1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff mom never told you from how supports 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: not come. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: and I'm Kristen, and today we're talking about women on money, 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: because it's happening, you guys, it's happening. What Yeah, women, 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lady on some money. And as 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: of this recording, we don't know who yet, but we 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: know that a woman's face in portrait possibly will appear 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: on the ten dollar bill in the United States of America. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: In the United States, that's right, it's happening on the 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: ten in because that is the one anniversary of the 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: ratification of the nineteenth Amendment, which gave women the right 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: to vote. So the U. S. Treasury was like, oh, hey, 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: we haven't had a woman on paper money in a really, really, 14 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: really long time, and people have been talking about women 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: getting on the twenty or something like that, so let's 16 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: compromise and put her on the tin all right, It 17 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: will be seventy eight smaller than the regular tin um 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: but a Treasury Secretary, Jacob Blue, said that it will 19 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: be a woman who was a champion for our inclusive democracy. Uh, 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: and the current ten dollar inhabitant Founding Father and O G. 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary Alexander. Hamilton's will still be on the bill, 22 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: but they haven't decided if he's still going to be 23 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: on a ten dollar bill like normal, and then women 24 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: will have their own ten dollar bill, or if Hamilton's 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: will just be somewhere else rather than in that prime 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: center position on the bill. I really hope that they 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: have the woman's face front and center, and then sort 28 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: of a tableau off on this side, like a nature scene, 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: and you can see Hamilt peeking out from behind a bush, 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: all like what happened the money tree? Yes, exactly, Hamilton's 31 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: scrambling up a money tree, little binoculars like who is this? 32 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: Who is this female? Well, I mean that description of 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: like a potential imagery on on money sounds like it's strange, 34 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: But that's what our money used to look like. Not 35 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Hamilton's peeking through a money tree or bush or something shrubbery. Uh, 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: But our money did used to have so much crazy 37 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: imagery on it, whether it was animals or plants or 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: buildings or just general like scenes from history, roller coasters. Frankenstein. 39 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: Fun fact used to be on the five Brian to Frankenstein. No, 40 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: not the Brian Caroline is a woman. Oh my god. 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the face is actually on our paper. Money 42 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: in the US haven't changed since nine, when Andrew Jackson 43 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: replaced Grover Cleveland on the twenty and more about Andrew 44 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Jackson on the twenty in a minute. But the reason 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: why this change to money happened in twenty nine was 46 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: when because the US government was instituting some new rules 47 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: about US currency. Because in one case, one of the 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was Treasury Secretary or not 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: um and I don't have his name in front of me, 50 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: but a guy with the power to do so decided 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: to put himself on a bill, and all of the 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: other folks were like, whoa, Okay, we need to we 53 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: need to make some rules. So one of which is 54 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: that whoever is on money has to be dead. Yeah, 55 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: that way, living people can't, you know, play god and 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: put themselves on cash. Well, I mean, other people have 57 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the faces of currently alive individuals on their money. I mean, 58 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: look at look at the Queen of England and British 59 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: Commonwealth States and all of her Crown dependencies. She's on 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: plenty of money and she's still truck and right along 61 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: she's always making a rain with with her face all 62 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: over cash. Um. But as a lot of people have 63 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: probably heard now in the reporting on this forthcoming ten 64 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: dollar bill, this woman will not be the very first 65 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: American lady on paper money in the US. In fact, 66 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: the first was Lady Matha Washington. That's right, first first 67 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Lady Martha Washington was on one of the first one 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: dollar silver certificates, which used to be a pretty common 69 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: type of currency, and legend has it that Martha even 70 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: donated some silverware to be melted down and made into 71 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: some of the country's earliest money, the half Disney, which 72 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: I really think that they should just bring back the 73 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: half Disney. Yeah that totally looks like a typo. Yeah, 74 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: like I think you meant dimes, no Disney, okay. Um yeah. 75 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: So some people are saying, well, well, maybe that was 76 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: actual like payback in a way, like thanks for that 77 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: silver owen, for being the first first lady. Here here 78 