1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck here in studio with 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: us today. Nellie Bowles, I'm gonna talk to us about 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: her new book, Morning After the Revolution, Dispatches from the 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: Wrong Side of History. She's here in studio with me, Clay. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: She is formerly a New York Times correspondent, so she 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: is a refugee from the communist camp and we have 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: much to discuss with her, and her book is actually about. 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: This to some degree. So let's start with it. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: Oh and we want to talk about the Free Press 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: as well, which is the media company that you and. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 4: Barry Clay Weiss. 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: Yes, Barry Wise has founded with her, and they're both 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: you guys are married and also founded this company together. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 3: It's doing very very well. 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 4: Nellie. 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Let's start with Morning After the Revolution. 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: So I did read the first two chapters and it was. 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: Fun because I got I got to sit there and 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: see so the New York Times is as insane from 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: the inside as me, an outsider who grew up in 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: New York City thinks it is. 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, let me just say it's a 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 5: pleasure to be here. 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 4: Very nice to see you. 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 5: And I don't think there are enough American flags around 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 5: me in this studio. 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: Many American flags. 30 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 5: There need to be more. There's some mall space that 31 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 5: doesn't have an American flag on it. Yeah. So I wrote 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 5: the book as really an insider in prestige media. I 33 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 5: think that what was going on at the New York Times, 34 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 5: which anyone from the outside can obviously see what's happening inside, 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 5: more or less, I think what was going on there 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 5: was also going on within NPR, within half a dozen 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 5: of the prestige media brands. And it's basically a movement 38 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: to say, don't report on anything that isn't beneficial, specifically 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 5: to the Democratic Party and to our sort of politics 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 5: of the day. And that's just a really boring way 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 5: to be a writer. That's not a way. It's not fun. 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 5: You can't be curious. And you're seeing now. I don't 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 5: know if you saw last week the editor in chief 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 5: of the New York Times came out and said in 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 5: a major earth chattering statement, the New York Times is 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 5: not in the business of helping promote Joe Biden, and 47 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 5: we need to stop that sort of. 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: Advotation, advocacy Journal, and the fact that he needed to. 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 5: Say it is unbelievable. But it's amazing that he needed 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 5: to make the statement. It was, of course controversial that 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 5: he made it. But yeah, So it's a book about 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 5: the last few years, which I think we all can 53 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 5: see everyone went a little crazy and now is starting 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 5: to come to their senses a way. 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: It's like she takes a little surveillance camera and we 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: get to know what it's like inside the writing of 57 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: the Daily Communist Manifesto over in Times Square. 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 6: So well, look, I'm a long time New York Times subscriber. 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 6: I subscribe to the Washington Post, I subscribe to the 60 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal. I read everything, as you have to 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 6: do when you're doing a show like this, to try 62 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 6: to familiarize yourself with all arguments. So I have a 63 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 6: couple of questions, and I'm curious if you address them 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 6: in the book, And thanks for coming in studio with 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 6: us in New York where Buck is right now. So one, 66 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 6: is Trump in your mind a cause of this or 67 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 6: is he merely a symptom and he's not really the cause? 68 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 6: I'm curious how you would assess that. 69 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: That's second part of this, Yeah. 70 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 6: Second part of this because I don't know the answer, 71 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 6: and I think it's a great debate. Second part of this, 72 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 6: how much of it do you think is subscription based? 73 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 6: In other words, instead of having an advertiser business, which 74 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 6: is you want as many people as possible to read 75 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 6: the paper, now you're basically selling to the diehards, which 76 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 6: is a different business model. Those are two questions. I 77 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 6: don't know what your answer would be, but I'm curious 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 6: how you would assess them. 79 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 5: Those are both great questions I try to wrestle with 80 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 5: in the book. I think if you look at how 81 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 5: The New York Times is doing as a business, it's 82 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: doing great. Yeah, And that's because, as like you said, 83 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 5: as it pivoted from being an advertiser business, where Macy's 84 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 5: and Clorox just want maximum eyes, they don't necessarily and 85 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 5: they actually really don't want it to just be limited 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 5: to this political group or that political group. So you're 87 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 5: incentivized to serve a broader audience. But as it pivots 88 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: to a subscription business, the logical thing to do is 89 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 5: to serve those subscribers. And what those subscribers want is 90 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 5: red meat. They want to be told every single day 91 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 5: the same bad things about Trump, things that it's not 92 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 5: like it's lies necessarily other than like lies of omission. 