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Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Calllida Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, best workday of the week. Hey, everybody, Friday.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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Speaker 3: you on a Friday, the last Friday before the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 3: and plenty of plenty of things for us to get to,

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Speaker 3: not only league wide, but here at One Bill's Drive Today.

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Speaker 3: Players in the offseason conditioning program have Fridays off, but

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Speaker 3: Tyler Bass was on site today Steve to sign his

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Speaker 3: four year contract extension. The third year kicker locked up

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Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 2: Good for him.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about making the most of an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: A sixth round draft pick in twenty twenty got his

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Speaker 3: big money second contract, you know, generational wealth.

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Speaker 4: Steve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what the terms are, but very nice.

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Speaker 2: Good for him and that he's deserved it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I you don't really worry about Tyler Bass at all.

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Speaker 2: And plus he's doing it in Buffalo, which and there's

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Speaker 2: been a couple of times and he's not perfect on

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Speaker 2: his extra points, and you think back to the ones

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Speaker 2: he's missed. It's been in like forty mile an hour wins,

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Speaker 2: snowing sideways.

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Speaker 4: Or sixty one yard attempts or sixty.

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Speaker 2: One yard attempts. It's unbelievable how good he's been in

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Speaker 2: the conditions he's been asked to perform in. And you know,

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Speaker 2: for a kicker, there's so much you cannot control, from

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Speaker 2: the snap to the hold to the weather, and you're

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Speaker 2: expected to perform at a high level, and he has

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Speaker 2: done so. So I'm I think you're hard pressed. You

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Speaker 2: would be hard pressed to find a Bills fan who's

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Speaker 2: not on board with Tyler Bass and an.

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Speaker 3: Extension kickoff or sorry kicking percentage his rookie year he

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Speaker 3: was eighty two point four percent. Each of the last

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Speaker 3: two seasons over eighty seven percent, and that was with

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Speaker 3: only a few fewer attempts than he had in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty thirty four attempts in twenty twenty thirty two and

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Speaker 3: thirty one over the last two seasons, but eighty seven

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Speaker 3: and a half percent success rate in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: eighty seven point one percent success rate in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: And you look at his attempts from fifty yards plus career,

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Speaker 3: he is eight for thirteen. I mean, he's almost seventy

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Speaker 3: five percent from fifty yards plus, kicking half of his

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Speaker 3: games in Buffalo, Right, that's pretty damn good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very good, very good. And they've had some

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Speaker 2: some of the most horrific weather we've seen in Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: It would have been worse had they not been able

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Speaker 2: to move a couple of those games to Detroit one

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Speaker 4: Anyway, kicking in six feet of snow is right.

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Speaker 2: And you know the playoff, the regular season Monday night

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Speaker 2: game here against New England where it's forty mile an

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Speaker 2: hour wins, You've got the snow games. It's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing after another. He really has been thrown

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Speaker 2: at it and done extremely well, very well.

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Speaker 3: He brought this up on his Zoom conference call with

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Speaker 3: the media earlier today, and I think it's it's a

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Speaker 3: noteworthy point to make. Entering his fourth NFL season, this

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Speaker 3: is the first time that he is entering a season

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Speaker 3: with the same holder that he had the previous season

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Speaker 3: in Sam Martin, who signed a one year deal last

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Speaker 3: August with the Bills and then re signed this offseason.

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Speaker 3: So they had to get up to speed quickly just

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Speaker 3: before the regular season last year and now he's got

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Speaker 3: that same guy back this season. He said, Ah, what's

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Speaker 3: the big deal. It doesn't look like it's impacted he's

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Speaker 3: kicking success rate at all. It's just peace of mind

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Speaker 3: for a kicker, and peace of mind for a kicker

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Speaker 3: is gold.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, gold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't. They can take they can finally take

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Speaker 2: a step forward, maybe from where they were a year ago,

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Speaker 4: He said, there's zero learning curve now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it'll be interesting to see. We've got

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Speaker 2: I guess a few clips maybe from his live zoom

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Speaker 2: that was earlier today. But you know, I'd be interested

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Speaker 2: in knowing if he kicks or how much he does

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Speaker 2: kick in the off season. A lot of guys just trained.

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Speaker 3: He didn't really address that. Yeah, I mean he doesn't practice.

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Speaker 3: I would like to think that training in this day

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Speaker 3: that they know their body, whether they have a personal

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Speaker 3: they know how much they should kick in the off

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Speaker 4: Tax their leg. If you know what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying, absolutely, you got to train your whole body. They

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Speaker 2: don't just train their kicking leg I mean they're you know,

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Speaker 2: like a regular athlete does. I say regular athlete. He's

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Speaker 2: And then the you know, exponentially your legs gets stay

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Speaker 2: get out of balance. I don't think as an athlete

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Speaker 2: because there's so much that can happen in the midst

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Speaker 2: tackle once in a while on kickoff, So they train

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Speaker 2: like an athlete. I'm just interested to find out, you know,

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Speaker 2: because every guy's all these guys make their own thing,

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Speaker 2: because you're right, they they make their own schedule about training,

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Speaker 2: and they all have different feelings about how much to kick.

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Speaker 2: And there's a difference between kicking from one of those

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Speaker 2: kicking it. All of that stuff goes into the mix.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to think about. You got no snapper

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Speaker 2: actually snap and hold for him. So, uh, it's I'm

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Speaker 2: interested in that. I'm interested because it's it's got a

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Speaker 2: how much they can kick, and what quality of practice

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Speaker 2: they can get. Certainly can kick against air and just

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Speaker 2: sit the ball down with a little holder, that's not.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't be the practice you need. Although it would

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Speaker 2: be nice training, that's not the practice you need. You

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Speaker 2: need practice with like four thousand sets of eyes standing

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Speaker 3: Well, you just film it, you know, film your how

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Speaker 3: you're kicking it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can review it later. That's the other

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I wanted to point out was

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Speaker 3: we got some Twitter feedback after the extension was announced

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Speaker 3: where some Bill's fans were like, how do you pay

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Speaker 3: Tyler Bass this kind of money? It was reported out

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Speaker 4: With twenty one million dollars.

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Speaker 3: The Bills don't release contract terms as a policy, but

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Speaker 3: they're like, how can the Capstrap Bills do this? And

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Speaker 3: blah blah, Blah. I think there is a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a misconception. Contract extensions actually can provide cap relief

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Speaker 3: for an organization because the length of the contract allows

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Speaker 3: you to spread the money out in a creative fashion

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Speaker 3: to alleviate the cap problems you might have in a

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Speaker 3: given year twenty twenty three for the Bills, And so,

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Speaker 3: based on some of the reports I've seen out there,

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Speaker 3: Tyler Bass's cap hit this year is going to be

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Speaker 3: a hair over a million dollars. So that is a

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Speaker 3: drop in the bucket, and I'm going to be interested

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Speaker 3: to see if he's even one of the top fifty

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Speaker 3: one salaries. I think he will be, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know that that's a lock. So it's it's a cap

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Speaker 3: friendly extension for the Bills as it pertains to this

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Speaker 3: Bean and his salary cap experts Jim Overdorf and Kevin

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Speaker 3: Megank that they have structured this in a way that

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Speaker 3: benefits the team so that they're in a position to

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Speaker 3: do whatever business they need to do. This year to

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Speaker 3: finalize the roster. It's just it's simple business. One oh

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Speaker 3: one that don't worry. They got it covered. Don't worry

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Speaker 4: Trust me.

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Speaker 3: The national NFL news that was dropped like a bombshell

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Speaker 3: about an hour ago deals with more players that are

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Speaker 3: violating the gambling policy NFL players, coaches, employees, even like us.

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Speaker 3: You cannot gamble on the NFL and any other sport

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Speaker 3: for that matter. It is prohibited. And yet we saw

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jaguar. He missed all of last season, cost himself

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Speaker 3: eleven million dollars in salary by betting fifteen hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: it was missed all of last year, and the threat

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Speaker 3: was he was suspended indefinitely. It could have even been

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Speaker 3: beyond the twenty twenty two season. He was reinstated a

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Six players were punished for gambling on games or I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Five players were punished by the league for betting on games.

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Speaker 2: Three of those not NFL games, They were USFL games, right.

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Speaker 3: Three of those players, Quintes Cephis and CJ. Moore of

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Speaker 3: Lions wasted no time. Quintes Cephas and CJ. Moore, after

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Speaker 3: they are out of a job after betting on USFL games. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: reinstatement after the twenty twenty three season, No sooner.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, there were two.

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Speaker 3: Other Lions players, Stanley Berryhill and Jamison Williams. They were

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Speaker 3: maybe until the very end. I think he was practicing

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Speaker 3: or two. Regardless, he is now going to miss the

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Speaker 3: first six games of his second NFL season for betting,

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Speaker 3: and he and Barry Hill only got suspended for six games.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm trying to.

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Speaker 2: There is also the Lions reported also that before this

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Speaker 2: that were also part of some sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: they were gambling on stuff they shouldn't have been gambling on.

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Speaker 2: Not NFL games, but you know, on a gambling app

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Speaker 2: or whatever it was. They violated the rules as well,

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Speaker 2: and they were The Lions parted ways with them as well.

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Speaker 3: The best part is they placed these bets while they

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Speaker 4: Like holy cow.

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Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, you shouldn't even have an

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's number one. I don't gamble, so

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Speaker 2: it kind of doesn't affect me. But if all and

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Speaker 2: you've got I mean, it's a lengthy that you got

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Speaker 2: to sign, and you know you're very aware of the rules.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you like, well, they even find us every year, right,

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Speaker 3: Well, the only difference now is they have a specific

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Speaker 4: Yeah, under the collective argument.

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Speaker 3: The thing that does not compute for me is you

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Speaker 4: Moore, you gotta think too, they're out of a job.

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Speaker 2: Right, so they've got to and then they've got to

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Speaker 2: apply for reinstatement. And it's not like those guys. Those

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Speaker 3: It's it's I don't get it. I just there's something

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Speaker 3: It's players over the head with this, like do not

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Speaker 4: No rule bending here. It's very black and white. There's

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Speaker 2: We're at the Yeah, we're at the point where and

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Speaker 2: no improprieties going on. It has always been the fear

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Speaker 2: on a different NFL game something well, yes, that was

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Speaker 2: very different. But Alex Carris and I don't know if

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Speaker 2: The league is very sensitive to it. You just it

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Speaker 2: it's sorry, nothing happened to me, Like well, okay, I

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Speaker 2: like that. Whatever, I like that, bat whatever, what are

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Speaker 3: The thing, The thing that's even crazier is you already

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Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley, Like here's here's your here's your poster child

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Speaker 4: You don't do it.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you gotta be living under a rock

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Speaker 3: to know that Calvin Ridley was if you didn't know

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Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley was suspended for the entire twenty twenty two season.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing here, here's the biga part.

