WEBVTT - Scooby-Doo (2002) 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:02.160 On the Bechdel cast. 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:05.680 The questions asked if movies have women and them, are 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.440 all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.960 have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zephim fast, start changing it 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.160 with the Bechdel cast. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:24.840 Railro and welcome to the rectal cast, not the rectal cast. Yes, Caitlin, 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:26.400 the rectal cast. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:27.680 That's disgusting. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.720 Rye ram is rait Lynn. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.040 You said the rectal cast. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:35.960 Yes, I am familiar and I'm aware. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:42.000 Yeah, okay, we're welcome to the rectel cast. My ram 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:50.400 is ramy raptus. And I resent how Scooby would introduce 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.279 us the rectal cast, the rectal. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.920 Cast, which you know, so be it so be it. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:02.600 Scoobysh celet Scooby it Scooby it? Which celebrity thought that 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.959 the Bechdel test was called the rectal test? 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:06.880 Did that happen? 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.679 It was someone? Yes, whoa let me look it up. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.800 You know who's been on Scooby who Joey Chestman? 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:19.840 Wait what that doesn't pass the rectal test, but actually, 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.560 anything involving Joey does pass the rectal test due to 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.880 how many hot dogs he eats, but it does not 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.560 pass the Bechdel Test due to the fact that he's 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.399 a man. Anyways, Yeah, he was in uh, he was 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:36.080 in an episode of Scooby Doo. It was a thrilling 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.760 day for me as a Scooby fan and most importantly 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.399 as Joey's wife. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:47.160 Of course, it was Diane Lane who accidentally called the 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.200 Bechtel test the rectal test. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.280 I've got to be honest, I do feel like she's 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.360 well within her rights, and I hope that no one 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:59.880 corrected her. That's pretty iconic. Okay, So the Joey episode 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:01.160 actually came out in the last. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:01.920 Couple of years. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:06.600 It's a new Scooby venture called Scooby Doo and guess who? 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.480 And guess who joe. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.280 Joey Tesmutt who passes the rectal test with flying covers 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.400 colors every fourth of July. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.440 Yeah, of course. Well, speaking of hot dogs, there's that 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.560 part in this movie where Shaggy is like, hey, that 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.080 reminds me of the time that I tried to eat 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.480 the guy in the hot dog costume. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:33.000 Started on this, I also was thinking, what was my 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.440 all Right, we have to introduce the show because this 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:36.360 is the main feed episode. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:42.040 Welcome to the Vexel Cast. What was the rectal rest retrod. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.880 Where are we saying rectal unprecedented levels this week? 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.959 It's true. My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.560 Caitlin Derunte, and this is our show where we examine 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:59.679 movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the rectal rest. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:05.959 Which is the rio retrick prevented by Ralis and Rechdel, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.000 sometimes called the real. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:11.280 If this is your first. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.440 Episode, you should probably pick a different episode to listen 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:14.240 to the first time. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:15.239 Uh. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.960 There's a lot of different versions of the rectal test, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.040 but we use our our very own special version. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.040 But Kaitlyn, what, what the fuck is it? 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.760 Well? Our version is that two characters of a marginalized 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:35.000 gender must have names. They must speak to each other Scooby, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:40.960 doesn't you know, Shaggy their boys. But if Velma and 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.840 Daphne talk to each other about something other than a man, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.040 they can't be talking about something other than Scooby. Then 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:49.680 it passes. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.640 I think we should we should make our test more. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.320 I can feel a chaotic episode coming on, I really can. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.480 Yeah, I think we should make a special exception for today, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.480 or just maybe a general addition to our version of 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:10.680 the rectal rest, where nowhere it does pass if you're 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:11.480 talking about Scooby. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.560 Oh, okay, so like an Alfred Molina kind of thing. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.400 Yeah, exactly Did I ever tell you about my like? 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.960 I like, there's a lot of. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:25.160 Like stale Jamie bits that are going to be connected 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.640 to this episode. First of all, Matthew Lillard. I was 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.159 trying to remember what the fuck I was saying about Matthew. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.560 I think I was pretending to be his assistant. Was 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:35.839 that it? 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.960 Or I would be like Willard, No, he was my assistant. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.159 Matthew Lillard was my assistant in my in my little 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:44.960 fantasy life. And I was making him bring me I 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.000 think tuna on crackers. It could have been, oh, or 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.400 maybe soup. I kind of remember this was this, Oh, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.680 I think Lillard was bringing me soup and he was 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.960 dropping this soup and I was yelling at him. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.640 Was this on the Scream episode? Maybe I forget why 0:04:58.720 --> 0:04:59.760 wee would have I. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.800 Believe that that would have been. It could have also been, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.799 and I think it maybe made a comeback. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.680 In the what's that one on a Rider movie where 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.360 they're just complain and complain and complain, And he's in 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:09.960 that one too. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.039 We covered it last year. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.599 I swear to god reality bites. Yes, no he's not 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:18.200 in that is he? 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:19.239 Wait? 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.839 No a m I no, no, because no, I'm thinking 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.240 of Steve's on But. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.040 He is in Hackers. I think he is in Hackers. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.040 How long has it been since we've covered a Lillard 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.080 original and we haven't done SLC Punk and we should 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.360 at some point we should. I've only seen that movie 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.159 once and it was the only time I've done Molly, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.520 and I was like, why would you do Molly and 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.920 then watch SLC Punk alone? Not alone, to be clear, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:47.719 not alone with a friend. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.880 Oh okay, congrats. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:51.880 Thank you, thank you. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.760 There was the bit about matth Miller being my assistant, 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.800 and you're right making me soup. I think I'm going 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:59.480 to bail on it. I think I'm going to bayl 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.400 on it for two. But I do have another Scooby, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:03.200 but I'd like to share. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:04.880 This is a longer term one. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:05.800 Okay. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.760 I used to have this dream, not like a but 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.359 like a wish, a cherished wish it kind of dream 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:18.279 in which, at every pivotal point in my life, I 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.839 thought it would be really funny if there was someone 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:26.440 wearing a Scooby costume, just also in the room in 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.679 a way that would feel so bizarre that I would 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.200 want people to feel like they were dreaming if they attended. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.680 So I'm talking about like a wedding that is a 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.520 very standard wedding, but someone in the audience or the 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.480 not the audience, god depressing. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.680 The pews or whatever the states, is wearing. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.040 A Scooby costume and like no attention is brought to it. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.279 I'm talking I'm giving birth delivery room. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.960 Ohoa, Scooby, this Skuby be there. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.279 Yeah, all the way through my funeral, when I've you know, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:58.680 shuffled off this mortal coil. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.680 I think it would be fun for there to be 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:06.640 just someone in a Scooby suit. Now each important turn 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.719 in my life? 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.160 Is this a like a lifelong dream you've had or this. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.680 Has been something I've been talking about since high school? 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.440 Oh? Whoa, Yeah, okay I have if I were. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.120 I'm not at my apartment at the moment, but if 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.880 i were, I could show you. An illustration that I've 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.040 done of me is a self portrait. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:31.640 There's two Jamie's. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.400 It's much like the Free to call it Self portrait 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.480 where she's sitting across from another Freedom. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.000 It's that but it's me and. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.840 Between us is a Scooby interesting So it has been 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.560 a cherished wish for a long time. And I'll say 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.520 it's not too late because the very arbitrary life quote 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.760 unquote accomplishments I was listing, none of them have happened. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.520 And so not too late for Scooby at the wedding, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.880 not too late for Scooby in the delivery room, not 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.120 too late for. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.000 Or Scooby at the funeral. Yeah, Scooby at the funeral. Wait, 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.080 what is that? Is a sun Dance movie waiting to happen? 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.320 Yeah? Okay, so you should write it. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.200 I guess all right, I'm not going to talk for 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.160 the rest of the episode. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:17.360 Is that okay? 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.080 Yeah, I'll take overs. We should talk. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.200 About the Matreon because this this episode is happening in 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.280 this way, Yes, due to the fact that our listener 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.680 base has really gone off the rails. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.600 It's true, run off the rails, like it? 