1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmm. Welcome back all the smoke. Jack. 2 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: We get to close out with a good one, real run. Yeah, 3 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: come on, man, that's dot Man. Uh someone I've got 4 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: a chance to play it for a long time. Brief teammates, 5 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: but great career. But to me even better person. 6 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: We know. Yeah, man, a good dude. 7 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Sean Livingston, appreciate you, thank you. 8 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: Come on, man, it's been in the making. Last time 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: we tried to get you, what happened. You got scratched 10 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: in the eye or. 11 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: Something and eye infection. Kids happened dirt Yeah, who knows. 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Dirty fingers got the eyeball and we had to push 13 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: it up. 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: But we're happy to have you here. 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Man, Man, three time NBA champs, four time champ overall, 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: because you want to ring as an executive. What's life 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: been like post career for you? 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's nothing like playing, right, nothing like playing. 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm man, I'm grateful just for the 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: journey because without playing on all the different teams and meeting, 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: you know, all the players and getting a chance share 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: my story, I had an opportunity to stay around the game, 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 3: you know, coaching or front office and so I chose 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: the front office life just having a young family, wanted 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: to be there for the kids, watch them grow up. 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: So you know, it's my third year doing it and 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: so just enjoying being, you know, being around the game. 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: As you said, third season doing it. This season Golden 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: State obviously started off a little rocky with the Draymond 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: and Pool situation, and you know, through Draymond's podcast, you 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: kind of hear more and more of his thought process 32 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: through the whole entire thing as someone who has shared 33 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: the locker room with that core guys. And then now 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: you're in the front office or we're just kind of 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: your thoughts overall on the from the beginning to you know, 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: the second loss, a second round defeat. 37 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: I think I was in the camp of, you know, 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: this team, you know, maximized what it had from that 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: standpoint of the energy. I mean, you guys have been 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: in the locker rooms and you guys know what teams 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: have a chance based on how we rock with each other. 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: You know what guys are rocking together, and it usually 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: start at the top with the best players. 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: It starts there. 45 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: You know, coaches gym obviously, but the team, the players, 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: you know, that's what makes everything go. You know, they 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: control what happens on the floor, so uh, they have 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: to be locked in, right, and it starts in the 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: locker room, starts off the court. Really, you know, get 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: a chance to be authentic and be vulnerable and you know, 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: do do things to. 52 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 4: You know where it builds trust. 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: And I think this year, you know, with the incident 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: Draymond Jordan, right, Uh, some of that trust was lost 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: and uh, a ricochet throughout them the locker room and 56 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: just with Draymond just you guys know his presence, you 57 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: know that that's that's his value when when he walks 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: in the room, you feel him immediately, and so you know, 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: just that whole dynamic working through that all throughout the year, 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: getting to the playoffs, you know, saying Okay, now's the 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: time to turn it on. 62 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: It's hard to turn to switch on. 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: If you're one of the best teams ever to do. 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: It, it's hard to do. 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: So I think this group, ultimately, you know, we we 66 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: maxed out. We've lost some veteran pieces too that were 67 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: I think crucial to that fabric. 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: So you know, this team pretty much maxed up. 69 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: A lot of movement with upcoming contracts, and you know, 70 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: a good friend of all of ours, brob Myers, deciding 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: what his decision is going to be as someone who 72 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: is in that office and plans on moving forward. What 73 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: is kind of your guys' overall view on just you know, 74 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: resigning key guys or you know, is you know Bob's decision, 75 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Obviously you can't give us 76 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: too much, but what can you give us on that? 77 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it starts with Bob, right, I mean, 79 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: he he's the architect, and then his value is the relationships. 80 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: You know. 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: I watched the interview you guys had on here and 82 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: and Bob's just you know, he's great, uh, fantastic communicator, 83 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: Like he could talk to anybody about anything, and it 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: just levels the playing field. Obviously we have some big names, 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: big stars, you know, those guys hold a lot of weight, 86 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: you know, but Bob can walk in the room and 87 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: just really you know, level out the playing field, make 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: everybody feel comfortable, you know, all all three layers, you know, ownership, up, coaching, 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: coaching staff, players. Uh, he's the guy, you know, and 90 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: so him and Steph you know, and in my eyes 91 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: Steve as well, you know, really make that organization, you know, spend. 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: So it starts with him, uh, seeing what he's gonna do, 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: and then you know, obviously they have some decisions to make, uh, 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: you know, a couple of guys, Straymont situations, contract situation. 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: Everybody knows what he means for the Warriors, what he's done, 96 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: what he's accomplished. You know it's been said, but you 97 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: know I got a stamp it as well, Like you 98 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: don't have one championship without him, you know, I mean. 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: That's Can you speak to that though, because from the 100 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: outside looking in and we live in a world now 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: where everyone has a motherfucking opinion, and I say the 102 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: same thing you do. Speak to his importance on the court, 103 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: off the court, leadership, just what he brings to that 104 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: organization as a whole. 105 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: Man, it's it's hard to just you know, it's hard 107 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: to really put in words. You you know, I'm a 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: big energy guy, you know, so you feel the vibes 109 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: and you know he's a guy that you know, he's 110 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: cut from similar caughting, you know the same as you 111 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: guys like you know you see him coming right like 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: you know, he's he's a guy that he is who 113 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 3: he is. 114 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: He wears his emotions on his sleeve. 115 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he doesn't mind defending people because 116 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: he's out to tell the truth and to seek truth, 117 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: you know, and also his mindset from a standpoint of 118 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 3: wanting to maximize his potential, you know, and the potential. 119 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 4: Of everyone around him. 120 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: You know, like if he sees that you're not giving 121 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: one hundred percent effort, he gonna call you out on it. 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: And it don't matter who it is. And you know 123 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: again that it starts with him with setting the tone. 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: You know, he keeps guys honest, right because he's not 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: gonna let you walk in and just bullshit your way through, right, 126 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: Like he's gonna call you out and say, man, you 127 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: you know, we need more, you know, and uh, he 128 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: he holds. 129 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 4: Himself to that standard. And that's what leaders do. 130 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: And so uh he's been the leader, you know for 131 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: the warriors, you know, throughout that whole run. You know, 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: with him coming into that that light when David Lee 133 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: got injured, uh, stepping into that spot, you know, he 134 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: just he wore it on his sleeve and he wasn't, 135 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: you know, afraid to be front line. 136 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: You know. 137 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: So I think that's you know, it's the personality is 138 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: who he is, the mindset, but then also the skill too, 139 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: like you know, like his IQ is second to none, 140 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: Like he knows the games, he knows tendencies of the 141 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: other players, you know what they do well what. 142 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: They don't everyone in the league. 143 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: I mean it's it's I mean seriously, like guys that 144 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: you know, I don't even watch him, like yo, how 145 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: you notice you know it's like he barely play Bro, 146 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: but he he remembers plays. 147 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: It's just, you know, it's it's it's crazy. 148 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful mind. Yes, yes, s Dot. Where did 149 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: that nickname come from? When someone over here claims he 150 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: started it. 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: He definitely shouted out. 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know nobody was staying it before me. I 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: probably not being a razor, but I was the one. 154 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: You say it all the time on TV and everywhere. 155 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: One made it popular. 156 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: He had he had a speakerphone. 157 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: I was creating Dot. 158 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: He had the mic. Yes, I was, yes, sir, A 159 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: big fan. 160 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: I was a big fan Dot. 161 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: What not rookie year? Rookie year? 162 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: It was actually uh Corey mcghetty jumped it off back 163 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: in the day. I had the old rebox. You know, 164 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: slippers check out of high school. You know Clippers, Yes, sir, Clippers, 165 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: Clippers and uh the old reebox s Dot Carters jay 166 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: Z had the you know, the shoe line. So I 167 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: kept a pair of all whites on like air forces, 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: you know, and it just stuck those No, no, just 169 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: coming in the locker room, you know, s Dot you 170 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: know see what you got on. 171 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: That's back when the Clippers. That's back when the Clippers 172 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: really didn't have a locker room. 173 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we was day Southwest Community. 174 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, we're talking about that. Man. What was life 175 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: like growing up Peoria? 176 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: Mike Robinson from Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Mike Robinson, Man, I 177 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: grew up in a time actually where it was like 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: the Golden Age was a basketball around Illinois, especially Peoria. 179 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: Like my my o GS was around your age, Mike Robinson, 180 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: Frank Williams, A J. Goyton played a little you know, 181 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: a cup of coffee in the league. Uh, but our 182 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: true o G was Howard Nathan. I was just telling 183 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: one of the guys. He man, he was like the 184 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: guy all the swag. He was like, you know, uh 185 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: Wesley and New Jack City man, Like everybody wanted to 186 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: be like him. 187 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: You know he was. 188 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: He had you know, the hottest girl, the hottest car like, 189 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: but he was just like man on the court. He 190 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: was that guy. He was in y'all seen the movie Hoop, Yeah, 191 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: he was in. He was in that one putting arch 192 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 3: what's my guy? He uh he put him out the 193 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: state tournament he was went to Peoria Manual and uh, 194 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: he was just a legend. 195 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: Man. 196 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 4: So growing up watching him. 197 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: You know, obviously Mike and the Bulls was you know 198 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: whoever every standt Yeah what I'm saying that was the 199 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: gold standard. But high school basketball, man, it was big 200 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: in Illinois. You know, the original March madness, you know, 201 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: and we made our name going up to Chicago and 202 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: you know really uh, you know, showing our game. So 203 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: small town probably one hundred thousand people, you know, cornfields 204 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: on the outside, but you know, not sweet on inside. 205 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: It was a city. Yeah, it was a city segregated 206 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: like most cities. You had a good part up north 207 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: was a lot of the you know, wealthy folks live 208 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: in Southside below the hill what we called it. You know, 209 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: that was where a lot of a lot of poverty 210 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: was public schools. But man, I'm grateful for it because 211 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: It gave me humble beginnings, you know, uh, learn how 212 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: to grind blue collar city. 213 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 4: You know, you really earn what you get. You know, 214 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: nothing's given. 215 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: That was kind of the era that we grew up in, 216 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: you know, and they really didn't let you off the hook, 217 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: you know, even if you did have game. Coaches you know, 218 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: held you accountable. You know, run back on defense, you 219 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 3: know what, you pull you out the game like. So 220 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that because it'll you know, it humbled me. 221 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: You know, it never allowed me to get the big head, 222 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: even though I had a lot. 223 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: Of fanfare in high school. 