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Speaker 4: They're both from Alabama. They probably know each other.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, and this is what happened. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: they were betting on cricket, it really doesn't matter. They

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Speaker 2: something in China. Fine, but you can't do it in

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Speaker 3: Perhaps it's it's mind blowing, it really is. I just

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Speaker 3: don't know how you walk down that path with all

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately guys like Quinta A. Cephas and CJ. Moore

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Speaker 3: So that's that I had not seen this at all, Steve,

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Speaker 4: The other day.

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Speaker 3: But the Cowboys picked up the fifty year option for

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Speaker 2: So that was that was done. They did it, but

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Speaker 2: So you knew they would pick it up, but they

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Speaker 3: There is general consensus out there among those national reporters

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame's Michael Meyer is more likely to be the

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Speaker 3: everything well and because he is a complete all around

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Speaker 3: begs the question could just see up to three or

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Speaker 3: Kincaid and Mayor are the two most likely first rounders

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Speaker 3: to go. Does Luke Musgrave creep up? And that's a

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Speaker 3: another reason he slides into round two. Darnell Washington may

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Speaker 3: don't know if we're gonna get I mean, maybe three,

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Speaker 4: I think two is a safe bet.

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Speaker 2: And maybe three. You might get the two top guys

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Speaker 4: Washington with his elite physical trades.

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Speaker 2: Who is just too big an enticement, his athleticism and

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Speaker 2: Rock Bowers, who's really really good.

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Speaker 4: And might be a top ten pick next year.

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Speaker 2: And so there's that. Plus he was playing on an

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Speaker 2: But when he got on, he did some things and

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Speaker 2: his measurables are absolutely off the chart and never seen

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Speaker 2: So that is an enticement that will sneak him into

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Speaker 3: Then there was this b Jean Robinson, Steve. We all

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Speaker 3: fans who you know do not want the Bill. Well,

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Speaker 3: there is a good contingent of Bills fans that would

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Speaker 3: told you for a while, b Jeon Robinson has got

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Speaker 2: To the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: I know Howie Roseman has never taken a running back

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Speaker 3: It just makes too much sense for them to take

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Speaker 3: him there because you plug him and Jalen Hurts. As

441
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Speaker 3: much as he has impressed as a young quarterback in

442
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Speaker 3: this league, the fact remains in my mind that he

443
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Speaker 3: needs a competent running attack that defenses have to respect

444
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: to make him the most effective quarterback he can be.

445
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: They currently do not have a featured runner in their

446
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: arsenal on their roster right now, Bjeon Robinson makes way

447
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: too much sense not to mention the fact that they

448
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Speaker 3: have another first round pick down at thirty to address

449
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Speaker 3: other positional areas that they may feel they need to address.

450
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Speaker 3: So I think it's because everybody has the book on Bijon.

451
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Speaker 3: Do you need to bring the best running back in

452
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Speaker 3: for a pre draft visit? Like, yeah, I don't know

453
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Speaker 3: that you need to. The tape speaks for its.

454
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Speaker 4: He's supposed to be a pretty good character kid.

455
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Speaker 3: So only two pre draft visits may be eye opening,

456
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Speaker 3: but it's a think I don't know anybody needs to

457
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Speaker 3: know anything else about this guy.

458
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Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly the number one back.

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Speaker 2: I think you've got a threshold of him. Everybody knows

460
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Speaker 2: where you pick any of the bills are at twenty seven,

461
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Speaker 2: fifty nine, ninety one, one thirty seven. No I'm saying that,

462
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Speaker 2: but so you get you know that, and if and

463
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Speaker 2: you're saying, okay for the bills, if he's there at

464
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Speaker 2: our third pick, we'll take him, or whatever our second

465
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Speaker 2: or whatever you pick that and if he's there, you'll

466
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Speaker 2: take him. If he's not, okay, Same thing with other teams,

467
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Speaker 2: so you don't have to go out and see the

468
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Speaker 2: guy other Most likely you're using your thirty visits on

469
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Speaker 2: guys who listen, he's gonna we want to jump up

470
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Speaker 2: for this guy or drop back for this guy. Who

471
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Speaker 2: do we really like in this draft? So you're to

472
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Speaker 2: saving your visits for guys you have more questions about.

473
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Speaker 2: And there you have it. It's twenty seven, fifty nine,

474
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Speaker 2: ninety one, one thirty one, thirty seven and two of five.

475
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Speaker 2: So if the Bills are thinking, okay, if he's there

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Speaker 2: at one thirty or one thirty seven, we're gonna take him.

477
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Speaker 2: And the only time we take him at one thirty

478
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Speaker 2: is if we don't take him at one thirties. If

479
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Speaker 2: such and such falls to one thirty or whatever, they'll

480
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Speaker 2: have a threshold of those picks. And if he'll they

481
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Speaker 2: may say, if Bijon falls to ninety one, will take him.

482
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Speaker 2: He's not going to no right, So they'll use their visits,

483
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Speaker 2: and all these teams have fairly the same philosophy. We'll

484
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Speaker 2: use our visits on guys who we may be willing

485
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Speaker 2: to reach on to that nobody else does, or guys

486
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Speaker 2: we have questions about. We have gotta have conversations about

487
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Speaker 2: if we draft the guy, what kind of guy is he?

488
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Speaker 2: And it's you know, they'll they'll save him for those

489
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Speaker 2: guys and basically for guys they think who might fall

490
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Speaker 2: to him at number one, not number ninety one. So

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Speaker 2: that's why Bjeon Robinson is not gonna show up in Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: We want to rely on. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It is OBL Fan Friday mail Bag. So if you

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Speaker 3: have any questions on the draft, some draft prospects, the Bills,

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Speaker 3: their situation, the league, get large, you let us know

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Speaker 3: at eight oh three oh five point fifty one eight

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Speaker 3: eight eight five point fifty two five fifty the number

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Speaker 3: to get on board to get an open line for

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Speaker 3: you there right now, and you could also hit us

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Speaker 3: up with a question on the tweetsheet at one Bills Live.

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Speaker 3: We will step aside here, but your phone calls coming

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Speaker 3: up next. Dennis and Williamsville, Judy and Buffalo hang tight.

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Speaker 3: Radio OBL Fan mail Bag Friday, and we've got your

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Speaker 3: questions ready to roll. First on the phones is where

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Speaker 3: we're headed and leading us off today is Dennis Williamsville.

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Speaker 4: What do you got Forst? Dennis? You're on one Bills Live.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, A couple of things. First, you guys were

511
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 6: just talking about some tight ends there, and I know

512
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Speaker 6: this is going going a little bit deep, but there's

513
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Speaker 6: a kid out of Old Dominion. His name is Zach

514
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Speaker 6: Kuntz who's looking maybe like a third or fourth round player.

515
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Speaker 6: But I know everybody's talking about Darnell Washington with all

516
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 6: of his elite traits, but athletically, Zach Kountz is very

517
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Speaker 6: comparable to what he is able to do. The only

518
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Speaker 6: thing is that, you know, he's at Old Dominion, so

519
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 6: he's not playing at that elite level. But I think

520
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Speaker 6: he tested highest athletically in the combine, can jump out

521
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 6: of the gym super fast, really really athletic guy, great hands.

522
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Speaker 6: So that'll be a guy, you know, if you're not

523
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Speaker 6: looking to maybe really invest highly in tight end early,

524
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Speaker 6: but you want a traits kind of guy, you know,

525
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Speaker 6: third or fourth round, that might be a really interesting

526
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Speaker 6: look for the Bills, you know. And then also just

527
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Speaker 6: in terms of philosophy of draft, you know, I kind

528
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Speaker 6: of think that we're at the point where it almost

529
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Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna be able to beat bad teams

530
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Speaker 6: with the defense that we have, and we're gonna have

531
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Speaker 6: to beat good teams with a superior offense. And I think,

532
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Speaker 6: like you know, we've we've been exposing the playoffs because

533
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Speaker 6: we've had a very good defense, but it's really hard

534
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Speaker 6: to stop Patrick Mahomes. You have to outscore them. You

535
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Speaker 6: have to outscore Joe Burrow. You know, you can beat

536
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Speaker 6: sub part quarterbacks with good defenses throughout the year. But

537
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Speaker 6: if we're gonna make that next step, I mean, we

538
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Speaker 6: have to start putting some investment in the first and

539
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Speaker 6: second round into our offense to help Josh out. And

540
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Speaker 6: so that's where I think the difference is. You know,

541
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Speaker 6: if we're drafting to win a Super Bowl, we have

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Speaker 6: to put elite pieces around Josh.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Yeah, I mean, yeah, thanks Jan, It's appreciated,

544
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Speaker 3: all right.

545
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Speaker 2: Good players make you better, no question. Elite players make

546
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: you better, no question about it. I get it. I

547
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: think the Bills want to get into a spot where

548
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Speaker 2: they have the ability to take the best player on

549
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Speaker 2: the board, whether he's offense or defense. I don't think

550
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Speaker 2: it has anything to do with the position the guy plays,

551
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: because a great player is gonna help you wherever that

552
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: position can help you. If it's linebacker, if it's safety,

553
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Speaker 2: if it's corner, defensive tackle, edge rusher, that guy's gonna

554
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: help you when it's his turn to help you, and

555
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna help you win games. Your team's gonna get

556
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Speaker 2: that much better. Certainly, an elite quarterback helps you in

557
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: a variety more ways than other teams. And certainly a

558
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: wide receiver can help on quarterback play better. And all that,

559
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Speaker 2: I will say it again, and I'll keep saying it.

560
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: There ain't no magic elixir that's gonna put the Bills

561
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Speaker 2: over the hump. There is no hump. There is no

562
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Speaker 2: getting them to the next level. They're on the level

563
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Speaker 2: where they need to be. They've got to play well

564
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Speaker 2: on the day when they play the Chiefs, and they

565
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: play the Cincinnati Bengals, when they play the Chargers, when

566
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Speaker 2: they play whatever other team you want to throw into

567
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Speaker 2: that mix. They've just got to play well on that day.

