth nineteen eighty. It looks like a work of sort

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>of cinema italianissimo going on here. Uh, sort of like

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>all the Italian Jaws sequels and whatnot. Exactly. Yeah, I'm

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>getting that vibe. Okay, Well, I'm well, the time frame

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.919
<v Speaker 1>is right, Uh yeah, I'm on board. I'll watch it. Sure.

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>If it was made in the eighties by Italians and

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>it has blood in it. Yeah, I'll probably do it.

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Is that blood orange? I hope? So Okay, Uh, well,

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe we should take another break there and then come

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>back and uh and do a few more and then

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 1>wrap up. Thank alright, we're back. Uh. I want to

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>make a take a quick moment here to talk a

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit about another sword wielding um warrior and that

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>being uh the legendary Irish hero uh Ko Holland or

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Ku Collen or Cocallen. We had a lot of Irish

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>listeners right in about this and uh uh correct us

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>on the pronunciation or give their two cents on the pronunciation. Um. So,

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>first of all, I want to mention that I reached

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>out to my friend Lynus online, who is not a

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>listener to the show because he sucks but he but

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.439
<v Speaker 1>he is Irish and so he I asked him away,

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>what your how would you say this? And he said

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>he told me that it would be uh Collen. Granted

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't much help, as it occurred after we recorded

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>the episode. We also heard from listener Ben in the

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>discussion module that's our Facebook discussion group stuff to Blow

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 1>your Mind discussion module, and he said, uh quote their

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>three dialects in Irish donegal, uh, kannamara and munster, and

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 1>they all vary. I've heard the second see pronounced as

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 1>a hard see and your pronunciation as well. Irish people

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>always disagree I'm unciation depending on where they're from. You

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>guys did a great job and I love the episode.

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 1>And then it was also pointed out that the Popes

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>have a song on the album Rum Saw tom Me

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.720
<v Speaker 1>in the Lash, which I listened to a lot. Um

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah years back. It just wasn't in my my head

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>to go back and um, you know, I didn't remember

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>uh that there was a poge song that mentioned him.

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.359
<v Speaker 1>But in that song you hear Shane mcgallen saying more

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 1>like Kokleen Collen. Uh So if we were to go

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>with Shane McGowan, um, then yeah, we were incorrect in

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>our episode for sure. Well it sounds like they can't

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>even make up their own minds. Well, my interpretation is

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that we were probably wrong. But if we really wanted

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to like dig our heels in and say no, we

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 1>know what we're talking about with I re pronunciation foolishly,

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>then we would be able to perhaps back up our

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>case by pointing to a particular dialect. But uh, I'm

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to say we probably uh messed up the

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>pronunciation a little bit there, but it seems like everybody

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:05.919
<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed the episode regardless, so our apologies. Well, I'll

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>try to do cuculin from now on. But man, those

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Irish ones are they're harder than most languages. They're mouthful,

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>all right. Continuing on the subject of pronunciation, we also

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>got quite a few communications about the productive pronunciation of

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>uranus a k a uranus. It's perfectly we're going from

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>cuculin to uranus, right, since that's exactly where the guy

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:32.760
<v Speaker 1>bowl go went exactly goes straight into Whereon knows. Apparently

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 1>that's another way to do it. So listener Nile writes

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and says, sorry, but when you went off on your

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>pronunciation of uranus, it reminded me of one of my

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 1>favorite jokes, which you're welcome to use. I'm sure I

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 1>heard it from someone somewhere, you know how jokes go.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, why is the Starship Enterprise like a roll

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 1>of toilet paper? Because they both circle uranus looking for Klingon's.

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>That is that's one of the worst jokes ever. Worse

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 1>off for having heard that should we cut it out now?

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 1>We gotta keep it now sadly? Okay, Albert gets in

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 1>touch and says, hey, guys, on the topic of pronunciation,

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I had an observation. I speak Japanese, which uses a

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>phonetic alphabet in Japanese uh uranus or uranus is. And

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 1>then he uses some Japanese characters which you would write

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:24.800
<v Speaker 1>as uranusu, which is pronounced with all short vowels uh

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>short vowels. So I guess that'd be URANUSU like uranusa. Yeah,

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>that sounds good. Or oranassa maybe I don't know. I

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>guess that would be oranassa maybe I don't know. Anyway,

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Albert says, this got me thinking that your two ways

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>uranus and urinus might both be wrong. Well, it's acceptable

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in English, but what does the original Greek sound like?