224 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 3: But I grew up watching you know how it was 225 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: supposed to be done. 226 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 5: Your parents split at a young age. Where did basketball 227 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 5: and then pushed the basketball come from my pops. 228 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 4: It was pops. 229 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: He took over custody of me and he raised me, 230 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: him and my grandpa. And so I grew up in 231 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: a house household full of men, you know, no women around. 232 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: So it was just different, you know, uh, not a 233 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: lot of motion in there. 234 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 4: It was you know, like, yeah, go with your yeah, 235 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: you know so. 236 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: Which helped me because naturally I was more introverted, quiet, 237 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, you know, cool, just laid back, so it 238 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: was like, no, come on, let's go like just and 239 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: that helped, you know, really harden me, just you know, 240 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: being more competitive on the court, being able to go 241 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: back at guys, being able to you know, stand up 242 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: on my own, and you know at school. And it 243 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: was I was I was grateful for that. And my 244 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 3: dad really showed me the way. I don't know where 245 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: he got it from, but man, you know, taking me 246 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: around to camp after camp, you know, uh, it was 247 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: almost like I mean, he had he had the vision, 248 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: you know, like, look, that's what we're gonna do. You know, 249 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: you're gonna go to school and we're gonna go practice. Right, 250 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: I played baseball, We're gonna go play catch. You know, 251 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: you want to be great, you want to play, you 252 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: want to be MJ. Penny Hardaway. You got to put 253 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: the work in. Come on, let's go. So I was 254 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: grateful to have that, you know, that direction, you know 255 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, so I empathize for guys who. 256 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 4: Don't have that direction. 257 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: Don't judge, you know, don't judge a book by his 258 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: cover because you don't know what he went through, what 259 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: he didn't have, the lack of resources, right, usually that's 260 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's what makes you and what builds you. 261 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: But you know a lot of people break under that. 262 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 3: So I'm grateful to my dad, you know what I'm saying, 263 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: for forgiving me that I wasn't always grateful, right, you know, like, man, 264 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to do this while I'm doing this, 265 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 3: you know, just you know, working too hard, you overwork, 266 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: You're pushing me, right, And. 267 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: What age is that? 268 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: Not to cut you off because I'm a dad with 269 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: teenage boys and try to find that fun line. And 270 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: what age do you feel like it switched to? Like damn, 271 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: I have to do this to I want to do this? 272 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Yes? What was that? 273 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: Yes? 274 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: Man, To be honest with you, Matt, it was probably 275 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: probably like I did it early. 276 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: Then I got burnt out, you know what I'm saying. 277 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: I got burnt out. 278 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: By the time I got in high school, you know, 279 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: start you know, liking other things. So just life, man, 280 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: and you know, just running with some of the wrong 281 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: crowds sometimes, and you know, wanted to do other things 282 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: other than kind of what got me, you know, the 283 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: recognition and what got me to people knowing my name 284 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: and everything else. The work that I was putting in 285 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: as a young kid, so I was I was ahead 286 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: of the game, got burnt out, and then my first 287 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: two years struggled, went to you know high school struggle, 288 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: you know, getting kicked out of practice. Uh, just butted 289 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: heads with the coach. And then just I wanted to quit, 290 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: so I quit. They talked me to going back on 291 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: the team, and then sophomore year transferred schools grew three 292 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: four inches. 293 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 4: And then it was just yeah, it was like, man, 294 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: I went to the. 295 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: Circuit ABCD camp, got invited, you know, went to a 296 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: I went to so if you AU tournaments before then 297 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: put On got the invitation of ABCD, and then it 298 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 3: was on from there. 299 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 5: Two thousand and four, mister basketball, straight out of high school? 300 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: How did that decision come about? 301 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: Man, I couldn't top top seven, top five. I told myself, 302 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: if I'm not top ten, I want. 303 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: To go to college. 304 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: Because I was probably one hundred and sixty pounds, so well, 305 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: you know, it looked like twelve years old out here, 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: you know, like many. 307 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: Yeah I did that, so I look older. 308 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: Just it was you know, like I knew that I 309 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: needed to mature physically. 310 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: I knew I knew that. 311 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: Was signed to go to Duke play for coach k 312 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: get up and down showcase myself. But man, you know, 313 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: towards my high school season, I'm looking in the crowd, 314 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: I'm seeing Chris Mullen, I'm seeing John Packson. 315 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: Like, man, they I. 316 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: Know them, like they I watched them, you know, I 317 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: watched them play. They Oh they worked for some day 318 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: the GM with the Bulls and the Warriors. Wow, it's real. 319 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: So you know, it started getting real. And then did 320 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: the McDonald's All American Game, did Round Ball Classic, which 321 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: was Sonny for Carl's Game. Man, it's just the buzz 322 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: started building up mock drafts and I did one workout. 323 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Went. 324 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: I was going to Chicago at the time, working out 325 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: Tim Grover his gym. 326 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: He had a gym called Hoops. 327 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: He was rented out and you know, guys would come 328 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: back and play. And so during this during pre draft 329 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: around this time, I do one workout. I didn't hire 330 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: an agent. He put me through the workout. It was 331 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: thirty scout thirty NBA GMS. Steve Kurr was there. He 332 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: told me about the story. Like after that, Tim Grover 333 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: walked up to me, he said, man, and Alanta Hawk said, 334 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: you're not you're not going past seven. 335 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: They take us seven. Said, shit, I gotta I gotta. 336 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: Go there because I mean, just the chances of you know, 337 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: getting hurt, getting injured, which I dealt with, you know 338 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: my first couple of years in the league. 339 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, it just made too much sense. 340 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 2: Eighteen years old, LA. What was your first impression of LA? 341 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: You talk about small town? 342 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, my first walk on Vence Beach was crazy. 343 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: It was like, you know, seeing some of the things 344 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: I saw out there, it was different. 345 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. It was just different. 346 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: So you know, but it was actually for me, it 347 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: was it was just you know, it was kind of 348 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: cool to see because, like I said, coming from where 349 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: I'm from, it's very segregated small town vibes, and you know, 350 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 3: you get some of those you know, underlying conditions of 351 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: you know whatever it may be bigotry, racism, things like that. 352 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: So you know, coming out to coming out to LA 353 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: and just you know, seeing the vibes. Everybody messed with 354 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: each other. You know, it was the diversity, you know, 355 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 3: it was like a big melting pot. So my first 356 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: walk on Venice Beach was cool, just seeing you know, 357 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: obviously seeing that much water I've never seen before. And 358 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: then just you know, just seeing the vibes out there. 359 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: You know, I was kicking it. Yeah, yeah, a lot 360 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: of vibes, a lot of vibes, all of it, all 361 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: of it. 362 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: It was just but it was in the open hold 363 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: on this two thousand and four. 364 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: Different Any Donald Sterling stories, white party stories, anything, what 365 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: you got for us. 366 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: I wasn't invited to the white parties. Yeah, yeah, you 367 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: know so, but no, it was it was It was 368 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: definitely different. It was something different going on there. I 369 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: just I remember being in the locker room and just 370 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: you know, him always bringing his friends back there. Weird, right, 371 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 3: you know, and one time it is just you know, 372 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: just man being you know, it's like Mugg's in the 373 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: locker room, people going back and forth to the shower 374 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: and you know, like he was just lingering around back there, 375 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: and you know. 376 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 4: It's watching. Yeah, it was just like, man, it was weird. 377 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 4: It was weird. 378 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: It was weird, super weird. That's all I was saying. 379 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 3: It was weird to me, weird. So I just I 380 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 3: didn't know how to take that, you know, nineteen twenty years. 381 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 2: Old, Like what the fuck with all owners and you're 382 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: watching Dick crazy since all the teams do it. 383 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: Man, Yeah it was, it was, Yeah, it was. It 384 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: was weird a little different. 385 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: But talked to us early too. 386 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: I mean we laugh and joked, but I was there 387 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: two years before you got there and then got up 388 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: out of there. But that team didn't have a practice facility. 389 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: We practiced south by Southwest US. Definitely the back door open, 390 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: so people didn't break into your cars, like there was 391 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: no shower like talk to us about because again you're thinking, NBA, 392 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm a number four pick in the draft. 393 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: This is a it was almost to step down. 394 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: Yes, it was a step down. It was a step 395 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: down to crazy. So I mean, I just I didn't 396 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: know what to expect. I just expected better know what 397 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 3: I'm saying. And it's just you know, our first practice 398 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: being at again, we was at Southwest Community College and 399 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: then uh just I remember one of the guys they 400 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: got their car broken into during practice. 401 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: Bro practice, so it was just breaking your car, it was. 402 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: It was it was just wild that, you know, we 403 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: were going through that, and then you know we finished practice. 404 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: You know, we're on pretty much like. 405 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: One side of the gym, you know, and then Uh, 406 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 3: we finished practice. We go in the locker room and 407 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: here come to the football team in there. You know 408 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: you kind of I'm like, no, I am and take 409 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: the shower pill take into the crib like huh. It's 410 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: just it was. It was, you know, it was rough. 411 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: It was rough because I think it back. I try 412 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: to you know, I don't focus on the past and 413 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: everything else, but just like what what would be of 414 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: those teams if they had the resources? 415 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 4: Right? 416 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: There was a lot of in. 417 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 3: The direction you know that young guys need when you 418 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: come in the league. I mean it matters, you know, 419 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 3: I don't care who you are, it matters. So uh 420 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: started out there. Then we upgraded. Actually Mike Dunleavy junior 421 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: senior came in and he was able to get us 422 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 3: over to the Spectrum Health Club. 423 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: You go a football team, you know, so we cover. 424 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: Man. 425 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: It was crazy. 426 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: Who were some of the some of your early vets though, 427 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: because although they were vets, they were young. 428 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: Elton Brand, Corey mcgetty, Uh, Bobby Simmons, you know, Chicago guy. 429 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: I was tight with q Rich. He ended up leaving 430 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: going to Phoenix. But that was you know, that was 431 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: kind of like my big homie at the time. And 432 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: then uh my second year Sam, Sam came in the 433 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: cat the Tino Mobile. 434 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: Chris Brayman, I mean Cayman, Yeah, he did. 435 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: He was someone that was scared of water and showers 436 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: and tooth brushes, but came in had game. 437 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 4: He did. He did. He came in a year before me. 438 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 3: But again, come from the Midwest, you know, country dude, 439 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: you know, Central Michigan. Uh, it was just you know, 440 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: he's kind of out of his environment a little bit, 441 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: you know, and just making it work. 442 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 4: Like I remember this dude, he had a paintball. 