568
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: They are good enough, they have been good enough for

569
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: three years to beat any of those teams on any day,

570
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Speaker 2: in any weather, in any stadium. But they got to

571
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: play well that day. There ain't no figuring the Bills out.

572
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: They ain't like they come in there. Oh yeah, the

573
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals figured the Bills out this last January. No,

574
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: the Bills played bad on that game day. Wasn't that

575
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: they got figured out. They didn't have Daikwon Jones, they

576
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: didn't have Von Miller, they didn't have Micah Hyde, they

577
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: didn't have you know, players they needed to have to win.

578
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: They weren't the same team. They weren't the same team

579
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Speaker 2: on the field with the players and the roster, and

580
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: they certainly weren't the same team mentally because of what

581
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Speaker 2: happened on January second in Cincinnati on Monday night. Ain't no,

582
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Speaker 2: there's nothing in this draft, no player that is gonna

583
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Speaker 2: make the Bills a contender, more so than the guys

584
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Speaker 2: they got on the roster right now. Certainly there's good

585
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: players available. There ain't no guarantee any of them can

586
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: even make the team. They're good enough now, and Brandon

587
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Bean said it as well, we can win games with

588
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: the guys we got on the roster now. Certainly, if

589
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: you can get some guys that can help, we'll take them.

590
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: We'll take them. But the Bills are gonna be good

591
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: again this year. They're gonna plow through this season. I'm

592
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: not saying they're gonna go thirteen and three and then

593
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: and win, lose three games by a total of eight

594
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: points by some fluke and some absolute horrendous bad luck.

595
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Speaker 2: They're not gonna maybe not that, but they're gonna be good,

596
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: really good. So I get that. There is no Yeah,

597
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Speaker 2: we don't have to draft an elite weapon to put

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Speaker 2: this team over the top. Absolutely not. They don't have

599
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: to draft, they don't have to draft a single soul.

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Speaker 2: And all these other teams in the afcaster are still

601
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Speaker 2: gonna be chasing them. But if they can get a

602
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: good player, they'll help them. Yeah, okay, get him. I

603
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: don't care what he plays. I really don't.

604
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Speaker 4: I would like to have another weapon for the offense. Selfishly.

605
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Speaker 2: Well, they got killed in a free agency, yeah I know.

606
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: And they got Gabe Davis, who played better two years

607
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: ago than he did last year when he's dragging around

608
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: a high ankle spray. Same thing with Spencer Brown.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I get it.

610
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Speaker 2: These teams are chasing us, and they are a contender,

611
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: and they're gonna continue to and but the.

612
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: Dolphins and the Jets have closed the gap in the division.

613
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: That's a fact.

614
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Speaker 3: And the Bengals and the Chiefs on paper and a

615
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Speaker 3: certain degree.

616
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Speaker 2: In their achievement, everything's on, have exceeded them in terms

617
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Speaker 2: of Bill's a weapon in the Kansas City quarterback. The

618
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Speaker 2: Bill's have walked into Kansas City twice in the regular

619
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Speaker 2: season this year and handed the Chiefs they're dead.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: You can say what you want about the playoffs. I'll

622
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: say it again. They got to play better on that day.

623
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Speaker 2: That's it. They're good enough to beat them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: As for the prospect you mentioned, Zach Koons from Old

626
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Speaker 3: Dominion Penn State Transfer.

627
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Speaker 4: Really tall kid.

628
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Speaker 3: I mean he's six seven and a half two hundred

629
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Speaker 3: and fifty five pounds and he does run well.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right.

631
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Speaker 3: He runs four or five second fastest forty time at

632
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: the tight end position. At the combine. There was a

633
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: kid from Miami, Will Mallory. I think it was it

634
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: ran a little bit faster than him by like a

635
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: tenth of a second or one hundredth of a second. Anyway,

636
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Speaker 3: He's viewed largely as a developmental prospect. The reason why is,

637
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: I think if you pickture Mike GESICKI this guy has

638
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: a similar frame, really spindily through the legs, offers you

639
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: nothing in the blocking department, and even with his route running,

640
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: he is very, very raw. I would be surprised if

641
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: he goes in the third round. I think he's more

642
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: of a fourth or fifth round prospect, day three developmental.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he helps you much this year, which

644
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: for a go for a team like the Bills. If

645
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: you can find somebody that can help you sooner rather

646
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: than later, you would prefer to take that.

647
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: And his production.

648
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: He's had injuries, dislocated kneecap, also had an ACL injury

649
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: in his career, so there's some stuff there that I

650
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: think teams have to sort out. Obviously by now they

651
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: probably have that sorted out on him. But I think

652
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: he's a Day three developmental prospect.

653
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: At the end of the day.

654
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: He struggled to get on the field at Penn State.

655
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: He got on the field finally at Old Dominion had

656
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: seventy three catches for six hundred and ninety yards, you know,

657
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: five touchdowns. So he got on the field as a

658
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: senior at Old Dominion and made some hay and showed

659
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: what he could do because he was struggling to get

660
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: on the field at Penn State, even with his elite measurables.

661
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: And you're right, you know, Dave Dennis, he he's intriguing

662
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: because of his measurables. The Bills aren't taking him and

663
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: won the first, second or third round. He may go

664
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: at one thirty seven right.

665
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: Right or more and I and usual usually the Bills

666
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: don't like one dimensional players at the tight end position.

667
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: They usually and look at the Dolphins with Mike Kasicki.

668
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: He was a second round pick because he did have

669
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: production at Penn State and he did play well and

670
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: had a bigger body of work.

671
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: And what happened.

672
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: He's a one dimensional player. He's a detached tight end.

673
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: He cannot line up and put his hand on the

674
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: ground and help you in the blocking game at all.

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: They franchised him last year, didn't even use him.

676
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: He's a big, slow wide receiver.

677
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: Well he runs actually relatively well, but he's he's not

678
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: even he's not a tight end. He's a tight receiver,

679
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: that's what he is. He's a hybrid. And because of that,

680
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: his skill set only offers you half of what you

681
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: want from a tight end position, even at this day

682
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: and age. So that's the issue for Mike GASICKI. I

683
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: think it's a similar issue for Zak Kons. He's a

684
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 3: one dimensional tight end and a developmental prospect in that area,

685
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: so that's why he's gonna go late.

686
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 4: Let's go to in Buffalo next.

687
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: What do you got for us, Judy? Judy, are you there?

688
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put Judy back on hold. Maybe she's away

689
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: from her phone right now, and we'll go to Kevin

690
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: in Hamburg next.

691
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: What do you got for us? Kevin? We having trouble

692
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: with the phones. I'm not hearing anybody.

693
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: I am too. I'm I'm not hearing to me either.

694
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we'll put Kevin on hold and we'll

695
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: let them sort that out and then we'll get back

696
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: to the phones in just a minute. Yeah, I mean,

697
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: the tight end class is deep, Steve, and so when

698
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: you have a one dimensional player who's considered developmental prospect,

699
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: they're going to be far down the board because there

700
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: are other players with a more well rounded skill set,

701
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: better athletic skill set, better body build from a physical standpoint,

702
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: and offer more, and as a result, you're gonna slide

703
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: down the board. Maybe in a thinner year, maybe Zach

704
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 3: Koontz is a bigger consideration, but this year, I don't

705
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: think he is. And that's why he's gonna be waiting

706
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: to hear his name called. So that's that's the situation

707
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: with that. And I still think it's safe to say

708
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: two tight ends going round one.

709
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: Maybe there's three.

710
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: And I know and I know Dennis was talking about, Hey,

711
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: here's a guy with athletic measurable numbers that are similar

712
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: to Darnell Washington. He cannot do all the things Darnell Washington.

713
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: Darnell Washington is a is a beast in the run.

714
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Bloffer get a Harry starter set with a five blak.

715
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: So I don't yeah, I mean for me.

716
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: Uh, we got to take a break here as we

717
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: handle some of those technical difficulties on the phones. So

718
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 3: we'll step aside here, be back with Maury phone calls

719
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: hopefully when we return here on one Bill's Live, presented

720
00:38:50,120 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: by coliut of Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, apologies, everybody,

721
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: I think we've got our technical issues sorted out. While

722
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: we understand the callers were heard by our listening audience,

723
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: we could hear nothing of the sort due to some

724
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: kind of disconnection.

725
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 4: But I think we've remedied that.

726
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: So we're going to, with cautious optimism, go back to

727
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: the phones, and we'll go to Judy in Buffalo, who

728
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: was first in line at the time, and let me

729
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: see if I can pull her up here, Judy, what

730
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: do you got for us here on One Bill's Live.

731
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 7: I agree with you, we don't want players getting involved

732
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 7: in betting and outcomes. But isn't there a certain hypocrisy

733
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 7: involved here? Aren't the professional leagues actually promoting gambling by

734
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 7: accepting advertising money and nothing is said about that? You know,

735
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 7: it's a tooitch sword here.

736
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's what they feared for a long time. Judy,

737
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: they didn't, they didn't. The league distanced themselves so far

738
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: and so I don't know, enthusiastically from gambling, uh for decades.

739
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Integrity of the game, right integrity of the game, because

740
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: they were so worried about there being any improprieties whereas

741
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 2: you know, and then finally the gaming community and law

742
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: enforcement as well convinced them that there's no way anybody's

743
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: betting on these games, particularly electronically, that we don't know

744
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: who they are.

745
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: Well, and let's not forget too all of this state

746
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: legislation that's passed in the recent like the last two

747
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: or three years, where states are approving gambling.

748
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: Now there's a whole gambling.

749
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: So now that it's more than just the NFL staying

750
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: out of Nevada where Las Vegas is. Now they're going

751
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: to stay out of New Jersey. Are they're going to

752
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: stay out of you know, Tennessee. Theyre going to stay

753
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: all these New York state, all these these states that

754
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: have gaming in them. Now they can't escape it. So

755
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: now they're trying to foster relationship that is you know,

756
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: full of fail safes that will keep anything from happening

757
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: that is you know, unseemly uh. And that's arts with

758
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: the players not being allowed to participate, right.

759
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: Because even a player gambling on a game that's not

760
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: even THEIRS, it just optically it suggests or could suggest

761
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: that they have inside information because they got a buddy

762
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: of THEIRS that they played in college with on one

763
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: of those teams and he tells them maybe some right

764
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: unknown information And now there is the impropriety that Steve

765
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: was talking about, and they want to avoid that at

766
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: all costs.