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: is a silver certificate. But then she was removed when 79 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: the redesigned silver note was issued in eighteen nineties six. 80 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: But she wasn't the only one. There was also pocahanas 81 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: A Ka Mattawaka, who appeared on a twenty dollar note 82 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: from the mid nineteenth century. But she wasn't the only 83 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: person on there, and it was a depiction of her 84 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Christian baptism, which isn't exactly honoring her so much as 85 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: us just celebrating cultural erasure. Sure, so while we might 86 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: not have been super big on putting real life women 87 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: on our money, we were pretty cool about putting putting fake, 88 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: allegorical mythological women on our money. Yeah. We actually found 89 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: a really fascinating paper about the symbolism of American money 90 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: in a journal called the Communication Review from two thousand 91 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: eight and talked about how pre Revolutionary War each colony 92 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: had images of things relevant to itself. So this is 93 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: what Caroline was talking about earlier in terms of how 94 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: money in the United States seems to be a lot 95 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: more fun. So this pre Revolutionary War currency would have 96 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: things like flora and fauna and ships and buildings and 97 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: not actually Frankenstein or Frankenstein's bride, as I joked earlier. Um, 98 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Whereas during the Revolution, imagery on money really started to 99 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: veer into more anti monarchical patriotic tableaus that we think 100 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: of more today. So when it comes to these allegorical women. 101 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: You have, of course, like Lady Liberty, you have women 102 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: symbolizing fertility, history, even science, science was dressed up with 103 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: a nice little gown on or hair all up hashtag 104 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: distractingly sexy. Exactly in these allegorical or mythological characters were 105 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: largely done a way with when Treasury Secretary Line Engage 106 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: called for quote less less whirling dervish figures, nude or 107 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: otherwise basically in an effort to make bank notes all business, 108 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: all business, all the time on our money. No no 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: more of these women with their flowing robes symbolizing liberty 110 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: and agricultural fertility and God forbid science. And this was 111 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: a sentiment that ended up getting echoed by senators wives 112 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: in the late nineteenth century when a partially nude but 113 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: with beautiful flowing capes and robes, woman holding a light 114 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: and symbolizing the power of electricity graced the back of 115 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: a special edition five dollar bank note. Electricity ended up 116 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: getting removed. Did the senator's wives think she was to scandalous? 117 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: To scandalous? And I would refer these these women to 118 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: our episode on the nude. Yes, we need to listen 119 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: to that episode on the female nude. And I just 120 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: love the idea Lady Electricity. She hanging out with Lady 121 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: Liberty on the weekend, she should be Yeah, she's holding 122 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: up her light bulb like she's got a great idea 123 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: all the time. Man, you know what. I but their 124 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: rivals then, because you got Lady Liberty holding up the 125 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: torch and she's like, what is this I got? I 126 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: got fired, You've got this new fingled Electricity. And they're 127 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: both like, can I can I put my arm down? 128 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, my arms are real tired. I would love 129 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to like reach down and be able to pull my 130 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: robes across my chest. But it's just like, so breezy, 131 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: can I Now? All right? It's hard out there for 132 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: an allegorical female figure on US currency, Caroline, That's right, Um, 133 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: we we did have actual, real life women portrayed on 134 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: some coins. I mean, this whole discussion is based on 135 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: the fact that we are about to get a woman 136 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: about to about she had a woman on paper money. 137 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: But we did have some women appear on coins, three 138 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: of them. Three of Oh my gosh. But watch out, 139 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: especially if you don't count allegorical, fake not real women 140 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: like the Statue of Liberty or Lady Liberty. Um, we 141 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: had Helen Keller, Saka Daweah, and Susan B. Anthony who 142 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: have all been on coins. But historically, like this country 143 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: just doesn't do well with coins, we tend to get 144 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: very confused about them. Um. So, back in the nineteen seventies, 145 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: when the debate was going on over what woman would 146 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: go on the dollar coin, the Treasury didn't recommend Old Treasury. 