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 5: Sometimes there's lies. But they want to be given the 94 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: red meat of anti Trump content every day. And they 95 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 5: want the paper to be their sword in the world, 96 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 5: to be there, to be their soldier out there fighting 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 5: for them. And that's what they're paying for the subscription, 98 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 5: and the Times courted that with the advertising model and 99 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 5: with with their with not the advertising model, with the 100 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 5: advertising campaigns around framing themselves as the subscriber's sword in 101 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 5: the world. Now, ez for did Trump and his rise? 102 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: Did he break them? 103 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: This is we talked about cause emotionally symptom. 104 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 4: Did he emotionally break them? Or is it just the 105 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: last straw. 106 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 5: I'm going to go on the side of yeah, I 107 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 5: think Trump emotionally broke them a little bit. I think 108 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 5: his wildness and his lack of like traditional decorum made 109 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 5: it so the Democrats became a little wild and lost 110 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 5: their sense of traditional decorum. Because if you think about 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 5: all the old values of the old journalists and things, 112 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 5: it's it's a lot of it is like a manners 113 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 5: and decorum and sort of like this is how we 114 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 5: like to act and this is what we like to 115 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: you know, the idea of objectivity is an aspiration. And 116 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 5: when someone like Trump comes in and is a uniquely 117 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 5: polarizing or whatever you want to call it, he's wild, 118 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 5: he's nuts, he's saying crazy, just talking to it. 119 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: We're just talking to him last night. 120 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: And so so yeah, and so then you've got the 121 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 5: Times definitely reacting, you have the whole liberal intelligentsia definitely reacting. 122 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 5: I don't think that's an excuse, though. I don't think 123 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 5: you can say, oh, I just got a note saying 124 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 5: no cursing. 125 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: No, it's okay, it's just we're on broadcast radio. 126 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: I wish, I wish we could just let you let 127 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: it fly. 128 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: But unfortunately there are there are limitations. There are limitations. Look, 129 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: we were talking, we were talking to Trump last night. 130 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: He's he's a he's Trump, and you can't even really 131 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: begin to describe it. I think at this point it's 132 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: fair to say he's the most famous person on the planet. 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: He's the most polarizing person in the United States of 134 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: any real magnitude politically, and so the question as to 135 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: whether or not he broke them up. 136 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: I could say this, I grew up here in. 137 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: New York City. 138 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: My family were New York Times subscribers growing up. Most 139 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: of the people that grew that were around me, I think, 140 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 2: have grown up to be by voting Obama, voting Democrats, 141 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: et cetera. And it's very clear though that even they 142 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: recognize what you said about the creation of the New 143 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: York Times or the perception of the New York Times 144 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: as the sword in the world for the left. Trump 145 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: there was like an explicit shift right of now the 146 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: truth is anti Trump, therefore anti Trump is the truth. 147 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: And that changed. 148 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: And I think that we saw that the Washington Posts 149 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: saw that The New York Times. 150 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 5: We saw that NPR came out proudly and said we're 151 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 5: not covering the Hunter Biden. 152 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: Right because that would help the enemy. 153 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: Effectively, we're proudly we're speaking to Nelly Balls or book 154 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: by the Way, Morning after the Revolution, Dispatches from the 155 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Wrong Side of History, and I just say, our producer 156 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: Ali Clay read the entire thing. We get books, We 157 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: get books and top books, the top books. We get 158 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: like books for people I've never heard of before, books 159 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: and foreign languages, like we got books everywhere here. For 160 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: one of our producers to go and read it cover 161 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: to cover and then make sure that Nelly comes on 162 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: I think says something about what's in it. I just 163 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: want to pose this one to you, Nelly, for me. Actually, 164 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: it felt like the Tom Cotton op ed was. I 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: know a lot of people felt this way a turning point. 166 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: A sitting senator making an argument on the editorial page 167 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: is unacceptable to the rest of the tribe, so to speak. 168 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: Inside the Times, how did that play out? 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 5: I think, I mean at this point we've all read 170 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: a lot about how that played out, and how it 171 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 5: played out was basically internally within the Times, every good 172 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: reporter had to get together and tweet the same tweet. 173 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 5: We were all supposed to tweet that this op ed 174 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: puts our black colleagues in danger, that a sitting senator 175 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 5: saying to call in cops, to call in the National 176 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: Guard to quell some of the riots puts our colleagues 177 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 5: somehow in danger. And if you didn't post that message, 178 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 5: you were on the wrong side, and you would start 179 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 5: people would notice, they reach out right, Yeah, And so 180 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: I was never canceled. I'm not here like with a 181 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 5: tiny violin complaining like our life is great. We now 182 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 5: have the Free Press like things are fabulous. At the 183 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 5: time when I was there as a staffer, when I 184 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 5: didn't post the tweet and try to cancel that the 185 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 5: young editor who was behind that op ed, or was 186 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 5: one of the editors behind it, that