767
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: So that's why they do it.

768
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: But they're more than happy to, uh, you know, do

769
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: sponsorships and whatever else.

770
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're gonna if they're yeah, if they're gonna

771
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: be forced to live alongside sports gaming, you know they're

772
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: gonna make cash off of it, right, So.

773
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: It is a double edged sort.

774
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: It is a sort you are exactly right, Judy, And

775
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: it's and it's one that the league is really making

776
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: sure they stay away from the edge of that sword.

777
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: They're staying on one side of the sword as best

778
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: as best they can. And they're they're making I think

779
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: they make it a little bit of a big deal

780
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: when they nip guys and suspend guys for doing even

781
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: the smallest gambling. So there you have it. You're right, Judy.

782
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: It's they knew they were going to do it. They

783
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: knew it was going to be. There are gonna be

784
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: moments and days like this, but you know, be very honest,

785
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: they couldn't avoid it much longer.

786
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin and Hamburg, Let's go back to you, Kevin.

787
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: What he got for us?

788
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 5: Guys?

789
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 8: How you doing banks for taking my car?

790
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 5: Good?

791
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 8: You're doing all right, I'm doing good. I'm not I

792
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 8: want to bring up about Lineman. I'll bet then I

793
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 8: know the building people to building me a lineman. I'm

794
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 8: looking at an old, legendary linemen that were not drafted

795
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 8: number one or even number two, and I want to

796
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 8: share something with you know, home By for a couple

797
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 8: of seconds. Russ Grimm, the famous Hog, was drafted in

798
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 8: the third round, and I know he's hard to find

799
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 8: rush Grim, but he was one of the greatest of all.

800
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 8: And Jackie Slater, the old ram Jackie that played like

801
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 8: for eternity. He was not a first or second, and

802
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 8: Joe Lellie was a second. So I think you can

803
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 8: get some good lineman even though it's guy's are legendary,

804
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 8: iconic people that it's hard to find him. I just

805
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 8: don't want to see the bills go first or second

806
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 8: unless he is like Anthony Munos. If he was like

807
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 8: an Anthony Munhos, I guess you could jump at it

808
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 8: if I was as good as Anthony was. But I'd

809
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 8: like to see him go for not a lineman unless

810
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 8: it's one of those Anthony type exceptions in the first round.

811
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Cody, Yeah, I get you, and believe me,

812
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: they won't pick the guy unless he looks like that.

813
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: You know, you can't tell the future, and these are

814
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: all projections, but they're not going to take a guy

815
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: who doesn't fit the value of that pick. Certain you

816
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: can have your philosophy and say, hey, take the best

817
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: offensive lineman available. I get that. I think it's more

818
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: complicated than you're making it out to be. Certainly you

819
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: get a guy like Russ Grimm and Jackie Slater. Yeah,

820
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of it, right, But it's a

821
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: little bit of luck in that.

822
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: I see, he pointed out himself. Anthony Munoz was a

823
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: first round pick.

824
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: He was the first Silk of the draft.

825
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 4: So was Walter Jones.

826
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: Walter Jones, the Hall of Fame tackle, played for Seattle

827
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: for years out of Florida State, first round pick.

828
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Like then you got Jason Peters undrafted.

829
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: So there's always gonna be guys throughout the draft. I mean,

830
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 3: the draft has been around so long. You can find

831
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: a lineman in every round that had a borderline or

832
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame career. There are always going to

833
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: be people littered through different places for different reasons.

834
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: You know, people just missed on him.

835
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: A player fell through the cracks, a player didn't have

836
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: a real position in college and they.

837
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: Didn't figure out where to line him up until he

838
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: got to the pros. That was Jason Peters.

839
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: You got drafted as a tight end or have to

840
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: tight end.

841
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes down and we out here. I say

842
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: out here because we're outside the draft room and outside

843
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: the scouting bubble of all these teams. You kind of

844
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: throw darts at what you think should happen, and you

845
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 2: marry your particular philosophy about drafting. Whether it's drafting big

846
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: guys or drafting skilled players, or building around the star

847
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: players that you have, or just filling the needs that

848
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: you have on your roster. We all have our own

849
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: little philosophy and it vacillates as the draft season rolls along.

850
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: But the simple fact is they get to a point

851
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: in the draft and the best philosophy I've seen is

852
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: one where you take whatever player you think of the

853
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: entire pool of players that are left. What player on

854
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: that board is going to have the best career as

855
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: a pro. Is it a defensive tackle or is it

856
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: a slot receiver? All the way through that spectrum, who

857
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: is it? And that's the guy you take, no matter

858
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: what position he plays, no matter what position he plays,

859
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: if he's going to be the best guy if he's

860
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: the guy out of all the guys left on the board,

861
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a fifteen year career and potentially be

862
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. That's the guy you want,

863
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: whether it's a kicker, punter, or anybody else's mess.

864
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: And Janikowski went in the first round, So did Ray

865
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: guy played for a long time in the Hall of Fame.

866
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: And well, Janikowski isn't. But I got to look at

867
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: his career. He had a long career. I mean he

868
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: did pretty well.

869
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: He's a monster.

870
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Polish missile.

871
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: Let's squeeze in one more call here before the break,

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Speaker 3: we go to Tom and cheek to wagan X.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for a time?

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Speaker 9: Hey Jentce, how's it going today?

875
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: Good?

876
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 9: Well, I'm just glad to give an opportunity to express

877
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 9: my opinion about the Bills. I'm a lifelong fan. I

878
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 9: agree with you guys that you know, the Bills, a

879
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 9: rookie wouldn't probably make that great an impact on their team.

880
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 9: And I think that possibly the players that they need

881
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 9: or could possibly be on the roster already just need

882
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 9: a greater, more close look. So of such as like

883
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Speaker 9: Quinton Morris. I think if he had better utilization, you know,

884
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 9: coming out of college he had four or five six

885
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 9: in the forty thirty four invert. And also what about

886
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 9: Dez Patman six four two twenty five four to four

887
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 9: eight speed thirty eight invert. Also, I think would the

888
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 9: Bills think of a possibility of, you know, bringing in

889
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 9: a rookie quarterback, such as like a priority undrafted free

890
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 9: agent like that kid out of BYU, that Jalen Hall.

891
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 9: And also, by the way, I was all over Damien

892
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 9: Harris before the Bills picked him up. I thought that

893
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 9: that would be a great addition to their lineup. I'm

894
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 9: gonna hang up, guys and let you guys speak on

895
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 9: what I said. Thank you.

896
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know they've done the brookie quarterback thing

897
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: before they brought the kid in from Georgia, Jake from

898
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: j Smith, round pick, yeah, all of that, even getting

899
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: a draft pick for him, Jalen Hall. Yeah maybe yeah.

900
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: Sharon Hall's actually sorry, Jared Jaren is real, he's quit.

901
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I love what I've seen

902
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: from Quinton Morris. We've seen very limited spots for him,

903
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: but it seems like and maybe this is an indictment

904
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: on the rest of the guys. He doesn't drop the ball.

905
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen that. I'll say it again. Too

906
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: many drops last year, too many turnovers. Those two stats

907
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: are the ones that did it. And Quinton Morris was

908
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: not a culprit in any of that. I thought he

909
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: caught the ball extremely well. You go back to the

910
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: catch against Miami, difficult catch. It was an unbelievable catch,

911
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: and he seems to do that a lot. He catches

912
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: the ball. Now, he's a little undersized for a prototypical

913
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: tight end, but man, the guy pulls it in and

914
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: he does it consistently. I like. And he does have

915
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: good speed. He's a good athlete all of that. So

916
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm with you. Quinton Morris is a guy I

917
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: think that they could exploit more so. But for the

918
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: rest and you're right, the running back from New England

919
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: they got is he's gonna help. So I'm as a

920
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: good call. Tom. I'm i'm I agree with about everything

921
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: you said.

922
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 5: Right.

923
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: Jaren Hall short six foot two oh seven.

924
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: He's also twenty five years old because he did the

925
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: he served two years on a mission, as most of

926
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: the BYU kids do. Doesn't have great arm strength to

927
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: throw deep balls, So there are limitations to his game,

928
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 3: and he has a long history of injuries. So he's

929
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: probably a Day three guy at best, as you said,

930
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: maybe even a priority free agent.

931
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 4: Is there enough there to take a look. That's up

932
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 4: to the.

933
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: Teams that you know, obviously you're picking. I don't know

934
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Speaker 3: if the Bells Bills feel that way, but it wouldn't

935
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Speaker 3: surprise us. We see a third quarterback in here as

936
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: an undrafted rookie free agent.

937
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: It's certainly possible.

938
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 3: Kevin and Hamburg brought up offensive lineman and he doesn't

939
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: want one in round one or round two.

940
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Speaker 4: Guess what it could happen.

941
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: And we're gonna talk to Greg co Sell next to

942
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: help us with what the film says on some of

943
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Speaker 3: the top prospects that tackle guard and center. When we

944
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Speaker 3: return for Hour number two here on One Bill's Live

945
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Speaker 3: presented by colid of Health, It's Buffalo Bills.

946
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Speaker 1: Radio, the One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

947
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: All right, here we are hour number two on a Friday,

948
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: and you know what that means.

949
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: It's Greg co cell, time.

950
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: Senior producer from NFL Films, also co host of ESPN's

951
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 3: NFL Matchup Show and we are down to the last

952
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: Friday before the draft. We're getting our last position group

953
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: in here with Greg before the real deal happens, and

954
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Speaker 3: it's offensive line.

955
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Speaker 4: Greg. How you doing.

956
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 5: Doing great, Brownie? Steve, how are you guys?

957
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 4: We're doing good. We're doing good.

958
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: So we want to kind of nail down some guys

959
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: that could be there for the Bills, either at the

960
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: bottom around one or maybe a little later. And we've

961
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: been focusing on tackle, maybe out of personal preference, start

962
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: of the outside, work your way in.

963
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, ask this. Let me ask this. This

964
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: is a general question first before we get into these

965
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: names that we've got listed here. How likely is it

966
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: that teams go out thinking they could get a time

967
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: and then if he doesn't work out a tackle, just

968
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: slide him down to guard. Do you find that to

969
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: be common or a philosophy of any kind, or do

970
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: teams now say, now, I like this guy's at guard,

971
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna draft him as a guard.