147 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: They recommended the Statue of Liberty, to which Colorado Congressman 148 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Patricia Schredder said, you guys, we have real birds and 149 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: real buffalo on our coins. It's time we had a 150 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: real woman. No more of this shirtless electricity we need. 151 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: We need a woman who actually lived and breathed. So 152 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine we got that with suffragists, Susan B. 153 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: Anthony winning out over the statue, becoming the first woman 154 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: to appear on a US coin. But the downside of 155 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: that is that fewer than eight hundred million were produced, 156 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: and people were very confused about the Susan B. Anthon 157 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: me coin. They often thought it was a quarter and 158 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: then we're like, oh no, wait, it's a dollar. What 159 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: do I do with this? This is coke machine? Except 160 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Susan B. Anthony coin. I know, I feel like I've 161 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: used somebody. I I feel like instantly when someone gives 162 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: me a dollar coin, I look, I look at it 163 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: in my hand, and then I look at them like 164 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: do you hate me? I think you're doing this is 165 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: like a passive jab at me somehow, because ultimately, when 166 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: I go to the freaking vending machine, the vending machine 167 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,479 Speaker 1: will give me what I want, but it gets confused. 168 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: See it's confusing even robots, and then I don't get 169 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: my change. I need three quarters back, although I don't 170 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: know what an a vending machine would only be a quarter. 171 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: I will stock up on my singles for you. Well. 172 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: The same thing, though, happened with Saka Jewia on the 173 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: Golden dollar coin, which came out in two thousand, where 174 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: again people were like, what do I what do I 175 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: do with this? Hello? I mean I feel like, uh, 176 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Europe has coin money figured out, only better than the 177 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: US as we are just well, we really have some 178 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: just incompetence when it comes to not only making but 179 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: also spending money. And then you've got Helen Keller. She 180 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: was not on a on a dollar coin. She was 181 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: on the back of a quarter so so less confusing 182 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: for people to to use. She appeared on the back 183 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: of the special edition Alabama State quarter. You know, every 184 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: state if you're in America, you know this. I'm not 185 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: explaining anything new to you, but there was a state 186 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: series released and so a quarter had George Washington on 187 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: the front. On the back, it had something symbolizing the 188 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: state in recognition of when it joined the Union, blah 189 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: blah blah, and so Alabama put, among other things, Helen Keller. 190 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: So that was good and a lot less confusing for 191 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Americans who really only know what to do with paper money, 192 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: paper money and quarters. Quarters do you get used? Yeah, 193 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: it's really just the dollar coin that really throws people off. Yeah, 194 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: but other countries have had no problem at all. It 195 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: seems like putting women on their money. So Time magazine 196 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: did a whole roundup of currency around the world featuring women. 197 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: So let's hop on over to Syria, which features Queen Zenobia, which, 198 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: if you don't know who Queen Zenobia is, first of 199 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: all stuff you missed in history class. Our sister podcast 200 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: has a fantastic episode on her, and we mentioned her 201 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: in a roundup of queens who fought to rule over 202 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: its stuff. And I've never told you dot Com learn 203 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: more about Zenobia. She was quite a woman. And then 204 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: if you go to the Philippines, you have Corazon Aquino, 205 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: who was the first female president of the Philippines on 206 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: some money. Head over to Israel you have a poet 207 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Rachel Blue Seene who's on on money. You don't even 208 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: have to be a president, you can be a poet, 209 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: that's right. And then other countries with women on their 210 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: money include Turkey, Mexico, Argentina, New Zealand, Sweden, and Australia. Um. 211 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: But there is another country that it's it's not without 212 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: controversy when a woman wants to when someone wants to 213 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: put a woman on money, uh, And that that's England. 214 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: The Bank of England announced that it would replace Charles 215 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: Darwin with Jane Austen on its ten pound notes. And 216 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: and the whole point is like, let's pick someone who's inoffensive, 217 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: non controversial, like you know, somebody who everybody can kind 218 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: of get behind. And Jane Austen is a pretty safe choice. 