was kind of 187 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 5: my end of my time there. It was sort of 188 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 5: the line drawn in the sand by the movement, and 189 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 5: it said, you have to post something irrational, You have 190 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 5: to post something that we all kind of know is 191 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 5: a lie. The op ed doesn't put lives in danger, 192 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: but you have to do that, and if you don't, 193 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 5: then you're clearly not with us. So and that's not 194 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: coming from the top down. That's coming bottom up. And 195 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 5: I think a lot of what we're seeing in these 196 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: companies and in universities too right now with what's going 197 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 5: on campus, it's it's bottom up, and then the leadership 198 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 5: crumbles to it. So obviously then the editor, the opinion 199 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 5: section editor at the Times, after that piece Ran had 200 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 5: to resign. Was basically fucking a forced resignation. 201 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 6: Also, the last question for you, I encourage you have 202 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 6: everybody to go check it out and also check out 203 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 6: the Free Press. 204 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 5: Let me tell you to check out the Free Press. 205 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 6: Having read this book, I did a little bit of 206 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 6: player managing myself when I ran out Kick, and then 207 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 6: I sold it to Fox. I'm curious for you to 208 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 6: analyze what you think the future is of news and journalism. 209 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 6: I'm sure you thought about it a lot as you 210 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 6: wrote the book. You're having a lot of success at 211 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 6: the Free Press, which is a subscriber based platform. You're 212 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 6: a player manager, I would imagine, in some ways, along 213 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 6: with your wife and trying to manage this new era 214 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 6: of journalism and news. Are you optimistic that we come 215 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 6: through the Trump era, however it ends, and news is 216 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 6: in a better place. Or do you think we fragmented 217 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 6: and blown up to such an extent that everybody just 218 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 6: goes and finds their shard of reality and there is 219 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 6: no sort of cohesive news industry anymore. 220 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: Where are we going? 221 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 5: I think the new world of media upstarts is obviously 222 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 5: so exciting guys like Real Player who are coming up 223 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 5: to push against the legacy press and to have the 224 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 5: old values but in slightly new formats. What are we 225 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 5: at the Free Press. We're a newsletter that's now a website, 226 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 5: we have a podcast. We're not doing anything revolutionary in 227 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 5: terms of form. What's revolutionary is we're doing old fashioned 228 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 5: journalism with the skill sets and the values of the 229 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 5: old world, but the freedom and curiosity of the new 230 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 5: And I'm really optimistic about us, obviously, but others too. 231 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 5: I'm optimistic about a bunch of new media up starts. 232 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 5: And then what in my dream world happens is then 233 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 5: all of these upstarts start to pressure the legacy media 234 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 5: to be more honest, to get better, to improve itself, 235 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 5: and so hopefully the free press ends up making the 236 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 5: New York Times a better place and making NPR a 237 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 5: better place. Hopefully it makes a better ecosystem, a more 238 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 5: honest one. I think no one wants to be lied to, 239 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 5: and no one wants even your political adversaries, no one 240 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: wants them fed laws. 241 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: About the future as well. This is great. I'm going 242 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 3: to read the book. 243 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 6: To bucks point Ally's point, we get a lot of books. 244 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 6: I'm very fascinated to read yours. Keep up the good work. 245 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 6: Congrats on the book coming out, and hopefully we'll talk 246 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 6: to you again soon. 247 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me on your producers. 248 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 5: A very smart woman. 249 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: We agree it. 250 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Bucks. Second, 251 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm pretty into coffee. I'm pretty in the coffee. I'm 252 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: not I'm not going to say that. Like I mean, 253 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: I've been drinking coffee every day. I'm pretty sure I 254 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: started in high school. 255 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 6: Oh really all the way back. See, I've started here 256 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 6: the last few years because I love it. 257 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: Now. 258 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 6: This is one where I listen to my wife. Listen 259 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 6: to your wives out there. I drink a lot of soda. 260 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 6: I love Mountain dew. I still do, but I was like, 261 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 6: I'm getting you know, I'm forty five now, I don't 262 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 6: know that I gain a lot by drinking soda, and 263 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 6: so this is way healthier. I drink black coffee usually 264 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 6: throw ice in it. You can watch me live drinking 265 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 6: it throughout the course of this show. 266 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: I kind of love it. I like going to coffee 267 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: shops now. 268 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: I feel like a little bit like of au indoor 269 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: scarf when you go to the coffee shop. 270 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: Very important to go star. 271 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 6: I have to have some some measure of sanity. 272 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: But I love it. I even get this, maybe a downer. 273 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 6: I even now will get espresso martinis when I go 274 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 6: into a uh into a bar. Sometimes this guy's talking 275 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 6: the guy who loves espresso martinis and the British Royal 276 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 6: family is talking. Man, I understand. I understand if a 277 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 6: lot of you can't trust me anymore. I usually my 278 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 6: standard I like beer, obviously, uh, but usually my standard 279 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 6: liquor drink is an old fashion, big fan of old fashions, 280 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 6: like Buffalo Trace and all of their lineage of whiskeys, bourbons, 281 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 6: all that stuff. But I love a smoked old fashion. 