972
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 5: You know, I think a lot of that depends on

973
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 5: a couple of factors, Steve. I think that arm length

974
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: is a very important factor when you talk to offensive

975
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 5: line coaches, some more than others, obviously, but I think like,

976
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 5: for instance, Peter Skoronsky is a great example of this.

977
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 5: His arm length is really really short for a tackle,

978
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: so people say, well, he played tackle in the Big

979
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 5: Ten for you know, three years, did a really nice job,

980
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 5: so he's a tackle. But I've also talked to offensive

981
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 5: line coaches who said, there's no way he's going to

982
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 5: play tackle in the National Football League with thirty two

983
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: inch arms. In fact, I spoke to one who said

984
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 5: that center would probably be his best position as he

985
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 5: transitions to the league. So you know, I think that

986
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 5: that's one thing that is looked at, and then the

987
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 5: other thing that's looked at, of course is feet and

988
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 5: rain range in terms of vertical sets, because you talk

989
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 5: to coaches and what they tell you is it's a

990
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 5: third down game. You know, you have to be able

991
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 5: to pass protect on third down, and you don't want

992
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 5: to have to be in a situation as an offense

993
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 5: where you keep a tight ending or a back end

994
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 5: even as chippers, because then they're not primary receivers. So

995
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 5: what happens at that point is you have to limit

996
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 5: your offensive pass game options and your route concepts and combinations.

997
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 5: So I think it comes down to the ability to

998
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 5: pass protect on third down one on one. So I

999
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 5: think those two things really stand out.

1000
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's begin with a guy that I

1001
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: think as little as a month ago we were thinking

1002
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: would get down to the Bills potentially at pick twenty seven.

1003
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: But he has moved up the board precipitously as draftnicks

1004
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: have heard more from the people in the know. Darnell

1005
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: Right from Tennessee who played right tenle and you know,

1006
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: for a three hundred and thirty two pound guy has

1007
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 3: some pretty nimble feet.

1008
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really really like this guy. I mean, you know,

1009
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 5: I don't fancy myself. I try to talk to people

1010
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 5: as I just told you about O line play. You know,

1011
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 5: maybe I know more than I think I do, but

1012
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 5: I never you know, I try to keep learning Brownie,

1013
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 5: just because it's you know, it's one of those positions

1014
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 5: most people as you play it, don't grow up, you know,

1015
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 5: studying offensive line in great detail. I watched him last

1016
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 5: summer and he played left tackle in twenty twenty one,

1017
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 5: and quite frankly, I thought he was bad. This year

1018
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 5: i'd right tackle. I thought he was absolutely outstanding. He's

1019
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 5: the most powerful offensive tackle in this draft. If one

1020
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 5: game is representative of what he is. All you have

1021
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 5: to do is put on the game against Alabama where

1022
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 5: he just stoned Will Anderson snap after snap after snap,

1023
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 5: and if you didn't know who Will Anderson was, you'd

1024
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 5: think he was probably a late round draft choice based

1025
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 5: on that game. But this guy is massive, he's got

1026
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 5: good feet. I just think he's a really really good prospect.

1027
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I would bet he'll move up.

1028
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 5: You know, again, I'm not good with that brownie, but

1029
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 5: he's not gonna be late first round, second round. He's

1030
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 5: going before that.

1031
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg, do you have a man crush on Turnhill? Right?

1032
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 5: You know? Yeah? Maybe maybe there's always a few players

1033
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 5: like that. You know that as I'm watching, you know,

1034
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 5: I've watched so many I think I'm up to like

1035
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,959
Speaker 5: two hundred and twelve, so I can't think of every

1036
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 5: single one. But no, he was. And you know what

1037
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 5: made it interesting, Steve Is I started out watching him

1038
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: knowing that I watched him last summer and didn't like

1039
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 5: him at all. I left tackle right and then all

1040
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I'm like, Wow, this guy's really good

1041
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 5: at right tackle.

1042
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: I was watching. I was reading up on him too,

1043
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: and I watched a little bit of it. I don't

1044
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: know as much as I watched film, And I also

1045
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: read some evaluations. I mean, the guy gave up like

1046
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: zero sacks at right tackle. He gave up a total

1047
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 2: of maybe seven sacks his entire career, four of which

1048
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: were at left tackle. Like you said, yeah, when he

1049
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: got to right tackle, nobody was getting by him.

1050
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 10: Uh.

1051
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: And also when you watch him on film, he's got

1052
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: some grit. I mean, he likes to be like the

1053
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: point of the spear for the team. Right. Yeah.

1054
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 5: No, he's you know, he's a mammoth guy with a

1055
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: lot of mass, good feet, you know. See, it's funny,

1056
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 5: it's really interesting, Steve. And like I said, I try

1057
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 5: to learn from you know, offensive line coaches and people

1058
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 5: that know far more than I do about offensive line play.

1059
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: But I thought at left tackle his feet looked slow

1060
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 5: and plotting, and right tackle, I thought he looked quick,

1061
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 5: you know. And and again it's different movements, you know,

1062
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 5: because you're kicksliding with a different foot, you know, your

1063
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 5: hand usage is different, you know. Just as an example,

1064
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 5: I remember watching Penny Sewell as a rookie with the Lions,

1065
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 5: not this year, but the year before. And he and

1066
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 5: he moved from left tackle, which he played at Oregon,

1067
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 5: to right tackle with the Lions, and I thought he

1068
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 5: was terrible at right tackle, and most people agreed. Now

1069
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 5: he's gotten used to it, but you know, there's there's

1070
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 5: a whole difference. People just assume that, oh, yeah, you

1071
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 5: can just switch sides. Just like as you said, Steve,

1072
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 5: people assume, oh, if you're a tackle in college, but

1073
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 5: you don't, you don't have great tackle trades. Just throw

1074
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 5: him at guard, no problem at all. Doesn't always work

1075
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 5: that way.

1076
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: Right, All right, So we've got another guy from Oklahoma,

1077
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: Anton Harrison, left tackle.

1078
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: But is he a left tackle in the NFL?

1079
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I personally think he can play that. And

1080
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 5: I liked him as well. I think that he's got

1081
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 5: great size. He's got really good arm length for whatever

1082
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 5: it's worth other than a reflection of athleticism. He ran

1083
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 5: a great forty times. He's got, as I said, desired

1084
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 5: arm length. He's got strong, heavy hands. I thought he

1085
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 5: had core strength. I thought he had good movement. I

1086
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 5: think he can play left tackle.

1087
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1088
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 5: I think he possesses that size, length, strength, movement profile

1089
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 5: that is demanded. And I thought he had heavy hands,

1090
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: So again, I think he can line up and play

1091
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: left tackle. Now, the question you always have with these guys, Brownie,

1092
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 5: is can they do that year one? You know, And

1093
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 5: it depends where you draft a guy, obviously, and it

1094
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 5: depends on your team's needs. But you know, if you

1095
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 5: need a left tackle in your draft, Let's say you

1096
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 5: need a left tackle in your mind, and you draft

1097
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 5: Anton Harrison late in the first round, you'd like him

1098
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 5: to be your starting left tackle. That's an unknown that

1099
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 5: I can't answer, But I think he can play left

1100
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 5: tackle in the NFL.

1101
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: What about drive blocking for him, because I've seen I

1102
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: mean see what I saw and some of what I've read,

1103
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: you know, average hand punch, not driving people off the

1104
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage.

1105
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and most of the time that that issue stems

1106
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 5: from footwork and balance. I mean, I think there were

1107
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 5: snaps because I watch an awful lot of him. I

1108
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 5: think I watched seven or eight games, and then I

1109
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 5: watched all of Marvin Mims's past targets, which of course

1110
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 5: give me pass protection as well, So that combination gave

1111
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 5: me a lot of snaps of Anton Harrison. So I

1112
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 5: think you know, when you talk about that, you know

1113
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 5: you want to see core strength. You want to see

1114
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: a guy generate strength and power off the ball. You

1115
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 5: want to see him continue to stay on balance and

1116
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 5: move his feet so he doesn't fall off blocks. I

1117
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 5: would say that a lot of that based on conversations

1118
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 5: I had is coaching and can be taught. So like,

1119
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 5: like everybody, particularly offensive linemen, because of what they face

1120
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 5: in college and the fact that they're so much spread,

1121
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 5: they have so much to learn and to be coached

1122
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 5: up when they get to the league. So I think

1123
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 5: he's capable of that, Brownie, you know, Can he do

1124
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 5: that from day one? Probably not, but I think it's

1125
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 5: in his body.

1126
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: Okay, we move along too to what guy Matthew Berger

1127
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: on the offensive tackle from Syracuse. Early on, people just

1128
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: knew that the Bills were going to grab this guy

1129
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: because it's so easy because Syracuse is right down the road, right,

1130
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: big dude, I mean, this is a perfect fit. What

1131
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: do you think?

1132
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 5: Now, here's a guy from everybody I've heard that I've

1133
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: spoken to believe is a guard. And again, you know

1134
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 5: he played tackle, obviously, you know he was. He had

1135
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 5: thirty nine starts, a thirty one at left tackle and

1136
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 5: ate and right tackle. But a lot of people think

1137
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 5: this guy is a guard because now, this guy is

1138
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 5: a really good run blocker, a really good run blocker.

1139
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 5: He's got power on initial contact, he's got core strain,

1140
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 5: he controls, he sustains, he runs his feet really well.

1141
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 5: I think theoretically could he play tackle. I think he

1142
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 5: probably could, But the word I get is clearly that

1143
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 5: he's a guard. But the issue with him I think

1144
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 5: a tackle is range. And as I mentioned third down,

1145
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 5: he's not a rangy guy in past protection. So he's

1146
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 5: not as high level an athlete as what you're looking

1147
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 5: for on the left side in particular, just because of

1148
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 5: the range, and he's had some issues. Like the one

1149
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 5: guy that gave him a ton of trouble this year

1150
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 5: was Jared Verse from Florida State, who chose not to

1151
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 5: come out. Most people thought if he came out, he'd

1152
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 5: be a top fifteen pick, but he had big problems

1153
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 5: with him. But he also had some really really good

1154
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 5: one on one pass protection snaps against Miles Murphy from Clemson,

1155
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 5: So you know, I think that he was an efficient

1156
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 5: pass protector at tackle, but not a rangy guy, whereas

1157
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 5: he's a physical, mauling type run blocker, and I think

1158
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 5: that's the reason a lot of people see him as

1159
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 5: a guard.

1160
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: Okay, and feet to kind of get out and pull, right,

1161
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: His feet are pretty good.