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:50.879
<v Speaker 1>And then he sort of points us to the fact

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that from what I can tell, it might be that

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the Greek uranus or oh you are a n u

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>s might be pronounced something kind of like where a

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>no use where. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.399
<v Speaker 1>say that for the planet. I think I'm gonna say uranus. Yeah. Well,

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>how about what about the mythological entity. How if the

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>if if Uranus appear to you and you had to

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to greet them by name, which pronunciation would you use? Again,

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>bearing in mind that you were dealing with an entity

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 1>from Greek mythology and that they are a a tiresome

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and spiteful bunch. If I had to do that, I

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>think I go neither of our ways. Uh, it would

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>not be Uranus. It would not be Uranus. It would

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 1>be uran Us. Okay, it's probably safe and it does

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>sound regal enough, I think. But you're not gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>me to call the planet uran us. I'm sorry. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>we greatly appreciate the thoughts on pronunciation here. Oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. All right, what have we gotten next? Drabberty?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh let's see. We still we have a plethora of

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<v Speaker 1>things we could potentially read, but we are beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>run out of time. All right, here's another bit of

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>listener mail. This one comes to us from Simon. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe high stuff to blow your mind. Team. I'm an

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<v Speaker 1>Australian researcher working in the north of Sweden. I discovered

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>your podcast a few months ago, and in that time

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I've listened to an embarrassing amount. I've been a fan

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>of the podcast medium for a long time, but your

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>podcast is, without a doubt, the finest I've listened to.

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's super nice. Robert and Joe are the perfect host,

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 1>somehow striking the ideal balance of intelligence, humor, and approachability

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<v Speaker 1>no mean feat. The other thing that sets your podcast

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<v Speaker 1>apart is your diverse choice of topics, which are often

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<v Speaker 1>surprising and always fascinating. I've been telling everyone I can

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<v Speaker 1>to give it an invention a listen. Well, you're two kinds, Simon,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate it. This brings me to an idea for

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<v Speaker 1>a potential episode. Having moved around a lot, I've noticed

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<v Speaker 1>a peculiar side to many of the cultures I've come across,

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of folkloric household spirits. Growing up, my Welsh

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<v Speaker 1>mother would tell my brothers and I about the boab Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>a generally benevolent spirit that tended the home while we

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<v Speaker 1>all slept. If treated with respect and occasionally given a

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<v Speaker 1>bowl of milk or some bread and honey, the bow

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<v Speaker 1>would continue its role as a kindly steward of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>If disrespected or neglected, the Bobbach could take on a

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<v Speaker 1>more ambivalent or a mischievous role. The archetype can be

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<v Speaker 1>found repeated in many cultures. In England and Scotland, it

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<v Speaker 1>is known as the brownie or the hob in Ireland,

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the puka in Germany, the cobalt in Denmark, the nie

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<v Speaker 1>s in Spain, the Duinde in France, the lutin, and

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 1>here in Sweden the tom tape. It's obviously a Western

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>European bias here, likely stemming from a common ancestor spirit

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.920
<v Speaker 1>such as the Laures of ancient Rome, but there are

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 1>certainly analogs in African and Eastern cultures. There are also

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<v Speaker 1>a number of great examples of these creatures in literature

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<v Speaker 1>and films, such as Puck from Amid Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>Night's Dream and the character of Hinselman from American Gods,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the Gremlins from the nineteen eighties could be

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<v Speaker 1>linked to this concept. Having listened to your previous episodes

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<v Speaker 1>on folklore, particularly Jenny Green Teeth and The Willow of

0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the Wisp, I believe your team could do an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>job of dealing with the many facets of these creatures

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and beliefs. Why do some cultures have them and some not?

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Why do they What do they say about is how

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<v Speaker 1>did some of these pagan concepts survive Christianity and formalized

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<v Speaker 1>religion and modernization while others were lost though not as

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<v Speaker 1>immediate as other folk laric entities where wolves, vampires, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something so enigmatic and disturbing about the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>creatures lurking in the peripheries of our homes. Best regards

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<v Speaker 1>from Snowy, Sweden, and thanks again for the wonderful podcast. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Simon. I think that's a great idea for

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<v Speaker 1>an episode to explore. Yeah, totally, And you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>immediately reminded that there there are variations of this that

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you see in uh in Chinese mythology. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>most obvious being like that of like of of certainly

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 1>of of a household spirit or god, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen god. But you do see this kind of thing echoed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in a lot of different mythologies and folklore's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that there are there are not only the

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<v Speaker 1>strange entities and spirits of the woods and the waste,

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<v Speaker 1>but also of the immediate domicile. I can absolutely see