282 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 6: Now I'm really kind of getting into the espresso martini. 283 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 6: I don't know what percentage of men by espresso martinis 284 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 6: versus women. 285 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: It's a good question. It's not a lot you think. 286 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: So here's the deal. 287 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 6: I've been noticing a lot more men drinking espresso martinis 288 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 6: because of the coffee. You want a little bit of 289 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 6: a liquor, but you want some caffeine and you don't 290 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 6: want to go Red Bull, right, red Bull vodka. 291 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: Remember when Red Bull vodkas were really popular. 292 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody orders Red Bull vodka anymore, 293 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 6: but it used to be the drink when you're like 294 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 6: kind of need a little bit of a pick me up. 295 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 6: The espresso martini actual coffee in it, it's really good, 296 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 6: but so crocket coffee. 297 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: Yes, Crocketcffee dot comm it's why you need that delicious, 298 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: wonderful Crockett coffee. And yeah, I I want. Do we 299 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: have a few, call, I've lost them. If we had them, 300 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: I had them up a second ago. 301 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 6: No, I'm getting lit up already by the espresso Martini. 302 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 6: It would help if the glass was more masculine. I 303 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 6: think the espresso Martini would sell ten times as much 304 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 6: to men if they just put it in a whiskey 305 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 6: glass as opposed to the Martine glass. What's the point 306 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 6: you were talking earlier about the wineglass? What is the 307 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 6: point someone tell me of a Martini glass other than 308 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 6: the way it looks. 309 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: Well, one thing is they can they can actually pour 310 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: a lot less liquor into it. It looks like it 311 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: holds more volume than it does because of the shape. 312 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: It's a bit of an optical illusion. You have far 313 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: less booze in a Martini glass than you realize. 314 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 6: That probably is true, But I mean, like, what would 315 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 6: is there is there a taste component that would make 316 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 6: it not work in a whiskey glass. No, definitely, So 317 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 6: maybe that's what I need to do. I need to 318 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 6: just order it in a whiskey glass as opposed to 319 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 6: a martine. 320 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: One who's telling me that your wife gets hates when 321 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: they do the three dollars charge for ice at the bar? 322 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: Or is that somebody else telling me this? Or at 323 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: a restaurant some places? 324 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 3: Trying to know this occurred? 325 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: Oh yes, Oh, I thought it was you, but must 326 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: have been one of my Miami people. Have you guys 327 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: ever heard of this? They will actually charge you extra 328 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: if you get a drink on the rocks? 329 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: What the ice? 330 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: I had never heard of this either, but I have 331 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: asked around a little bit, and apparently this is a 332 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: thing in some places. They charge you more for the ice. 333 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: Oh, that's just charge more for the drink, Like that's 334 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: how I always feel. Oh that I. 335 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 6: Mean, first of all, the ice has become fancier. I 336 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 6: get it, maybe a little bit, Like you know, the 337 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 6: block of ice is very cool. A lot of times 338 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 6: now the ice will have a logo in it or whatever. 339 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 6: I love I'm saying earlier the smoked old fashion that 340 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 6: they literally will light it. It feels like you're drinking basically 341 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 6: a campfire, which, believe it or not, is pretty incredible. 342 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 6: Like you're sitting around having smores around the campfire. I 343 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 6: love the smoked old fashioned flavor and taste, but charging 344 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 6: for ice is frankly beyond the pail. 345 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: Well so that they claim now that it's actually because 346 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: if you get it on the rocks there's additional booze, 347 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: So that I think is a little bit more because yeah, 348 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: someone told me they got up charge for getting something 349 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: on the rocks. It was an extra three dollars charge. 350 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: But I guess that's because there's more liquor involved in it. 351 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 352 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: I don't drink very much, so I don't know these things. 353 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 2: I do drink a lot of coffee, however, so that's 354 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: the important thing. Okay, In case you're wondering, what do 355 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: I drink? Crockett Coffee dot com? How many that is 356 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: what I drink? 357 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: Crocket Coffee dot Com. 358 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 6: How many places do you think analyze Michigan school shooting, 359 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 6: Morgan Wallen throwing a chair off the roof talk to 360 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 6: a sitting senator in the space of three hours. 361 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: I think the range of this show has to exceed 362 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: the range of almost any show in America on a 363 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: day to day basis. That's fair. 364 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 2: I mean, we're utility players here, you know what. I mean, 365 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: you put us in any position and we'll deliver for 366 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: the coach and for the audience. 367 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 6: Do not throw chairs off the roofs of balconies, but 368 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 6: if you do, make sure that it's over a love dispute. 369 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: If you're a country music singer. 