1162
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, he was used to pull both inside and outside.

1163
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 5: I thought he showed good, good movement in space. And

1164
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 5: the one thing I look for when I see guy's

1165
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 5: pull is their balance and their body control, because a

1166
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 5: lot of guys, as you know, Brownie, they can get

1167
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 5: out and they can move a little bit, but then

1168
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 5: when they have to make the block, they're off balance,

1169
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 5: they fall down, you know. So it's that you want

1170
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 5: to see balance and body control so they can strike

1171
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 5: with some force.

1172
01:01:58,840 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1173
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 5: Right.

1174
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: The next guy is a mountain of a human, quite literally,

1175
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 3: Dewan Jones from Ohio State probably going to be a

1176
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: factor in the second round. Many people are thinking, now,

1177
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: but what can be said about how he carries all

1178
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: that weight? Because three hundred and seventy five pounds that's

1179
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: a lot, and the concern is how does he move

1180
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 3: with it?

1181
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, from what I've gathered, he probably carries it a

1182
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 5: little too well to the dinner line, because people have

1183
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 5: said that he's close to four hundred pounds. Now, people

1184
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 5: who I know that and who I respect. That's the

1185
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 5: concern with him, Brownie. I really liked his tape a lot.

1186
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 5: I mean, his arm length is thirty six and three eighths.

1187
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 5: His wingspan is like Giannis in the NBA. I mean,

1188
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 5: it's ridiculous. So you're talking about a guy that is

1189
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 5: a big, big man that is really really difficult to

1190
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 5: get around. And while his feet wouldn't be the lightest

1191
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 5: of any tackling you've seen, he certainly does not have

1192
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 5: heavy or plotting feet.

1193
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

1194
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 5: But the problem, from what I've been told by people

1195
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 5: who would know, is that the commitment to the game

1196
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: is not exactly what it needs to be. And that's

1197
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 5: a problem. But if you're just looking at the tape,

1198
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 5: if he was a clean prospect in terms of everything else,

1199
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 5: you're dealing with a really strong prospect with rare size

1200
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 5: and length plus athleticism. I mean, you know how hard

1201
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 5: these guys already get around. I mean it's really you know,

1202
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 5: he doesn't have to have great, great feet, but it's

1203
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 5: good enough, and he's just so hard to get around.

1204
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 3: Just for reference, how close would you compare him to

1205
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 3: ac Cordy Glenn?

1206
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 5: Oh god, I remember when he came out.

1207
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: He was Georgia, right, Yeah, second round pick of the Bills.

1208
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 3: Long arms, thirty six inches, probably about three thirty five

1209
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: or so.

1210
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 4: He played left tackle. So I mean, I don't know.

1211
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm I know Cordy wasn't as tall as this guy,

1212
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: but the arm length was the same, body type was

1213
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: a kind of similar.

1214
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't remember Glenn in detail, so it's hard

1215
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 5: for me to answer that. But you know, you know,

1216
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 5: when I think of let's say, when I think of

1217
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 5: Duane Jones, I think of the you know, the Orlando Browns,

1218
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 5: the Trent Browns.

1219
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 4: You know, much bigger for you know.

1220
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 5: Those are the guys I think are the better comparison.

1221
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: Is it like? Is he is? Did he have as

1222
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: good a tape as say, a guy like Mackai Becton?

1223
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 10: Oh?

1224
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 5: Probably not quite as good as Becden. You know, Beckden

1225
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: had some really good tape coming out, and he was

1226
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 5: obviously a very big man as well. Hasn't worked out

1227
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 5: for him unfortunately. But yeah, if you're just looking at tape,

1228
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 5: I think Jones. My sense is if Jones was a

1229
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 5: clean prospect off the field, that he would be a

1230
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 5: top twenty guy. That would be my sense.

1231
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 4: Okay, Steve hit him with your favorite.

1232
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: Guy, Joe Tipman, center from Wisconsin. I pegged he might

1233
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: have been the first name I threw out of this

1234
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: draft at Brownie, saying that's our guy.

1235
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 5: Uh did you talk to Leonard about him? He was

1236
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 5: the DC there.

1237
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: You know, No, I didn't talk anybody.

1238
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 5: Yeah. I liked Timman a lot. I watched his tape.

1239
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 5: I mean, this guy is a big offensive center, has

1240
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 5: a great frame. He's athletic. I I you know, don't

1241
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 5: forget that's an offense that Wisconsin. That's old school stuff.

1242
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's a heavy emphasis on the zone

1243
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 5: run game. Good amount of pin pull gap scheme is

1244
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: what they do. I mean, this is a running running offense.

1245
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 5: This guy's consistently efficient executing all kinds of blocks. I

1246
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 5: mean there were certain blocks without going into the you know,

1247
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 5: being nerdy about it, but there are certain blocks that

1248
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 5: was real specific to what they did that he was

1249
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 5: asked to do. But I mean, I really like this guy.

1250
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: I mean I thought for a big man, he had

1251
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 5: outstanding snap to step quickness as a blocker and in

1252
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 5: pass protection, he could climb to the second level. He

1253
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 5: was really good with stunts and games just because he

1254
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 5: was so long and athletic. I you know, again, I

1255
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 5: I don't want to say I'm an expert on offensive centers,

1256
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 5: but I really like this guy's tape a lot.

1257
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he's a six to sixth guy and

1258
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: carries over three hundred pounds and yeah, down inside.

1259
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 5: Easily easily does not look mad. You know, it is

1260
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 5: not a fat looking guy at all.

1261
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: Right, Exactly, he's down inside and it was kind of

1262
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: he does stand. I mean, he's a big toll for

1263
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: a center. You always kind of think of a center

1264
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: as being one of those guys, fireplug guys. This is

1265
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 2: he's not that. He's he's more of an NFL kind

1266
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: of guy. Right.

1267
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny you say that because my favorite center

1268
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,439
Speaker 5: in last year's draft was Fortner out of Kentucky, who

1269
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 5: played every snap as the starting center for the Jaguars

1270
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 5: this year and played really well. I actually liked him

1271
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 5: more than Linderbaun or Cam Jurgens, who the Eagles draft

1272
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 5: in the second round. And as I said, Fortner, he

1273
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 5: was six ' four out of Kentucky and he played

1274
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 5: every snap, had a really solid year. And Tipman's even

1275
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: bigger than that.

1276
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 4: Right, so, Greg, we've got a little extra time here.

1277
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: You told me you did this guy, So I'll pick

1278
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 3: your brain a little bit because I really like the

1279
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: tape that he had. Jalen Duncan from Maryland, the offensive tackle,

1280
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: played left tackle there for the Turps, and I don't know,

1281
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 3: there's just something about the way he moves. I feel

1282
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: like there's uncommon athleticism there for a guy his size,

1283
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: because he's a pretty big kid.

1284
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's almost six six, really really good arm length,

1285
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 5: you know, I think that he has what you want.

1286
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 5: He's played. He's a four year starter at left tackle.

1287
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 5: I think he has thirty nine starts in his career.

1288
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 5: I think he moves well. He's got light feet out

1289
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 5: of his stance getting to his set points. I think

1290
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 5: he tracks well in the run game. You know what

1291
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 5: I look for with pass protection is the kick slide.

1292
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 5: Do they bend their knees, do they play on balance?

1293
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 5: Are they efficient with their lateral movement? You know? Can

1294
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 5: they redirect? They use their hands? You know you want

1295
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 5: to see them Do you want to see them strike

1296
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 5: with their hands to the inside, you know, not wrap around,

1297
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 5: because then you let guys get into your chest and

1298
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Speaker 5: that's you can weigh four hundred pounds, and if a

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Speaker 5: guy gets into your chest, you've got a problem. So

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Speaker 5: I really liked his tape. I'm curious to see where

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Speaker 5: he goes. He's kind of been lost in the discussion Brown,

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Speaker 5: So I don't know. Maybe teams don't see him as

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Speaker 5: highly as I just suggested. Maybe there's other issues involved

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Speaker 5: that I don't know about. I haven't heard his name,

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 5: but I think the tape's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jalen Duncan for me, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 3: I liked a lot of what I saw. I didn't

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Speaker 3: think he I don't know if he's necessarily put it

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Speaker 3: all together yet, and so maybe that's why he's a

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Speaker 3: little bit below some of the names we hear more often.

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Speaker 3: I just think there's a there's an enticing ceiling there

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Speaker 3: based on the athleticism and some of what we've seen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, as I said, I like his tape, So

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Speaker 5: maybe there's other issues.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: You know, teams get obviously all this information. Sometimes networks

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Speaker 5: get all this information, you know, as do about a

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Speaker 5: guy's character. I don't get all that stuff. So you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm just sitting in my office watching the tape but

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Speaker 5: I think the tape's pretty good, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Greg, appreciate it. What are you gonna do where you

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01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: gonna watch the draft? You're gonna be on the air

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Speaker 2: working or he'll be.

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Speaker 4: Helping us out on draft night.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna help you. And now I'll be you know,

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Speaker 5: I'll probably be watching at home or in my office.

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Speaker 5: And I remember last year because I was, you know,

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Speaker 5: waiting for you guys to make your pick in the

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Speaker 5: first round. I was just sitting in my office with

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Speaker 5: the TV on here, you know, watching the draft. At

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 5: the same time, I was watching more tape. So but Steve,

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Speaker 5: you know me, I'm a little crazy or what.

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Speaker 2: I got this for you as well? Last year that

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 2: a ton of movement in the draft in the first

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Speaker 2: round lost of Trey. What's your gut tell you about

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01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 2: this year? You think there'll be as much moving on

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks involved.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that this is gonna be a

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Speaker 5: really interesting draft, Steed, because I would bet, and I've

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Speaker 5: had this confirmed by some people that this could be

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Speaker 5: the kind of draft where you know, one team could

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Speaker 5: have a player is the twelfth best player on their board,

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Speaker 5: and another team could have that same player as the

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Speaker 5: thirty fifth best player on their board. I think there's

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Speaker 5: gonna be a lot of that in this draft, and

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Speaker 5: you know, I think that that leads to teams wanting

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Speaker 5: to trade. Whether there's trading partners is always the question,

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Speaker 5: because you know, every year people say there's gonna be

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Speaker 5: a lot of trades and then sometimes you get through

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Speaker 5: the first round and there's not many at all. Uh.