219 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: But nobody, nobody was happy. People freaked out. They called 220 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: her a sneering chronicler of petty squabbles. They called her ugly, 221 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: which anyway, they protested the fact that she was a 222 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: white woman and not a person of color, that she's 223 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: too obsessed with money, and other people just simply said 224 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: she's too safe a choice. We need somebody who's either 225 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: a leader or an activist of some kind. Do you 226 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: think that part of the uproar over that was that 227 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: she was replacing Charles Darwin and so maybe they're like, well, 228 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: you know, those are big. I mean, it could be 229 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: because a lot of the arguments here now regarding Alexander 230 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Hamilton's on the tent, I mean, it kind of echoes 231 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: the same argument. But then you have to look at 232 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: the fact also that the two women who led the 233 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: campaign to put a woman on paper currency ended up 234 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: themselves facing threats of rape and other violence. So it's 235 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: probably not about Jane Austen exactly. Yeah. The fact that 236 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: some people were issuing bomb threats, threats of violence, threats 237 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: of rape against the woman who in Great Britain, who 238 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: campaigned to get this Jane Austen bill through is mind 239 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: boggling to me. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but 240 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: for that it is surprising because it's like, why, why 241 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: would someone have such a personal steak in a dead 242 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: person's face on money that you would make a rape 243 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: threat to a stranger. Yeah. Well, Kristen, when you put 244 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: it that way, you know, I mean, that's that's wild. 245 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: Well let's let's talk though about those women in the 246 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: US who spearheaded this campaign which has ultimately led to this. Well, 247 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: so here in the US, people aren't fighting over Jane Austen, 248 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: entrepreneur Barbara Ortiz Howard, and journalist Susan Aids Stone teamed 249 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: up to launch the Women on Twenties campaign, and they 250 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: got the idea when President Obama said something in a 251 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: speech about it being a pretty good idea to put 252 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: a woman on US currency. And the thing is he 253 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: has the power to do that. He could tell the 254 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: Treasury Department to do so. Um. But Ortiz, Howard and 255 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Stone specifically wanted to replace old Hickory on the twenty, 256 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: not Hamilton's on the tin, because this is a guy 257 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: who helped pass the Indian Removal Act of eighteen thirty, 258 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: which ultimately led to the Trail of Tears, basically sought 259 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: to wipe out Native America, ends to further the progress 260 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: of white people. Um. And he wasn't super big on 261 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: paper money anyway. This this is a guy who was 262 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: all about the silver and gold standard, who also would 263 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: have had nothing nice to say about Americans who can't 264 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: figure out the dollar coin. And when it comes to 265 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: how he got on the twenty to begin with, the 266 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: history is murky. There wasn't even a compelling reason at 267 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: the time for him specifically to get on that bill. 268 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: So in March and April, Women on the Twenties pulled 269 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: more than a million visitors to their website and to 270 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: find out who people think should replace Jackson on the 271 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: twenty and Harriet Tubman came out on top, followed by 272 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: Eleanor Roosevelt, Rosa Parks, and Wilma Mankiller. And this grassroots 273 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: campaign was so wildly successful it got so much media coverage. 274 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: Um there was even a room for debate section at 275 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: the New York Times featuring all sorts of female luminaries 276 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: sort of doing their own nominations for who they think 277 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: should be on the twenty. Yeah, Gloria Steinham promoted to 278 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: journal Truth, Roxanne Gay advocated for Margaret Sanger, and Linda Chavez, 279 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: who's the president of the conservative nonprofit Becoming American Institute 280 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: recommended Emma Lazarus, who's a poet whose words appear on 281 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: the Statue of Liberty. Give me your tired, your poor, 282 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: your huddled masses yearning to breathe free and so on. 283 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Um and so this, all of this media attention, all 284 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: of these voices chiming in together, was enough to inspire 285 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: some action. New Hampshire Senator Jean Shaheen introduced a bill 286 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: to mandate that a woman be placed on the twenty 287 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: again the twenties specifically. So why why was the ten chosen? 288 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: Were women just being short changed? So I speak, I 289 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: like that numismatic punk Caroline. Well, the reason why the 290 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: ten was chosen, so the Treasury Department says, is because 291 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: it was on their to do list for a redesign. 292 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: It was next in line to get a little bit 293 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: of a makeover, and officials decided on the tin back in. 294 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: And really the design is for the purpose of beating counterfeits. 