370 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 371 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We are joined 372 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: now by our friend Riley Gaines. She's got a new 373 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: book out, Swimming Against the Current, fighting for common sense 374 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: in the world that has lost its mind. It comes 375 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 2: out today, Swimming Against the Current, because she's a great swimmer, 376 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: so that all makes sense. And she's also at OutKick, 377 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: which Clay founded. And Riley, thanks for being here with us. 378 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: So how how do you think it's going? As people 379 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: see you are speaking of college campuses across the country 380 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: we've had you want to talk about how some of 381 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: that has gone. The left gets very upset when you 382 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: say men or men, women are women. These aren't the 383 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: same thing. But I'm sure you saw this this male 384 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: track star that was just absolutely annihilating his female competition 385 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: because he says he's a woman. Now, where where does 386 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: the fact, where does the fight stand. Where does the 387 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: battle stand? 388 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: Right now? 389 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 7: Well, Buck, let me clarify one thing really quick. In 390 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 7: your intro you said I'm a great swimmer. I call 391 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 7: myself a swimmer. Nowadays I'd probably drown if I got 392 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 7: in the water. 393 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: But look, I'm very buoyant. That's my that's my special 394 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: Hey for me too. 395 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 7: Now, look, this issue, of course, it's it's becoming more 396 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 7: and more common. 397 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 8: It keeps happening at every level. 398 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 7: We see it at colleges, we see at high schools, 399 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 7: we see at middle schools, we see it at elementary schools. 400 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 7: This story you're referring to, actually I don't even know 401 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 7: which one, because there were multiple stories this past week 402 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 7: in Track and Field of boys annihilating girls. We saw 403 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 7: it in Washington, we saw it in Oregon. It's insane, 404 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 7: is what it is. But you ask me where the 405 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 7: issue stands. While we keep seeing these negative stories, I 406 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 7: really and truly do believe that the tide is turning. 407 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 7: I believe every day people are waking up. Speaking to 408 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 7: the story in Oregon we saw for really the first 409 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 7: time again it's the same story. A mediocre man becomes 410 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 7: a record smash on the women's side, he won the 411 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 7: state championship in the women's two hundred meter dash. He 412 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 7: stands atop the podium and the crowd booed. That would 413 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 7: not have happened two years ago. So I think it's 414 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 7: a telltale sign that people are waking up, people are 415 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 7: understanding that no one is immune to this. I think 416 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 7: so many of us thought before we've seen the trajectory 417 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 7: of this. 418 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 6: Now, Riley, what is the Biden administration? First of all, 419 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 6: congrats on the book. Second, what is the Biden administration 420 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 6: trying to do with the way that they defined Title nine, 421 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 6: which could potentially enshrine men pretending to be women in 422 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 6: women's athletics all across the spectrum of competition. 423 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 3: What are they doing? 424 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not even what they're trying to do, Clay, 425 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 7: it's what they have done. The Biden administration has rewritten. 426 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 7: They rewrote Title nine. Of course, Title nine was the 427 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 7: federal civil rights law that once prevented sex based discrimination 428 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 7: on educational programs that receive federal funding colleges, YMCAs, things 429 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 7: like that, high schools, even But what they have done 430 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 7: they have taken this thirty seven word, only thirty seven 431 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 7: words in its original implementation in nineteen seventy two, with 432 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 7: one word being activity, which I think allowed Title nine 433 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 7: to be what it was most notable for in giving 434 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 7: equal opportunities in sports, of course a lot broader than that, 435 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 7: but what's most notable for. They took this thirty seven 436 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 7: word piece of legislation and rewrote it to a almost 437 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 7: half a million word proposal five and seventy seven pages long. Again, 438 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 7: from thirty seven words, that's insane, But really, what this 439 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 7: does is it equates, in a nutshell, it equates sex 440 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 7: to gender identity. So instead of sex based protections, now 441 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 7: there are protections enshrined by your gender identity. This now 442 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 7: means that men would have full access to bathrooms, locker rooms, 443 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 7: changing spaces this men's means that men can potentially be 444 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 7: housed in dorm rooms with women. This means that men 445 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 7: can now take academic and athletic scholarships away from women. 446 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 8: Your speech would be compelled. 447 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 7: So if you write a professor or a student, if 448 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 7: you use the biologically incorrect pronouns the preferred pronouns of, 449 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 7: if you don't use preferred renowns, then you would be 450 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 7: guilty in charge with sexual harassment under this new rewrite, 451 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 7: not the man creating around your locker room. No to 452 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 7: President Biden, he's said several times, those are some of 453 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 7: the most brave and inspiring people he's ever seen. But 454 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 7: you calling a spade a spade is grounds for sexual harassment. 455 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: It's insane. 456 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: But this is the country, unfortunately, that we are increasingly 457 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: forced to live in. And we're speaking to Riley Gaines. 