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.560 Yeah, exactly. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.760 So we are covering Scooby Doo two thousand and two 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.760 because we had put a request out to our matrons 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:49.080 on the Matreon asking what horror movies that we have 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.520 not yet covered that they would like us to cover 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.720 for the month of October, and not. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.760 To be fair, should we have put Scooby Doo two 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.600 thousand and two under horror movies we haven't covered? 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:07.000 Some might say, now, well, well here's what happened. So 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.240 eventually it became a poll that the matrons voted on, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.200 but before that we were just submitting any request. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.480 And you sickos. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.480 Maybe it was my fault with the wording of the 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.600 original post because I just said spooky movie rather than 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:23.760 like a horror movie. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.760 I would say that, yeah, that does pretty closely, and 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:31.040 you got the double oh, sounds like it's Scooby Doo. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.120 More like spooky Doo. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.000 It's giving Scooby, it's giving Scooby. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:38.559 Okay, sorry, I'm listening. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.720 Okay. So I remember the requests flooded in and there 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.640 were six that ended up on the pole, the most 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:50.480 frequently requested movies, and one of them was Scooby Doo 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.439 two thousand and two. So we put it on the pole. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.040 I thought it would be like maybe somewhere in the middle, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:01.439 towards closer to the last place. Unbelievable response by a landslide. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.400 I think did a lap around the closest competitor, Like, yeah, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.520 I don't know what are you all every listener on 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.839 this show the exact same age, like what, I don't 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.319 understand what the but I do think that I mean, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.480 well whatever, twenty year cycles, right, people have Scooby Doobe 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.640 Doo two thousand and two on the brain and they're 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.480 also I will shout out one of my favorite YouTubers 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:26.800 of all. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.720 Time, Mike's Mike did a barn burner of a video 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.240 about Scooby Dobe Doo two thousand and two just last year. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.800 Another YouTuber who I really like, named bread Sword, did 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.120 a very popular Scooby Doo video in the last couple 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.400 of years where he watched forty four Scooby Doo movies 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.320 Scooby Scooby's. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.920 Got his paw on the pulse again, let's just say 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:52.760 that he got. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:57.040 Joey, he got Joey or you Joey Chestnut and Joey Chess, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.920 not another person who's got his paw on the pulse while. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.640 We're talking about it. So apparently, I don't know if 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.160 this is an animated Scooby Doo movie or just maybe 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.439 the name of an episode of a Scooby series. I 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.760 think it actually might be a movie, though, there's something 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.120 called Scooby Doo in the Curse of the Thirteenth Ghost 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.319 that came out in twenty nineteen with Matthew Lillard voicing Shaggy. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.720 Matthew Lillard is also in a movie called Thirteen Ghosts, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.640 so is this a crossover kind of thing? 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.000 Well, and then also there's been Scooby Doo by Drama 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.640 Oh in the last couple of years, because I think 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.480 we talked about this on the podcast at the time, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.400 which is wild because I have no idea what the 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:40.840 conversation would have can I to do? 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.600 But one of I think the enduring of the many 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:49.719 enduring elements of Scooby do two thousand and two, this 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:56.920 like Matthew Lillard Shaggy specifically became Cannon Cannon. He still 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.200 does Shaggy to this day. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.840 He's done Shaggy one, two, three in three different series 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.920 this year alone. He is the canonical Shaggy. That has 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.360 not been true for anyone else in this cast. Not 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.280 to say that they weren't wonderful, but like usually voice 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.160 casting is. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.480 Pretty fluid, but not so. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.560 I mean, I think Lillard really just nailed it so 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:23.360 much that. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.240 He cornered that market. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.080 And God bless but if you recall, there was a 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:30.680 bit of drama. 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.440 Oh it's be a drama, Scoob. Yes, right, yes, the movie, Scoob. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:40.360 Thank you for remembering the drama surrounding Scoob. Yes, they 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.760 replaced Matthew Lillard. People were furious they were losing it. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.640 Will Forte Shaggy. I love will Forte, but it was wrong. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.440 It was wrong, and Lillard I think in a way 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.000 that I was like, all right, this is maybe a 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.040 bit much. He publicly responded and he was like, I'm 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.640 very disappointed to not have been cast in Scoop. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.400 It hurts, it feels bad. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.240 And the fans were outraged because Lillard's canon Shaggy. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.800 He loves being Shaggy. And I'm thrilled to report that. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:15.200 It really has appeared to have course corrected, because. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.800 You know that Scuba is twenty twenty. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.600 I remember watching it and early locked down and being like, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.240 this is the worst thing that's going to happen in 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.880 twenty twenty. No, like, that's that's how you know that. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.240 You know the world is in utter disarray. Lillard's not 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:29.240 even doing Shaggy. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.240 It's a mess. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.400 Unfortunately, within the year it was the fans they got 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.319 what they fucking wanted and he's. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:39.720 You know, he is our Shaggy again. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:40.640 Thank goodness. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.679 None of this passed the Bechtel test, but it is relevant, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.640 and that is how Scooby would say that word. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.319 He would say relevant. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.960 I think he actually would say relevant or zoinks? 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.600 Can I just say zoinx? 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:57.280 You can? 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:06.120 Oh God, bless this movie. What a treat. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.200 So anyways, if you're listening to this episode and you've 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.360 voted for Scooby Doo on the Matreon, this. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:12.959 Is your faults. 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.959 I hope you're happy, because I'm actually quite happy that 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.400 we are covering this movie. Same But if you're not 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.160 a member of the Matreon, here's a plug for it, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.560 because I mean, we couldn't be more biased. But it's 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.880 a treat. It's a treat for five bucks a month, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.440 you can get two bonus episodes. It's just me and Caitlin. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.640 It's a little more, you know. It's like a lighthearted, 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.200 fun vibe. Over on the Matreon, we usually choose a 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.760 theme every month. This month it's popular horror requests we 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:42.600 haven't gotten too. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:47.040 And so the reason that we shifted Scooby Doo over 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.640 to the main feed is because it won by such 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.040 a landslide, and we're like, well, if this many matrons 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.560 want it, surely this many people in general want it. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.960 So then on the Matreon this month we are covered 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.760 bring I Guess like second and third place, which basically 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.080 tied two votes apart. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.760 It felt it felt right, it felt right to do it, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.720 so we're doing it. Follows in Barbarian, which both also 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.600 take both take place in the Greater Detroit area and 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.680 are kind of more independent movies, so it feels like 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.880 a more appropriate match up over there. And if you 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.600 would or if you're interested in those episodes or hell, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.400 the like one hundred and fifty episodes of backlog we 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.640 have over in the Matreon, it is a mere five 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.600 dollars a month. It's a very fun community and as 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.840 you can tell by the episode we're doing right now, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:35.680 they're absolute menaces over there. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.520 They're always making us do all sorts of I think, 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:39.920 I truly, I'm trying to think of. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.200 Like for me, for me on the Matreon, I think 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.880 it's it's the Pinocchio Wars for me. That's where we 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.800 can really let our worst instincts fly free. We did 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.120 do a theme earlier this year that was every adaptation 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.000 of Pinocchio that came out in twenty twenty two, which 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.880 was three of them, including the poly sharp Pinocchio. So 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.800 if you really want some some deep cuts and some 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.600 fun discussions, that is where you can find them. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.640 But today serious discourse. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.720 On the main feed Scooby Doo two thousand and two. Now, Caitlin, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.720 what is your history with this movie? 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.520 And I would also say Scooby canon. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:23.360 Of course, I had never seen this movie before, no way, really, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.360 it's true, and I had never seen its sequel either, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:33.280 nor had I really seen any Scooby Do intellectual property. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.280 I fascinated where of the characters. You know, it has 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.600 permeated pop culture, you know, the zeitgeist if you will. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.720 So I just knew through cultural osmosis who all the 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.480 and maybe i'd like it was on in the background 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.800 at some point, but I never like actively sat down 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:58.600 and watched any Scooby show or anything like that. But 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.760 I you know, obviously you know Scooby and Scrappy and 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.640 Shaggy and Fred and Velma and Daphne. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.159 They're very Yeah, they're like peak cultural osmosis stuff. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.640 Yes, so, but yeah, I had never seen this movie 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.800 or I feel like sick much in the way of 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:20.000 any other Scooby Doo property. But I was, you know, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.440 keeping my eye on the pole and saw that Scooby 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.840 Doo was taking the lead by a lot. I was like, well, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.359 I'll watch it. So I watched it a few weeks 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.359 ago with our friend Bryant, and then I watched it 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.800 two more times to prep for this episode. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.160 Well, I mean, you've got to be ready. You've got 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:38.600 to be ready because there's a lot going on in 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.840 this movie. And I'm like, kind of serious. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.159 I knew. I told you. Remember, we were like, You're like, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.240 I don't know if there's anything to say, and I 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.000 was like, there's some stuff to say, and we'll say it. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:55.200 And then I also watched Scooby Doo two two thousand 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.480 and four Monsters Unleashed. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.639 I haven't seen that movie, I don't think since it 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.000 came out out. So I'm thrilled to. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.960 Hear Jamie, what is your relationship with Scooby. 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:08.719 Oh, you know, I love it. I love it. I 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.040 love it. Maybe will not shock long time listeners of 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:14.600 the show know that I love Scooby Doo. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.680 I think that like it was maybe in like arrogant 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.800 child brain. It was maybe one of the first cartoons 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.560 I got burnt out on as a kid, because I 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.960 really loved Mainline. I mean, they would show reruns on 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.320 Cartoon Network. I'd watch them with my cousins. But it 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.960 was you know, very, very formulaic, which I think is 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.640 commented on quite brilliantly at the beginning of Scooby Doo 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.080 two thousand and two, where it's a ghostly mystery, but 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.359 also like I mean, in the deeper into Scooby canon 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.520 you got, there's a lot of kind of questions of like, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.080 in the Scooby Doo world, is magic real? Is the 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.159 supernatural force in this movie? I think it is equally 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.440 ambiguous and confusing and equally written off and dismissed. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:58.600 Which I guess is true to canon. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.320 But also it's like it's always like, oh, oh no, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.320 it's not you know, ghosts aren't real. It's just some 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:08.480 some horny old guy. Yeah, it's you know, like in 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.920 a very predictable way. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.640 And so it was like as a kid, I remember 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:13.760 loving it. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.560 And then being like, oh my god, I think I 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.600 know how every episode's going to end, and then abandoning 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:21.600 the Scooby ship for a while. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.360 I'll be honest I saw this movie in theaters. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:29.920 I remember loving it, thinking it was a little raunchy, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:36.520 really being fixated on Sarah Michelle Geller's outfits, and being 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.360 I think I've mentioned this on the show before, being 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:44.040 I like there, I didn't like practical effects. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.960 Or CG animals when I was. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.760 A kid, and I think a particularly gnarly time to 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.119 be a kid and be witnessing effects because I, with 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.560 all due respect to you know, to the Scooby Hive, 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.800 to the denizens of the Mystery Machine. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:04.119 Scooby looks busted in these movies. He freaks me out. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.920 He freaks me out, and yeah, Scooby Doo two thousand 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.040 and two. Even as a kid, I was like, this 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.640 is not this. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.679 Is not my Scooby. I don't you know, this is 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:16.360 not hashtag not my Scooby. 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:17.119 I was. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.280 I was a little freaked by the Scooby But I 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.840 loved this movie. I thought it was so funny. And 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.920 I also am just like, as a. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:31.600 Grown person interested in Scooby discourse, Scooby Dooby discourse as 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.080 we call it in the community. I'm not a part 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.359 of the community. Let maybe I just but I am 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.000 interested because I feel like there is a lot of 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:44.480 because it's been you know, as a property that's been 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:49.159 around for I believe, let me check, I did know 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.200 off the top of my head. Yeah, over half a century. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.320 These damn kids have been ripping masks off of old 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.639 guys heads. And I think that there is like a 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.480 really interesting legacy around the way that Peo fans. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.919 Have perceived these characters. I think there's a huge queer. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.160 Reading of the Scooby Doo expanded universe that is very 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.119