443 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: Uh, he got a paintball little arena in his basement. 444 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying of his crib. 445 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: Though, Like I'm like, man, what I mean, that's just 446 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: you know, like he was just kind of backwoods like. 447 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: That second season forty seven wins, good young core, first 448 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: winning season fifteen years, lose to the Suns in the 449 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: in the first round in seven games. What was your 450 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: first taste of the playoffs? 451 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: Man? 452 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: It was addicting. 453 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: It was addicting for real, Like, uh, that's what I 454 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: expected of the NBA, you know when I first got in. 455 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 4: Uh, what surprised me was how. 456 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: Normal losing was to guys, you know what I'm saying, 457 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: because there's so many games and it hit me hard, 458 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: you know, my first year because I'm like, man, we lost, 459 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: like I'm I'm coming from winning two state championships. We 460 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: went in all the time like you know, just that 461 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 3: that's I played the game to win, like that was 462 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: my mentality. So you know, but obviously you know you 463 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: got to have amnesia and so but man, that that 464 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: first trip to the playoffs, I'm like, yes, this is 465 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: it like this where you know, this where we belong, 466 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: This where I belong bat Denver that year they had 467 00:23:53,359 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 3: mellow Andre Miller Kenyam Martin talented team. George Carl's team 468 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 3: beat them in the first round I think like five games, and. 469 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: Then you wasn't on that team. Julina might have. 470 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: Been yep six O six yeah, and then lost the 471 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: lost to Phoenix seven games. 472 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 4: Rajah Bell hit a corner three. 473 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: Accident, man, he said accidents what I said, man, And 474 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 3: then just you know, we was about to go up 475 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: three two and uh they beat a stubble overtime game 476 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: five and ended up closing it out at home game seven. 477 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: But just the experience if you haven't been there. It's 478 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: hard to talk about it. It's hard to know how 479 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: to win, you know, it's hard to know what to 480 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: do when when it get tight, you know, playing on 481 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: the road, you know, like what's that like going in 482 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: was you against the world? Mentality? Like that's you know, 483 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 3: until you actually go through the fire. It's hard to 484 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 3: talk about, you know what it's like. 485 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: Right, But you're a young player too. Steve Nash is 486 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: one of your favorite players growing up? Yeah, and you 487 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: get a chance to see him in the playoffs? 488 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: What was that like? Oh? 489 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what. 490 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: Steve Nash was the person who surprised me the most. 491 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 3: I knew nothing about him growing up, Like you know, like, uh, 492 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: my favorite player was Penny you know what I'm saying. 493 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: Penny Grant Hill, Uh, you know those those were some 494 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: of my favorite players. 495 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 496 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: My first year I got the the Clippers, we had 497 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: to play we had to play Phoenix like six or 498 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: seven times. The first person who surprised me was Joe Johnson. 499 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, who is this and why have I never 500 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: heard of him? 501 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: That's the only person never really couldn't my whole career. 502 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: Like why why isn't he not featured, Like, why don't 503 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: we know who he is? But this was like again 504 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: his fourth year, he playing his role. But Steve, that 505 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: was his first MVP year And uh, man, just I'm 506 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: just like, man, who just this? Why nobody told me 507 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: this guy was this good shooting you know, three pointers, 508 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: coming down three on one fast break. Just you know, 509 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: it's like he was doing a lot of the things 510 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: that you see Steph doing. You see a lot of 511 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: guys doing. He was doing that back then. 512 00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: Uh. 513 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 3: But what attracted me the most is his energy. What 514 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: you know, how he built everybody up around him and 515 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 3: gave them empowered them, you know, like he he slapped 516 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: high fives with everybody coming and on the court, going 517 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: off the court, like he kept you engaged, like. 518 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 4: Man, I belong. 519 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 3: You know, you never know, you know when you may 520 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: need a guy, and you just saw how he was 521 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: the spirit of that team, you know, like when they 522 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: was winning going you know, and plus his skill, you know, 523 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: man shooting left hand, left hand hook shots, and you know, like, man, 524 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: he shouldn't be this skilled, but he can barely run 525 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: up and down like you know, he ain't the most 526 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: athletic guy, right, And so I just respected how he 527 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 3: was able to affect the game without you know, taking 528 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 3: all the shots, without hogging all the you know, all 529 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: the basketballs, and uh, you know, he wasn't necessarily a 530 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 3: you know, a killer right on the court like you know, 531 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: Mike and Kobe they projected at you know what I'm saying, 532 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: like that fear, but he his was a little bit 533 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: more internal, you know, it was more kind of uplifting, like, 534 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: you know, I'm in power, guys, I'm you know, I'm 535 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: gonna stay positive. 536 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 5: Year three, you go through some through probably the most 537 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 5: difficult moment in your career, your knee injury. 538 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: You end up missing two years. 539 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 5: Me and you had many conversations about this because you know, 540 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 5: I've always wanted to talk to you about it. But 541 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 5: for people that don't know, how hard was it in 542 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 5: and mentally? What did that do to you? You know, 543 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: trying to be able to come back from that, man. 544 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's man. That's it man. It's the it is. 545 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: It is the mental journey, because it really take a 546 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: piece of your soul from from fighting the injuries. Uh, 547 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: you know, like the love of the game. You know, 548 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: sometimes you know when you could just wake up and hoop, 549 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: you know, you take it for granted. You know what 550 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like you you just wake up and just 551 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: go hoop. You know, it could do that all day. 552 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: We used to ride around looking for basketball games. So 553 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: like I loved the game, you know, like study the game, 554 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 3: watched all you know, watch y'all come up, and you know, 555 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 3: watched a lot of the old heads come up. 556 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: You know, kind of was a student of the game. 557 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: And then you know, just going through the injury process, 558 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: it's the mental hurdle of you know, having to fight yourself. 559 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: You know, have to battle yourself because you're not playing 560 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: against nobody. You know, I didn't touch the court for 561 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 3: about you know, eight months, you know, so. 562 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: Talk to us. 563 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: Not to cut you off, but what exactly did you 564 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: tear and how back? Because this was a horrible knee injury. 565 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I dislocated my knee, my my femur tibia, 566 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: uh toward three of the four of my ligaments, uh 567 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: toward three out of four of my ligaments and my 568 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 3: knee and yeah, man. 569 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: Just it was it was a whole day. 570 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: They basically compared it to a car crash, so you 571 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: know that's you know, it's like a skiers you know, 572 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: like you skin a lot of a lot of skiers 573 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: have that type of accident dislocations. Uh, but I you know, 574 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 3: I was just so skinny man, and you know, one 575 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: came down the wrong way and it just basically exploded. 576 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: And so, you know the hardest part was getting through 577 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: you know, the hospital. That whole situation, you know, is 578 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 3: my my knees, my leg gonna be okay. And of 579 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: course they was talking about the whole uh you know, 580 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: amputation and all that. They do that around early because 581 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: of the you know, blood flow and all that. Once 582 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: that was good, Okay, I'm out the woods. Now what's 583 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: the timeline? 584 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: All right? 585 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: Nobody else has done this? So what's the timeline? You 586 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: know who's done? You know who can I bounce it 587 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: off of? What's the blueprint? Doctors don't have nothing. They 588 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: ain't give me nothing. So how am I supposed to 589 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: know when I'm actually able to come back? Where am 590 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: I tracking at right? Where am I head of schedule 591 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: and my behind schedule? Where you know, where am I at? 592 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: All the questions you had needed answered at as a 593 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: young kid. 594 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: The doctors don't even have the answer. 595 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: They have it, they they have it. It was like 596 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: you know about it. They just gave me a year, 597 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: you know about a year you should you know, that's 598 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: kind of give or take. That's the timeline. But it 599 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: it's just the mental process of again trusting yourself because 600 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: uh you know, for me, like some guys, you know, 601 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: they you boring, you know, born with a lot of confidence, 602 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: born with you know that that that ultimate belief you know, 603 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: For me, like I got that through working, you know, 604 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: through putting in the work practice, you know, playing and 605 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: when I couldn't do that on the court, you know, 606 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: it's like you got. 607 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 4: To build that back. 608 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 3: You have to build that belief system back in yourself. 609 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: And it was it was just a struggle man physically 610 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: not the same person, uh man having to ice your knee. 611 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: You know. 612 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: I was icing my knee five six times a day 613 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: when I came back, you know, playing in the G League, 614 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 3: you know, icing my knees between halftime, like you know, 615 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: just trying to get to swelling down. Just all the 616 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: little things that you know, people that you had an 617 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 3: injury before you got to go through. But for me, 618 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 3: I just didn't have a blueprint to follow. I'm so young, 619 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: you know, and I mean just the timing of it all. 620 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this I'm supposed to be on a 621 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: whole different wave right now, you know, in my mind. 622 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: But you know that was my reality. So, uh, the 623 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: faster that I accepted my reality and put it behind me, 624 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: you know, the more I could get get to it. 625 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: How long did it take you to feel like yourself 626 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: again once you got on the court? Man, That's the 627 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: people to understand is that that you could talk to 628 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: the mental side. But it's really that mental side of 629 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: trusting that need again. 630 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, trusting it. That's right, That's absolutely right. 631 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: It was probably about man, probably I say about five years. 632 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: Five years, can you imagine that? 633 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: So, I mean that's that's about the time we was 634 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: Charlotte Milwaukee. I mean when I got with Jack and Charlotte, 635 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: that was the first time that I played all the 636 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 3: way through the season, you know, like without any complications 637 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: to my need. 638 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 4: I missed a few games, but you still was. 639 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: On top of it every day with that Still he 640 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: was on top of it. 641 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 4: Had to had to. 642 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it was it wasn't like it was mandatory 643 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: because if I didn't do it, you know, it was 644 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: like just the the regression that I was going to 645 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: have was just you know, again not being able to play, 646 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: not being able to get up and down the court, 647 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: and I was barely able to maintain like I was 648 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: a fringe NBA player at that point, trying to call 649 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: my way back in the league and stay on the 650 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 3: roster and you know, show a team that you know 651 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: I can contribute and in a certain type of way. 652 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: Where before that, you know, it was here go the ball, 653 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: I'm saying, run the team, brace to sleeve to nothing. 654 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: That's right, you know what I'm saying. That's how I 655 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: Gradually I was right there with him. 656 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 4: That's right. 657 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: And then the first you know, having to wear the brace. 