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Speaker 5: But I think that there's probably if, as you know,

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Speaker 5: teams put grades on players. I would bet that no

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Speaker 5: team has more than seventeen or eighteen first round grades

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Speaker 5: this year on players. But you know, you have to

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 5: draft someone. That's the way it is. You know, what,

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Speaker 5: it's your turn. You got a draft, right, Greg.

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Speaker 3: We look forward to seeing you on Draft Night on

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Speaker 3: our live stream me and Mattie.

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Speaker 4: You'll catch up with you after the Bills pick.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Greg, all right, guys really appreciate it. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's great.

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Speaker 3: Co Sale, senior producer from NFL Films, also co hosts

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Speaker 3: the ESPN's NFL Matchup show. He will be joining me

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Speaker 3: and Maddie on Draft Night number one when we put

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Speaker 3: our live stream up right after the Bills pick in

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Speaker 3: round one on Thursday, night, and then we'll follow that

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Speaker 3: on Friday night as well. We'll pass along more information

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Speaker 3: next week as it gets closer, but a live draft

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Speaker 3: stream on all the Bills social channels on night one

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Speaker 3: of the draft, right after the Bills make their selection,

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Speaker 3: whether they move up, stay where they are, move back, well,

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Speaker 3: if they move back and out of round one, we

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Speaker 3: won't see you on Thursday night, but if they stay

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Speaker 3: put or they trade up, we'll be covering it wall

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Speaker 3: to wall on the draft stream.

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Speaker 2: You ready to do a broadcasting, No.

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Speaker 3: You can go home, Go home, We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: It could happen, could happen.

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Speaker 2: Brandon said it just as likely to trade back as

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Speaker 2: trade up, So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: And Greg is right on with respect to the variance

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Speaker 3: of opinion on a lot of these prospects this year.

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Speaker 3: The general response we've heard from people that have to

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Speaker 3: assess the whole draft is that there is a lot

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Speaker 3: of mixed opinion on a lot of prospects, and it's

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Speaker 3: not just because of how they fit that particular team.

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Speaker 4: It's just because maybe.

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Speaker 3: It's the type of player that they look for to

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Speaker 3: given position, and maybe there's a lack of those kinds

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Speaker 3: of players.

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Speaker 4: Like, let's look at receiver.

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Speaker 3: We've talked time and again about how the diminutive stature

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Speaker 3: of a lot of the top players at the receiver

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Speaker 3: position this year has led to a lot of variants

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Speaker 3: of opinion. Some people say, no, that kid's still a

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Speaker 3: first round pick. I don't care if he's five foot nine,

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Speaker 3: he's still a first rounder. And there's another team that's like,

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Speaker 3: I am not touching that guy in the first round.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait till Day two and if he's there, so

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Speaker 3: be it. And it's some of that, not just at receiver,

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Speaker 3: but at a bunch of different positions.

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Speaker 4: Like Matthew bergeron who were just talking.

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Speaker 3: About, there's a healthy number of teams that see him

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Speaker 3: as a guard and they're not going to draft him

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Speaker 3: in the first round because he's a guard for them.

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Speaker 3: There might be a team that says he can still

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Speaker 3: play right tackle. I might take him at the bottom

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Speaker 3: of round one. And so now you have that difference

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Speaker 3: of opinion that may prompt a team that's picking at

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Speaker 3: fifty to say we got to go up to get him.

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Speaker 4: Let's make a trade, right.

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Speaker 2: And there's also that all this stuff that happens, like

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Speaker 2: for the Darnell right. If he gets drops down, you

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01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: can play him at tacking a trim at right tackle.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't, you move him down to guard. Or

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: you can take a guy who you know is going

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 2: to be a guard, like Bergeron from Syracuse. You say, no,

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: that guy is a guard. We're gonna take him and

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: plug him right in. We're not gonna take a chance

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Speaker 2: on a right tackle and then move him to guard.

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a guard and go. And that kind

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: of philosophy in the draft. Can the guy get on

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Speaker 2: the field. Plus, for a team like Buffalo, you might

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Speaker 2: think the Bergeron can actually hit the field running as

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: a guard day one instead of you know, Cody Fordinitt

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Speaker 2: and try him at tackle, tryment guard, try it back

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Speaker 2: at tackle. Oh we got an injury. Now he's back

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: at tackle. Now he's on the other side, you know,

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. So that philosophy can get you

1430
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: into trouble as well as you know. And plus it

1431
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 2: could the positives outweigh the negatives.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes right time for us here, but when we return,

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Speaker 3: we're going right back to the phone. Calls John and

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: Buffalo is going to lead us off. Then open line

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Speaker 3: for you at eight oh three, five point fifty. It

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Speaker 3: is an OBL Friday fan mail bag. Get your questions

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Speaker 3: in now here on One Bills Live, presented by Colid

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Speaker 3: of Health.

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Speaker 4: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 11: All right back here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you OBL Friday Fan mail

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Speaker 3: Bag Day, and we go back to the phones. John

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Speaker 3: in Buffalo has a question for us.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for us? John?

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Speaker 11: Yes, good afternoon, since it's asking anything Friday. When the

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01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 11: Bills bringing a free agent or a draft pick to Buffalo,

1447
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 11: they obviously pay for their tickets to get them here,

1448
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 11: at least I assume they do. Do they fly in

1449
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 11: first class? It would look pretty bad if they didn't

1450
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 11: fly somebody in first class, the organization would look pretty cheap.

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 11: And once they get here, after they do meetings, and

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01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 11: do they wine and dine everybody? I'm sure Odell Beckler

1453
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 11: would get the GM to take them to dinner. A

1454
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 11: sixth round draft pick would have to have Tasker in

1455
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 11: a scar them. I suppose what are your thoughts and

1456
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 11: all that they do? They pre them right when they

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01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 11: get here, and how do they get them here?

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Speaker 5: They?

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I couldn't tell you exactly.

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01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: The first part is certainly a first round drink. You'd

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: expect a first round draft. They don't bring all these

1462
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Speaker 2: draft picks in all one Now, the first round draft pick,

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Speaker 2: my team fly them in on the plane, on the

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Speaker 2: owner's plane. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And the Bills have done that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bills have done that on a number of occasion. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're a twenty seventh pick, yeah, maybe not. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you just get a first class pick ticket. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: they fly Coach. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: They came in on a private plane. He was the

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Speaker 3: twenty seventh pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, they do. They get wined and dine. But

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Speaker 2: the lower round draft picks, they don't even show up

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Speaker 2: until like the next week or the rookie mini camp,

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Speaker 2: and then they fly those get they fly those guys,

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Speaker 2: probably coach, I mean yeah, commercial, Yeah, they fly him commercial.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that it would be first class.

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01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 2: They might, but.

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Speaker 3: Free agent visits those are usually arranged by the agent.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, yeah, that might be.

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that might be.

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01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: The Bills will obviously pick them up at the airport

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Speaker 3: and bring him in.

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Speaker 2: But they have a car. Yeah, I have a car

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Speaker 2: for him and they'll get them a hotel.

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Speaker 3: I think it varies by team, and you know, if

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Speaker 3: it's an established free agent, they usually get here. I

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Speaker 3: believe on their own dime, but I'm not one hundred

1490
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Speaker 3: percent sure on that. As far as the draft picks, though,

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Speaker 3: I am sure on that. Let's go to the tweets

1492
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Speaker 3: sheet to get some questions. Here for the OBL Friday

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Speaker 3: fan mail bag, Jack asks, I think the Bills would

1494
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 3: prefer Drew Sanders or Trent Simpson over Jack Campbell for

1495
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 3: the middle of their defensive linebacker. What's your opinion on

1496
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: those two guys? Maybe early in round two trade back.

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Speaker 3: I really like Simpson's speed and coverage ability, something we

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 3: know they asked their linebackers to do. I think Simpson

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Speaker 3: is clearly the fastest of these three linebackers on the clock.

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Speaker 3: So you want to do stopwatch speed, Trent Simpson has

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Speaker 3: him beat. He runs a four to four to three,

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01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 3: Sanders runs a four five nine, and if I remember right,

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 3: Jack Campbell runs around a four to six as well,

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01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 3: So that's just on the stopwatch.

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Speaker 4: I would argue that.

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Speaker 3: Campbell as the best instinct, Sanders is not far behind him.

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Speaker 3: Simpson is the best athlete but the general consensus on

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Speaker 3: him as he's not as instinctive as the other two players.

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Speaker 3: So now the question becomes now the question and Simpson

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Speaker 3: is the lightest of the three players. He's six, So

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01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 3: now the question becomes he's the shortest and the lightest.

1512
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: The question becomes what do the Bills prefer. Do they

1513
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 3: prefer the taller, bigger player who maybe offers better instincts,

1514
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: or do they want the shorter, faster player who is

1515
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: more of a reactionary player. That would be Simpson and

1516
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: maybe doesn't have the same level of instincts. I think

1517
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 3: the reason Tremaine Edmonds was so attractive is he had

1518
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 3: the size and the length and the athleticism, even though

1519
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 3: coming in the door he didn't have the instincts. Do

1520
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 3: they go a different direction now and go with size

1521
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 3: and athleticism and instincts, you know? I think Campbell might

1522
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 3: be a hair below Sanders in terms of the athleticism.

1523
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 3: Campbell might make up for some of that because he's

1524
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 3: probably got the best instincts of those three. I think

1525
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 3: Sanders is in between. He's got the height, the length,

1526
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: the athleticism you look for. He's got some instincts even

1527
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 3: though they might not be as great as Campbell's.

1528
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 2: The thing you have to remember as well. Tremaine comes in.

1529
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: He's got all these measurables. He's a freakish athlete, but

1530
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: he was also a guy that was ready to stand

1531
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 2: up in the huddle and call plays in an NFL

1532
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: game at twenty years at like nineteen when they drafted him.

1533
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 2: He'd stand up and command the huddle. He had no

1534
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: fear of standing in there and saying, hey, you do this.

1535
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: You do that to guys who are twenty eight years old,

1536
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, and had been in the league for five years.