295 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: So it takes about a decade to redesign and produce 296 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: a new note, because government, because government. Um. So it 297 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: was sort of a record scratch moment though for the 298 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: twenty dollar campaigners, because on the one hand, it's like Okay, 299 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: we are getting a woman on some paper money, but 300 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: it's not the twenty And there was something very specific 301 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: and so so pointed about women on the twenties. They 302 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: weren't campaigning for the ten. They wanted specifically to get 303 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: rid of Andrew Jackson. So Ortiz Howard told The Atlantic quote, 304 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: this was originally supposed to be a celebration of women 305 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: and their contributions to this country, and a rate by 306 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: product was going to be replacing someone who represents hate, 307 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: i e. Andrew Jackson. And now she said, we have 308 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: a bit of a curve ball. Yeah, And so that 309 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: curveball has helped spark a bit of a backlash. So 310 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: not only is our old buddy Hamilton's getting pushed aside, 311 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: but he's getting pushed aside for a woman, which is 312 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: really offensive to a lot of people. And not only 313 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: is Hamilton getting pushed aside for a woman, but it's 314 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: happening because of a campaign by women about women. It's 315 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: the same kind of aggressive response that a lot of 316 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: people had to the women who started the campaign in 317 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: England to get not necessarily specifically Jane Austen, but just 318 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: to get a woman on the money. A lot of 319 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: people have had a lot of strong responses, and one 320 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: big name who has come out against particularly a woman 321 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: replacing Hamilton's has been Bernankee. He's the former Federal Reserve 322 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: chairman who chimed in on his blog and said, I 323 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: must admit I was appalled to hear if Treasury Secretary 324 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: Jack lose decision last week to mote Alexander Hamilton's from 325 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: his featured position on the ten dollar bill. And he 326 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: was basically saying that, yeah, it's fine to put a 327 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: woman on paper money, but it shouldn't come at Hamilton's expense. 328 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: And so what is the deal? Why are people so 329 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: upset about Hamilton's leaving. Well, he was an incredibly influential 330 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: founding father, and he wrote two thirds of the Federalist papers, 331 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: which were written to persuade people to ratify the Constitution. 332 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: And in the process of all of this, he designed 333 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: much of the executive branch, including what would become the 334 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. So he really helped lay the groundwork for 335 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: our treasury system. He was instrumental in that money getting 336 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: into our hands. Well, he was climbing all of his 337 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: money trees to spy on Martha. What wasn't Martha Washington 338 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: know well bossby Martha Washington, but any woman, you know, 339 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: be on the news. I've already left. Yeah, I've already 340 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: there we go. I just I can't get the picture 341 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: of Hamilton's in a tree out of my head with 342 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: a little little telescope. And I agree, honestly with Bernankee. 343 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Great idea. Put a woman on some money, but leave 344 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: Hamilton's in place. He's the one that makes sense out 345 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: of really anybody who's on our money. She's Christen's waving 346 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: her hands for him. My hands are in the air. 347 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: I'm waving him like. I just don't care, Caroline, because 348 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: it's wild to me that Andrew Jackson is staying in place, 349 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: and that just I know that there's the the Treasury 350 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: very valid argument of listen, there's an order that we 351 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: do this in the ten is next. And you ladies 352 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: are going a little a little wild with this women 353 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: on Twenties campaign. We're getting a lot of pressure. We've 354 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: got the centennial of women's suffrage coming up Boom special 355 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Edition ten. But I'm just saying it's not good enough. Well, 356 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: there are other people saying that this isn't good enough either. 357 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: If we replace Hamilton's with someone like Harriet Tubman. You 358 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: know a lot of people have advocated for not just Tubman, 359 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: but to Journer Truth, Rosa Parks, women who have been 360 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: important in the civil rights movement throughout our country's history. 361 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: And for instance, Kirsten west safali over at the Route 362 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: wrote that no amount of subversive symbolism changes the fact 363 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: that the US does not value black women. And she's 364 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: pointing out that, yes, yes, we should honor these women, 365 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: We should honor Harriet Tubman and to General Truth and 366 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Rosa Parks, but putting them on money in the United 367 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: States is not the way to do it. She says, 368 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: that's not progress, it's huh money. And she says, also, 369 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: why would black women celebrate the one anniversary of the 370 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: nineteenth Amendment when they weren't able to vote somewhat freely, 371 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: she says, until the Voting Rights Act of Yeah, a 372 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of of people like that have pointed out how 373 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: this whole money and capitalism system is directly related to, oh, 374 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, slavery