458 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: She's got a new book out today, Swimming against the 459 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: current rally. If I am correct here, and I say 460 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: that thinking that I'm almost always correct, you have put 461 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: out their challenges to different people who want a debate 462 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: on this issue. Is there anyone who will publicly, anyone 463 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: of note who will publicly debate that men do not 464 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: have an advantage over women as competitors in athletics? 465 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: Like, has anyone taken you up on this of note? 466 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: Or does everyone just push for the policy and then 467 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: run away when you ask. 468 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: For an open exchange of ideas on it. 469 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 7: We've made public calls for debate on this show. I 470 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 7: know we've publicly called on Keith Olberman, that guy, we've 471 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 7: publicly called on Megan Rappino. I'll go even further. I 472 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 7: would love to talk with Billy Jean King. What a 473 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 7: more I guess, notable person to talk to on this topic, 474 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 7: given the fact that she's really who we have to 475 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 7: accredit Title nine too. She played in the Battle of 476 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 7: the Sexes and she won and it was this huge feat. 477 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 478 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 7: Well, now Billy jen King is actively fighting for male 479 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 7: inclusion into women's sports and women's spaces. No, I've reached 480 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 7: out to CNN, I've reached out to MSNBC, and I've 481 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 7: either gotten no response or they've responded back and said, 482 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 7: we're not going to give. 483 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 8: You a platform to spread your hate. But you know 484 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 8: what that tells me. 485 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 7: It tells me that they don't have a rebuttal for 486 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 7: anything that I'm saying. 487 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 8: Right, what happened to follow the science? They are not. 488 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 8: They are certainly not doing that now, Riley. 489 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 6: I encourage everybody to go check out your book and 490 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 6: to share it with their daughters and also their sons, 491 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 6: because I think people increasingly are coming around to how 492 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 6: crazy this is. But I know you saw this. We 493 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 6: shared it at OutKick. One of our writers got Don 494 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 6: Staley to say that a man identifying as a woman 495 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 6: should be able to compete in women's college basketball. In 496 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 6: her opinion, We then reach she's the national champion University 497 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 6: of South Carolina women's basketball coach. 498 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: For people who don't know. 499 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 6: OutKick then reached out to fifteen other women's NC DOUBLEA 500 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 6: tournament coaches, in particular, every women's coach that made the 501 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 6: sweet sixteen of the NCUBLEA Tournament. What does it say 502 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 6: that Don Staley said yes, men should be. 503 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: Able to play. 504 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 6: The other fifteen wouldn't even answer outkicks question. I do 505 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 6: think we're winning this battle, but how much cowardice is 506 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 6: there still out there? 507 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 8: It's in every realm. That's why our nation. 508 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 7: I believe our nation is in decline for several reasons, 509 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 7: one of which we live in a godless society. But two, 510 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 7: it's because we have weak week leaders. Again at every level. 511 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 7: We have Week leaders in academia, we have Week leaders 512 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 7: in corporate America. We have week leaders of course within 513 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 7: our government, even our spiritual leaders. So it seems are 514 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 7: unwilling to take a stand on these topics that they 515 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 7: have deemed controversial. But let's be very clear, it is 516 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 7: the least controversial thing to say that both sexes of 517 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 7: are deserving of equal opportunities. How in the world have 518 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 7: we reached a point in time where it's controversial to 519 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 7: say that women deserve privacy and areas of undressing. I 520 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 7: mean that would have been common since five years ago, 521 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 7: a DA would have followed a man who goes into 522 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 7: a woman's bathroom into a woman's locker room, into that 523 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 7: locker room and arrested him on charges of sexual harassment, voyeurism, 524 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 7: and decent exposure. The list goes on. But now, as 525 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 7: I said, it's deemed brave, we are told we are 526 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 7: the problem if we oppose this. So again the coward 527 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 7: is Yes, it's incredibly sad because I can guarantee you 528 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 7: I really can, even speaking for Don Staley. I shouldn't 529 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 7: say speaking for but I imagine she knows the differences 530 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 7: between men and women. 531 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 8: No one would know who Don Staley. 532 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 7: Was if she wasn't afforded the rights to play women's basketball. 533 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 7: And look, that's not to say she wasn't an incredible athlete. 534 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 7: She obviously had an incredible coaching career. I think her 535 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 7: record the last three years was one hundred and nine 536 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 7: and three. I mean that's unheard of. But she can 537 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 7: be two things at once, a great coach but also 538 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 7: a sellout and that's exactly what she's proven herself to be. 539 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 3: Riley Gaines. 540 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: Everybody the book swimming against the current, fighting for common 541 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: sense in the world that's lost its mind out today. 542 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 3: Get your copy. Riley Gaines, thank you for doing what 543 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: you do. 544 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: Appreciate it. 545 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 8: I appreciate you, guys, so thank. 546 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: You, thank you very much. I don't know if you heard. 547 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 2: President Trump apparently appreciates this too. 548 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I saw that he gave a shout out. 549 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 6: He was trying to impress Riley in Lexington, which not 550 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 6: a bad move by him, because she's pretty popular in Kentucky. 