658 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: I mean that was like a whole leg on top 659 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: of my legs. So just you know, again just having 660 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: to adjust. You got to adjust your mindset. You got 661 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: to humble yourself, you know. Uh that was That's the 662 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: hardest part of it. And then you got to persevere. 663 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: You know, like the biggest thing you know at the 664 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 3: time was just like, man, can't feel sorry yourself at 665 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: the end of the days. It is what it is. 666 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 3: You got to bounce back and once you get between 667 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: them lines, nobody else is feeling sorry for you. 668 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 4: Bro. 669 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: You got they coming for that, get him he he. 670 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: Here go to weeks like, yeah, we're gonna run every 671 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: play at him. So uh So for me, it was 672 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 3: just like, you know, I didn't want to use that 673 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 3: as a crutch, as an excuse. Everybody knew what happened 674 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: the story, but you know, at the end of the day, 675 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: it was just about, you know, get in where you 676 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 3: fit in. 677 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 5: How good did it feel for you to be there 678 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 5: for Clay? He went through a tough injury stretch and 679 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 5: to have you there for him to that's right. Experience 680 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 5: is the best teacher. 681 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: He mentioned you on his recovery process and and words 682 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: you were giving him. 683 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 3: Man, that's a great question, Jack, because man, Clay actually, uh, 684 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: when we played in Oakland, it's my neighbor. I'm talking 685 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: about four houses down. We called it the fry House, 686 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: you know, so he was, uh, you know, like he 687 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 3: was right right next door. So I used to get 688 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 3: him a ride after after the games. This when he's out, 689 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 3: he's in the boot and uh, you know he's out 690 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: the whole year, but uh, you know it's killing him, 691 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 3: it's killing him. You know, the team's up and down 692 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: that year. I think we had just missed Uh, missed 693 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 3: the playoffs, lost in the you know, playing Yeah, and uh, man, 694 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 3: it was just killing him because you know, he's an 695 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: ultimate competitor. I mean, Clay might be one of the 696 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: most competitive guys for real, and people say that, but 697 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 3: like you know, when you play with a guy like 698 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: how he take you know, how how he take his 699 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 3: his role, how he take the game? Do he take 700 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 3: it serious? You know, how's a losing affect him? You 701 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 3: know when he played bad? How so you see all 702 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: that and you know what cut you know what it 703 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: means to him. But for me to be able to 704 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: share my experience with him what I went through at 705 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 3: a young age. H Clay being from l A his dad, 706 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: you know, obviously with the Lakers. I mean he grew 707 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: up watching people out here, you know. Uh, and I 708 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 3: played for the Clippers, so he knew kind of my story. 709 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 3: So I could kind of speak truth to light, you know, 710 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 3: and he knew that it wasn't just coming from a 711 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 3: place where I just want a lecture, you know, or 712 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 3: just tell him, Oh, it's gonna be all right, man, 713 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: you know, like no, some days it's not all right. 714 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: You know it's not. But just know it's coming from 715 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 3: a good place. It's coming from a place where you're 716 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: competitive and you want to you want to be out 717 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: there because you know what you can contribute. 718 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 5: Uh. 719 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 4: And man, he was coming off of twenty nineteen where 720 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 4: that was probably his best year. 721 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: That was one of his best years, Like you know 722 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 3: that finals, I mean, really carrying the load. 723 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 4: KD went down, So. 724 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: You know, he had a lot, a lot of expectation 725 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: of himself and it was it was it was a 726 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: struggle for him. But I'm proud of the way that 727 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 3: he bounced back because even coming back, you know, people 728 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 3: kind of you know, he's not the same Clay and 729 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: he's not you know, it's like, you know. 730 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 4: It's it's hard to deal with as a player. 731 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: You know when people talk about you and you know 732 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 3: how much you know that you put into you know, 733 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 3: your craft and the game, you know what it means 734 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 3: to you. It feel like they slandering you. You know, like, man, 735 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 3: put some respect on my name, right, right. But you know, 736 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like for him to 737 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's about how you respond, right, And I 738 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 3: mean you see what he's been able to do this year. 739 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's up and down, like everybody, But 740 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's like man Clay will be there. To me, 741 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 3: he's been one of the guys that's gonna be there 742 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: when you need him, you know what I'm saying. Even 743 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 3: and if you know, if he does have a bad game, 744 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 3: like he gonna leave it on the line right right, 745 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 3: Like he's not just gonna disappear. 746 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: He's gonna leave all the bullets on the court. They 747 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: may not go in, but the whole clip. Yeah, that's 748 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 2: what you want through from especially for when your. 749 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 5: Best scores right twenty twenty fourteen, you play with ten 750 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 5: different teams. 751 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: We played together in Charlotte. I always tell people all. 752 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 5: The time, if you want to ask how good I was, 753 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 5: ask Baron Davis, ask Jamal Crawford, ask Sean Lives because 754 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 5: they are three people that always was in my ear 755 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 5: when I played with them, to let me know how 756 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 5: good I was. But how difficult wasn't for you that time? 757 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 5: Knowing that you already had a rough start. You know 758 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, You deserve to play. You was trying 759 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 5: to figure out I was just being bounced around, getting 760 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 5: waved four times. 761 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: I've been through it, But what was your ministate going through? 762 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 763 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 3: Like I said, I was on the outside looking in. 764 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 3: I was trying to really cement myself back in the league. 765 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 3: So I was bouncing around a lot of teams at 766 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 3: the time. And I think then, y'all just the Charlotte 767 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: just went to the playoffs. 768 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: Year before, Yes, ye, Orlando, right then they swept. 769 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. 770 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: So just coming off that year, it was a lot 771 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 3: of expectations Charlotte, like, man, we you know, we're coming 772 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 3: that That was the vibe, that was the energy, you know, 773 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 3: and it started kind of when you got there, right like, uh, 774 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 3: just giving him that confidence and that swag. 775 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 5: Uh. 776 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 3: Jerald Wallace at the time was an All star, you know, 777 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 3: So I mean it was just a lot of buzz. 778 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 3: So for me, Raymond Felton has just left to New 779 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: York and so kind of the starting job was kind 780 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 3: of up in the air. And I remember I was 781 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 3: still going through, you know, my struggles with my physically, 782 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 3: you know, my knee injury, just kind of swelling and 783 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 3: all that, so just not being able to be myself. 784 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 3: But it was just like man, go you know, like 785 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 3: go after it. And then uh we got Larry Brown. 786 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: That was he loved you. 787 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 4: That was. That was so he was. 788 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 3: One of the guys that helped bring me there, and 789 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 3: he was that was an experience, you know, going through 790 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 3: it with him because man, just you know, I was 791 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 3: a new guy and I'm like, man, this team just 792 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 3: went to the playoffs last year, right, and then we 793 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 3: started out you know rough. 794 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: It was rough, and I was like this how it 795 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: was because he was Larry Brown knew that here on 796 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: his way out. 797 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, he was on his way out, right, was 798 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: on his way in. 799 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. 800 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 3: And then midway through the season, we had a coaching change. 801 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 3: Paul Silas came in and. 802 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: The whole different crew. 803 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, that's right. It was. 804 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 3: It was like a lineup change, just five in, five out. 805 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 4: Substitutions, and it was it was. 806 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 3: It was wild, but we kind of found our footing, 807 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 3: you know, we uh picked up you know, picked up 808 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 3: some steam and I just you know, like I just 809 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: always you know, that's why, man, at the end of 810 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 3: the day, for me, like I always tell people you 811 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 3: my top one of my top three teammates, because it's like, man, 812 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 3: the battery that you put in that team's back, right, 813 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 3: Like you see it from that standpoint of it's like 814 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 3: when certain people like you know, Draymond has some of 815 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 3: that energy. It's like when you you come in, you 816 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 3: you know, you feel that person in the gym, right, 817 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 3: and it's one thing to talk it, but it's another 818 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 3: to show it up and back it up. 819 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 4: And I think you know, you. 820 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 3: Could see, you know, with the players that was there, 821 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 3: you know, guys DJ, Augustine and some of the other players, 822 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 3: like they move with a different swag, you know, like 823 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 3: especially when you was on the court, right, and so 824 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 3: it was just keeping you on the court, you know, 825 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 3: facts right, And uh. 826 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: That was the hardest thing. Yeah, yes, job in itself. 827 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 4: That's how you know. 828 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 3: You know, I remember a timeh MJ came in and 829 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 3: he practiced with us. 830 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 4: Yeah remember that story, and uh served. 831 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 3: Us, yeah, man, And I was on his team actually, 832 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 3: and it was just like wow, because I was you know, 833 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 3: I was on the were the bench team, and they 834 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 3: was the starterst was going there and they going back 835 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 3: and forth and you know, Mike cussing him out, Jack 836 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 3: cussing him, Mike, I'm like cussing him damn. 837 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 4: You know, it's just you know, it was new to me. 838 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: Again, but uh, what the teams though, again just just 839 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 3: the confidence, right, It's like we're not backing down from anybody. 840 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 3: We we belong and to me, I think as a 841 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 3: as a player, that's the journey that I talked about 842 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 3: when you first get into the NBA. 843 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 4: It's like you got to establish yourself. 844 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 3: You got to like make your way because, uh, it's 845 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 3: not given. You know, it's it's not given. I mean, 846 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 3: I think certain certain players get opportunities maybe that you know, 847 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: may or may not deserve it, but you know, for 848 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 3: the most part, like when it comes down to winning, 849 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 3: especially at the highest level, I mean, the best player 850 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: is going to play and it's usually the players that 851 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: earned that. So you got to have that ultimate confidence 852 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 3: at all times, especially if you want to win at 853 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: the highest level. 854 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 2: Fourteen, you laying with the Warriors. How did that happen? 855 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 3: Oh Man, Bob Myers, Jerry West, Steve Kerr. You know, 856 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 3: they they sought me out. Twenty fourteen. Had a good 857 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 3: year with Brooklyn, played with them. You know, that's probably 858 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 3: my best year after post injury. Played like about seventy games, 859 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 3: so I was healthy, played in the playoffs, and then 860 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 3: we got to the second Yeah, got to the second 861 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 3: round loss of the Heat, which they lost the Spurs 862 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 3: that year, and then man, the Warriors was right there. 863 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 4: You know, like they was going back and forth with 864 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 4: the Clippers. 