and the things that to General 375 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: Truth and Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks were dedicating their 376 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: lives to break free from and the legacy of slavery, 377 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: So it is it just seems darkly ironic to then 378 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: put one of their faces on the ultimate symbol of 379 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: that capitalist system. Yeah, so she's basically saying, yes, find 380 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: other ways to honor these women, and honor them loudly 381 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: and constantly, but find a different way other than putting 382 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: them on money. And then, of course you have the 383 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: backlash that's gotten a lot more traction in the media 384 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: I feel like, which is from a lot of various 385 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: men's rights activist groups who are saying that there there 386 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: are not enough qualified women to even consider putting on money. 387 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: Um or there's the argument that unless a woman has 388 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: fought for the rights of men and women, she should 389 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: not go on money. People like uh so Junior Truth 390 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: didn't do enough to advocate from men, eleanor Roosevelt didn't 391 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: do enough to advocate from men's specifically, No matter the 392 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: fact that these people were dedicated to helping African American lives, 393 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: or women's lives or human rights in general, it's not enough. 394 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: A lot of men's rights activists are saying, but we 395 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: need someone who actively fought for men too. But men 396 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: men's rights activists also operate from the faulty logic that 397 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: gender equality is a zero sum game, and I got 398 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: no time for that. Yeah, and I think that is 399 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: a sentiment that's been underlying a lot of this, a 400 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: lot of the more fringe discussions on this topic. Now, 401 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: maybe so much the Time magazine or New York Times 402 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: discussion of putting a woman on the ten or the twenty. 403 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, this idea that somehow putting a woman on 404 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: money takes something away from men, well, because it does 405 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: actually take away in this case, it does take something away. 406 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: It takes one man's face away from us seeing it 407 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: when we pull it out of our wallets. But I mean, 408 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: other countries redesign money, and we in our country's history 409 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: have a long history of redesigning money and putting plants 410 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: on it. And you know, so, oh, I know, it's 411 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. But I feel like this starts to stray 412 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: off into a whole other conversation of how equality and 413 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: civil rights and recognizing contributions of a diverse group of 414 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: people does not always inherently come at the expense of 415 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: someone else, That uplifting one group does not simultaneously push 416 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: another group down, and creating your own oppression in that 417 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: way is just faulty. But then again, men's rights say 418 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: that women are oppressing themselves. So again I don't even 419 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: have time or interest in engaging in that. Well. And 420 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: you could also ask, what's the big deal what's the 421 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: on either side? What's the big deal about putting a 422 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: woman on money? What's the big deal about taking a 423 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: man off of money? You know? But uh, that study 424 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: that you cited earlier, Kristen from the Community Asian Review 425 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, they looked at this this 426 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: meaning behind money, and it's a very purposeful thing that governments, 427 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: not just the United States, but that governments do is 428 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: to imbue money with a lot of meaning. Um. So 429 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: they're looking at money basically as mass communication and reinforcing 430 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: a national identity. And they say that since paper money 431 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: itself is essentially worthless, the documentary and aesthetic conventions of 432 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: it reveal a government's attempt to insert value, legitimacy, and 433 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: also social trust. And so our money combines imagery associated 434 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: with the formal political and legal authority, but also nationalist themes. 435 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: I mean, as we talked about, you know, in in 436 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: our early history, you had women symbolizing liberty or science 437 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: or or progress um. And so they write together these 438 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: mutually reinforcing strategies merge the contractual obligations of the state 439 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: with the sacred bonds of national identity. And so we 440 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: are supposed to connect with the ideas on money. We're 441 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: supposed to see the political stuff and the legal stuff, 442 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: to consider our money a very official thing that we 443 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: can trust that when we take it to the gas 444 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: station to pay for a candy bar, that we will 445 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: get that candy bar. Um. But it's also um something 446 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: that portrays images of national pride, so that we also 447 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: really identify with our money. It's pride and also national values, 448 