551 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 6: And let's be honest, Kentucky Wildcats don't have a lot 552 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: of athletic success of late to be celebrating, particularly in 553 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 6: the SEC they need Riley back. 554 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 3: I think she might be off the mic because that's 555 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: the only way I can take it. 556 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 4: Hoe. 557 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 7: No, no, no, I'm just waiting to make some common 558 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 7: about Rocky Top here, Clay. 559 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 8: I'm biting my tongue, That's what I'm doing. 560 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, maybe this is your year in 561 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 3: football for the first time in eighty. 562 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 8: That is what Tennessee fans have said for so long. 563 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 8: Next year is our year. Next year is our year. 564 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 8: I'll be waiting, Clay. 565 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have ever been to 566 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 2: a dinner party where people started screaming at each other 567 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: in a foreign language, But that's kind. 568 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 4: Of how I feel. 569 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 5: Right. 570 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to the sec, Buck, This is what it's. 571 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 7: Like November second, Neeland Stadium. Clay, We'll see you there. 572 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: Balls all right, good good stuff. Gonna get Google Translate 573 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: going here. 574 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 575 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal had a piece about the best way 576 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 6: to vacation. 577 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: I think if you and I have. 578 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 6: Major, major beef that may come out here over the 579 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 6: best way to have vacations. But I want you to 580 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 6: share with the people the advice that the Wall Street 581 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 6: Journal gave, given the fact that it's now Memorial Day weekend, effectively. 582 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: And hat tip to Jeff Gallac who wrote this piece 583 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: for the Journal in their travel section, how to have 584 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: a great vacation. What science tells us, So follow the science. 585 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: Fauci Is this fauci science or is this real science? 586 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 6: No? 587 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 3: I think no. 588 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: These are all smart things, so this is real science, 589 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: not fauci science. 590 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 3: I think, Okay, I hope. 591 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 6: So when you're trying to make sure that everybody has 592 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 6: a fabulous Memorial Day weekend if you are traveling based 593 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 6: on the science according to the Wall Street Journal. 594 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: All right, so there are a couple of core principles here. 595 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: I want to share with all of you. This might 596 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: be the most important thing you hear on radio all week. 597 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: All right, because this will affect your life. First thing 598 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: for having a great vacation. And I think this is 599 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: where Clay and I are in a rock eam sock 600 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: em Donnybrook, if you will this guy there, Yeah, thank you, sir. 601 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 4: Gaalac says, do less. 602 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: And here's what he writes. 603 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: If you love the beach, you should get in as 604 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: many beach days as possible. If you love an art museum, 605 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: go see every painting. Sounds logical, but only if you 606 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: want to have a not so enjoyable vacation. One of 607 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: the primary reasons vacations fall flat is because of an 608 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: inalienable truth about hedonic consumption. Enjoyment declines with time. So 609 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: basically he's saying, don't overdo any one thing. 610 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: And what I said to Clay is I get to 611 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: the beach. And maybe it's because. 612 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: I'm pale and Anglo Irish in origin and can't tan 613 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: and you know whatever. You could throw all these calumnies 614 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: at me, But I go to the beach. After two hours, 615 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, I need to get inside of air conditioning 616 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: and read a book. Right, Like, you don't need to 617 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: You don't need to have six Margerita's day one, have one. 618 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: You don't need to go to every museum in the place. 619 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: Only go to the ones with cool war stuff. What 620 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: do you You seem to think that you can go 621 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: all in and there's no problem. 622 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 6: Well, so my thing is it depends on the type 623 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 6: of vacation that you are scheduled to have. So when 624 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 6: I went to Italy last year, which i'd never been to, 625 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 6: I took my family. I want to see as much 626 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 6: of Italy as I can because I don't know if 627 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 6: I'll ever get to go again, for instance, But at 628 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 6: one point my youngest kid was like another church, which 629 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 6: was very funny because obviously we're going into all these old, 630 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 6: you know, esteemed historic churches all over Italy, and I 631 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 6: enjoyed them all. But I understand the point of if 632 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 6: you were a first grader or a second grader, you're 633 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 6: like dad. Another old church, another old cathedral. I get it, 634 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 6: so I understand that. 635 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: But I think. 636 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 6: And then we went to Australia, two places that I've 637 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 6: wanted to go my whole life. I want to see 638 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 6: at all because I don't know that I'm ever going 639 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 6: to be back there. But if I go to a 640 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 6: beach and my kids are now old enough that I 641 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 6: don't have to say sit terrified about every time they 642 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 6: get close to the water, which every parent or grandparent 643 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 6: with a young child will understand. It's not fun necessarily 644 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 6: to be at the pool or to be at the 645 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 6: beach when you've got a young kid who doesn't swim 646 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 6: very well. You got to have your head on a swivel. 