1537
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 2: He was like that guy. I don't know if Jack

1538
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 2: Campbell's that way, or Drew Sanders that way, or this

1539
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 2: other guy either Simpson, but that's part of the equation

1540
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: there as well. This is the guy that he's gonna

1541
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: stand in the huddle and everybody's gonna look at him

1542
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 2: and he's gonna tell him what to do. It's not

1543
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 2: just anybody that can stand in there and do that

1544
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 2: or has that in him. That's part of the equation

1545
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: as well. So if Drew Sanders comes in and he's

1546
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: telling looking Sean McDermott in the eye and saying listen,

1547
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,959
Speaker 2: bro it's me and nobody else. Or if Jack Campbell's

1548
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 2: that guy saying that, that goes a long way. I

1549
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 2: think for a coach like Sean McDermott, if he's got

1550
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: the right guy, no matter what his measure, not no

1551
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: matter what, but if he's got the measurables and he

1552
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: tells Sean McDermott, he's the guy in those ways, that

1553
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 2: goes as far as any of the tape of the

1554
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 2: seas or almost as far. So it's a lot about

1555
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: who this guy is. And I don't know who Jack

1556
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: Campbell or Drew Sanders is. I couldn't pick him out

1557
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: of a lineup, but I can watch him on tape

1558
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:13,879
Speaker 2: and they're both really good players.

1559
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 3: And as I've said the last few weeks, I believe

1560
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 3: Sanders is going to be ranked higher on most teams

1561
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 3: boards because I see him as a two position player.

1562
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 3: Right he can play off the ball middle linebacker for

1563
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 3: you and run your defense and then get into third

1564
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 3: and twelve. And if you have a backup sub package linebacker,

1565
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 3: if you will that you can drop in the middle

1566
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 3: linebacker spot to play coverage. You put Drew Sanders up

1567
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 3: on the edge and he'll go rush the passer, because

1568
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 3: he was very effective in that at Arkansas.

1569
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know if because he's such a good

1570
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: pass rusher he can actually drop into coverages effectively if

1571
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: you do leave him in at middle linebacker.

1572
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 4: Can do some of that.

1573
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: Yes, Campbell does that. In fact, some people tell you

1574
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: Campbell's really good at it because he's smart and his

1575
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 2: eyes are in the right spot, that kind of thing. Simpson,

1576
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: I don't know about. I shy away from guy playing

1577
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 2: inside the box in the NFL who are weigh less

1578
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: than two hundred and fifty pounds. I shy away from

1579
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 2: guys like that because they're gonna get folded up like

1580
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: a pretzel.

1581
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 3: You look at Simpson and he almost looks like a

1582
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 3: big safety.

1583
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: Well, it's like Milano's been able to do it, but

1584
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's a special cat. Plus he's two.

1585
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: He's two thirty five, which is a little bigger. I

1586
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 2: don't know. You can't have you know, you can't have

1587
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 2: too many Matt Milonal's running out there, I guess, but

1588
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: you can have guys who look like Matt Milano and

1589
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: play like well.

1590
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 4: He plays a physical brand right of football too.

1591
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: You could I just you know what I'm saying. I

1592
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: think you start to go lighter and lighter and lighter

1593
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 2: and faster and faster, and pretty soon you got over.

1594
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: You got nineteen guys on ir and you're getting steamrolled.

1595
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the phones. We go to Jack

1596
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 3: in cheek to Wago, What do you got for us?

1597
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 2: Jack?

1598
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 8: Hi, guys.

1599
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 10: I think that the Bills can watch the draft next

1600
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 10: Thursday and know what's going to happen based on the

1601
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 10: number of quarterbacks that are taken before the Bills pick

1602
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 10: at twenty seven. Now, if there's a run like they're

1603
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 10: talking about now, and four quarterbacks are gone in the

1604
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,480
Speaker 10: first four picks, it's highly unlikely that that fifth quarterback

1605
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 10: is not going to be taken before the Bills draft.

1606
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 10: He's not you. Then I think there's the possibility that

1607
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 10: with five quarterbacks gone, that somebody with the first round

1608
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 10: value that the Bills liked but didn't think was going

1609
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 10: to be available might come to them in twenty seven

1610
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 10: and they could pull the trigger there. The problem is,

1611
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 10: if you're looking for a starting middle linebacker, those guys

1612
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 10: may not have that twenty seven value, and maybe you

1613
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 10: trade out and you get an early second round pick

1614
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 10: to go after a guy like that, because I think

1615
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 10: two of your better tight ends are going to be

1616
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 10: gone before the Bills picked. So if you're looking to

1617
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 10: add that position, you know, if you're looking at Washington

1618
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 10: or Muskgrave. Now the Bills have to go back to

1619
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 10: the value table and say, you know, who do we

1620
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 10: think is most valuable with either twenty seven or an

1621
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 10: acquired early second pick, or that that later what is

1622
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 10: it fifty nine pick later on in the uh, you know,

1623
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 10: on the second round. Then it's going to be very

1624
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,440
Speaker 10: interesting what Brandon is going to do in the circumstance.

1625
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack, you're right, You're right, Jack, But I don't,

1626
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I think it's going to take more than

1627
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 2: either a difference between either four quarterbacks and five quarterbacks

1628
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: to push a guy down. I think from what we

1629
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: are hearing, a lot of teams are saying there's like

1630
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: twenty or just around twenty guys in this draft that

1631
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: have first round picks, and you always expect one or

1632
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks to go, although last year was an exception,

1633
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 2: but they're planning on because a couple of these there's

1634
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 2: at least three of these quarterbacks that do have first

1635
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 2: round grades on them, so you expect those to go

1636
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 2: and two guys isn't going to get you from two

1637
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 2: twenty to twenty seven picks, so that the twenty seventh

1638
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: guy available, you know, at the twenty seventh pick, there's

1639
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: not going to be the twentieth best guy available. I

1640
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: think it's going to take more than just five quarterbacks

1641
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: to get to that value, right.

1642
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 3: And if you want to go really in depth on

1643
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 3: this subject in terms of what we'll fall to the Bills,

1644
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,879
Speaker 3: you should check out our podcast Bills by the Numbers,

1645
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 3: presented by FanDuel, because Steve and I slice this one

1646
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 3: hundred ways down to pick twenty seven, because, as Steve said,

1647
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 3: it is more than just about where the quarterbacks go.

1648
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 3: It's about how many edge rushers are getting picked before

1649
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 3: the Bills pick at twenty seven. It's how many offensive

1650
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: tackles are picked before the Bills go at twenty seven,

1651
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: and then there has to be an even.

1652
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 4: Fourth position group.

1653
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: We decided on the podcast, So if you want to

1654
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 3: hear us map all that out for you, you can

1655
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 3: go on your any podcast platform that you use and

1656
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 3: just type in Bills by the Numbers and our podcast

1657
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: will come up for you because we diced it all

1658
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 3: up and we went position by position and how many

1659
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: at each position could fall in front of Buffalo at

1660
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:04,919
Speaker 3: twenty seven.

1661
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 2: We got to about twenty at the max twenty one

1662
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: to twenty two guys and then yeah, I think there's

1663
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: gonna be some movement at the end of the round.

1664
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: One team's jumping back in and teams jumping out yep.

1665
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 3: And whether the Bills decide to jump up because there's

1666
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 3: only one or two guys left, as was the case

1667
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 3: last year with Kyrie Elam and they went up two

1668
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 3: spots to get them, or whether they say let's just

1669
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 3: get out of here and get some value in round two.

1670
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 4: That is the sixty four million dollar question.

1671
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 3: There you go.

1672
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 4: We have to take a break.

1673
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 3: Here a couple of final thoughts and questions from the

1674
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 3: OBL Friday fan mail bag on the tweet sheeet When

1675
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: we return here on one Bill's Live presented by Colid

1676
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 3: of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, back here

1677
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 3: for one last segment Live on a Friday. OBL Friday

1678
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,560
Speaker 3: fan Mailbag Open and the first the next question I

1679
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 3: should say that we have to get to comes from

1680
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 3: Bill's News Consolidated. How do you decipher football IQ from instincts.

1681
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 3: I don't know that you need to separate them necessarily.

1682
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 3: Both are considered advantageous if you have them, and I

1683
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 3: think it's just I think there's there's a general understanding

1684
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:36,879
Speaker 3: of schematics, angles and being able to decipher little tells

1685
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 3: within the opponent's scheme that allow you to anticipate what

1686
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 3: is coming and react accordingly before it even unfolds and happens.

1687
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 2: Right, you get a guy like you know, Luke Keikley

1688
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: who had had both had huge IQ. The IQ is

1689
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,440
Speaker 2: more like what you get is a level of knowledge

1690
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: that you have about what about your opponent and about

1691
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 2: scheme tams that you're gonna face and schemes that you run.

1692
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: You know where your defense is vulnerable, you know where

1693
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: they're probably going to attack, You know where the off

1694
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: what their offense does well, and what they're going to

1695
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 2: do and what they do well out of certain formations.

1696
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 2: This is all football IQ stuff that you know about schemes,

1697
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: about tactics, about what they're trying to do, and when

1698
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: you see something. Now, when you see something happen after

1699
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: the snap, instinct is when you react and you're kind

1700
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: of a half step ahead of it because your instincts

1701
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 2: tell you exactly what's happening, rather than having to figure

1702
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: it out and watch what's going on. You don't have

1703
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: to see everybody to know. You see a couple of guys,

1704
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 2: you read your keys, and you instinctively know they're trying

1705
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: to run a certain type of play against you, and

1706
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: you run to the point even if the ball is

1707
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 2: not there yet. Those are instincts. Football IQ is understanding

1708
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: concept to me is understanding concepts and tactics to such

1709
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: an extent. Is that you know situational football. You have

1710
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: narrowed the menu that what you're looking for pre snap

1711
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: that goes offensive and defensive. That's football IQ. You know

1712
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: the game and the x's and o's, and the tactics involved,

1713
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 2: where the defense is vulnerable, where your offense is capable,

1714
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 2: and out of what formations you're capable of doing. Something

1715
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 2: that's IQ instinct is see it, run to it, and

1716
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: make the play before anybody else, and react quicker because

1717
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: you kind of you're mentally you understand what's going on.

1718
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 2: So they are linked, no question, But instincts can get

1719
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 2: you a long way, and so can football IQ.

1720
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 3: TAD asks on the mail bag with McDermott calling the defense, now,

1721
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 3: what areas do you see improving in this defense based

1722
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: on his Carolina years? Quick answer, sacks and takeaways. When

1723
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 3: McDermott was calling the Carolina defense, more often than not

1724
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 3: in those six years, they were at the top of

1725
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 3: the league or in the top three in sacks and takeaways.

1726
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 3: I think he can expect that with mcdermccall in the

1727
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 3: defenses here, he's aggressive.

1728
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it for us this week.

1729
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 3: We'll see on Draft Week Monday at one