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: such as in God we trust being printed on paper money, 449 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: specifically during the Cold War to contrast those godless communists. Right. So, 450 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: whether we support capitalism and its outcomes, which have not 451 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: been very kind to a lot of people in this country, 452 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: UM or not, you can't deny that the symbolism of 453 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: currency around the world is quite powerful. I think, and 454 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: I do, and I am happy to see that there 455 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: will be a woman on some kind of paper money 456 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: in the US, especially when we again going back to 457 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: that time roundup of global currency featuring women. It's just 458 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: like yet again, it's like the United States, just catch up. 459 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: Just put a woman on some currency, for instance, just 460 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: quick shout out to New Zealand want some of their money. 461 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: Features Kate Shepherd, who was the suffragist or suffragette, I 462 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: think she would be appropriately labeled, who pushed through voting 463 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: rights for women in New Zealand, making it the very 464 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: first country in the world granting universal voting rights to women, 465 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: and to then put her face on that currency, to me, 466 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: says a lot about how New Zealand takes a lot 467 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: of pride and values that work. But it is funny 468 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: in that awful way, not in a great funny ha 469 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: haaway um that the response to women or anyone advocating 470 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: for women to be on money is not that far 471 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: away from the response to women who wanted to vote. 472 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: And how appropriate, because that's what this is marking, is 473 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: the hundredth anniversary of women getting the vote, and so 474 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 1: people are still telling women, sit down, we don't want 475 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say. Why are you 476 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: asking for so much? Shouldn't you just be happy that 477 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: you have money in your wallet? Why do you have 478 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: to be on it too? Exactly? Yeah, if we oh, 479 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope. Put a woman on on money, 480 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: next thing you know, there will be one spending it 481 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: in the White House. Um. I think that really the 482 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: appropriate commemorative bill that needs to come out is just 483 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: a cent um paper paper bill, because that's That's another 484 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: thing too that doesn't sit entirely easy with me. Where 485 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: it's like, but there's so much economic disparity that still 486 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: exists between the sexes, and uh, why don't we talk 487 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: more about that? You know, I wonder if if the 488 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: do you think at all this conversation distracts away from that, 489 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: especially talking about women of color. I mean the fact 490 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: that if you start drilling down into economic disparity when 491 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: it comes to women, that black women and Latino women 492 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: are even more disproportionately disenfranchised when it comes to our 493 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: money in the US. Yeah, I just don't want to 494 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: see and and No, I mean, I agree with you 495 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: in the extent that I would like to see Andrew 496 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: Jackson removed before Alexander Hamilton's. But I just I hope, uh, 497 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: that it's not just a special edition bill, because all 498 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: of those dollar coins were essentially special edition. Yes they 499 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: were supposed to be used, Yes they were minted and circulated, 500 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: but again not as many of them were minted as 501 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: like a regular coin, um, and so people were just 502 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: dismissing these things as like not being useful. And so 503 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: I would like to to see the woman on whatever 504 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: bill it is and whatever woman it is actually be, 505 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, regular money. Well, and speaking of regular money, 506 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: we don't have the stats in front of us, but 507 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: there was that uh infographic we saw of money circulated, 508 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: paper money circulated in the US, and it's pretty much 509 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: all ones in twenties. The ten is rarely used. I'll 510 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: use a five before I use a t. I don't 511 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: know the last time I had a tin in my wallet, Caroline, 512 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: because yeah, the at M only gives out I wish 513 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: the a t M gave out ten dollar bills. The 514 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: ATM only gives me twenties. We've got a laundry list 515 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: of currency updates that we want to we want to 516 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: press through. Maybe maybe we just needed like a women's 517 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: face on all debit cards because I really just used 518 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: that now. Yeah, really really ruffles some men's rights. But 519 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: rs UM, and with that, what do you think about 520 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: the currency debate? Do you think it's a great thing? 