865 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 3: You know, like like y'all was kind of big bro 866 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 3: at the time, and you know, y'all y'all had to 867 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 3: experience more established players than guys, but they was next. 868 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 4: They was kind of next up. 869 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 3: They had, you know, a young nucleus, you know, and 870 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 3: at the time, it was just you know, for me, 871 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 3: what it came down to, it was like, I just 872 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 3: want to be in a competitive environment. You know, I 873 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 3: had been on a lot of losing teams trying to 874 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 3: make it back in the NBA, and I'm grateful for 875 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 3: that opportunity because that gave me the platform and a 876 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: chance to play. But man, it's rough. It's rough, you know, 877 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 3: losing losing like that. You know, you know, as a player, 878 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 3: I always wanted to win. So I just wanted to 879 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 3: be in a competitive environment. They had just went to 880 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 3: the playoffs in the first round, so you know, I 881 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 3: knew they kind of had that experience and was looking 882 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 3: to get over the hump, and man, I wanted to 883 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 3: be a part of that. 884 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 2: You guys, first year sixty seven and fifteen steph one MVP. 885 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 2: Was that the first time you first unanimous MVP in 886 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 2: league history? Like you said, you were just looking to 887 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 2: be competitive. Did you know that motherfucker is gonna be 888 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 2: that good? 889 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna be that good. 890 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 3: No, no, no way. I mean he was already he 891 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 3: was climbing, he was descending like he was. There was 892 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 3: no doubt about it. Like the two playoffs that he 893 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 3: had obviously a year before they played, y'all, they got 894 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 3: to the second round, and so he was able to 895 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 3: kind of show, you know, like man, it's like he's 896 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 3: on his way. But I mean to say that we 897 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 3: all knew he was going to be at this level. 898 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: You know, I don't think anybody expected that. No, none 899 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,919 Speaker 3: of us expected to win a championship our first year. 900 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 3: That wasn't the mentality. It's like, let's get to the 901 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 3: playoffs and you know, let's make our mark. That was 902 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 3: kind of the mindset. 903 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 4: But I I just. 904 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 3: Remember that year. You know, I start out hurt again. 905 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 3: I broke my toe, so I was out like the 906 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 3: first all training camp. Came back the beginning of the season, 907 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 3: and these dudes they rolling, I'm talking about you know 908 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 3: they get off fifteen and two, sixteen and two. I'm like, damn, 909 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 3: I ain't never went sixteen and two before, Like you know, 910 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 3: this is this team actually all right? And so but 911 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 3: I was wasn't contributing like I knew I could contribute, 912 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 3: you know, like I was coming off a career year 913 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, and I'm very I'm playing like you know, 914 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 3: real backup minutes, you know, ten twelve minutes a game, 915 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,479 Speaker 3: you know, coming in for a breather type. So I'm like, man, 916 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 3: you know I want to play more like I got to. 917 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 3: And so I started, you know, getting myself into shape, 918 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, started healing up. Then by January started playing better, 919 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 3: and I mean by that time, we got the best. 920 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 4: Record in the league. 921 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 3: Draymond is starting lineup, you know, like he kind of 922 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 3: you know, he doing his thing. 923 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 4: Splash bros. 924 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 3: Is you know, they taken off and you know Steph's 925 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 3: got all this MVP chatter, and it's like, damn, like 926 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 3: we could we we might have a chance to win 927 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 3: this thing. You know, like you know, you've been on 928 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 3: teams where you know you hit them stretches in the 929 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 3: regular season, like yo, we rolling right now, and we 930 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 3: ain't just rolling, rolling. 931 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: Over, rolling over people. 932 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so like we you know, we might be 933 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 3: one of the best teams out here, and we think 934 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 3: we had that. 935 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,360 Speaker 2: Bob Myers went on record saying, here, pre share the 936 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 2: championship the most for you. When you think about your journey, 937 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 2: jumping straight out of high school, franchise player, that's what 938 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: That's what the Clippers envisioned you in. You know, terrible injury, 939 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 2: bounce around. You're looking for a role and you weren't 940 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 2: even a role player. You're just looking for a role 941 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 2: to play. You land on this team, find your footing, 942 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, midway through the season, and you get a 943 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 2: chance to you know, feel that confetti come down in 944 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 2: that champagne spray on you. Like, what was did the 945 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 2: journey flash? Were you in the moment? What were you 946 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 2: first thinking? 947 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 3: Man I was in the moment, But the first thing 948 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 3: I thought, I'm like, man I deserve this. 949 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, Like that's. 950 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 3: That's how it felt like I deserve it, you know, 951 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 3: like all the man it is, you know, it's the journey. 952 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 4: It's all the bs you got to go. 953 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 3: Through and listen to people talk about, you know, stuff 954 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 3: they don't know. He ain't that he can't do that, 955 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 3: he can't do this, can't do that. So you know, 956 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,760 Speaker 3: it's again for me, like I felt validated in that way. 957 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 4: I think we all did. You know obviously. 958 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 3: That that twenty fifteen that Calves team, they ask some injuries, 959 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 3: you know, but at the end of the day, you 960 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 3: play who was in front of you, right, you know, 961 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 3: And so that's that's how we felt about it. And 962 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 3: you know, man like when we lift that trophy up, 963 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 3: you know, it was worth it. It was worth all the grind, 964 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 3: it was worth all the work, the hustle, bouncing, all 965 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 3: them different teams, all the rehab, you know, all the 966 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 3: coaches that you know I didn't like, played for it, 967 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 3: did the right thing right, said the right thing, didn't 968 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 3: you know, burn no bridges like all, you know, just 969 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 3: trying to trying to make the right decisions throughout all 970 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 3: the way through. Then you get to that finish line, 971 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 3: you're like, yep, this this is it. This, this, this 972 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 3: is it. This is good. 973 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 2: We had Clay on the show earlier in the season. 974 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 2: He said the three greatest shots in NBA history are 975 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's turnaround, Kareem Skyhook, and Sean Livins didn't mid range? Bro, 976 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 2: what's the secret to your mid range shots? 977 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 4: On the internet? Man? 978 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: And jump eight feet off the ground shooting the mid range? 979 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:03,839 Speaker 4: Man? 980 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 2: Where did you get that from? Because you would never 981 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 2: So this is what you think about. I mean this, 982 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 2: this team is not necessarily your style. Looks like like 983 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 2: they launched threes and run up and down and that 984 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily your game no more. But you've created such 985 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 2: an important niche on this team. But where did that 986 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 2: that mid range they used to post them up? I 987 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 2: was there, I seen it. It was that was used 988 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 2: to post them up. My bapple got yous on that team. 989 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's all I said. 990 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,479 Speaker 1: Though I forgot you was on the team. 991 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,359 Speaker 2: I forgot I was on the team. 992 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 4: He can't let me Joe go. 993 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,720 Speaker 1: He got to kill hisself. 994 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 3: Jump Yeah, reverse man. Probably that was always my game. 995 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 3: I was never a range shooter. Uh, you know, even 996 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 3: coming in the league, that was kind of my achilles 997 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 3: hell working on the jump shot stress, you know, being 998 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 3: able to stretch the court. You know, it was starting 999 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 3: to expand to that, you know, through my injury. And 1000 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 3: then once once my injury came, it was like, man, 1001 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 3: how am I going to be effective on the court. 1002 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, focus on your strengths 1003 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, things that you're 1004 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 3: not good at just you know, like, man, just stay 1005 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 3: away from those or lead, you know. So I was 1006 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 3: basically you know, staying in my sweet spots and and 1007 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 3: finding a way to affect the game being a threat 1008 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 3: on the court. How can I be a threat on 1009 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,479 Speaker 3: the court? And for me, it was making defenses pay, 1010 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 3: you know, because I wasn't on the top of the 1011 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 3: scouting report, you know, I was you know, that was 1012 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 3: you know, that was the main guys. But it's how 1013 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 3: shacks say to others, you know, like that's you know, 1014 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 3: that's what ends up you know, winning playoff games and 1015 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 3: championships and things that nature, because you need those guys. 1016 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 3: You know, when you you out there that that low 1017 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 3: get heavy. You know, you're trying trying to score thirty 1018 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 3: forty you know, seven game series. 1019 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 4: So I knew that I could create, you know, a lane. 1020 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 3: And then also my basketball mind, I always had a 1021 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 3: you know, a knack for the game, just i Q 1022 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,359 Speaker 3: knowing you know, where the ball is supposed to go, right, 1023 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 3: who should get the touches? You know, and then when 1024 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 3: we played, it was the big man, right, so you 1025 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 3: know you had to play inside out, but just man, 1026 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 3: just being a thread on the court. And then when 1027 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 3: I got to Golden State, man, they was they was 1028 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 3: launching threes, you know. Uh, and I'm stubborn, you know 1029 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I'm like, man, I'm you know, 1030 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 3: I'm sticking with what I do. You know, like I'm 1031 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 3: rocking how I rock and uh, you know, we're gonna 1032 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 3: find a way. And I'm smart enough to figure this 1033 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 3: out to be on the court with him, you know, 1034 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 3: stay out the way. But you know, also they're gonna 1035 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 3: you know, defense not gonna guard me. I'm gonna make 1036 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 3: him pay. Right at the end of the day, I'm 1037 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 3: gonna tell you to death. You know what I'm saying, 1038 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,919 Speaker 3: your ball to death. 1039 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 4: Man. You know it worked. 1040 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 3: It worked, especially because of the personnel that I had, 1041 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 3: and that that's for me. That's that's what I know 1042 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 3: I needed. You know, I play always played well with 1043 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 3: a Foo spacing next to me, a shooting big, So 1044 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 3: that's that's why it worked out. 1045 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: How was it being on the seventy three and nineteen man, boy. 1046 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 3: That was some of the best basketball that in the 1047 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,879 Speaker 3: year KD got there. It was some of the best 1048 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 3: basketball I probably ever played, you know, just from a 1049 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 3: sense of like being in sync, Like we were so 1050 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,240 Speaker 3: in sync. And when I say we was in sync, 1051 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 3: like it was just scary. 1052 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 5: Man. 1053 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 3: It was like we knew where each other was gonna 1054 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 3: be on the court, right, guys have roles. We was 1055 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 3: you know, it was all kind of you know, it 1056 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 3: was it was kind of defined, especially because we won 1057 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 3: a championship. And then I think also too, coming off 1058 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 3: the first championship, there was a lot of chatter about, 1059 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 3: you know, like we didn't earn it because of the 1060 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 3: injuries and the whole nine. So there was like a 1061 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 3: chip on our shoulder a little bit like prove it 1062 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,879 Speaker 3: all right, Like yeah, like we got to go out 1063 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 3: and you know, go out and show us now. So 1064 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,879 Speaker 3: I think we carried that into the season, you know, 1065 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 3: and Draymond is his first time, you know, now he's 1066 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 3: really locked in as a starter. He just signed a 1067 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 3: new deal, and uh, we had a lot of guys. 1068 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 3: We we rock with each other, and the personalities in 1069 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 3: the locker room. You know, Uh, if it would have 1070 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 3: been three or four Draymonds, maybe not. You know what 1071 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 3: I'm saying like, I mean that matters, you know too, 1072 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 3: I think that matters. And so we we had enough 1073 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,280 Speaker 3: guys around him, the right Vets, you know, to let him, 1074 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 3: you know, be himself. Also Stephan Clay, you know, to 1075 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 3: like we wasn't hating on them, right like the Vets. 1076 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 3: We you know, we everybody wanted to see each other shine. 