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<v Speaker 1>how beliefs like this are especially likely to survive the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of devastating sweep of an organized religion that conquers

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, yeah, you might see, like Christianity conquers Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and it largely gets rid of organized pagan religion, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet pagan beliefs that are sort of private and concerned

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<v Speaker 1>with with the secret parts of life remain. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>make sense? Oh? Absolutely, and especially if there's not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something in the new religion that really scratches the same itch.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's not going to it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>satisfy the you know this particular you know, dark or

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.880
<v Speaker 1>just unstated corner of everyday experience. In fact, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>reading stories when I visited Iceland a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We were learning about the history of Iceland and they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're like National Museum and Ricky vic And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the things I remember reading about there

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<v Speaker 1>and some of their exhibits was the Christianization of Iceland.

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<v Speaker 1>So they I think, I don't remember which they were under,

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<v Speaker 1>different like imperial powers from northern Europe at different times,

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<v Speaker 1>under like Denmark or Norway or Sweden, I guess, but

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<v Speaker 1>at some point the Christianization impulse came from abroad and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, Okay, Iceland, you've got to become Christians now.

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 1>So the leaders of their clans got together and they

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<v Speaker 1>essentially negotiated a compromise. And the negotiated compromise was that

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<v Speaker 1>they would be Christians and do Christian worship in public

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:30.760
<v Speaker 1>as long as they could still keep doing their pagan

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.919
<v Speaker 1>practices in private at home. Interesting, well, that's a great

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:37.360
<v Speaker 1>way for the your more minor household spirits to survive

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 1>the change, all right. So we've got another message here.

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<v Speaker 1>This comes to us in response to our episode about

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<v Speaker 1>tunneling underground. This is from our listener Lee. Lee writes,

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<v Speaker 1>greetings from Australia. I'm guessing you're going to get a

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of these because we were taught this in school.

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Just following up regarding your episode about tunnelers in Cooper Petty.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm saying that right, but uh

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<v Speaker 1>c O O B E R P E d Y,

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<v Speaker 1>South Australia, about eight hundred kilometers north of the state's capital, Adelaide.

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<v Speaker 1>People live underground, but it is a fairly recent development.

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 1>The community did begin as one of the largest opal

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 1>mining communities in the world. However, people began living underground

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.600
<v Speaker 1>in dugouts because the heat and the painted desert can

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<v Speaker 1>be extreme over thirty degrees celsius and dry for six

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 1>months of the year and in winter it will usually

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 1>be in the twenties. They also didn't have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>or seek permission to extend their houses, and it's relatively

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<v Speaker 1>cheap and quick to get materials when you are an

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>independent miner to build a house underground. Underground in Cooper Petty,

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the temperature is a constant twenty six. I guess that's

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>also celsius, which is quite nice and cool. However, they

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>are not necessarily caves or underground. They also build mounds

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and live within them like in the picture, and these

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>are the most common and Lee attaches a picture. Noticeably,

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<v Speaker 1>this town is only about four hundred kilometers north of Woomera,

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the old rocket base in the middle of nowhere, with

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 1>air conditioning and modern transport. Uh and uh. Lisa's mail

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 1>was delivered by camel to Alice Springs till the nineteen sixties. UH.

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 1>It is easier to build houses above ground, but these

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 1>houses are staple and a tourist attraction, particularly when teaching

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>students about using resources for practicality. It's also interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about Neanderthals going underground. Indigenous Australians of multiple cultures

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<v Speaker 1>would not, and did not, as a general rule, enter

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 1>deep caves where it was dark for extended periods of time,

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>whether lava tubes or limestone. Predominantly we only find geological

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 1>history or animal remains in these environments, with human artifacts

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 1>found in shallow caves on or near cave entrances, but

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.479
<v Speaker 1>it would still be freaky sleeping near a deep cave

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>system when you were unsure what was behind you in

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the dark. The Iwamian people, for example, at and around

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dara lava tubes in northeast Queensland, refused to enter

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the caves or drink water from them. They believe that

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the caves would curse them and if they didn't die

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>in there, corditya which is a boogeyman think birds in

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:09.680
<v Speaker 1>the village style well would come and get them. Scientifically,

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.959
<v Speaker 1>the caves actually fill with dangerous levels of gas. Can't

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>remember which one, and this creates an unhealthy environment. The

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<v Speaker 1>Cutter Cut a limestone caves in Catherine, Northern Territory, whilst

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.799
<v Speaker 1>seeing an experienced by the jaw Win and mentioned in

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:26.920
<v Speaker 1>their dreaming was not widely used as climbing in and

0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>out of a dark cave where you can't actually see

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>something would be very annoying and not useful for everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind regards Lee. Oh, excellent, I love hearing about that. Yeah,

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I remember the this particular Australian town came up in

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<v Speaker 1>some of our our research, but we ended up not

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 1>really uh you know, pulling on that thread. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's great to hear it broken down a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>by a native Australia. All right, here's we're getting down

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 1>through the end here, but here just a few more.