647 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 6: You can't have many marguerite as, you can't have many beers. 648 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 6: I want to just do nothing. So this weekend I 649 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 6: would be very happy where I'm going to the beach 650 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 6: if I don't have to go more than one mile 651 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 6: in either direction and there is virtually nothing accomplished at 652 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 6: all that's other than hanging out. 653 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: You're agreeing with the science here, he says, do less. 654 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: The point here is just don't overdo anything that you're 655 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: doing not doing anything isn't a thing you can really 656 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: do too much of. I just meant too many hours 657 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: in the sun directly, but like he's talking about how 658 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: you shouldn't show up and schedule out in hourly increments 659 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: or something like that. Yeah, your vacation, so you're actually 660 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 2: we did so. 661 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 6: He did that in Italy and Australia. I think it 662 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 6: matters what the vacation is. Like some vacations, the goal 663 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 6: is I just want to chill, I want to sleep, 664 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 6: I want to have a few drings. 665 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: Clay is going against the science once again. I will 666 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: say this. 667 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 6: You were talking about how easily you sunburned. I don't 668 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 6: know if you even heard this. And we had our 669 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 6: eighteen hour photo shoot last week. When you left, I 670 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 6: came in and they were like, oh, your skin is 671 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 6: actually tannible, unlike your radio show co host. We're going 672 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 6: to have to change the coloration on the shots that 673 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 6: we're taking because of how pale he was. 674 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: I don't even think you heard this. Shots fired, shots fired. 675 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: Look at this right before the holiday week. 676 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 6: No get they were like, I didn't know how anybody 677 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 6: could be wider than Buck was. 678 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: We're going to have to adjust the color filters. Here. Now, 679 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to. 680 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 6: I might end up looking like Kramer on Seinfeld back 681 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 6: in the day when he got in the tanning bed 682 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 6: for too long. I don't know what the final shots 683 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 6: are going to look like, but there was an acknowledgment 684 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 6: that you were super white and they were going to 685 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 6: have to adjust the color filters when I came in 686 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 6: for the photos. 687 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 3: That's not nice, all right. 688 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: Limit your choices is the second one here. This is 689 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: I think actually this is a bigger lesson for life. Uh, 690 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: limit your choices when planning a trip. It's critical to 691 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: compare hotels, tours, restaurants. Make the best possible choices. He says, 692 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: not so fast. Don't look at all the options. Look 693 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: at the options and find a good option. I'm gonna 694 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: tell you, Yeah, people that did. People that get their 695 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: light out at the restaurant on the menu and they're 696 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: looking at a legal contract. Stop being lame. You know, 697 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: basic boots on the menu. Look, go with what your 698 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: eye gets drawn to. You don't read it like you're 699 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: reading a legal document. You figure out you do a 700 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: little bit of artistry here, you go a little bit 701 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: of this, little bit of that, and you just go with. 702 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: Something you're gonna like. You don't have to read every 703 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: side and know everything. 704 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: And when it comes to hotels, you find a place, Oh, 705 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna like that place you don't have to get 706 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: into the most you know, obscure review websites. To make 707 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: make sure that you compare who gives you, you know, 708 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: better amenities or something for the thirty dollars amenities fee. 709 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 6: I agree with this, this bit of advice, because there's 710 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 6: nothing worse than going out to dinner with someone who 711 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 6: thinks that what they order for the dinner is going 712 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 6: to define their life's success for the next ten years. 713 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 6: And they sit there and they are terrified about it. 714 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 6: Maybe I'm unique. There's like eight things on every menu 715 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 6: that I would be fine with eating. I don't assume 716 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 6: that there's a massive drop off between choice and one 717 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 6: and choice two. 718 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: Right, And this is he calls it choice overload. And 719 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: when you're I believe you're on vacation, he says you 720 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 2: want to be what he calls a satisficer, a person 721 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: who finds the first acceptable, acceptable option. 722 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 3: And accepts it. The as set of a maximizer who's 723 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: trying to find the. 724 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: Absolute best, the absolute best, the absolute best is an illusion. 725 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: You gotta find good enough. 726 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: And I tell my wife this all the time, because 727 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: she'll be like, I got a great I'm just she 728 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: can hear me right now. She's gonna yell at me, 729 00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: but she'll be like, I got a great deal of 730 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 2: cost And then she'd be like, oh my gosh. Two 731 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: weeks later she'd be like, I could have gotten a 732 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: better deal at Costco. 733 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, you got a good deal. It's 734 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: a good deal is good enough. We don't have to 735 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: like go on a time machine or something to get 736 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 3: a better deal. A good deal is a good deal.