1077 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 3: And I think that was the difference maker when you 1078 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 3: got guys that are willing to fight for the next 1079 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 3: guy because it's like, I'm I'm rocking with you, bro. 1080 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 3: We you know, we're gonna we're gonna play hard for 1081 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 3: each other, especially when it hit the fan. That's when 1082 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 3: you really see, you know, if the team is you know, 1083 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 3: really together or not. And that team was together. We 1084 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,320 Speaker 3: just we didn't get it done. So you know, that's 1085 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 3: that's that's what people gonna remember for show. 1086 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 5: Y'all got y'all getting Lebron in the finals. Take me 1087 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 5: back to the moments to Kyrie shot. 1088 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 3: Man, I felt like that ball hung in the air 1089 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 3: so long. I'm like, man, it's better not drive, it 1090 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 3: better not going, It's better damn it went in. But 1091 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 3: what crazy part about it is like he hit that shot, 1092 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 3: But I mean all of us still believe we were 1093 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,879 Speaker 3: still gonna win that game because you know, Steph still 1094 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 3: had a chance to you know, to uh knock a 1095 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 3: shot in. But it just the thought of us losing 1096 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 3: that series just did not cross our mind. 1097 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,359 Speaker 4: And so it was just h it was shocked, man. 1098 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 3: And I think they don't get enough credit to, you know, 1099 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,760 Speaker 3: just especially Kyrie, like for what he was able. 1100 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,720 Speaker 4: To do in that series, you know what I'm saying. 1101 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I tell people like Clay he 1102 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 3: you know, for a long time there he was one 1103 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,920 Speaker 3: of the best two guards, you know, two players in 1104 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 3: the league right on the ball and then back on 1105 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 3: the other end. But I mean that was one of 1106 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,759 Speaker 3: the only matchups I really seen somebody probably get the 1107 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 3: best of them, you know what I'm saying, Like, uh, 1108 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 3: for three straight games and it was just like this 1109 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 3: dude is. 1110 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 2: They was still contesting too. He was just about hitting 1111 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 2: right there, and it's like it's better. 1112 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 3: Oh, but it's like you don't want to say that 1113 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,319 Speaker 3: because it's like, no, we got to find a way. 1114 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 3: He's just happening, you know, they will was just crazy. 1115 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 3: So uh, that was obviously, you know, a low point 1116 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 3: for the Dubs. At that time because everything we went 1117 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,719 Speaker 3: through to get that record too, Like we went after 1118 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 3: that record knowing that probably you know, it was a 1119 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 3: lot of slippers towards the end of the year, like 1120 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 3: we was a team who knew how to win, you know. 1121 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 3: So like especially we start off for like twenty four 1122 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 3: and oh so like we would get into three quarters 1123 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,880 Speaker 3: we bs and you know, and the fourth quarter. You 1124 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,439 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, it's like we knew how to win, 1125 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 3: like and then a lot of teams if you don't, 1126 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 3: like I said, if you don't go through that fire 1127 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 3: and start trusting each other, believe you know, a team's 1128 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 3: gonna crack, like they gonna fold, you know. 1129 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 2: So when did that conversation first start coming. 1130 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,840 Speaker 3: Up that we can get that record towards Probably around 1131 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 3: All Star. 1132 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,400 Speaker 4: Right after All Star, you know, let's go get it, 1133 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 4: let's go get it. 1134 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 3: We went on the East Coast swing, and I remember 1135 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 3: I think we were in Orlando. We had just beat 1136 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 3: Miami and you know, going through Miami, you know, and yeah, man, 1137 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 3: it's just you know, so we got. 1138 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we and. 1139 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 3: Then we got Orlando the next night and then. 1140 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 4: So we just you know, we boo boo. 1141 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 3: Out there on the court, and uh, Steph, Man, he 1142 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 3: just you know, he go into a thing and he 1143 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 3: just really he will us together, like he win that 1144 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 3: game pretty much. You know, I ain't gonna say buy himself, 1145 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 3: but by himself. Like and then I'm like, man, this dude, 1146 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 3: he's on he's on one right now. Like you know, 1147 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, man, we you know, Steve had to talk 1148 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 3: with us. 1149 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 4: He's like, look, I was on the team. 1150 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: You know that team record. 1151 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 3: He was like, there was plenty of nights that we 1152 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 3: we probably shouldn't have won some of those games, but 1153 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 3: Mike was you know that good. And uh he was like, man, 1154 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 3: you guys have a real shot with the pieces that 1155 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 3: are in play right now, with how they're you know, 1156 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 3: how they're orbiting and you know working, It's like, you 1157 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 3: guys have a real shot to go get this. Do 1158 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 3: you want to He asked us, do you want to 1159 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 3: go for this record? We all looked around like yeah, 1160 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 3: you know, and Draymond obviously first one, like man, I 1161 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 3: want to go for it, you know, and then you know, Steph, 1162 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 3: and it was just all of us. 1163 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 4: We wanted to be a part of history. 1164 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:42,879 Speaker 1: Man. 1165 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 3: It was just it was an opportunity that you know, 1166 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 3: you don't get and I'm like, man, why are we playing? 1167 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 3: We all here to win, but now like let's make 1168 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 3: our mark out here. And you know, we had a 1169 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,840 Speaker 3: couple you know, Uncle Andre I call him, you know, Uh, 1170 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,359 Speaker 3: he just you know, he didn't want to necessarily go 1171 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 3: for it at the time because he saw the slippage 1172 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 3: and he like, man, we if we do all this 1173 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 3: and we don't win, it don't mean you don't mean nothing. 1174 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,319 Speaker 3: So you know, like he he was in our ear, 1175 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,359 Speaker 3: you know, because he was kind of like the wise man. 1176 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 3: Uh but man, we just we saw the you know, 1177 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 3: we we saw it in the distance. It was like, man, 1178 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,319 Speaker 3: we got a chance to go get this. Let's go 1179 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 3: do it. And uh, we did have some slippage, you know, 1180 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 3: like trying to win some of those games, like just 1181 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 3: not building the right habits in exactly because you want 1182 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 3: to be rolling on all cylinders when you get into 1183 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 3: the playoffs. You know what I'm saying, Like you don't 1184 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,359 Speaker 3: want to just have to flip that switch because that's 1185 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 3: may not like, man, it ain't working. 1186 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you. 1187 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 3: Know that it was I'm grateful we went after I'm 1188 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,279 Speaker 3: thankful in hindsight looking back and we got it. But 1189 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,320 Speaker 3: of course you know, give me that ring, that ring. 1190 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,759 Speaker 1: Help is on the way. Help, It's on the motherfucking. 1191 00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,640 Speaker 5: Way, signed KD. The next that's something I know, y'all 1192 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 5: was like, yeah, wait till we get back the eye 1193 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,280 Speaker 5: ass again. 1194 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 3: I remember where I was at. I'm in the barber 1195 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 3: Sea and back in Puorre. I'm it coming. Look at 1196 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 3: the phone. What what man, listen, we got KD. We 1197 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 3: just got you, hear me. Like it was just it 1198 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 3: was in shock. Like I said, I wasn't on that 1199 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 3: that that trip to the Hamptons, but at the end 1200 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 3: of the day, it was like, man, it was just 1201 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 3: it was shocking to me to see that, like like, man, 1202 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,960 Speaker 3: it's my like one of the best players in the 1203 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 3: world and what we just went through and he about 1204 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 3: to come, Like man, it's it's it's it's over. We 1205 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,280 Speaker 3: about the we about the wreck shop, and we was 1206 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 3: coming off, you know, losing, so we already was we 1207 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 3: already was hungry, you know, and we had that chip 1208 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 3: you know, on our shoulder, and we had something to prove. 1209 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 3: So now with him coming in the fold, it was 1210 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 3: just like all right, let's go it's it was kind 1211 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 3: of like Us against the world mentality because we knew, 1212 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,240 Speaker 3: right it was like it's gonna be a lot of 1213 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 3: you know, front runners out there talking, you know, talking trash. 1214 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: But you know, it is what it is. 1215 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:07,840 Speaker 4: It is what it is. 1216 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 2: Before we get into that, that team and the run 1217 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 2: you guys went on, what was it like, what was 1218 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 2: the fandom like with that team, like off the court, 1219 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 2: going into different cities, just moving around. 1220 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,080 Speaker 1: What was that like with the Beatles? 1221 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 3: It was, man, it was nuts. It started the year 1222 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 3: before when we was on the record. Uh, and it 1223 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 3: was Steph Stephan was you know, the main one that 1224 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,960 Speaker 3: was just like yeah, man, it was like, you know, 1225 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 3: Michael Jackson out here like y'all got to go home, 1226 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:32,640 Speaker 3: you know. 1227 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 1228 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 3: But you know, just I remember documenting, you know, how 1229 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 3: many people were outside at the bus when we were 1230 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 3: going to the game A couple of those times, like 1231 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 3: it really looked like you know, the Dream Team when 1232 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 3: they was you know over there overseas. It was that 1233 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 3: many people following and building, you know, and the Warriors 1234 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 3: already had you know a fan base in the Bay 1235 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 3: loyal and lawyer and I mean that kind of started, 1236 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 3: you know, y'all era, you know, like they love the Warriors, 1237 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,920 Speaker 3: you better not say nothing, you know, like. 1238 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 4: For real, especially with that clanse your life. 1239 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was, uh, you know, the fan base, 1240 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,360 Speaker 3: it was you know, you start winning, you start you know, 1241 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 3: building up some fans and you know, but I think 1242 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 3: what we appreciated was, you know, there's a lot of 1243 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 3: loyal fans that's been there since day one, you know, 1244 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 3: and and in the Bay Area that's been there when 1245 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 3: they couldn't give away them. 1246 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 4: Tickets, you know, so we we appreciated them fans. 1247 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 2: So Kevin Durant comes in, one of the best players 1248 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 2: in the world. You continue to speak on how your guys' 1249 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 2: team was like this, and you think to add a 1250 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 2: superstar to a team like that, there would be some 1251 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 2: hiccups or some growing pains. But it outside, looking in, 1252 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 2: it looked pretty seamless. It may not have been, but 1253 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 2: it looked pretty seamless. Once you guys started rolling talk 1254 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 2: to us just about seeing nights. 1255 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: No, I was never there. 1256 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 2: So when you would see Clay, Stephen and k be 1257 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 2: out there just clicking, like what is that like? 1258 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 3: Man, it was like basketball and Nirvana for real. It 1259 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 3: was just and it was. It was a seamless fit. 1260 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 3: All the puzzles, all the piece to the puzzles fit. 1261 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 3: You know, like you got to you know a point 1262 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 3: guard who was you know, could play off the ball 1263 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 3: right and he wasn't selfish. He would get off of it, 1264 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 3: you know, like you bring it up. Uh, you know 1265 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 3: you got Clay who was a sniper out there, didn't 1266 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 3: need it, you know. 1267 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Uh. 1268 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 4: And then KD. 1269 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 3: Man Man, people don't know how much this man is 1270 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 3: a student of the game, like just his work ethic. 1271 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 3: Like we talk about it, Me and Drake talk about it. 1272 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 3: It's like what kids need to do, is they need 1273 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 3: to like don't even watch practice, Watch after practice, watch 1274 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,080 Speaker 3: after practice. How he go through his routine Like it's that. 1275 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 3: It's like, man, it's just you know, it's so you know, 1276 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,400 Speaker 3: it's like a tactician man, Like he's just you know, 1277 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 3: surgical with his movements. Uh, you know, with the footwork, 1278 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,240 Speaker 3: balance with the balance, with the form, you know, like 1279 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,440 Speaker 3: and it means something to him. You know you can 1280 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 3: tell like he's studying, he watching taping home you know, 1281 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,840 Speaker 3: like that man is you know, like he he lived 1282 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,200 Speaker 3: the hoop for real, and so you know, watching him 1283 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 3: put the work in it was crazy because it's like, man, 1284 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,200 Speaker 3: it's really a seven foot guard out here, you know, 1285 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,320 Speaker 3: with these handles, dribbling like this, shooting like this, Like man, 1286 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 3: he shouldn't be able to do this and move this 1287 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 3: way beat his tall but uh, it fit because again, 1288 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 3: he was he was bought into from a standpoint of 1289 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 3: just wanting to win and play good basketball. Like that's 1290 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 3: you go back and look like that's always what he 1291 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 3: talked about, like I just want to play good basketball, 1292 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 3: like make the right plays. And I think that's something 1293 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,320 Speaker 3: that we were building as an organization, as a as 1294 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,920 Speaker 3: a team franchise. 