521 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: Do you have a woman that you would love to 522 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: see on the ten? Are you equally distraught that Hamilton's 523 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: getting kicked off instead of old Hickory Mom's stubbit. House 524 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: Stuff works dot com is where you can send us 525 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: your thoughts. You can also tweet us at mom Stuff 526 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: podcast or messages on Facebook. And we've got a couple 527 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: of messages to share with you right now. Okay, Well, 528 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: I have a letter here from a listener who would 529 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: like to remain anonymous, and she's a new Sminty listener, 530 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: and she says, I've been particularly enjoying your podcasts about 531 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: women working in different male oriented roles such as carpentry, construction, 532 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: and architecture. I also work in a male oriented environment 533 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: because about a year ago I resign my very sensible 534 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: office job and joining the ambulance Service. I'm currently working 535 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: as an emergency care assistant, so I spent a lot 536 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: of time running around after the paramedics and carrying their bags. 537 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: But we all have just started somewhere. Right when I 538 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: joined the Ambo service, I really imagine that i'd be 539 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: working with caring people who treated people really well. Sadly, 540 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: there are many people who let the team down with 541 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: an endless stream of sexist and or racist comments. I'm 542 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: constantly subjected to sexual harassment, bullying, and moaning about how 543 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: they shouldn't let women do this job. I've been groped 544 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: by co workers and made to feel like I'm utterly 545 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: useless by men who pushed me out of the way 546 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: and won't let me help carry sick people or help 547 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: out with the other physical demands of my very physically 548 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: challenging job. Other women in my workplace have experienced the 549 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: same problems, and some are more bothered than others. One 550 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: of my female workmates says that if some chauvinistic man 551 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: wants to hurt his back carrying a two fifty pound man, 552 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: rather him than her. A lot of these guys seem 553 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: to think that they are he man and that a 554 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: tough guy attitude is all that's needed to get the 555 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: job done, never mind the fact that we spend a 556 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: lot of our time taking care of little old ladies 557 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: who feel threatened by this overly macho approach. As for 558 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: a racism, there is not a single black person working 559 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: for my ambulance trust, and I do wonder if they've 560 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: all been pushed away. Despite all this, I'm sticking with it. 561 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: I do love the job, if not the people, and 562 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: find it endlessly rewarding. I've been accepted into the country's 563 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: best paramedic training program and start in September. I'm hoping 564 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: that will show a few people what I'm made of. 565 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: So although I continue to let people think I am 566 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: tough as old boots and wear my emotional armor to work, 567 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: I must confide that I spend every day quivering inside. 568 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for the great podcast. Please send my love and 569 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: support to all other women dealing with similar issues in 570 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: the workplace and tell them to stick with it, as 571 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: I do believe that eventually all of this will get better. 572 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: So I've got a letter here from Stephanie about our 573 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: skateboarding women to Parter, and she writes, greetings from Australia. 574 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm a longtime listener and fan of the podcast and 575 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: found your recent episode on skateboarding particularly interesting as it's 576 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: a hobby of mine, something I do mainly just to 577 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: get from A to B. I had a bit of 578 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: an aha moment while listening to this episode because if 579 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: few weeks ago, I was researching buying a particular board 580 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: and found myself on the website for a major skate 581 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: brand element and something stood out to me and made 582 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: me feel a little sad inside. They sell a whole 583 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: lot of non skateboard products, like clothes, so they split 584 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: the site into men's and women's stuff, and interestingly, they 585 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: put all the actual skateboarding stuff under the men's category. 586 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: The women's section is purely clothing and accessories, which just 587 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: seems to be blatantly loaded with too many assumptions for 588 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: my taste. I never really stopped to consider the gendering 589 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: of skating before this, because I had always thought about 590 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: it as just a fun thing to do, and it 591 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: was quite popular when I lived in a women's dormitory 592 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: at university. I hope you found this interesting stuff, and 593 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: I went to that website and checked it out, and 594 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: it's so true. Yeah, so much, so much cute clothes 595 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: for women, and you just kind of had to dig 596 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: in the men's section to find the skateboard. So gendering 597 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: of skateboards totally exists, y'all. 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