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 1>This one comes to us from Adam. Hey, guys, I'm

0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>listening to the episode on the white spotted puffer fish

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and you men and that other animals like bower birds

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<v Speaker 1>have elaborate behaviors or physical characteristics purely for fitness demonstration

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.319
<v Speaker 1>to attract mates. However, there is an emerging hypothesis that

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>these actually evolved because of female esthetic preferences, with no

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:15.800
<v Speaker 1>relationship or even a negative relationship with fitness. This was

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.279
<v Speaker 1>originally proposed by Charles Darwin, but fell out a favor

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>until recently. It is not the consensus idea for selection

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.359
<v Speaker 1>of these characteristics, but it is gaining an acceptance. There's

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 1>also a link to a full text article on pub

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>med Central below. This topic could be worth a mention

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>during listener mail or as an episode keep up the

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 1>great work, Adam ps all hail the great basilisk just

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>in case, and then he included a link for us

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<v Speaker 1>to check out. Well, that's a good point, Adam. I

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember us saying that we knew it was

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>purely for fitness demonstration as opposed to so fitness demonstration.

0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess would be either way, you are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>appeal to mates by showing off a particular characteristic. And

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I guess the debate would be, is the characteristic in

0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>in biology what's known as like an on a signal,

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Does it like actually signal fitness in the way that

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 1>it might be perceived to versus is it just purely

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a decoration? Is it something that serves no actual purpose,

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't actually show whether or not you're fit in some

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>other way like free of parasites, are healthy or something

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 1>like that and whatever we actually said in the episode. Yeah,

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I think Adam's right. We we don't always know the

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 1>difference there. Sometimes there might be Uh, might be ways

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.280
<v Speaker 1>in which a signal is useful in ways we don't realize,

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.239
<v Speaker 1>or or use less in ways we don't realize. All right, Joe,

0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we only have time for one more here,

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 1>because Carney has has gone full on Highlander three and

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 1>is now in Mario Van People's mod Oh, so you've

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 1>gotta you gotta gotta pick one and then and then

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to call it. Well, it looks like

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 1>this is from our listener Aaron, regarding the Jumping Fish

0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 1>episode that we re aired recently as a as a

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Vault episode on Saturday. Aaron says, Howdy, been listening to

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:52.759
<v Speaker 1>the podcast for a month and a half. Now I

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 1>was listening to one from the vault just now, and

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:58.759
<v Speaker 1>you discuss whether or not the Kendru has swam up

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a person's urethra or remember in the Jumping Fish episode,

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that's where we talked about this urban legend or possible

0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:08.080
<v Speaker 1>urban legend, that this Amazonian fish called the Candru can

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 1>get into men's your e throws by swimming up the

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 1>stream of a man's urine as he peas into the river.

0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 1>We said that, you know, it might actually be able

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to get get in there. We don't know, but it's

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>definitely not going to be swimming up a stream of

0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 1>urine through the air. Continuing with Aaron's email, Aaron says,

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Wade actually interviews a victim and doctor that removed

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the fish in one episode of River Monsters. I think

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 1>that's a show about scary fish. It is, Yes, I've

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>seen it before. It pretty good. Uh, there was actual

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>video of them removing the fish. Regardless of whether or

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.120
<v Speaker 1>not the mode of the fish inserting itself happened, it

0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:48.200
<v Speaker 1>appears as though it did happen. Indeed, it is rare,

0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:50.200
<v Speaker 1>but it can happen if you're to believe the story.

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 1>If you watch season one, episode fit, episode Fish, episode six,

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you will see that the canderu is quite a scary

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>little fish. Well, okay, I still don't believe they can

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>swim up through the air through a stream of urine.

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.920
<v Speaker 1>But I you know, if there's a candio around and

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you've got to your ether, I'd say, don't put it

0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 1>in there. Don't let it get in there. Always good advice.

0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:16.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, it looks like Carney has finally calmed down.

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It looks like his his his infection has run its course,

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 1>he has reached the quickening state and is now one again.

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna have close out this episode. We think

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<v Speaker 1>everybody who wrote in, whether we got to read your

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