1295 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 2: Like a standard, yeah, a standard of like. 1296 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 3: Man, just make the right play. You know what I'm saying, 1297 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Like you ain't gonta be the home run. It may 1298 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 3: be a time for that, and we'll get there when 1299 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 3: that happened, but let's build these habits because you never know, 1300 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,920 Speaker 3: you know, you never know when you need you might 1301 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 3: need this person and you need them to do you know, 1302 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,320 Speaker 3: do the right thing. And and so you know, that's 1303 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 3: what he bought into when he got to the Warriors. 1304 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 3: But then it was also times where it was like, oh, man, go. 1305 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,360 Speaker 4: Go to your thing, like please. 1306 01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hold my drink, I got you. 1307 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,760 Speaker 2: That was the one thing I used to tell people 1308 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,480 Speaker 2: to dot was was seeing him and Steph after practice, 1309 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 2: because like you said, it was a seven foot version 1310 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,800 Speaker 2: and then there's a six to two version doing the 1311 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 2: exact same balance thing. And there was no lucky shots 1312 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 2: because they worked on all these backboard angles. Level of 1313 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 2: the backboard balance ship was unbelievable. 1314 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 3: And when they would work out to most of the 1315 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 3: time they work out separate gods to have their own courts. 1316 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,400 Speaker 3: Klay got his own course, Steph kd Andre and then 1317 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 3: sometimes they'll work out and got Steve Kerb or Steve Nashrica. 1318 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,080 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. It was like a movie. It was 1319 01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 3: a movie because it was like, man, it was like 1320 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,480 Speaker 3: watching there's a video game. Man, they wasn't missing, but 1321 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,160 Speaker 3: just again the footwork, you know, the technique, shooting off 1322 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 3: left leg, shooting off the right leg, glass you know, 1323 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 3: just man. And it was form, you know, it was form. 1324 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 3: It was fundamentals, you know, And that to me is 1325 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,440 Speaker 3: like what I think the youth, you know, that's what 1326 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 3: you need to see and watch watch they footwork, Watch 1327 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 3: how you line is his feet up before you even 1328 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 3: catch the ball you ready to shoot, you know, and 1329 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,400 Speaker 3: they were just so methodical with the way they went 1330 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,920 Speaker 3: about it and consistent. That was the biggest work, the 1331 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 3: consistency of doing it time after time at the time. 1332 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 3: And we all professional athletes and so we worked put 1333 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 3: a lot of time in our game. 1334 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 4: We take our craft serious. 1335 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,920 Speaker 3: But I mean, man, them dudes, man like it was. 1336 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,080 Speaker 3: It was literally like routines every day every day to. 1337 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,120 Speaker 2: Watch, yeah and speak think about it. I mean, you 1338 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 2: coming from where you came from where once you guys 1339 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 2: were done when your rookie year the court and you 1340 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 2: go in the locker room, like when you go on 1341 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,959 Speaker 2: that Golden State, Like you said, everyone has their court, 1342 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,760 Speaker 2: the young players on the far end running, but all 1343 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 2: the main guys have their own basket. And every single 1344 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 2: day they shot every day, every single day, bro. 1345 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 4: Every day, every day. 1346 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,560 Speaker 3: And it was it was you know, like sometimes man, 1347 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 3: Steph was just like we you know, we'll catch ourselves watching, 1348 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 3: you know, as players, because you know it's like, man, 1349 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,920 Speaker 3: this dude, you know, like he'll shoot all these crazy, 1350 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 3: crazy ass shots in the game, you know, and they going, 1351 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,920 Speaker 3: you know, and so but you see what he's working on, 1352 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,080 Speaker 3: right and it's like, oh, this isn't extraordinary, you know 1353 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,200 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, It's just the ordinary work that he's 1354 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 3: putting in time at the time, at the time to 1355 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 3: get to that place. And then also I say another thing, 1356 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 3: like his touch is unbelievable, you know, and Katie has 1357 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 3: that you know, soft touch, but his touch like you know, 1358 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 3: man to be able to shoot shoot them shots all 1359 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,760 Speaker 3: the way up in the air like that, and you know, 1360 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,880 Speaker 3: like he him and Joker to me like you know, they. 1361 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 4: Got some of the best. Yeah, they touched different. 1362 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 2: So sixteen and one get you another championship going to 1363 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 2: the next season. Uh, and you guys are able to 1364 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,080 Speaker 2: capture three championships in four seasons. Where's your mind at 1365 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 2: at this point into the eighteen season? 1366 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,160 Speaker 1: Man? 1367 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,840 Speaker 3: Well man, it was just you know, it's like all right, 1368 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 3: we went went back to back. You know, it was 1369 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 3: just like, you know, we got a chance. Let's let's 1370 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 3: let's keep winning. Let's keep doing it, you know. Uh 1371 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,680 Speaker 3: that was twenty eighteen and then Boogie signed, and then 1372 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 3: Boogie signed and it was just like, oh man, they 1373 01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,280 Speaker 3: about to give us Boogie like you know, like, man, 1374 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,760 Speaker 3: this is is about to get real unfair because you know, 1375 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 3: he we never had a scoring big like you know, 1376 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 3: like that that had game on. 1377 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,160 Speaker 4: The block, post work, shoot three. 1378 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 3: Dime, you handle that thing like man, bugs cold, you know, 1379 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 3: like for real and uh and so he came in 1380 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,360 Speaker 3: that year, you know, and he was working his way 1381 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,520 Speaker 3: back from injury and uh, you know, I just remember 1382 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,040 Speaker 3: another one just he you know, bug was misunderstood man, 1383 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 3: just you know, like having a chance to come into 1384 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 3: our organization and prove his word, prove himself. You know, 1385 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 3: he was determined to do that. And so like I 1386 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 3: built up a lot of respect for him in that 1387 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,640 Speaker 3: journey because he was going through the rehab process, getting 1388 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 3: himself back and trying to prove the people he you 1389 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 3: know what he could do. 1390 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 2: That's the first winning, real environment he's been in since college. 1391 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,600 Speaker 4: Ain't that crazy? And that matters for young players. 1392 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,800 Speaker 3: So where you go, you know, like being able to 1393 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,560 Speaker 3: have an environment where you know, they they preach about 1394 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,560 Speaker 3: doing the right things, you know, and about what is 1395 01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,840 Speaker 3: your preparation, what's your approach to the game, because it 1396 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 3: matters because it's like, you know, we all talented, you know, 1397 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 3: and especially coming into the league, you was the man 1398 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,120 Speaker 3: wherever you was at in college, high school, whatever, you know, hey, 1399 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,320 Speaker 3: you wherever. So the mentality is like, you know, you 1400 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,720 Speaker 3: made it, but it's like you really got to prove 1401 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 3: yourself again, like I was saying, But it's it's you know, 1402 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 3: it's the preparation that goes into that. And so with 1403 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 3: bug Man, like twenty nineteen, he just you know, you know, 1404 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,320 Speaker 3: he had a pretty good year solid. We were up 1405 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,440 Speaker 3: and down, had a lot of injuries that year. I 1406 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 3: ended up losing to Toronto and the finals. KD obviously 1407 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 3: went down, Clay went down, We shot all our bullets. 1408 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,560 Speaker 4: We were just we was on fumes. 1409 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,960 Speaker 3: But that was like, man, I was five straight years 1410 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:26,920 Speaker 3: of going to the finals. 1411 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,280 Speaker 4: So it was just like, man, it was you know, 1412 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 4: we was we was we. 1413 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,640 Speaker 3: Was burning out, you know, like mentally, emotionally, you know, 1414 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 3: kind of getting desensitized about the game and about the moment. 1415 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 3: You know, we're supposed to be really in it and 1416 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,040 Speaker 3: enjoying it, and I think, I don't I don't want 1417 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,960 Speaker 3: to say we were taking it for granted, but it 1418 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,000 Speaker 3: was just the standpoint it's like, oh, we did it, 1419 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 3: you know, and so we can do it again. And 1420 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 3: it's not that it was the norm for y'all exactly 1421 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,400 Speaker 3: exactly that one game KD came back the game he 1422 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:55,880 Speaker 3: got hurt. 1423 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,360 Speaker 5: I know, everybody was like, the first couple of shots, 1424 01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 5: oh that's over. 1425 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: He hit the first couple of threes, like, oh he 1426 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 1: back yards over. They've been to blow him out. Then 1427 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:04,479 Speaker 1: he went down. 1428 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,680 Speaker 3: Man, Listen, we were so hyped when he came back though. 1429 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 3: We was I'm talking about before he even got out there. 1430 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 3: We you know, doing the whole pregame. You know, he 1431 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,240 Speaker 3: did his dance and when I tell you, the whole dance, 1432 01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,120 Speaker 3: we was watching the feed making sure it's like, make 1433 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,600 Speaker 3: sure he goodn He hit that dance so hard it 1434 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,240 Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, we about to do it. 1435 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:27,519 Speaker 4: And then he went down. 1436 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,040 Speaker 3: Man, it was just it was it was tough to 1437 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,559 Speaker 3: watch because knowing that, you know, he put it on 1438 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 3: the line right, knowing that he was about to be 1439 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 3: a free agent, and uh, you know, man, listen, at 1440 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,360 Speaker 3: the time, you know, like we knew. I think, you know, 1441 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 3: I knew personally like I was on my last leg, 1442 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,479 Speaker 3: but I felt like I knew that, you know, he 1443 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,439 Speaker 3: had a calling to be somewhere else and he wanted 1444 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,599 Speaker 3: to test the Water Free Agency and find his own lane. 1445 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,639 Speaker 3: So you know that was that was tough to see 1446 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 3: because again, like you know, he didn't have to do that. 1447 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,479 Speaker 3: He could have just you know, he could have just 1448 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 3: played the cut and say, you know, I'm injured. But he, 1449 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,719 Speaker 3: you know, he put it, put it on the line 1450 01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:12,000 Speaker 3: for us, and uh, you know, obviously we're grateful. 1451 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,960 Speaker 4: Wish it wouldn't turn. 1452 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,639 Speaker 3: Out that way, right, but uh, you know, man, I mean, 1453 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 3: he he gave it all. 1454 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,960 Speaker 4: He gave it all to us, though he gave it 1455 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:20,439 Speaker 4: all to him. 1456 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,839 Speaker 2: That's seventeen team, one of the greatest teams of all. 1457 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 3: Time, definitely, I mean, just that much of talent, that 1458 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,640 Speaker 3: much talent, Like you know, you it's hard to stop everybody, 1459 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,160 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like it's hard to compare 1460 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,640 Speaker 3: errors now, Like I grew up on the Bulls, so 1461 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,600 Speaker 3: that's always going to be a cream Dela Creme for me, 1462 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,759 Speaker 3: you know, Mike and Scottie. But man, all the weapons 1463 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,880 Speaker 3: and then they fit, like I said, the pieces of 1464 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 3: the puzzle fit, like you don't have people stepping on 1465 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,920 Speaker 3: each other's toes, and especially you know towards the end 1466 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,800 Speaker 3: of that run. You know, obviously the media get involved 1467 01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,960 Speaker 3: and you know, like a yeah, trying to find the cracks. 1468 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,120 Speaker 3: You know, they trying to trying to break us up, 1469 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,760 Speaker 3: and you know it's it's the Warriors and KD. You know, 1470 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 3: it's Katie and the Warriors, and so all that dissension 1471 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,439 Speaker 3: and stuff start, you know, playing in the locker room 1472 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,000 Speaker 3: and stuff. But I mean, like, man, when you talk 1473 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 3: about I seen him locked in, Like when we all 1474 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 3: locked in and all together and he bought in and 1475 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 3: we bought in, It's like, you know, it's another level. 1476 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,120 Speaker 3: It was another level. It's another level of basketball. So 1477 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,720 Speaker 3: I vote yes, Yeah, you're tied in twenty nineteen. Did 1478 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 3: you do you ever get a chance to sit back 1479 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 3: and say, I wonder for your career was. 1480 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,479 Speaker 4: I did that year I took off? 1481 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:38,920 Speaker 1: I did? 1482 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:39,759 Speaker 4: It was tough. 1483 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,439 Speaker 3: It was tough because you know, basketball was like the 1484 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 3: only thing that you know, I. 1485 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,400 Speaker 4: Knew since the cradle. So it was like a death. 1486 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,200 Speaker 3: Right like you know, it's like a death in that way, 1487 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,840 Speaker 3: like morning the game, you know, And I was talking 1488 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,840 Speaker 3: to you about it, you know when we was we 1489 01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,680 Speaker 3: was playing just mulling, you know, seeing the handwriting on 1490 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 3: the wall and you know, trying to get tips on 1491 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,920 Speaker 3: you know what to do, not having you know, having 1492 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,720 Speaker 3: a lot more time on your hands and all that. 1493 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:13,280 Speaker 3: But it's I'm I'm grateful man, Like I'm working on 1494 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,559 Speaker 3: the book, you know, gotta tell the story, you know, 1495 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,840 Speaker 3: if not meeting who what's the title? I got to 1496 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,160 Speaker 3: work on that you need? But let's roll up after this. 1497 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,080 Speaker 3: He'll give you a couple of title this. Yeah, I 1498 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,559 Speaker 3: know you got some some cooking for me. But yeah, yeah, definitely, 1499 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,960 Speaker 3: it was. It was. It was a good journey. I'm 1500 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 3: grateful for it, and I wouldn't I wouldn't change the thing. 1501 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,519 Speaker 2: Quick hitters first thing to come to mind. Let us know, 1502 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 2: bron Cole, m J rank. 1503 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,880 Speaker 4: Them favorite or just best? What we're talking a little 1504 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,439 Speaker 4: bit of both? Oh man, m J. Cole, Bron. 1505 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 3: I mean maybe it's an era thing, but you know, 1506 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,439 Speaker 3: like that's that's that's where I'm not. That's where I'm 1507 01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,519 Speaker 3: at the greatest. You know, Mike, what he did? What 1508 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,360 Speaker 3: do your coin push? You know, watched it? Felt it 1509 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,559 Speaker 3: uh cold, you know, the greatest player I ever guarded, uh, 1510 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,520 Speaker 3: you know, on the court and bron Wood he's accomplished. 1511 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, Robert always sat there yesterday and so it 1512 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:13,880 Speaker 2: was the same thing. 1513 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 4: Yeah really, yeah. 1514 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,479 Speaker 5: That's how I go up. But they kill me for 1515 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,880 Speaker 5: saying that, though damn I was. It was just they 1516 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,040 Speaker 5: killed me for saying. 1517 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,880 Speaker 2: That because you They killed me saying that you got 1518 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,480 Speaker 2: any good cold stories, cold stories. 1519 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,840 Speaker 4: I remember when I came in the league. He was 1520 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 4: grilling me. 1521 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,880 Speaker 3: You know, young fella, you love the game, you know, 1522 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,000 Speaker 3: like he was really trying to find out, you know, 1523 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:35,800 Speaker 3: if I was in it. 1524 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,520 Speaker 4: For the lifestyle or if I was a hooper. 1525 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,120 Speaker 3: You know, And I think, uh, I think he felt 1526 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,160 Speaker 3: that I was, you know, a real hooper. You know, 1527 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,640 Speaker 3: I kept you know, I was quiet. Yeah, yeah, I 1528 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,320 Speaker 3: love it, but it's my rookie year, so uh but 1529 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,680 Speaker 3: I just remember guarding them at the time. That's when 1530 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 3: I was able to get on the court and make 1531 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 3: my name on the defensive end. And uh man, just 1532 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 3: the just the counters that he had that man like 1533 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,640 Speaker 3: this dude, man, he shot a fade away with the 1534 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 3: left on me. Like how disreselectful is that? You know, 1535 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,040 Speaker 3: like just just that he tried it, you know what 1536 01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:15,880 Speaker 3: I'm saying. But in a game and game just at 1537 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,599 Speaker 3: the court, like you just you're gonna try this front 1538 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,640 Speaker 3: all these people getting my dad out here, like, uh, 1539 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 3: you know, he he was. He it was the mentality 1540 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 3: of the mindset. And of course people talk that mama mentality, 1541 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,920 Speaker 3: but like unless you really play with him and know, 1542 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,320 Speaker 3: like you know, how he really was, you know, like 1543 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 3: it's best to really lead that in the past. What 1544 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,439 Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, that's just my personal opinion, you know 1545 01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,599 Speaker 3: what Bob said. Bob said, some people shouldn't even speak 1546 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,000 Speaker 3: on that's just my personal opinion. Man, Like just being 1547 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,679 Speaker 3: in LA and hearing the stories and like I didn't 1548 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,200 Speaker 3: ever play with him, and I didn't know him, weren't friends, 1549 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 3: you know, but it's just like, man, you know, like 1550 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,759 Speaker 3: the amount of work that he put in to the game, 1551 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,519 Speaker 3: to his craft was maniacal, you know what I'm saying. 1552 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,400 Speaker 3: It was like maniacal, Like you got to make a 1553 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,840 Speaker 3: decision like what you what's really important to you, you know, 1554 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,599 Speaker 3: like some guys, you know, family, lifestyle, whatever the case, 1555 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,320 Speaker 3: you know, whatever, money, financial, Like it really was hoop 1556 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,800 Speaker 3: for him and everything else came, you know, so like 1557 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,840 Speaker 3: he was he was really living that life. And I 1558 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,320 Speaker 3: had to question myself, like do I really love the game? 1559 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,200 Speaker 3: Like I should be working out like like that you 1560 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 3: know anc maniacal. It was maniacal. What does that mean? 1561 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,760 Speaker 4: It was like it was a maniac. It was a 1562 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 4: maniac you know what I'm saying. 1563 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:40,840 Speaker 5: Like you know, I asked, no doubt I'm a moniacal. Yeah, yeah, 1564 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,640 Speaker 5: I'm diabolical, diabolical. 1565 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 4: But cold man. He was. 1566 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,800 Speaker 3: Like he was again, he was regret Like I said, 1567 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,599 Speaker 3: he was the best player I guarded, just because. 1568 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,559 Speaker 4: Of the countermoves that he had. 1569 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,360 Speaker 3: Uh you know, you take one thing away, he has 1570 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,600 Speaker 3: something else and he would will his team, you know, 1571 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 3: like you The moment was never too big and he 1572 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,080 Speaker 3: was just a killer. 1573 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:12,040 Speaker 5: One album on repeat that you listen to Blueprint, that's 1574 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,520 Speaker 5: that for real. 1575 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 2: Five dinner guess better live, five dinner guests, uh dead 1576 01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:23,479 Speaker 2: or live? 1577 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, pop Tupot. 1578 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:33,160 Speaker 3: H Obama met him, but just to sit and have 1579 01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:33,800 Speaker 3: dinner with him. 1580 01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:40,360 Speaker 4: Jay Z Martin Malcolm, I can't go wrong. 1581 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna be nice. 1582 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:47,559 Speaker 5: Top five five mid rain shooters ever, don't be bad 1583 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:48,080 Speaker 5: for neither. 1584 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,400 Speaker 1: There you go. You know I know that. 1585 01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 4: I know it's gonna be in the many uh top five? 1586 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:55,800 Speaker 4: All right? 1587 01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,840 Speaker 3: Sam Cassell, mm hmm, you gotta put MJ in there 1588 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 3: because you know m j cole Thress three, I'm putting 1589 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:10,040 Speaker 3: Katie in there for show, and uh man, let me 1590 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,759 Speaker 3: let me think about somebody from mid range mid range 1591 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:20,320 Speaker 3: mid range, mid range, mid range, I mean from this era. 1592 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,879 Speaker 3: I think you you know, you say Tomorrow tomar Derosen. 1593 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:31,160 Speaker 3: If I'm going kind of the older era, a player 1594 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:36,880 Speaker 3: that I watch, what's my guy from Detroit? Yes, yes, yes, 1595 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:43,720 Speaker 3: rip rip ripton around. 1596 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:44,840 Speaker 4: That was kind of like how. 1597 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,360 Speaker 1: The fingernails. 1598 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,160 Speaker 4: I ain't guard him as much as you did, so yeah. 1599 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, best player in the world right now, best. 1600 01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:59,920 Speaker 4: Player in the world right now. 1601 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:08,000 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm biased, you know, so I always I 1602 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:13,320 Speaker 3: always always say Steph. But if i'm you know, best 1603 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,560 Speaker 3: player in the world. 1604 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 2: Outside of your former team, yeah, outside of your teammate. 1605 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:18,280 Speaker 4: Right right right? 1606 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,559 Speaker 3: Oh man, total package, total package. I mean, it's it's 1607 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:33,439 Speaker 3: got to be. It's hard not to say bron you know, 1608 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,880 Speaker 3: he's he's older now, so I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, yok, 1609 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,200 Speaker 3: you go, I'm gonna says you got to And it's 1610 01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,280 Speaker 3: always for me. It's about like I want to give 1611 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,240 Speaker 3: it to the you know, the ball handlers, the guards, 1612 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,880 Speaker 3: you know, the forwards, the ones who's kind of doing that. 1613 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:50,879 Speaker 4: But I mean he's. 1614 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,519 Speaker 3: Doing all all of like he's he is, you know, 1615 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,040 Speaker 3: the son that makes everything else, you know, he you know, 1616 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,479 Speaker 3: makes everything else work. And uh uh that dude man, 1617 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,160 Speaker 3: he you know, he just carve you up. Like that's 1618 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,400 Speaker 3: why everybody, that's why they play the way they do 1619 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,639 Speaker 3: because of him and his personality. Like we relate with that, 1620 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,360 Speaker 3: you know, with stuff being kind of the second way, 1621 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 3: like you know that that humble personality. 1622 01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,560 Speaker 4: To where he he he boosts. 1623 01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,479 Speaker 3: You up, he empower you and uh you know you 1624 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:22,880 Speaker 3: you cut, he gonna throw you the rock. 1625 01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:26,880 Speaker 5: Who would you like to see on all the smoke? 1626 01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 5: But I was waiting, getting ready to answer, but you 1627 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,719 Speaker 5: have to help us get your answer on the show. 1628 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,040 Speaker 5: I'm just too cold with this question. I used to 1629 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 5: fumble with this question like a mom brother too. 1630 01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,800 Speaker 2: I ain't never seen Mucker compliment itself so much. 1631 01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: That's hard. That's hard. Break you and pat yourself on 1632 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:54,040 Speaker 1: the back. 1633 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,479 Speaker 2: Let me let me let me give you thanks. 1634 01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:56,680 Speaker 3: Bro. 1635 01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,479 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm cool. 1636 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,519 Speaker 5: I'm cool with the checks you mean getting miss You 1637 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:01,559 Speaker 5: ain't got to pat me on the back. 1638 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,519 Speaker 3: Y'all haven't had a lot of people on the show though, man, 1639 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,040 Speaker 3: like y'all got a lot of. 1640 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 4: The verse too. Is the verse, you know? 1641 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,240 Speaker 3: So I don't know y'all, y'all reaches, it's it's it's 1642 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:23,639 Speaker 3: getting up there. Who hasn't been on that? Maybe? Yeah, 1643 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,320 Speaker 3: the owners on any owners of the teams. I think 1644 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:28,920 Speaker 3: it would be good to have one of the owners 1645 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:29,760 Speaker 3: on one. 1646 01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, what kind of did we have a former 1647 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,280 Speaker 1: Mike Ruby. 1648 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,839 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah he was dope though. Yeah he different, yeah, different. 1649 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,240 Speaker 1: He wanted us right now, he wanted to right. 1650 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:43,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1651 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,559 Speaker 3: I think one of the owners just to give people 1652 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 3: some perspective, like, you know, like behind the scenes, you know, 1653 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,640 Speaker 3: like tell us really know what's what's going on, you know. 1654 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,880 Speaker 5: You know I had to pick somebody from, I would 1655 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,000 Speaker 5: say Donnie Walsh. That would be somebody, you know what 1656 01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,679 Speaker 5: I'm saying, Cause he got some stories. He's been around 1657 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,280 Speaker 5: a long time. He worked with the Right the Pacers, yep, yeah, 1658 01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,720 Speaker 5: he was around a broad time, so he I think 1659 01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,120 Speaker 5: Donna Wahs would be good for us too. 1660 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:13,160 Speaker 2: But Sean, man, we appreciate you. Your journey has been incredible, 1661 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,679 Speaker 2: real quick. Yeah, something you can throw on around, something 1662 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:19,720 Speaker 2: you can throw on around, there. 1663 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,679 Speaker 1: Yeah you guys, Yeah, I know that. I appreciate you 1664 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,280 Speaker 1: that story. You can get it, you can be fly, 1665 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,960 Speaker 1: just like showing as that you know. 1666 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,240 Speaker 2: Your journey, your perseverance, and then again getting a chance 1667 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,120 Speaker 2: to know you obviously as a person that's been great. 1668 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,080 Speaker 2: Like again, you know, a great player, but a better 1669 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 2: person than that's saying a lot. So man, we appreciate you, 1670 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,400 Speaker 2: your grind, your drive and you know now you're in 1671 01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,400 Speaker 2: the front office, man, so we expect nothing but greatness. 1672 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:43,560 Speaker 2: So best of lock Brof. 1673 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,200 Speaker 1: You ever want to know how cold I will just 1674 01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,120 Speaker 1: go ask him, yes sir, or just ask him because 1675 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:49,719 Speaker 1: he gonna. 1676 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:51,639 Speaker 5: Talk. 1677 01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,800 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, man, But that's the wrap. 1678 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,959 Speaker 2: Sean Livingston, show Time Basketball YouTube and the iHeart Platform 1679 01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,759 Speaker 2: Black Effects. 1680 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,200 Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week.